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Lee Saalfeld | Knowing Him in Cuba, Ecuador, & Colombia

Lee Saalfeld is being used by God in Cuba, Ecuador, & Colombia. Today he shares about how to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit when you face dangerous and challenging situations.

About Lee Saalfeld: Following high school, Lee joined the U.S. Navy. After three tours in Vietnam as a Hospital Corpsman, he returned to the U.S. to continue his service in the naval reserves. He retired after 28 years, as a Senior Chief Petty Officer. Lee graduated from the University of Nebraska–‐Lincoln in 1975 with a B.S. degree in pre–‐medical studies. After serving many years in hospital administration, he founded an insurance/retirement planning business, retiring (again) in 2011. They both dedicated their lives to Jesus Christ in August, 1997, and completed their Bible school training in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Lauren and Lee were ordained in 2005, then founded Knowing Him Ministry, a 501(c)(3) not–‐for–‐profit corporation. This is a project–‐driven ministry with over 95% of donations being used directly for ministry projects. They have ministered many times in Cuba, Mexico, Colombia, Panama, the San Blas Islands, Honduras and the United States. The KHM International headquarters has been relocated to Branson West from Cuenca, Ecuador. Lauren’s ministerial focus is on teaching, evangelizing and sharing God’s healing love. She received a Bachelor of Ministry Degree in Christian counseling, completed her Masters in Christian counseling and is currently finishing her doctoral degree thesis in The same.  She has been equipping believers through pastoring, counseling and missions for over a decade. Lee and Lauren served as the Senior Pastors of Misión Palabra de Vida Church in Cuenca. Lauren served as the past president of the national organization for the churches. They are serving as National Directors, Ecuador for the International Convention of Faith Ministries, and assisting at the international level, as well. From 2011 through 2016 Lee’s ministry focus was in the Amazon jungle region of E. Ecuador, making more than 100 trips to the area and planting two new churches there. They started 7 Bible schools in Ecuador. Their passion is to encourage and train pastors, teachers and making disciples for the equipping of the Body of Christ throughout South America and the United States. Lee and Lauren are currently serving on staff at Lakewood Church in Branson West, Mo. Lauren is a licensed Pastoral counselor, teacher and missionary. Lee serves in evangelism and is also a missionary. They reside in the Branson area.


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Lee Saalfeld is being used by God in Cuba, Ecuador and Columbia. Today he shares about how to follow the leading of the holy spirit when you face dangerous in challenging situations,

The Evangelism Podcast Host (00:24):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:49):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me, Lee Feld Feld. Thank you for joining me today.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (01:02):
It’s a pleasure brother Dan, I, I just after going to Cuba with you, I’m looking so much forward to doing this interview with you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:10):
You have been a missionary for many years. You’ve been working in Ecuador, in Cuba and Columbia recently, how did you originally become a missionary?

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (01:21):
Well, we were when my wife and I accepted Jesus in 1997, August 3rd, actually in Branson air or Branson west, Missouri. And the pastor there would always bring in these guest speakers and the late Jim Zekel came to the church several times and he spoke about missionaries and my wife and I looked at each other after the second visit and said, that’s us, we’re missionaries. That’s what our calling is.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:48):
And then what steps did you take in order to actually go to the mission field?

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (01:53):
Well like I said, we got born again in 1997, in 1999. The Lord spoke to me very clearly and said, I am sending you to the Spanish speaking countries. And I said, Lord, I don’t speak Spanish. And he says, I didn’t say you speak Spanish. I said, I’m sending you to the Spanish speaking countries. And so I have done now, including my numerous trips to the jungle in Ecuador, I’ve done 173 give or take mission trips all to Spanish speaking countries.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:22):
Wow. That’s amazing. And for quite a few years, you were down in Ecuador and working even out in the jungles with some of the, the people out there. Tell me a little bit, what was Ecuador like?

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (02:34):
Well in a, in a, in a phrase Ecuador living there for seven and a half years was like living in the United States in the 1950s. That’s what it reminded me of how we got there. We had several people prophesy that we would go there in, in 2010 and before we really had a dream and a vision that we would be living and going as missionaries permanently in Columbia. So when Ecuador came up, it was we knew it was neighboring to Columbia, but we didn’t know much about it, but the city was actually named to us where we would be. And so we sold our house, we sold our cars, we sold everything, gave our furniture away. And with two cases in a backpack, we, we went to Ecuador in obedience to what the Lord was telling us to do.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:19):
Now you’re actually writing a book about an experience that you had in Ecuador. And you came to me about a year and a half ago, maybe two years ago. And you just showed me an outline of the book that God had placed in your heart. And then just a, a couple of nights ago, you gave me a flash drive and said, Daniel, now the book is written. And so I was able to encourage you a little bit with the, the writing and, and talk to me a little bit about that process of of writing the book and, and

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (03:53):
Well it was actually, I believe it was three years ago that you and I went to Cuba together and spent about two and a half weeks there, I believe. And as I recall, and before I went to Cuba, I had, I had been in Columbia and came back to United States and then met you. And we went into Cuba. And before I got to Cuba, the Lord says, when you return from Cuba, you will write the book that I have planted in you from the, my time in the jungle in Ecuador.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:22):
All right. Just really briefly give me a short synopsis of the book. What happened? What’s the big event in the book?

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (04:29):
Well, the big event is a 23 hour period that took place on December 28th, 2015. When I had an accident in the jungle with my car. It was a van actually. And two people died and I was held responsible by the indigenous people and they took the law under their, under the indigenous law’s hands. And they, they put me on trial that night for the death of one of, one of the, one of the family members. And my judge and jury were six members of this Schwar group, the father daughter, two aunts. And I believe there was uncle and a brother and they were my jury and, and judge. And if they gave me thumbs down, I was dead. There was 150 men warriors there that were standing around with machete in one hand and a candle in the other, cuz there was no lights out there and there was a dead body laying there in the road and they were judging me whether I was responsible for this and the, if I, the thumbs would’ve been down those machetes would’ve cut me to ribbons.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:37):
And so you listened to the holy spirit, the holy spirit helped you in that situation. And obviously you weren’t killed. You survived.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (05:45):
Obviously I’m here. Aren’t I <laugh> in the flesh right here. Yes, it was when I was in the, in the police car and that truck actually was a little pickup. I had handcuffs on and, and I was, and the pastor who was with us from the United States said to me, he grabbed my arm before we got in the car and he said, Lee, two things. He said, one, you did nothing wrong. Cuz he was in the car when the accident happened. And he said, the number two is always pray in the spirit. And so that’s what I was doing is I was riding in the, in the police truck. And I was praying in the spirit. The policeman says, what are you doing? And I says, I’m praying. And he says, I don’t recognize that that’s not Spanish. That’s not English.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (06:25):
And I says, I’m praying in the spirit. You probably do not understand it. And so as we stopped at the scene, as we returned to the scene, the policeman came, was coming around to get me outta the backseat. And I heard the holy spirit speak to me very clearly. He said, what do you need now? And so I said, I need Spanish now, better than I’ve ever spoken it. And I, I had no idea what the situation was involved. I didn’t know why I was being returned there. I didn’t know anything about that. And as he took me out of the car, I saw what was before me. And he grabbed me by the arm and said, speak to him, the six people, family members that were lined up there. And if I hadn’t been able to speak Spanish as clearly, and as well as I did for that next 10 minutes, I wouldn’t be sitting here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:17):
God has also opened up doors for you to go into the nation of Cuba. For, in some ways Cuba is a very closed nation, but at the same time, people are very hungry for God in the nation of Cuba. And so tell me a little bit about your most recent trip to Cuba and some of the doors that, that, that God is opening up

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (07:41):
There. Oh yes. We just returned from Cuba last month. My wife and I went down on direction of the holy spirit. He said now is the time go. And so we went in, we had our papers and everything in order within three weeks and we were in Cuba again. And it was a perfect timing. We did not have a religious visa this time. And we spoke we, we met a person who we had, or we met up with a person who had met earlier on an earlier trip. His he was a, a Bishop over a group of 84, 85 churches in Cuba. And so we stayed at his, his house and, and preached in his church. And we just had a, you know, a tremendous time with him when we bonded so closely with him.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (08:26):
And he introduced us to some other people who were involved in a new movement in Cuba with the non-denominational or independent churches, it’s brand new. They’ve only been in existence for not very many years. I don’t know exactly, but not many they’re growing very quickly and they have a lot of people have joining them because they’re able to preach as the holy spirit directs them, not as man is directing them. And this is a whole new way of thinking in Cuba. And we joined up with a leader. We met the leader in, in, in, in invited by him to speak to his leaders. And we spoke on the holy spirit. The movement was incredible. Three different women came up in prophesied and said that we are part my wife and I are part of the movement of the, the, the revival that is breaking out in Cuba, starting in east of the island and, and moving westerly.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (09:19):
And so we’re returning there again in November this time with a religious visa the doors were the trust and the confidence was really tremendous for us this time, because this was actually our 22nd visit to Cuba. And people don’t go back there that often <laugh> normally only most people go once or maybe twice, but we’ve been there over the last 20 20 years, 22 times. And we spoke only about the holy spirit. The people we spoke this time were primarily born again, full believers, and they were so hungry for the word of God, based on the teach, the, the teachings we, we shared with them on the holy spirit. We didn’t even preach how and why you should re baptize with the holy spirit. We just told ’em the benefits and the, and how wonderful it is. Quoted some scriptures like you know, that in like Romans 8, 26, you know, we talked to ’em about that a bit and several other scriptures.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (10:15):
And, and, and I says, do you want, this? Is this what you’d like to have? And they’d say, yes, yes, they’d stand up and shout. And we didn’t even have to go through any processes. All I would say is there’s only three things required at this point. You have to be a believer and we’ve already had the alter call for salvation. 100% of you are eligible. Now, all you have to do is believe and receive it. And they were so hungry, I would say 80% time after time started speaking in tongues, clearly without any real instructions, just letting the holy spirit work through him. It was, it was so beautiful.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:48):
We have a lot of people who listen to the evangelism podcast who are missionaries working on the mission field, and you’ve worked on the mission field for a long time. And you’ve faced dangerous situations, difficult situations, situations where there was lack situations where there were disputes among different believers. And so you’ve learned to listen very closely to the holy spirit and allow him to, to lead you and, and guide you in ministry. And, and so talk to someone who maybe is, is on the mission field a a about how to tap into the holy spirit wisdom that you need in order to stay on the mission field.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (11:32):
Well, it’s important that we realize right up front that the holy spirit that lives in us and we’ve given the authority to guide us, is that you surrender to him. You know, I, I spent 28 years in the military and I understand obedience. And, and when he speaks or gives you that small, quiet, urging you obey and do what he says, that’s important. We first have to be obedient. We don’t question it. We know that it’s the right thing that we’re hearing, you know, and sometimes it’s, it’s a lot more direct depending on the situation, but most of the time, it’s that still quiet voice. And you say, well, how do you recognize him? It just feels like you’re hearing him in every cell in your body. It doesn’t, it’s not an audible normally sometimes at very seldom. It is, but it’s, it’s that at that ction we speak about, it’s just, this is right.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (12:22):
It seems right in acts chapter 15, three times there, it says, he says, it seemed right. It seemed the holy spirit was doing this, and that’s the word I like about it. It seems right in Spanish. We were, we set it all the time down there, pot. It seems right. And that’s, that’s how it is. And you know, example that when it was a real, a real audible voice when I was in the jungle in Ecuador, it was it was in an area that there were no other missionaries. And, and we would go out to the, the far, far villages. We had to, we had to get to many of ’em by a river. That was nearly, I mean, it was, it was the bridge going across it. If you walked, it was nearly a quarter mile and it was very large river.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (13:04):
And when it rained, the river was full, it was dangerous. There were rocks in there. It was rapids areas. And one time we were returning from a village and we were in these little dugout canoes, and, and we had all of our equipment in there. Our speakers, everything was with us. And I had two other missionaries with me. One was from Ecuador and the other was from the United States and we get in the boat and it starts raining and the water is coming down and falling in the boat. We couldn’t get it out and BA it out fast enough. And our boat was probably only an inch, inch and a half above the water. And, and, and, and they said, what do we do? What do we do? Do we throw the speakers overboard? Should we throw all the equipment? And I said, holy spirit, what do we do?

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (13:42):
What do we do? And right away, I heard very clearly pray in the spirit. That’s all he said, pray in the spirit. And so I said, don’t worry about it. Just start praying in the spirit. And all three of us did. And we, and the driver, just all of a sudden makes a turn and shoots across the river, gets over to the other side, the wide river. And we safely made it back. But it, it was, it was nothing we could do. We could keep bailing water, but we were gonna lose that race. We, we prayed in the spirit, we were obedient and that was what we were supposed to do. And he would get us safely there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:13):
Give me some more stories about times when the holy spirit spoke to you.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (14:19):
Well, on this trip to Cuba we prepared and, and had all of our equipment together. And we, we take in about 60, 70 pounds of, of medical supplies antibiotics that, that they only read about. They never seen. And, and we, we got a very good source of them from, in, you know, from Tulsa and we, we get the medications. And and, and so we, what we do with those is we, we sponsor a children’s leukemia hospital. We work with them and, and, and get that to the hospital and it saves lives. But we, the praying for is probably more important. I, I believe so. And as we were getting ready, we, we get closer to the time. And I had said, holy spirit, what, what messages, what do you want me to talk about? And I kept hearing it’s okay, just be calm.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (15:04):
I’ve got it under control. I just, that’s what I felt day after day after day. And I really didn’t as we went to Cuba, cuz once you get there, your activities in Columbia and other places, as you well know this as traveling internationally yourself, you don’t have time to prepare messages when you get there, you have to have it inside you or on paper before you get there. And so I just kept, you know, I had peace. He just says, it’s okay, I’ve got it under control. And we got in there on Thursday and Friday, the next day we took off and we went and stayed at the Bishop’s place. And we were gonna, and Sunday comes and since we didn’t have a religious visa and we were visiting, I just was calm about it. And 30 minutes before the service starts, he says, I’d like you to share today a message.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (15:47):
And I, and I hadn’t prepared any messages yet. And he says, I I’ll, I’ll maybe 10 minutes. And then he comes back to me. He says, well, I’m only gonna speak a little bit. You take half the service. And then, so I quickly wrote out on a piece of paper. I says, holy spirit, give me the message. And I just made some quick notes. He, he just dropped it down on me and because he said he had it under control, gave me the message. And then when he gets up there ready to speak, he only, he only speaks 10 minutes and he gives me the service <laugh>. So if I hadn’t counted on the holy spirit in that situation, I mean, I, he gave me the correct message. We had a baptism with the spirit and everybody who was not speaking in tongues, it was virtually a hundred percent of everybody left and it was the right message. It was listening to the holy spirit

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:31):
Right now. We are at convention together, the international convention of faith ministries. Yeah, I CFM. And you are one of the, the international directors for them and, and helping to plant different chapters in different nations. And so you’ve brought a whole group from Columbia and from Chile and from other countries. Talk to me a little bit about the conferences that you’ve put together in Columbia and Ecuador. And for those listening, maybe share what I CFM is all about and, and why someone should be involved. Sure.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (17:09):
This ICF M was formed in 1979 by pastor Kenneth Hagen and 16 other pastors that in met in Tulsa and said, we have discovered this faith message we’re preaching it. We’re put in intent ministries and many people are healing. They were going out from Tulsa to many areas and they said, what, what do we need to do as a group to take this message to the world? And now we are here. Now we’re here 43, 44 years later. I took that seriously what our forefathers said. And so as a missionary, I’m really honored to be a part of I C F M to be taking this message of faith to the nations. And so my wife and I oh, about three or four years ago, after serving as the national directors in Ecuador we moved back and to the United States. And so they asked me to be if I would be the international associate director. So I travel and do three, four missions trips a year, and I’m always preaching on faith. I do, I, you know, my message like yours is salvation baptism with the spirit and divine healing, you know, that’s keep it simple, keep it straight and, and and, and see the results as the holy spirit has got the open doors to,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:22):
Let me just ask you a question on the mission field. Do people need faith?

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (18:27):
Oh, absolutely. As missionaries. Oh my goodness. I wouldn’t go without the holy spirit or with faith. And the two are like this it’s holy spirit faith. And so it fits together like a glove. It fits together like the holy spirit inside you. And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:39):
How does the, the faith message impact the, the people that you’re ministering to in these different countries? Well,

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (18:46):
I, if, you know, you can preach on faith and, and, you know, it says in, in Romans eight, 17, no yeah. 10, 17, I’m sorry. <Laugh> 10, 17. It says faith comes by hearing. So we’re, we’re carriers of the faith message and, and, and we we’re job is to increase their level of faith so they can receive, and salvation is the greatest, greatest act of faith. We can, we can actually be a part of

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:13):
Amen. Well, the name of your ministry is knowing him. Yes. And if someone would be interested in having you and your, your dynamite wife, Lauren, come to their church and share some stories about missions how could they get in touch with you? Well,

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (19:30):
Our, our email address, the best way to reach us is L Feld icloud.com. That’s L S a a L F E L D, which is our last name, icloud.com. We will respond immediately to that. Right now our website is not up. So we are, we’re not operating through that. We have a phone number in, in Branson. You can call me at (417) 559-0959. And we’ll be glad to discuss anything with you on that. And and, and our, our PO box that we receive all our ministry mail is, is PO box 6, 4 58 in Branson, Missouri O at 6 5, 605. And so that’s our address, phone number and, and our email address.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:19):
All right. I coach a lot of evangelists and help them out with different things. And so one thing I would like to say is you need a website, so you can cover all that just on, on one website, and then your, your, your book is coming out soon. And, and so people will be able to get your book and, and read stories about the, how God sets you free in one of the worst situations someone could be in.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (20:44):
Yes, the book is entitled the, the machete and the cross. And thanks to you. We have the cover designed, it’s been written. I’m very, very pleased with that. And you’ve reviewed the book and I’m getting ready to send it to a publisher. So the holy spirit spoke to me about the book. Once again, after he directed me to have it written and thanks to you brother Daniel for coaching me through the early stages of it and how to set up everything, the way I, the way it was done properly. And, and I’m really honored for the nice words you said about the final version. The Lord spoke to me again, as I said, and he said to you will not sell this book. You will, you will take only offerings for the book. And every offering that comes in will go into the ministry into knowing him and making him known and be used for soul winning activities.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:38):
Awesome. Well, I’m excited that I was able to be a part of, of helping to encourage you to, to write the book. Thank you. And thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. I, I really hope very soon to be able to go back to Cuba with you yes. To go to Columbia, to go to Ecuador. There’s so many different places that are hungry for more of God. And so I look forward to being with you somewhere on the mission field against it. So I add

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (22:02):
One more thing in Columbia in, in last year in October, pastor Nelson, Navarro from the church that he’s over the church Rayma and in Bogota, it’s a very large church. He has a missions team there that he’s in this in training 43 students in his church that are training to be missionaries. And so I’m really kind of a coach. When I go down there, I’m leaving in three weeks to spend six weeks down there, coaching these new students, taking ’em out in the field and teaching them about missions in the, in the wild, you know, in the rough areas, terrain some of ’em be jungles. Some of ’em be pretty, pretty tough areas. And while we’re doing this, we there’s this one village we go to it’s called Veta for 42 years. That village was under the control of the far, which is the communist regime in, in Columbia.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (22:50):
And it’s a dangerous area. And I was the first person to return there from the United States in 42 years last year. And while I was there, I had this vision that this was an area that would be an excellent area for training and raising up missionaries. And it turned out that the pastor of the church, our Arsenio had the same vision and Nelson pastor Nelson also had the same vision. And so we had gotten together, we did a really, really good interview with pastor Arsenio and how he was in when he was in the park before and how the Lord changed his life. And so we we’ve determined that we’re going to build a missions training center there to bring international missionaries, primarily from the Spanish speaking countries of south and central America to this area, train them up and send them not only out to Columbia, but to the other back to their countries, other countries as the Lord sends them and, and directs ’em in their visions. So we’re, we’re, we’re working when I return. We’re gonna be looking at how we can put that together and make it work to build this international missions training center right out there in the near jungle areas.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:54):
That’s awesome. Well, praise the Lord. That’s a wonderful vision, and I know it will have a big impact on south America. So brother Lee, thank you, God bless you.

Missionary Lee Saalfeld (24:04):
It is a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:06):
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James Biddle | Joy to the World

James Biddle is the Community Outreach Pastor at Joy Church in Mt. Juliet, Tennessee. The church is led by Pastor Jim Frease who has a vision to take Joy to the World. On today’s episode, James shares several innovative ideas for taking Christ to your community.

Joy Church Website: https://joychurch.net/


Outreach starts with the senior pastor. The pastor sets the culture.
In Acts 1:8, Jesus told us to start in our community (Jerusalem) then go to the world.
Take a 5 mile radius and draw a circle around your church. make it your goal that every person in that 5 mile radius will be aware that your church is there and that you care about them.
Outreach values driven by Pastor Jim Frease:
*Invest Invite Include
*Connection before correction
*Perception determines reception
*Generosity that breeds curiosity
* Always make a video of the outreach to show your congregation.
* Postcard Flyers quarterly and we train to invest invite include with matching invitation cards. Pray over flyers as evangelism. Make that next weekend really sharp.
* Outreaches are different than events. Don’t charge for any outreaches. Make it all free.
* Keep scattering seed. It takes time for the community to trust us.
Outreach Ideas:
1. Under $1500 (not heavy evangelism just focus on connections). We’ll see one or two salvations.  If one family comes to your church and starts tithing the outreach paid for itself.
Snow-cone outreach at park (pump it in advance)
Teacher breakfast $800 CFA
College breakfast Chickfila and coffee
Feed a group of 100 police or firemen
2. $2,500
Free community yard sale
Buy everyone’s Chick Fila for an hour. Have a team inside connecting.
Christmas toy for every new first time guests. 50 kids at $50 each gift. Have some candy and hot chocolate. Let your members use as an invite include opportunity to be saved.
3. $10,000
Gas card giveaway with free meals and car wash.
Welcome Basket outreach. Nice stuff, not cheap church stuff. Target new neighborhoods. $35 per basket. Gift card, coffee, mug, tea, snacks, church invite. Excellence doesn’t have to be expensive. It’s doing the best you can with what you have.
*Advertise with excellence but over deliver
*Good deeds but always be accompanied by the good news. We won’t do an outreach if we can’t at least invite people to church with an invite card.



Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
James Biddle is the community outreach pastor at joy church in Mount Juliet, Tennessee. The church is led by pastor Jim fries, who has a vision to take joy to the world. On today’s episode, James shares several innovative ideas for taking Christ into your community.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:32):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Danielle King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:56):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me. James Biddle is the community outreach pastor at joy church in Mount Juliet, Tennessee. And so the church is led by pastor Jim fries, and he has a vision for taking joy to the world. And so it’s so nice to meet you.

Pastor James Biddle (01:24):
It’s good to meet you Daniel, and I’ve enjoyed connecting with you this week and I really appreciate your heart for the great commission, your heart for souls. And I’m just honored to be here and share a little bit about what God’s doing in middle Tennessee.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:37):
So tell me, how did you become the community outreach director there at joy church?

Pastor James Biddle (01:42):
Yeah. Thank you. So I’ve known pastor Jim for 20 years. He’s been a mentor spiritual father, and we were at Knoxville, Tennessee, and he called us in 2019 to come and serve. And it’s been an honor ever since. And so we’ve got a long term relationship with pastor Jim and we moved there to serve full time in 2019.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:01):
All right. You’ve given me some tremendous notes that we’re gonna talk about here. The first thing that you mentioned is the outreach starts with the senior pastor. The pastor sets the culture. Talk to me about how that works in your church. How does pastor Jim free set the culture for outreach?

Pastor James Biddle (02:20):
Yeah, absolutely. It, it has to begin with the senior leader. They have to carry the vision. They have to fund the vision. They have to be fully committed to being a soul winner and people do what they see, people model that. And so our church is a tremendous outreach church because our pastor is an outreaching pastor. He is witnessing to people, sharing his faith at restaurants, not only in a mass alter calls, but he’s actually doing it one on one. And so the pastor has to be fully sold out to leading this, to modeling it. And it has to be a focus of your church and you have to fund it. You have to allocate finances for it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:57):
Talk to me about acts one eight and how that influences how you reach out.

Pastor James Biddle (03:01):
Yeah, we, we believe acts one eight where the Bible says you shall receive power. After the holy spirit comes upon. You you’ll be my witness in Jerusalem, Judea Samaria, and then all the parts of the earth. And we believe that Jerusalem is our community. And so pastor Jim has such a heart for the community. We, we do a lot of world missions. You are a world evangelist. We do a lot of missions different countries, but we start in the community. We’ve drawn a five mile radius around our church and we’ve said, we’re gonna own that five mile radius. And so what we found out Daniel is the more we impact our local community, the more resources we have to reach the world. And so it starts in the community.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:46):
Let me give you some phrases here. And then you tell me what they mean. The first one is invest. Invite include,

Pastor James Biddle (03:53):
Invest, invite, include something. You’ll hear all the time in our church. We say it, every service we say it all the time. That’s for our people to invest in those that we don’t know. You have friends and family. We don’t know you work with people. We don’t know, invite them to come be a part of joy church. And when they show up, include them in the process, make ’em feel like family.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:15):
Another phrase is connection before correction. What does that mean?

Pastor James Biddle (04:20):
Yeah. We always want to connect first. And if you look at Jesus in John chapter four, the woman at the well, he connected with her, they connected over the water. Jesus was thirsty. She had water, there was a connection. And then he was able to help her be corrected to the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:37):
Why do you think that’s important in the, the modern day church? Cause sometimes people, it seems they, they have finger wagon, religion. They’re, they’re yelling at people and correcting the whole world saying here, all doing it wrong. But why is connection so important?

Pastor James Biddle (04:53):
Well, there was a survey done a while back about what people thought about churches. And they said they were judgemental and irrelevant. And so our pastor has led us and taught us that we’re to tell people how good God is. God is not mad at them. We say in our church, if you feel a stomach, it opens a heart. And so we want some kind of a connection. We wanna earn a voice. We wanna earn their trust. Before we just try to give ’em the gospel. We want that genuine connection because we love them and care about them. And it opens tremendous doors for the correction of the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:24):
I heard your pastor say another phrase yesterday. When he, he preached here at the, the I CFM conference perception, determines reception.

Pastor James Biddle (05:33):
Yeah. So we do a lot of outreaches that change how people perceive the church. Again, if you ask people, what do you think about church? Well, Christians are hypocrites. They’re judgemental, they’re relevant. So we do a lot of things in the community to change how people view God to change how people view the church. Because if we change how they perceive us, then they’ll receive our message that we have.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:57):
And here’s another phrase, generosity that breeds curiosity.

Pastor James Biddle (06:01):
We wanna be so generous that people ask, why, why are you doing this? We, we are always giving away things. One thing that’s important to us is at outreach events. We never charge. We will sometimes charge for events, but when it’s an outreach, we never charge. We give away everything. We wanna be so generous. We wanna be known for that. And it really breeds. Curiosity, why are you doing this? Why would you give this away? Why would you do this? It’s because God loves you. And we love you. And it really does breed. Curiosity.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:34):
What are some ways that your church gets people in the church ex excited about the outreach and, and wanting to participate?

Pastor James Biddle (06:42):
Yeah. Well, number one, you talked about this always video. We video everything and that’s because video tells a story, we’ll say, Hey, we did an outreach. You all, weren’t all there. So we’re gonna show you about it. Every week, during time and offerings, we share about the outreaches that we’ve done. We do a quarterly postcard mailer. We actually do old fashioned postcard paper stamp. We mail it. You may not be able to do this right now, but you can start on some level. We mail a postcard to everybody in our county. We do it four times a year. And, and so

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:15):
What would be on one of those postcards? What, what are you advertising?

Pastor James Biddle (07:18):
Yeah. And it, it, it, the catch phrase is, are you tired of enduring life? Do you wanna enjoy life? It gives our service times. It tells us what we do. And we just keep that in front of people. And we try to pick a fun creative cover. So people look at it, you’ve got about three seconds. When somebody gets a postcard, are they gonna trash it or keep it? So we brainstorm as a staff, we pick a really good loving, encouraging image. And then we do some other media that ties into that. And that’s one way that we, we drive traffic into the door.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:49):
Now your church has several different types of outreaches that you do. Okay. And in your notes, you’ve given me some $1,500 ideas for outreaches, some $2,500 outreaches, and then some, some $10,000 outreach. And not everyone who’s listening has a church that’s as big as joy church, but in a small church, you can do a small outreach that, that doesn’t necessarily have to cost a huge amount of money. So let’s just go through the list. Yeah. Starting with the, the $1,500 outreaches. What, what’s one of the, the outreaches that you do that may not cost that much, but still has a big impact.

Pastor James Biddle (08:30):
Yeah. And think excellence that doesn’t have to be expensive. Excellence is doing the best you can with what you have. And so you may not have a lot of resources, but you can do some of these things. So one thing that we do is we’ll find a local park and we’ll call in advance and rent a ice cream truck, or a snow cone truck, or an icy truck. And we’ll have them come out to the park. We’ll set up tables and chairs and canopies give a two hour window and we’ll buy everybody’s snow cones. And you can do that for a thousand dollars. You can serve 250 to 300 people, free snow cones, thousand bucks, couple of canopies, couple of tables, couple of chairs. And it’s a tremendous way to invite people to your church.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:13):
Now, yesterday, you were explaining to me why you put out canopies and chairs.

Pastor James Biddle (09:18):
Yeah. We’re trying to be thoughtful to the guest. You know, if you’re doing snow cones in a park, it’s probably summer, it’s probably hot. So you wanna create some shade for the people standing in line. You want to create that environment. And then we put out canopies and tables and chairs, cuz we want to create a place for people to stay. If they sit down, we can have our team connect with ’em and love on ’em. Now, Daniel, these are not heavy evangelistic outreaches. We’re not gonna get 30 people saved at these outreaches. We might have one or two salvations. These are more connection. These are more perception, outreaches. And over time they fold into what your church does in the community. And every single time we have families come back. And if you have one family come to your church, get plugged in, start tithing. That outreach paid for itself. Now we don’t do that to get them to come and tithe. But in a practical sense, one family gets plugged into your church. That outreach essentially costs you no money and you reach a family. And so we try to provide those connection opportunities with our team.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:22):
And so you view this more as an investment. You’re not spending money, you’re investing money, getting people saved, and then they’re coming back and bringing resources to the

Pastor James Biddle (10:32):
Church. Yeah. And we are unashamed that our ult we don’t have an ulterior motive, but we have an ultimate motive. That’s what pastor Jim says. We don’t have an ulterior motive. We have an ultimate motive. And that is to get people back into the church. And we’re not ashamed about that. That is God’s model for discipleship. And so we’re always inviting people to come and be a part of what God is doing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:53):
All right. Gimme some more ideas for that first price tier.

Pastor James Biddle (10:58):
So find a local school, connect with a principal and say, Hey, on the first day of school, when the teachers are coming back, we wanna bring Chick-fil-A breakfast to your teachers. You’re talking a hundred teachers, maybe 110, 115 at the most. That’s a pretty good sized school. So for 700 bucks, you can get, Chick-fil-A go to a wholesale club and get granola yogurt, orange juice, and just show up and bless the teachers with breakfast. On the first day of score, you will be their hero and it’s 700 bucks.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:29):
What else?

Pastor James Biddle (11:31):
Well, something else that you can do is you can go to a local college. We’ve got a university in our area and we connected with some folks there and we’ll go down on a Thursday morning. It cost about a thousand bucks. We’ll buy Chick-fil-A. And we’ll say for two hours, come by and get free. Chick-Fil-A you need some students there. Let ’em get on Facebook, Instagram, Hey, come get some Chick-fil-A a thousand bucks. You can feed students on a college campus. Chick-Fil-A give ’em some coffee and you can make some amazing, amazing connections because you love them. You’re serving them, you’re connecting. And then you invite them to come to church.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:03):
Who else could you feed?

Pastor James Biddle (12:05):
Yeah. So don’t stop there. What about police? Firemen? You could literally have every fireman in your community. Maybe not your city if you’re in a big city, but if you’re in a small town, like we are, we have a hundred people in our police department. I can feed a hundred people for a thousand bucks. If I’ve got a really good team that will cook it and prepare and get volunteers engaged, you could host the firemen and say, Hey, we don’t have a fireman, appreciation lunch, have them on your campus, serve them a really nice meal, no junky meal. Make it really, really nice. Get your best cooks your best volunteers, put your best foot forward. And these people will notice that you care and you do this over time. Over time, over time, people start to realize, wow, this church cares about the community.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:49):
Now bump it up a notch. One of the significant outreaches that your church does is a garage sale. Te tell me about that and how that works.

Pastor James Biddle (12:59):
Yeah, so we do a free yard sale every year. And our church people start months in advance, saving stuff, collecting stuff. And we, we have everything donated to the church two weeks before cuz we don’t have a lot of storage. And then on a Saturday we’ll set up all these items, televisions, refrigerators, clothing, toys, all donated by our church, family and people. Our church family knows and we give it all away. Every family gets one big ticket item, you know, 30, 40, $50 or higher it’s TVs, computers, printers. Every family gets one big item. And then depending on our stock everybody else who comes in, every person gets 10 items and then they might get five items of clothing. Just depends on how many things are donated and we’ll have hundreds and hundreds of people come to this and we feed ’em and this does cost more.

Pastor James Biddle (13:55):
You’re gonna spend two to $3,000 on food and things like that. And we, we clean every item. We check every item, we check, every zipper. We check. Every button takes a lot of volunteers. This is not a really expensive outreach, but it takes a lot of energy. It takes a lot of manpower and I’d be happy to share more. If they contact me online, I’ll give you all the details, everything that we do, but we give it all away for free. And it’s unlike anything I’ve ever seen. People start calling the office in July, Hey, y’all having a free yard sale because people will wait in line sometimes overnight to get washer’s dryers, things like that. And Daniel that’s the best part at the end when they go through the checkout line where recount, how many items they have, we have a prayer tent. They have to exit through the prayer tent, cuz it’s not just about good deeds. It’s about the good news. And we pray with ’em. And the biggest one we did last time before COVID we had 53 decisions for the Lord through that prayer tent. And it was amazing

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:50):
What a tremendous harvest, what a great blessing that is. And I know every angel in heaven, rejoices when one person gets saved. And so to have 53 come to Jesus in one weekend, what a tremendous blessing. All right, let’s bump it up to the $10,000 level. You had an idea at $10,000. What was

Pastor James Biddle (15:09):
It? Yeah, so we just did this because gas prices are very high. If you’re watching this in the future, I hope gas prices have come down right now. They’re very high. So literally last week for two hours, we advertised it like crazy. And this was not for our church. People we advertised. This is not for you. You have to train your folks. Outreach is not about us. So tell your neighbors, tell your friends, this is invest invite and include. We bought $250 gas cards. And we said the first 200 families that come on campus, you get a free gas card. So they circled around our parking lot. And then we had a free car wash. We washed close to 200 vehicles. We had all of our teenagers out serving. We were washing cars. We have all this food. We were cooking. We have a mobile kitchen.

Pastor James Biddle (15:56):
It’s like a food truck, but you can do it with a grill or anything like that. We fed everybody. We had our outreach center open and it was absolutely amazing. I believe 21 people gave their heart to the Lord in line before they even got into the gate. Five people accepted Jesus as they were waiting in line to even pull into the parking lot. And we just trained our team to connect, connect, to share. And it was amazing, but that that’s a more expensive thing, but, but you can plan to do that even in the future and, and save and budget for those

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:26):
Things. I was thinking that if gas prices go up too much more, it might double your cost to do that outreach.

Pastor James Biddle (16:33):
Yeah. And, and you know, we’ve done that before, but the reason we did $50 is cuz we wanted it to be noticeable. We wanted our community to notice, wow, we wanted the wow factor, not in a prideful way, but in a way that says this church is actually really trying to meet a tangible need. And we were honored to do that. We understand not everybody can do that. We’re honored to be able to do that, but that’s a $10,000 outreach.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:57):
You also have welcome baskets that you give to people. Are, are those for people who visit the church?

Pastor James Biddle (17:03):
Yeah, that’s a great question. So we actually go in and blanket neighborhoods, we’ll find a newer neighborhood that has two to 300 homes in it. And we’ll put together a really, really nice basket. Now they, this is a, an expensive, this is a $10,000 outreach, but you can do this on a much smaller scale. So we’ll go into a neighborhood and we’ll make a really nice 30 to $35 basket. We put a $10 Panera or Chick-fil-A card in there. We put really premium coffee. We put a nice Tumblr. We put some Yankee candle. We put some really premium tea, some Linor chocolates. I mean, we put a lot of nice stuff in these baskets and we’ll take a team of 40 people and we ding and dash, we just set ’em on their door and leave. We don’t knock. We don’t walk around. So this is not an outreach where people get saved, unless you just bump into somebody walking around. But this is a connection outreach. What happens is we’ve had this over and over again, Daniel people will come to our church and they, they were saying, we were just talking about, we need to find a church. We were just praying about a church and we came out and boom, there’s your basket. Every single time we do this, people come to church and it’s a blessing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:10):
I like what you said earlier. You said that good deeds must Al always be accompanied by good news. Yeah. And, and so how do you communicate good news with people? If they come to one of these, one of these things, how do you train your people to share the good news? Yeah.

Pastor James Biddle (18:28):
Pastor Jim’s heart is that we’re moving people forward in the gospel. We’re not, it’s not a social gospel. We’re not just trying to meet needs. So it might be as easy as giving an invite card. That’s okay. Some events we do some outreaches. We do. We’re only allowed to give them an invite card. We turn down opportunities because we can’t invite people to church. We’re not interested in just sponsoring the high school down the road so they can have a better sports field. We want to get people into the kingdom of God. So we train our team thoroughly on to connect to love and, and we teach ’em the Romans road. We teach ’em how to offer, to pray for people. Hey, is there anything I can pray with you about? And that opens so many doors and just be friendly, just be nice and be excited about what God’s doing in your church and at a minimum, give them an invite card at a minimum. Ask if you can pray with them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:19):
That’s awesome. Well, James, it’s so exciting to hear what joy church is doing to, to reach out to the world. And I really love the, the joy to the world that you’re taking joy to the world and, and, and going outside the walls of the church in order to, to minister, to people. And so if you’re listening and you wanna know more about joy church and, and what they’re doing to reach out to people, you can find them at joy, church.net pastor Jim freeze. And I’m sitting here with James Biddle. Thank you so much for being a guest on the evangelism podcast.

Pastor James Biddle (19:56):
Daniel, I’m honored to know you and I love what you’re doing. Keep it up. Keep helping churches keep equipping and empowering, and you’re doing a big thing and you make a difference and we’re honored to be able to share today.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:08):
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Brad Sullivan | Developing a Vision for Your Church

Pastor Brad Sullivan leads Surge Church in Mobile, Alabama. He is a third-generation preacher and he has a heart for reaching his community and the world. In today’s episode you will learn about the power of having a vision.

Brad Sullivan’s Website: https://bradsullivan.org/

Surge Church: http://surgechurch.tv/


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Brad Sullivan leads Surge church in Mobile, Alabama. He is a third generation preacher, and he has a heart for reaching his community and the world. In today’s episode, you will learn about the power of having a vision for your church.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:28):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:53):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest pastor Brad Sullivan from Surge church in Mobile, Alabama. Thank you for being with me today,

Pastor Brad Sullivan (01:07):
Daniel, what a joy it is to be with you. God bless you, man.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:10):
And I so much appreciate you and Surge church. Your church has been supporting me for the last several years. Few years ago, you invited me to come down and, and speak. And ever since you’ve been very faithful in helping us go to different nations around the world and, and preach the gospel. So thank you for sewing seeds into evangelism. Oh,

Pastor Brad Sullivan (01:32):
It’s our pleasure. You’re doing a great job. You’re a great asset to the kingdom of God and your heart, your spirit you’re anointing, we just feel is worth sewing into, and we’re just excited to be a part of the harvest that God is using you to to reap in these last days.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:49):
Your church really believes in reaching out to the community around where you are in, in Mobile, Alabama. Tell me a little bit about the, the philosophy of your church towards soul winning and leading people to Jesus and, and reaching out to the community.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (02:07):
Well, you know our church, we are in an area of west mobile. It’s called the Daws community. It’s about, it’s a bedroom suburban area of mobile, and it’s like two miles outside the city limits. And so we have just over the years, labored a lot in the community. And so we’ve become like a community hub. We we’re blessed to have the acreage, so that helps we have a 20 acre campus. And so, man, my goodness, I don’t, I don’t know where to start. Daniel spent so many years we’ve been laboring in the community, but we started a business network from the local businesses years ago, as in 2011, as a community started really growing more people were moving out west businesses were popping up and one day I just had this, this idea came to me to start a business network.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (02:54):
And we started that. Then we started the dolls community’s Christmas parade and that’s been going now for, in 2012. So I mean, it’s almost 10 years now and it brings out thousands of people. We stage it on the grounds of the church. We’ve worked with the schools our churches of voting center. We have ball fields, baseball fields where local teams and little league teams will use it for practice. We’ve become almost you know, our main auditorium has become an event center for so many like different ceremonies and events. It’s just been, I don’t know because of that though, it’s giving us a lot of influence and it’s given me as a pastor way more influence than I would have just preaching every Sunday inside the walls of the church.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:43):
Now you’re actually a third generation preacher and the church was started by your father, a great man of God at Jerry pastor, Jerry Sullivan. And then a few years ago, he started to pass the church over to you. And now your father has gone on to heaven. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, but you are continuing the church. But in that process of taking over the church, you, you took the old name, which, what was the old name of the church. It was

Pastor Brad Sullivan (04:12):
Living word church,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:13):
Living word church. And, and you switched it over to surge church. Talk to me about that process of rebranding it, why you decided to call it surge church and what type of impact that’s had.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (04:26):
Yeah, well, I took over the church in 2015. I was born and raised raised in the church and traveled, you know, I’ve been traveling in ministry, doing a lot of missions, work myself over the years, but when I became the pastor of the church I, I about even though I grew up in the church and I was established ministry by the time my dad turned it over to me, I was already preaching more than he was anyway. But I just being the pastor, I, I, I waited a few years and a couple years I was just establishing myself as a lead pastor. And then about two years in the Lord began to deal with me about what is this church gonna be in the future? You know, this is what it has been, but what’s it going to be?

