Joshua Freeman’s heart beats for missions. He lived in Haiti for three years, then he pastored a local church in Tulsa for a while. This year he launched his own ministry called Embark Global Ministries.

Josh’s ministry does community outreach with food distributions, street evangelism, partnering with other organizations for community events, and various types of kids’ ministry.

Questions for Josh:

What happened during your recent trip to the Dominican Republic?

What was it like to live in Haiti for three years?

What have you learned from Rod Baker and Terry Henshaw?

Website: https://embarkglobalministries.com/

Listen to the Evangelism Coach Daniel King on The Evangelism Podcast.

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Joshua Freeman’s heart beats for missions. He lived in Haiti for three years. Then he pastored a local church in Tulsa for a while. This year he launched his own ministry called Embark Global Ministries. Today, he talks about his passion for evangelism.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:16):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionary, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:52):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. They have a special guest with me, Joshua freemen. So

Joshua Freeman (01:03):
Wonderful to have you glad to be on this podcast with you today. Thank you so much for the opportunity. And so on this podcast, we talk about evangelism. We talk about people who have a heart for evangelism, and you have been involved in evangelism for many years now. Can you kind of tell me what got you started having a passion for evangelism? Yeah, actually I was 14 and I got invited to go on a mission trip. I never been on a mission trip before. And so one of my friends said that they were going to go and I said, well, I’ll try it. And sure enough they, we went on a mission trip to Mexico and as we went on that trip, I just begin to have this overwhelming desire to share the gospel with more and more people and just how real it became to me to help others find their life in Christ.

Joshua Freeman (01:53):
And so that really sparked a fire to continue to go share the gospel around the world. Where did you go in Mexico? Yeah, we went to Akuna Mexico just right off the border where we drove a bus for about 20 hours, but it was pretty awesome. Yeah. My parents were missionaries in Mexico for 20 years. We lived right across the border from El Paso, Texas, and NC that Juarez. We did lots of evangelism and what as we, we hosted dozens of groups every year. And I think we had a lot of groups from victory Christian center from here in Tulsa, Oklahoma come down and, and minister with us. Sometimes we’d take them out into the neighborhoods and do seven or eight services a day just going from neighborhood to neighborhood. And so we saw literally thousands and thousands of people give their lives to Jesus in Mexico.

Joshua Freeman (02:44):
And so you, you went on this first mission trip, you got a passion for evangelism passionate permissions. And then you went, you spent three years in the nation of Haiti. Tell me what you did while you were in Haiti. Yeah. So during our time in Haiti, we worked for victory compassion and we begin to build homes. We begin to build medical clinics. We also helped with school programs. We would go inside of the schools and we would evangelize there. We had over 20 schools allowing for us to come in and share the gospel each and every day of the week. And through that, we were able to feed those 20 schools. And also we started an IEPI there. And so we were able to begin to not only build homes, but begin to build relationships and feed and begin to minister the gospel on a daily basis.

Joshua Freeman (03:32):
Just this month, the president of Haiti was assassinated. And some of my friends who ministered there say that it’s been very difficult recently ministering in Haiti, just because of violence from different gangs. What was that like living in Haiti? Did you have to fight a lot of demons while you were there? You fought a lot of demons, for sure. You know I will say with the spiritual warfare, it was probably the toughest place. If you weren’t prayed up and ready, you know, you, you would feel the spiritual attack. There’s such a heaviness in Haiti because they’ve dedicated the island of voodoo. And so when you just go down the street, you might see a voodoo priests just out there, or you might walk into a place that you think is just safe in general, and there’s there being a sacrifice or something like that.

Joshua Freeman (04:22):
So it’s a very tough spot spiritually. So you have to really be ready. And then also with the violence, it actually has one of the largest ghettos in the world, citizen LA. And so the violence is extremely high, extremely dangerous. And so there might even be times where we wouldn’t leave the house for three days because of what they would call a manifestation. We call it a riot would happen to where they would block the streets, set fire to houses, to tires in the middle of the road. And you couldn’t go anywhere. So you, you know, when you’re in Haiti, it is a tough place to be, and it is hard and you have to continue to pray and be built up spiritually each and every day.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:03):
You have worked with Pastor Rod Baker, who he was the compassion outreach pastor at victory. And now he’s launched a church in Jenks and has a great feeding ministry there. And then you’re also working with Terry Henshaw who has a great ministry. He’s done all kinds of tremendous, uh, outreaches all over the United States and around the world. What are some of the things that you’ve learned working with pastor rod baker and pastor Terry Henshaw?

Joshua Freeman (05:36):
Yeah, I’ve been learning so much from both of them on a continual basis. First we’ll pass a ride. I personally asked him to teach me how to have more of a mercy gift and more of a generosity gift, because are two things that just ooze out of him, the gift of mercy, showing mercy in every situation and just being able to be so graceful with it and know he began to speak into my life just on how no matter what situation we walk into, we ought to show mercy and be able to be generous and loving to each and every person.

Joshua Freeman (06:08):
So those are some of the biggest takeaways I have because when you notice how Pastor Rod has built his ministry, you begin to see that, you know what, it’s from a place of compassion. It’s from a place of love. It’s a place of generosity because he has a saying that if God can get it through me, he’ll continue to get it to me. And you see that with his food ministry, that you know what something new will come in. And he’ll say, you know what? I have a friend who could use this truckload of rice in another place. And then the same thing works with Terry. Terry will get in a load of maybe it’s household goods or something else, or he does a disaster relief or a program somewhere where he begins to say, you know what? We need to make sure that we’re strategically blessing people in certain ways.

Joshua Freeman (06:50):
And so that’s what I’ve really began to learn is how to build connections. Relationships, operate in mercy and love towards everyone. So it’s really been a great time for me to be stretched and grown in so many ways because these men have been fighting the fight for years, showing love and compassion around the world. For several years, you pastored a church here in Tulsa, and one of the areas of Tulsa that needs a lot of outreach. What type of advice would you give to a pastor who wants to reach out to his campaign? Yeah, I would say first do it. Don’t hold back and go after every generation. So often we focus on maybe the older people in the church and, or the older people in the community. But I want to challenge you to go after every generation and then focus on your schools and the people in the area.

Joshua Freeman (07:47):
Because one of the things we focus on to the point where we were in all three schools in our community, almost on a daily basis, we went to the principals of schools. We went to the counselors, we begin to say, what needs do you have personally, whether it be they needed pencils, whether they be, they needed somebody just to sit in there for lunch, to talk to the kids. I want to tell you, don’t miss an opportunity to reach the kids. Don’t miss an opportunity to reach the teenagers or the adults because each and every one of those people, groups are so vitally important. So when you have the opportunity, don’t miss it. Take, take that bold step, even though it might be a little tough because you might be like, I don’t have enough time to do all these things, and it’s true.

Joshua Freeman (08:29):
Then you need to empower other people to help you and come alongside you. But you will definitely see the benefit and reap the harvest from doing it. Now this year, you have launched your own ministry, embark global ministries, and your ministry has a heart for evangelism, for training leaders for, for reaching out to the nations of the world. Tell me a little bit about what you hope to see God do through embark. Yes. Our long-term goal honestly, is to plant churches on every continent and to see those churches raised up by the leaders in those continents and begin to plant other churches. So our long-term goal is to just begin to disciple leaders, to make other leaders around the world, to the point where we begin to see the kingdom of God, BMA, manifested everywhere. And so our hope through, first of all, outreach, what that’s community base.

Joshua Freeman (09:24):
And then that’s global base is to make sure that we focus on reaching those right where they are. And even right here in Tulsa, reaching people locally. So we can make sure that they are being spiritually fed and then going around the world. And so that’s, the heart of embark is to continue to reach people each and every day, no matter where they are in their spiritual journey. And that’s what we continue to focus on and embark because every nation, the gospel is our, our main focus, sharing the gospel, every nation each and every time. Okay. Now this summer you took a team down to the Dominican Republic, and this is a very difficult time to minister because of COVID, but still you had good results down in the Dominican. Tell me some about what you did with the team and, and what type of ministry you did.