Pastor Brad Sullivan (05:07):
What is the vision gonna look like? And so it was about a two year journey, Daniel of just praying, seeking God, writing vision, mission, and values. Because we, we actually didn’t set out to change the name of the church, cuz a lot of times what happens and if there’s any pastors watching, this will be great information. What happens is they’ll fill the need to make a change. And what they’ll do is just change the name of the church, but it’s really the same church. Just put a and just put a new name on it, but what you have to do you want, if you’re gonna change the name of an organization or a business it needs to be born out of the vision, not just slapping a new name on it. It’s gotta be born out of where you’re going. And so we really sought God long time for vision and mission and what our values would be as a church.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (05:51):
And then we read acts 2 42 through 47 hundreds of times during that timeframe about the culture of that first church after Pentecost. And it was something about their life together that we were just like kept focusing on it was their life together. The Bible says, and one night in a dream, the Lord just woke me up and it was like, so clearly their life together created a life beyond limits. And I just sat up in bed. I was like live beyond limits. That’s it. So once we had the it was a arduous two years of just praying and seeking and writing and rewriting vision. Once we came to that live beyond limits, then the very last thing we did was actually choose a name and we kept coming to surge because surge means a rapid increase forward to try to find one word that would encapsulate the phrase live beyond limits.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (06:38):
And I, I would just say though, for any minister pastor or even a business person, I’d be watching, you know, you have to change, you have to adapt and culture, doesn’t ask permission to change. It just changes. And we sometimes are resistant to change, but look, we don’t change. The Bible tells us, Paul said to hold fast to the traditions of your faith. He didn’t say hold fast to the traditions of how you express it. And we have to stay relevant. And relevance is simply the, you know, the permission to speak to the culture. And so our goal was to like, let’s pick a name, let’s have a, let’s simplify the name. You know, we live through the air of Christian centers and outreach centers and all these different fads and all these, you know, really long names. Everything

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:23):
Has like 12 initials.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (07:25):
Exactly. You know,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:26):
And no one knows what it is.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (07:27):
If your church name will not fit on the side of your church van, you might want to consider <laugh>. But anyway, it’s a bad joke. But our, our goal was let’s come up with a name that when Christians ride by, they’re gonna know it’s a church, but when the unchurch drive by, they’re gonna be like, Sege, what is that? And so that was really the essence of it. And so once we did that, then that’s allowed us to now begin to start working on reshaping the culture of the church to fit the, the new era. Well, we still have the DNA of who we were from when my dad founded it. But you know, as the leader now, the next season had to be born outta my spirit. And so that’s what, you know, that’s where surge church was born.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:12):
And I love how you’re describing the process of building the vision. It wasn’t something quick that happened. It’s over a period of time. So talk to me about some of the elements of your vision and then how that drives the, the ministry that the church does.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (08:29):
Well, it’s all based upon that phrase, living beyond limits, it’s encouraging people that you can have a surge. It’s funny, Daniel it’s like once we I, I took me a while to, to, to land on surge because we were, we were researching words that would, you know, kind of encapsulate live beyond limits. Surge just kept popping up because it means a rapid increase forward. Well, my wife loved it immediately. It took me some months, but I just wanted to have a witness because, you know, when you’re changing the name of something and my dad at the time was still on staff with us and he was fully behind what we were doing, but you only got one shot to make it right. It can be a hu big, it can blow up in your face. So I wanted it to be a God thing, not just a, a theme we were doing.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (09:09):
And but we didn’t know that it was gonna be a surge of C <laugh> and a surge surge became a buzzword for all the wrong reasons, you know, but it really is just based upon that live beyond limits to tell people, you know, your life can change. It doesn’t have to stay the same. You can break through to another level. You can experience a surge of God’s power and grace in your life. And so, you know, when we re re just kind of established a vision statement, we try to repeat our vision in as much as we can. And I would’ve really encouraged leaders. Don’t, don’t apologize for repeating your vision over and over whether or not.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:44):
So what’s your vision?

Pastor Brad Sullivan (09:46):
Well, our vision is the whole statement. I should be able to give that to you about heart, but I did notice you have surge church website up in your web browser. If we go to that and you’re putting me on the spot here but our, we envision a church that is changing lives through the message and power of Jesus Christ and making disciples to live beyond limits something along those lines, look at it. How close was I? We envisioned a church that’s changing lives to the message of power of Jesus Christ and mobilizing. I missed that one believers to empire our community and the world by living life beyond their limits. So I, I was really close. And so

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:23):
You have to repeat the vision over and over again until people even in the church say, ah, pastor, we’re tired of hearing it so much, but you just keep repeating it and, and drawing pictures of it and, and communicating.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (10:37):
Yeah, I think pictures are really huge after we a couple of a few months after we, we, and we made it a big deal. I mean, we went, we swung for the fence when we rebranded and, and did the launch, we kind of kept it a secret. We kept promoting something big’s coming. So we already had the legal, all the legal things done in the background. It wasn’t just like doing business as living word church. It was, it was changed legally. It was the, actually the, the, we, we trademarked the name and the logo and the icon. I mean, we did, we did all of our bases covered before we launched. Cuz what happens is a lot of times you see it in churches, they have nightmare scenarios where they I know one going around the mountain to your question, but this is just good information because what happens is in some cases, men will, pastors will change the name of their church and then there’ll be some type of trademark issue or whatever.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (11:28):
And then they have to go back and change it again. And so we made sure we had every T cross, every I dotted, I would really encourage people for you thinking about changing your business name or your church name to make sure you have all the legal things done before you announce it. So we went really big, but shortly thereafter though, Daniel, we came, we came up with a picture and we took our past and it showed our church back in the old days, our present where we are now, and then just a picture of this auditorium with huge screens and everything, our future. And just the, and it’s just for the point of showing people that, you know what, we’re, we’re gonna surge. We’re gonna keep moving forward and everything. We thank God for our past. We appreciate our present by, Hey, we’re, we’re not gonna say satisfied.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (12:10):
We’re gonna keep moving forward towards our future. And you know, when Abraham was struggling with his vision, what did God tell him to do? He said, look up and count the stars. And if you can number them, so will your descendants be? And so one of the things that we try to tell our people and I tell leaders this a lot when it comes to vision is that, Hey God, when God speaks, he doesn’t just use words, pictures come out of his mouth as well, because he understands the value of a picture because picture conveys a vision. You know, when Joseph dreamed of rulership, he saw a picture of it. And so if you don’t get a picture of your, of your future, your present might be permanent. And so we tell our church, look, that’s not, we’re not satisfied with that. We want, we want to do more, be more, make a more impact, reach more people. So we’re not gonna be just sit here and be satisfied with where we are.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:59):
I believe that every pastor should do at least one mission trip every year, just to see what God is doing in different countries around the world, just to get a feel for the, the amazing thing that God is doing overseas. And also that helps to, to season their preach and giving them some good stories to share and casting out demons. And, and, and I know that you have a heart permiss missions and you’ve done a lot of traveling to different parts of the world. Where are some of the places that you’ve done out outreaches

Pastor Brad Sullivan (13:29):
To? Well, I mean, I’ve traveled ex I’ve been to India nine times, Philippines, eight times. I’ve been in Africa four, five times. I’ve been to Europe Singapore, Hong Kong, central America, south America. So I’ve been on five of the seven continents. And I think too, for a pastor, one of the things that’s so valuable to get outside of your world is because what happens is we grow up in certain cultural, a Christian cultural context. And I, I, one day several years ago I was preaching Daniel in Singapore at a spirit filled Filipino Anglican church. It was like, go figure. And it’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:16):
The amazing thing is God works the same in every culture.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (14:19):
Exactly spirit filled Filipino Anglican church in Singapore. And you just sit back and think, you know, who would’ve, I would’ve never even thought it that exists, but it just goes to show you that the church is huge. It comes in all shapes and sizes and colors. Jesus is the head of the church and he has an amazing way of weaving this tapestry of diversity into the global unified body of Christ. And I think that’s so valuable for a pastor because you’re talking about vision and leading your church forward. You know, the church is so big. It’s bigger than what you, you may know, it’s bigger than what you’re used to. It’s bigger than what you, his maybe culturally have seen church as. And you know what, you can grow, you learn from it, you grow from it and it’s, it’s, it expands you. And if the leader isn’t expanded, then he’s not gonna be able to bring, you know, visionary thinking to his congregation.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:18):
Being a pastor right now is extremely difficult. The world has just gone through C, which had lots of challenges. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> there are lots of disagreements politically, and then you have economic challenges and there there’s so many demands and, and, and pools on a pastor. What advice would you give to other pastors to stay strong and to, and continue in their calling in the midst of what really is, is a very difficult task.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (15:52):
We have the saying in our church, Daniel, that we repeat so much, actually I repeat it more than the vision statement or, or our vision because it’s just a great reminder. It’s very simple, but it is very profound and it’s almost becoming ingrained in our congregation’s mentality. And we’ve actually just recently put it on the sticker form for people to take, but it’s wake up, be faithful and go to bed. And if you’ll just,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:17):
If you just do that for 40 or 50 years, you’ll make it. If you’ll

Pastor Brad Sullivan (16:21):
Just get up and be faithful, now you can get up and be faithful just to be stuck in your routines. But if you’ll be faithful to do what God’s told you to do, and every season, you know, you’re gonna look back and find out, you’ve come a long way. You know Noah had to build an arc for a long time, but he finished, you know, Charles Spurgeon once said by perseverance, the snails made it to the arc. You know, it’s kind of a funny Quip of, of conveying a powerful principle, but I would say, you know, just stay, stay fateful, stay the course, and, but be willing to adapt and to change. The fact is, again, things change, culture changes. You can sit here and say, well, what people ought to be doing, or you can find ways to go adapt so that you can reach people where they are.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (17:06):
You know, you can even fight it and lose, or you can, again, you’re not compromising your message or beliefs. You’re just showing an adaptability. COVID forced everybody to adapt. And so after we, after we changed our church over to surge and look here, we are about two and a half years in as surge. We’re still building what surge is going to be trying to reshape a culture around that, that whole thing. But a few months after that, I told some of our team members one day before a service and a team huddle, I said, look, guys, we made change our name again to CCC with constantly changing church. And I only said that as a, just as a joke, but serious joke to put in their minds that you know what, we’re not gonna be blessed. God, <laugh>, we shall not be moved from the you know, we we’re gonna change whatever needs to be changed.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (17:56):
And this is where I would encourage any leader, whether you’re a business leader or pastor or whatever, if you’re leading anything that is be married to your vision, do not be married to your strategies. You know, what, what happens to churches when they get stuck in this? Like going back into the eighties when it’s 20, 22 is because for so long, they’ve been married to their strategy. How we do it, bless God, this is how we’re gonna do it. But what that shows is you’re not married to your vision. You’re married to your strategy of how you do something. But when that strategy no longer works, you have to be willing to divorce it and get a new strategy. You never divorce your vision. You marry your vision, but you need to divorce strategies and be, get rid of things. If it doesn’t work, get rid of it.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (18:42):
You know? And, and be honest with people like that way. Sometimes I think pastors flight, they have egg on their face. They’re like, Hey, we’re gonna try this if, but don’t work, don’t work. You know, that way you’re up front. And it shows people, it gives people confidence in you that, Hey, you’re willing to blaze the new trails. You’re willing to push forward. You’re willing to try new things and they’ll, they’ll buy in with you and they’ll support it. And I think that’s powerful and just making tweaks and, and making improvements, solve, finding ways that you can improve even down to the way your building looks, find a little thing. That’s just, it might be something small, but every so often they come in, they see something different. I think it’s important. You know, Walmart, I don’t know if you know this, but Walmart changes the shade of blue in their buildings and stuff, you know, in their logo every so many years.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (19:26):
And it’s so subtle that you wouldn’t even be like, oh wait, it’s a different blue. It’s just a subconscious. It just shows you that they’re changing. They’re adapting. They’re, they’re willing to tweak anything right down to, we’re gonna tweak the color blue. You know what I’m saying? And I think as pastor, sometimes because we, we, we hold fast to our, our doctrine sound doctrine and, and, and the word of God, but we don’t have to express it the same way all the time. You know, we can find new ways to express it, new ways to get it out, just like you’re doing with technology.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:59):
And we’re looking to reach a new generation. So we use whatever tools and ideas that communicate the best with a new generation.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (20:08):
Absolutely. Absolutely. And pull your kids in on it. You know, I think that’s important. You know, my, when we were rebranding the surge, my kids were young. They’re 16 and 11 now, but they were a little younger then they kept it a secret, you know, <laugh>, I was shocked. They were able to keep it a secret until we had the big reveal one Sunday, but I, I had them pulled in on the logo designs, what colors, you know, us making them a part of it because you know, kids today are much more brand conscious because they’re on Instagram, they’re own TikTok. They, and so they’re really brand conscious down to how things look, how things are supposed to look what looks good, what doesn’t look good. And so I would get their opinions. Even at that younger, like 13 years old, I was getting my son’s opinion.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (20:54):
You know, what, what do you think of this? You know, because very brand conscious. And so, Hey, you know, there’s a business side to church, right? And so I think branding is important. And when you have a brand, you, you, you really promote that brand. But then we have to I think what we try to communicate, well, our team is that there’s a brand, then there’s a brand experience. That is what people, when, when they may come to your church because they see a brand, right. But when they come, they need to have, what, what is the brand experience you’re gonna have? And the brand experience will either create brand loyalty or they’ll, you know? So it’s kinda like when Amazon came out back in the day, no one knew what Amazon was. They thought it was like the, the Amazon river in south America. Right. But when people started liking Amazon later, they put that smile in their logo. What they, that was, they were, they were, they were conveying a brand experience that people were having. And and that created brand loyalty. And so I know that doesn’t sound spiritual and churchy, but it’s practical. And I think in a post COVID world, it’s important to think like that so that, yeah,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:04):
I think every church should look at everything they’re doing in through the eyes of a new visitor, rather than someone who’s already been there forever. They already know where to park. They already know where to take their kids to nursery. They already know what sit their seat. They’re gonna sit in, but a new visitor may not know where the restroom is. So you need to put up a sign so that they can find the restroom and find the nursery. And, and if a church can think through that and create, like you’re saying the brand experience, that they feel comfortable all the way through

Pastor Brad Sullivan (22:37):
That’s right. And that’s kind of a business way of saying, saying it, but it’s just the truth. I mean, this is how businesses think. And I know Walmart takes a lot of hits from people, you know, there’s jokes about Walmart, but Walmart’s pretty, if you look at ’em, they’re very impressive. Our local Walmart right down the street from our church had me come a few years ago. I think it was like 2018 when they launched the new online story. And I, and I, I gave a talk in a debt prayer of dedication for the first day of the grand opening, but I was just kind of seeing the process, seeing their plans. I was blown away. And it showed me that, that you know, Walmart was not going to let Amazon get the best of them. They were staying ahead of the curve. They’re like, all right, if Amazon’s delivering, we’re gonna deliver. Now, you can’t even rent a minivan or a 15 passenger van anywhere because Walmart, Amazon have ’em all rent <laugh>, but it just showed me, Walmart was willing to be on the cutting edge and change and adapt where other businesses weren’t, you know, it was like, who would’ve thought that Kodak would’ve ever ceased to exist, but Instagram put ’em out of business, you know, or, you know

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:42):
Yeah, I think I read that Kodak had the opportunity to be, have one of the first digital cameras and decided not to, because they thought it will hurt our business. If we allow digital pictures. And now everybody takes digital pictures and Kodak is nowhere to be found. That’s

Pastor Brad Sullivan (24:00):
Right. And, you know, look at blockbuster, remember back in the day, you, you had to be kind and rewind. You had a 50 cent charge. If you didn’t rewind your VHS, but I mean, Netflix on streaming and you know what it, when, when, when society change, when culture change and the church refuses to change, church is shut down and there’s a lot of churches that are shutting down. And so you have to be like, Hey, this is God’s ministry. And we got to adapt. We gotta learn. We gotta grow. We gotta do better. And we’ve gotta be forward thinking. And, you know, a pastor has to think, you know, you know, a decade down the road, you know, all the, you asked me earlier about influence and things that we’re doing. We’re about to launch a food ministry outreach in our, in our, in, through our church that we actually are hoping to grow it, to become something that can be mobile. It can move around our community. We could set up and do few distributions and prayer tents and things like that for, to reach people and to help people. But you know, I have been laboring in the community outside of, you know, just,

Pastor Brad Sullivan (25:12):
Just, even in a civic way for so long that I, I, I really started heavy in 2011. And then when I started the Christmas and it sounds crazy a Christmas parade, but man, that parade has been so successful, brings out so many thousands of people it’s given me so much influence. And, but it’s been years of doing this and it wasn’t, I didn’t do it in a way that, you know, cuz sometimes preachers are famous for trying to wor get people into their church. I just did it for the love of community. I didn’t do it in any way to, to try to, to use it as a tool of gaining people in our church. We, we, but it was just sewing and sewing and sewing into the community. Now I’m reaping the influence of it. I mean, politicians line up to try to get into our church when it’s election season, you know, I mean, it’s just, it’s been really remarkable to see how the influence is just in the last year and a half, just really blossomed across the city really. But it’s just been those years of sewing and, and for, for a pastor, he has to think long term like that a 10 year strategy or a, you know, what’s he anyway.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:14):
Yeah. You don’t wanna do something that makes the whole community mad at you. You wanna reach out, even if people don’t agree with you, reach out and be serve the community, be a blessing

Pastor Brad Sullivan (26:24):
That’s right. And if you just love them and win ’em with win them with kindness and generosity and serve <affirmative> they’ll, it’ll prove for them that you’re legit and that you’re genuine and that you’re doing it for the good of everyone, not just, Hey, been a community, prosperous, a church prosperous. And I just think that there, you know, and I even had a word from a pastor a few years ago, said that the Lord’s saying that he’s gonna give you influence with politicians. And I’m like, okay. I mean, it’s happening, you know, and I don’t even know what the end game of that is. It’s just, you know, but there’s still value for a pastor. You know, back in the day, a church was the cornerstone of its community. It was the meeting place. It was the community center. The pastor was respected.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (27:10):
His voice meant something. And that’s been taken away in society today. And if we can find unique ways to get that back, there’s still something to have an influence with politicians, to have an influence in the community, to be a voice and a figure in your community as a pastor, that’s a big deal in today’s world. And you just have to find a unique way in our community. We are outside the city limits just outside. So we could build that in that suburban area. Other people, you meant to find a different way of doing it, but there’s ways of, of getting your influence in the, in the community that just preaching every Sunday to, to the same people is not gonna, is not going to acquire that kind of influence.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:53):
Well, I really appreciate your insight. Absolutely tremendous. And if you wanna find out more information about pastor Brad Sullivan or invite him to come speak at your church, go check out surge church.tv, and you can find out more information about him and, and I just so much appreciate you and your church. Again, thank you for supporting king ministries and helping us to go to different nations around the world. You guys are much appreciated and thank

Pastor Brad Sullivan (28:20):
You. Thank you, Daniel. And whenever we, we announce in church, you know, when we talk about the, the different ministries we do it regularly, the missions outreaches that we support. I mean, almost every time when we mention Daniel King ministries, applause breaks out because people see what you’re doing and we appreciate it and we love you. And I would, I’m also available for leadership talk. So if anybody would be interested in talking about these things and talking through these things for churches, and I would be glad to glad to do that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:49):
Awesome. Thank you for being on the evangelism podcast.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (28:52):
You Daniel, God bless you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:53):
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Roberts Liardon | The Evangelistic Heart of God’s Generals

Roberts Liardon is the author of God’s Generals. He is a church historian who studies why great men and women of God succeeded and why some failed. Today we talk about how God’s Generals were used in the area of evangelism.

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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Roberts Liardon is the author of God’s Generals. He is a church historian who studies why great men and women of God succeeded and why some failed. Today we talk about how God’s generals were used in the area of evangelism.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:29):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:53):
Welcome to evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King. And I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest Roberts Liardon. He is the author of God’s Generals, a whole series of books about great men and women of God. And he looks at why they succeeded and why they failed. Roberts, It’s wonderful to have you with us today. It’s good to be with all of you. I’m excited to be here and to be a part of the podcast. It’s wonderful. So we are very thankful for your life in ministry. My wife, Jessica Shen King, she actually went to your Bible school out California student. Yes. Spirit Life Bible College. Yeah. And I think she arrived when she was just 17 years old. So she was very young and, and she was trained up in your ministry, learned how to pray in the holy spirit, learned how to preach the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:47):
And then she, after she graduated, she got sent out on a couple of church plants that you’re you’re you’re of church plants that your, your, your church was sending out. And then you did operation 500 and you sent out missionaries to countries all over the world, which greatest thing I’ve done so far in my life that, that part Albert island is probably the most significant thing. Cause the Lord spoke to me, send your graduates overseas and pay for it. It’s one thing to send to everybody, but they have to raise their own money. But we raised millions to send 500 and their families all overseas and stayed for a year. Some would stay for two, but she was a part of that young. And my wife told me that she, she never really felt called to missions, but she got caught up in the peer pressure.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:32):
All her friends were going to the mission field. Yeah. And she said that at that time you were teaching that every Christian should at least give a year to the mission field. And I still believe that <laugh> absolutely. If the Mormons can do it, if I, we, Christians can do it too, you know? Yeah. And so she just got caught up in it and she got sent to India. All her friends got to go to Indonesia, which she really wanted to go to Indonesia cuz there was a Starbucks there, but she got sent to India when she landed in India, she only had $20 in her pocket and she went to your mission space. And the first thing they did, they put her on her train and said we booked you a Bible school to preach at. And she went with a friend on a train hours and days across India and they got to the Bible school and they told her you’re gonna be teaching three times a day for the next seven days.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:27):
And she had never preached or taught anything before. Well how’d she do? Well, I guess she did well. So there she was, she was in India with your ministry and about six months into it, she was laying on a concrete floor, just a thin mattress. The electricity had gone off. And so the, the fan was not working. She had 60 mosquito bites on her body. Oh Lord. And she was just thinking, I, if I can just get through my hero ministry, I can go back to the United States, be a worship leader at some church somewhere <laugh>. And God spoke to her that night and said, Jessica, this is the life that I’ve called you too. And so she was excited because God had spoken to her, but also like, God I’ve got mosquito bites all over, but she was obedient to the voice of God. And so she got up the next morning and she emailed her leadership at operation 500 and said, I commit to come back for a second year. Wow. And she’s been working in missions ever since. And so I actually met her on the mission field after she was with you. She went with pastor Peter younger. Great evangelist. Yeah. And I actually met her at one of his precincts, but I never would’ve met her if she hadn’t obeyed the, the voice Robert’s letter to go to the, the mission field.

Roberts Liardon (04:46):
My, my view then, and now is Bible school students. The hardest day is the day they graduate. What are we gonna do? And whether most of those students, I knew were not called to be in full-time missionary work, but they could go for a year and start with doing that. And they’ll make, ’em a better Christian, a better American and everything. And these kind of stories. I hear all the time. Cause we had some backlash, I didn’t pause. And I said, you’re going, or you can leave the school. That’s how strong it was. And it was the, the greatest thing I did and it changed all their lives. And most of ’em came back and began to work in churches or build churches, became the missions directors of the churches. So it was exciting to see the fruit. And I should say to all the students who they’re watching and to your wife, when I go overseas to preach, I meet people that the students who got saved Spirit-filled, healed, delivered, kept a person manipul every single time. So some of those students may not realize that they were out there working, but the fruit of it still remains. The people they got saved are still saying the pastor’s still preaching. And that’s, that’s exciting to see it. Wasn’t a waste of the year and a waste of millions of dollars.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:53):
Well, it continues to bear fruit in my, in my wife’s life. For sure. So thank you. So let’s talk about God’s generals. You’ve written some amazing books. Let’s start at the beginning. What made you be interested in studying the lives of these great men and women of God?

Roberts Liardon (06:12):
Well, I hadn’t encounter with Jesus. It kind of started the whole thing, but then I became intrigued in a very passionate way. Why did God choose this person? And then if you did, what was their call? What did they do? How did their life live? What was if they let a revival? What happened after revival was over, not just the revival, what happened to their life? And it begin me on a journey to know these people. In the days I started writing and teaching God’s generals, nobody cared about revival history, or these people. We would know captain Coleman’s name or Smith Wigglesworth name. And they didn’t care like today. There is a huge move of people in Christian that want to know. But when I started writing and studying, nobody cared. The older people I would interview would cry sometimes because I was the first one who ever asked ’em about what they saw, who they were with.

Roberts Liardon (07:02):
And, and, and they would give all this memory. And then they would give me stuff, pictures, artifacts, and things from the person or the reliable movement. And I began a collection by accident of all that stuff. But that’s how it, it began. It became cause the Lord told me, studied the lives of my generals, know why they succeed and why they will fail because they’ll come a generation will want to know what I will show you if you’ll do what I tell you to do. And so that was the opening line of that visitation. And so I did my part study meant read books, study meant talk to people, study meant hunting a fact down that may take you six months to find, but you gotta hunt it down. And I understood the word study because in my family, there was three of us going to school, my sister and I, and my mother, she was working on her master’s and her doctorate eventually. And so we were always in libraries. And so that helped me. Cause now we do it on our phones and computers back then you had to go to the library, do the card catalog, go find the book microfish was the big new thing. And so that’s where I began. And it has grown into the books and the teachings around the world.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:11):
Now your mother was at the the Oral Roberts University, Holy Spirit library. Is that right?

Roberts Liardon (08:17):
Yes. She, she, she and my dad went there the year. The university opened in 65. I was born in 66. She graduated from there and then she went back and worked at the university in the medical library during the city of faith time period. She cause she was in the LRC, the, the library, I had access to the holy spirit research center. So I would go up there. And in those days I could say, I touched every book in that library cuz I looked at it or read it. And I, they hired me to be one of the librarians in the summer. Cause I knew more about the collection than the librarian did. So, you know, that’s how detailed I was and they would call, they would even call me after I don’t during the school. Yeah. I go back to school, they had to call me and say know, where’s this at? Or what story is this? And they were still using my understanding and that’s where they discovered me and began to have me teach at 15 in their seminary as a special guest on the generals.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:08):
So when I was going to oral Roberts university, I worked for the holy spirit library. Oh God. And so this was years after you and you had donated a bunch of your material, your cassette tapes to the library. And so my job actually, I was paid to do this, to listen to cassette tapes and then write up a short synopsis so that they could catalog. Can you do that for me? And so I did that for hundreds of your tapes and your resources, so, okay. I, even though I didn’t go to your Bible school, I, I listened to a bunch of people. Wow. That’s great.

Roberts Liardon (09:38):
I didn’t know that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:40):
Yeah. So let’s talk about God’s generals, okay. Specifically in the area of evangelism. And so I’m an evangelist. My, my passion is telling people about Jesus and you’ve looked at these through several different prisms and, and looking at why they’re successful, but let’s, let’s focus in on the evangelistic aspect of the ministries and let’s just start going down through them. Where, where would you like to start? What,

Roberts Liardon (10:05):
Well, let me just say this as an opening, everybody in my series was a personal soul winner. So part of being a great leader, there is that aspect that they all have that. And even when they’re famous, they still do that. So that I’ll get that as an opening statement. So we’re gonna be a great evangelist or a great Christian. We haven’t have to be a soul winner and it’s a part of our lifestyle. It’s not just something we put on. It’s something that we live and that’s how it was. So who would you wanna talk about? I’ll let you choose.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:31):
Well, let’s start with your, your first book. My first one. Okay. With the, the, I would say these are the, the holy spirit empowered evangelist. And so talk about John Alexander Dowie what, what made him successful as an evangelist?

Roberts Liardon (10:45):
Well, John Alexander Dowie used healing to bring many souls to Christ. He back was 18 hundreds Australia when the first began to happen and there was a plague going through Australia, like the pandemic kind of thing, but a little bit more intense. And a little baby was dying. A child was dying and he was called to pray for, and he got healed and that began his healing ministry. And he realized that healing brought all kinds of people to Christ and he’d used that. So that would be the way that he began, his salvation kind of ministry was that the healing gift came and worked. And remember back then we didn’t believe in healing back then we known it was possible. So he was kind of the pioneer of that in a very large way. And that he brought thousands of Christ through the miracles. And that’s what, how he did it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:33):
What about Marie Woodworth-Etter

Roberts Liardon (11:37):
Well, she’s another wonderful lady. Back when women preachers were not as acceptable as they are today. And she again had a, she had a tent and she traveled around central parts of the central states of America and then, you know, other places, but mainly the central part. And she would get up and do tint preaching, go into a town, set up a tent and start with 20 people or whatever, and then grow to a couple thousand or whatever it was. And she also had a unique demonstration of the spirit of her life, where the Holy Spirit would hit the room and people would go into TRAs, both believers and nonbelievers, the park, I just hit ’em and and then miracles too. So she was very adamant about giving alter calls that that was the first and most needful miracle in a person’s life, which she had all that aspect. But she was one of those two preachers back in the day when it was really rough and tough.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:30):
What about FF Bosworth? Healing evangelist,

Roberts Liardon (12:34):
Brother Bosworth. I mean, everyone we were speaking about has used healing. Was it re to rich? I think said that heating is the dinner bell of salvation. And so if you understand what dinner bells are, you’re on a farm and it’s time for dinner and you’re out in the fields and you hit the bell, you all come in to have dinner. And so the dinner bell to salvation was healing where people saw the healing. And so Bosworth was very successful. He actually got healed himself. He was sick and died and he was on a train to go see his family goes, he thought I’m gonna be dead in just a few months. I wanna see my family and gets healed and he didn’t know any other brother that believed in it. And he found one of Dow’s magazines and ah, there’s somebody.

Roberts Liardon (13:17):
And so he goes to Zion to see Dowie. And so long story short, he gets involved, learns the heating ministry, becomes a Pentecost, all that, and becomes very successful in his, his salvation. And it gave us back healing, brought people to the Lord. And I’d have to say that it seems to be one of the most effective ways that I’ve seen historically that salvation comes when somebody that is crippled and they saw it or they knew it and now they’re not, it opens their heart. It opens their mind to accept the thought that Christ is real. And I need him and it’s one of the most people and Jesus was a healer. He was a healer and a deliver. And, and so healing is a big part of bringing people to salvation and

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:01):
Philip, the evangelist acts chapter eight. Yeah. He had miracles as part of his ministry. Yeah. In, in reaching the, the city in Samaria there. So I had a great conversation with T.L. Osborn about how he started doing mass prayer for the healing. Yeah. And before Dr. Osborn, he said, no one was doing that. And it actually came out of a conversation that he had with FF Bosworth cuz William Braham was holding a campaign. And for some reason Braham was not able to come. So FF Bosworth was doing it and he invited TL Osborne as a young man to come and to participate in it with him. And so they were having a conversation in, in, in Bosworth had this idea. What, what if we prayed for all the sick at the same time? Because at that time I think Braham was bringing people up one on one. He would lay him

Roberts Liardon (14:58):
Three, four o’clock in the morning. He was exhausted. Poor guy. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:02):
And, and so, so Bosworth had the idea. He says, you know, if we, if we give a altar call for salvation, explain how Jesus saves and then pray a prayer with them. How many of them would be saved? And Dr. Osborne said, well, all of them would, could be saved. And he says, well, if we invite all the sick up, do a mass, explain to them how Jesus can heal and then do a mass prayer for them. How many of them can be healed? And, and so they they, he planted this idea int Osborne’s mind. Mm. And so then Dr. Osborne was going to Jamaica and he was doing a crusade there. And they were trying to lay hands individually on each person, but there were just too many people. So then he had idea. I said, I’m gonna use Gordon Lindsay’s idea and give a ticket to each person, a prayer card. And he gave that to the police to distribute. But a couple days later he found out it wasn’t working cuz the police were actually selling the carts <laugh> so he said, that’s not good. Good story. Yeah.

Roberts Liardon (16:10):

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:10):
<Laugh> and, and, and so then he said, I’m gonna try Bosworth’s idea. And so he prayed a mass prayer for the sick and many people were healed that night and that became his modus operandi throughout his entire ministry. And, and then Dr. Osborne, his example has trickled down to the body Christ. Now everybody does it. Yeah,

Roberts Liardon (16:29):
I am. It it’s great. I mean, brother Bosworth wrote the great book called Christ. He had the classic book on divine healing. Everybody should read it, they don’t have it. But Osborne was the, to me, he was one of the greats that America did not know, like they would know or Roberts and they should have, but he spent his life in the unreached people, groups of the world and his assistant son-in-law in those days, Jerry Odel told me the story that he went into, he blind school and every one of the people were healed and he brought him the crusade and the whole town was changed. And so this is healing and evangelism. And I think it’s very powerful that we continue to, but I always loved the story. He went to the blind school and we all were healed. Have you got through preaching, praying just for them. And it changed. We need that again.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:17):
Amen. And it’s coming again. Yeah. Okay. Let’s talk about Aimee Semple McPherson. Oh

Roberts Liardon (17:23):
Well you can great

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:23):

Roberts Liardon (17:24):
Event. You can spend hours on her. She was a soul winner Parx salon. And she was out to get people saved. She was a personal soul winner. And then she and her crew saved and she was mainly, well again, the heating factor was the draw that brought people. And then she also used her preaching skills for art of skills, cuz she says, people are not a degree entertained. They’re not gonna come back and they’re not gonna listen. So she was very dramatic in the way that she would speak and teach, which brought people’s attention. And then she trusted that what she said and the holy spirit would move on them. She was probably the Billy Graham of her day. Cause most people would, would know him and relate to the science crowds of America. And she went overseas a lot too, but her evangelism, she in LA, she would knock on doors, send her students out to do personal evangelism door to door and things like, like that. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:20):
Now I, I remember sitting in some of your classes on God’s generals and, and you talked about Angela temple, which she built and she did very elaborate production sometimes to attract call illustrated sermon. What were, what were some of those illustrated sermons

Roberts Liardon (18:36):
She would do illustrated sermons on Sunday nights and Hollywood would come to see what new things she was doing. So they could put into the new industry called film or movies. And so she would do like, for example, she’d do Jonah in the whale. So they created a big whale and she’d dress up like and walk out of the mouth of the whale in the stage. She would do Noah’s arc. And this was the funny one she brought, she, she knew the zookeeper of LA. So she had some of the animals from the zoo come in and was a part of the stage set, live animals and a Parro began to cuss right in the middle of her sermon. And so she turns around and tries to convert the parrot from being a bad cussing person. The crowd loved it. So she did things like that. She also had special days like the war started happening war two, she’d have military day and all the soldiers would come and they’d feed ’em and love them and talk. So she did specialized preaching for specialized groups. And so she that’s how she’d do it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:35):
You have a book which you call the revivalist mm-hmm <affirmative> and it deals with D.L. Moody Billy Graham, Finney and some of the other earlier evangelists and the name of the book, you have it subtitled the revivalist. And so I was, I wondered, why did you name it? The revivalist instead of the evangelist Finney talked a lot about revival mm-hmm <affirmative> but Billy Graham probably wouldn’t call himself a revivalist. He probably would’ve said I’m an evangelist.

Roberts Liardon (20:05):
Yep. That’s what they were, whether they called themselves that or not. That’s why I called. So the, these guys you just mentioned did not work in healing like the group we just talked about. Yeah. So when you really church history, rev, reliable history, you’ve got two powerful groups. You’ve got those who believe what we call healing evangelism, which is more the scriptural of how things are done with Christ and the apostles heating, brought people to the church or to Christ. They were many just salvation preacher. They came and just preached the cross and your commitment to him. And it worked, there was an, an onion for that. That was Billy Graham. But these were all different characters. DL moody is one of my favorite in the book. Cause he, he was not really a guy that should have made it. He was called a country Bunkin he was, he talked funny.

Roberts Liardon (20:53):
He was probably dyslexic in some ways, because the reason why they call him the greatest layman, because he never would allow himself to be ordained because he couldn’t pass the catechism or the, the membership course to get in. And so he said, if I can’t pass it, then I’m not gonna take it. So he never really was ordained, but never a real preacher, never over, he had a tremendous impact. He preached, I think to a hundred million people before he died. Wow. Billy Graham preached at 215 million before he died. I don’t know. That includes in person that doesn’t include the TV world. And there were fewer people back then than there are today. So you, you know, deal died in 1899. And he preached that many in the 18 hundreds in person. So that’s a lot of work and big campaigns. One night he was preaching in, in Chicago where he was living and a child and a man got saved.

Roberts Liardon (21:42):
There’s only two people got saved that night. And so he was still left in the building and the janitor was sweeping. And so they started talking and he goes, I’m really disappointed. I only got, you know, two people, you know, saved. And the, the, the guy the, the janitor said, no, you got one and a half. He said, oh, I guess you, the child was the hand. He goes, no, it’s the way around that. Guy’s already half dead. That’s a whole life there. And that changed his view to even child evangelism. And I think there’s a need for that in our discussion and in our life today of child evangelism things catered to the children of their age understanding. So they can come to Christ when they’re still young. And he was a part of that. And, and doing that early in his ministry.

Roberts Liardon (22:25):
What about Jonathan Edwards? Well, he was the first grade awakening. He was a, he was an intellectual that did not resist or oppose the work of the spirit, many intellectuals because they’re academically sharp. They have a hard time relating to the manifest or the work of the spirit. He defended it. And so he was a, a man that God used. He actually his famous sermon sinner in the hands of an angry God was an accidental moment. He had preached that sermon Sunday of four and nobody reacted. It was just like, oh, whatever. So he goes out to a minister’s gatherer, another church and they ask him to preach. And I don’t think he was scheduled, but he had his notes from that sermon in his little horse section and pulled it out and began to preach it. And it’s, he began to preach. They beginning to wa and cry and grab a hold of the post.

Roberts Liardon (23:18):
Cause they thought they were dying and going to hell. And it helped birth that second wave of the great awakening and thousands came to Lord. George Whitefield and Jonathan Edwards that early era helped America become Christian. George Whitfield was the Billy Graham of the colonial era. He was more popular than the founding fathers and many of the things that he said in his sermons, the founding father’s papers would quote him or say it like the phrase we have on our money. One nation under God, George would, would get up and preach 10, 20, some 30,000 people. And he’d always declared that this is one nation under God, and it becomes the slogan on our money. And in many of our national documents, it came from a revivalist preacher who said, this shall be, and it became that and became our slogan. But those two guys helped America become Christian.

Roberts Liardon (24:13):
And in that moment with George Whitefield he carved out in the American conscience that we want a righteous Christian evangelist next to the president. Those two have always been up. You can see our day, the person’s in that office of Billy Graham. You go back and see Billy Sunday. There are generations who didn’t have that guy, but when we did, it was a better country, but there was that place that right next to the president, we want that men or woman of God. And, and we need to pray that it gets filled in this time. Cause

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:46):
I love the story about Ben Benjamin Franklin, who was friends with George Whitefield . Although Ben Franklin never necessarily became a, a believer. But he knew that Whitfield was good at receiving an offering. And so there’s a story about how he went to hear him preach, but he left his purse at home cuz he says, I’m not giving in the offering. And George Whitfield did such a good job asking people to give towards an orphanage that he had this turn to the person next to him and borrowed money to put in offering.

Roberts Liardon (25:19):
That’s great. Yeah. That, that’s true. Ben Frank and, and then we’re friends. The reason why we have George Whitfield sermons is because Ben Franklin tri in the newspaper and that’s where we got him today because not way to been lost to history.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:34):
Okay. Frances Asbury, is he in one of your books? Yeah,

Roberts Liardon (25:37):
He’s in the revivalist book. Asbury was one of the most significant men in American history. He was head of the Methodist revival movement here and the revival of the Methodist church. He rode horses everywhere. He was at days of the circuitt writer, preachers. And he would go and teach to somebody’s house. Or that’s three people. He might have a, another meeting of 25 people. You don’t have what you call the large crowd, but you have his consistently working the fields of harvest, which is a different kind of evangelism a ministry. Now he did have some, but not on the scale of Whitefield or Edwards, but he was significant in making sure the gospel went. As America began to go west, it had to go. And he was a part of, of doing that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:26):
Charles fitty

Roberts Liardon (26:27):
Well, he could talk about him all day long. He’s he’s called a father of American evangelism. Revalism he came along at a time when we have a doctrine problem. Calvinistic belief that some have been chosen to be saved and others are not. So if you weren’t chosen by God to be, there’s no hope for you, but you don’t know. So you Haveli the Christian life just in case you were chosen so stupid. And so that’s kind of, I’m simplified. That’s kind of what they believed. Finn comes along. He was a lawyer who gotten insane and he had that lawyer mine. So he would preach to make the case. And so he keep on and said, it’s not that God won’t save you. It’s you go, won’t choose it. So it’s your will versus God’s will. So he broke the back of that feeding up this way.

Roberts Liardon (27:12):
If you were told your whole life, Daniel, you can never go to heaven. God didn’t choose you. And that’s what the preacher said. And you accepted that and you didn’t want to be lost. You wanted to be a part of God’s family, but for some reason you weren’t good enough. And then here comes Finn and says, that’s not true. It’s available to every man, if you will choose it, if you will accept it, when that happened, all those who had been rejected. Got it. And they held it dear. That’s why 85% of his converts stayed true to their conviction of salvation through their life. That’s better than Billy Graham or Roberts combined together. And, and Charles fitty would have, he that one of the secrets of his evangelism and revivalism was a guy named father Nash’s prayer warrior. And he would go into a town or an area and pray. And then when he felt like it broke it, though, he would send notice his time to come and Charles would come and have the, the revival meetings. So part of our mass evangelism has to be that prayer work in the spirit done before. So I hope that our evangels that are watching realize, you know, we can organize it. We can plan it. We can advertise. It’s all great. But don’t forget the spiritual work that’s required more so than some of the natural.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:29):
Yeah. I like what Reinhard Bonnke said, you need prayer and evangelism. They’re like two legs. You pray. And then you evangelize, you pray. And then you evangelize. If you’re only doing one or the other, it’s like hopping into one leg, you won’t go anywhere. It’s

Roberts Liardon (28:42):

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:43):
What about William Booth is a great

Roberts Liardon (28:46):
Salvation army army out of all the revival movements that I would like to have been part of it would’ve been that one and I’m a pentecostal so people go, oh, but William and Catherine Booth the salvation army in the eight middle, 18 years. Amazing. they were well, he, they met and dated through letters, him and his wife, Catherine, and she was sickly. So she stayed home. Most of her childhood and would do school from home and read lots of Christian books, Vinnie books, pur and early church pur and fathers, and became very astute in those ways. They get married and they get kicked outta the Methodist church because they, you love the, because they can’t bringing the wrong kind of people to church. Now, in those days you bought your pew, like the Smiths bought this pew, the Jones bought this. So you had your pew.

Roberts Liardon (29:35):
And so the pastor was telling, well, bring some more people to church you want to grow. And so they begin to bring the drunks, the hookers, meet to church and, and put on their row. Well, these people didn’t know how to be in church, so they would drink or eat. And they’d say to the one guy said the pastor, can you say that again? Freak out the whole church. So they were told by the pastor eventually quit bringing these kind of people to church. And that’s not the kind that we want. And it so offended them that they, you know, left and begin to do other things outside the structure. And it ended up in a tent meeting in east London that turned into salvation army and a Salvationist was one that went after soul’s first and utmost. And we both believed in healing, but he, he wrote a book on faith healings or a rare book, but he wrote one and cause one of his kids was in Zion with Dowing.

Roberts Liardon (30:32):
So he knew about all that. He said, I I’m not a, the book I read of his he’s for it believes it. He goes, but I’m not gonna do anything to overs shed of the preaching of salvation. That’s why he viewed it. And he changed the world by the gospel. The reason why people are a little awed with him is because he had social justice and salvation combined together. For example, the reason why we have a 10 o’clock break in our work in an afternoon, they call him tea breaks in England was because of him in the army. He saw people that were working 8, 10, 12 hours without a break. So that’s not right. So he began to fight and change the law. Then he noticed the little kids were working, you know, little eight, 19 year olds at the same time in bad conditions, got the child labor loss that we obey today comes from salvation army. So you have that aspect of it. He believed if a man’s stomach was empty, he can’t hear the gospel, give him the sandwich and then he’ll get saved. And so that was one of his philosophies. This other was when you go to a town, find the worst center and get them safe first and all the rest to come in. And that’s really how it worked.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (31:42):
I think merging social justice with evangelism would really appeal to today’s generation. Yeah. Which is very concerned about many social justice

Roberts Liardon (31:52):
Issues. The only thing with that is you cannot let social justice take first place. The gospel is first and social justice is second. And so I, I, I I’ll say it this way. I see how the enemy can flip that to where the enemy still stays in charge of controlling people’s lives. We feed them, we help them, but we don’t put the gospel first. So we need to be careful that as we do social justice and it stays second to the salvation of the soul,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:20):
Let’s talk about some of the people that you knew personally. What was it that made men of God like Lester Summerall or Roberts so effective in their ministries?