Joshua Freeman (10:15):
Yeah. So like you said, it was at the height of COVID in the Dominican Republic. With that being said, it changed a little bit of what we had planned, but God’s still opened up amazing doors. When we begin to go door to door sharing the gospel we actually had an amazing reception from people. People were actually grateful that someone had been coming to share the gospel. So every day we went door to door and then we also passed out food in the afternoon and we’ve been doing a feeding program for a number of years in the Dominican Republic where we’ll we’ll, we’ll buy like 50 bags of rice and our contact down there will help pass it out throughout the year. And so we continue to feed. And then we also had a crusade. We had a kids crusade and adults crusade, and we just did it all in the morning.

Joshua Freeman (11:02):
And so they came and we had dancers. We had some of the most popular characters, like Sonic, the hedgehog, all kinds of stuff. They came out and we even had other things like clowns. We had all kinds of great things to invite people out. And then we gave away for the adults, 50 sacks or rice, and then we gave away 20 bicycles. And so it was an amazing time. I’ll tell you personally, it was one of the most refreshing times because though so many other things were going on around us with COVID and all those things that God opened up doors for us to be able to minister to city officials. He opened up doors for us to just minister during such a crazy time right now. And so it’s been a huge, it was a huge blessing to be able to do that because I personally was kind of like, oh no, I would hate for us not to be able to share, but knowing how many people were so receptive was a huge blessing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:57):
Let’s talk about evangelism. Why do you think it is important for more people to be evangelistic? Why do you think evangelism is on God’s heart? What do you think God wants the church to do in the area of evangelism in the next a few years?

Joshua Freeman (12:14):
I’m glad you asked this question because this was on my heart. For the past few days, I love the saying that two thirds of God’s name is go. So G O God’s name is literally telling you to go. That means go into all the world, share the gospel. Don’t hesitate. Just go. So often we get afraid of going to the point where we, we stay stagnant and do nothing, but we’ve been, first of all, given the great commission. Second of all, the greatest thing we can do is go and tell people of his love. And so it’s going to take the church and that’s the body of Christ going to their neighbors, to their friends, being a light, not just physically anymore.

Joshua Freeman (12:54):
Cause a lot of people will, will be like, well, my life is going to be the example. It’s time for us. Not only to let our lives be the example, but our mouth begin to speak out God’s word and begin to allow for people to hear the love of God. Come out of your mouth. Hey, Jesus does love you. Hate Jesus cares about you because people haven’t heard that in so long from believers. Most, most believers have stayed quiet. And I believe in the next four or five, 10 years that as the body of Christ begins to rise up, we will see the next generations come to know Christ as well. Because as long as we stay silent, we are hindering their opportunity to hear about the goodness of God. And that’s not what we’re called to do. We’re called to be a light, not hide our light, but to continue to show it no matter where we are because Jesus, Hey, we all know John three 16, but I love John three 16 through 17.

Joshua Freeman (13:48):
It says for God, so loved the world that he gave. And then when you go to 17, it says he didn’t get, he didn’t do that to condemn the world. But through that, the whole world might be saved. He wanted to give an opportunity for people to come to know him. That’s the message that we have to share no matter where you are, no matter the social economic status, tell people the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ and our promise you, it will benefit them and it will change your life forever. Amen. Amen. Well, let’s finish up today by praying for those who have a heart for evangelism. Can you pray a good holy spirit full of power prayer that God was sending more evangelists out to the harvest field, the world. Yeah. Dear heavenly father, we thank you for this day. Lord, we just ask that right now.

Joshua Freeman (14:35):
You continue to empower your body of Christ, father God. They begin to rise up and father, God begin to go into all the world and preach the gospel no matter where they are, father God, that you will begin to let them know father God that they have been called for such a time as this, they have been by the guide. You will equip them each and every day. So Lord, I pray right now that you begin to speak father God, to their hearts, father, God, and you begin to aluminate their minds so that they can see, they can hear and they can move as you’ve called them to move low each and every day. Father, I pray that you do just like you did for Jeremiah. You touch their mouth father. So not they speak, but you speak through them each and every step of the way, father God, I pray that they are bold as lions each and every day.

Joshua Freeman (15:17):
Going after the loss, no matter what is said before them God that they will continue to be risen up father God and see the great commission come to fruition in their lifetime in Jesus’ mighty name. We pray. Amen. Amen. Josh, it’s wonderful to have you as a guest on the evangelism podcast. If someone wants to find out more information about your ministry or even to support you, what is your website? Yeah. Our website is embark global ministry.com. You can go there. All of our information, our PO box contact information is on there. So feel free to go check us out. Awesome. Well Josh, thank you so much. Thank you. I’m glad to be on here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:57):
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Evangelism Podcast Host (17:00):
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Garth Peterson was one of my students in Bible School. Now he has launched a multimedia live stage production that combines acting, video, and stage effects to communicate the Gospel. His goal is to reach a sight and sound generation in a relevant way with an unchanging message.

Questions for Garth Peterson: 

Tell us about your theater production based on the “Parable of the Sower” told by Jesus in three of the four Gospels.

What does it mean to reach a changing world with an unchanging message?

About Four the Production: 

Four is a multimedia live stage performance that combines acting, video, and stage effects to produce a sight and sound experience like no other. Four is more than a performance, it is an experience that leads to an encounter!

Four communicates through drama performance the Gospel of Jesus Christ in a relevant, unique, and engaging way. Being relevant in our methods but unchanging in the message of the Bible.

Website: http://www.seehearandbelieveproductions.com/

Book: The War Within

Listen to The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelism Coach Daniel King.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Garth Peterson was one of my students in Bible school. Now he’s launched a multimedia live stage production that combines acting video and stage effects to communicate the gospel. His goal is to reach a sight and sound generation in a relevant way with an on changing message.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:21):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism podcast.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:59):
I’m Daniel King and I am excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a special guest with me, Garth Peterson. He’s been a friend for a long time. I think we originally met in the evangelism class. I was teaching at victory college and you were one of the students and you have a great heart for evangelism, Garth. Thank you for being with me today. Absolutely.

Garth Peterson (01:24):
Thank you for inviting me. It’s a privilege.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:26):
So what are some of the things that you have done in the area of evangelism? You were agnostic and then you came to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. How did that happen in your life?

Garth Peterson (01:42):
I grew up in California and my parents were divorced when we were, when I was five. And so my mom, she kind of has a Buddhist philosophy, religion type thing going on, but we really didn’t have anything. We didn’t believe in anything. You know, Christmas was about Santa’s Easter was about Easter bunny. I didn’t even know till way later in life that that had anything to do with Jesus. And so I just grew up really believing in nothing. You know, I had friends that were Catholic because I hung around with highly Hispanic group of people in California. And but I didn’t really believe. I mean, I knew there was something else, but I had no idea. And when I was 22 years old, my dad had remarried and his wife came and visited us and she shared the gospel with me for the first time in my life and told me about Jesus dying on the cross and being raised from the dead.

Garth Peterson (02:25):
And it, if I would say this prayer, I wouldn’t go to hell, I’d go to heaven. And I remember thinking, what if she’s right? What if that’s real? You know, I had seen little glimpses of things on TV and you know, I’d had a police officer witness to me once. And so I said, what am I got to lose? And I must we’ll cover that base. And I prayed with her and she gave me my first Bible. And I’m so thankful for her doing that. She planted a seed in me, but, and I believe the information in my head somewhat, you know, but it didn’t bring any change to my life. And so life went back to his usual and I was into a lot of bad stuff, dealing drugs and doing drugs. And, and after a few years of my wife and I split and then having some terrible times we got back together, decided to get out of California.

Garth Peterson (03:10):
So we moved here and my dad and the lady that witnessed to me lived here in Oklahoma. And so for we moved here and tried to start a new life and I tried to clean up and be free from drugs and all those things and be a good dad and my kids, which I hadn’t been in the past. And we started going to church and three years we went to church and I bought another Bible and started reading it and got baptized. All those things. You know, it was a country church in a little town. And in 2001, my wife’s friend invited her to an event and it was a heaven’s gate and hell’s flames. And what I didn’t know is that she went to that event and that night she gave her life to Jesus. Well, she had been going to church too, but she’d just been going because I was basically making her go, you know, she was cause I was her husband.

Garth Peterson (03:55):
She was just doing what I did, but that changed her life. And she brought me the next night and the next night I was there I gave my life to Jesus and it radically transformed me. You know, there’s a scripture that got inside of me in Matthew seven, where Jesus said, all these people will come to me and say, Lord Lord. And he’ll say, I never knew you. And that night I had this revelation that I knew about Jesus in my head, but I had never surrendered to him in my heart. And the man that spoke that night at the end of the performance, you know, said, you know, you’ve got to give everything to God. He gave every Jesus, gave everything for you at the cross. And when you come to the cross, you’ve got to give everything to him. You can’t just know about him, you’ve got to know him.

Garth Peterson (04:37):
And in that moment I realized, I just didn’t really know God. I just knew about him. And that night changed my life forever. When that happened, everything in my life changed. I went back to church the next week and I thought, what in the world are we doing here? We come here two times a week and sit in this room and sing songs and listen to preaching. But we’re not doing anything to affect all the people out there. And they’re heading towards hell, just like I was. And they have no desire to come in here. Just like I didn’t. So how do we reach them? And that’s how it began. And which I was considered radical. I mean, I felt so out of place, Daniel, it was like I just couldn’t understand people if we really loved people, like we said, we did, and we really love Jesus.

Garth Peterson (05:24):
Why wouldn’t we do what he said? I mean, we can’t save people. We can at least tell them. And that’s when my journey began. And it was like almost immediate. I mean, after that day, w when, when my heart changed, my life completely changed as high notes, real cause nothing in this world can do that to somebody. And I just began to see the value of people and that were eternal and that we have in eternity that will spend forever. And and, and it’s grown from that time on, you know, I know some people received Jesus and get real excited and run for him. And, and I, I, I did, but I was, it just kinda grew. It never stopped, you know, and I’m thankful for that. And so through that, God has led us from step to step, to step in different areas, you know, and just trying to do what we knew to do to reach people. Yeah. Wow.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:13):
That’s tremendous. I think it’s really interesting that, that you got saved at a production of hell’s gate or heaven’s gates, hell’s flames, a live production that graphically presents the choice between heaven and hell, what will happen in eternity. And it’s interesting that you, you got saved that because then I think people often, they want to do ministry in the same type of arena that they got saved. And like people who got saved at a crusade, they often like to go do and preach crusades. Cause that’s how they got saved. Or if someone got saved, because someone knocked on their door and talked to them, then, then that’s what they do. And, and so you took that experience in, and you put together a live theatrical stage production called for, can you tell me what the name for means and what that production was all about? Sure.

Garth Peterson (07:09):
Before I do that though, I’ll just let you know, I had no intention of starting any productions doing any multimedia stuff that is, I’ve never been a movie production stage, any of those things. I mean, I’ve done music in the past, but that was so foreign to me. And I had just because I got saved through a production, I never had the vision to use a production to save others. I just had the, the, the vision to reach people with the gospel. However, that was, and actually the, the vision of that came is a, you know, a few years after I had given my life to Jesus and opportunity came for a youth pastor position. And I, I took it and this little Methodist church, and when I was writing messages or trying to write messages this download, I had, it was originally called the last day or a last day.

Garth Peterson (07:56):
It was just like, I was trying to write messages. And all of a sudden I just wrote this thing that was like seven, eight pages long. And I thought this isn’t a message. You know, what the heck do I do with this thing? And so I tried to turn it into a message and I think I’d probably attempted that a few times with the youth, but it just sat and it didn’t really go anywhere. And then in 2008, I was going to one day a week on Mondays or two days a week, Mondays and Tuesdays to victory Bible college. And this man named Tom Newman came in and spoke at our chapel and he spoke about his salvation, how he came to Christ and about how God had put this thing in his heart from this book, he had read gates of splendor and how he had had that in his heart for years, and then shared it one day at a meeting and a guy named Mr.

Garth Peterson (08:46):
Green heard the vision. And they came together and it produced a movie called the end of the spear. And then he said, these words, he said you can’t trick your heart. You must be a determiner of your heart. He said for you know, problems for 23, you know, for whatever has your heart basically has your life from, you know, guard your heart above all else for out of it comes to issues of life. And then he said this, he said, if God puts something in your heart, it won’t leave you, it will remain. And that means you’re supposed to do something with it in a moment. He said that it was like, boom. And I thought, man, that thing I wrote all that time back because that’s supposed to be a movie or what’s that supposed to be. And that’s how it came. And after I went to that chapel, I went back home and I went looking for it. Cause I had no idea what I had done with it. And I found it and I pick it back up and I started writing it and that turned into four. So the basis of four is four is the parable of the sower brought into modern day times. The story is about five teenagers. Four of whom are the foregrounds, you know, the, the hard ground.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:50):
Yeah. It’s the, the parable that Jesus told the parable of the sower about the four different grounds. Correct.

Garth Peterson (09:56):
And so each of these four young people are those four grounds and the fifth one is a witness. And so and her name’s Casey. And so she witnesses she knows they all go to school together. They all live in the same town and sheet note. They all know each other. And so you should get to see their lives in the earth, but then once they step into eternity through an accident, they all die. At the same time they stand before God, she witnesses them standing before God. And what each one of those hearts or grounds looks like as they stand before God. And, and one of them is a, is kind of like I was done, believe anything, thinks God’s, whatever. It’s just a bunch of, you know, nothing. The second one goes to church, but gets persecuted and falls away, you know?

Garth Peterson (10:39):
And the third one is the pastor’s daughter. Who’s the thorny ground who, who acts like she loves Jesus in front of everybody, but really loves the world. And the fifth one is the good ground. And so you get to see what that looks like eternally. And the, the production is a big production. It’s about an hour, hour, 15 minutes long. And it made a great impact everywhere we went, you know, not only for those to coming to Christ, but but for believers because it gave them that view of man one day, I’m going to stand before God, you know,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:08):
You took this production to different churches here in rural Oklahoma, just going anywhere that would have you on it’s a lot of work putting on a production. What are some of the testimonies that came out of that? Did some people get saved? Yeah. Well,

Garth Peterson (11:24):
The thing of it was we didn’t, you know, everything was a learning experience. So the first ones I did or the first ones we did we gave an invitation, but we didn’t like call people forward and we didn’t count numbers or any of that. So I had no idea on the first three performances, how many people gave their lives to Jesus. But we did 11 performances, 12 performances, total 11 plus the first one we did was like our icebreaker just to be able to do it. And there were 120 that we had actually confirmed people that were salvations. Now, there were more than that, but we don’t, you know, I can’t say that because of the only ones I know about, but the thing that, what it was is it, four is a really, you know, everything we do with the gospel is a seed.

Garth Peterson (12:06):
And we really believe in the power of that seed, just like the power of the, you know, the, the parable of the message of the soul or the parable of the sower. You know, Jesus says that’s basically the most powerful parable he tells. He says, if you don’t understand this parable, how will you understand any of the parables? So the gospel is that seed that we plant. And so we don’t get to choose how that produces, you know, that’s, that’s due to the that’s because of the soil of the person’s heart and also the power of God in that message. But we would hear testimonies afterwards, you know, people that went to, came to church and said, you know, I went to that performance and is that real? Are we really going to stand before God like that? And I would hear about other people leading them to Jesus and about how their life changed.

Garth Peterson (12:48):
The last performance we did, there was a girl there and she didn’t come forward, but she was in the youth group. And I guess later on, she came and talked to the pastor and the pastor said that thing radically changed her life. She’s not even the same person anymore. So, you know, we have those confirmed numbers, which is kind of strange that it’s 120, you know, when he, when he kind of mirrored that to acts, you know, there’s 120 in that upper room, but that was the, that was the end result of actual numbers that we, that we recorded. Yeah. You

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:17):
Mentioned Tom Newman many years ago, he had toymakers dream, which was a theatrical production that he took all over the United States and around the world. That was a, a great depiction of the gospel in a visual form. And Tom Newman. He always talks about the importance of reaching a sight and sound generation. This generation spends so much time on their phone. So much time watching television. So much communication comes through the videos that they watch on Netflix and on Disney plus, and the church. Sometimes it’s still stuck with just someone standing in a pulpit in preaching. And in order to reach a sight and sound generation, we need more than just words that worked great back in the 18 hundreds. But I think we need to tell stories, communicate stories through film and your theatrical production did such a good job of that, of communicating the gospel in a visual way. And so I think it’s just tremendous. I think more people need to think about doing this kind of thing of, of reaching people through arts, through theater, through telling stories, stories are such an important way of communicating the gospel. Jesus was always telling stories. I think we should tell more stories. I agree.