Roberts Liardon (32:32):
Well, one, they, they knew that was what they were called to do. And they had a surety about it. If you don’t have an absolute surety, if you are, then you will never rise to that. What I call the big platform you’ll rise to some other platform. It’ll be nice, but the surety or Robertson, but there was some, all, both knew who they were, what they were called to do. Now, they were called differently, but they had the same surety about that. And I don’t see that as strong in our generation, we have a lot, oh, I wanna be a preacher. Like I get it. But there has to come that absolute charity one is that they were also people that went for the whole world or Roberts was an evangelist. Some of was more of an episode. He built churches and did evangelism, but he did more things than brother Roberts or Roberts became the more popular one because of he did evangelism, but he went after it. And he knew it was there. He trusted God. And they all knew how to fight the devil, which a lot of times we don’t talk about, but if you don’t fight him, he will take over or begin to influence. So you have to always be on a war footing against darkness.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (33:45):
You’ve studied the sweep of church history and seen evangelism in the lives of all of these great men and women of God, their, their techniques, how they minister to people and how they delivered the gospel. And what do you think God wants to do in today’s time? Look, looking at the sweep of history and, and how God has moved evangelistically and brought people into the kingdom over history. Bring that into today. What, what do you think God wants to do today? Well,

Roberts Liardon (34:18):
I think we, we have to learn how to evangelize in a highly developed modern culture, which we’ve not done too well. We’re, we’re good with one on one food and bring ’em to the gospel. The big crusades like you do in parts of the world. The crusades find that don’t work here in the states. I mean, you can do ’em but you don’t get the same result

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:39):
And they’re super expensive.

Roberts Liardon (34:41):
<Laugh> I guess it’s true. So I think there’s a shift coming. I call it people, group missionaries, people, group evangelism. I see that today’s world America has become a mission field. In my lifetime, we’ve gone from a Christian nation to a nation that needs missionaries sent to her. So let the Africans come let the Koreans come let the people come to help us, but we’re gonna have to all evangelize.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:06):
Yeah. God told me the mission field shall become a mission force.

Roberts Liardon (35:10):
Yes, we, and come, come help us in America.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:13):
We need your

Roberts Liardon (35:13):
Help. We sewed our young men and women. Now it’s time to reap succumb. And, and when they come, you’re like Africans, when you come here, don’t become American. Pray like an African move. Like we need that fire kind of thing. But people group missionaries this, I think the same way that you’re called to the feel like you are. There are people in America, in churches who may not be called to India, but they’re called to a people group in our society here. For example, there’s the red hat lady society. There are UN wet mothers. There’s single fathers. There’s all kinds of people, groups. There’s the tattoo people. There’s the trans people today. We got all kinds of people, groups and the same way we receive calls to go to the nations. I believe the call to go to a people group is going to be the thing.

Roberts Liardon (35:58):
We’ll see rise in the highly developed modern cultures. And that way Evangelism is done by everybody. And everybody has a significant type of placement. Now, when you does that make sense? The people are no, you have to realize two folks. There are groups that have a taboo attached to them. Things that they do that’ll make the church go. Hmm. Now church, everybody Christ died for the taboo weirdos and the normal people he died for. All of everybody has a right to hear the gospel, do not come against people who God calls to go to the gay community or the trans community or the drug community where there’s taboos. Sometimes I’ve seen people go into these groups and well, what are you doing? Or you’re agree with them. You, you can’t expect to harvest until a seed of sun and you have to have enough guts to walk across these lines that have stigma and taboo attached.

Roberts Liardon (36:52):
So, so they can get safe like the gay community. You know, why is it so hostile? Well, it’ll probably be, cause the Jerry Falwell generation understood what was happening, that this was going on and they didn’t stay on their knee long enough to find a strategy, to help them get safe. All they did was dam and condemned and we have this hostility and that’s why it’s dark in that community and why there’s a resistance to the gospel because of how it was done in the seventies and so forth. It was, it was over reaction without the compassion and the strategy of God to bring hope, salvation and healing. And so the, when you walk across that line, the church should encourage you. The church should support you. If that’s your people group that you’re called to, you have to allow some people groups move faster toward the gospel.

Roberts Liardon (37:39):
Others are slow just like on the mission field. So you have to give people room and not persecute them. My joke is you need two shields of faith. If you go to a people group with taboo, need one in front, you need one behind goes, the church will keep from behind and the folks will coming from the front so you can go through it. But I think that’s, what’s coming. I already see it happening, but we need to preach it more. And we cannot be afraid to be a missionary to a people group that has a taboo until someone sews the gospel seat, there never can be a harvest and they keep getting darker because people won’t cross that border. For example, if you go to Newin priest to the naked people, nobody America gets mad about that. They’ll give you more money, go, go for it.

Roberts Liardon (38:23):
And, and, but you go to a people group with a cultural taboo, and they’ll almost kill you. It should be the same attitude from the beginning for these people. And so the enemy is going to try to keep that stirred up so that we won’t go there. But I always look for the people that are going to the rough folks in our society and encourage them and support them because they’re doing evangelism in this first class nations. The reason why like Africa, like Nigeria, there’s a great revival there today. One reason why everybody goes, cause they haven’t nothing else to do. I mean, part of the problem with our abortion culture is we have so many distractions and so many stuff going on and our little phones and everything. Some of the people in these parts of the world, they don’t have that. So the crusades and things work because I can’t go to a movie. There’s no movie Houser. Let’s go see Daniel. And so not on Belinda. It’s understand. There’s a difference. So when we come into this culture, we’re gonna have to learn how to, to deal with media and what I call the people group

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:25):
Missionaries. Yeah. Everyone’s spending time on TikTok and Facebook. And so you gotta go where they’re at.

Roberts Liardon (39:30):
Yeah. I can see a date. I don’t like anything that I’m about to say. So everybody understand this is I see the date coming when church will be online and people will come to special events in the west because they’re so busy. They don’t want to, they can watch the line. Now I don’t like that. I want you together. I want you to be there in person. But if that’s what’s coming, we need to get the shot of this and make sure that our media is sharp. It’s together. It’s organized. We can capture those people.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:58):
So what advice would you give to evangelists that are wondering how to succeed and how to avoid failing?

Roberts Liardon (40:05):
One thing don’t forget to preach across in Jesus and all you’re preaching. It’s amazing. Well, you start out preaching the simplest gospel message and then, and myself included this producing you’re preaching everything else, but that, and that’s what that message is a power to salvation. And don’t forget to preach the gospel in all you’re preaching is one of the big things. Cause then you’ll lose soul saving and the miracles won’t be, he confirms his word with signs following and that’s miracles. And that’s also salvation. So that’d be one to always have a follow up plan. When you have a baby, you can’t just leave it on the curb it’ll die. So we have to have an attitude and God will have different ways of doing it with different people. There’s not just one method, but a follow up program or a placement program. For those that get saved. Now what somebody in your big crew saves, it’s probably a little more challenging to take care of. At least the effort is made and see Africa should have been saved a long time ago. As many of these crews aids have gone there from here, the fifties,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:07):
And many of the nations in Africa actually have a higher percentage of Christians than here in America. Yeah.

Roberts Liardon (41:12):
Yeah. And they’re actually great. But, but the thing is the discipleship of the Christian life

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:18):

Roberts Liardon (41:18):
Was, was weak in, in years. But today in Africa, a new, the great church is now alongside the great crusade. And that did happen. I was in Nigeria back in when I was in my thirties. And the Lord said, you will not come back to Africa until the church is as big as the crusade. Well, I didn’t know. I thought I’m never going back to Africa. So I went back about four or five years ago to Nigeria and to Ghana. And I saw churches as big as a crusade. I preached in a church that has a hundred thousand seats in it. That’s a big deal, a church, a building, but that’s not the biggest church in Nigeria. That’s just a biggest building. The redeem church about 2 million people or so.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:04):
Yeah, I’ve been to their church building. It’s bigger than a football field. It just goes on and on and on. Yeah.

Roberts Liardon (42:09):
It’s, it’s amazing. So you see that and this to me is exciting because now when people get saved, they’re gonna be discipled in those churches. And that was a weakness years ago, even in the Osborn era, they didn’t have strong churches in those. They did the crusades, people got saved, but the, the, the growth of the gospel or the steadiness of the gospel, wasn’t as strong as it is today, which is a great sign.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:33):
Well, brother Roberts, thank you for being on the evangelism podcast. Loved it. So wonderful to get your insights into these great men and women of God. And I’d encourage you. Go get the God’s General’s books by Roberts Laden. It will be a tremendous blessing to you and you’ll learn so much more about these great men and what I’ve

Roberts Liardon (42:52):
God, thank you for having me Daniel on, tell your wife a big hello for me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:54):
Thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:56):
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Bryan Citrin | Ministering on the University Campus

Evangelist Bryan Citrin describes how he tells people about Jesus on an unreached mission field – the university campus.

Website: supportbrian.org


Bryan Citrin (00:03):
My name is Bryan Citrin. I discovered that I had a gift of the evangelism of my life because everywhere I go everywhere, I’ve gone as, as a kid. And even now I feel compelled to talk to people. And so God is putting in me a national tenacity to talk to strangers. And when I find myself talking to these strangers, I always somehow,uwant to turn the conversation spiritual because I realize that I might be the first genuine Christian they ever met. And this might be my time. This might be my hour to share a gospel with them. And if I don’t in some way, add value to them, I may never see them again. And they may never have another chance.

Bryan Citrin (00:37):
I’ve done a lot of mission to work in Haiti. And the work that I’ve done there is we work with a children’s home in the village of Fondue. And when we’re there, what we do is we help sponsor education scholarships to locals in the village, as well as invest in economic development. We put on church services for the locals. We also put on different feeding programs in the evenings on this last trip. We brought 28 people down to Haiti. This is my 13th trip to go down to this village. And it’s really exciting because we go to the same place over time. And so we’re able to see these kids grow up and see very real change in their life as we’re to pour them spiritually as we help them financially. And spend time with them.

Bryan Citrin (01:23):
I am a missionary that’s completely donor backed by a team of people across the country,uwhether it’s individuals, churches, or organizations. And so since I joined the mission field in 2009, I have been backed a hundred percent by donors and people can get, come on board and be a part of my support team by visiting my website, which is www.supportbrian.Org.

Bryan Citrin (01:46):
The way I am reaching people on the university campus is through weekly church services, weekly prayer meetings. We have weekly Bible studies. We also have weekly outreach events, whether it is an official event that we had planned on like a Friday night or an unofficial event. But one of the really, really important ways to really connect with students on a weekly basis is through our weekly outreach tables. And so multiple times a week, we have different tables on campus where we’re giving out free books. We might be giving out free coffee or bagels and it’s whatever, whatever it is, we’re looking for different ways that we can give out something to these students and serve the general population. But also while we’re serving the students, we’re building genuine relationships with them. And through these relationships, we’re able to then invite them to different hangout events, invite them to church services and just invite them to do life with us, cuz people like to hang out with people they’re friends with.

Bryan Citrin (02:41):
And so we really are striving to seek genuine relationships with these college students. I would say the main key for reaching people on the university campus is being very, very intentional about caring for them as an individual, instead of just seeing them as like a number amongst the masses of unsafe people on the college campus, taking a very intentional interest in getting to know them as a person and in reaching out to them and inviting them to, to hang out and be a part of your life. Students come from all 50 states are represented and there’s over 150 nations actually on the campus. UCLA is one of the most populated campuses in terms of international students. I feel the most strategic mission field in terms of reaching people from other countries is actually the United States because over 70% of the world’s future leaders are already here in United States studying on our campuses.

Bryan Citrin (03:34):
And so we’ve seen students from Saudi Arabia, students from China, students from Japan, Brazil, and all over the world, get involved in our ministry and come to our church services. I remember a few years ago I was hanging out near campus and I saw some students from Saudi Arabia and I was able to connect with these students from Saudi Arabia and invite them to some of our events. And and through that, they connected me to a student from Japan. And if you guys, I don’t know if you’re familiar with this, but Japan is one of the most secular nations in the world. And so he connected me to his Japanese friend and I invited him to this Thanksgiving outreach that we had. And he ended up coming and bringing a bunch of his friends. But but through that experience, he started coming to our weekly church services and he started bringing his friends and he became a Christian.

Bryan Citrin (04:23):
Many of his friends became a Christian and at one service, we had nine people from Japan sitting in a row right next to me. And it’s all because, you know, I connected with these Saudi raving students and then, and reached out even farther and asked if they knew anybody else that might be interested in getting involved in some events, the best technique for approaching people in terms of talking about something spiritual is that I like to ask people what their spiritual background is. That is such an UN offensive term because some people they might have been turned off by the church. They might be turned off by the term Christianity, but when you ask somebody what their spiritual background is, first off, I might be a Zen Buddhist for all they know. And so if they were offended by a Christian in the past, that is, you know, that doesn’t tie you over into who I am as a person.

Bryan Citrin (05:13):
And so I ask them what their spiritual background is and just continue to ask them questions because people love to talk about themself and, and, and I ask them questions. I can kind of get a feel for what they believe in where they’re at. And then through that, then I can then invite them to one of our events or invite them to a service in a non offensive way of inviting them. Because I, I kind of know a little bit about them as a person, I would say one of the most challenging things that I’ve ever experienced on campus is because as we’ve been on the campus for a long time and, and we have longevity on the campus. And so we’re there every single week on the campus, administering the students, serving the community. But sometimes people come in that don’t really, you know, wanna work with the local body of Christ on the campus.

Bryan Citrin (05:56):
And they just come in for a day and, and cause a ruckus and they might come in and they’re, they may be like cussing everybody out or, or like yelling at everybody. And there’s like a huge mob of angry college students in the center or campus. And then we’re at our weekly outreach table that just happens to be right next to the angry mob when the someone’s on like this angry, you know, campus ran tour. And then we didn’t have to pick other pieces after they leave. And then they may be turned off by Christianity because they might have said something that didn’t really reflect the gospel, but, or even more so their method wasn’t necessarily rooted in love. Now what they may be saying may be true, but it’s not necessarily tactful. And so it’s, it’s not necessarily what you say, but it’s also how you say it.

Bryan Citrin (06:42):
And it’s important that we’re spirit led in evangelism because you can say the very same message in two different ways and have two very different results. Yeah. I would just like to challenge each and every one of you, that’s watching this video to be very, very intentional about evangelism because we are all called to be evangelists. God is just looking for people that are willing to position themself in the right place at the right time to talk to the right person. And one thing that I’ve found on UCLA campus that has been very effective is just going into the union and grabbing some food and, and just praying to God and ask who I should sit next to. And just being led by the holy spirit, because not one time as someone said, no, I can’t sit next to him. And so I would just go and find somebody even by themself and ask if I can join him for lunch.

Bryan Citrin (07:28):
And instantly at that moment, I have a one on one with them because they’re eating, I’m eating and, and they’re gonna be there for 20 minutes. I’m gonna be there for 20 minutes. And at that point, I just ask them questions about themself because people love to talk about themself, but they never get an opportunity to really talk about themselves because everyone else is so busy talking about themself. So by showing a genuine interest in somebody and just ask them questions enables me to, to develop that relationship with this stranger, but then invite them to an event that we might have.


Matthew Helland | Prophetic Evangelism in the Red Light District of Amsterdam

Matthew Helland reaches out to prostitutes in the Red Light District of Amsterdam using prophetic evangelism. On this episode of The Evangelism Podcast you will learn how to activate the gift of prophecy in your life as an evangelist.

Website: http://www.prophesyandheal.com



Matthew Helland (00:03):
Hello. My name is Matthew Helen, and together with my wife, we are pastors to the men and women who work in Amsterdam, red light district sex industry. Well my wife and I, we planted our church in Amsterdam. And last year we handed that over to our associate pastors. And now we’re focusing primarily on, on working with people who work in the red light district there in Amsterdam, primarily Spanish speaking, men and women who are there in that industry. And aside from that, I do a lot of training. I do a lot of training and I do a lot of traveling training churches and individuals, how to grow in prophetic ministry, how to grow in words of knowledge, how to grow in, in healing and what I like to call power of evangelism. In fact, recently I just published my first book, which is prophecy and heal, the sick, how to grow in prophecy, words of knowledge, healing, and power of evangelism.

Matthew Helland (00:56):
So this is about seven years that I’ve been experiencing growing and training in this. This is, these are testimonies about how God has used me in Europe, how God has used me in different parts of the world, but also stories about how God’s power has, has, has changed my life. Beginning with my, my testimony, my birth, I, I was born with cerebral palsy. I was never supposed to walk or talk. I should be sitting in a wheelchair, but when I was six months old, my aunt in California sent to prayer cloth from California to Chile, the country where I was born in, and my mother sewed it to my pajamas in a, within a one month’s time, I was totally healed cerebral palsy. So the, the story of, of divine healing and that God heals begins with my birth. And I can only say with great gratefulness to God that he healed me and that I’m alive is, is simply a miracle sign and wonder, I, I am a sign and wonder, and I, I really believe that signs and wonders should always always follow.

Matthew Helland (02:01):
Whenever we preach and teach about knowing Jesus, you call it prophetic evangelism. I like to call it power evangelism because it’s using not just the prophetic, but also words of knowledge healing using the gifts of the spirit to be, to be able to initiate an encounter with somebody in, in Holland most people on the street do not believe in God. I think that’s pretty general. Most people in Europe do not believe in God, specifically in Western Europe because they are so well off and they think they do not need God. So this leads me that many times when I go to the street, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll ask people and I’ll say, Hey, can I tell you what I see in you? Or do you have any pain in your body? And being able to initiate a conversation with a word of knowledge that’s accurate, or with a, with a healing, just makes it a lot more easy to talk about Jesus Christ, to individuals who otherwise think they don’t need Jesus Christ and are not interested in him.

Matthew Helland (02:59):
I think one of the best examples of this is going to psychic fairs. What I’ve seen in the last 10 to 15 years is that there’s been a huge change in Europe. And I think this is, I know this is the United States as well, is that there are people who want some people call ’em secular mystics or, or spiritual atheists. They don’t believe in God, but they believe in something. And the, the whole thing about atheism has kind of lost its luster because now there’s, there’s a huge generation of young people in Holland, for example, who are, have a good education, good jobs, but are burnt out because they have no purpose for their lives. And so what I’ve seen is that many times when, when I talk to strangers on the street and I’m able to use a healing or a word of knowledge for their life than it, just so much easier to be able to share more about Jesus because and, and I think what’s real important here also is just to define a few, a few terms.

Matthew Helland (04:01):
When you say prophecy prophecy, a lot of people don’t understand prophecy. They have an old Testament paradigm of prophecy that prophecy is, is, is an old Testament profit with a big sticks and you repent or, or, or, or you’re good to hell. That is not a new Testament paradigm for prophetic ministry or evangelistic ministry. Instead new Testament prophecy, according to first Corinthians 14, three is strengthening, encouraging and comforting people. According to revelations, 1910 prophecies all about worshiping God for the, the spirit or the heart of, of, of prophecy is testifying or the testimony of Jesus. So when I speak about doing prophetic ministry, I’m, I’m speaking about reflecting Jesus to people and, and listening to Jesus and listening to them and, and seeing how God can open doors and open hearts to be able to demonstrate, not just talk about, but demonstrate the reality of Jesus Christ, old Testament, prophecy the, the prophet, it was only certain individuals who could hear the voice of God only at certain moments.

Matthew Helland (05:10):
And again, the old Testament was a lot more bringing judgment such as Jonah saying, you’ve got, you know, a month or, or more to repent. And then destruction is coming. Also in the old Testament, if a profit ever made a mistake, he needed to be stoned. Fortunately, the new Testament, we find that everybody can prophesy. And when I say prophecy prophesy, I’m not just talking about telling the future because foretelling is a legitimate part of the prophetic ministry, but also forthtelling or telling what the heart or the mind of God is. So in the new Testament, we see that whenever someone stands up to, to prophesy, according to first Corinthians 14, it says that everybody should test and judge first Teston five, 19 through 21 speaks about testing, prophetic words and holding onto what’s from God or holding onto what is good and whatever we don’t understand, we leave on the side.

Matthew Helland (06:03):
So once again, there there’s a total different paradigm that we have between the old Testament and new Testament prophecy, just like there is a totally different paradigm between the old covenant and the new covenant. And what we find is according to acts two 17 and 18, Peter stands up and says that in the last days, God will pour out his spirit upon all flesh and all sons and daughters, everybody servants. So the wealthy, the poor, they can all prophesy. They can all hear God’s voice and give other people messages from God. So it’s real important that everybody realize that hearing God’s voice is not just for certain individuals, but everybody who is a son or daughter of God can hear God’s voice. Because Jesus said that he is our good shepherd and that the sheep hear his voice. He calls us by name.

Matthew Helland (06:53):
So this ability to hear the voice of God is something that’s very important for everybody to cultivate and everybody to, to, to learn. If they truly want to be able to follow Jesus, I, I understand that people are, couldn’t be afraid of false prophets. But just like there’s false profits. There are real profits. And there are also false teachers. There’s also false pastors. There’s, there’s all kinds of false things, but so what’s important to realize is that the, if there’s a false, that means that there’s also a real in each, in these ego chapter 13, verse five, we read a very important differentiation between false profits and real profits. And here he’s actually condemning the false profits. And this is what he says. You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel, so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord.

Matthew Helland (07:45):
So here we see three things that false prophets we’re not doing that all true profits are called to do the first thing that says you have not gone up to the breaches in the wall. That’s a picture of standing in the gap or being an intercessor. That’s a person who stands in, in a wall and says the enemy’s not gonna come in. And if they come in, they come over my dead body. So a true prophet is somebody who’s gonna pray. I I’ve heard it said that every, every prophet is an intercessor. Not every intercesor is a prophet, but every prophet is an intercessor. And it’s, it’s truly through prayer. In fact, all mature prophets that I know are, are men and women who are, are great men and women of, of, of prayer. And this means that we’re not interested in, in, in, in raising up our own ego.

Matthew Helland (08:32):
In fact, the greatest prophet of the new Testament, John, the Baptist said, Jesus must become greater and I must become less. So it’s not about making ourselves greater. It’s about making Jesus great. And because I spend time with Jesus, I get to hear his voice just like I spend time with my wife or with my children. I know when it’s their voice. I know when it’s them talking. So it’s, it’s normal to hear the voice of Jesus. And, and even like, for example, the pastel, John, what was he known for? He was known for laying his head on the chest of Jesus. And that’s where we find our authority. It’s an intimacy with God. It’s the intimacy with God, hearing his voice, studying the Bible, fasting, praying. These are all things that we develop the, our intimacy with Lord in order to develop our identity, that we are sons and daughters of God.

Matthew Helland (09:24):
And through developing that identity, we grown spiritual authority. So that it’s, it’s something that’s rooted and grounded in a love relationship with God. In fact, no one should prophesy if they don’t love God and love people and also love themselves. So the first mark of a true prophet is that their, their ancestors, secondly, it says stand in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel. It’s real important that the, the prophetic ministry has to do with, with restoration and repairing and healing healing in the body of Christ. In fact, it’s very clear in, in first Corinthians 14 that the prophetic ministries and ministry that builds up. And if there’s anything that the church needs today is we need individuals who build up the church, who, who love the church. And a true pro true prophet will bring restoration, will bring love.

Matthew Helland (10:18):
In fact, I, I even know true prophets, one of a friend of mine, his name’s on Beto. When he first began his prophetic ministry, he used to pick people out in the audience and say, you there, you’re committing adultery, come repent. You there you’re on drugs, come repent. God wants to change your life. And God really told him he had to stop that because the new Testament ministry of prophecy is not to bring condemnation, but it’s to bring mercy and it’s to bring love. It’s the ring healing. And, and this is why people that perhaps have a prophetic gift who have not been mentored, who have not been trained. They make big mistakes, but, but the Bibles seriously says here that a true prophet will, will stand in the breach for other people will bring reparation healing restoration so that, so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord.

Matthew Helland (11:09):
The third thing that they do is is that they prepare people and they create a safe place where they can be nurtured, where they can grow, but also so that they can fight the battles. Where do we find this? We find this also in first Timothy one 18 that says Timothy, my son fight the, the good battle that was given to you. In fact, let me take a moment and just read that so we can see the context of this. What’s so amazing about this is that the Bible, the new Testament is full of references to, to the prophetic ministry and full of scriptures that a lot of people have read over or never seen because because this is a ministry that unfortunately is not well understood today. This is what it says, Timothy, my son, I’m giving you this command and keeping what the prophecies once made about you, so that by recalling them, you may fight the battle.

Matthew Helland (12:06):
Well, and to be honest with you, every one of us have had moments in our lives where we’ve had difficulties and we had not known what to do. And it’s been somebody that’s called us or prayed for us that have, has given us a strength to continue to, to battle, to, to, to fight the good fight. One of my favorite examples is, is a young woman who is in Amsterdam. And I, I told her, God says, Europe welcomes you. You are welcome to Europe. And the next week she was in London in the airport and they said, sorry, you don’t have the right visa. You can’t come into Europe. And she was taken to a little back room in the back and she started taking her fist and started saying, Europe welcomes me, Europe welcomes me, Europe welcomes me, Europe welcomes me. And five minutes later, somebody from immigration comes and says, you don’t have the right visa, but welcome to Europe.

Matthew Helland (12:55):
And that’s just a, a great example of how a true prophetic word, a word from God enables us and not only brings healing but it also gives us a strength to fight the good fights the, the battles that God has for us. Yeah. I, along with many other people differentiate different levels of the prophetic ministry. And we can find this, first of all, that the spirit of prophecy, we find this in revelations chapter 19 verse 10, where it speaks about that the, the, the, the heart of ministry worship God for the, the, the, the, the spirit of prophecy is testimony of Jesus. And we find in places such as in first Samuel chapter 10, first, Samuel, I believe is 19 where Saul would come into a, a school of prophets or a group of profits. And he would begin to prophesy.

Matthew Helland (13:47):
Well, in fact, in one of those accounts, three soldiers who wanna come get David, they run into that group and they start prophesying. And so at this level, this, this basic level, the spirit of prophecy, anybody can prophesy again. Another biblical example is first Corinthians 14, where it says, when everybody in the church is prophesying, somebody will come in from the street that’s that doesn’t know Christ. They will prophesy the, the, the secrets of their hearts. Then they will fall on their knees and say, God is truly among you. And the way that the spirit of prophecy is activated, and I’ve seen this many times is whenever there is like just a strong spirit of worship, where everybody just feels like the presence of God is tangible, and it’s easy for everybody to get a picture or a word from God.

Matthew Helland (14:35):
But the second place where I’ve seen the spirit of prophecy be activated is whenever you have someone like me or someone who has a strong, prophetic gift and they say, okay, guys, we are, we are gonna ask God for a picture. We’re gonna ask God for a word. I think the classic example I like to tell is, is I went to youth group once in Holland is when I was looking at all of them. I came to speak about prophecy, and everybody kind of looked at me as if I had a, like a third eye on my forehead, like pro what’s wrong with him. So anyways, I, I tried to explain prophecy and, and before I, I even started one young woman, I brought with me she had her arms crossed like this, and she said, I want to know if God really exists.

Matthew Helland (15:18):
You know, so I I saw that there was no faith in the room, but as there was no faith in the room, I just stepped out and I started prophesying. And I, I pre that over everybody in the room and eyes in the room popped open as God began to speak to me, give words from their past their president and their future. And that the faith level in that room shot up. So high that by the end of the evening, the woman who, who was saying, I wanna know if God really exists. She was getting pictures and words from God. And she had tears running down her face and she was experiencing God. And like a week or two later, I got to baptize her in water, which, which is wonderful. But the, the crazy thing about this is that there were even people there that, that were were Muslims were from other faiths and Jesus was speaking to him as well.

Matthew Helland (16:06):
And so this is what is so cool. God is always speaking, but we’re not always listening. And whenever there is a, a strong pro anointing or presence of God, then it’s very possible that the, the spirit of prophecy can be there so that everybody there can hear God’s voice. The second level of prophecy is, is, is the gift of prophecy. Now this is found in first Corinthians 12, where it speaks about nine different gifts of the holy spirit. And what’s real important to hear also to realize that it’s not, that we own a gift or have a gift. It’s more, that God is a generous God who likes to give gifts through us. And the, the cool thing about this is that if, if you have a gift of prophecy which by the way, many times, all of these different gifts run together, one with the other, because I never know when I’m necessarily giving a word of knowledge or a word about the future or a healing or discernment of spirits.

Matthew Helland (17:01):
But what what’s cool about this is that I don’t need worship music to give a prophetic word. I can be on the street at a supermarket Walmart at a quick trip at a, at, at a brothel in the red light district. I can be at a psychic fair among people doing a bunch of witchcraft and things. And I can deliver a word from God to people, and I don’t need a special anointing or, or, or anything special like that. So that’s, that’s the gift of the prophecy is that you, you can deliver a word from God at any moment at any time, and you don’t need a special set of conditions. Now, just because you may have a gift of prophecy does not make you a profit. In fact, there are many people that have that God uses with a gift of prophecy, but they’re, they’re not primarily called to be a prophet.

Matthew Helland (17:49):
They’re called to be a teacher or a pastor or a businessman because these are not limited just to people in, in full-time ministry. What is a profit? A profit is someone who can operate at a higher level of authority. It’s important here. And, and this is really important that I say this right now, is that when you first start stepping out and growing in the gift of prophecy, you need to just focus on first Corinthians 14, three, which says strengthening, encouraging, and comforting people just strengthen, encouraging comfort people. Don’t tell them who they’re gonna marry. Don’t tell ’em when they’re gonna die. Don’t tell them how many kids they’re gonna have don’t. And especially, don’t say, God told me you’ve gotta marry me, because that can be very manipulative. And that could be God, but it also could be your own desire.

Matthew Helland (18:37):
But back to the, the difference, the levels there has been much manipulation. And in fact, I, I write in my book about charismatic witchcraft. When people try to get their own will done by using God’s name, we wanna avoid this. And how do we avoid this? Just have people focus on, on strengthening, encouraging comforting people. God says, I love you. God says, you’re my dearly beloved son. That’s a word that’s always right. That’s a word that you can always give to people. And I’ve seen people in, in Budapest and Barcelona and Amsterdam and Kiev and major cities of Europe begin to cry because people are not used to hearing the love of God. And the ministry of prophet is a ministry of loving people. It’s a ministry of, of, of, of giving God’s truth in his words, in, in a way that’s loving.

Matthew Helland (19:24):
Now back to the ministry of, of, of, of the prophet there are many prophets who do not call themselves prophets, and that’s okay, because all a prophet is, is a friend of God. But whoever is called to the ministry of a prophet will be able to function at high levels of, of telling the future that can happen. Spiritual warfare, bringing breakthrough. In fact, this is one of the things that the ministry of the prophet does. The ministry of the prophet brings breakthrough into a place. We planted many churches in this region of, of Oklahoma, Missouri of Arkansas. And I remember my brother would get a prophet to come and travel with him. And that prophet would bring breakthrough and the supernatural would breakthrough mightily. And, and I have seen how, when I deliver a word from God to somebody, and I don’t know anything about him, a great example of this, I just found out about this last week.

Matthew Helland (20:20):
But last year I was here briefly and I walked to a man and I started telling him all about his business and what God was gonna use him for. And what I did not know was that God had given an idea for a business and he’d lined up all of the financing, but that weekend he’d prayed and said, God, I need to know if you want me to do this or not. And then he happened to meet me. And I happened to turn to him and start, describe to him exactly what his business was, what he was planning and what God was gonna do. And he has since then launched that business. And again, I knew nothing about that business, but I allowed God to use me as a mouthpiece because that is what a prophet is. He’s a mouthpiece, he’s the hands and feet of, of God to the world.

Matthew Helland (21:09):
And actually this is something that, that God caused all of us to be his friends and, and being able to share his words and his power to the people around us. I, I believe with all my heart and, and the way that I define prophecy, not just telling the future, but strengthening, encouraging comforting people. I believe with all my heart, that everybody who’s a follower of Christ can hear God’s voice and everybody can can prophesy. I think that the, the best way to explain it, or, or give an example of it is my own children. Last week where at IHOP and house of pancakes, and I had everybody in IHOP go ahead and sing happy birthday to my son. And he just wanted to climb under the table like, oh, they’re singing happy birthday to me. And then two people came and gave him $20 bills.

Matthew Helland (21:53):
And he looked at me and said, dad, let’s go prophesy over ’em. And, and for my kids, it’s very normal to be, to, to, to get a word from God or a picture from God to people and go strength and encourage and comfort them. And so the way that, that, that I break down in fact, why don’t I just do it now, if you open up your Bible to the book of Proverbs chapter four here we see three classic ways that you can hear God’s voice and that you can deliver a word to somebody else. Proverbs chapter four verse 20 says my son pay attention to what I say, turn your ear to my words. The first way that we prophesy is knowing God’s word is scripture. In fact, I say to everybody, you wanna prophesy, read your Bible, pray every day, growing that intimacy with the Lord, don’t be a lazy person who just needs to go to a prophet to get a word from God every day, God speaks to me through his word.

Matthew Helland (22:48):
So the first way that we prophesy is someone is we ask God for a scripture. We ask God for a Bible story or a worship song. So like the cameraman behind me, I don’t even know him, but I’ll just go and ask God for a word for him. So God will you just gimme a scripture for this man. And immediately what it, what I just, I think of that scripture that says those who believe in me will have rivers of living water flowing out of them. And what’s your name? Shane Shane Shane the Lord has called you to a ministry of, of, of being not only filled with the holy spirit, but of flowing out of the holy spirit. And I see you just like, even in the future training people in holy spirit and empowered ministry. And I see you not only working with media as you’re doing now, but I also see you communicating and speaking things to the lives of people, because you just said everyone who believes in me, they will have rivers of living water flowing out of them.

Matthew Helland (23:43):
And, and again, I see the Lord using you, not only here in, in this area, but I also see him using you internationally. And that the Lord is just gonna, he he’s, he’s cultivating and he’s forming things inside of you. And you’re learning from other people such as Daniel King. But I, I see you just grabbing your, your, your Eagles wings and, and soaring, and that the Lord’s gonna use you mildly to equip other people in spirit empowered ministry. Now, what, what I often do when I, when I give a word to someone I say, does that make any sense to you now realized I, I could be relaxed in delivering that word. I didn’t have to say, so says the Lord thou my child, you can speak in king James’s version, but God doesn’t always speak in king James’s version. We can be very relaxed about when we prophesy.

Matthew Helland (24:29):
And, and so what I just did to him is, is I gave him a scripture and I encourage, I strengthened. I comforted him. And then the next verse do not let them out of your sight, keep them within your heart. The second way that God speaks to us is through visions or, or pictures or dreams. And, and you don’t have to be weird about this. Just ask God for a picture. If I were to say, do you see three yellow bananas? And, and the knife going through these three yellow bananas, you’d say, yeah, I can imagine that. And so God can speak to us through our imagination. Now I realize the evangelical Protestant church has, has kind of thrown the baby out with a bathwater when it comes to dreams and visions and the supernatural because of abuses. Let’s not do that.

Matthew Helland (25:17):
<Laugh> in fact, a, a huge percentage of the Bible is prophetic words is visions and dreams. And God did not stop speaking to us 2000 years ago, just because we got the Canon scripture. No, he continues to speak to us this way. And, and I can tell you stories. Oh, about three weeks ago, I was in Orlando in the airport. And I I’d spent some time just waiting for my family. And I was just silent, silent, just waiting before the Lord. And I walked into the Sam night store and I started talking to the guy there. And all of a sudden, I just looked at him and said I see you as an engineer. And I, I started telling more things that I saw on him, and I asked him, so, so what are you studying? And he looked at and he said, oh, I’m studying to be an engineer.

Matthew Helland (25:58):
And so what happened was God was giving me information about him not to misuse it or abuse it, but to show him that God loved him. So the second way that God speaks to us is through pictures. So if you’re watching this right now, why don’t you go ahead and pause this if you can. And why don’t you go ahead and ask God, God, speak to me through a picture. Give me a picture, give me a word, go ahead and, and speak to me right now. And, and you might see something saying, well, what does that mean? That’s half the fun, because when God starts giving you pictures or dreams, you’ll see many times prophets in the Bible said, what does that mean? Then you begin the, the, the, the process of hermeneutics and what is hermeneutics that’s interpreting and applying a word, just like you, you, you do a scripture.

Matthew Helland (26:46):
So you do it with, with dreams and visions. You, you, you take a picture. You God, what does it mean? And Lord, how do I apply this to my life? And it’s not always simple. That’s why I’ve written a whole book. So in, in my book, I, I describe 10 guidelines for developing prophetic ministry. And it’s really important that we have guidelines whenever someone wants to grow in prophetic ministry. The first one is, is always prophesy lovingly. I learned from my parents that the most important thing that you you can do is not how good you can prophesy or teach or preach or, or, or heal the sick. The most important thing that you can do is love people. And the Bible says that that prophecy, new Testament, prophecies is strength and encouraging comfort people. So even when I may have a word, that’s a word to bring correction or a word that could it possibly be a warning, I’m still gonna bring it in a way that’s gonna strengthen and encourage and comfort people.

Matthew Helland (27:45):
In fact, the difference between condemnation, which is the, what the enemy does is that he brings truth. And then he tries to kill people with that. Whereas conviction will bring truth to somebody, but it will bring a way that gives them life and hope. In fact Jesus himself in the, in the first two chapters of revelation speaks to seven different churches in those churches. He all tells them a warning, but he always ends it with a promise and what rewards they can get if they obey him. So it’s really important that whenever we deliver a word from the Lord, whenever someone who’s prophetic sees something that they bring a word in a way that still is going to bring God’s love. And, and, and it’s important that, that you be wise when you do this. For example, I, I prophecy over a woman once I, I, I said something to the effect of, you know, I see like a hand and it’s like a spirit of fear that wants to control you.

Matthew Helland (28:40):
And in the name of Jesus, I just come against all fear and I speak life over you. She didn’t hear anything else. She only saw the hand and, and fear, and that stuck with her. And that, that was a problem. So that’s why it’s really important that you be very, very wise in what you say and how you say that so that you won’t make people scared, but that you will really bring God’s message in a way that that will build them up and, and, and do it in a way that, that, that truly is, is strengthening and encouraging and comforting. The second guideline is, do not isolate yourself, but work together in teams. This is probably one of the major problems I see with people that have a prophetic gift is that they they’re sensitive. They can get offended easily and they will isolate themselves.

Matthew Helland (29:29):
And that is not good for anybody. In fact, the example that we have in scripture is that profits always worked in teams or schools. And so I like to travel with other people so that we can, as iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another, we can sharpen each other. We can grow in the gifts and there can be a transmitting of gifts of spiritual gifts from one person to another. There’s one profit from the UK that says that a self-made profit. It takes him about 20 years to develop the to his potential and the prophetic gift in the prophetic ministry. But if he’s trained, then it can take, instead of 20 years, it can take 12, 12 years. So there’s great acceleration, which takes place when you work together in teams, also great accountability, which is also incredibly important.

Matthew Helland (30:20):
Point number three, don’t be too dramatic when you prophesy. You don’t have to speak in king James version. Also smile, be relaxed. Don’t be unnecessarily weird guideline four, be sensitive for God and to people ask permission before you place your hand on someone, if you want to place for them pray for them. Be extremely sensitive regarding weddings, births, healings, and deaths be culturally sensitive when ministering in different culture than your own. As I, as I already said previously, if you’re in a, a cold culture where they don’t trust emotions tone your emotions down. But if you’re in a, in the south of the United States or in Africa, be as passionate as you want to, because that’s, that’s, that’s what those cultures appreciate, but be sensitive to people, to guide into people. Number five, never allow people to worship you the goal of prophecies to make Jesus great.

Matthew Helland (31:18):
And not yourself. Step guideline six, never give a prophetic word that is contrary to the Bible. The Bible is the word of God and prophecy does not come over scripture. No scripture is what we judge every prophetic word as Kenneth Hagen once said we do not live our lives according to prophecies. No, we live our lives according to scripture. So, so every prophetic word must be tested and must be submitted to what is in scripture. Someone once told me that it was God’s will that he was living together with his girlfriend and out, and, and, and not being married. That does not line up with scripture. We, we submit to scripture and not to the feelings that we may or may not have. Number seven, learn to give a prophetic word at the right moment in the right time. The Bible says that a prophet has control of him or herself in first Corinthians 1432.

Matthew Helland (32:15):
It’s important to learn, to give a word from God at the right moment. And at the right time, in fact, one prophet who trained me told me that 90% of what God shows you, you don’t necessarily need to say, instead of write in your journal, in fact, pray about it. Not everything that you know, or that the Lord gives you, do you need to say, and there are many words that sometimes I’ll receive from, from, from the Lord. And I will not give that publicly, but I’ll just pull somebody aside and share that in a private way. A, a classic way of this. I was in a church in, in Eastern Europe and all of a sudden I felt an evil spirit RO walk into the room. Now, the last thing I should do at that moment, say everybody, listen, an evil spirit just walked into the room.

Matthew Helland (33:05):
No, that was information for me to know at that time. And I just continued to focus on the holy spirit, focus on Jesus and kept doing what we’re doing. I took authority over that spirit and I, I prayed at that moment. And at the end of the service, I took the pastor aside and I just said, Hey, I feel like this spirit was here. And I really feel like this and this and this, and this was, was taking place. And he said, that’s true. What, what you’re saying? That’s true. That’s something that we have to deal with. And so it’s really important that you have wisdom to give a prophetic word at the right moment and the right time to the right person. Number eight, every prophetic word must be tested. Welcome feedback. When you minister in a church, you submit the authority to the local church.

Matthew Helland (33:50):
Prophets are servant leaders who help build up the church. Once again, we don’t compete against each other. We complete each other apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers should work together to equip the saints so that they can do the work of the ministry. Number nine, record, every prophetic word possible. I had a, a pastor who, who told everybody that I met some of his people and I, I prophesied told them that it was God’s time for them to leave his church. And I said, pastor, did you listen to the recording? Because I never said that. And I would never say that now, thanks that I, that was recorded. There was proof that I never prophesied. I never said that that was something that they interpreted in their own way. Again, people can say things that you said, something that you never said. So for the sake of your own safety, but also for the ability of later listening to what the prophetic message has been record, write it down or put it on your, on your smartphone and number 10, prophesy from faith.

Matthew Helland (34:50):
And not only from feeling sensations or emotions, the key scripture here is Romans 12 six, which is you as a gift of prophecy, does it, according to their level of their faith, you do not need an angel to sit on your head. You do not need to feel anointing. I’m all for feeling anointing, but we walk by faith and not by feeling. So I prophesy not by how I feel, but by faith, I believe that as I opened my mouth, God is going to speak Smith. Wigglesworth was once at a meeting where he was praying. And then he started speaking and prophesying over people. And it was like liquid fire coming out of his mouth. And they said, how do you do that? And his response was I, I begin in the flesh and I end in the spirit and that’s just like speaking in tongues.

Matthew Helland (35:43):
That’s just like praying for healing. That’s just like prophesying. Many times, we by faith step out and begin to speak. As it says in Psalms, open your mouth and I will fill it in Luke 10 and 12. It says that that when we’re before Kings and, and priests, when we don’t know what to say, don’t worry because the holy spirit will give you at that moment. What to say? It says that when we speak it’s, it’s not just us speaking, but it’s God speaking. First, Peter four 11 says that whoever speaks, speaks as if God himself is speaking through you. So the Bible clearly instructs us that we can speak words of God, to other people, but when we do it, we do need to do it in a way that’s, that’s humble in a way that honors people in a way that’s loving.

Matthew Helland (36:31):
And, and ultimately remember faith is spelled R I S K. You have to get out of your comfort zone. You have to say something which might look you may, may, may, may look, may seem like you’re really stupid. A beautiful example of this is, is Gary Best book. It’s naturally supernatural, where he tells about a vision where he had was where he was on diving board. And he looked down and there was no water in the swimming pool. And God says, jump. He’s like God, there’s no water in the swimming pool. That’s gonna hurt. God says jump. God, I don’t like pain. I don’t wanna jump. And finally he jumps and the moment he jumps, the swimming pool gets full of water. And that’s, it is that’s the same way it is with the supernatural first time I had a word of knowledge on television.