Garth Peterson (14:49):
And you know, I didn’t know Tom Newman did that toymakers dream or any of that stuff. When I heard him speak, I mean, he may have mentioned it that day when we heard him in chapel, but I didn’t know that till after the fact. And then I went back and looked at that, you know, after we started everything and how he used like music that was culturally relevant. Cause see, that’s the thing about the church. We’re not always culturally irrelevant and you know, we need to change our methods without changing the method. And it’s funny, you should say that about seeing and hearing and believing because that’s the name of our production. Our ministry is see, hear and believe productions. And we got that from Jesus when he said, you know what, their eyes that they would see, what areas that they would hear and what their hearts said would turn and be healed.

Garth Peterson (15:26):
Well, they would believe, and he’s quoting from Isaiah. Right. And that’s actually tied to the parable of the sower. So yeah, Tom’s he was he was innovator in all of that. You know, when I heard that he was using like, when they first started toy makers dream, which was just a little street play and they used pink Floyd and they used all these rock music that the church was probably gasping at, you know, but that was reaching the people that it that the church wasn’t reaching, you know, and it’s like the church that we go to to reach people that no one’s reaching, you got to do things that no one’s doing. And so, yeah, Daniel you’re right on with that. I totally 100% agree with that, that we live in a sight and sound generation more than now, than any day in the history of our world. And we need to use what we have to be a bridge to bring the gospel to people because the gospel is the power of God into salvation. So, you know, the boring thing though about that is not changing the message as we do it, you know, being truthful and be doing it with the right with the right motive, with the right why behind our, what it should be love and everything that we do. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:30):
I want to congratulate you because you have a brand new book that is hot off the press. And I remember about a year ago, you and I were talking, you shared that you wanted to write a book and you’re asking me some questions about how to do it and how to do the cover and stuff. And, and so I was able to coach you a little bit through that process, but the, the book is just beautiful. You’ve got a beautiful cover. It’s called the war within. Tell me a little bit about this book and, and what people can learn from it.

Garth Peterson (17:01):
Yeah. The book is actually the greatest where we face is not one without, from the outside of us as a believer. It’s the one from the inside of us. We have outside influence, but it’s our inside response and choice to the things that take place that determine the course of our life. And it goes back to what what Mr. Newman said in, in that, that meeting, which is a core scripture for me, Proverbs 4 23, you know, out of, out of your heart, comes your life, you know, guard your heart above all else for your, it determines the course of your life as a new living translation of that verse. And that’s really what the book is about. Whatever has your heart has your life. You know, our war that we go through as a believer is in our mind, but what affects our heart is determines how we live.

Garth Peterson (17:41):
You know, it’s not just what we think, which are what we think is important, because what we think does determine what we do, but it’s really what has our heart has our life. And a lot of this book came out from the production, you know I had I started to ride in inner gain. It started as a message and for preaching somewhere and it just kind of blew up. And I immediately knew that I was supposed to write this book and I thought, God, I’m, I’m not an author. I was terrible. I flunked English in school. I mean, we we’d write a book. I don’t know what, you know, how am I supposed to do this? I have no

Garth Peterson (18:10):
Clue, but I had no clue how to do that, the production or the filming or the stage stuff. And so you know, God gives you a grace to do what he’s called you to do because there’s people on the other side of that. And so the premise is really that, and it really says it here in a subtitle, you know, the battle is fought in the mine, but the war is won or lost in the heart. So that’s the premise of the book. And it’s just to help people help believers, you know, gain victory in our lives as are walking through things. You know, when we went through the production of four, I mean, it was it was a battle. It was it was very difficult and it was, but it was a very good growing time for, for me and for the people that were in it.

Garth Peterson (18:51):
I mean, the kids, we had all teenage staff actors, you know, so you can imagine a group of teenagers trying to keep them together, trying to keep a schedule and train them how to act. And, and they were, they were so anointed. I’m so grateful for God sending those them into our lives, you know, and the people that worked with us at the time who helped train them, it was just the whole thing was a God thing. But it was, it was it was a battle, you know, and anytime you’re going into that place where the enemy has a has a hold in people’s lives and you’re bringing them out of the kingdom of darkness and helping them to come into the kingdom of light, you know, you’re facing opposition. So, but the, but the battle we’re facing is really not against Satan himself.

Garth Peterson (19:37):
You know, people are always saying, oh, the devils done got me. The devil did this to me, you know, and I would hear that all the time. And I think, well, for one, the devil’s just one dude. He’s not like, God, he’s not [inaudible]. He can only be in one place at one time, he has no power or authority over any believer because he’s already been defeated through what Jesus did through his death and resurrection. So we’re living in victory and we’re actually coming from a place of victory. We’re not trying to gain it. We already have it. And so that’s the other premise of the book that we’re coming from victory. And so we need to, we need to know that as we’re walking into those situations, you know, against the forces of darkness, that, you know, our authority, who we are, identity is a core part of the book too, and what we have and what we can do to accomplish the goal and mission that God has for our lives.

Garth Peterson (20:23):
The one that Jesus died for us to, to accomplish here in this world. And it’s I hope it inspires people and I hope it, it also leads people to salvation, you know, like Daniel, anything we do, if just one person, you know, if this book took a year and a half to write, and it was just a big growing experience as well. And I’m so thankful for your help, you’re such a help to me and a inspiration to me, you know, I’ve read several your books probably eight of them. And every one of them has inspired me, you know, and also use those as a blueprint. When I was writing my books, I’ve seen how, how it was laid out or how I could do this or that, you know, so I’m very grateful. But if this book, if it, you know, a year and a half, but if, if one person, I mean, one soul comes into the kingdom as a result of that too. It’s, it’s, it’s worth it, make it, how can you put a value on, on a soul you can, and I’m like, you don’t want to see millions. And I want to see all 8 billion souls in the world come to Jesus and God does too that’s as well. But, you know, we get to do our part, you know, we, we do what we can and he does what we can’t. And so so that hopefully that’s descriptive enough on the premise of the book and that it, it touches

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:33):
Well, I love your passion for souls. You have a true evangelistic heart. Even now your, your eyes are tearing up a little bit, just thinking about all the lost souls. Let’s finish with a word of prayer for people in our city and our state or country to be saved. Would you lead us in prayer? Absolutely.

Garth Peterson (21:54):
Father. We just come in the power of agreement in the name of Jesus. And we release faith today, father, for the people in this world, every person that you place such incredible value upon that you came to earth. And did you gave your life on a cross and was raised from the dead father. We pray right now that people would hear that message. We pray for opportunity to be bridges to people in this world, the people around us, not only in this city, but in our country and in the nations of the world. We thank you that there’s nothing impossible with you that is according to our faith. And so Daniel and I, and those that are listening today, we released faith today for the salvation of every man, woman, boy, and girl on the face of this earth, that they would come to know you, to know your love and to know your life living on the inside of them. We pray against those strongholds and principalities and that, that deadly religion that would try to hold people in captivity. And we release faith today for the power of Jesus and the lives of those people, especially those right now that are listening to this podcast. We thank you for what you have done and for what you will do and what you’re going to do. And Jesus, we know you’re coming back soon. And so we’re grateful and we pray this in your name. Jesus. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:59):
Amen. Well, thank you Garth, for being on the evangelism podcast. It’s great to have you here. Absolutely. Thank you, Daniel. I appreciate it. Thanks for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

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When Philip Renner was six years old, his father Rick Renner became a missionary to the former Soviet Union. Philip grew up in Russia and God used his musical talent to reach hundreds of churches and thousands of people. Now God has given Philip a burden for America and so he is using his music as an  evangelistic tool to change hearts in the biggest cities in America.

About Philip Renner: Philip Renner is a missionary, author, worship leader, speaker, revivalist, recording artist,
and songwriter. He has been used by God in Russia and in America.

Questions:

What is God doing in Russia right now?

What is the connection between worship and evangelism?

How is God using worship meetings to change the atmosphere in American cities?