Matthew Helland (37:25):
All of a sudden I got pain right here. And I thought, oh no, this is the word of knowledge. What am I gonna do? Finally, with two minutes left on the, on the video or on the, on the camera. I said, okay, someone there has pain right here. And I believe God’s healing you when I was done. I was like, what did I just do? I mean, if you take a step of faith, you’re gonna feel stupid. But that, that that’s okay because it was actually the cameraman that at that moment got healed from his pain that he had right there. So if you wanna operate in the prophetic, if you wanna operate in the healing, in these things, that means that you will have to get out of your comfort zone. I know for example Daniel King is here with me. And every time that you stand up to say, God is going to heal.

Matthew Helland (38:13):
Now you’re taking a risk. You’re doing it by faith. And I’ve been in churches. For example, this last Sunday, I was in a church here in Tolson. I said, I believe God is going to heal 30 people in the next five minutes. And we started praying. And the first time we prayed, 12 people were healed. And I said, now we’re going for 30. Let’s do it again. We started praying again, that time 18 people raised their hand. I said, okay, we’re gonna do it one more time. And I believe that God’s gonna heal 30 people. And we prayed one more time. I said, okay, let’s do it again. And I counted. And there was 30 people waving their hands. If they had experienced a healing in their body, what did that take? It took faith. It took me taking a step of faith. Now, let me be real honest with you.

Matthew Helland (38:59):
Not every time I pray for healing, does everybody get healed? I’ve had meetings where it seemed like everybody got healed that I pray for. I’ve had meetings, maybe one, or nobody gets healed, but that’s okay because I can’t heal anybody. It’s God that heals. And my job is to step out and to love and to pray for people. So whether or not people get healed, whether or not all the words I give to people are accurate or not. It’s not about the signs and the wonders. It’s about Jesus. It’s about knowing Jesus, because Jesus said there will be people who will say, have we not prophesied? Have we not healed the sick? Have we not cast that demon? And you’ll look at them and say away from me, I never knew you. So if you want to grow in the prophetic, don’t focus on the prophetic, focus on Jesus, focus on loving him on speaking his word on strength and encouraging on comforting other people’s. And you’ll see how the, the, the supernatural can begin to become very natural and normal for you.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Do you have any testimonies of how you use the gift of prophecy or word of knowledge, of course. And witnessing the people? Of

Matthew Helland (40:15):
Course. Yeah, let me, let me share a few testimonies here regarding using words of knowledge and, and using prophetic words. One of my favorite places do this, I don’t know if I’ve talked about it already, but is, is psychic fairs as psychic fairs, people are coming there looking for for information. And so what I’ll do is I’ll set up a table and I’ll set up a menu board. And on that menu board, I’ll write things like I offer healing, I offer spiritual advice. I offer dream and tattoo and name interpretation a workshop on how you can hear from my source. And I make it look as if I’m just another psychic, which I’m not a psychic I’m, I’m a, I’m a man of God. I call myself a seer. And in front of myself, I put a bunch of scripture cards and people ask are those terror cards.

Matthew Helland (41:12):
And I’ll say, ah, there’s something like that. But all it is is it’s God’s word. And so I’ll, I’ll tell people, well, go ahead. You know, this is my menu. And I operate from out my source and my source is Jesus Christ. And so what happens is, is just different examples. One little girl says, nah, I wanna know my future. And I said, Ooh, grab a grabs, a card, Jeremiah 29 11. I know the plans that I have for you to give you hope in the future. Another man from a radio program came to interview me and see if I was the real thing or not. And he said, I wanna know my future. And I said, well, grab a card. And there said, and you will be, and I will be your father. And you will be, my son says the Lord, God almighty.

Matthew Helland (41:54):
And this just opened the door for me to be able to share the gospel with him. I will give a presentation. And again, I do not use any churchy words or Christianity words, the Christian words, because that would scare people away because they think that the church does not have anything to offer them in a spiritual sense. One woman I baptized said, I knew the church had the father, the son, but I did not know you had the spirit. So what I’ll do is I’ll begin and I’ll tell stories about healing. And then I’ll say my source is gonna heal people now. And sometimes I’ll use the word of knowledge by saying, who has pain here, or who has pain there or who, whose name is possibly this. And then people will come forward. And, and as I begin to pray for people, people get healed.

Matthew Helland (42:38):
And then I’ll say, who would want to know who my source is? And then everybody in the room raises their hand. And then I start saying his name is Jesus Christ. And then I share the gospel about how God loved the world and we’re broken and came to heal it and how Jesus was broken on the cross. And he wants to take all our brokenness hurt pain and sin, and he wants to give us a new life. And I end by saying, who would like a personal word from Jesus Christ and everybody in the room raises their hands. Everybody wants prayer. Everybody wants a personal word from Jesus Christ. Whereas if I go to a psychic fair with a big black Bible and preach at people, nobody’s gonna want to talk to me. But if I become a Jew to the Jew or a, a Gentile or the Gentile, or, or reaching people in psychic affairs, the way that other people are doing it.

Matthew Helland (43:27):
And the cool thing is, is what I say is the way that I treat witches in psychics is I give em a hug. And many times Jesus heals them. And many times they send people to our table. And many times we have higher percentage of, of healings taking place, but what are we doing there? We’re simply loving people. And the other thing that I, that I, that I, where I work weekly in the red light district, and I love to be in the red light district when it’s dark and there’s lots of busyness and nearly every week, well, every week I get to pray with, with men or women in the prostitution. And, but what’s normal is that that I’ll come in and, and everybody will close their window and we’ll grab hands and I’ll start praying for him. And I’ll start prophesying over him.

Matthew Helland (44:12):
And I’ll who has pain and I’ll start praying for him and God will heal them there. And what is my message? My message is God loves you. He has a hope and a future for you. You are his dearly beloved daughter. And by the grace of God, we’ve been able to help some get out, but every week there’s there’s women or, or even some men that say, can you help me get out? Can you help me? Like one woman looked at me and said, you’re the pastor. And you’re gonna help all of us get outta here. And by the grace of God I don’t mean to be pretentious or arrogant in any way, but we want to continue to help serve these men and women in that place. But again, evangelism and prophecy is really not that hard. It’s all about loving people and loving God and trusting God that for a picture for a, a word, a scripture or something that when you look at somebody, you can say, you know, I see this or this, or, or I feel this or this.

Matthew Helland (45:11):
And, and, and if that word is accurate, which many times it is, then now you have instead of a small door to op talk about Jesus. You have a much larger door and opportunity to share about Jesus. One of my some of the people that I really enjoy ING to are, are people that are, are transgenders. And I’ve, I I’ve seen when I, when I go to their places of work, I, I don’t go there to condemn them or, or, or tell ’em off and I just go there to pray for them. And as I pray for someone, I can tell you stories about how all of a sudden, they’ll just start feeling like a warmth that goes over their body, or a pain that God heals them, or, or, or, or I might interpret a dream or, you know, something happens.

Matthew Helland (46:00):
And they’ll start asking me the hard questions. And I can’t always answer all the hard questions, but one thing I can do is tell them that God loves them and that he has a future for them and a purpose for them, for anybody that would say that that prophecy is not necessary. Because we have the Bible, I would say, read the Bible. The Bible says for Corinthians 14, one follow the way of love and eagerly desire, spiritual gifts, especially prophecy. The Bible says that we are to desire to prophesy that we are desire to heal the sick. He says again, in, in 1439, therefore my brothers and sisters be eager to prophesy and do not forbid speaking in tongues, but everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way. Whoever believes. And I, and I respect many, many wonderful men and women of God who have great respect for them, but the, the, the, the teaching of cessationism is a teaching that is based upon man’s experience and not upon scripture, because everywhere that we see that the scripture is preached, we see that lives are changed.

Matthew Helland (47:09):
We see that signs and wonders are normal. Let’s go to the ministry of Paul real quick. He says, for example, for Corinthians two my message in my preacher, where we’re not with wise and persuasive words, but with the demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power, all he knew was Jesus Christ, crucified, resurrected. And he was not going with wise words, but with power. And, and again, we turned to the book of Romans chapter, chapter 15, and here he says verse 17, through, through 20, it says, I glory in Christ Jesus in my service to God, I will not venture to speak of anything, except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done, what did he do by the power of signs and wonders through the power of the spirit of God? So from Jerusalem, all the way around to lyric, I have fully proclaimed the gospel of Christ.

Matthew Helland (48:07):
The Bible speaks about us preaching the gospel with demonstrations. Jesus told us to heal the sick, to cleanse the dead lepers to, to, to, to raise the dead freely. We have received freely. Give that we say that miracles and signs and wonders have stopped because of the can of scription scripture is, is not only unscriptural. It is buying into the culture and the times of modernism, because modernism says that you’ve gotta be rationally, be able to explain everything the, the world that we live in. It’s, it’s actually a problem of, of, of, of worldview. John Wimber, he was the one who always spoke about worldview, and he said, the four things that Western culture teach us are, are, are, first of all, that we are actually deist or atheist. We believe that basically God created the world like a clock maker, and then let the world just continue to run without his daily involvement that, that, that we need to do things in our own strength, individualism that, that we have to have nobody tell us what we can do or not do materialism and rational that you shouldn’t be able, you shouldn’t trust anything that you don’t understand fully, but that is not the Bible of scripture.

Matthew Helland (49:29):
That is not the teaching of scripture. It says that he’s a God who does more than we could ever ask, think or imagine. And when we read the book of acts, when, when we read not just the book of acts and, and, but we read the pistols, we read the, the book of revelation. We read all of the Bible. We find a God who, who speaks through scripture, but he also speaks through dreams through visions. He speaks through prophets, he speaks through apostles. And so this whole idea of throwing out because of legitimate abuses, there are false profits, they’re all FARs teachers, but there’s also real profits. And there’s also real teachers. And there’s real apostles, many of who won’t call themselves a prophet or an apostle, but we need as much as we needed signs and wonders back then we need signs and wonders today.

Matthew Helland (50:28):
Why is it that people are going to psychics? And they’re going to, to, to, to other sources, because they believe that the church is, is only about teaching moral teachings and that they have no power. One woman came to me and said, I believe I have the gift of healing in my hand, but my church says that that doesn’t work. That, that, that, that, that’s not of God. And I said, well, come to my church because that’s what scripture says, that everybody who believes in Jesus can lay their hands on the sick and that they will recover. And so it’s really important that we do not base our doctrine upon our experience. If you have never experienced a healing that does not mean that God does not heal. In fact, he commands us to, he heal the sick by laying our hands on them. So I would, I would respectfully disagree with my brothers and sisters who believe that that in cessationism that God does no, no longer does healings and signs and wonders.

Matthew Helland (51:32):
And again, part of that reason is because I am a sign in wonder, I was never supposed to walk or touch, but by the Walker or talk, but by the, the power of God, God healed me of cerebral palsy. And the list can go on and on. There are many false teachers and false prophets and false pastors, but don’t throw away the baby with a bath water, because God still wants to heal. Still wants to do mighty things through his church, through his people today. If, if you wanna grow in the supernatural, let me just encourage you to grow on three things. The first thing is love. The second thing is faith, take risks, go find people who, who are doing this stuff. Go learn, go, go buy my book, prophesy and heal the sick. You can get that on my, on my website, prophesy, heal.com or, or on Amazon.

Matthew Helland (52:19):
There’s other good books. But third, stay humble. Please stay humble. And let me break down humility. Real quick. Humility is four things. According to Jonathan Edwards, a famous preacher, he said first humility is being content. If you’re prideful, that means you’re driven by fear or driven by emptiness, trying to prove yourself, be content as, as, as, as Paul said whether I’m rich or poor, I can do all things to Christ strengthens me. Second of all, humility is, is being friendly and kind and respectful to people who disagree with you. That’s being humble. Prideful means that you’re, you’re you’re disrespectful. You, you you’re mean to people that that don’t agree with you spend time with people that, that don’t believe like you that are of a different faith that are a different political opinion. Number three humility is, is is being teachable is being correctable.

Matthew Helland (53:18):
But if, if you’re, if you’re prideful, then you know it all, then no one can teach you anything. So, so remain, remain teachable and fourth, someone who is humble is, is someone who is, is secure. Whereas someone who’s prideful is highly insecure. And why, where is our source of, of security? It’s that we know that we are not what we do. We’re not what we have. We’re not what people think of us is that we hear the voice of Papa guy that says you are my dearly beloved son. You’re my dearly beloved daughter. I love you. And I please with you and learning to connect with that voice every day enables us that we can be that voice to other people. And to let them know that the gospel is about a God who loved the world so much, that he gave his son to, to die on the cross for us.

Matthew Helland (54:14):
And that, that is not just something from 2000 years ago, but that’s something of now that he wants to take our brokenness, our hurt and our pains and that because of the incarnation, because of what he did the, the, the, the son of God became a son of man, so that the sons of men could be sons of God. We can know God, because ultimately all prophecies about it’s about knowing God, knowing God and being his hands and feet to many people. So please remain full of love, remain full of faith and remain very humble whenever you operate in prophecy and any gifts of the spirit. Thank you. And God bless.

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Benny Moses | Evangelism in the Villages of India

Evangelist Benny Moses explains how he reaches people for Jesus in the villages of India.



Benny Moses (00:04):
My name is Benny Moses from Hyderabad, India. I’m an evangelist when I was very young, 20 years old, I, I don’t know anything about emissions. Some of them, my brothers, who came to my church, who was doing evangelism and asked me to join with them a couple of days, I took her off my work and joined with them, and I started to distribute tract and sell literature and share the gospel the way I know. But these brothers are enraged. Me. The Lord has called you for ministry. And I resent my job when I was 20 years old and joined with an, a mission organization and getting a training, how to share the gospel while I’m I’m doing my ministry. I attended a, a, a Koolaid where one brother from Australia sharing about the lost ones. And the Lord started to speak to me from a ation chapter, three words, 27.

Benny Moses (00:58):
And through that word, I confirmed the Lord has called me to be an evangelist. And I’ve been doing that one last 33 years, even though I was working with the different organizations as an administrator or leader, but still my heart was the least the lost one. Therefore I made a programs, not not to people to work to reach the last one in, in India. I I like evangelism in two ways. One is a personal evangelism. Another one is a house to house visa evangelism. Plus we can do open evangelism, some villages in India. I go to different churches and call the villages for two days of training program. And I train them how to share the gospel, how to share the testimony. And I divide them by two by two and send to the villages and they go house to house and share about the faith.

Benny Moses (01:51):
And the method I use is of five points. God man, sin, Jesus, and judgment. And you can explain full gospel using these five points and they will do they’ll go to house to house and share the gospel in this method and share the testimony also how they come to know the law. I went to a church and of course the pastor together, 15 ERs. After that training, I give them a goal for reaching five people for a year, each one, catch five. They went back to their re places. Along with the job. They start to share the gospel with the colleagues using these five points of methods and they want to, they started to come to the church and within three months, 45 people added to the church. And within one year around 75 people came to the church and one man as a pastor cannot bring these 75 people.

Benny Moses (02:50):
But when he trained 15 billers, they brought these billers to the church. A great revival and pastor was extremely happy about it. We have some opposition, some villages, even some houses, they won’t accept us. Some persons, they completely reject. They have a great misunderstanding that Jesus is not a Asian is a Western God. And therefore some places we have a great system. And if I do have full calls for Bible colleges, I cover 15 subjects, church planning, church growth, introduction to the gospel part is a message of gospel. The method of gospel, the qualification of evangelist, the how to get out of the fear and shy of sharing the gospel. Door-To-Door evangelism, personal evangelism, Ary, evangelism, literature, evangelism. And I covered this subject five days in Bible college. But if I do for <inaudible>, I do it for two days, that seminar is just for how to share the gospel.

Benny Moses (03:55):
They only need to know how to start, how to end, how to approach a person, how to begin sharing the gospel. Sometime people share their testimony in the beginning and share the gospel. Sometime after sharing the gospel, they share their testimony and they ask them to come to the church and people just to come to the church to listen the word of God, strain them these five methods points. They know how to share. Therefore, the shy is not there. Fear is not there because they know the methods. The most of them are, did not know the methods. Once they learn the method, they don’t fear. They say you have a life, which is God wants to use for your is glory. And you, now we can do it because boldness, because you know how to start an out end in that way, I encourage them.

Benny Moses (04:42):
And I tell them each believer call to be an evangelist because Bible says, go, Jesus said to his disabled, go and make a discipl. It’s not for only the pastor, but for every believer, everyone who knows Jesus Christ personally, they can share, but did not know how to start, how to end, but the methods help them to get rid of the fear and shine. The main things. The believers has a very negative idea that this share in the gospel is a duty of a pastor. It’s not my duty. Therefore I want to delete that thought from the mind and train them to share the gospel and they can do wherever they are placed. Maybe they’re government office, maybe in a private company, maybe they’re doing daily wages wherever they are. They can share the gospel. In that way, more believers can be trained and more believers can share the gospel.

Benny Moses (05:34):
In that way, the India can be reached train believers for evangelism. I made a program called beep believers, evangelism, equipping program, acute them for the evangelism, a equipping means, train them up. How to start, how to approach a person, how to share your testimony. And when they are, when we train believers, definitely without fear and shy, they’ll be able to win the souls. That is the main method I feel. And this person, because India has a lot of oppositions and lot of problems, we cannot have big, big Cru sets in India, but still we can have it. But I, I believe that more believers need to come for this ministry as not as a full-time ministry, but along with the job they can do it. Evangelism is the only best to work in a Christian work Christian ministry. You can do, you can do anything. There’s nothing wrong on that. But under, unless you see the last world, if you are not having a vision, your ministry has not success.

Benny Moses (06:46):
Success of your ministry is reaching the lost world. The Lord gave me a vision to start a mobile team. Well, team have one automobile vehicle with the Cuban of public’s addressing system, LCD projector for a film show, maybe little vessels for cooking. And they go to we can have a two people on the team. They go to a local church, maybe where there’s a 50 or 60 billers and they can stay in that in the church. Before beginning the ministry, I will go and train the billers, how to share the gospel billers. Evangel. Doesn’t make you in program and billers can join the team and go to different villages, go house to house person, to person and share the gospel evening. They can screen the film man of conversion, which acted by Indians and that through that movie, they can also come communicate the gospel for a day three to five.

Benny Moses (07:48):
Villages can be covered in a short time and per a month around 750 to 800 villages can be covered. If they work 25 days per a month, one year, you may have more than 800 to thousand villages can be covered. I, I, I only need a vehicle. The Lord provided me LCD projector. Maybe I will make it a sponsorship for a public addressing system. I do need a big system, a small system where we can cover a hundred to 200 people. That’s more than enough. Then we can buy some cooking vessels for buds can cook, but most of the churches will provide food for two people. That’s not a big problem. And maybe we need a gas money for a month to run. Then maybe we like to support $7,200 for two brothers who are serving the Lord with us. That’s my vision. If you have a vehicle new brand vehicle, 15 years, we can run without any much problem. I’m guaranteed that 10 years, we don’t need to do any maintenance. Therefore, we, we are safe on spending money with the short money we are reaching millions.

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Ayelen Saavedra | Evangelism at Christ For the Nations

Christ for the Nations in Dallas, Texas has a rich history of evangelism going back to the early days of the Voice of Healing movement with Gordon Lindsay. In this video, you will learn from the evangelism director of CFNI, Ayelen Saavedra. She explains how the students of CFNI are reaching out through tent crusades on the campus of CFNI and at Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

Connect with Ayelen Saavedra: https://www.facebook.com/aye.saavedra.7 


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:04):
Hi, I’m Daniel King and I’m here on the campus of Christ for the Nations in Dallas, Texas. And I’m with Ashlyn, who is from Argentina. She is the evangelism director here on campus. And so I’m gonna ask her some questions about what God is doing through Christ for the nations in the area of evangelism. You’re here at Christ for the nations. Yes. In Dallas, Texas. What do you do here at

Ayelen Saavedra (00:31):
Christ for I’m over at the evangelism department? I teach evangelism. I lead the crusades. I lead weekly outreaches and mostly mission trip within the United States.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:41):
And you’re just showing me some of these pictures from different crusades that happened in the history of Christ for the nations, which Christ for the nations was rooted in the evangelistic ministry of Gordon. Lindsay, looking at some of these, these pictures, we’ve got one from Puerto Rico. We’ve got one of another evangelist in a tent crusade. This is amazing. What is CF and I doing today to continue that legacy

Ayelen Saavedra (01:10):
Or, and Lindsay started his minister at early age. He started putting crusades. He gathered the funny story is like he gathered a few friends and he bought it. He, and that’s how we started doing crusades. Massive miracles were happening. So that’s our legacy. Our legacy is born in revival in, in evangelism, in crusades, in salvations over for more than 150 tens in those days. So everything started by the boys of healing, which was the main purpose was to announce all the miracles that had taken place. So the voice of healing and a couple of years later, it, it transitioned into Christ for the nations. We are currently leading Alridge every week. Every Monday, every single week.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:49):
What type of outreaches do you do?

Ayelen Saavedra (01:51):
We do street evangelism. We do homeless. We do jail and prison. We do high school. We get into high schools. We preach the gospel. We have literally service inside the high school, local high school. We work with one and nearby, which is 50 minutes away. I don’t wanna say the names just for sake of information, but it’s one of the top 10 high, biggest high schools in America. Not only high school, but also homeless. We go there every week. We have street evangelism four times per week, where we take our students to the streets, literally to bridge the gospel, even one-on-one setting or in a, in a group setting, like kind of more like a, as a corporate alre. Also we do two main big outreach per, per semester. One of those is Mardi GRA, and we’re here in the fall doing every four.

Ayelen Saavedra (02:38):
We, we do that. We’re starting to do this this year and we’ll continue to do this every year. We put a 10 and it just, it just, it, it is massive. Last year 40 people was, I mean, it got safe. One. We had, we had one boy who couldn’t walk. He came in and Walter, and then he, he just received the power of the holy spirit. And then he just stand up and he began to run outside the tent and he said, mama I’m healed. And he was crying. It was, it was amazing. We, we have miracles like crazy here and enclave, like many people say that, nothing, nothing, you know, there there’s nothing going on in enclave. This is poverty is one of the most dangerous places in Dallas, but we are seeing the power of God moving in a tremendous way.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:25):
Yeah. So Christ for the Nation’s campus is right here in the middle of Dallas, in the Oak cliff community. And there are lots of people right here that need Jesus. And so you’re reaching out to them. Yeah. Now you’re, you’re going to be doing a, a tent crusade coming up. Tell, tell me about the tent crusade, what you’re

Ayelen Saavedra (03:42):
Doing. Yeah. I’ll leave these photos a little bit here, but we’re putting the tent. Basically. We are expecting one types of people to show up, to hear the gospel. We’re gonna feed them. We’re gonna have training in gospel in the afternoon from two to five. And then from five to seven, we’re gonna give food. We’re gonna have a blessing in store. We’re gonna give close to the community. And then at seven, we’re gonna start the crusade. We’re partnering with different churches up room, Trinity, joy, church, family, C different churches that are partnering because we cannot do this crusades without the hub of the local churches. So beside partnering with local churches, we’re partnering with ministries as well. We’re, we’re working with YM kna with sacred writers with time to revive in Texas different other organizations, evangelistic organizations, we’re starting we’re starting the 45 days praying 45 days of praying and fasting and evangelization every day.

Ayelen Saavedra (04:39):
And we’re dividing OC cliff sections. We’re doing a map and we’re dividing those sections. We’re working with local churches in order to, to prepare for, for the 10th crus se that’s, that’s the way that we’re doing. We’re giving flyers. We’re, we’re visiting every church, many churches. We started last weekend. We’re visiting many churches on the weekend. We’re promoting the event. We’re saying invite a non-Christian invite a coworker, invite a friend, invited somebody from college, from high school to the 10 to experience God, if you need a miracle, if you need prayer, if you need, if you just need something from God to show up and we’re gonna get wild in worship, but we’re also gonna preach the gospel in a simple way that will reach masses to, to the kingdom of God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:21):
So I saw some, some flyers here that you’re passing out for the tank revival. Could you tell me how you’re passing these out and what you’re doing

Ayelen Saavedra (05:28):
Now? Absolutely. Well, one of the technics is just to do a straight evangelism. So we are, you do this. It’s says let’s party because the 10 revival

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:35):
Let’s party, the greatest party of all time. Yeah. Music, food VIPs. It’s already paid for a real party that lasts for he forever heaven. Wow. That’s

Ayelen Saavedra (05:46):
Awesome. It’s preadmission. When we put the tent it’s it’s gonna be in the midst of Halloween. Wow. So we even put in fire says like demo on party or exorcism life, free entry. Like we’re doing different creative ideas to invite people because it’s in the middle of Halloween. Who’s gonna go to like a cheese stand. You know, sometimes we use the word Jesus on the fire, but sometimes we don’t and it’s like, oh, what’s it. You be, I mean, you be surprised of how many people are, feel more like, curious about like the spirituality rather than just the name. Right. But then we just do it three evangels and we invite them. You want me to show you the way that we do? Yeah. In a practical way. Hey, hello. How are you? This is my name. ASHN I wanna invite you.

Ayelen Saavedra (06:30):
We’re having 10. We’re having this event. We’re gonna give food. It’s gonna be good. Please show up. And this is the event. It’s gonna be October 30, October 31st or November 1st and 7:00 PM. But if you come at five, we’re gonna give up. We’re gonna give food. We’re gonna give clothes and I, I would love to have you, and I believe we’ll have a great time. And if you have any need, if you have, if you need prayer, please come. I’m sure that, that your prayers will be answered. I, I have a high expectation for what’s gonna happen. Something like that. It’s just very fast.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:05):
Yeah, that’s great.

Ayelen Saavedra (07:07):
So this is some of the flyers that we used to evangelize because it doesn’t say the tent. It doesn’t say any event in particular. So we use this even in Mardi GRA, or even when we do a straight evangelism or homeless or high school, because it cause attention. And if you see the back of the, the fire says, here’s how you get in admit, you need to Jesus, God, son, as for forgiveness, for all, you done run against him and the people. If you really want, God’s help in your life to have eternal life, then pray simple, pray, God, we’ll hear you, forgive you and help to bring help to bring about a change in your life. And this is kind of the, the, the short prayer that we put in the flyer. Jesus, I need your help and forgiveness. Forgive me now and cleanse me, come to my heart and gimme new life.

Ayelen Saavedra (07:49):
Thank you for hearing my, and thank you for answering my prayer. Amen. Wow. It’s a very simple prayer that we put there because people said, okay, I wanna pray for you. Can I pray for you? Or you need prayer. Okay. We can pray together. You know, we don’t push the, our student to say, tell them to repeat a prayer after me, because sometimes they don’t even feel like it. Sure. And I mean, by repeating a prayer, people don’t get saved. They get saved, but acknowledge the name of Jesus and asking him as their Lord and savior. So we don’t push our students to repeat a simple prayer that they don’t even feel like repeating it. We push them. Okay. Can I pray for you? Okay. I can pray for you, but can, can I teach you how to pray? And this is a way that you can pray, but it, it has to come up from the heart. What, what you need is Jesus. And then you will preach the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:33):
So here on the wall, behind me, there’s pictures from Mardi GRA, which is a huge party in new Orleans that takes place every year. And you’re doing evangelism reaching out to the, the people who come to party at, at Mardi. GRA, tell me about that.

Ayelen Saavedra (08:50):
Yes. In Mardi GRA this is a festival that is taking place every year by, by the end of February, beginning of March, one, people, especially young people gather in those streets of Mar in terms of new Orleans to party, to drink, to, to just to take drugs just to, just to lose theirself. And we go there, we take a voucher for students. Every year we take around 100, 150 students to the street of Mardi GRA. It’s crazy because the people go there and they they’re just there to party. And then suddenly we have the signs here that says, for example, free destiny. And, and they was like, oh, read my destiny. Because there is a lot of people that are on the streets that actually work as their car tellers that they’re just working. They get, you know, they get money for doing that. So we take our students and we utilize the gift of the holy spirit, like prophecy, like words of knowledge.

Ayelen Saavedra (09:43):
So we, we have signs that says free destiny. That’s one of the ways that we preach the gospel. And then it was like, oh, they, they will. I come to you, you have a sign. And maybe you part with, with the team of two or three, and then say, okay, read my destiny. I’m here. Or they, they can even give you, they give you their hands and say, read my destiny. And then they utilize our kids, our students, kids, as I did with, you know, with the good heart, our students utilize the gift to the holy spirit. And then we gonna prop over them and say, okay, this happens to you last year, you had a family problem. You, you, you are sick. You, you have a pain in your back right now that, that you are using the words of knowledge, like it’s related with the past or the president, but they, then they ask, okay, tell me about my future.

Ayelen Saavedra (10:24):
And they say, okay, if you give your life to the Lord today, he will change your future. He will give you hope. He will give you a life and life and a boom. He will take away the pain. So we preach the gospel through those kind of techniques. There’s no one technique. We have utilize many techniques. We just have, we have science that says different things. For example free hub. Do you need to hug? Do you need prayer? We we’re just creative. Not only the time we use science, we also have teams of, of 12 people that go inside the street of Mardi GRA. And 1, 1, 1 person it’s designed to be the IOR for that night. So what the others are preaching one person’s it’s within those teams, praying for the ones who are evangelizing and preaching. Then we have another person who is with a guitar.

Ayelen Saavedra (11:10):
Each team has their own worship leader in their own worship songs, their worshiping and people might come and say, oh, can I give you some money to worship? Because it’s, it’s crazy. It’s wild out there. Ma GRA. And we put some songs of, they sing worship songs of people come. And when in the midst of that, we preach the gospel, like in more massive way. Then we have another techniques of, we just go to restaurants and we, we, we minister to the workers because they work all the time. If you can imagine, like they, they, you know, they, they go and party, they drink, they go to bars like to four or five in the morning, even at eight in the morning, they people still partying. So it’s, it’s just, it’s just, it gets wild. Our students go there and preach the gospel, love those broken heart.

Ayelen Saavedra (11:52):
And so I had one testimony from last year. I wanna share very quick, this, I never seen this in my life. I’ve seen miracles. I’ve seen crazy things. People coming to Christ, but this is what I’m gonna tell you right now. I’ve never seen in my life. It was this girl. She was completely Aly. She was completely, I’m sorry. She was completely drunk. She was, she was, she was, she was passed out and I said, I’m gonna preach the gospel. And I had a team with me two people with me and I was a struggling. My mom’s like how I’m gonna preach the gospel if she’s like, she’s lost in her mind. But the whole spirit said to me, every seed is worth it. Every city is worth it. So amen. I went and I preach the gospel. I was with a team. We prayed for her. And after that, she, she began. So she, she start being sober again and she began to whip and cry. And we asked her, did you understand what we just did for you? Which, which is, did, did you remember what we just talked? And she said, yes. I cannot believe that today. My life has been changed because I met Jesus. Wow. And she will. So again, so every the drunkenness disappeared.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:59):
So Jesus saved her and sobered her up

Ayelen Saavedra (13:03):
Rather in the middle of the party, in the middle of the, the drunkenness in the middle of the chaotic atmosphere.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:11):
And what are some other results that you you’ve seen from there? Like how many people does your team minister to over the course of the ministry and party?

Ayelen Saavedra (13:19):
Well, we said that average, we get to pray like two, we pray for two, 2000, 3000 people. And then we last time the results were, we got 170 salvations. Wow. Within one day then many miracles like we had stomach, okay. Problems just being here, right there. A person who was having like a, like a thing in the neck just disappear right there in the, in. I want you, I want you guys to think that Mardi GRA is not like a church setting only like in normal street. It, I mean, it’s wow. It gets Crowdy. It’s noisy. It’s just like you are in the middle of a, of a club. So it’s kind of hard sometimes to pick. So you gotta pull the person a little bit outside the sound, outside the music in order to establish a conversation. But in the midst of that in the midst of that one, my million people from around the world to go there to party, God is bringing hope through his people.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:19):
Wow. That’s so beautiful. Now I saw you have some postcards here where you’re, you’re telling students about it and it will happen this year, February 21st to the 25th. Tell me about how you are training the students and how you’re getting them ready, because it’s pretty intense spiritually to go and administer in a, in a situation like that.

Ayelen Saavedra (14:39):
We, we do prep meetings every week seven months prior to the trip. And we, we do, we do interviews for every application, cuz not all are called to microgram because of the if, if, if there are students who are still dealing with, with some things struggling with some addictions, we cannot take them into this kind of atmosphere because it’s gonna be more hard for them in, in, in a medium or long term. So we wanna make sure that the people that we, we take to preach the gospel and this kind of they’re free, they’re solid. They have a good foundation. Because you know, you, there are people really getting naked in, in the streets and just completely just our law. So when I take people that are, are going through this process of preparation, we teach them how to evangelize.

Ayelen Saavedra (15:30):
We give them, we give them different techniques on how to approach in these kind of settings. We, we have a manual that we grad in. And we, we put their everything related with the spiritual, emotional and physical preparation because we’re gonna be walking a lot throughout the days and throughout the nights. So the trip is five days. So if you can imagine from Dallas to new Orleans and then preaching every, every night, the people get tired and it is not an easy task because when you are with a lot of people around you and you’re preaching the gospel through hours and hours in the morning, in the afternoon, in the night, it takes a preparation, not only in the spiritual and emotional, but also in the physical real. So we do that seven, seven months prior to the trip and we interview everybody can go through a process of interview for the process of mentorship, one on one and through our leaders too, in order to get there prepared and ready with bold, with authority and release the power of God in, in, in, in this festival Mardi GRA

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Chas Stevenson | Evangelism in the Local Church

How can the local church effectively be involved in evangelism? How can the pastor motivate his congregation to witness to the lost? What are the best ways for a local church to evangelize? In this episode, Pastor Chas Stevenson from Houston Faith Church answers these questions…and more.

Houston Faith Church Website: https://www.houstonfaithchurch.com/the_pastors

Stevenson Ministries Website: https://www.stevensonministries.org/ 


Pastor Chas Stevenson (00:03):
My name is Chas Stevenson. I’m with Houston Faith Church. I’m the pastor there. My wife and I been pastoring for 14 years before I was an evangelist. I was a Christian and being a Christian meant that I was filled with the holy spirit and able to witness. And so I started trying to catch up to all the other Christians fishing for men. I found out that Jesus said, follow me that I’ll make you a Fisher of men. So just as a baby Christian, I thought I could, I gotta start doing this. And it was a little scary at first, but I, I felt the obligation to Jesus, to practice fishing and to fish for men and to catch men. And then I realized so few Christians are actually doing that. And when I felt the call to ministry, I went ahead and prayed through and found a certain aspect that I could help churches.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (00:52):
And so I would approach churches that I can help. All of your churches members become the Christian. They were meant to be and help them begin to share their faith with others and have better success than ever before. So that was how I felt Christianity or being a Christian crossed into getting everybody involved in evangelism. I think the secret to the, to the world harvest the secret to changing your nation, your state, your city, your community is found the secret to the whole thing is found sitting right in the church seat. His name is the believer. The believers is the key to everything. All right, when we take surveys in churches, we ask how many of you came to Christ through television and maybe one out of a hundred hands will go up. How many of you came to Christ through radio? Usually zero, these days out of a hundred came through radio.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (01:44):
How many of you came to Christ? Because a believer shared their faith with you. 90% of the hands go up. And then some people raised their hand. How many of you got saved in a church? And so the other 10% are done in church. The believer is the key. 90% of people that are saved, get saved through the witness of a believer. Even if it’s a parent or a friend or a relative, the believers is the one that’s been spreading this gospel all along. Anyway, even though I know that television does, does get some saved, they do a good job teaching, but that’s not the secret to the harvest. It’s not the key to really evangelism. So in our church, we, once we find the solution to evangelism is in the chairs, usually in Christians who have lost their purpose, Christians so often sit there for years frustrated, not, not knowing what to do.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (02:34):
What am I called to do? I’m waiting for my call. I’m waiting for my door to open. Where’s my title. What position can I have? What’s my grace. What’s my gift. And then that goes on for months and years. And they just sit there kind of stagnated when the truth is, if they have the holy spirit, they’re ready. If they know one scripture they’re ready, or we could say this, if they’re saved, they’re ready. The lady that Jesus got saved at the well, she ran on day one, didn’t know anything about anything. Except I found the Messiah. She ran got the whole half of the city saved and the other half came to Jesus and got saved one day. She evangelized the whole city because she found the Messiah. And so really the secrets there, it’s, it’s about keeping that as, as the, the vision, the focus, the emphasis that every one of us here are obligated, responsible, and able every Christian in the church, able to reach others tomorrow for the Lord, Jesus Christ, you know, in, in a natural way, sheep bear sheep shepherds, don’t bear sheep, but sheep bear sheep.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (03:38):
And so we can’t rely on the pulpit, even though there was a time when that was most important, we can’t rely on the pulpit to win all the souls. Okay. It’s great. If you bring a center to church, hopefully they’ll hear the message you get saved, but I found just as many or more get saved after the service with the believer in the car, driving away from church, that Believer’s important. He’s the one that needs to lead people to Jesus, even if they didn’t respond to some altar call. And so we can’t rely on the leaders to get everybody saved. Every Christian should be a healthy enough sheep to lead someone else to Jesus. So if you think about it, a female sheep, who’s not barren in the natural. There’s something wrong. Who’s not barring sheep. A female sheep should bear some sheep. And if not, they’re gonna get eaten, right?

Pastor Chas Stevenson (04:26):
You gotta, you gotta produce here. So Christians who aren’t barring sheep, there’s usually something wrong there not to put people down, but there’s something spiritually wrong, not, not healthy that the pastor or the shepherd has to recognize. I gotta get my sheep healthy so that they will naturally bear sheep out there. Some of it’s so simple but we’ve exempted so many for so long. We’ve exempted so many Christians because they didn’t feel the quite the boldness, right? I’m not the extrovert. And so I can’t do that kind of thing. Oh, we, we turn every introvert into a disciple. I mean, into a, into a Fisher of men. And it’s beautiful to see even the non extroverts be able to share their faith. One on one with some friend over the coffee table and it’s Glos or strangers. I mean, we’ve got introverts approaching strangers, handing a track, leading them to Jesus.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (05:17):
So everything we do is kind of designed to empower the believer and remind the believer. And there’s a little bit to that, but the secret is the believer. Absolutely. We don’t have an evangelism class where we’re expecting everybody to come to and train for 12 weeks and then send you out to the streets to knock on doors. That’s what we don’t do, cuz that’s way too intimidating and too scary. And it only touches about 2% of the people, only those who are already interested in the evangelism really come to that. The rest think they’re exempted. Okay. So the key is this. The key is to present the true commission of Jesus Christ as if it applies to everyone, everyone after the holy spirit and power has come upon, you’ll receive power and you shall be witnesses that’s for everybody. So we have to dispel a lot of the myth that peop people have been under for quite a while.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (06:09):
Christians have just been mistrained in just little inconsistencies with scripture, thinking that an evangelist is, is who wins souls. And I’ve discovered that an evangelist and a soul winner are two different things. They could be the same. They’re not necessarily the same, a soul winner or a Christian witness is one who leads others to Jesus. An evangelist is an office that someone stands in that has a different grace, a special grace for mass crusades and or reminding the church of their great commission. But that’s an office to ed to five, the saints, remember in Ephesians four he gave all five offices for the perfecting of the saints for the work of the ministry. And so the evangelist is designed to Edify the church. Whereas the believer is designed to win a sin, even though certainly the evangelist would have an extra grace and power and anointing to do mass things and crowd things.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (07:06):
And with, with gifts of the spirit on purpose to lead many, many to Jesus, but that’s different than a witness. And that’s where we’ve lost a lot of people, they think, well, I’m not an evangelist. I can’t do that. Wait don’t you aren’t you able to talk at lunch with a friend about different things? Yeah. I can do that. Well then you can share Christ at lunch with a friend. And so that’s where the same thing with like prayer ministry. We’ve said that, well, they, they have a special anointing to pray and they have a special anointing to win souls. So we’ll send them on their own. I don’t really feel called to the prayer group or the street group and that’s okay, but we can’t exempt everybody else. Let them think. Well, I’m not, everybody’s supposed to pray. There’s no gift of praying and there’s no gift of soul winning.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (07:52):
You realize that there’s no gift of soul winning ever mentioned in the scripture. The gift is the holy spirit. And he’s been given to everybody to present Christ with authority and with a lively, you know, resurrection power. And so the whole thing is, is dispelling some of these rumors another rumor I was thinking of is some people have been taught that you’re only supposed to be led when sharing your faith. Like I’m gonna wait till the holy spirit leads me before I ever say anything. You’ll be waiting a long time. You’ll be waiting a lot. And if you really want to be led, if you really want to be led, just read mark chapter 16, where it says go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. And you can just stop right there. He said that to you and I didn’t, he, every believer needs to realize he said that to.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (08:41):
So for the rest of my life, all, all I need to do is tell every single person the gospel and I will have obeyed the spirit. I will have been led by the spirit because he led the, the writing of the scriptures, right? So we have to start somewhere. So instead of having a red light on all the time, waiting for it to turn green, where God says, now you can preach the gospel to somebody, have it on green and be willing and ready to tell everybody until it turns red, that’s a whole different perspective. Isn’t it? And then there’s the fears and the uncertainty and the intimidation of in a conversation. So we, we help everybody get through that, but there’s some secrets in the church that over time everybody can come along there. You know, we do at our church have a monthly evangelism event that we get U different people to lead.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (09:30):
Whatever is on your heart. Well, I want to go to the park and do an outreach. Okay. Everybody can go to the park with you. We’ll have anywhere from 10 to 40 people go on these events. And we encourage some of the young Christians about it that, Hey, if you’ve never done this and you’re a little scared go to one of these and hide behind somebody don’t, you don’t have to say a word, do anything you can just watch. And before the day’s over, they’re like, wow, this is so easy. It’s so easy to lead others to Jesus. How do you do it? You ignore the ones that don’t want Jesus and you, and you’d spend time with ones that do, this is not about you arguing Jesus. And this is where so many people, they back off office. Like, I don’t know how to argue.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (10:10):
Jesus. You’re not supposed to do that. You’re just looking out there for the ripe ones. Right? Think about how many times the word of God’s liken to the seed and the farmer to the believer of the preacher, right? What does a, what does a farmer do when he plants? Let’s say tomatoes, farmer, plants, tomatoes in the ground and waters and waters and waters and takes care of. And he doesn’t do, he doesn’t try to pull a fruit day. One. He just waters and waters and waters. And he doesn’t try to start pulling green tomatoes. If the tomatoes not rip, don’t pull it. I mean, I know some people want the fried green tomatoes, but if the tomato’s not right, don’t pull it. It’s too hard to pull. It comes. You know, you pull in the vine, you’re ripping things, your, your, your hands get all smelly with vine juice.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (11:00):
On the other hand, when the tomato turns red or starts to turn red, it’s easy to pull it. You just kind of tap it and it’ll fall off in your hand. Same thing with soul winning. You don’t force the green ones that aren’t ready yet. All you’re doing is looking for ripe ones. How do you know if it’s a ripe one? You ask them, would you like to receive Jesus today? If they say, no, you say, okay, bye-bye or you tell ’em some nice things or whatever, but you don’t spend time on those that aren’t ready. Makes it easy. Doesn’t it? So there might be 10 people that aren’t ready. You’re looking for the one that is ready. The scripture says that to that the Lord ordained such that that should be saved, right? I think every day there’s a group that’s ordained and ready to be saved.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (11:42):
We’re looking for those. So when we do our outreaches, we’ll preach to a thousand people and 50 will be saved. We did it. We didn’t fail 950 times. We succeeded a thousand times preaching and telling is success. Planting a seed is success. So we, we have to remember, don’t expect everybody get saved and look at your successes as those that you reached. Okay. One final thing for pastors. There’s this feeling about evangelism that if we’re gonna do an outreach, we’re doing it so that we can get people into our church. I found that as a, almost a hundred percent failure rate, maybe that’s exaggeration, but it’s a high failure rate. Okay. Especially when you’re leading people to Jesus, if you’re doing an event and, and making a big deal and showing people your church, maybe you get some church members, but those who receive Jesus on the streets, don’t normally go straight to the church where the person was that saved them, or that led ’em to Jesus.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (12:46):
Okay? So you can’t expect that otherwise everybody will be discouraged. Wow. We’ve led all these people to the Lord. And nobody came to our church. We have, what are we doing? You need to look at it that way. You’re planting seed, where you don’t reap. Somebody else will reap where you sewed. But if you’ll to get involved in that, then God will let you reap where you didn’t sew. And so don’t look at it as I have to get them in my church. Typically, when a person gets saved or a center gets saved on the streets or out in public their first thought is I’m gonna go to church with so, and so my friend who’s been asking me to go for years, my aunt, they run to somebody familiar. Who’s going to a Christian Church. Okay. You can encourage ’em to do that. They’re not gonna go with a stranger.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (13:31):
So outreach to strangers, don’t expect them to, to come into your church and, and just flock in because you were out there getting ’em saved. That’s one of the myths that kind of, you know, put the, put the breaks on evangelism. It looks discouraging. Don’t feel like that. Look at it. As we succeeded, we reached everybody in our city and that’s our goal. Reach everybody in our city. As a senior pastor, I think there’s one key ingredient to causing evangelism, to explode and continue in any local church anywhere. And it does depend on the pastor. It does depend on the leader because he kind of runs the show, runs the meeting and keeps whatever vision he’s got going. He’s the one. So here’s, here’s the secret really? And it happens in our church. We, we get this working in our church and it’s amazing the results we see, I call it the four year principle.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (14:25):
And, and what I do is I, I look back at the book of acts after Jesus departed, after he sent the holy spirit, after they were filled and started the ministry what was the local church? What did it look like on day one? What did it look like on week two? When people would come to church? What did the four year sound like? Okay. what was the conversation at church? It certainly about the news of the day or the, the sports teams or anything like that, which that’s all, that’s fine. But because of the excitement around this gospel and the resurrection of Jesus, I think the conversation in the foyer was something like, Hey, what did y’all do this week for God? Hey, did you hear about Peter and John at the gate? They got that guy healed. Yeah. I heard about that.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (15:11):
That was awesome. Hey, listen, what I did, I, there was these teenagers walking by on the street. I led him to, I told him about Jesus being resurrected. They didn’t know that he got resurrected. And then I baptized him in the, in the pond right there, man, what did you do? What did you do? And we’re doing what he said. So there was this whole, we obeying Jesus conversation. I just have a feeling. That’s what happened at least for a while. At least until Jude said, come on, you guys earnest Lee contend for that faith. It was once delivered to the saints. Remember that? And so that aspect just kind of reveals. We need some convers, some right conversation in church. All right. So what we do at our church or what’s so I think it could be anywhere is we have a time, every service to mention the works we do for God.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (16:00):
Whereas a lot of churches will have testimony time. What did, what, what did God do for anybody? Did anybody wanna testify? We specifically say, what did you do for God this week? Anybody wanna say, and people will begin to say what they did at work. I passed out a track. I talked to my friend, I made a phone call. I led the so. And so to the Lord, how many of you led someone to Jesus? What’s our soul count? Did we convert anybody this week? Did we turn anybody to Christ this week? And I’ll look through the congregation in one hand and another hand. How many, how, where at, where did you, where did you get ’em saved at? And so we’ll have four or five, almost every service saying I did this. I led someone, my coworker, my dad, you know, I prayed for the sick.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (16:44):
And so now all of a sudden, the whole congregation’s thinking what who’s doing, what I thought it was, you know, that’s where you just dispel the rumor that the pastor does all the works, right? And so if, if church members look around saying, if she can do this, I can do this. And so this spreads, and, and it’s just a little 32nd, 62nd moment in the church, but it reveals the emphasis we’re placing on true evangelism, every church service. It seems most pastors spend a few minutes talking about tithes and offerings. Isn’t that right? Sure. Give a scripture testimony, talk a little bit, encourage people to give. At least you’d have a time for offering. The question is why do we do that? Well, because we know money is required. It’s important for the local church to continue to isn’t it. Well the people know that’s important, how they know that’s important, cuz we talk about it every week.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (17:50):
If we would just kind of take a step back and think of what’s most important to heaven, even though money’s important, it’s the great commission it’s reaching the whole wide world. And so the most important thing is spreading this gospel and then raising up saints, discipling people. We ought to talk about it all the time. So along with the ties in offering, and that’s really one of the best times to do it, one of the best times to talk about soul winning is while the offering’s being collected every once in a while, stop the offertory song. And while the buckets are getting passed, talk about soul winning, let people share their stories to each other. That’s how fire spreads. You have to let people say and talk and then fire can spread. And so it’s, it’s really the five minute charge or the 62nd charge.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (18:40):
All it is is just a consistent reminder. Every week. Sometimes we do it twice a week. Our midweek service, same thing. We’ll have a time shared stories every once in a while on a Wednesday night, somebody will have a question. You know, I was talking to so and so, and they had, they presented this to me. What am I supposed to say to that? So I’ll get a little teach time in there of, of explaining how to approach questions or hens or sins or naysayers or whatever. But the, the point is that we need to talk. We need to emphasize it somehow, not the whole message. Don’t do a six weeks course that you only do once every five years, then you miss everybody keep this as part of the life of the church. Otherwise the evangelism will, will, will die back down to nothing.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (19:23):
And so, and, and we need evangelists coming through to remind us, there’s a special thing that when evangelist says it, they just fire people up about it. And so we need the evangelist gift in the local church, which I think is a, is a missing element of many churches because we’re thinking, oh, evangelists get people saved. And I know that in my congregation, there’s not so many people and I can give an altar call myself, why do I need the evangelist? You need the evangelist because Jesus said you needed the evangelist and he needs to come through your church to motivate people and remind people of the great commission. So pastors do have some responsibility here and I’d say one more thing to pastors. If pastors, aren’t also being a witness every day, everywhere they go, how are their people gonna follow that? If the pastor’s into music, the people are into music.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (20:08):
If the pastor’s into, you know, Bible study, the people are in the Bible study. If the pastor’s a big prayer, the people are prayers. If the pastor’s a real witness for Jesus, the people will start following the pastor ought to have a story. Every once in a while, one preacher long ago said that if pastors would start winning souls every week, they wouldn’t have to have a book of illustrations every Sunday <laugh> to prepare their message. And so this has to become reality that leading others to Jesus is what Christians do. We are fishers of men. All of us are fishers of men. And the fact is most Christians aren’t fishing very much. Maybe once a year, they’ll find the perfect opportunity to fish and that’s not acceptable. So pastors have to get some of these things ironed out so that we don’t let people become the dead sea.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (20:56):
You can’t just keep, keep pouring into people if they can’t give it out. So, you know, if you don’t have any exit rivers, you just get stale. And so many Christians are unhappy. We found the happiest. Christians are the soul winners we found the most faithful are the soul winners. And that’s what makes it all go around. I think that’s the most exciting thing about it all is that we were all in the same thing together, which is impacting the world for Jesus. One of our visions at the church is that every believer has a vision for worldwide evangelism and personal evangelism. So I’m not negating worldwide evangelism and missions and big crusades and stuff like that. But I also want people to have a personal vision for evangelism. What can I do? And everybody, every single Christian can do this stuff, but we talk about it.

Pastor Chas Stevenson (21:48):
So we get ’em testifying. We have a sole goal of individual witnessing and that’s where we find the biggest success. So we, we see church members slowly but surely over six months, sometimes a year after about a six month period, many people come up to me and say, I finally said something. I said, God bless you at work. And then another six months goes by. And they said, I finally gave a track down. And a little bit later, they said, I finally led someone to Jesus and I couldn’t believe it. It was so easy. I just shared my heart and I cared about ’em and they wanted to receive Jesus. Right? And so it takes time and we don’t pressure people or make people feel guilty or act like they have to go knock on doors or go to the streets. Even though we do have outreaches, we don’t act like that’s the only thing we do. The main thing we do is everybody’s a witness tomorrow after church. I can’t go where you go. So you have to, you have to take care of all the people where you’re at. So that’s the key is giving ’em a vision and a purpose for, for lifestyle evangelism, wherever you are.

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The Love of Christ for Iran | Elam Ministries | Dan & Carmen Hale

On today’s episode, we talk with Dan and Carmen Hale who work for Elam, a ministry that is taking the love of Christ to the Muslim nation of Iran. They share amazing stores about how God is moving and Christians are flourishing even in the midst of persecution.

Website: https://www.elam.com/ 

Podcast: Jesus Speaks Farsi 


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
On today’s episode of the evangelism podcast. We talk with Dan and Carmen Hale, who work for ELAM, a ministry that is taking the love of Christ to the Muslim nation of Iran. They share amazing stories about how God is moving and Christians are flourishing. Even in the midst of persecution.

Bible Verse (00:25):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:36):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:01):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King. And I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have two very special guests. They are Dan and Carmen Hale, and they are representatives of ELAM ministries, which is a tremendous ministry that has focus on the nation of Iran. And so God has been doing amazing things in Iran. Yes. Thank you so much for being with me.

Dan Hale (01:29):
Amen. Thank you, Daniel. Thank

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:31):
You. So tell me a little bit about the ministry and what Elon ministries does.

Dan Hale (01:38):
Okay. So Elon ministries to begin Daniel, our tagline is the love of Christ for Iran and beyond, but you know, our focus is Iran reaching Iranians, discipling, guiding people to be leaders. It’s an indigenous church and, and the idea of Iranians, you know, reaching their countrymen, taking them through a discipleship process and then ultimately guiding them to be disciple makers who will reach others and guide them to be disciples.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:09):
And so Iran is one of the largest Muslim nations in the world. When most people think of Iran, they, they think of the Muslim oppression that’s there. And so it’s a very difficult nation yes. To, to work with. What are some of the strategies that you are using to tell people about Jesus in this nation, which is often considered to be like a closed nation?

Dan Hale (02:39):
Yeah. So Daniel Iran first is a nation of about 82 million people. It’s about the size of Alaska and maybe 1%, maybe a little bit more, some people may even say 2% Christians, but it’s a Shiite Muslim nation. And so the idea of providing scriptures, so taking scriptures into the country, distributing them, obviously we won’t talk about how that’s done, but, but praise the Lord it is done.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:08):
And so your ministry is actually taking the, the Bible in their local language, which I understand is Fari

Dan Hale (03:15):
Fari. Yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:16):
And, and so you’re taking fare Bibles into the nation of Iran and, and distributing those to people who your ministry is in contact with.

Dan Hale (03:25):
Amen. Yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:26):
That, that’s so wonderful. And, and then you’re also training leaders from the church in Iran. So people are getting saved and then you’re training them. Talk to me a little bit about that. What, what does the training look like?

Dan Hale (03:41):
So, you know, for security, we may not talk about a lot of details of the training, but the idea of pouring into leaders, obviously zoom during the pandemic has been super beneficial. You know, the idea of pouring into people, you know, again, you know, we want to, to raise up leaders who can be mentors, but, you know, the, the primary goal is to help people to be disciples, but ultimately to be disciple makers. So duplication multiplication, Carmen, what is it you say all the time about,

Carmen Hale (04:16):
I say, when I speak in the churches that the church growth in Iran is by multiplication, not addition.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:28):
And so, so many people are getting saved that it’s actually multiplying the church of Jesus Christ there. Yes,

Carmen Hale (04:35):
Yes, yes, yes. In, in huge ways. Yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:39):
Wow. It, and that, that’s absolutely amazing. It’s so wonderful to hear that God is, is working among Muslim populations. Yes. And what, what are some of the ways that, that God is impacting Muslims? I know that Jesus died for Muslims. He died on the cross so that Muslims could be saved. He loves Muslims. Jesus loves Muslims. And I always say, I love Muslims too, because God loves Muslims. I love Muslims. I’m sure you guys love Muslims. Amen. And, and Jesus is saving Muslims. Talk, talk to me about that. What, what type of encounters are Muslims having with the living Jesus Christ you

Dan Hale (05:16):

Carmen Hale (05:17):
You know when Jesus choose to rich to people, it doesn’t matter how he does it. When I was living in Iran, it was an open country during the, before the, you know, during the SHA time.

Dan Hale (05:33):
So before the 1979

Carmen Hale (05:35):
Revolution. Right.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:36):
Wow. So you were actually living there way back

Carmen Hale (05:38):

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:39):

Carmen Hale (05:40):
I, I did. Yeah, that was

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:40):
Before I was born. That’s amazing.

Carmen Hale (05:42):
I, I, Daniel, do you have to say that? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I’m so proud to be to have the privilege to live there. And, and I saw Iran at that time and Iran now who would have imagined that Iran will have the fastest growing church in the world today. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:04):
It’s really amazing that in a persecuted nation where sometimes Christians lives are in danger. Yeah. That God is working even in those places.

Carmen Hale (06:15):
Yes. That’s throughout the Bible. There’s stories of persecution and that’s when the church tribe and that’s exactly what happened to Iran in these days.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:27):
So talk to me a little bit about ELAM ministries and how it got started and, and how it’s developed over the years.

Dan Hale (06:37):
Okay. I’ll start. So I pointed to Carmen because Carmen was there 30 years ago, Elon was foreman in 1990. And she was there when, when it got started. But you know, the idea of starting small, you know, at the time of the revolution, there were maybe 500 believers from a Muslim background at that time. So it’s a very small group and, and so much pressure and, and, you know, would the church wither and die, but no, the church has thrived in, is growing. And people are meeting and, and small groups and lives are being transformed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:15):
That’s so wonderful to hear miss Carmen, can you give me an example of someone whose life has been transformed by Jesus share, share with us a testimony of something that God has done?

Carmen Hale (07:28):
Yes. I think of a, a young man that was put in prison for a crime that he has done. And while in prison, someone else shared Christ with him because obviously there’s a lot of Christians who have been put in prison. What are their crimes is that they have left Islam and follow Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior. So back to this young guy, when he finished his sentence, he came out and he search high and low. Where can I get this new Testament in far sea? He’s been talking, he couldn’t stop. You know, Daniel, I have to tell you that I have never seen a, a, a group of people that are so bold. And so courageous. It’s illegal to be talking about outside Islam, religion. Now,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:27):
When we say that it’s illegal, what are some of the consequences that could happen? If someone is caught talking about Jesus,

Carmen Hale (08:36):
You will be put in prison

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:38):
And, and are there lives in danger? Would

Carmen Hale (08:40):
They be, oh, yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:42):
Be in or tortured,

Carmen Hale (08:43):
Or even in killed. I know several people that have been killed pastors that I’ve known big leaders in churches, in Iran that were killed for their faith.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:54):
I really love what one of the church fathers said, Tertullian, He said that the, “The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church.” Yes. And when people are so dedicated to serving God yes. That they are willing to give their lives even willing to, to shed their blood. Yes. For the sake of Christ. Yes. In that place, every drop of blood that falls into the ground has the potential to become a church plant.

Carmen Hale (09:26):
So I want to go back to the story that I wanted to, to tell you this young man who was released from prison, he was believer he was Muslim when he goes in and then come out Christian. And then he starts sharing the gospel with his family, with his relatives and friends. And then he starts high and low because people were so interested to know about this. Jesus Christ, not as a prophet, but the God, the true God. And so he ordered Bible. He, he, he found us in the website and said, ELAM, can you please send me 10 copies of the new testaments in Fari? And then he distributed it and then he could not stop talking about this.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:13):
And so your ministry was actually able to send Bibles in yes. To, to, and they got to him. Yes. And, and then he started sharing that with his friends.

Carmen Hale (10:23):
Yes. And I won’t go into the details, how he got it because it’s, it’s, it’s dangerous, but there’s a way of doing it. God gave wisdom to our people. And then, so this man was picked up by the police of the activities that he was doing. And he put him in prison. And while in prison, again, he’s sharing and prisoners comes to Christ. You know, it’s a, no, it’s a win-win situation. The government don’t like people to become Christians. And yet they put them in prison and then prisoners, including notorious criminals, get to know about Jesus Christ. Then he comes out

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:04):
And you have a captive audience. They have nothing to do, but

Carmen Hale (11:07):
Listen to Jesus about Jesus. I love my Lord. Jesus Christ. He’s just so, so good. And so he comes outta prison after serving several weeks of the of his sentence and he called ELAM again and said, can you send me a hundred copies of these Bibles? And it’s just, it just goes on and on and

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:29):
On. Wow. So he started with 10 Bibles. Yes. Use those and then was asking for a hundred Bibles. Right. That’s the multiplication you were talking about?

Carmen Hale (11:37):
That’s multiplication, I’m talking

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:38):
That’s times 10. That’s amazing. Yes. Well, do you have any other stories of people whose lives have

Carmen Hale (11:43):
Been transformed by Jesus? We have evangelism tools and also safari

Dan Hale (11:55):
You, me to, so we have a discipleship program, which we call SFAR, safari.org is the website for that. Yeah. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative>, it’s available in Persian and English and Safara is the root word for safari. So safari.org without the I safari with, so it’s a one-on-one discipleship program. So I I’ll give you an example the first hundred days. So the first hundred days of a new Believer’s life to guide them through the process, mm-hmm, <affirmative> of becoming a disciple and evangelism and also ultimately a disciple maker. So one of our people was discipling someone with Iran and and so taking him through the process during the discipleship time, that person distributed 100 new testaments and he led 17 people to Christ. And so he personally, as I understand discipled two of those and the others, other people pitched in and helped to disciple them. So again, we’re seeing multiplication.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:53):
That’s amazing. And so the ministry is training leaders, doing church planning, passing out scriptures, media, discipleship. You also do ministry for, for women and men and, and marriage ministry. You’re reaching out to children and youth, you’re distributing books and, and resources, and even working with refugees as they, they come over to, to other nations. And, and the ministry originally is from the United Kingdom, but now you’ve spread to, to many different countries around the world. Where are some of the countries that, that you guys are, are working in,

Dan Hale (13:30):
You know, Turkey, Greece, you know, all over Europe. Yeah. Different countries in the middle east, but you know, Greece and Europe, lots of refugees there, refugees and Turkey, really a great opportunity.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:43):
What a tremendous blessing. Now, if someone’s listening and they have a heart for the nation of Iran, mm-hmm <affirmative> and they have a heart for reaching Muslims with the gospel, maybe they’re interested in, in supporting your ministry, what, what’s a way that they could find out more information about what you do. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> or even possibly support you in the ministry. Mm-Hmm

Dan Hale (14:09):
<Affirmative>. So the place to go is our website, Elam.com. You can always remember that, you know, at Pentecost, the different people groups were there a as the brother shared the partan, the Meads and the Elamites Iranians were there at Pentecost, Shirley.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:29):
And so that, that’s where the name of the ministry comes from. Yes. Is actually from the Bible. Yes. And so Iranians were there on the day of Pentecost. Yeah. Worshiping God. Yes. So that’s in their own language,

Dan Hale (14:40):
That’s a historical name for Iran and

Carmen Hale (14:42):
Nico signed up there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:44):
Wow. And, and so elam.com and, and then you have a tremendous podcast. Tell me about the podcast that

Carmen Hale (14:51):
You have. Yes. The, the podcast is Jesus speaks Fari. Fari is the language in Iran, and I promise you, you would be so hooked to it because we have people who would, who have been in prison and they talk about their faith and their the work that they have done in prison as even as they come out. And

Dan Hale (15:15):
So Carmen far, she was the very first, he did the first part tell them right. Very quickly. About far she

Carmen Hale (15:21):
Bar, she was a leader in Iran and Christmas, 2010, they have taken about 60 plus of our leaders and members of the church and put them in jail. And some of them were released in matter of weeks and months and some, a year or two, but far, she was in prison for five years. And while he was in prison, he had ushered so many, many prisoners to Christ and he continues to serve very powerfully in the Iran region today. Amazing testimonies he share again, it’s Jesus speaks fare.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:10):
Yeah. So if you like podcast, if you like the evangelism podcast, go look for Jesus loves fare podcast. Jesus

Carmen Hale (16:17):

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:18):
Jesus Speaks Farsi Podcast, and you will enjoy the, the stories that they tell about what God is doing in that part of the world. Let’s finish up today by praying for the entire Muslim world. Mm-hmm, <affirmative> specifically the nation of Iran and let’s pray that God would move in the nation of Iran. Daniel, would you lead us in a prayer for that part of the world? Yes.

Dan Hale (16:48):
We come to you and, and father, we pray Lord that, that you will continue to do what you’re doing, that you would appear in visions and dreams, and people would have amazing God experiences Lord throughout the Muslim world. I think about Indonesia and I think of India. And I think of throughout the middle east, you know, Iran in particular Lord, that you would do something amazing Lord, that you would touch people’s hearts, continue to open their hearts Lord, and that you would have someone walk up and, and share them, you know, a gospel or you know, that you would do things to draw people in Lord. And that people would be mobilized to evangelized. Disciplers would be mobilized Lord, and we pray for more and more multiplication throughout throughout the Muslim world, Lord, that that many would hear the gospel message Lord, that they would find the gospel on the internet Lord, that they would find, you know, a worship ministry or, or, or preaching ministry, or maybe specifically toward women or men and Lord that you would use all these moments that that many would see the, the gospel light that the light of the gospel will shine bright and many will know you as Lord and savior and ultimately be disciple makers.

Dan Hale (18:07):
We give you all the glory Lord in Jesus name.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:10):
Amen. Amen, Lord. I pray for the nation of Iran. Lord, we pray for the entire Muslim world. And Lord, I pray that you would raise up more laborers who would work in this part of the world. Lord, I, I pray that even someone who’s listening right now that you would put it on their heart to reach out to Muslims and, and to start learning how to share the gospel with Muslims and, and Lord, we pray that you would raise up mighty men and women of God that would be trained in how to share the gospel and that they would be bold in their faith. Lord. We pray for those believers who have already come to you in the nation of Iran. Lord, I pray that you would strengthen them, encourage them, give them boldness today to share their faith with those around them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:03):
Even in very difficult circumstances. And, and Lord, I lift up the ministry of ELAM to you, Lord, I pray that you would just bless the ministry and give them all the resources that they need to do what you have called them to do in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Thank you guys so much for being on the evangelism podcast. The Lord bless you. And we will be praying for the nation of Iran and I’m praying that someday I will be able to go. I, yes, I’ve been praying for Iran for many years. Jesus name. Yes. And I’ve been asking God to send me there. And I don’t know if it’s possible right now to, to do a big meeting, but you know, I, I believe the time will come. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> where even Iran will open up to the gospel and we’ll be able to see not just in ones or twos, people getting saved, but we could see thousands of people. I’m asking God to send me there someday to preach

Dan Hale (20:01):
Brother Daniel. Not, not now, but today you’re a step closer.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:06):
Amen. Amen. Well, God bless you guys. And thank you for being on the evangelist podcast. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening today. I am excited about telling people about Jesus. And I want to invite you to be a part of helping us to rescue people from hell and take them with us to heaven. There’s two things you can do to help. First of all, can you go find the evangelism podcast on apple iTunes and leave us a positive review by giving a review, you will help other people find these valuable resources about sharing our faith. And second, would you become a financial partner with king ministries? Every single dollar that people give us enables us to lead at least one person to Jesus. And so that means for only $1, you can help start a party in heaven. And so today I want to invite you to become a monthly partner. You can start out for just a dollar, but if God puts it on your heart to do more, of course you can do more. But please go to king ministries.com and become a monthly partner with us today to help us to lead more people to Jesus. Thank you so much. And God bless you

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Jay Anderson | Together ’22 | Pulse Goes to the Cotton Bowl

Jay Anderson is helping to organize Together ’22 at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas, TX. This event is being held fifty years after Explo ’72 an evangelistic empowering event hosted by Billy Graham and Bill Bright that helped to spark The Jesus Revolution. On today’s podcast, we talk about what God is doing in our generation and you will learn how you can be a part of this historic event.

Learn more about Together 2022: https://pulse.org/ 


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Jay Anderson is helping to organize Together ’22 at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas, Texas. This event is being held 50 years after Explo ’72, an evangelistic empowering event hosted by Billy Graham and Bill Bright that helped to spark the Jesus Revolution. On today’s podcast, we talk about what God is doing in our generation, and you’ll learn how you can be a part of this historic event.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:41):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:06):
To the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. Today. I am with Jay Anderson. He is with Pulse Ministries, Nick Hall, and they are doing an amazing event in Dallas, Texas called together. Tell me, what is God going to do in Dallas, Texas?

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (01:23):
Oh man. Daniel. It’s it’s been an honor just to get to know you a little bit here, and I know that your heart is for the gospel and, and that’s really what together. 22, it’s all about. We are literally kind of riding the coattails of what God did 50 years ago in Dallas, Texas at the Cotton Bowl stadium with Billy Graham and bill bright with campus crusade really rallying a generation to come and be trained and equipped, and then sent back to the communities and to their neighborhoods, into their schools, workplaces all around the country that happened in 1972, June in the, in the cotton bowl in Dallas. And, and we’re just praying for God to do that again.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:01):
That was at the height of the Jesus movement. I have a friend who pastors a church of 19,000 people in California. He got saved at that event back in 1972. And I think that what God is going to do this year is going to, to have the same type of testimonies it’s going to impact a generation. What, what do you think God wants to do with this generation of young people?

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (02:26):
Yeah. You know, like there’s, there’s a lot of older evangelists that like God’s just done incredible work and, and people are like, well, what’s gonna happen. Like, what’s next? Where’s the, where’s the new generation. We’re just really believing for another defining moment, like, which happened in 72, forgot to do it again. So we’re really believing that these people that come out, these evangelists, maybe that weren’t even thought of it evangelist before we’re gonna train them, equip them and then commission them to go back and just believing like with the different resources and the different opportunities that we’re gonna provide they’re at together, we’re given $500 to 500 groups that wanna go back and do outreaches back in their cities. So,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:05):
Wow. So you’re actually helping to, to finance and empower evangelism all over the, the United States. That’s amazing. Yeah.

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (03:13):
So that’s just, yeah. So it’s, it’s coming. We’re actually, we’re actually even giving people rides to get there. So if they need help getting to Dallas we’re providing that. Yeah, so we’re just, we don’t want any obstacle to get in the way of people coming, being trained, equipped. And then actually we don’t want any excuse to, to be able to go back and do evangelism back in their homes. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:33):
Now tell me what are the dates for together 2022?

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (03:36):
Yeah. So in in June, June 19th, we’re doing a kickoff event right there at the cotton bowl in, in a tent. So this tent that’s right behind us here, it’s called awaken the Dawn they’re coming out, they’re providing the space and we’re gonna be doing a large worship in prayer, kind of kickoff. Then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. So that 20th to the 24th, we’re gonna be doing evangelism training and then commissioning them to go throughout the city of the DFW. So 10 o’clock in the morning, there’s gonna be training and going out two o’clock in the afternoon training and going out. And then in the evening there’s gonna be large worshiping and prayer gatherings happening. That’s all throughout the week. And then on the 19th or on the 24th in the evening, there’s gonna be a large event at the cotton bowl stadium a lot of different speakers and artists yeah, Chris Tomlin, Lare Nielsen Marcos a number of different musical artists, a number of different evangelists and speakers that are gonna be coming and sharing the gospel and training people on how to share their faith on Friday night and also Saturday morning.

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (04:38):
And then in Saturday afternoon, we’re actually gonna break and people can actually go and do breakout sessions with different evangelistic ministries like campus crusade, the Billy Graham team national network of youth ministries, number of evangelistic ministries that are doing training for everybody that leaves. If people don’t wanna go into breakout sessions then they can actually just go and hit the streets. And we’re really encouraging people to take the training that they’ve learned and go hit the streets. And then there’s also an opportunity to do service projects. And these service projects are not just service projects, where they’re packing things and, and kind of being all together as Christians know, they’re taking things and going to places where the gospel needs to be. So we’re really excited about that. And, and during that whole week, there’s gonna be 24 7 worship and prayer going on.

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (05:22):
And then that evening on Saturday. So as we go out, share the gospel in the afternoon that Saturday night, we’re encouraging people that it went out to bring people to the actual cotton bowl. We’re gonna have an evangelistic message. And then there’s also gonna be an actual commissioning ceremony, just similar to what God did in 1972, when Billy Graham had everybody go around and light candles saying that they’re gonna take this light and go back to their communities, we’re gonna do that. Same thing similar back at the cotton bowl that evening on Saturday. So we’re really looking forward.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:53):
That’s so amazing. Pulse is led by Nick Hall. He’s the lead communicator. And I went to one of the events that Paul put together at the Texas motor Speedway. It was absolutely amazing a place where usually people go see fast cars, they went to worship Jesus and praise Jesus. It was amazing. And then you guys have been doing events in Minnesota and in Washington, DC and other parts of the country. What is the, the big vision of pulse? What, what is God giving pulse to do what what’s the assignment of pulse yeah. For this day.

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (06:28):
So really our, our three objectives as a ministry is to raise up evangelists and train evangelists to literally train the everyday just believer in how to share their faith. And then also to do evangelistic outreaches similar to like a Billy Graham Luis Palau model, where we go by the invitation do prayer and worship events have pastors gatherings, evangelism training, large evangelistic of outreach, and then follow up, plugging them back into local churches. So the God’s given us that heart and vision as a ministry led by Nick hall, I’ve been with the team for the last 12 years just serving and, and just, I love Nick’s heart. It’s just like gospel, gospel, gospel really centered on the gifts that God’s given to him as an evangelist to really train, equip a generation, to share their faith.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:13):
Now you actually come from a very rich heritage of evangelism. Your father worked with Billy Graham for many years, helping to organize the big events that he did O over the years. And you were connected with Louis POWs ministry and, and now you’re with Paulson. So you’ve been around some of these really amazing evangelists, men of God who really called the last generation to Christ. But now we have a brand new generation it’s a whole new day in America. They speak a different language. Sometimes the techniques of the past, you know, having maybe a, a huge choir is not necessarily the way that, that reaches young people today. What do you think is changing in the area of evangelism and then what do you think stays the same, no matter what happens? Yeah.

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (08:06):
Well, I think one of the things that that changes is that we’re really just believing and, and we’re even equipping people to actually be evangelists and to, to be trained and, and have people come alongside them. So there’s a, there’s a program that we do, it’s called the pulse 100. And we have older mentors that are pouring into these younger leaders. And I think just things that’s changing is that, that, that people don’t just have like one or two evangelists that they just look to. But like, we’re really just really trying to empower people to believe that they are an evangelist and that they are, are meant to go and share the gospel and not just depend on, you know, the, the everyday, or I should say the the, the professional Christian, but to really empower them. I think the thing that stays the same and that never changes, you know, is, is the true gospel that that Jesus died.

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (08:54):
And, and he’s yeah, he is, he rose again on the third day and that he came to forgive our sins. So I think like one of the things that we just want to continue to, to stress and, and say is like, it is not just one group that is doing this, and it is just not one way of doing this. There’s many ways with sports of evangelism and, and and video game and social media just, there’s so many different, new ways. Tiktok, TikTok, yes. Social. Yeah. So we’re just, we’re really trying to, to raise the awareness that, that anybody that really feels God’s call in their life, they can use their gifts to, to do that. And I think technology has really made that possibility.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:35):
That’s awesome. So if someone wants to participate in together happening in June in the DFW area, in the cotton bowl what’s the website, how can they find out more information or get involved in that? Yeah.

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (09:48):
If you just go to pulse.org takes you right to the together website I would just say like, as ministry leaders and evangelists, like this, this event is literally designed for you like our heart is that man, if you wanna get involved, and if you wanna take people out sharing the gospel, if you wanna do trainings for people, please just go to the website, talk about how you can get involved, just go right to the events side of things and get involved. It’ll take you right there. Yeah, it is. It’s literally our heart is that people come from all across the nation. Right now we have all 50 states registered tens of thousands of people are planning to come bring people. But the thought is like, if I’m an evangelist and I, and if I have a desire to see evangelism happen in our city or in my city, I’m gonna wanna get as many people there to be trained and equipped so that they can take that training and equipped and just momentum of, of Lord willing.

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (10:41):
We’re praying for a hundred thousand people to crash the cotton bowl, to be trained, equipped, and go back. So bring your people be train equipped and take that back. Be commissioned back. And there is gonna be ministries that can resource you in evangelism that will come back to their city and help put on outreach events, do evangelism training. So this, this event is geared for people that wanna do evangelism back in their home, home cities and, and campuses. So we just wanna really try to empower the evangelistic ministry and the evangelistic voice in this day.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:14):
Well, if you wanna be a part of together at the cotton bowl, go to the pulse website, find out more information, sign up, get some training in evangelism, find the resources to help you go out and preach the gospel. Jay Anderson, thank you so much for being on the evangelism

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (11:30):
Podcast. Thanks so much. And it’s a free event. So, I mean, we want you guys to come, no excuse and looking forward to

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:36):
It. Well, I’m gonna be there and looking forward to

Jay Anderson – Pulse.org (11:37):
It. Amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:39):
Thanks so much for listening today. I am excited about telling people about Jesus. And I want to invite you to be a part of helping us to rescue people from hell and take them with us to heaven. There’s two things you can do to help. First of all, can you go find the evangelism podcast on apple iTunes and leave us a positive review by giving a review, you will help other people find these valuable resources about sharing our faith. And second, would you become a financial partner with king ministries? Every single dollar that people give us enables us to lead at least one person to Jesus. And so that means for only $1, you can help start a party in heaven. And so today I want to invite you to become a monthly partner. You can start out for just a dollar, but if God puts it on your heart to do more, of course you can do more, but please go to king ministries.com and become a monthly partner with us today to help us to lead more people to Jesus. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (12:58):
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Joel McGill | All America for Jesus

Joel McGill has a vision to reach all of America for Jesus. All America is a ministry connected with Call2All, a global movement that has brought together over 60,000 leaders in strategic partnership to fulfill the Great Commission. They have put together a variety of resources designed to help communities across America to reach every person with the Gospel. Today, we talk about how to measure evangelistic success by using five finish lines and much more…

What are the finish lines?

  1. Pray for every person by name
  2. Connect with every person personally
  3. Connect every person with Jesus
  4. Connect every person with the Bible
  5. Connect every person with a Christian Community

Connect: https://allamerica.org/

Access the All America resources: https://allamerica.org/resources-3/ 


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Joel McGill has a vision to reach all of America for Jesus. All America is a ministry connected with Call2All, a global movement that has brought together over 60,000 leaders in strategic partnership to fulfill the great commission. They have put together a variety of resources designed to help communities across America, to reach every person with the gospel. Today, we talk about how to measure evangelistic success by using five finish lines. And we’re gonna talk about much, much more.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:48):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:12):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest Joel McGill. He is with all America and their goal is to reach every person in America with the gospel. Joel is great to be with you today.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (01:30):
It’s great to be here with you too.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:31):
So all America is under the umbrella of Call2All, a ministry led by Mark Anderson. Right now we’re on the campus of YWAM in Kansas city, and this is where your office is. And you’ve been involved in helping to put together these strategies for reaching people all over America. And in other parts of the world, tell me a little bit about yourself and how you got started doing this.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (02:01):
Yeah, well, I’m originally from Chicago, so I’ve survived the streets of Chicago. So I guess I can survive anywhere. We have been my family and I’ve, we’ve been a part of youth of the mission since 2000. So 22 years now serving in Australia all throughout Asia and the us and Caribbean. So have been just trying to be faithful to just get the gospel to as many people as possible.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:24):
So tell me a little bit about the All America initiative. What is the goal and how are you going about accomplishing it?

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (02:32):
So for the last 22 years, we’ve been focused very much on the frontiers on the unreached unengaged people, groups, and all those that have never heard. And along the way we have continually been talked about, of talked to about, about the idea of a national strategy. What does it look like to take? Not just a people group, but an entire nation and to get the gospel to everybody. And so the Lord in 2016 gave us a burden when we were very much focused on the rest of the world. And we’re very happy about all the amazing things that are going on. The Lord said America is a mission field and really redirected our efforts. And we had a lot of Jonah reluctant you know, missionaries saying, Hey, we wanna go work in all these other countries. And the Lord was saying, there’s a moment in time for America that we’re supposed to contend. And so we’re not letting go of the, the rest of the world, but very much the Lord had us redirect. And so our team had been working on a systematic strategy with common metrics, for the great commission and getting down to every person, every home, every community, every city, every state. And so we’ve just been seeing some amazing things happen around this idea of completing the great commission in America.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:47):
I think it’s so awesome that you’re focusing on the United States because you’re right, this is a mission field. There are so many people in America that need Jesus. I heard someone say yesterday, we went from being a Christian nation to being a post-Christian nation to now being an anti-Christian nation. Was it you who said that? No, no, <laugh> now you, you have an anti-Christian nation in, in, in some aspects of, of American culture now. And so we have to start thinking like missionaries, if we’re going to reach people here in America. And I think that God is speaking the same thing to, to many different ministries. Cause I’ve heard a lot of different ministers that have told me, you know, we really need to focus on America. And so you mentioned metrics in measuring the success of outreaches. Tell me, what are some of those things that you look for to judge if an, if a church or ministry or outreach is being successful?

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (04:48):
Well, this really was birthed out of more of a frontier. Mission’s thinking when we think about the unreached and what does it mean to reach? So is it evangelism, is that really just reaching or is it deeper than that? Do you,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:01):
Yeah, so I’m an evangelist. And, and you know, the, the, the thing that I like to measure, I actually did my doctoral research on mass evangelism. So I got really deep into the numbers on doing mass crusade and, you know, a lot of evangelists, they, they measure how many people are in the audience and then they they count all the, the fingers and multiply it times 10. That’s right. Sometimes the, the dishonest evangelists, but then not, not us, not us. But you know, you can have numbers where people are like, we got 5 million people saved but there’s only like a million people in the whole country. Right. And, and, and it’s like, where do they all come from? And, and so, I mean, we got, we gotta do look at numbers, honestly. But then often Evangelists will look at decision cards, like how many decision cards were collected and counted. But you’re saying we actually should look beyond just that first stage. I would call it like the first step to someone getting in relationship with the Lord. But we gotta look at beyond that first step and start measuring other metrics of success in evangelism.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (06:08):
And to be honest I’ve, I’ve been an evangelist and rolled in mass evangelism in these circles. I’ve never met an evangelist. Who’s doing mass evangelism that doesn’t care about, follow up discipleship and prayer and all these other pieces. They, they, they just know the gift in the body that they carry. And that is important. We, you know, I was one of those hands, myself that, you know, when I gave my life to Jesus, they said, here’s a Bible, good luck. And you would think, oh no, actually it worked. I began to read the Bible and it changed my life and it, and the holy spirit made up where people didn’t show up. And thankfully the there’s a journey that all of us are on. And I think that’s part of what we’re talking about with measuring the great commission more comprehensively is we recognize the role of prayer that, you know, I was prayed for by my grandmother on a daily basis.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (06:57):
That’s where really the evangelism started, right. Was, and we all know this as evangelists, the, the believers need to adopt those around them. Begin to pray way before an evangelist shows up. This is the real fruit as mass evangelism on a pub on a personal scale, right? Or sorry, other way around personal evangelism on a public scale. So counting prayer is valuable thinking about what if we could pray for everybody by name in a community, and then the next metric. So prayer being the first metric next would be compassion and justice. What if we could demonstrate the love of God through meeting a felt need through building relationship. These are things that are really valuable and prepare the way for other elements and other metrics. So compassion, injustice,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:42):
And, and, and compassion. Injustice is really key. I think with connecting with the heart of today’s generation, people really care about justice issues, especially young people and, and in compassion. And I, I think it’s so important to, you know, put food in someone’s belly before you preach the gospel to them.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (08:03):
Yeah. And it’s just natural, you know, you even think about Jesus and what he talked about. He would be measuring in the end judgment time. It was how many cups of cold water, you know, how many meals, how many clothes, how many visits, like these are things that Jesus valued and talked about. And I think these are things that we should care about and Val and measure. And so when we think about compare compassion and justice as two metrics, when we’re saying, what does it mean to truly reach people? They have to get the gospel. I always say, I’m not, I’m not okay with sending people fat, happy, and comfortable and straight to hell, right? <Laugh> like we, we have to move from just compassion and, and, and and justice issues to getting them the gospel, where they can encounter Jesus as a real man that died on a cross for them arose from the dead and that they need to know him and give their lives to him. And so we can measure that as we talked about evangelists do, but then let’s go into Bible engagement because that decision I made in connecting to the word of God was transformative in my life from beginning to teach me, okay, what am I supposed to do as a follower of Jesus? And how does this affect every year of my life? So we have to look at Bible engagement as immeasurable. And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:16):
So what do you mean by Bible engagement?

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (09:18):
So that we’re enga that people are engaging the word of God on a regular basis that changes the way they think and live, right? This is what everybody has to do. And we have a Bible engagement crisis in America, not only outside the church, but in the church as well. And so this is something that we are championing as a measurable for. What does it mean to reach our city is that every person gets engaged with the Bible and that this would be an opportunity to see the word of God become the standard for every category of life. And I think that’s really needed right now,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:51):
When I think about Bible engagement, I really think of like Craig Groeschel, he’s got a great app, the Bible app, and he can tell you how many billions of chapters have been read on the Bible app. Absolutely amazing. I also think of Mart Green from the, the, the Green family who has Hobby Lobby. And I was talking to him one time and he, he said that, that he was really moved by the holy spirit to, to read the Bible every single day, and then to make sure that everyone on earth had the ability to read the Bible in their own language. He became very passionate about helping like Bible translators to, to, to do that. And so I think the Bible engagement is so important.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (10:36):
Yeah. And I think if the only time you read or hear the Bible is on Sunday morning, you got a problem and you’re

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:43):
Gonna starve. If that’s the only time you ate all week long, you’d starve.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (10:46):
That’s right. So daily reading and really digesting, not just memorizing, but actually looking at how does this apply to my life is such an important piece. So we need to measure that, and it is a bit ambiguous, but there are amazing tools like Bible project, and many others that are, can quantify how many have watched this? How many have engaged with this? And so that’s an area that we’re gonna continue to develop and develop even better and better tools on how do we help people engage with the word of God, maybe even before they’re a Christian. And so this again is very common in frontier mission stuff, but we need to think about this in America. The last finish line, the fifth finish line is Christian community. That every person would have an opportunity to connect with a Christian community. Now that may be in a lot of different expressions, right?

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (11:30):
It could be on Sunday morning, or it could be a small group in somebody’s house. It could be an alpha group that they get to be a part of. There’s so many different expressions. And with the idea of these five finish lines that we can measure and track is that it can look differently everywhere. So a church could do it one way. Another church do another, a city movement can do another way that these are all valued and every, no one’s gonna sit and debate. Well, I don’t think prayer is important. You know, that’s a follower of Jesus. And so these are accepted, but we’re never gonna get everybody agree on the how right. So one particular program, but the, I do believe we can unite the body of Christ around these common metrics and begin to measure community by community and begin to identify where are the empty spots?

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (12:13):
You know, where are we not? That’s why we measure where we are not just to pat ourselves in the back and say, we’re doing a great job, though. That’s not horrible, but that we would focus on the least and the lost right. That one lost sheep. And we got a lot more than one right now. So we gotta work hard and get to where the church is focused on. Those that are not showing up on Sunday morning, exclusively, but focused on the ones that are not, and that are really being missed by the gospel. And there’s a lot of them in America.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:42):
So let’s talk about how this looks on the ground. If you go to a city here in America and you want to start mobilizing the church to get people involved in, in these different areas how would you go about doing that? What does it look like?