Website: https://www.philiprenner.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PhilipRennerMinistries/ 

Listen to The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelism Coach Daniel King.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
When Philip Renner was six years old, his father, Rick Renner became a missionary to the former Soviet union. Phillip grew up in Russia and God used his musical talent to reach hundreds of churches and thousands of people. Now, God has given Philip a burden for America, and he is using his music as an evangelistic tool to change hearts in the biggest cities in America.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:26):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:03):
The evangelism podcast on Daniel King. And I’m excited about leading people to Jesus today. I have a special guest Philip Renner. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Philip Renner (01:13):
I’m so excited to be here. It’s so awesome.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:17):
Well, I’m delighted to talk to you because your father has been one of my heroes ever since I was in college at oral Roberts university, your father pastor Rick Renner. I was listening to some tapes in the holy spirit library at ORU. And I heard him teach on some revelation he had from the Greek language. And it really caught my attention because all the preachers that I heard always talking about the Greek language would say, you know, the word dunemas means power and that’s all that they knew, but your father really knew about Greek. And so I found out he was in Tulsa and I called him and, and went over and met with your father. And he gave me so tremendous resources for studying Greek. And of course your, your father has been a missionary in Russia for many years. How old were you when you first went to the former Soviet union?

Philip Renner (02:16):
I was six years old.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:18):
And what was that like growing up in Latvia and then Russia?

Philip Renner (02:23):
Well, I think the most interesting moment is that dad really didn’t want to move. And he was trying to find somebody who would say, it’s not God’s will. So we talked to his pastor and he said, the pastor said, oh, that is God’s. Well, that sounds awesome. They need your teaching. And he was trying to find somebody. So he talked to my mom who was having a nightmares at the time that the KGB were chasing her through the night and she would be running down the street and then she would jump into a trash. And then as they would open up the lid of the trashcan that KGB had found her and she would wake up, she was having those kinds of dreams. And she said, oh, that sounds like Godspell. But he was trying to find somebody who would say no. And so he sat us all three down and he said, okay, God is calling us to the former Soviet union.

Philip Renner (03:25):
And it’s very possible that we move over there and you all become orphans. Me and your mom are killed for the gospel. You’ll never go back to America. You can forget about it, who your, who your grandma is and forget about everything because we could be killed. Do you understand? And we’re like, yes, daddy, we understand, we didn’t understand the former Soviet union. I mean, I’m six years old. My, my other brother is turning three and Paul is eight. So Joel is two and Paul is eight and I’m six. And so we don’t know what the former Soviet union is, but he said, what do you think? And I said, dad, well, if if you’re going to do something for the Lord, you know, if we’re going to die, we might as well die for Jesus. And he was like, oh, no, it’s happening.

Philip Renner (04:14):
So we moved. And I remember there was there was nothing I remember. I remember standing in line for food and because there was no food. I remember everything being gray purple or black. So there was no color in anything. A blue shirt would be, you know, non-existent all this stuff. Remember how cold it was, but also remember the miracles when dad started the ministry and he started the TV program and the TV program, it was really funny because it was just like the setting of we’re here right now, except the microphone was in it was in a plant and you would speak into the plant. And those first programs were horrible, but they did the job. And I remember going to the stadium and seeing the miracles and seeing how God was really moving. And then dad started the church and then unraveled. And it’s, you know, 25 years later. And,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:23):
And now your family has had a tremendous impact all over the former Soviet union. And your, your family is very well-known in ministry over there. And you actually grew up loving the Russian people, loving music and participated in a program where they were searching for the next music star. And you won and you are offered a recording contract, but you turned it down. Why did you return it, turned it down.

Philip Renner (05:54):
I turned it down because the Lord told me better and different three words that completely transformed my life. He said later, because you’re not ready for that platform right now. You’re not ready spiritually. You’re not ready. You would break in the Russian show business and better. Cause I’ve got a better plan at different because it’s going to be wild. And it’s not what you imagined. Those three words later, a better and different transformed my life that day. And I said, okay, Lord, which at that time, I really wasn’t on fire for the Lord. If I had signed the contract, I would have basically been saying goodbye to my Christian life and being controlled by the Russian show business and become the next star. But that wasn’t God’s plan. But the amazing thing is he said, I’ll still bring you these people. And so through a course of events that happened, I said no to all of that.

Philip Renner (06:57):
And I actually stopped doing music for about three years because I told the Lord, you know, this is an idol for me. I’m not going back. I’m going to Bible school. I am going to delete music from my life because music is so it’s an idol. And so I’m going to Bible school and I’m going to be focused on you, really rededicate my life. And it’s amazing that the things that you say no to the idols that you say no to when you change your motive, God has a way of resurrecting them back because now you’re ready for it. And it was a couple of years later that I actually started writing music for the MTV artists of, of Russia. And even now I’m writing music and for one of the biggest artists of Russia right now.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:49):
And so God opened up the door for you to minister tremendously through music in Russia. What were some of the things that you were able to impart in the area of music to the church in Russia?

Philip Renner (08:07):
Well, I think that something that’s important to establish is in America, you have a new worship song from hundreds of different artists coming out every single week. Well, in Russia at that time, there was nothing. There’s a lot of animalistic stuff that was coming out, but there was nothing that was available as far as worship. Everybody was doing a copy of what Hillsong did or, you know, all the, all the artists in America or abroad, planet shakers all those guys, Chris Tomlin. So they’re just translating everything that they do and then re recording it. And I said, God, I don’t like this. I don’t want to sing under the cover. I want to release the sound of Russia. And I beginning asking him, Lord impart into me the sound of Russia. And we recorded an album and released it. And it went viral pretty much overnight.

Philip Renner (09:11):
And it became the first album in about 15 years that had been released of original worship music. And I had said, Lord, I’m ready to start traveling. But I thought maybe it would be once a week while it turned into nine months out of the year very quickly. And it kind of reminded me, you better be careful how you ask God to use you because he will. And then it’s kind of shocking. Then you say goodbye to your wife for nine months. But that’s the way it happened. And we saw miracles. We saw demons cast out. We saw the supernatural happen. We saw, you know, mosh pit worship where people were just there’s such an expression of joy and freedom. And then, you know, 30 minutes later, they’re all on their knees because the presence of God is so strong and you don’t even want music because you just want silence. You know, that even to play a sound at that moment would maybe even interrupt what God is saying, because God is speaking to the people at that time. And so yeah, it’s been, it’s been powerful and that has released a, a sound and a movement of worship all over Russia. And when I say rush, I mean the 15 republics or nations that surround Russia

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:36):
And you really love Russia. You, you grew up speaking Russian, you’re married to a Russian wife. Your kids speak Russian, but just a couple of years ago, God really sent you from Russia back here to America as missionaries, because God wants to do something here in America. Talk me through that process. Why, why did you come back from Russia? You you’ve got tremendous open doors all over Russia, speaking in churches ministering. Why did you come back here to America?

Philip Renner (11:13):
Well, I read God’s generals and as I read God’s generals, I realized that America has been sending out missionaries for the last 200 years, all over the world. And my Russian friends at the time, bishops that have, you know, hundreds of churches underneath them have been saying, Philip, we need you in Russia. If you ever think about going somewhere don’t don’t and especially America, because America is doomed, there’s going to be no revival in America. Nothing is going to happen in America. Stay here in Russia. And I began talking to them and saying, wait a minute, wait a minute. What you are saying does not make sense spiritually. I respect you a Bishop, but how were you saved? And they said, well, an American came over preached to us and it started a movement we got saved. So the Bible says you reap what you sell.

Philip Renner (12:08):
So if America sewed into Russia into the surrounding nations for 200 years, that America is about to reap a harvest that is going to blow, you know, blow our socks off. It’s going to be amazing. And I remember thinking to myself, I want to be a part of that. And the Lord told me, he said, there are two nations in you. And the older will serve the younger. And I knew that the Russian in me, cause I lived there for 25 years would come back that I wouldn’t come back as someone who was trying to look for a better life or, or a different climate to live in, or, you know, running away from Russia because of persecution or there’s no persecution in Russia, but I’m just creating different scenarios of what people think. And that’s what the Lord said to me. He said, the older nation in you will serve the younger.

Philip Renner (13:07):
And so we moved here with our family and the first three years was a little weird because I thought that it would be very well accepted here in America because I’m very well accepted in Russia. And the Lord really took me through some humility, but I really, it had to start from zero all over again. But God really taught me. It’s not, it’s not what you do. It’s who you carry. And he loves you. Not because of the songs that you released, not because of the healings that happened through your ministry, not because of your plans. He loves you just because of who you are. And it was like going through a desert. I came back and it was, it was weird because I still went to Russia all the time. I went to Kazakhstan, I went to Belarus. I went to all these nations surrounding Russia, Ukraine.