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (13:02):
Well, I think the first step is to recognize no one organization can do this alone. The idea of every single person reach with those five finish lines. It’s massive. You just there’s, no one can do it. So I think starting with who are the people that are on mission, right? Like not the ones that don’t believe the great commission, you know, let’s not start there, let’s start with the people that are already on mission, maybe in those different categories, right. The prayer movement. That’s saying, man, God’s not gonna do anything unless we pray. And, and, and, you know, prayer is gonna change hearts. They’re they’re in that camp, right? Saying prayer is, is the deal.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:36):
Yeah. Often you find that when people have a calling to a specific area, they think everyone should be involved in that area. And, and so, you know, as an evangelist, I think everyone needs to be out there witnessing every single day, because that’s my gift from God. But people who are gifted in the area of prayer, oh, they, they have such a great passion, just get on their face in a room and, and, and pray before God. And, and I think what we need to do is, is, is have cross pollination between different callings and different giftings to where we can celebrate one another so that the, the prayers are excited about the evangelizers and the, the people who do evangelism are excited about church planting that’s

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (14:20):
Right. Well, this is the body. So that’s obviously where we’re going is, you know, all these different camps that are very siloed, very much passionate about their piece. And so this framework that we’re offering is a way to help bring them together and say, you know what? You’re all right. <Laugh> every one of ’em the, the disciple making movements, the Bible, the, the, you know, that are really going after Bible. And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:39):
Even the interpretive dance people, are they right?

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (14:42):
If we have to include them, that’s fine. I’m teasing. But yes, so you have all these different burdens. And again, if we can have a framework that values them all equally and say, Hey, these are all really important in the life of a believer. And especially in reaching the lost, then we can begin to connect with one another. And so what we’re doing is beginning to build alliances really across the country, state by state city, by city that are saying, Hey, we’ll take responsibility for Chicago. We’ll take responsibility for California. And really look over the next 15, 20 years of how do we reach every single person in a geographical space. We have a team out in Kansas, that’s working with the SMS of God, Southern Baptist coming together in this framework to reach every single person in Kansas with these five. So it’s, it’s again, because it’s not a program and we’re not trying to tell ’em how to do it.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (15:32):
We’re really just offering them a, a, a, a table really to say, Hey, here’s, here’s how you can bring mul diverse leaders together to talk about something they all have a passion about, but haven’t maybe been seeing how they fit together and then offer some tools on how they can work together best practices. And so we have a network of about a hundred national partners that are basically set up to serve these local communities as they begin to implement. So we’re just, we’re not trying to do it all ourselves, but I think if we could help bridge silos community by community, across the nation and begin to get those that are on mission. Again, not everybody, but those that are on mission, this remnant and go like Gideon, let’s find the ones with the right mentality and let’s get them together and help them run fast. And I think that’s what God is already doing. So we get to participate with him in it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:27):
So if someone is listening and they want to bring a community of, of people together, a community of believers in, in, in their community how would they get access to some of the, the tools and, and, and help that you guys offer?

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (16:43):
So all america.org, as you go to the website, we have really tried to give this away. The, the Lord spoke to me very early on in this and said, write the vision, make it plain, so they can run. And so this really, we have so many tools and resources the strategy guides that will help you think through, as a church, as a community leader, as a small group leader, that will allow you to say, okay, what does it look like for me to take responsibility for the great commission around me? What does it mean to be comprehensive? And then what are some tools and resources that are already out there to help me do it? We’ve found that as people do this, it will go quicker, right? They don’t have to make it up. You don’t have to come up with a Bible engagement strategy. There’s some on our website that are already curated for you by finish line that we’re not playing middleman for just go reach out and do it, or you have a better idea, just go do it. It’s really an opportunity where everybody can build the wall right in front of them. So all america.org is is there’s tools. There’s resources, there’s guides that are on there, that anybody can just go on and use. You don’t have to ask, just go and take it and put your name on it and run with it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:49):
<Laugh> I think that’s awesome. I, I always tell people with my stuff that I give you the copyright, just make sure you copy it. Right. You know, and, and we’re all working for the kingdom of God. So I think that is such a wonderful attitude that you have, that, that you’re developing this material, but then giving it away to whoever wants to use it. That that’s so beautiful. So what you’re doing here with all America comes out of some of your, on the ground practice of doing events in the Caribbean. You you’ve done all events in different parts of the Caribbean, I think all Grenada all. And, and, and so tell me, what are some of the, the things that you saw God do in those countries that now you’re bringing those concepts here to reach people in America?

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (18:35):
Well, actually, yeah, the us is our first all initiative. Our, our, our outreach is in the Caribbean in St. Vincent, Barbados, and, and Antigua. Uwhat I learned through that, that I’m applying here in America is just that God is already working in so many places. And this idea of leaning into the strength of the local knowledge and the people that God is placed. And I think often we would come in to try to,udo everything or try to do it ourselves. And I think I’ve really been humbled as I’ve gone along of just seeing,uyou know, again, the, the fact that God’s spirit is empowering people. And if I have hi his spirit and he’s got, and, and they have their spirit, they can do what I can do. And I think this idea of empowering believers,uand coming alongside and serving and coming in as a, as just offering tools,uversus dictating and trying to come in and save the day.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (19:33):
I think that’s really what I’ve learned in the Caribbean of just how amazing these Caribbean leaders are, how they know the word they’re on mission. They still pray, you know, they still do stuff that in America, you call it prayer meeting. It’s not a lot of people showing up in Caribbean and inspiring, and there’s people still doing it. So I think for me, just learning to lean into the, this idea of God is already, you know, giving them everything they need to reach their community. And we, that can come alongside and empower and resource. We have to come in with fear and trembling. We have to come in with really a servant attitude. And I think as we’ve done that, we’ve seen the power of these people, you know, that are empowered and, and really we can help support and resource, but aren’t here to save the day. Aren’t here to be everything. But that we’re really adding value to the long term story of what God’s already been doing in that community.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:24):
Let’s talk a little bit more about America and what is going to take to really bring revival here in this nation. I mean, I think that’s, God’s heart, God wants America to be saying, I say, all of America for Jesus, but when you look at the news, I mean, there’s so much division there’s strife between different groups, different political groups, different social groups there’s, there’s accusations of racism and social injustice, which, which are real serious issues that we have to deal with here in America. What do you think it’s gonna take really for us to see another great awakening, a new move of God in this nation? That’s

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (21:05):
Quite the question, but I strangely have an answer. <Laugh> it’s unusual for me to be again, spending so much time praying and talking about America, cuz I’m from America, but I spent a lot of my life overseas. But man, when you take responsibility for something, whether it’s a nation, whether it’s a neighborhood or whatever, God begins to speak to you about it. And you know, as we’ve said yes to America, I’ve been really stunned by the dialogue I’m having with Jesus and by the perspectives that he’s giving me and it’s changed the way I pray. And I know a lot of people may not like this, but honestly what I’m praying for. And I feel God saying to pray for is more shaking. And I think that the idea of we’re gonna have historic revival without great difficulty is is historically uninformed.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (21:52):
And so I think for all of us, even though we may not want that from a Carnell standpoint, I think the best thing for America is greater shaking. And I think we should be crying out to God that we do not end up fat happy and go straight to hell. Right? We do not want to be comfortable and blessed. And we always say, God bless America, but at what cost right at what cost of our eternal salvation, you know? And so I think as I’ve dove into this, you know, we have a lot of people in this country trying to go backwards. And I think man, God has something so much better ahead as I’ve prayed. I feel that he’s exposing where we put our trust. I think there have been many that are not the, the man who’s considered wise by listening and obeying built his house on a rock.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (22:35):
So honestly I’m actually really optimistic about America, which is maybe I’m the minority. But I believe God is about to flip the script. I believe. There is an opportunity for tremendous wholeness and freedom ahead as we deal with our demons, as we really repent and get honest about how we’ve been living and how comfortable we’ve been and you know, and the, you know, there’s a lot of theology that reinforces this comfortability in America. And like I said, I believe God is shaking it. And I’m praying for more shaking because I love it. I love America. I want America to be saved and I think we’ve been so comfortable and so passive. And I think a lot of the persecuted world has been praying for America for a while. So I think those answer, those prayers are about to be answered and are being answered in our day.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:26):
Yeah. I, I have a lot of hope for America. I’m actually here in Kansas city for the send, which is happening this weekend. In last night, they had a big tent event as part of their, their pre send events, the, the flood. And it was the, their, the tent was packed full of people. There, there was like 3000 people inside the tent and probably another couple thousand people outside the tent. And many of these are young people with their hands lifted, crying out to God as worshiping God. And, and when I saw the, there is hope for America, there, there is a fire being lit here in America where we’re gonna see God do amazing things. God is not finished with this country.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (24:07):
Amen. And it’s gonna be a different season of being a remnant versus the majority. And I think that’s, like I said, I think it’s healthy. I think it’s gonna refine us. I think it’s gonna help us to not take for granted what Jesus has done for us and what the rest of the world has been like. So again, I am extremely optimistic. I was not when I started, I honestly, just to be full disclosure for you when I was first asked to help out with this thing, I thought maybe it needs judgment. You know, where are the Babylonians? You know, what’s, maybe this would

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:37):
Call down fire everybody.

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (24:39):
Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I’m like, oh, shouldn’t really be saved. You know? And I went into the prayer room here in Kansas city and I figured, you know, I go sit front row, a prayer room, be a good place to get an attitude adjustment <laugh>. So I went in, I said, God, you’re asking me to do this, but I don’t want to, and I need you to give me some perspective if we’re gonna go after this. And so in that moment, I got this picture in my mind of a ship and the ship was out on the ocean and it was vertical in the water. Half the ship was above and half the ship was beneath. And as I sat there, I thought that’s an interesting picture to pop into my mind. And then I felt the holy spirit say to me do you believe I could write the ship?

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (25:19):
And honestly, as I thought about that picture, I thought that’s, you know, I saw the movie Titanic and I know that’s like the end of the movie. Right. You know? So I’m like, that’s usually, I, I don’t know much about boats, but that’s usually not a good time, you know, to be thinking about writing the ship. But in that moment I really was confronted with that. Do I believe in the power of God? Do I believe that God’s greatness and his power is greater than our weakness and our brokenness. And so in that moment I said, yeah, I believe, I believe you can write the ship. If anybody can, you can. And then he asked me, he said, do you believe the ship can shoot out of the water and land on it and be better than it was before? Do you believe I can do that?

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (25:57):
And I just was like, well, that’s even, <laugh>, that’s a little bit crazier, you know? And again, I, I, I said, okay, this is probably not true question. So I’m gonna stick with the ver answer. And I said, yeah, Lord, I think if anybody can, you can, you can do that. And then he said, this is my will for America. And would you, would you bear the score of believing that? And I don’t even know what that last question’s about, but I said, yes, cuz I was on a roll, but I’m just saying, yeah, I’ll believe that I’ll, I’ll go after that. And again, I think there’s a lot of negativity about America. I think there’s a lot of concern. But like I said, I’m, I’m optimistic. I think it’s gonna surge out of the water, but it’s gonna come. Not in the way that it’s come in the past. I think there’s a different work that God is doing right now. And I think we are on the cusp of it. But we, we have to let go of old mindsets. We have to let go of the past because God has something better in store for us. That’s more healthy and whole than what America was in the past.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:53):
Amen. Well, I am with you praying for God to move here in America. I love what you do. I love what all America is doing in the vision for, for reaching this nation. So brother, Joel, thank you for being on the evangelism podcast. I appreciate

Joel McGill – AllAmerica.org (27:07):
It. Yeah. It’s an honor to be here and we, us evangelists gotta stick together. We gotta get as many people sharing the gospel. And so just thankful for you and all you’re doing to just stand for Jesus and get the gospel out there everywhere and everywhere around the world. That’s, that’s listening to this or watching it. We need to pray for America and consider being a missionary to America. We and it’s, it’s not that we don’t ever don’t have everywhere else. We still have to go. But there’s a special moment in time to partner with God in what he’s doing in this nation. And so just again, thank you for Daniel, everything you do. And I’m just excited about as we continue to partner and bring the body of Christ together for the great commission.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:44):
Amen. Thank you brother. Joel, thanks so much for listening today. I am excited about telling people about Jesus and I want to invite you to be a part of helping us to rescue people from hell and take them with us to heaven. There’s two things you can do to help. First of all, can you go find the evangelism podcast on apple iTunes and leave us a positive review by giving a review, you will help other people find these valuable resources about sharing our faith. And second, would you become a financial partner with king ministries? Every single dollar that people give us enables us to lead at least one person to Jesus. And so that means for only $1, you can help start a party in heaven. And so today I want to invite you to become a monthly partner. You can start out for just a dollar, but if God puts it on your heart to do more, of course you can do more. But please go to king ministries.com and become a monthly partner with us today to help us to lead more people to Jesus. Thank you so much. And God bless you

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Simone Puccinelli | Educating Children in Uganda

Simone Puccinelli is the founder of Simone’s Kids, a ministry dedicated to educating children in Uganda. She started the ministry while she was still a college student and now they are responsible for educating over one thousand children every school day. Today you will hear the amazing story of how God has helped her build this powerful ministry and you will hear about how her children are being trained to share their faith.

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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Simone Puccinelli is the founder of Simone’s kids, a ministry dedicated to educating children in Uganda. She started the ministry while she was still a college student. And now Simone’s kids is responsible for educating over 1,000 children every school day. Today, you will hear the amazing story of how God has helped Simone build this powerful ministry, and you’ll hear about how her children are being trained to share their faith.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:43):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:07):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. We have a very special guest with us, Mrs. Simone Puccinelli thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast.

Simone Puccinelli (01:21):
Thank You for having me here. I’m very excited.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:24):
Simone has been a friend of our family for many years. I think we originally met you on a trip to Jamaica. Maybe we met your family.

Simone Puccinelli (01:36):
Okay. Yeah, I would probably have only been about like eight years old. So I don’t remember exactly. You’re

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:42):
Not ate eight any longer, but

Simone Puccinelli (01:43):
I don’t remember, you know what? Because me and your brother are about the same age. And I remember when we were like five or six, you came out to our house. Me and your brother were five and six years old. So I’m pretty sure I was pretty, I don’t remember our family not being friends. So,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:02):
And you are a very impressive young lady because God put it on your heart to start a ministry, which is called Simone’s kids and you are helping children in the nation of Uganda. So tell me about that. How did you get interested in helping children in Uganda?

Simone Puccinelli (02:25):
Well Daniel, I was really as a child drawn to helping other kids in need. And when I would hear those stories, it was just something that my heart was really drawn to, to be compassionate towards. And when I was 12, actually got the call to be a missionary. And so I, you know, begged my parents to let me go on mission trips. And I actually went on a mission trip with you when I was in middle school to Haiti in the Dominican Republic.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:58):
I remember that trip to Haiti. That was a, a great crusade. Thousands of people came, but it was a very difficult trip. I remember that the food was horrible. It was hot. The living conditions were horrible. They told us that the, the chicken that we were eating, our marathon running chickens, it was like eating beef jerky. It was not like soft KFC chicken,ubut uyou went on the mission trip with us and

Simone Puccinelli (03:24):
I did, and we endured the heat and I was still a gymnast back there. So I got to do flips and make the whole crowd very excited. And I witnessed a lot of miracles firsthand and like that was hard, but, you know, I loved it. And so I went on more trips to Africa and just really got involved with learning from others how they do ministry, how it works logistically. And then in college, I got connected with a couple in Uganda through a connection that I did know, and basically they had been born and raised and were local people trying to help out the street, children in their community. And God just really laid it on my heart to help them. And so I went over there and saw the need and saw God’s heart and for the kids’ lives. And I saw the, you know, the enemy really coming in and trying to tell them that they were worthless and, you know, basically kill still and destroy their lives and just, I could not do it cuz God wanted, you know, God wanted me to do it. So that’s how it was birthed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:38):
Now, when God first put it on your heart to give money, to help children in Uganda, how much were you able to raise like the first month that you tried to, to raise money?

Simone Puccinelli (04:51):
So the initial email conversations was around $500 to cover the rent for the building. So the school could stay open. The, the couple had started.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:02):
And at that time you were still a college student.

Simone Puccinelli (05:05):
I Was a sophomore in college.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:06):
And so raising $500 is phenomenal, is huge for a college student.

Simone Puccinelli (05:12):
It, so I would say it, it took me several months, three, three or three or four months. Yeah. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:17):
And now the school has grown there. Many teachers you have over a thousand children now is that? Yeah.

Simone Puccinelli (05:26):
So when I got there, we were probably working with like 60 to 80. I didn’t get a official head count back then. And now we are working with over a thousand children

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:36):
And how many teachers are helping to teach the,

Simone Puccinelli (05:39):
We have 120 staff and they’re all local.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:42):
And where is Simone’s kids located in Uganda?

Simone Puccinelli (05:46):
It’s in the district of NA Coste. And so that’s really north of the capital central, the central ish area, but it’s in a remote village.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:57):
And so paint a picture for me. What does the ministry look like now there on the ground in Uganda now you started with just a, a little tiny school. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> but it’s growing. So, so just paint a picture for me. If someone was to visit your school, what would they see?

Simone Puccinelli (06:13):
Well, right now, if they visited to campus, they would fall find a primary classrooms and bathrooms that were big and nice and spacious for the students. A big, nice area for preparing food, a medical clinic, a library, a two story library. They would also find a high school with science labs and two giant dormitories. So the high school students actually live on campus and, you know, office buildings. And so we really kind of do like a holistic care for our students.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:50):
And how many teachers are there

Simone Puccinelli (06:53):
Specifically teachers? I think that’s around 70 to 80.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:58):
And so it starts 20 staff all the way from how, how old is the youngest and how, how far up the grades do you go?

Simone Puccinelli (07:06):
So we have three preschool grades. So we have a three year old class, four year old class and five year old class. And then it goes up through the high school, the way it works. It’s almost like an associate’s degree. So we’ll have, we’ll have up to the age of 20, 21 years old.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:20):
And so now some kids have gone through your program for, for many years mm-hmm <affirmative> and are you helping to put them into a university and, and get fully educated?

Simone Puccinelli (07:31):
So the past three years or so, we’ve been building a like university fund and putting money aside for that. And we have 21 students in, in college.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:41):
Wow. And so this is growing by, by leaps and bounds and has really been through your, your faith and effort and just sharing the vision with people to, to help the, the kids in Uganda. What is it that really motivates you to do all of this for the kids Uganda?

Simone Puccinelli (08:02):
To me and my, why is that? I truly believe that everyone deserves to understand and feel loved. And the, the most important love to feel is Jesus Christ loved. So <affirmative> creating an avenue and that’s what the school is for our child to be able to like for us to reach that child cuz we serve orphan and extremely poor children. And so if the teachers and the staff and myself can be that light of love and make that connect and with someone that has never actually experienced love, cuz you know, most of them like have been abandoned or their parents died. And so they’re outcast in society. And so they really are depleted of that experience. So my why is just for one more child to get to experience loved being

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:58):
Loved, which is such a, a great method for evangelism. This is the evangelism podcast. And so we’re always talking about different ways of, of reaching people, but really it comes down to loving people. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> wanting to show the love of Jesus to people. And have you seen some results in the, the lives of the kids? Are they serving the Lord

Simone Puccinelli (09:21):
<Laugh> yes. I, I have one personal experience of when we got to be there on the ground for two months of seeing this child, having like the depleted look versus the like bright look. And you could just tell all the difference of a child that’s loved and unloved and this child actually ended up passing away around the age of six. So I can’t really give a testimony that they’re like grown and serving the Lord, but there’s so many students that like come back and are just like, you know, so thankful that for their experience at our school and receiving, you know, that guidance. And so yes, I would say they are being transformed

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:03):
And your school has really become a light for the entire community. You’re mm-hmm, <affirmative>, you’re impacting more than the, just the children’s lives. You’re also able to have a positive impact on the, the parents, a community. And you really believe that it takes a whole village to raise a child. Tell, tell me what you mean by that.

Simone Puccinelli (10:26):
Yes. So Simone’s kids, we have a, a giving program and we, we call that group the village because we believe it takes a village to raise a child. And so we, we believe that also on, you know, on the ground in Uganda and the fact that we, we need the teachers, if we need the guardians and anyone in, in their lives pouring into their lives to create, you know, a, a good result in that child’s life. And to give them a chance to actually break out a of that poverty cycle and not just give an amount that, you know, helps them survive through this time. We want to give them the tools that they’re gonna need as an adult to find a good spouse, to be a good spouse, to be a good parent, to, you know, be a good employee or, you know, be ethical business person if they start a good job. So we’re are really thinking about their future and what we can put in their lives today to, to help them succeed tomorrow. And but the way people, you know, stateside and around the world can get involved and, and be a part of that impact is, is joining the village for us because

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:35):
So if someone is listening right now and they want to be involved and to help you help these children in Uganda, how can they be involved? What they can, they do to be a part,

Simone Puccinelli (11:47):
Well, become a part of the village <laugh> so, you know the village, we really see as true partners and them doing the work. So if someone has a heart for children in need and want to do that work and wanna make that part of their life story, they can join us and becoming a part of the village, giving, you know, a at $25 a month and be supporting the children in this, in this journey they have. And the recurring giving is, is so important because it doesn’t just say like, I’m gonna give to this cause, or I’m gonna give to evangelism. And this one time recurring giving says, I, this is what I want to be a part of my life story. I want my life story to be like, you know, I, I was caring for orphans. That was part of my life journey. A one time gift is good, but recurring gifts say, this is what I want to be a part of my,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:53):
Yeah, this is pure religion to care for widows and orphans. And so by caring for these kids, you’re actually doing what is so close to the heart of God. And so I want to encourage you, if you’re listening, go to Simone’s kids.org, mm-hmm <affirmative> S om, O N EES Simone’s kids.org and become a partner join with Simone and helping these children in the nation of Uganda. This is good ground. Our family yeah. Have been good friends for, for many years. And, and I’ve been watching Simone over the years build up this vision and, and it’s just so many amazing to see what God is doing through you. Let, let’s talk a little bit about the, the personal side of mm-hmm <affirmative> being a missionary and being in ministry not only are you helping to run Simone’s kids, right. But you’re also a wife, you’re a mother, right. You have two little children who you’re respons for. And so what is that like balancing, running a ministry, very successful ministry, and also being a wife and a parent.

Simone Puccinelli (14:05):
I believe it’s really about just spending time in prayer and looking at what obedience looks like for your life. And then God giving grace and providing and doing work where you can’t do the work. So because I also suffer with chronic illness. And so sometimes God calls me to rest, or God calls me to be at home with, you know a child. And so it looks like I’m not then being able to like 40 hard hours a week, but then, you know, God supplements, you know, the gifts and the time and multiplies what I do do as it. And then, so like, I don’t have to put in the 40 hours or doesn’t have to look like what the world thinks it needs to look like. And so to me, putting my family first, putting God first, like spending time with him is the most important, not like not putting any idols before him that meaning, you know, my time and my conveniences and then putting my family and then the ministry God takes care of, you know, what, what’s his, and ultimately it’s, it’s his ministry and he’s allowing me graciously to steward it here on this earth.

Simone Puccinelli (15:26):
And so I just, every, every time there’s a life change or maybe I’m sick for a week. We may get like a $10,000 donation and I may have made 30 phone calls and not raised any money. So really God, <laugh> you say, balancing all this, God just keeps taking me back probably where he takes most people of like, do you trust me? Do you trust me? Do you trust me? And is really hard place? You know, I feel like my whole life God wants me to just trust him and have faith in him and his plan. And just through every, you know, like my husband is trying, you know, gone through this, going to med school and we’ve had to, you know, have faith and trust of where he’s gonna be a resident. And if he’s gonna get to the next step and with both children, they were both through adoptions is having to have faith for him to build our family. And just faith for him to take care of the ministry. And yeah, I have to have a lot of faith. <Laugh>

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:29):
Well, you’ve taken what God has given you, this, this small vision mm-hmm, <affirmative> of helping a small group of kids and it’s growing and growing and growing. Yeah. And now you have a big vision impacting over a thousand kids every single day in, in Uganda. What’s the, the vision for the future. I know you have some more projects that God’s put it on your heart. What, what do you see happening in the future for Simone’s kids?

Simone Puccinelli (16:57):
Well, we have a campaign going on called big vision, big impact. And so we’re looking at prosing 50 to a hundred acres and using that to build out a state ofthe art high school state, ofthe art vocation in school and taking our current campus, which is about 10 acre, eight to 10 acres, and doubling the size of our primary school. And so being able to have 600 students instead of 300 students at the primary school, and then at the high school, just making it, making it a better experience for the, and being able to, instead of having a big, large dorm for 300 boys to live in, building out maybe homes of 12 boys per home, and getting like fam you know, mentor families in there to take them through the four years of high school, more being able to focus more on discipleship and one on one pouring into their lives. And so we’re looking at that being like a 300, 3.5 million project,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:00):
Well, that requires some, some big faith, but I believe God will provide right. And you’ll be able to do all that and, and even more. And I, I really believe that what you’re doing is so significant because these children that you’re training you’re, you’re, you’re training them in the things of God you’re imparting Christian principles into their lives. You’re, you’re speaking life into them in, into a, a situation where often there is poverty, where, where is no hope you’re, you’re bringing hope. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> in the midst of this, this situation. And I believe that out of your school, God is going to raise up students that will be future leaders in the nation of Uganda that could someday be president of Uganda. We always

Simone Puccinelli (18:47):
Say, we’re raising the next president. That’s our, what, that’s what we speak over our skull. <Laugh>

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:53):

Simone Puccinelli (18:53):
We blame

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:54):
It. Amen. And, and I think it will happen like, like you’re, you’re giving them top-notch education, helping them mm-hmm <affirmative>, but also giving them the, the spiritual component so that they can be close to God and to have that, that spiritual relationship with God.

Simone Puccinelli (19:10):
And, and one thing like, you know, evangelism, one thing that we really do at the high school is also teach evangelism and, and teach them how to be missionaries. And so there’s teams that go to the prisons, the local prisons, and do skits and pray for them. And then we have teams that go on like a monthly basis to different hospitals and go and pray for all the sick and see healings, and really just kind of try to encourage them to go to even deeper villages. So you know, we live in a remote village, but there is even deeper levels of remote villages where, you know, it’s only a mut huts, you know, there isn’t even access to get power. Like we, we work with families that don’t have electricity or running waters or run room houses, but there’s like places where that they wouldn’t even have access to connect to something like that. You know? So there’s, there’s deeper levels. And, you know, just, you know, when I go over there and then able to like share with we just really encourage them that, you know, they’re local and they’re Ugandan and missionaries from other countries and, and evangelists from other countries are great, but they can make that connection deeper than we can being from that country. If they’re willing to be missionaries to their own country.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:30):
I, I really feel like the holy Spirit’s giving me a vision right now of your school being a light and shining light throughout Uganda, but even to the surrounding nations mm-hmm <affirmative> and in areas that God’s gonna raise up, even kids that will be missionaries out of your school, that will go to Southern Sudan, which in many ways is even poor than Uganda is and scarier and, and Rwanda and Congo and Kenya and Tanzania. I mean, there there’s so much that God wants to do in that part of Africa and even up into Northern Africa. So you’ve got South Sudan, but then you’ve got north Sudan, which is mostly Muslim all the way up to Egypt. That entire region desperately needs the gospel. They, they need the hope of Jesus Christ. And, and so I, I just feel like the holy spirit is giving me a vision of your school shining light to that entire region of Africa.

Simone Puccinelli (21:33):
That’s amazing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:35):
And so I

Simone Puccinelli (21:35):
That’s really encouraging.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:37):
Amen. So I encourage you Simone, keep up the good work. Thank you. God’s hand is on you and I believe the, your best days are still to come. God has more for you. And so if you’re listening and you want to help the children of Uganda, if you wanna help educate them, you want to help feed them right now, go to Simone’s kids.org. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> find out more about Simone. You can find out some information about her and about the ministry. See some pictures of the beautiful kids. They’re so beautiful. Yeah. And they’ve got such beautiful face. I mean, they’re, they’re so good looking in, in that part of Uganda. And, and so go to the website, Simone kids.org, and find out how you can be involved. You can support them, even there’s possibilities of going over there on trips, even looking for people who have a heart for teaching to go and teach. And so there’s lots of ways that you can be involved in helping the children in Uganda.

Simone Puccinelli (22:30):
We’re even looking for full-time missionary stuff.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:33):
<Laugh> yeah. So

Simone Puccinelli (22:34):
There’s, that’s their call. I won’t call me <laugh>.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:37):
All right. Well, thank you so much, Simone, for being on the evangelism podcast. It was great having you here today.

Simone Puccinelli (22:42):
Thank you so much, Daniel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:44):
Thanks so much for listening today. I am excited about telling people about Jesus. And I want to invite you to be a part of helping us to rescue people from hell and take them with us to heaven. There’s two things you can do to help. First of all, can you go find the evangelism podcast on apple iTunes and leave us a positive review by giving a review, you will help other people find these valuable resources about sharing our faith. And second, would you become a financial partner with king ministries? Every single dollar that people give us enables us to lead at least one person to Jesus. And so that means for only $1, you can help start a party in heaven. And so today I want to invite you to become a monthly partner. You can start out for just a dollar, but if God puts on your heart to do more, of course you can do more, but please go to king ministries.com and become a monthly partner with us today to help us to lead more people to Jesus. Thank you so much. And God bless you

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Spring Break Mission Trip to Orlando, Florida

Your generous support is helping us raise up a new generation of young people who are called by God to be nation shakers and world changers.

Last month I had the privilege of being a team leader for Victory Christian School’s sixth grade mission trip.

This was a special experience for me because when my parents were missionaries in Mexico, we hosted Victory’s sixth grade mission trip for thirteen years in a row.

When I was a teenager, I remember running through the neighborhoods of Juarez, Mexico and inviting people to come hear about Jesus. During this week of intense ministry our family would lead up to fifty outreaches in a single week. Over the years thousands of people received salvation. In fact, much of my passion for soul winning can be traced back to when we hosted school groups in Mexico.

This year my son Caleb King is in sixth grade and it was his turn to go on a mission trip. I volunteered to be a group leader.

The school group was sent to Orlando, Florida. For the last several years, I have been traveling to Orlando to teach at Christ for All Nations Evangelism Bootcamp. One of the graduates built a mobile stage and put together a team that is doing monthly evangelism in the low-income neighborhoods of Orlando. Our team partnered with his team from the evangelistic ministry of Christ for All Nations to reach several neighborhoods with the Gospel.

Someone asked me, “Why would you go on a mission trip to Orlando, the home of Disney World and Universal Studios?” The reality is that even a place like Orlando is a mission field. If we are going to see revival here in North America, we need to make a deliberate effort to evangelize here in our own nation.

As we took our team of sixth graders out into the neighborhoods of Orlando, we met families from Mexico, Venezuela, Panama, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Brazil, Haiti, and Jamaica. We attracted them to our outreach with music, games, bouncy houses, cotton candy, popcorn, and snow cones. My son Caleb’s favorite part of the mission trip was running the snow cone machine. I think he ate one snow cone for each he gave away!

Our team of sixth graders did plays and dramas on the stage. In each service, several young people gave a testimony. At the end, one of the Evangelism Bootcamp students gave a Gospel message and people got saved.

I was impressed by the faith of the sixth-graders as they gathered around kids and adults, laid hands on and prayed for them. Afterwards, we captured the names and addresses of those who got saved so that a local church can follow up on the new believers.

At one neighborhood outreach, I saw a group of four African American teenagers. They watched from afar but after a while lost interested and started to walk away. I quickly grabbed them and asked if they would like to give their lives to Jesus. All four teenagers agreed to pray with me for salvation. Now those four teenagers will be with us in heaven. It is moments like these that make evangelism worthwhile.

Whether I get to lead a person to Jesus one-on-one or have the opportunity to pray with thousands of people in a mass salvation prayer at a crusade, I get excited when people decide to follow Jesus. This is what ministry is all about. We have the privilege of making an eternal impact in people’s lives.

It was an amazing feeling to be able to introduce the next generation of young people to the joy that comes from being a soul winner. When we returned from the trip, my wife Jessica asked Caleb what he learned. He said, “Mommy, I learned that telling people about Jesus is what I want to do.”

Thank you for sending me to the nations and thank you for helping us raise up a new generation of young evangelists. Your generosity is helping us to plunder hell to populate heaven!

Your Missionary Evangelist,

Dr. Daniel King

Calvin Hunter | AMPED up for Jesus

Calvin Hunter is a young evangelist who is traveling to cities across America to reach people for Jesus. His ministry is called AMPED and they use music, bouncy houses, and extreme sports to attract the lost. As you listen to today’s podcast, you will be inspired by his passion for Jesus and his passion for reaching people for heaven.

AMPED = Awakening Mankind’s Powerful Eternal Destiny

For more information about Calvin Hunter visit: https://www.swordministries.org/

Big Idea: When you answer the CALL, you have to give it your ALL.


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Calvin hunter is a young evangelist who is traveling to cities across America to reach people for Jesus. His ministry is called amped and they use music, bouncy houses in extreme sports to attract the lost. As you listen to today’s podcast, you will be inspired by his passion for Jesus and his passion for reaching people for heaven.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:37):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King were Daniel interviews. Full-Time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:01):
To do the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a special guest with me, Calvin hunter. He is the director of amped ministries and through their ministry. They’re going to communities all over the United States, telling people about Jesus, Calvin, thank you for being with me today.

Calvin Hunter (01:23):
Thank you, sir. Great to be here,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:25):
Calvin. What does the word amped mean? Tell me about how you came up with that.

Calvin Hunter (01:31):
So AMPED means Awakening Mankind’s Powerful Eternal Destiny. It is a vision that God put on our heart to go into the cities across America, to stir up the people, to see the destiny and the call that God has for their life, for them to, to start walking in that full potential that God has for them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:53):
Can you tell me about some of what you’ve done recently?

Calvin Hunter (01:58):
Yeah. recently with amped, I was actually just in Houston, 10 Xs, where we took we worked at the local church there and we took people out on the streets and we did one-on-one street evangelism with the people there in Houston and reached over a thousand people face to face with the gospel. My wife and I personally did, and a span of about 10 dates. And so that was something that we did recently was the one-on-one outreach because every person, as you know, is called to do the work of an evangelist. Everyone has an anointing, has been given the gift of soul winning.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:37):
So tell me, what is that, What does that look like doing one-on-one evangelism? What are you saying? What responses are you getting from people?

Calvin Hunter (02:47):
Yeah, you know, I would say with one on one evangelism, it looks very different for each person at times. You know there is a pattern I personally like to stick with the place of, like, the Bible says that the goodness of God leads me to repentance. So with me, I like to stick with the place of letting people know that number one, Jesus loves them. So I always start a conversation, letting the person know, Hey, I want to tell you something today. I, to tell you that God loves you and he has a plan for your life. And so I always start the conversation with letting them know that Jesus loves them. You say, well, why would I start the conversation that way? Well, for me, it’s very personal because in 2012, when I first started soul winning, I remember I went to a nursing home and there was a lady in the nursing home and she was about 82 years old and I came up to her and that was the first thing I said. I said, Hey, ma’am I want to I’m here today. And I just wanna let you know that Jesus loves you and that God has a plan for your lives immediately. 82 years old living in the middle of America, you know, the Bible belt of America, the Bible be of the world and tears start running down her eyes. And she says, no one has ever said to me that Jesus loves me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:11):
Wow. So it was a revelation for her,

Calvin Hunter (04:14):
Yes. Revelation for her. And I think that we need to know that we think we’re, you know, and I’m talking to the Amer Evangel specifically. Cuz I believe that it’s maybe not. So in people’s minds around the world as much, but in America we need to know there are people around us. They don’t know who Jesus is and they don’t know that he loves them. And to just so that seed is the beginning of every can be the starting point of them having a relationship with Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:45):
Yeah. You’ve also organized large events getting lots of different churches involved. I remember a couple of years ago you did a great outreach in Spartanburg. Tell me about what God did there.

Calvin Hunter (05:00):
Yeah. And in, in Spartanburg, South Carolina, we ended up gathering over 30 churches together and we had over, we reached over 10,000 people with the gospel, brought together six different evangelistic ministries as part of our team and preached the gospel. And the town’s only about 90,000 people. And we reached over 10,000 people within one week. And what we did was we did men’s men’s conference women’s conference. We did prison ministry. We had youth outreaches. We went to the schools, I had, we had the BMA ex guys do tricks and team extreme breaking bricks and bats. And we preach the gospel in the schools to the different schools that would let us in. And, and then we invited everyone out into a park where we had even more activities, bounce houses food that was given away and preached the gospel throughout the whole day in the park had different. A lot of times I like to work with, I like to bring the churches together. So they’re all showing the unity of the body of Christ. You know, so we had different worship teams there, different rappers and artists and everyone was sharing their testimony and preaching the gospel throughout the whole, the whole main day in, in the event there in sparing part.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:28):
I remember when you were preparing for that, you had come with me on a mission trip down to the nation of Belise, where we did a mass of one day outreach to the entire nation of least 10 different crusades happening all at the same time. And you helped to organize and to set that up and you were so excited because everything we did in Belize, like we did a, a conference for businessmen, you said, oh, I gotta do a conference for businessmen in Spartanburg. And we did something for the young people you’re oh, I gotta do one of those for, for Spartanburg. And then we did a children’s outreach. You’re like, oh, I gotta do a children’s outreach. I gotta have some strength teams. I gotta have some, some extreme sports. And so that’s one of the things I really like about you, every idea that you saw, you immediately thought about how you could put it into practice in reaching people for Jesus. And now you’re doing the events and, and you have several planned coming up over the, the next few months you have bouncy houses, a, a sound system. Tell me about the, the outreaches that you have coming up.

Calvin Hunter (07:30):
Yeah. So coming up, we have over seven churches coming together in Springdale, Arkansas, we’ve rented a rodeo O and so we’re gonna have a big worship night on Friday night, all the churches are coming together, gonna do a big worship night, preach the gospel. And then on Saturday we’re gonna have bounce houses. We’re gonna have team extreme there, the BMX BMX guys there, and we’re gonna, we’re gonna, I’m gonna come a few. I’m I’m actually going down there here April 15th and I’m gonna be taking two people on the streets, teaching them about one-on-one evangelism and going out in the streets and evangelizing with them. And then coming back again, this will be June 1st through the fourth for the main outreach where we’ll go street evangelizing and the Massa crusade as well. And so we’re excited, but you know, to go back with the Belize thing, it is very true.

Calvin Hunter (08:24):
I think a lot of people, and, and I was already going, the Lord had spoken to me about Spartenburg and he had said to go into the city and to do the outreach. And so I was being obedience of the Lord. And then when I got connected and I got to go to Belize, I got to see everything that was going on. And I think that’s where faith has to kick in for the young evangelist, for the person that’s going. You, you’ve got to have the faith. When you see certain things to be like, you know what? I can do this. I can do this. You gotta believe to do the impossible. If you can’t believe to do the impossible, you’ll never try, but you gotta believe. And so you gotta, don’t ever lose the belief that you can shake a city don’t ever lose the belief, you know, as an evangels that you can change a nation, because that was our belief.

Calvin Hunter (09:09):
We went to believes. We said, Hey we can see all the beliefs here, the gospel and how, how many did we reach over a hundred thousand people during that, during that span. And, and I got to travel the whole country during that time, working with you and had my little brother with me, Daniel. And that was just amazing because that’s what it’s all about. It’s all about. And I got to learn a lot, you know, seeing under you learning and Evangel. And I got to take that and apply that in my own crusades and my own outreaches. And I still apply that same, same information I had today. I, you know, the simplicity of the gospel, you do an illustration that I love and you do it again. And again, I’m pretty sure anyone that’s seen you preach has seen it, but you know, you talk about the pastor that got up and he prayed for, for the one soul and he got the one soul and then the other pastor got up and he prayed for a guitar.

Calvin Hunter (10:00):
Well, that pastor got his guitar. Then that pastor and his one soul, they prayed for another soul. And that’s the thing we gotta, we gotta keep praying for the harvest and we gotta keep going and reaching the harvest. And so that is what is on my heart. A book, you know, by Tia Osborn, recently, soul winning. I mean, if anyone’s on here, they gotta get that book, get Daniel King’s books on soul winning and get that book on soul winning. If you’re not a soul winner, get the book, read the book, get fired up for Jesus. Cause it’s all about the kingdom.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:34):
You know, God is a generational God. He’s the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And one of the reasons that you have such a fire for evangelism is you come from a, a rich history of evangelism. Your father, Warren hunter is a good friend. He’s a great evangelist. And even in South Africa, your, your grandfather the preach, the gospel. And, and so talk to me a little bit about what you’ve learned from these previous generations and what you think God wants to do with our generation.

Calvin Hunter (11:06):
Yeah. You know I’ve learned it’s, it’s so amazing because my great grandpa was a missionary in South Africa. My grandpa is even he was diminished here over there, but now he does missionary in the nursing homes in Tulsa, Oklahoma, where he has sees miracles in the hospitals all the time. So he’s also a missionary in, in that setting. And then my dad, you know, traveling the world and I would say, you know, I learned, I learned about that. Love. I learned about the thing that I learned from all of them the most is the love of God. Every time they went out and did something, they always did it with the love of God. They never did it angry with people, or they always did it totally in love with Jesus and always saw, they were always full of joy. They just, everywhere that they went, my grandpa, my great grandpa, my dad, everywhere they go.

Calvin Hunter (12:02):
They’re always exuding the love of God to everyone that they’re around. And as I travel with my dad, I would see that he, he exuded the love of God, but you also taught me different things. As, as, as a minister, you always have to maintain a relationship with God. You can never think, oh, I’m doing the work of the ministry and not have that personal relationship with the Lord. So I always, I watched him with my dad specifically, where he would spend time in the word and in prayer every day, if we were overseas, it was, there was always spreading that time in the word and in prayer. And that was the foundation. You know, you’ll you, if you gotta, your time in the word in prayer is valuable. And I think for anyone that’s young in ministry, you need to remember that. Don’t just get caught up in doing the work of ministry, cuz then you’ll burn out and we don’t want you to burn out. We want you to continue to go strong. You know that this year it’ll be 10 years of me being full-time in ministry. I have not worked a secular job ever again in the last 10 years for 10 years, I’ve had the honor and the privilege to travel the world and preach the gospel. And the circumstances are always different. You know, when I was not married, I slept on the floor. I up in cars, you know, whatever, whatever it was

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:16):
Now that you’re married. It’s a little bit tougher to do that. I remember when I got married to my wife, Jessica, suddenly my hotel bills went up because in, in my, my food bills, she wanted to go to nicer restaurants than I ever did by myself. I’d go to McDonald’s. She’s like, let’s go to that nice restaurant over there, but God still provides.

Calvin Hunter (13:35):
Yeah. And many times when you’re traveling by yourself, you know, people will feed one person. But then when you got like 2, 3, 4 other five people with you, there’s no, there’s no feeding in that. You know, but you know exactly God does provide. And that’s one thing that I’ve seen now being with my wife, I, I wish it’d be great to maybe us do a podcast some time, but we’ve come together now in this place of unity where we’re both saying, okay, we’re going to reach the gospel. We’re going no matter what. And that’s another thing I learned from my parents is no matter what the cost, no matter when, no matter where, no matter why we choose to serve God and we choose to be obedient to him. And some people they’re like saying, oh, I want to be, I want to be led by the Lord to go get people saved.

Calvin Hunter (14:20):
I’m waiting for the holy spirit to speak to me or some magic little bell to ding and ring over someone’s head. But it’s like, no, like the word of God is inspired by the holy spirit. He’s spoken. He wrote it down. He’s already spoken to us to go into all the world and preach the gospel he’s already into us. And so that is what I learned from them as well is you’re, you’re, you’re called, you’re called to go. And you, you have the choice. You can answer it or not. And so that’s what I learned from them. When you answer the call, you gotta give your all. Cause if you don’t put your all in the call, you’ll be in trouble. You’ll run shipwreck.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:55):
When you answer the call, you gotta give your all, I like that.

Calvin Hunter (14:58):
That’s right.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:00):
In fact, I’m gonna put that in my, my notes on, on my website, under every podcast, I put notes in a transcript of what people say it’s valuable. And I think that’s one of the most valuable things that you’ve said is when you answer the call, you have to

Calvin Hunter (15:18):
Give your all,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:19):
Give your, all, give your all for Jesus. So talk to me about inspiring young people. When you do your outreaches, you get a lot of young people involved and a lot of young people helping do you see God doing among a younger generation

Calvin Hunter (15:36):
Man with the, with the younger generation, they are people that are just waiting to hear. And once they hear they get ignited and they’re, they’re ready, they’re ready to run everyone that I talked to the younger generation, some of them, you know, especially with those that have, that have been in the church before, it’s like, they’re waiting, they’re waiting to connect with someone. They’re waiting to connect with a community or a family. And the second that they get plugged into that family, their potential is unleash because there’s such a, an, an energy to the younger people that once they get it, they become zealous and they’re ready to run with it. You know? And so I see that is if we will go after the younger ones, you will, you will see that the holy spirit will change their life completely. They’ll set them free they’ll and, and you, and they gotta be discipled, but they’ll run with it.

Calvin Hunter (16:37):
They’ll run. They don’t have any, they’re not gonna, they’re not out here trying to figure out all the theological doctrines and everything. But when they get it, they can take the simplicity of the word and run with it, with fire. And I see that, I see the younger people getting the word of God and running with it. They’re running with it. And even now I see young people gathering around me, young families, younger, the younger generation you could say, and, and we’re, we’re like, where do you wanna send us? God? Where do you want us to go? And so that’s what we’re believing. We’re believing like, God, wherever you want us to go, we’ll go. And we’re just out here. We’re just ready to run with the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:14):
That’s awesome. Because

Calvin Hunter (17:15):
That’s that, that’s everything to us. You know, the world is trying to offer so much. The world has so many different ideas and things that it tries to offer. And we’ve, we’re like, no, that, that stuff has no taste compared to the kingdom of God. It has no taste compared to the things of God, the video games, the TV stuff, the movies, all that stuff that is trying to cloud people. But, but the young people they’re sitting there and they’re not satisfied. The more social media, the Instagram, none of this is satisfying them. The only thing that can satisfy them and bring them true. Liberty and joy is Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:51):
Amen. That’s

Calvin Hunter (17:52):
We see it when they get Jesus. They’re they’re come. They’re getting they’re coming off. Everything.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:58):
Amen. Yeah. Well, I wanna say thank you, Calvin, for being on the evangelism podcast. If you’re listening and you want to help Calvin hunter to do his AMPED outreaches to the young people of America and to reach entire cities for Jesus all over America then I’d encourage you to support him. Your, your website is sword ministries.org. Is that the best place for people to go to support?

Calvin Hunter (18:30):
That is the best place. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:31):
Yeah. So SwordMinistries.org go there and, and give a gift helped Calvin hunter to reach people for Jesus. He’s doing an amazing job going out and a reaching the, going after the, the hungry, spiritually, hungry young people of America. It’s so valuable what you’re doing, Calvin.

Calvin Hunter (18:59):
Thank you. Yeah. And you know, we’re believing I was sharing with you too. Like right now we’re believing to purchase a brand new camper, $40,000. My wife and I, cause we were wanna take that camper and go from like Maine to Florida and just go every two weeks to a new city, preaching the gospel. And so, you know, if there’s anyone that’s listening, that’s connected to any of those regions, we would love to help you. Or you’re like, you wanna go out soul winning. We would love to come and tag team together with you. You know, I never was a soul winning there until someone else went out with me, they said, come with me, I’ll show you how a soul win. Next thing I know, 40 people were saved. And so it’s always like that. Sometimes you just need someone to come alongside, you, walk with you. And next thing you know, your life will never be the same again. You’ll be become, you’ll see souls everywhere you go.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:48):
Amen. And that’s what

Calvin Hunter (19:48):
You did with me. I went to Belize with you. Like I came alongside of you. My life has changed. I can never look at evangelism the same way and I can’t do it the same way. I see it in a bigger picture that we can go further than ever before as well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:02):
Amen. Well, I believe that God wants to bring revival to America and it’s going to take ministers and people like you, that will go after the lost go after revival and, and, and get people fired up. And so Calvin you’re doing exactly the, the right thing. You’re you’re right in the middle of God’s heartbeat for people.

Calvin Hunter (20:25):
Amen. Thank you. Yeah. You know, Jesus came as something I shared on Sunday is what did Jesus come to do this seek and save that which was lost. And that is, I feel like that that’s the father’s heartbeat seek and save, seek and save.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:42):

Calvin Hunter (20:43):
Everyone is called to seek and save and be a part of that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:46):
Amen. Well, let’s finish up the, the podcast with a prayer Calvin for people that have a heart for evangelism. Could you just pray some holy spirit fire for, for anyone who’s listening that wants to be more on fire for sharing their faith with others?

Calvin Hunter (21:04):
Yes, Lord father. I just think you for everyone that is listening, I thank you for everyone that is connected to this podcast. Thank you father. God, they, they would be encouraged. So they would be uplifted father. I thank you, Lord, that you give them a passion for the lost and a hunger for the things of God father. I thank you, Lord, that you would ignite this passion even for a, in their region, that they would see that they don’t have to go overseas to Africa or go to Brazil or Belize the father, God, that they would see that the harvest is right there. Next door to them. The harvest is right there in Walmart. The harvest is all around them that you would open their eyes, that they would see the harvest that just as the Eagle lifts its eyes and looks into the sun and the oil drops over its eyes who can see the fish beneath the water father.

Calvin Hunter (21:53):
I think you Lord that their eyes would be open to see the fish beneath the water. I thank you Lord, that they would have a harvest of souls that Amos 9:13, that and the Plowman would overtake the Reaper that as they go and start sewing seed, they would see a super pre natural harvest of souls. And I thank you Lord, at that, those that are doing this, even now that Lord, you would encourage them that they would not grow weary and well doing, but father God, that they would know that they can continue to go, continue to go give them strength, father, God, give them a greater boldness to preach the word. And thank you, father God that they go, they go anointed. They go full the glory. They go full of the joy of the Lord this day in Jesus name. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:37):

Evangelism Podcast Host (22:39):
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Daniel Amare | Evangelism Strategies in Ethiopia

Daniel Amare knew my wife before I ever met her. At that time, he was working as a sound engineer for massive crusades with the Joshua Campaign, led by Karl Hargestam and for World Impact Ministries with Peter Youngren. He also worked for several years showing “Heaven’s Gates, Hell’s Flames” to rural villages in Ethiopia. On today’s podcast he discusses evangelism in the nation of Ethiopia.

Connect with Daniel Amara on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/daniel.amare3


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Daniel Amare knew my wife before I ever met her. At that time, he was working as a sound engineer for massive crusades with the Joshua campaign led by Karl Hargestam and for World Impact Ministries with Peter Youngren. He also worked for several years showing “Heaven’s Gates, Hell’s flames” to rural villages in Ethiopia. On today’s podcast he discusses evangelism in the nation of Ethiopia.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:41):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:06):
Welcome To the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me, Daniel Amare in Ethiopia. Thank you for being with me today.

Daniel Amare (01:19):
Thank you for inviting me for this program. I’m also very happy to be with you for this program.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:26):
Well, thank you. You have actually known my wife Jessica longer than I have known her. Tell me how did you meet my wife, Jessica.

Daniel Amare (01:37):
Okay. I think about maybe more than 15 years we met with her I think when we are going to perform World Impact ministry Crusade in Kenya especially the place, I don’t know, maybe Carrie or Kaga also with Joshua Campaign, but we stay with work closely for six months there and we evangelize there. There are so many friends still. I remember them. We were having a very, very special time at that time. We are evangelizing by all our power, you know, the passion that time what we have is amazing still, you know so I’m very, very happy being known with Jessica. Jessica was my best friend at that time and she is working closely with me whenever she go. I was there and wherever I go, she was with me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:40):
I know Jessica loves you very much. Wow. And so at that time world impact ministries was the ministry led by pastor Peter Youngren, great Canadian evangelist. And Jessica was working with pastor Peter. She actually lived in Kenya as a, a missionary team leader for a year. And then she became a crusade director and helped to organize some of the world impact crusades. And so that’s where she met you. And at that time you were one of the, the sound engineers for the, the big crusade and, and you helped to, to set up the sound system and make sure all the sound was, was working. Right. tell me, what was some of the fruit that you saw the, were those big crusades?

Daniel Amare (03:34):
Yes, absolutely. You know first for the first program, we move Joshua campaign sound system and the track from Ethiopia down to Nairobi. Also we have, I think, more than six programs in Kenya and then after, and

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:57):
Joshua campaign is the ministry by Karl Hargestam. Yeah. He’s from the nation of Sweden and he started Joshua campaign and, and now the leader of Joshua campaign is per office. And, and we’re actually here this week in Ethiopia with Joshua campaign, many years later, they have been doing crusades across this whole part of Africa for, for 23 years now. But you were there in the very early days, the very beginning.

Daniel Amare (04:24):
Yes. I’m also the first man for Joshua campaign also. And also for pastor Peter. He, he came to Egypt and meet the Joshua campaign founder, Karl Hargestam. I was there and we were for every pro together with pastor Peter Youngren and Karl Hargestam. Then after some time pastor Peter sent his new sound system from Canada to Nairobi. I was there in Nairobi and I built another very new sound tower stage. And so many things after that with drive down to Tanzania even to Tanzi bar also, we have unforgetable mission time at that time. I think it is more than 70 years or something.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:17):
You have been involved in evangelism for many years now. After you worked with Joshua campaign, then you began to work with a, another ministry here in Ethiopia that was using the tool of heavens gates. Hell’s flames to evangelize. Tell me about that and what that evangelism was like.

Daniel Amare (05:37):
Okay. the ministry called reality outreach ministry and it Lee by pastor Chris. He lived in London and he is a, a African coordinator also, and we have one ministry here. We project “Heaven’s Gate and Hell’s Flame” every night to the invited church, the churches will invite us. We go there and we project that movie. It is very powerful movie video. And so many people are surrender their life for Jesus. I served with them for about six years in six years, for sure. I can say more than 10,000 people get saved through that ministry. I remember even with one night video program, about 600 people got saved in down south Ethiopia also in ADIs ADIs is a big city and we project no we did a live drama in one of the big churches with one day presentation, about 450 people got saved here in the middle of the town.

Daniel Amare (06:55):
So it was very, very powerful. I don’t know this time I didn’t hear that much because of the politics and the living things in our country. The ministry do not act that much like when I serve. So it was very, very powerful ministry and I did with them and with Joshua is already impact ministry. You know, from the day I got saved still, I am serving God on the mission field right now, you know sometimes when Corona COVID 19 become active things are going down. So that time living is very char. So I working part-time in the church and I try to manage my families. You know, I work on one Christian international hotel as a manager, but it takes me away from ministry that was not good for me because that is not in my heart. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:57):
You obviously have a great call from your God, from, from God on your life for evangelism and a, a passion and a, and a heart for that. And, and God has honored that over the years, and you’ve done so much evangelism here in Ethiopia and, and, and now you’re, you’re working with a church here. Tell me what is Evangel like at the, at the local level, working with the church

Daniel Amare (08:23):
Evangelism, you know every church has claim that they’re doing evangelism, but when you come to the tangible things most of them are not evangelism. They’re not working evangelism, they’re promoting them because when you are evangelism, people must be God serve and must be disciples of Jesus. Then they must be attached with the church and with the ministry for the, the rest of the lifetime. So at this time somebody can hear and he, he decided to accept Jesus. Then there is no people to follow him to make, to help him to grow in the house of God. So my church, we plant a new church, maybe it’s about four months old. This time we are struggling to erect, but we put a very clear strategy and goals for our ministry. And we decide to make every new believes who came to Jesus to disciple the, and to help them to grow fully in Jesus Christ. So that make made a change. You know, this time for this time Christianity and the church politics, we call Ethiopia, this is church politics because every ministers, every, every pastors are fighting for themselves as, not for mission, not for their call. So we need to make, to push these things toward the right direction which is stated in the Bible.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:09):
Let’s talk about the nation of Ethiopia for a moment. Ethiopia mentioned many times throughout scripture. Yeah. And God’s eye is upon this nation. It’s a very special nation. In fact, in the book of Psalms, it says that Ethiopia shall quickly stretch out her arms towards God. And, and we’ve seen that in our crusade, in, in ambo Ethiopia this week, thousands of people lifted up their hands it to say yes to, to Jesus. And over the years Christianity has, has grown greatly in Ethiopia. Really Christianity goes all the way back to acts chapter eight, the Ethiopian Munich, who was ministered to by the first evangelist, Philip, the evangelist. And so Ethiopia as a very rich heritage of serving Jesus. But during the, the era of communism the evangelical church at the end of that era, that they, they were very persecuted. They were tortured for their faith.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:14):
Many Christians were even killed. And at the end of that peer, the, the evangelical church was only about a 3% of a nation at that time. Maybe about 40 million people. Yeah, well, today the nation of Ethiopia has 112 million people. And the evangelical church has grown from 3% to now it’s over or 20%. And so this is one of the greatest revivals in church history. Not many people know about what God is doing here in Ethiopia, but just tell me, what is it like to be a part of that and to, and, and what do you think God’s plans are for the nation of Ethiopia?

Daniel Amare (11:54):
Great and very interested question that, you know everything is, as you say in the book of God, Ethiopia mentioned more than 40 times, you know, and the first country, which mentioned before Israel also is Ethiopia. So God has a pro is for Ethiopia, and he has a covenant with Ethiopia. So what, right now we can see in Ethiopia is that his king his covenant is fulfilled because you know, Ethiopia more than 10 years, I know but the previous government is the previous administrative systems in Ethiopia are very, very harsh. And for Christianity also, you know, everywhere Christians and churches are persecuted. You can’t have a right even to have a Bible in your hand, in some part of Ethiopia, more, maybe more than half part of Ethiopia in a, and in, in some big cities only you can worship open door.

Daniel Amare (12:59):
Maybe you can express your faith boldly for anybody, but when you go to the Northern part of Ethiopia, which is right now in problem in travel with the war with the previous ruling art so that people are claimed, they are the first believers of the world. Even they claim more than Israels before Israels, they are the first believes Christian people and the original genuine Christian believes that is Al sort of church. We call it and they, they do not teach them their believes the Bible. So their Christianity is mix it, highly mix it with heroes and cultures, you know, so that thing crippled the truth. Christianity grows in Ethiopia, but be after 10 years the churches got a big chance to declare themselves as a Christian community.

Daniel Amare (14:07):
And they start evangelizing all over the country. We are doing here and there, and so many big, big Cru with Joshua campaign, the first big Crusader in Ethiopia. And I want to thank them right now. And Peter and green also did a very, very big things. And also you, as a evangelist came to Ethiopia, even we go together to the Western part of Ethiopia, you remember to the south. And we did in many, many parts of Ethiopia, a big Evangel evangelized Crucet. And there are very, very fruitful. Maybe we don’t have tangible data in the churches, but I think they are, we Christians in Egypt right now, more than 20% of the population. The other thing, what I want to say before you can see churches, maybe within one or two kilometers or distance, but nowaday, maybe 500 meters, you can get two, three churches even around us.

Daniel Amare (15:19):
Right now, we have about six churches within radius of 500 meters. So that is also sign for our girls of Christianity. And many, many ministry is, are now active in Ethiopia. Also. I am also, you know I have a mission in Northern part of Ethiopia at BARDA. There is one tribe, which is negative white of people. They claim they are Muslims, but they are not Muslims because the Muslims society, even they do not give them a chance to be with them. They are almost the people who, which are hit by other community of the Northern part of Ethiopia. They eat hippos meat and they are not good in

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:12):
Eat hippo meat. Yes. Is that good? Have you had some?

Daniel Amare (16:16):
Not Good. So because of that, the other people reject them, you know, they’re living at out skirts of the bar city in numbers. There are about 10,000 last year I was there for one week to study about that society because we have a plan to evangelize them. So I have five people with me who are working for that mission, and we are working with Northern bar city Christian fellowship together. And we have going to train and the pastors in the city, how to reach this unreached people to evangelize. So the other many ministries are working here and there in Ethiopia. So right now the evangelize evangelizing work is in very good way. The only thing. Now we have, have a difficult about the war or the conflict in Northern part of Ethiopia. It tax lot of evangelism workers around there because we have a plan even to move to Tua. But right now it is impossible, impossible. We believe that God may give us a good time to reach them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:34):
We are praying for the peace of Ethiopia,

Daniel Amare (17:37):
Praise God that we need the whole world need to pray because we are following the medias of the Western world. They transmit not good and genuine news because as you see now, Ethiopia is very peaceful country, but they still, every day they say Ethiopia is in danger is not good area to live even to visit. So it’s false. So fake news here and there, you know, co

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:09):
Well, we have felt completely safe the entire time that we have been here. And everyone that we have met here in Ethiopia has just been so welcoming and so gracious and kind to us. Let’s talk a little bit more about my wife, Jessica. Oh, okay. You knew her before. I met her. Yes. Tell me, what was she like back in the day? What was it that made it so special that to work with with my wife, Jessica

Daniel Amare (18:38):
Jessica is a wonderful woman. You know, she loves too much. Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:45):
That’s why I married her.

Daniel Amare (18:46):
Yes. I know. I know. Even, you know I know you before you, you, you, you meet her. I think, so you love Jesus. She love Jesus. And that is a great combination. So you know, she also has a different hurt for me. I know I very much, because I have so many pictures in my home which is together with her. You know, when we are going to sh shine place, she’s with me, I have a picture. I have a picture with her when we go to buy something in market cultural market in Tanzania, in Kenya, in so many different places to visit zoo visit some special places. You know, I know I have a good place in her, her heart, me too, you know why I’m running to visit and to see you because I thought I may meet her through you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:52):
Well, Jessica sends her love. She is in Tulsa, Oklahoma now with our, our two children. But I know that she has great love for you and, and just really enjoyed working with the Lord hand in hand with you so many years ago brother Daniel, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. Thank you for working for the Lord and your heart for evangelism. You are such a great blessing.

Daniel Amare (20:20):
Thank you. Thank you. And I want to say Jessica just take my greetings for your kids and Jessica too. I am very pleased for what she is still doing with Jesus. Thank you, Jessica. Be blessed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:39):
Amen. Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast. I am excited about telling people about Jesus and we could not preach the gospel without your help. Over our years of ministry, we found that we’re able to reach one person for Jesus, for every dollar that people give us. And so that means that if you would give us $1, we could start a party in head. In fact, I’m asking people to join our partnership program and give at least $1 every single month to help us to lead more people to Jesus. This is the greatest investment of your dollar that you can make. It’s the only investment that’s gonna matter 10,000 years from now. So if you would like to, to help us lead people to Jesus, please visit king ministries.com K I N G king ministries.com and help us lead people to Jesus today. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (21:40):
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Mohammed Seid Ali | Muslim Becomes a Church Planter

Mohammed Seid Ali was born into a Muslim family and he was sent for Islamic training to Oman. Today he shares the amazing story of how God saved him. Now, he is a church planter. On today’s episode, we discuss his role in the church planting strategy of the Joshua Campaign. Their goal is to do frontier evangelism in the hardest to reach village areas of Ethiopia.

Connect with Joshua Campaign on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/joshucampaignethiopia/


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Mohammed Seid Ali was born into a Muslim family and he was sent for Islamic training Toman today. He shares the amazing story of how God saved him. Now. He is a Christian Church planner. On today’s episode, we discuss his role in the church planting STR of the Joshua campaign. Their goal is to do frontier evangelism in the hardest to reach village areas of Ethiopia.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:41):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:05):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. Today. I am in the nation of Ethiopia in the city of ambo and I have brother Mohamed with me. He is a church planter working with Joshua campaign brother Mohamed. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Mohammed Seid Ali (01:28):
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:33):
So Joshua campaign is led by Per Akvist. He is from the nation of Sweden, but he’s married to an Ethiopia and it was originally founded by Karl Hargestam, who is another missionary from Sweden and they have done massive gospel crusades all over the nation of Ethiopia, but a very important part of following up on new believers is planting churches because in many places there are not churches. And so brother Mohamed is leading the church planting effort. Can you tell me a little bit about the strategy that Joshua campaign is using to plant churches here in the nation of Ethiopia?

Mohammed Seid Ali (02:23):
Thank you so much for asking me this. As, as you know, that, as you said, that Joshua campaign church planting department, as one of the department in Joshua campaign we have strategy and roadmap to reach the unre people nowaday. We are planting a church in third part of Ethiopia. It’s a region that’s totally UN rich area. The nation that’s Muslims nation. So Joshua campaign together, working partner with God love covenant church together. And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:06):
So God’s love covenant church is a denomination. It’s a group of churches about how many churches are, are in God’s love covenant church

Mohammed Seid Ali (03:15):
Nowadays about 70 churches,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:19):
70 churches working, and you’re actively working to plant more. Yeah.

Mohammed Seid Ali (03:23):
So now just we are focusing in Eastern part of Ethiopia, just we are planning to plant 120 churches Eastern, just, we are focusing like 30 churches in five years. Next year, maybe we’ll, we’ll have 120 churches.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:44):
Wow. That’s wonderful vision. And so talk to me about how you are planting churches. I know that recently Joshua campaign has purchased some motorcycles. Originally. They wanted to purchase one motorcycle for a church planter and miraculously God provided enough funds to be able to purchase four motorcycles. So what are you doing with those motorcycles?

Mohammed Seid Ali (04:08):
Yeah just we are, we are doing with those motorcycles. We are going to visit the unreached area that not go or reach the car, the vehicles, you know, that’s why we use those bikes to go there and to visit and to serve the people group, especially in a remote area. So those full motor bikes still, they are not enough just we need more motor bike and car because as you know, that CHOP’s very wide country. So especially in Eastern part of Ethiopia, we need more motorbikes and car.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:53):
So you’re using the motorbikes to go into remote regions where a car cannot go. Yeah. Where there’s no other way to get there and you’re going, I’m sure it’s very bumpy. You’re going very far. Yeah. And there are no churches in these areas. Yeah,

Mohammed Seid Ali (05:13):
No churches no can car cannot reach the place. So we use those motorbike like valley. Sometimes it can be valley. It can be like, you know, mountains like that. So we use those bikes to resource people group.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:31):
So how many motor bikes in vehicles do you think are needed for the, the church planters in your vision? What would you like to see?

Mohammed Seid Ali (05:40):
Okay, now we like you, like, as you, as you know that we are, we have only four motorbike for the next five, six years. Maybe we need around 50 motorbike,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:54):
50 motorbikes. Yeah. And, and do you have church planters that are ready to take the motorbikes out and plant churches?

Mohammed Seid Ali (06:01):
Yeah, we already, we are now we have some around maybe 60 or 70 people that ready to train, guess we are, we gonna train them? We just focusing on them to send them out for the mission. So we need those motorbike for those guys for those missionaries.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:23):
And so these are truly unreached areas that they’re going to, how are you training these church planters? I, I know Joshua campaign has a Bible school. And then do you give them specialized training to know how to plant a church in an unreached area?

Mohammed Seid Ali (06:40):
Yes. Yes, we have. We, we just have training center and also we have Bible institution also. We are just building and focusing on that. Just, we also have like based in, adema called the city Adama. Yes. We have training centers there. So we gather them and we train them how to reach a people group, how to, you know, reach the unrich area. Then we will train them how to preach the gospel one to one and how to train and give follow up for the disciples for those who served. That’s our strategy. Sorry.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:27):
I know that Joshua campaign has a beautiful piece of land right next to a lake. And the goal is to turn that land into a training training center for church planters and for missionaries, for people who are going out to the nation of Ethiopia. Right now they are putting together a plan to build dormitories and meeting rooms there. And it actually has a hanger for a helicopter. The goal is to have a helicopter there, to even get to the places where the motorcycles I cannot go. And so you’re truly on the front edge of evangelism. This is true frontier evangelism that you are doing now. Your name is Mohamed. What’s your full name?

Mohammed Seid Ali (08:13):
Okay. My name is Mohammed Seid Ali,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:18):
It’s. Now when people hear Mohammed, they immediately, they don’t think of Christian Church planter. They think of someone who is Muslim. Yeah. And, and, and so were you born in a Muslim background?

Mohammed Seid Ali (08:31):
Yeah, my, my family, they’re from Muslim background, my mother, my father they’re Muslim background. I also grew up from a Muslim in background and I started grow and I grew up with my family. Then suddenly I went to Yemen and I start, I had started growing school there in Yemen. So one day, you know, I met a guy and he told me that my friend do you know Moham? There is Christians missionary here. They are working here. So they are preaching gospel here. So I was very jealous. How can be like that? I don’t believe I’m shock. And so I told my IAM, the leader of the mosque and he also, he became more nervous and how it could be like this. Then he told me to go and check and survey if they, so when I go there, the place where the Christians living the place, they were missionary, they were missionary, but they are giving like volunteers, they have a hospital and they give free volunteers service for the people.

Mohammed Seid Ali (09:45):
So, but underground, they preach gospel. That was their mission. So I, then I went there and I met the guy. So the guy I asked him, who are you? Yeah. He also told me that, who are you? Then? I told him that my, my name is Mohamed, but I heard that there is some Christians working here. So he said, he asking me that, do you want any help that, yes, I’m Christian. Do you want any help? I say, I, when I saw him, he’s just young. He looks very good, handsome. So I don’t believe you are a Christian. I felt that Christians are like, you know, demon or something like that. You know, finally he touched my shoulder and something is shocked. My body, maybe demon or some spirit. So I felt deliverers, you know? So he took me somewhere and we said together, invite me coffee, some other things.

Mohammed Seid Ali (10:43):
And he said to tell me about Jesus. So he’s the best missionary he’s trained missionary. He told me about Quran. He took some verse from Quran. He build that word according to the grand. So it was excited. He, he told me that he taught me, oh, I create heaven and earth. You believe that? Yeah. I believe that that’s also written on the ground and create element Ave. How in Adam? Yeah. Yeah. I believe that. Yeah. And finally, he, he, he mentioned a lot of Bibles qu and Bibles, you know, together. Then finally he took something from the Bible about Abraham and his son. God told him to kill his son. So do you know that? Yeah, but he’s not his it’s, like I said, that it’s a smell. Okay, come on. No problem. He said, he told me that. Okay. But you know why, what the purpose that God, you know, told Braham to kill his son.

Mohammed Seid Ali (11:47):
I don’t know that. Then he revealed that the main, the court things, you know, so he said, God also loves us. You know? So he, he send his son, Jesus Christ and he die for us, you know, finally. Oh, that’s why he, God, he send Jesus to die for us. Whoa is excited. Oh, that’s why I regard saying ISA. He told me a lot of things. Also, he, he mentioned from the Quran also about Mary, about mayor Maria, you know? So, so he told me about him also. And also, you know, God, he, the world by his, the world by his word, do you believe that? I say, yeah. Also in the ground, that reason Jesus, he, the word of God Killah, he said, yeah. So God, he create a world by his word. That was, is, that was Jesus. Oh, that’s another revelation I get.

Mohammed Seid Ali (12:53):
Okay. Finally, he took me a lot of things. Then I went to the mosque, but I can to tell that what I, what I heard, what I finally, I decide to fly away from that mosque. Then I went somewhere. Then I got house rent. Then I, I got one, God, he provide another woman that she’s a Christian. Then she’s sure my neighbor one night, you know, I was sleeping. That was the amazing thing. God changed my life. I was sleeping in my room. I felt, I saw the, the dream. You know, that dream was, you know, I was sleeping. Then I, I was going to fish a fish. Then I went to the lake. Then I tried to cut a fish, but it’s not a fish. It’s the Lake’s totally dark. Then I saw a man, a white guy. He’s very nice gentle guy. I say how, how it could be like that. This is, this is, you know, dark leg. It’s not, it’s not, it looks not looks good. So why it happened like that? Then I took that person to somewhere. Then I back again, I got a lot of people there from that dark leg. Then I wake up

Mohammed Seid Ali (14:22):
The next day that woman, the Christian woman she’s fixing coffee. And she invited me to drink there. Some Christians fellowship, they have there. So there was talking about their dreams immediately. The dream that I saw yesterday night, it came in my mind and oh please, can you hear me? I got some dream in my it’s yesterday. Oh, everybody’s quiet because I’m a Muslim. Then they start to hear were my dream. I start to talk to them. Then the woman, she said, hallelujah, that I heard that voice. The first time hallelujah said, she start to pro in my life. Mohammed, I’m telling you now from this day, I’m telling you you’ll be the disciple of Jesus Christ. I’m telling you, like she took some Bible verse, you know about Peter. And he was like fisherman. He told, you know, he start to fish. He went to fish.

Mohammed Seid Ali (15:22):
But God told him that yo, you will be a fisherman. A man. You will then, oh, is there in the Bible? Yes. She took the Bible and she, she, she showed me that. Then I say the dream that I saw and it’s completely the same. Then I say, what can I do? She told me, okay, now you have to bow down. Then stretch your hand and say like this pray. Okay. I saw her and she told me everything. She told me then, okay. I will come back waiting me. Then I went to my room. I bow down there and I stretched my hand. I start to pray. Thank you, Jesus. Now I believe you. Yes, you are. Lord. You are my savior from this. I decide to receive, you take all my life. Then I decided, I don’t know the same nights. I got peace in my life.

Mohammed Seid Ali (16:22):
Then I went back to Ethiopia immediately. So I had a lot of suffering. Of course, after I decided and received, Jesus just rejected me from the fellowship and the Muslim fellowship. They rejected me from the community. And finally they deport me to Ethiopia and I made some friends here and they took, they took me to the church and I, they baptized me. Finally. I made per west, I, her to drive by. And he, he came to my by judge. And he told me about Jesus. Yeah, I’m believer. I said, but he start to, he invite me to in his house. Then he invite me, my wife and me together and his house lunch. Then he start to pro my, you have a calling in your life just, oh, it was, it changed my life. You know? Then I decide. Then he said, now you, you have to work with me. You have to, what, what can I, what, what can I work with you? He, he told me that, okay, now you’ll be my interpreter, my translator. I don’t speak English. I said, okay, no problem. I give you dictionary and Bible that encouraged me. Then I start work with him. And finally just, I became,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:48):
Oh wow. And now God has made you a church planter. Yeah. And because you come from a Muslim background, yeah. You have a great heart for reaching Muslims here in Ethiopia. Are, are there many Muslims in these community where you are planting the churches?

Mohammed Seid Ali (18:04):
Yeah. A lot of, a lot of, a lot of people’s there are Muslim in, in the community. Just, we are now focusing on because we now train a lot of from like, as I told you that we have so churches in west Western part of Ethiopia. So we took some leaders from there and will train them and we will send, send them the Muslim community because the Muslims they need practical and life and love, you know? So just, I, my, my vision and my strategy is to teach them how to reach the Muslims. You know, just, you have, God has a strategy for the Muslim different strategy for the Muslims to reach, you know, so that’s my goal to train and send my, a lot of missionary in the Muslim area.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:55):
Wow. That’s amazing. Well, if you have a heart to help reach unreached areas in Ethiopia, frontier evangelism, if you have a heart for planting churches among Muslim areas in Ethiopia, then I want to encourage you to start to support Joshua campaign on my webpage. I’m going to post a link to where you can get in touch with pair office and with Joshua campaign Ethiopia, and you can help to support the ministry. We need help by buying motorcycles for church planters. We need somebody to give us a car yeah. To help with the church planters. Yeah. We need help to build dormitories for the Bible school and for the, the church planting Institute that is being planted. And, and so if, if you feel like God is speaking to you and you want to help to reach people who need Jesus in the most remote areas, the very front lines of gospel evangelism that I encourage you to support Joshua campaign and be a part of this amazing miracle of what God is doing here in Ethiopia, brother, Mohamed. It is so wonderful to hear your story. You have such a beautiful testimony of what God has done and, and you are now very well educated. You’ve done your, your master’s degree in Christian leadership, and now you’re working on your, your PhD. And so God is using you in such tremendous ways. And, and God has more for you. I believe that you will see many churches planted and you will see a great harvest of souls here in Ethiopia in Jesus name. Thank you. Thank you for being on the evangelism podcast.

Mohammed Seid Ali (20:40):
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much that inviting me in this Evangeline Broca B thank you that also to support and stand with, with us, with this ministry, as you say that we need car, we need also you now to reach the Muslims like 500, 600 kilometer from Ababa. So we need Madras. We need a lot of dormitory, a lot of things, you know, to go to reach those area. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:13):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast. I am excited about telling people about Jesus and we could not preach the gospel without your help. Over our years of ministry, we found that we’re able to reach one person for Jesus, for every dollar that people give us. And so that means that if you would give us $1, we could start a party in heaven. In fact, I’m asking people to join our partnership program and give at least $1 every single month to help us to lead more people to Jesus. This is the greatest investment of your dollar that you can make. It’s the only investment that’s gonna matter 10,000 years from now. So if you would like to help us lead people to Jesus, please visit king ministries.com K I N G king ministries.com and help us lead people to Jesus today. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (22:14):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

Come back for more episodes of The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelist Daniel King.

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk | It’s All About Jesus

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk is an Australian evangelist who graduated from the Evangelism Bootcamp at Christ for All Nations. He is passionate about following Jesus. Today, he talks about the vision God has given him for evangelism.

Connect with Geoffrey Ijsenbruk on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Geoff.Ijsenbruk


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Geoffrey Ijsenbruk is an Australian evangelist who graduated from the Evangelism Bootcamp at Christ for all Nations. He is passionate about following Jesus today. He talks about the vision God has given him for evangelism.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:52):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I’m with a very special guest Geoffrey Ijsenbruk from the great nation of Australia. Thank you for being with me today.

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (01:07):
Thank you bro. Very much for having me, Mr. King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:10):
And so we are right now in Ethiopia, we have just completed a great gospel crusade in the city of Ambo and you have come to be a part of it. Tell me, what do you think about what God did in the city of Ambo this week?

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (01:27):
Wow. Wow. I’ve never seen so many miracles in my life. I’ve seen a lot of miracles, but in a span of four days, thousands and thousands and thousands of salvations, thousands of miracles, I believe more than we could ever even see. Just ridiculous. I believe we’ve, God has really shaken up the, the city of Ambo and even more.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:47):
Now we first met at the Christ for all Nations (CFaN) Evangelism Bootcamp in Orlando, Florida. You were a student at the bootcamp and evangelist Daniel Kolinda invited me to come and to be one of the instructors at the, the bootcamp. How did you end up going to the Evangelism Bootcamp?

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (02:10):
I felt the call of God from, from a very young age. I was saved at 17 and essentially from, from the Geter, I knew that I, it was just like a, a sense that I had that I didn along here. I belonged doing what God wanted me to do. And I felt called to Africa. But for a very long time, I didn’t see it come to pass. I remember telling God one day in my car, I’m gonna book a, a flight tomorrow, God, and I’m gonna go tomorrow. I was only about 17 this time. And I said, I’m gonna go. And I was here and on the radio a man started preaching and he, he was preaching a message and he said, everybody wants to go to Africa. Everyone wants to go, but now is not your time. Soon, you will go. But not now. Now you need to focus on the neighborhood. You need to focus on where you live. And I, that was one of the first times that I really, God spoke to me like that. I was shocked. And when Daniel calender announced the bootcamp, I was a part of Y intake three. I saw it on his YouTube channel and it was exactly everything that God has been speaking to me about. And I knew that I had to go.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:23):
And so I was one of the instructors at the Evangelism Bootcamp, and there were many great instructors. What were some of the key things that you learned while you were at the Evangelism Bootcamp?

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (03:33):
Wow. There’s, there’s so many. They love to teach you crusade, evangelism, even just being a evangelist evangelist. I learned how to be the best part of myself, who Jesus has created me to be everything that I thought was hidden that I thought I couldn’t do. Jesus revealed in me. And suddenly I became bold. I became a preacher and every Daniel Kolenda helped to refine even my theology, my theology, the way that I each, the way that I talk to people, the way that I even love people, everything about me became more like Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:06):
And as part of the Evangelism Bootcamp, they always take people on an initiation to one of the crusades in, in Africa. And so you got to go to Ibadan, Nigeria. Yeah. And, and tell me what that initiation was like and what it was like being at the, the, the big flagship crusade there in Ian.

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (04:29):
Wow. If, if you have ever seen a Reinhard Bonnke crusade or Evangelist Daniel Kolenda crusade, they are unbelievable millions of people. 1.2 million people attended over the, the course of three days, 1.2 million and 700,000 people gave their lives to Christ. In, in three days, over the course of three weeks, me and my team of 90 evangelists, we saw over 230,000 people get their lives to Jesus. This is on the markets. These are in the schools of Ibadan, Nigeria. These are genuine decision. And each and every one of these people got followed up. We gave them decision books. We gave them everything. We saw miracles, deaf ears, blind eyes open every single day, we saw arms grow out. We saw people, supernaturally regain gain the ability of just supernaturally learn English. I can go on and on. There’s so many things that God had done in that crusade.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:30):
You feel that God has called you to be an evangelist. Yeah. And God’s given you a name for your ministry. What’s the name of your ministry?

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (05:38):
My name of the name is all about Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:41):
I love that. What a tremendous name, because really it is all about Jesus. Jesus is the one that we lift up as evangelists. And so you’re living in the country of Australia. And I believe that there’s much evangelism to be done in Australia. What’s it like telling people about Jesus in Australia? Have you have you done that?

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (06:04):
Yeah, me, I organize a team and we go out every Friday night, you know, it’s, it’s been, it’s really tough Australians. They’re, they’re very cut off from Christianity. But when the holy spirit comes, you see people start to cry. People who said they didn’t even believe in God, they come and they give you a hug. They said, I really needed that. Cuz when the holy spirit fills them, they, they feel something they have never felt before. They feel something that feels real for the first time in their life. And I believe there’s a revival coming in Australia. And if you’re Australian watching this, get ready for the revival, equip yourself and get under a great evangelist and start to learn. Start to learn even someone like Mr. King here. He has great sermons and great training on young for young evangelists.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:52):
Let’s talk some about the future in what God has placed in your heart. Art. What are some of the dreams? What would you like to do as an evangelist?

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (07:04):
Oh, there’s, there’s too many things I’d love to do. The, the biggest thing is I wanna see the world saved. I wanna see salvation after salvation, after salvation. I believe that my generation, our generation, we will see the come to Christ that has ever seen before. And I, I don’t say that to, to boast or anything. This is gonna be built on every single one of the, the people who have come before us, it’s gonna be built on their shoulders. And I believe we’re gonna see incredible harvest. The vision that I have for all about Jesus is firstly, I’m believing to see more than a million souls come to Christ. We’re gonna have crusade evangelism similar to what Daniel King does, crusade evangelism from country to country. We’re also gonna be equipping churches in those cities, but I also want to hit the, the countries that have really never really been hit by the gospel and have never had a lasting impact. I come from a place called Japan, mom, his she’s Japanese, I’m half Japanese. I have a vision to bring revival to Japan, to see the streets of Japan flooded with the gospel to see a place that is known for the suicide rate to begin to know Jesus as their savior. So many more. We wanna plant churches as well so that people in Japan can have a safe place to go. Even countries like Philippines. Yeah. So many different things.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:27):
Amen. Well, I believe those dreams come from the Lord and over the, the years to come, you are going to see God do tremendous things through your life. And this week here in Ambo, Ethiopia ha has really been tremendous. You, you really came to participate to be a part. And, and I just so much appreciate that you came with a servant’s heart, just ready to do anything. And, and you’ve been doing lots of different things. I mean this one day you’re taking pictures another day you’re sharing your testimony on the platform another day you’re you’re you’re down beside the platform, laying hands on deaf people and praying for the, the ears to be opened. And, and so this has been just tremendous having you here and you really came just with a heart to do whatever it took to, to help us have a, a successful cruc, but you’re still in the beginning stages of the ministry that God has for you. And, and one of the big reasons that you came, I think was just to, to learn. And so what are, what are some of the things that you, you feel you’ve learned this week good or bad, or, or what, what are some of the, the, the lessons that you’ll take with you?

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (09:33):
I’ve learned so many things for, from healing, the sick to essentially preaching a simple gospel message. You, you preach the message and it was on the, the second nine of the crusade. So clear, so clear that even, even someone who maybe like a six year old, I really believe a six year old could even comprehend that. So simple that many times we complic too many things about the gospel, but I really learnt how to preach a simple gospel message about healing, the sick. And even it gave me watching, watching you and pair evangelist pair organize this crusade. It gave me this hope and this joy that I know that I can do the same. It gave me this sense that, wow, wow, I’m gonna be doing this. I’m gonna be doing this. And it made it realistic as well. I, I loved every single part of it. It’s been so, so important to me. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:27):
The, the message that I preached was on the four greatest miracles in the Bible, miracle. Number one, God created you miracle. Number two, God loves you. Miracle. Number three, God saves you Nu miracle. Number four, God heals you. And, and you’re right. It is very simple. But it’s powerful. And, and I actually preach the exact same message in two different services during the crusade. And some people will say, well, why are you preaching the same thing again? Well, because those are such powerful truths. Yeah. God hated you. Yeah. God loves you. God saves you. God heals you. And I, I hope that long after the, the people that were there, forget my face, that they would still remember those powerful truth. That, that, oh, wow. God created me. God loves me. God, God is the one who saves me. And so I encourage you to, to preach that same message you, I give it to you. You can go and preach it at, at your crusades.

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (11:25):
Actually, I saw when I was out with my friend Evangel, Daniel Patterson a man approached us and he actually, we, we began to talk to him, took some photos and everything. And he told us, he said, wow, you were the one preaching the message and everything. I remember that message. I remember everything. And it’s so powerful. Like everything that you were preaching was so powerful, cuz you’re right. It sticks in their brain. And a man, a random guy came up to and, and noticed us and noticed everything. And he remembered the message. So powerful.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:57):
How old are

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (11:58):
You? I’m 23, 23.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:00):
And so you’re very young starting out in ministry, but I believe that God is raising up a new generation. And so what advice would you give to this new generation?

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (12:11):
Wow. That’s you? Yeah. As a, as a 23, 3 year old, I wanna give advice cuz I really, one of my passions as well is raising up the next generation. Even though I am part of the next generation, I really believe there’s gonna be a generation walking in things like miracles, sign wonders and incredible things that are even unimaginable to us. Biggest advice that I could give you is don’t let go and don’t let anybody destroy your passion for Jesus. Too many times. People of religious mindset have come and they’ve tried to shift my love for Jesus, but I’ll tell you stay the course stay the course. Jesus. He has a calling for you. He has a, a purpose for you. And you know what? I never got prophesied that I’ll go to the nations. Nobody ever came to me, no one ever prophesied you’re going to the nations, but I believed it in my heart. And Jesus, he honored that and you where I am now, we’re in the city of a country of Ethiopia. See God has a purpose. He has a calling over your life, believe in it. And he will honor and respect it and he will make it come to fruition. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:21):
Well Jeffrey, Thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast.

Geoffrey Ijsenbruk (13:30):
Thank you for having me speaking,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:33):
Thanks so much for listening to the Evangelism Podcast, I am excited about telling people about Jesus and we could not preach the gospel without your help. Over our years of ministry, we found that we’re able to reach one person for Jesus, for every dollar that people give us. And so that means that you would give us $1. We could start a party in heaven. In fact, I’m asking people to join our partnership program and give at least $1 every single month to help us to lead more people to Jesus. This is the greatest investment of your dollar that you can make in. It’s the only investment that’s gonna matter 10,000 years from now. So if you would like to help us lead people to Jesus, please visit king ministries.com K I N G king ministries.com and help us lead people to Jesus today. God bless you

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Suli Akoteu | Missionary From Tonga to Uganda

Suli Akoteu is a missionary from Tonga, an island in the South Pacific. He serves God along with his wife and seven children in the nation of Uganda. He is a member of Team Xtreme, a ministry led by Evangelist Kevin Stark. Suli uses feats of strength to preach the Gospel to the lost. On today’s podcast, you will hear the testimony of how Suli got saved and decided to dedicate his life to following Jesus.