Philip Renner (14:01):
I went to all these places, but even people from Russia would say, okay, fellows. So you say, you ha you got a word from God, right? But you’re still just going back to Russia. Why aren’t people in America calling you to minister? And I would say, I don’t know, but I know I have a word from the Lord. And I think it was just a process of dying to myself. But to really minister, you have to die to yourself. You have to die to your dreams. Because when I moved here, I just thought myself, man, it’s just going to be instant. I’m going to be the next big thing. And then God put me through this desert. She, because I’m humble. It was a lot of and breaking on the inside of me. And it’s like God, I don’t care if I’m the next, the next big thing.

Philip Renner (14:56):
I really don’t care about gout going to the biggest church. I don’t really don’t even care if my name is on a flyer or not. I don’t want my name on a flyer. I want your name on the flyer. And I want God to be glorified in the center of cities and shift the atmosphere. And so once that orphan mentality was, it was about the time that COVID hit. And the Lord taught me that there is a sound in America that is very different from Russia, which I came here with the Russian sign thinking, oh, I’m going to cause people to love the Russian sound and teach them that the American sound is not right. But God said, I’ve brought you to Tulsa to teach you the American sound. And I really began to adapt that sound. I hated it when I moved here. I mean, I think this is, this is horrible.

Philip Renner (15:51):
But then the Lord began to, to work in me and change me. So there’s an American sound here and it’s not the Russian sound and you must learn the American sound. And so that was why I moved to Tulsa and I was a pastor or worship pastor here millennial church. And that was where I, I learned the American sound and I’m very grateful for that. And but when I learned that sound that was about when COVID hit. And that’s when the Lord said, it’s time to start your restart your ministry in America. And I said, Lord, this is really weird because all the churches are shut as a traveling evangelist as a minister. I mean, how am I going to preach to people? If all the churches are shut, you’re breaking my whole idea of ministry because my idea of ministry is go to a church preach and get people saved in the church.

Philip Renner (16:53):
But if all the churches are closed, how do you do ministry? And he began to show me Phillip, it’s time to go and shift the atmosphere. And I really didn’t know what that meant, but I remember one night, which it didn’t start from that night actually started from Tulsa, Oklahoma. He said go to Guthrie green. And it was the middle of the day. It was a hundred degrees outside. And he said, go to Guthrie green and begin to shift. The atmosphere, began to prophetically speak and shift what has been said over a downtown. And I didn’t really understand that except that Lamar Boschman it was really become very dear to me said that the prophets in the old Testament, they would go to a place. And if it was a school of profits back then, it wasn’t just a school of profits. It was school of musicians and they had the right and they were taught to either speak over a specific geographic location or to sing over that geographic location.

Philip Renner (18:06):
And they would literally shift the landscape and shift the atmosphere. And so I did it in Guthrie green, and I said, Lord, what will that, what does that look like? And it wasn’t long after that, that I really had an encounter with the Lord. And that was when he said, it’s time for you to pray. You have to go and pray. And I felt like, like I don’t know, like 300 pounds had been dropped on my chest and I could not move until I began to pray and begin praying in the spirit. And it was instant. One second, you’re in the holy of Holies and there you’re crying and you’re crying. You don’t know what’s going on. And it’s just, just an immediate encounter with God. And I said, Lord, what is this? And he’ll say, he said, you don’t know yet, but before you go to bed, you’ll know.

Philip Renner (18:59):
So I went to bed and I opened up my phone and I see the notifications and I see Chicago and fire. And he said to me, I want you to go to Chicago and shift the atmosphere downtown the center of the Chicago, the heart of Chicago, that’s where you’re supposed to go. So me and another evangelist, Brian McKnight, we got together and we did Chicago. It was in the middle of three riots, a daily Plaza, which I didn’t know was right next to city hall. And, and it was amazing because we saw stateness, that would try to cross the street to curse us, but they couldn’t because we had literally taken communion. And when we took communion, it was like a shield of favor that surrounded us. The interesting thing is, is there was nothing physically that could have stopped them to cross the street and curse us nothing, but they would come halfway across the street and then go back halfway across the street and then go back because they couldn’t get past the spiritual bloodline that had been established because we had taken communion and done a, you know, a walk of prayer in and said, we’re going to establish a bloodline around this place, but we could cross the street to preach to them.

Philip Renner (20:20):
And it was amazing. But then there was another group, about 600 people, because I said, this was in between three riots that were supposed to come through us. And and they were surrounded with about 300 different different policemen, all using crowd control to try to stop them from doing what they were doing. And they got within about maybe 50, 60 feet of our event. They just freaked out and they could not pass. They could not pass. And they went the other direction and it was that shield of favor. And the Lord showed me, he said, Philip, when you bring worship to the center of the city, true worship, then, then you bring confusion in the enemy’s camp, which is what happened with Gideon. The shout of the Lord, you know, the breaking of the vessels with fire coming out, which is us. Then the confusion came in the enemy’s camp. And since then we’ve done about 13 cities, including Sacramento, the Capitol. And it’s just been phenomenal to see the healings, to see the shifting of the atmosphere. Something that’s very close to me. As, you know, some places you go and you think there’s going to be thousands, or you think that there’s going to be hundreds, but God didn’t call you to hundreds. God called you maybe to one, you

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:00):
Have been shifting the atmosphere in different cities. Talk to me about some of the places that you’ve.

Philip Renner (22:07):
So some places you go to thousands and sometimes you minister to the one, that’s something that’s very close to me. And especially if you’re an evangelist, you know, sometimes it’s like, I want to see the thousands, but sometimes God didn’t call you to thousands. Sometimes he called you to the one and the Lord told me after 10 people were killed in king Sooper in Boulder, Colorado. He said, Phillip, I need you to go. And I need you to shift the atmosphere from that place. And it was about 10, 10 days later we came and it was just, wasn’t a big setup with a ton of musicians. It was just, just one speaker and an acoustic and singing over the atmosphere. And it was really interesting cause I planned one day and then the Lord shifted it to another day. And I, I didn’t even call churches together.

Philip Renner (22:58):
Really. I just called a couple of friends. I think this is really important. I don’t want to make a big deal out of it, but this is important. And as we were playing, there was a young man who came up and he came there to lash his anger towards God because he knew one of the people that was killed in king Sooper that day. And so he came to say, God, why did you do this? Why did you let this happen? Why, why was my friend killed in that supermarket that day? And so he came to basically yell at God. And when he got there, he heard worship and his heart was broken and he said, God, I repent. God, I love you. God you’ve encountered. And sometimes you go after the one. And so that’s something that I hold dear to my heart because because we can’t forget about the one we can’t forget about you know, life being just, oh, we got to do this event. And that event, that event if you’re a true Vangelis, if you’re an evangelist, then you carry what is on you 24 7. And it could happen at a coffee shop or it could happen at a quick trip. You don’t live your life from a big event, but you live your life from a place of God. Use me wherever I am to go after the one.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:34):
Let’s talk about the link between worship and evangelism. You go into different places often, right? In the center of a state in front of the, the state house or in front of the, the city courthouse. You get a permit. If you can, if you can’t get a permit, you still go and you begin to worship to sing. And then you also evangelize what is that link between worship and evangelists?

Philip Renner (25:05):
Well, in DC, this is, this is how it worked is the Lord told me, he said, you need to get musicians together to shift the atmosphere. But as people gather, you need to, you need to know how to fish. So worship and the sound, the shifts, the atmosphere is the bait. But then, you know, you got to know how to fish. You gotta bring in the line to catch that fish. And so I believe that when you bring worship to the center of a city, you establish the government of God in that city, which is why it’s so important to go to the stronghold of that city, because you’re saying, okay, I’m reclaiming this place because this place has God’s place, which is something that was very important that you talked about here in Tulsa that I didn’t know about the Guthrie. Green was actually a place where that God broke out a hundred years ago, there was like a Pentecost.

Philip Renner (26:04):
And the first church was established there at Guthrie green. And so that’s an important place for God. And it’s also the center of authority in Tulsa, but you go to that place and you establish the government of God. And so you do this, and then you have evangelists that are around you that are watching who’s, who’s taking out their phones or who’s stopping to listen. And as they’re stopping to listen, you go up to them. You pray for them. You speak to them, you pray for healing. You ask the Lord what are the words of knowledge that could have right now to speak to this person? And you really do what God has called you to do. So that’s how the worship and the evangelism, how they linked together and the prophetic,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:54):
The next city you’re hoping to go to is

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Boulder, Colorado.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:59):
And then in the future, God’s given you some, some big ideas. What are some of the things that you think that God wants to do here in America?

Philip Renner (27:09):
Honestly, I’m kind of waiting on the Lord on the next big idea, but there are cities that God says, okay, it’s time to go here. Was a worship school that I want to want to do because we are to equip people. I want to equip people to do this. I mean, I’ve been thinking about what would it look like if I took 10 crazy, crazy worship leaders and, and took him to a bar and said, I want you to lead this worship song in that bar. And then you have a couple of evangelists there that are ready to pray for people, ask people, does anybody need a healing who is dealing with this in their life right now? And just have the presence of God just overpower somebody in that place. Which is something we kind of saw in Tulsa at the gay bar, which was really cool. But yeah. Tell me about that.

Philip Renner (28:07):
It was it was at Guthrie green, which is so, so conniving and evil, that a place where a place where the first church was established, a move of God was established. There’s no church there now, but now there’s a gay bar right across the street. So the enemy wants that place. He doesn’t want a church to be there. He doesn’t want the influence of God to be there. But the Lord just said, go into the gay bar and begin to preach. And I wish I could say that there were miracles and that people got saved, but sometimes it’s not about you know, people getting saved immediately. But I knew it was specifically about the guy who was greeting people because he was a Christian. I believe that he was a pastor’s son and he had been hurt by the church and what God wanted to do because he was being ripped up. He, he, he didn’t know what to think about everything that happened. He said, I got to kick you guys out of here because you can’t pray for people in a gay bar. What are you talking about? You can’t do this. And I said, we have not told one person that they are center. We have not told one person that they’re going to hell. We haven’t told anybody, anything like that. We are just pouring out the love of God, praying for people talking about their identity and their worth in Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:31):
I think that’s the right approach. And in Romans it says that the goodness of God draws all men to repentance. And I think people need to see the goodness of God.

Philip Renner (29:40):
Absolutely. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:41):
The guy’s standing on the street corner with the megaphone shouting. You’re all going to hell is rarely, really very effective.

Philip Renner (29:48):
Yes. you gotta be led by a holy spirit how to preach. And I think it’s a good question to ask people you know, if you were died day, where would you spend eternity? But God will teach you how to say that in a very respectful understanding way. But sometimes you’re not supposed to go there. Sometimes you’re supposed to say how has your mother, I think she’s dealing with cancer right now. And the person is blown away because how could you know that? How could you know that I’m dealing with the issue in my blood vessel right now? How could you know that? And God is God is moving and shifting things. And that’s where the work of the evangelist is so powerful because it’s because there’s signs and there’s wonders. And the Bible says that Peter, that he would walk through a place and even the shadow would heal people.

Philip Renner (30:52):
So that’s what I’m asking. I’m like, Lord, that’s what shifting the atmosphere is. What does that look like? What does it look like to be just so full of God that you walk into a place? And everyone knows in there that it’s not just you, that walked in the place, but God walked into that place with you. And it’s not in his spirit of being judgmental. You’re all going to hell. Maybe sometimes God will tell you to be very strong and speak strongly, but I don’t think it’s all the time. And it’s always going to be with a spirit of understanding with the spirit of love and no condemnation. And so you know, if you were to ask me about three years ago, we want to go to the bar to preach. I would say no. And I, and I think I would have had a very judgemental attitude towards it.

Philip Renner (31:54):
Like, I don’t want to, not necessarily, I don’t want to be with those centers, but oh man, I don’t want to be in that, that evil place. I don’t want that stuff to get on me, you know, but it’s the compassion of God. And I think that if you have a relationship with, with God and you know, we’re talking about Greek words, right? And one of my favorite words in Greek is the word Jesus had compassion on them and not to get crude. But the word compassion is a splash of [inaudible], which means movement of the bowels. And we all know what movement of the bowels is. It causes you to take action. If you need to go to the bathroom, there’s nothing that is going to stop you. You’re going to ignore everyone and you’re going to go to the bathroom. And so it’s,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:48):
It says Jesus was moved with compassion. It moved in the same way you would be moved urgently to go. Yes,

Philip Renner (32:56):
There was something literally on the inside of him that caused him to have pain. It’s like, I got to do, I got to do this. I got to pray for that sick person. I got to preach to this person. And, and that’s what compassion is. Compassion is not pity. Compassion is action. And it’s compassion on, on gay people. It’s compassion on the bars or whatever it be that tells you. And I see the light of God and I didn’t go in there by myself. I found three other guys. And I said, man, let’s do this thing because there’s always someone that is ready to do it with you. And it’s about compassion that causes you to do these things. And I just, I want to pray for people right now, father. I thank you for everyone watching right now, everyone listening right now.

Philip Renner (33:55):
And God I ask you that we would be moved with compassion, that we wouldn’t be able to just sit and watch someone homeless or someone who is sick and say, oh God, I wish you would do something. But God let us be the ones that are moved with compassion to go after the one to even leave the 99 to go after the one to not be just so focused on the next crusade that is going to have thousands of people, but God, to be moved with compassion, to go after the one in our every day life in the name of Jesus father,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:36):
Amen. We’ll fill up. I love your heart for evangelism. I love your heart for, for worship and leading people into a relationship with Jesus. If someone wants to know more about your ministry, what’s your website.

Philip Renner (34:50):
The website is Philip brenner.com and Facebook is Philip Brenner ministries. Instagram is at Phillip printer. Wonderful.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:59):
Well thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast.

Philip Renner (35:03):
I’m so honored. Thank you. Thank you, Daniel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:05):
Thanks for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (36:09):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again that’s king ministries.com.

I met Dr. Ticha Willibroad at a crusade in Madagascar. He is from the nation of Cameroon. He has a heart for lost souls and he has ministered all over Africa. He has a vision for Operation Last Hour Rescue, a team of hospital chaplains that are dedicated to leading dying people to Jesus.

About Ticha Willibroad: Willibroad W. Ticha (PhD) is founder and president of Gospel Heroes World Missions. He lectures on Missions, Apologetics and Leadership.  His boldness and extremely daring engagement of his ministry assignment, is due to his belief; Whatever is worth doing, is worth doing now and quickly!

Check out his Website: https://tichawillibroad.com/ 

Connect with Ticha Willibroad on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ticha.willibroad.3 

Buy Ticha Willibroad’s book: 

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
I met Dr. Ticha Willibroad at a crusade in Madagascar. He is from the nation of Cameroon. He has a heart for lost souls, and he has ministered all over Africa. He has a vision for operation last hour, rescue a team of hospital chaplains that are dedicated to leading, dying people

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:19):
To Jesus. Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionary, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:56):
To the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about leading people to Jesus. Today. I have Dr. Willebrand. He is from the nation of Cameroon and we originally met in Madagascar and I was so impressed with all of the pastors conferences and evangelism that he’s doing in different parts of Africa. Dr. Will thank you so much for joining me today.

Ticha Willibroad (01:23):
I guess I’m watching Dr. King. it’s my pleasure to be with you. Of course. I’m very excited every time with you. Remember how we met in Madagascar and how the Lord also used you mightily. I mean, ever since we’ve been very good friends, I sincerely appreciate it. And thank you for having me on this platform.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:40):
So you have a tremendous call from God on your life as any evangelists. Tell me a little bit about your ministry and what God has called you to do. Yeah.

Ticha Willibroad (01:50):
First of all I’ve been seven love for a couple of years right now. I got saved when I was much younger, probably my 13. I was 13 of age or so then the Lord revealed to me he’s called wit for ministry. And of course it was it’s, it’s been tough and challenging, especially coming from a family that our daughter we’re Christian, but we’re not really Christians, you know, and answering the call was quite challenging, but God has been seeing me over the years and I’ve done ministry in different capacities before. But the Lord eventually leads us into what we do right now, which we’ve been doing this now for over 11 years. And so we actually organize leadership conferences in different countries where pastors and leaders come from different churches and to attend our conferences and we focus a lot more on the great commission, how the churches within a nation can reach out to the entire nation, the gospel of Jesus Christ, how they can set structures to ensure that evangelism can be, can be ongoing.

Ticha Willibroad (02:47):
So we go to these different nations where we do these conferences and what, what breaks my heart a lot more times is seeing pastors and bishops, you know, so carried by the word of God. I mean, there were brick and, and I’m in the same pattern and you see what the Lord is doing in those different countries. So that’s the kind of ministry which we do. And we also run this project called operation last, our rescue, the Lord spoke to me some time to train special Yvonne JDC chaplains for hospitals and nursing homes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:18):
And so you have a goal To train evangelists that would minister in hospitals and in nursing homes. Why is it important to reach out to people that are in hospitals and nursing homes

Ticha Willibroad (03:30):
You see over the years I’ve experienced, even while growing up. One of the polices I used to evangelize also a lot daily Wayne hospitals. I realized that whenever I post in the Sikh, he’s more conscious of the wall after, because there was an aspect of the fear of death, even an atheist, someone who doesn’t believe in God when he foresee and he’s in the hospital bed, and he’s not really sure what he’ll be will or whatever. There’s always that question, what happens after this? So I realized that at that point in time, a lot of people, even those who do not want to hear the gospel before become more open, literally I’ve seen Muslims confess Christ on the hospital bed. They will confess Christ, accept the lodges cause and all that stuff, you know? So I think it’s a very sensitive period in their lives and also a very fit type moment where in the gospel can go across. And then I think it’s also very important because you can imagine someone living his life without the Lord and, and on his dying bed, he, he received salvation and change the course of his life for eternity. So I think it’s something which is so important and, and the, you know just like the people across the acts of the Christ, you know, he pushed himself.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:40):
So it’s last chance of Angela’s ism right before they go to heaven or hell you give them a chance to heaven or hell to cry out to Jesus for salvation. So how would you go about training in evangelist who wants to go into the hospitals? How would you help that evangelists to become competent at sharing his faith in the hospital?

Ticha Willibroad (05:02):
Yeah. Okay. First of all, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we send our teams to these different countries and we first do, first of all, a vision casting meeting for them to understand why this is so important. Why should we go to hospitals? Why should we go to nursing homes? They have the festival understand that now once the guests understand that, and the fact that it is an opportunity to be the, to be the bridge, through which someone can, can pass through and get into eternity with Christ, you know, it becomes very much more exciting. Then we, we, we, we, we already have the training program. Well-Structured how to be able to reach out to an individual in a hospital environment. It it’s totally different from evangelize on the streets. It’s totally different from preaching in churches. It’s a very sensitive environment and there are certain guidelines and principles that it need to be able to observe.

Ticha Willibroad (05:52):
So we, we, we take them through these training programs about 3d streaming product intensive training, where we educate them as to how to go about it, the hospital environment, the kind of ethics, you know, how to collaborative with hospital staff and how to Rick, because these sick people, oftentimes like we reached out to you, you don’t have that luxury of time to talk to them. Like you could have one hour to talk to them in church. It could just be five minutes, could be 10 minutes. It all depends. But now we teach them strategies on how to be with a sick present for five minutes. And the sick person feels like he has been with them for an hour. So we have all those strategies and how to be able to approach them and all that stuff. So once we train these evangelists, we licensed them to be able to go into hospitals. And in those different countries, we, we, we, we we’ve established structures wearing it structures that helps to get whoever has been trained into hospitals to minister the gospel. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:51):
So you’re originally from the nation of Cameroon, but you’ve worked in many different countries in Africa. What, what are some of the countries that you’ve worked in?

Ticha Willibroad (07:01):
I’ve worked in a few countries in Africa for Nigeria toggle Republic of Benin, Ghana Ethiopia, Tanzania, Rwanda, seashells, militias, Madagascar, South Africa, Zimbabwe Liberia. It could run Guinea Gabon of course, Cameroon as well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:31):
You’ve been to more countries than Africa than I have. And I’ve been to quite a few what as an, as an African who’s called by God, what do you see that God wants to do in the continent of Africa?

Ticha Willibroad (07:47):
I, I strongly believe that there is a mighty revival going on. And the, one of the things that also characterize people from Africa or pre-test in Africa is because you see based on, is it Africans and not, you know, a lot of them are not overly exposed to, to some of the privileges, for example, financially, for example, that in our American preachers or whatever the Westerners may be exposed to. So, and because of that, it pushes them to pray a whole lot so that there was this tearing in, in our, our, this revival in Africa where people are coming to a police, they realize that if they’re going to make it, it has to be to the power of God. So you would see Africans will go into, into all kinds of Prius. People would lock themselves up for and believing because they’re not, if the hand of God doesn’t manifest upon their lives, they’re not gonna succeed.

Ticha Willibroad (08:39):
So I think that there was a mitral valve in Africa. God is raising men and women addicted to the word of God who are addicted to prayer and fasting that the know that is the only way out. And, and, and so, and because of that, there was a whole lot of revival on, in different, in different countries. I mean, you saw what happened with you in, in, in Tanzania with crowds of thousands gathering, you know I think that there was a mighty river going on and I see go to quite whole little things in Africa. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:10):
Now you have your, your doctorate and you’ve written quite a few different books, and many of them are available on amazon.com. Could you share with me the names of some of the books that you’ve written and what they’re about and in the podcast, I’ll put a link to the books. If someone wants to buy a book off of Amazon. Oh, thank

Ticha Willibroad (09:33):
You. Yeah. I’ve written a few books. Most of my books have not been published yet. I’ve written close to 30 books and most haven’t been published. But I have a few of them already on Amazon. We have reclaiming yourself from emotional trauma. Now these are for people who’ve gone through tough times when it come, when it has to do with the relationship, but it feels like they can love again. They feel like, can I really find someone I can trust? Can my life become better? Again, now a book like that, the one that’s going to help them a whole lot to come out of those emotional crisis and to be able to look at life

Ticha Willibroad (10:07):
Mountains, point of view, and not to allow that stigma of the religion of the past to be the whole of them them it’s called the reclaiming yourself from emotional trauma. And, and also we have cultivating the spirit of leadership and the, the, the goal, actually that book is to be able to help those brewing minister, those who want to sell a moat. And it helps them to be able to identify their calling and to be able to pursue, you know, grow in leadership and stuff like that. It helps them to even as a black from his own foundation, with regards to what leadership is all about and how to go on with that, which the Lord has called them to do. I think it’s very important for every leader and everyone desiring to lead in any capacity, whether it’s in ministry or it’s in business or whatever.

Ticha Willibroad (10:58):
I think it’s a very good book on that. We also have the book on recovering. You are 19. Now there are people actually who have been passionate for God or the desire to go hybrid God, but don’t even just know how to go about it. They, they can sense that God is calling them into a deeper walk, into the higher walk. And so I had experienced, but they don’t know how to harness himself towards that. Now the book recovering you’re 19, it’s going to be a very good piece. It helps a person really trace where the mystic retraced themselves, especially those who have been once passionate for God or once acting or hot for God. And somehow they’re now becoming look warm, but they don’t, they don’t like your presence. They don’t want to go back to the place of glory, but they don’t know how to go about that. That book is very dynamic in that it’s going to help them. It begins by creating the hunger. It creates that desperation for God. It brings them to a place where this apple school becomes what they don’t want to be. They don’t want to be a pathway. They want to go with God too, you know, and stop like that. And, and, and it helps to, to create that passion, that Honda for God. And it shows them the practical steps, what it takes to get back to that place of glory. You know? So I think the book recovery anointing is going to be a good piece. That’s wonderful.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:27):
Well, if someone wants to support your ministry, how can they find out more about you? What’s your website? Yeah.

Ticha Willibroad (12:35):
My, my website is our teacher, William S T I C H E w I L L I B R O E d.com. Teacher Willie, product com. We that’s our website a couple of things are being discussed there. They can support the ministry on the homepage. We have this delete button and stop. They can reach out to us through email info at teacher will come and we can put them through as to how they can be partners and stuff like that. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:01):
Well, Dr. Wil, I love your vision for reaching people in the hospitals and nursing homes all over Africa. I love that you’re training people to share their faith and training them in evangelism and bringing pastors together and teaching them about leadership principles. And so God’s hand is upon you, and I believe that God’s going to do amazing things through your ministry. Thank you so much. And God bless

Ticha Willibroad (13:25):
You. Thank you so much your team for having me. I appreciate it, man of God, God bless you. And they got keep on lifting you up on your team and your ministry and that what you do, and with the crisp of the rest would you, might’ve be in Jesus name. Amen. Thanks Daniel. Thank you. Thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:42):
Thanks For listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (14:45):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.