Connect with Suli Akoteu on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/suli.akoteu

Support Team Xtreme: https://www.teamxtremeintl.com/


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Suli Akoteu is a missionary from Toga in island in the south Pacific. He serves God along with his wife and seven children in the nation of Uganda. He’s a member of team extreme, a ministry led by evangelist, Kevin Stark. Suli uses feats of strength to preach the gospel to the lost on today. Podcast. You’ll hear the testimony of how Suli got saved and decided to dedicate his life to following Jesus.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:40):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host mission evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:04):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me evangelist. Suli Akoteu from Tongo in the south Pacific. Thank you for joining me today.

Suli Akoteu (01:21):
Thank you. Thank I give you Daniel. It’s a privilege and order.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:24):
So we are in Ethiopia. Yes. We have just completed a big crusade. Yes. In Ambo, Ethiopia. Yes. And you came yes. All the way from Uganda where you’re a missionary to participate in this crusade. What did you think about what God did this week?

Suli Akoteu (01:42):
It was so powerful. It’s like, it’s, it’s unexplainable seeing the move of God, not only more salvation, but we have seen the miracle and sign and healing, all those accompany, the, the, the starvations of the people I’m. So still not yet really kind of seeing how the Lord was doing in humble.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:08):
Now this is actually the, the second time that you’ve come to Ethiopia to have a crusade with us. And the first time actually, there was a big problem. The crusade was scheduled, right. When COVID was for, are starting exactly in 24 hours before I was scheduled to get on the plane to come to Ethiopia. Yes. We had to cancel the crusade because the nation of Ethiopia said that no large gatherings were allowed. We, we, we literally could not even get into the country because there was a 14 day quarantine. Yes. But you were all already here in the country. You had come to the crusade. Yes. Two weeks early. Yes. In order to go into preach in the marketplaces and invite people to come to the crusade and, and, and you ended up getting stuck here in Ethiopia. And what was that like? Getting stuck in Ethiopia?

Suli Akoteu (03:01):
My goodness. Do explain that one is also unexplainable because come all the way from the small island con in the south Pacific to being with my family in Uganda. And that is the first time for me to experience crossing the port. And everything’s just closed down. We will rush from, from, to come to the airport, but everything is too late. I remember just in the hotel, like talking to my wife, my wife said, SU the power is off. Our vehicle is not even running. And then the water stop. I, I just went, I don’t know how to explain, but all I know that the one that he called me here to just to preach in albumin, he’s the one who’s going to look after my family. I just feel somehow very difficult to to, to, to cope with. But I know the one that he’s calling me, he’s promise that I will be with you even to the end.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:01):
So you are from Toga, but you are serving God as a missionary in Uganda. And so when you came to Ethiopia, Uganda actually closed the doors for people to go back into the nation, cuz they were so worried about COVID. So you got stuck here, not just for a week or, or two, but for several months, the crusade was in March. And then April, may you were still stuck here in Ethiopia at the time your wife was pregnant. Exactly. With twins. Yes. You didn’t know it. You already had five kids, but, but you, she was pregnant with twins and you were worried whether you would get back in time for your wife giving birth. And so you really made a great sacrifice to come to that crusade. And I want to say, thank you so much for your dedication in, in your faith that you would come back a second time after a, a horrible experience like that. So it it’s so great having you here this week and this week you’ve been so amazing. You you’ve taken steel bars and bent them in half as an illustration. Tell me, what does that mean when you break the steel bar in, into U shape?

Suli Akoteu (05:19):
Every, every power feed that we are using that has a message behind. So when, anytime that we are making pending the eye on bar, we just demonstrating that we are in a prison, but we always used to tell people the prisons of sin, only one person can set you free from the prisons of sin is Jesus Christ. So that’s why we used to pan in our head sometimes in our ti sometimes is our nose, but we just, that how the things that we are doing, we just spend it just to demonstrate court’s power.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:49):
And so you are a member of team extreme? Yes. A ministry that’s led by Kevin Stark. Yes. And both of you are YWAM missionaries. Yes. But how did that happen? That you from the nation of Tonga became a YWAM missionary in Uganda? How did that happen?

Suli Akoteu (06:12):
Let me go back a little bit to the, the beginning I was, I was joining YWAM in 98, 19 98. In 2000, I was doing the school of front mission. We do church planning in the west Africa the nation called Kana. So I worked there for four years and after four years, the Lord spoke to me. I have to go and top the program of team X him, because one day I was walking into the market and I saw one man doing his witchcraft and I see the way how he draw a crowd to himself. And then I just felt wrongly. The Lord said, go back, go back and join the team extreme. And then you adopt that strategies come with it to Africa. So I did 2007, the, the beginning of 2007, I have to went back Toma to the worm, Toma little did I know one person there with the wife, they already established the pioneer, the team extreme.

Suli Akoteu (07:06):
That is how, and then in two they do 2010. So I took a team to Uganda, purposely to stay in Uganda for a life. Me and my wife. We have no kitchen that time, but we have a problem with our visa. Only seven months. They just, they tell us to just leave the country. So we went back to Toma. I was thinking maybe I will not come back to Africa, but inside me, I still feel that the law just put a patent on me. You have to go back to Africa. So in 2018, that’s where we pray. And we feel the Lord just called us to work in Uganda. Since then we were here serving with my family there in Uganda, in Wawa.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:49):
And tell me about the ministry that you do in Uganda. What type of ministry are you engaged in and, and what type of miracles are you seeing God do in the nation of Uganda?

Suli Akoteu (08:00):
Actually I Uganda the ministry that I’m leading there, I’m leading the Evangel, combined with the team extreme in Wawa, Uganda Cland. So we are working there. I’m leading the evangelism. We used to go to prison. I have seen creating miracle and God using this strategies to show to the prison, how value are them and all the things that just take place. When we are in there, we used to go to prisons. We go to hospital, we go to street and we also move from village to village, just running seminar, teaching the people on the evangelism, the church member, those who have potential for the evangelism we teach, we take them out. We do evangelism. And then we also running crusade in that community. Yeah, that is what we, we have seen. We, we see a lot of young people. They have the passion to move on and continue telling Jesus about others. And we also seeing miracle, also healing in the church. This is a great need in the church, in new Uganda. And also we are responsible in our wild base. Hosting teams come from different places. Some from us, Hawaii, some from Germany, some from Egypt, some all over the world. We are, the people also are facilitate them as moving together with us doing the same thing of winning soldier, the kingdom. That is what, the things that we are doing in new Uganda.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:21):
The other day, I heard you share your testimony. It was so powerful. How you came to Jesus. Te tell me a little bit about what God did in your life to, to help bring you to the cross.

Suli Akoteu (09:34):
Very, very awful. I share my T my testimony. I was growing up in a Christian family. My parents, they always go to church, their, their preacher. My, my mother was a prayer warrior. I was thinking that I also, I I’m safe. So I always attending church activities. But little did I know when I was growing up, they took me to our school, our Methodist school in our country. One day, I I’m very good in rugby. So I’m, I’m be part of the team rugby. And then in 1998,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:04):
I’ll bet that if someone’s facing you under rugby field, they run in the opposite direction. Yes,

Suli Akoteu (10:10):
I amazing. So I, because of that, I like rugby and I know this is a talented God lesbian with, so we represent donga in 19 90, 80, there was a world school championship that was held in, in Al Zimbabwe. This is my first time in Africa. And that is the kind of encounter. Even on that time, I haven’t experienced having the relationship with God, but I was having an encounter one day. They took us in a bus to assume. And then when I looked down, I saw a old lady putting a firewood on the head. When I looked down, I just, I don’t know. I now, I, I, when I, now I can, maybe this is the holy spirit. It just afford, or maybe a voice saying Sui, I am going to bring you back to Africa. So just things dismiss. I went back to Donna and one day I remember in 97, I heard a missionary told me that God still speak my father, my mother, and all the pastor in the school where I was attend.

Suli Akoteu (11:09):
They never said this, that God still speak this days. So, because of that, I met a missionary, told I know a school, they were teaching how to hear the voice of court. And then I joined because I wanted to hear the voice of court. I wanted to affirm this one that I hear in Zimbabwe. Is it true or not? So I have to attend in a school called discipleship training school in YWAM. That is where I joined YWAM. And I said, I want to hear God. And the staff told me, so the only way for you to hear the voice of God is for you to have a personal relationship with Jesus. So I remember 25th of September 1998. I was knee down in that house and I raised my hand and I said, Jesus, come into me, my heart and be my Lord. And my master from today, I will follow you since that, that time I work, I follow Jesus until now.

Suli Akoteu (12:04):
And then when 2000 there is a school called school for, from mission. They train missionary. So they, I was attending the train. And when they trained, the teacher came to us and said, you choose this free nation, pun, India, or CIP in Micronesia or Canada in his Africa. I told them I will not, I, I’m not going to pray again, because I remember when God spoke to me in Saint a boys in Zimbabwe, I will bring you back to Africa. And I just, I, they agree. And then I went to Uganda, to Canada, work in Ghana, and then from Ghana compared to, to, I took a team there. So now I’m in Uganda. That is how the Lord just changed my life. And then I have seen how God using me to Uganda in Uganda.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:53):
Yeah. I’m so amazed that God has brought you from Tonga to be a missionary in Uganda, because a Tonga is not a wealthy nation as wealthy as, as maybe like America would be. And, and so sometimes people from nations like Tonga might think, well, never become a missionary. I, I don’t know how God would provide for me to go to another country and, and live in another country. But, you know, God can use anyone from any nation and he can make a way, and God is the, the provider. But can you tell me what has that experience been like coming from a nation like Uganda, having a big for family seven children now. Yes. And your wife it takes a big step of faith to, to launch out and to become a missionary. How have you seen God provide for you over the years?

Suli Akoteu (13:46):
It was so powerful. I always talk with Kevin stuck my, my boss in the team extreme. And he said, this kind of, of a weakness of you guys from the island, you feel ashamed to share what the Lord, what, what, what is your need and what you do because you, you know I just, I’m, I’m, I’m very confident to say that God, in his own way, he speak to people and send money to us in Uganda. I am saying in the presence of God, we are so amazed. And before we came to Uganda, you know I have a courage to tell the people of Uganda to challenge them. Don is a fat world. Uganda is a fat world. That world label, as we are poor, look at me and my, my family, you guys call us a white people. We are not white people.

Suli Akoteu (14:34):
We are the same. Like you, we are coming here to do the work of what you can do the same thing to move from out from Canada, from Uganda. So I just to cut it, that explanation short, the Lord will provide in his own way. Even now my wife call me there’s are people just calling them? They just show what I’m doing here in Ethiopia. And they just send money. We never ask. We never even share with them that we need money. They just the Lord in his own ways. And he keep his promise. Sometimes the people said, you, you, you are lying. How can you survive with your seven children here in yo, Uganda? And you come from con both of you are both the local con. So just God himself provide.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:22):
So what advice would you give to someone who maybe is, is living in a, a poor country where, where they don’t have very many resources, but they feel a call from God that they want to be used by God. They, they maybe even want to go to another nation to become an evangelist or a, a missionary. What advice would you give to someone who feels called by God, but maybe comes from a nation with not many resources?

Suli Akoteu (15:50):
I think for me, is that important. You need to hear from the, the Lord, because in, we, we wire him, the first things we teach, we need to hear the voice of God. Because if you want to go anywhere, you have to hear from him. If God himself speak to you to go to another country and he himself will responsible for what you want. Ali, for example, before I came here, I have 12 local yo Uganda, that I work with them, all of them know support. They don’t have any money. I remember very well. We were fasting and praying and they said, Suly, we don’t even some of them, they’re not even paid their six month. Some of them, they in five. So they’re all old. They don’t, they don’t know where the money come from. I told them let’s come let’s you guys come, we are going to pray.

Suli Akoteu (16:40):
And we are going to seek the vision of God. When we pray the Lord, give us the word from the book of second colonial chapter 20, the, the story of, of see ho when the, the army of army night and more by they come to attack them, they will never even ask help. They just call the country to come together. They pray and fast and ask the Lord for help. The Lord says, yes, the fight as house of heart, because you do the right things. I, this battle is not yours. It’s mine. So they position themself, praise in God. When they reach to the, the pedal field, they only see that they demand. So I told them my guys let’s come six to seven every morning, four times a week in a week, we are going to praise only praise God, Daniel.

Suli Akoteu (17:33):
We do it. Start Tuesday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, the Lord clear up. And now I come here, they went to the, in the lake, Victoria in Uganda, there is 250 islands. They went there with a visions of why I’m called to end by poverty. They went there, distribute pipes. And the same time they do eventually, and also go to school. So this is what my advice, my advice here, the word of the Lord. And if God tell you to do, he will direct you to do what he wants you to do. Maybe he wants you to do raising. Maybe he wants you to write the letter and say, are your need with some people that you are going to collect. But if the Lord says praise and worship and wait, the, the fight is for me, don’t waste your time. Just do what God tell you do to pass what the fire is in you. No one will stop you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:27):
That’s awesome. Yes. Well Suly thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. I am so happy to know an evangelist from the island of PGA, and it’s so exciting to see what God is is doing through your ministry. And I’m so grateful that you’ve come to be with us here in Ethiopia this week, the Lord bless you and your ministry.

Suli Akoteu (18:48):
Hallelujah. Thank you very much. I am really honor, just to be part of the Daniel King ministry. I have learned from you. I have learned from Kevin, I’ve learned from each other, the team, and I feel that I’m growing what, the things that I already experience with my small ministry in yo Uganda, my takeaway from this door, it will power. And I want to say, thank you very much for allowing God or you, or also for you inviting me to be part of this tour. I have seen that great move of God and just motivate me and elevating my spirit to continue winning soul in yo Uganda, to the kingdom of God. God bless you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:28):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast. I am excited about telling people about Jesus and we could not preach the gospel without your help. Over our years of ministry, we found that we’re able to reach one person for Jesus, for every dollar that people give us. And so that means that if you would give us $1, we could start a party in heaven. In fact, I’m asking people to join our partnership program and give at least $1 every single month to help us to lead more people to Jesus. This is the greatest investment of your dollar that you can make. It’s the only investment that is gonna matter 10,000 years from now. So if you would like to help us lead people to Jesus, please visit king ministries.com K I N G king ministries.com and help us lead people to Jesus today. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (20:27):
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Kevin Stark | Team Xtreme for Jesus

Kevin Stark is an experienced Youth With a Mission (YWAM) missionary who leads Team Xtreme. His teams do feats of strength as a way to attract young people to Christ. He has traveled to 70 nations preaching about Jesus. On today’s podcast, he shares his advice for young evangelists.

Read “Warrior’s Arise” the story of Kevin Stark and Team Xtreme: https://amzn.to/3KuJRgF

Website: https://www.teamxtremeintl.com/ 


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Kevin Stark is an experienced youth with a mission YWAM missionary who leads team extreme. His teams do feats of strength as a way to attract young people to Christ. He’s traveled to 70 nations preaching about Jesus on today’s podcast. He shares his advice for young evangelists.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:33):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King or Daniel interviews. Full-Time evangelists, pastors, mission and, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:57):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I’m here with my great friend, Kevin Stark. He is the leader of team extreme, a missions team that has gone all over the world and tell told literally thousands and thousands of people about Jesus. Kevin, thank you for being with me today.

Kevin Stark (01:19):
It’s an honor to be here, Daniel I’m to not only do the interview, but do missions with you in several countries around the world and see so many people come to Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:29):
Now, I think we originally met on an airplane headed down to Honduras. We were, we were doing One Nation One Day in Honduras. Yes. And in that event, 18 crusade happened simultaneously. And I was doing one of the cities. And I think your team was doing one of the other cities. Yes. And since then we’ve become friends. Yep. And we have gone to several countries together. Right now we’re in the nation of Ethiopia. We just finished a beautiful week where we saw thousands of people come to Jesus Ambo, Ethiopia. And before that we’ve been in Mongolia Belize. I know there’s another one.

Kevin Stark (02:13):
Oh gosh, Belize, Mongolia, Honduras…

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:25):
Yeah. So, so here we are. We’ve done so many things that we can’t remember what countries we’ve been to.

Kevin Stark (02:31):
It’s funny. Yeah. It’ll it’ll come one of those countries, but yeah, it was good. It was, oh,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:37):

Kevin Stark (02:38):
Myanmar, Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:39):
And we’ve seen God do great fruit from the festival in Myanmar. That was just tremendous. I in fact Myanmar was really wonderful. We were there with my friend do Lao and, and because of that festival in, in Myanmar now there has been lots of ministry that’s happened in the nation of Myanmar and your ministry is helping to facilitate some of that, that ministry there. All right. So let’s talk about team extreme, this ministry that God has given you, first of all, what is team extreme?

Kevin Stark (03:09):
It’s a long story. I’ll give you the short version, but Team Xtreme is an evangelism team. So we preach the gospel everywhere. Anyplace schools rise, stadium events, VBS does any place. There’s an open door and open ears will preach the gospel. And it’s really a, the, the, the main part of it. It’s it’s Jesus, it’s the gospel it’s signs and wonders miracles, but we use athletes and strength feats in other things to on non Christians to an event. So that’s sort of the hook and the draw. And then we have guys that are breaking bricks and bending steel bars. But we also have guys that are, you know, dunking, basketballs, dribbling, soccer balls, all sorts of different things, but it’s you know, sports is sort of that universal language that sort attracts people. So they think they’re coming to see some strong man lift some weights, but we talk about the strongest man of all Jesus. And they come to the Lord in the droves. It’s a, it’s been a great 25, no about 30 years. We’ve been doing it all around the world.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:16):
And so when someone breaks a brick or a steel bar or rips a, a phone book in half or, or curls up a frying pan using their bare hands. Yeah. Each one of those feats of strength have a little object lesson that you use to, to share the gospel. Well, what are some of the object lessons that you teach from those feats of strength? Well,

Kevin Stark (04:37):
The steel bar is we talk about being behind bars of sin and the phone books. We rip phone books in half when we call those the devil’s book of death and your sins are written in the devil’s book, but when God comes, he grabs the book. And when you give your life to him and he rips the book up and throws it away far as from east and in the west the bricks, a lot of times we’ll talk about sin. So each brick will repent different sins. It could be, pornography could be, addictions, could be lies, get to be anger. And then we do a little drama where God’s on one side and man’s on the other side. And man, you know, he is trying to break the wall down, you know, cause we all have walls in our life and, and trying to get rid of the sin through good works or, or whatever. But then when he gives us life to Jesus, Jesus comes in and breaks the wall down and they hug each other. And there’s that show of a, you know, of unity. And so yeah, just, we, a lot of the guys are big, huge, strong guys that love to lift weights. They love to eat, but they love to to battle the devil and see people come to Jesus. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:45):
And you have team extreme teams that are in nations all over the world. I remember one time I was in the nation of India and I met a man who actually was one of the strongest men in all of India. He had competed in Mr. Universe and in some really big strength competitions. Yeah. And I started talking to him and he is like, yeah. Kevin Stark has been training me how to share the gospel using my strength and this guy could pull cars. Yeah. It was amazing. And so tell me about some of these different countries that you’ve impacted. Yeah.

Kevin Stark (06:18):
You know, we started with one team, we weren’t planning to multiply, but you know, that’s what God does. He multiplies. And a lot of my team members are from different nations and God just sort of brings them in different ways, different means. And then eventually they say, well, I think I want to go start my own team in New Zealand. And we have a team in para way and we have teams in India and Philippines. And so they just sort of stay and train with us for a couple years and then they go start their own evangelism team. And so that’s been the fun thing. I mean, you know, in Ephesians four talks about training other evangelists, just you’re evangelists. That’s like one of your main things is to train other evangelists. So, but it was just sort of organic. It was like, God did it. We got to be really close friends. And then we commissioned them now to, and it’s just a way to multiply, getting evangelism evangelists all over the world. Now

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:07):
I’ve heard you share a, a great testimony of your team in Norway that we’re on a television program. Tell me what happened.

Kevin Stark (07:14):
Oh yeah. It’s just, you know, God is opened up. You knows supernaturally, suddenly doors. We weren’t looking Isaiah 22 says he’ll open up doors that no man could open. And so several of our teams have been on the talent shows. So Norway has talent. It’s their own sort of, sort of like America’s got talent. And so they got invited to that. And our Norway, our team of nor just crazy Vikings, they have long hair. They seem like they just got off the Viking boat. They’re crazy insane. But yeah, they, they did their show and I think they got to the semifinals and they only have about three minutes to put all these different strength feats in there. And so they’re running through two by fours, breaking big, blowing up hot water bottles, band need steel bar, breaking baseball all within three minutes. And it’s just as fast, you know, high energy. And at the end, they all get together in the middle. There’s about five of them. And they’re speaking this broken

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Jesus is Lord over nor Jesus is Lord.

Kevin Stark (08:16):
And this is secular show. It’s going all over the Nordic nations. And then they run up to the judges and they say,

Speaker 5 (08:22):
We want to give you a Bible, read the Bible. Jesus loves

Kevin Stark (08:26):
You. And so this is being show all over the place. And then the judges, you know, they’re not Christians at all. And the one judges go, that’s amazing. That’s not like my Lutheran church growing up. But anyhow, they did really well went to the semi-finals and it was a great open door. They have, they think they have their own TV show that they do now. So, you know, people like things that are extreme different, but then you just, it opens up their heart cuz to hear the gospel. So that’s a beautiful thing, thing about it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:57):
And your ministry is connected with YWAM. And for many years you worked with Mark Anderson who actually wrote a great book on crusade evangelism. I reviewed his book as part of my doctor to ministry at U and into it and, and his defense of, of why crusade evangelism sure can be effective. And, and so tell me like some of the things that you did with Mark Anderson and, and his ministry over the years,

Kevin Stark (09:26):
You know, mark launched this whole thing called impact world tour. It was his vision to fulfill the great commissioner, being a part of fulfilling a great commission. And he just had this idea to use three different teams. One is team extreme international. One is a group called GX international and they’re hip hop dancers and, and, and skateboarders and, and rap artists. The other one’s called island Breezer Polynesian dancers. So it fits and reaches different demographics, you know, and I think one of the key key things with evangelism is reaching felt needs, you know, so young kids have felt needs, you know, we would fill stadiums all the time because they wanted to see some people that were doing hiphop dance or spoken word or skate or, you know, but they would never step in a church, you know? So mark started to organize these things, big visionary, very Apostol.

Kevin Stark (10:17):
We probably went to over 70 nations, over 3,400 cities in the last 30 years. And our citywide campaigns are not just one, one event. So it takes him six months to two years to set the event up. So he brings all the church together. He organizes the cities, they book all the venues, they raise all the budgets. So I mean, as an evangelist and I’ve talked to other evangelists, like we didn’t have to ever raise the dime of budget. He set up all of these, you know, events in over 3000, 400 cities over, you know, 30 year span. And we just got to go do the things we love to do to preach the gospel. So it’s like, I just took it for granted at that time. But now we’re not really doing a lot of stuff with mark and we’re raising our own budgets and, you know, grinding it out for finances and stuff. But yeah, it,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:08):
That’s a great way to do it. If you can find someone to raise the budget for you.

Kevin Stark (11:11):
Oh, it’s, it was amazing. But you know, gosh, from the very first alter call, you’re doing stuff today. It’s still, I still weep. I still, it still breaks my heart. It’s like you know, I know mostly Evangel watch this show and it’s the thing we live for. It’s the thing God created us to do. So you never grow tired of it. I mean, I turn 66 tomorrow and I still travel and preaching the gospel, telling people about Jesus. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:37):
Yeah. You are a, a very experienced evangelist. I described you to my friend pair office as a, as a battle scar general, you have been through a lot of battles and, and you have done a lot of evangelism and now God is raising up a new generation of young evangelists is really exciting to see what’s happening. And, and so what’s some of the advice that you would give to a young evangelist or someone who has a heart and passion for evangelism. Yeah. What would you say to them?

Kevin Stark (12:07):
I mean, it all goes down to the word of God to great commandments. Love, God, love people. I mean, you gotta go a basic, I used to be an Olympic coach for a number of years in a division one football coach. And it goes back to the fundamentals. You do the fundamentals, right? You stay humble, stay faithful, be obedient to the next thing God wants you to do, you know, and, and be faithful. And it’s all those basic things, you know, it’s just like, sure. Some of them, some people are gonna see more miracles than others. Some are gonna see more salvations, but it’s really just loving God. And that means spending time in the world, spending time in worship, you know, our team would you know, be in locker rooms before a show and just crying out for the presence of God, crying out for souls, weeping for people.

Kevin Stark (12:53):
And anytime we could get into the presence into the glory, into where we would get filled up, that would be the passion into the word. So it’s just like you can get so busy that you forget the basics and you know, you know, it’s the, the things that, you know, like great evangelists, like bill Graham, don’t touch God’s glory, God’s gold, God’s girl girls, you know, it’s like those basic things. But I think if you’re, you’re in fellowship with Jesus, you’re in his presence daily, it keeps you from falling in those pits, you know? So in the word, in his presence and just loving God and loving people, having other people around you to keep you accountable, you know, that you can say to them, if you see something that’s wrong in my life, I want you to run to me and tell me exactly what it is, having those people around you and not just having yes.

Kevin Stark (13:46):
People around you. And you know, also listen to wise council you know, at the early days, I’d go to every revive I could got prayed over by every great evangelist I could impartation. And that’s really good too. And just listen to the people that had gone before you, you know, get a chance. I know you sat down several times with TL, Osborne and others, just sit down and ask some questions and be willing to be humble and just sit there and listen, you know, I think pride to is another thing that takes out a lot of evangelists. You know, you start to get a little bit of success. So success and failure are both things that can crash you, you know, so sometimes you start to get a little success or see, see a few good miracles and you start to think you’re all that and more, but we’re just all still, we’re humble servants of Jesus, you know, seeing that place of humility and obedience and you you’ll run the race and you’ll finish it. Well,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:39):
Let’s talk about what’s happened this week. We are here in Ethiopia, we’ve just finished a great crusade in ambo Ethiopia you partnered with us and, and together we partnered with Joshua campaign here in Ethiopia. And the crusade started with just a few thousand, but by the end we had thousands and thousands of people on the field. What were some of your impressions? What, what, what did you you think about the ministry that happened this week?

Kevin Stark (15:08):
I mean, some some of it’s just that I unit, he always demands a blessing. So with you and, and you know, just Joshua campaigns and I think as we come together, just that just pleases God, and then just having the pastors there and serving them and serving their vision. I mean, I think that’s the one thing that, you know, evangels need to, to work on. And, you know, you might be the one who gets to preach, you know, every event, the whole thing. But I think when you do the unity thing, you know, that brings the glory of God at a new level. And then just the passion of the African people, just like, I think they just get, I think the people in charge in heaven are gonna be Africans. You know, they just, they just love to worship man.

Kevin Stark (15:50):
And so just sit there watching you just enjoy them, jump up and down in the cloud of dust, you know, fill the air. And, you know, you look at ’em, they got dust all over their face and you just see their eyes out of the dust. And, and then all of a sudden, just incredible miracles. You know, one of the things where you preached one night and you just ask, you got on your knees and it’s just a simple message of the gospel and you ask everybody else to get on their knees. So most of the people are in the dirt, you know, on their faces, on their knees, just crying out for salvation. I mean, that just really wrecked me, really touched my heart to see. I mean, there was, I don’t know the exact number, but there was over several thousand people. Everybody kneeling, everybody asking for forgiveness, everybody crying out for God. So so, so good. Such a great three or four days. And even though they lost my luggage and I had one pair of pants and one shirt, I was still praising Jesus, but I got clean clothes on my own luggage. Oh, I’m so happy.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:51):
That is a Acker Fe to only have one pair of underwear for a whole week, but thank God you made it.

Kevin Stark (16:57):
We made it it’s. But anyhow, I just, it’s one of those little things, the honor privilege to be an evangelist. You know, I got, I know I have two circles of my life. It took me a where to a while to get there, but preaching the gospel, being an evangelist and training another people how to do evangelism. So pretty simple. I mean, I have my family, I, my relationship with Jesus, but my calling around those two circles and I try not to go very much outside those two realms. So yeah. What an honor to preach the gospel. Huh.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:26):
Now I know that your, your ministry has recently launched television program where you’re sharing the gospel in, in different places. And, and if someone’s listening, they wanna maybe watch some of the episodes of your television program or find out more about team extreme and more about your ministry. Maybe even support you, help you do crusade preaching

Kevin Stark (17:46):
From the good job.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:48):
How can they find out more about you? What, what’s your website?

Kevin Stark (17:50):
Yeah, it’s said team extreme. I NTL, but it’s T E a M no, E X, T R E M. So T E a M X T R E M a. I ntl.com. That’s our webpage. So you can get all the information there. The TV show is you can go to YouTube and you can go to team extreme or sorry, impact all nations. And you could get, we have about 40 episodes that are on there and you can watch any of them there. So it’s through also through the now TV network. And you can find that information on our on our web page or Facebook page impact all nations. We’ve got a Facebook page that can, and get more information, how to watch the show weekly, it’s a satellite show.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:34):
Let’s finish by talking about what God will do in the future. It seems like God is doing something new in the earth today. What, what type of sense do you have prophetically of what we’re going to see in the area of evangelism and missions over the next few years? Yeah.

Kevin Stark (18:56):
Yeah, I, I’m so excited about it. I just see an army of young evangelists being raised up. And, you know, I think in a lot of people know this, but the season of big name evangelism, I think it’s still air, but there’s no way that the big names can complete the great commission. So I just see an army of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of on fire totally sold out totally in love with God compassionate in all the different spheres of society preaching the gospel. And, you know, and one time I got home quick story from a crusade and we lived in a, in a house. It was sort of on a farm, but behind my house was a, a wheat field and it just happened to be, I got, I got home and I walked in my backyard and it was harvest time.

Kevin Stark (19:46):
So, you know, only takes some of a few hours to harvest the, the wheat behind our house. And the big John Deere green John Deere tractor was just whacking the weed and, and dust was in the air. It’s like that kind of stuff excites me. And so I’m just looking and the guy, I don’t know who he was, but he had the, he stopped his tractor and he looked at me and he sort of waved at me. He said, come on. So I went and jumped in the John Deere tractor and we’re riding. It was very modern. You had a stereo in there and all these, you know, different stuff in there. And the Lord, the Lord just said, me, the great harvest is coming the billion. So harvest is coming. I just hear him so clear. I’m just sitting in this John Deere tractor with this guy with overalls on, and it was one of those divine moments.

Kevin Stark (20:28):
And, you know, that’s what I’m living for. That’s what I’m believing for. We’re a worldwide supernatural revival. You know, my heart is to we’ve had great meetings, great salvations, but I wanna see, you know, a real transformation of nations. Do you see real revivals? And I they’re coming. I believe it there’s so many prophetic words where just people are getting saved. People are walking outta bars and people are getting healed outta prisons, and people are getting saved all over the streets. And it’s just not an event. It’s so huge that it’s touching every corner of a city and every a quarter of a nation. So the great harvest is coming. Hallelujah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:11):
Amen. Well, Kevin, you’re a good friend. I have such tremendous respect for you. And I’m so thankful for this opportunity to, to work together once more, thank you for being on the evangelism podcast.

Kevin Stark (21:23):
Awesome. It’s been an honor. You’re a great evangelist and a great teacher. Get some of his books. I know you listen to this podcast, but I get a lot of stuff from you. So, and copy some of it, but I change it a little bit. So it’s not, I know, but you’re welcome

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:37):
To have

Kevin Stark (21:37):
It. Thank you so much. All right, thanks. Great. Having me bless you, man.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:41):
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Sean Smith | Prophetic Evangelism

Sean Smith believes in Prophetic Evangelism. He calls it “the Jesus model of evangelism.” What is prophetic evangelism? Will prophetic evangelism work for you? How can you use prophetic evangelism to lead people to Jesus? Find out on today’s podcast.

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The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelism Coach Daniel King is a leading podcast about the practice of evangelism in the body of Christ.


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:01):
Sean Smith believes in prophetic evangelism. He calls it the Jesus model of evangelism. What is prophetic evangelism? Will prophetic evangelism work for you? How can you use prophetic evangelism to lead people to Jesus? Find out on today’s podcast.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:32):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:57):
To the evangelism podcast. I’m here with Sean Smith, the author of the book called prophetic evangelism. Thank you for being with me on the evangelism podcast,

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (01:07):
Daniel, it’s great to be with you super excited to unpack this subject. I, I believe it’s very relevant and it is the now time.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:14):
Let’s start by finding out a little bit about yourself, where you from. Tell me about your ministry. What do you do?

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (01:20):
I’m from Northern Cal, California. It’s Oakland, San Francisco bay area. And that’s where I was born. And I gave my life to crisis a little north there, but my wife and I we’ve got a ministry, Shawn and Christa Smith ministry. So we travel. We evangelize we’re in other nations, we equip the body of Christ in evangelism. We go after the lost preach, open air write books, we try to just in way we can serve the body of Christ, that’s kind of our hearts.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:45):
And so you wrote this book called prophetic evangelism. It’s the integration of the gift of prophecy and evangelism. Can you unpack that a little bit and tell me what is prophetic evangelism? You

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (01:58):
Know, the best way I could describe that Daniel is, is simply this way. When, when gets his friend Nathaniel and brings him to Jesus Nathaniel’s obviously skeptical. So on the Ingels law of recept, this dude is negative. You know, meaning that he is not predisposed, he’s a good Hebrew, but he does not believe that Jesus Messiah. So he says, can Ethan Good come out of Nazare? But upon meeting Jesus, Jesus says behold, a man whom there’s no guile. And then his immediate response is how do you know me? And he says, Hey, I saw you underneath the fi tree. At that point, he confesses him as the Messiah later on, this guy would be martyred for what he believed. But even Jesus says, you believe me because of what I’ve said to you, he says, truly, you’re gonna see angels, us sending and descending upon the son of man.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (02:43):
And he on to say so anyway, his way of moving him from this negative disposition to a positive of confessing Lord is to have a word of knowledge followed by a prophetic word. And in, in that whole process, it led him to encounter. So then here is Nathaniel. He goes from getting anything good. Come out of Nazareth to you are the Messiah. So Jesus modeled this. He modeled it at the well acts chapter nine. This guy Anais, not the Anai and safari that lied and died. But this other guy, he was led to the street called straight led to a specific person, soul of Tarsis and one of the greatest Christians of all time, apostle Paul. So prophetic evangelism. I like to say it’s receiving an audio visual download from heaven, that where you receive the heart of the father, that could be used to bring people into a counter with Christ. So hopefully you’re praying with someone and leading them to the Lord.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:36):
So let’s talk about prophetic evangelism in a, a practical sense. How can people use prophetic evangelism to reach somebody who’s lost?

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (03:47):
Well, a lot of people today, there’s a skepticism. So how do I distinguish Christianity from philosophical bins and ideas that sit on the cosmic shelf of what people are believing today? And one of the things that is, I believe that a word of knowledge causes a person to feel known, and everyone is reaching for information we’re reaching towards supernatural. And so I think it would be on our parts, a a, a grievous mistake to not tap into the supernatural. When I’m flowing in prophetic evangelism, the way I’ve seen it is that God first gives you a revelation. So he may give you a word of knowledge. Hey, this person’s back has a problem. Hey, this person grew up without a dad. Hey, this person’s name is I’ve had all of those things happen. And so when that happens, all of a sudden that introduction of supernatural brings the encounter.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (04:35):
So now they’re open, my mentor would say this comment and, and this phrase and principle, and, and I love it. He says, the miracles of God make the demands of God, not seem so unreasonable. So when you’ve encountered a supernatural God through supernatural means a revelation. So word of knowledge is what God revealing something about your past or present that a person would not have acquired that information naturally. So if the Lord told me your name was Daniel, I didn’t know your name was Daniel. That would like, wait, I don’t have a name tag on how would you know that? And so now that leads to an opportunity. There’s an opening. God, God’s got your attention for me to share the gospel. So usually on the front end, there’s a word of knowledge because that’s something that’s it’s proven by the person. And so God says, behold, a man in whom there’s no, God, that’s a current state, then Nathaniel’s in.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (05:23):
But he goes on to say, Hey, you’re gonna see angels ascending. So sometimes words of knowledge will lead towards a prophecy. But, and I don’t know if I’m going too deep on this, but my whole thing is words of knowledge on the front end cause you to become authority of what things will will come to pass later. So I usually try to start with a word of knowledge and then that opens the door and I share with him, Hey, the God that knows your name, the God that just let me know. You have a back condition. We prayed, you got healed. That same, Jesus loves you. He’s pursuing you. He sent me here for you. Now. Here’s what you must do to be saved. So the prophetic simply is kind of that open door to get them to the door who is Jesus, but you still have to repent.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (06:05):
Of course, they still need to know the gospel imperatives. They still need to make a commitment to Christ. So it is a synergistic blending of these two gifts because we live in a date of, of skeptics in the day of people that have been hurt and wounded people that have been hurt by Christianity or what have you. And so this is a way to all of a sudden, I like to say that Peter cut off Malcolm’s ear. That was the Roman came to apprehend Jesus. But the first thing Jesus had to do is pick up that ear and put it back on a lot of zealots in north America and nations, the world, we cut off the ear of people. We’ve cut off the ear of the people of our nation. Prophetic evangelism helps put their ear back on. So now they can hear the message we’re gonna share with them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:46):
Now I’ve heard you use the term treasure hunt. Can you explain to me what is a treasure hunt and how could a church go on a treasure hunt?

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (06:54):
Treasure hunt is simply, I think the, the schematic for it, the blueprint for it is acts nine where God speaks to Anani and says, I want you to go to street called straight. There’s a guy there named Saul. He’s encountered me. He’s a chosen vessel of mine. You’re gonna lay hands on him. So he tells him the street tells him his name tells him where to go all while he’s not in proxy. So Anani is not in Roxy. So he has to go to this street. He has to finds this dude named Saul. He has to enter into a conversation. So God revealed to him in advance where he’s going to go. So that that’s a very specific if you will treasure map, but sometimes, you know, I know youth groups and different groups or, or, or adults have gotten together and they’ll pray beforehand because always feel like great evangelism begin on your face.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (07:39):
You gotta pray. So the Lord may reveal, Hey, you’re gonna meet a person in a blue shirt. Hey, you’re gonna, this happened to my son is he was a college student at UC. Berkeley got up in the morning and he said, the Lord spoke to him. You’re gonna see a guy in a blue shirt today. He’s going to be in sprout Plaza. That’s the student union at UC Berkeley. His mom is in the hot spit and it’s critical, but I’m a healer. And he’s gonna know that I’m real and he’s gonna give his life to Christ. So my son goes out and he, he jokes. He says, it must have been blue shirt. Every guy had a blue shirt and he says, Lord, which one? He said, the moment he said it, it was like the crowd parted. And there was one blue shirt guy by the fountain walks over to the guy.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (08:18):
And he says, Hey you know, I love the Lord. I believe God speaks to me. The Lord showed me that there would be this guy. See, I put it on my iPhone blue shirt and mom in the hospital and a guy gasp. And he says, my mom’s in the hospital, critical condition BR says, we’re gonna pray right now. God’s gonna heal her. And when he heals her, you need to let me know. So he prays three days later, he gets a email exchange emails. The guy’s mom is completely healed. The guy commences his life to Christ and starts coming out to my son Brandon’s Christian group on campus. So that was an example of a treasure hunt. But this is what I, I feel like it’s a good place. When you go out in groups for people that are a little bit more intimidated by walking up to the barista and saying, Hey, your, your, your cell phone number is whatever you live on this street. And when you were three years old, you were violated or whatever. It’s easier to say, okay, I’m looking for a person with a blue shirt, looking for a person as a baseball hat on or whatever. And when you start to see that you enter in a conversation with people, you, the gospel

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:15):
Share with me some more testimonies of lives that have been impacted through prophetic evangelism.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (09:22):
I was in Monterey, California. Anybody from Monterey knows that that’s a, a bit of a new age Mecca and a walk past a Ty card, or actually a new age bookstore, but a, a, a gal was doing T cards. She’s reading TYT cards. Now I likely look at it like this. I’m an evangelist. What are the odds? If I walk in and just say, Hey, Jesus loves you. It’s a wonderful plan for your life. For all of sin falls, short of the glory of God. Heaven is awesome. Hell is hot. You need to give your life to Christ. My sense is a woman that has gone that far into divination is gonna blow me off. Anyway, I walk in the store because the Lord tipped me off and says, just you have, you have an appointment there and you go, well, how did that come?

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (10:01):
All of a sudden I had this thought that I’m supposed to go in a store. And I’m, I’m, I’m on an assignment from the Lord. And I, I, I tell people often is it, it sounded like a thought and impression, but it, it had the presence of God on it. And years ago, Dave will Orson wrote a newsletter here, hearing the voice of God. He says, God does not speak apart from his presence, felt his presence going to store well, at this point, I don’t have a word of knowledge. I have nothing. I don’t even know who I’m supposed to witness to. So I’m in there and I see the Touro card lady and she says, you, do you want a reading? I said, no, no, no. I just like to have a word with you. She says, well, just wait here for a second.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (10:35):
And I’m gonna finish with this person. I can your word. So to speed this up while I’m waiting on her, the Lord speaks to me and says, I want you to say to her, I am your sign. Number two, when she was young, she had a bad experience with Christianity. She ended up moving in with the Eastern guru that she thought was gonna nurture her. But he said, he ended up abusing her number three, tell her she’s doing this and living her life by default. This wasn’t that the dream and this Z that she had. And I had for her when she was young, tell her if she gives, gets rid of the default, let’s go of the default. I’ll give her her dream back. Well, all this came in a flash like, and, and the word of the Lord often sounds like your thoughts, but we know signs of the mind knows that our thoughts come in by way of what’s called cognitive association.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (11:17):
I think of one thing makes me think of another thing. Makes me think of another thing. When God speaks, it interrupts our thoughts and it, and it’s like there there’s like out of no place as usually the turn people say, I, I say the voice of God is a sudden awareness associated with a unique conviction. When you want to hear the voice of God, you tune in to what came towards you out of no place. Well, that’s not the only checklist, obviously in his land, the word of God, he to end up with the character of Christ because the devil can speak to you and it could be a spontaneous thought. So I’ll go over to the lady. And I first ask her, how do these cards get you in touch with the spirit realm? Well, not that I wanted to find out how it did it, but I know if I saw listening to her, when it comes time for me to talk, hopefully she’ll start listening back.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (11:56):
And I said, well, Hey I believe there’s only two doors to power and one door might as well be marked other, because if you don’t go through a door of relationship with Jesus Christ, all of the doors will close on you. And there’s a bondage and there’s a ultimate, you know, price to pay for that. Well, she’s, she’s blowing me off. Like immediately. You could tell, she’s putting her hand up, like get outta here. I said, well, you know, Lord just gave me something for you. Would it be okay if I share with you? What is in the mind of God for you? And she leans and says yes. And interesting. When I was sharing with her, you know, your door that you’ve taken is wrong. She’s gonna blow me off. But when I tell her, now that God’s spoken to me about her, she leans in.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (12:31):
She says, well, what is it? And I I’m supposed to tell you, I am your sign. She turns her head from me down. You. She begins to weep. Well, what I didn’t know is the night before she cries out to the cosmos and her exact verbiage was show me a sign. Well, I didn’t know. I didn’t even know. Honestly, when I first heard I am your sign, I’m thinking like, Lord, I know is not astrology is I’m like, Sagitarian got going. Like, why would I be telling a strange woman? I am your sign. But all the more I knew it was God, because that’s not how I would think. I would never walk up to a, a woman. I don’t know and say, I am your sign. And so I had her attention because she cried out to a sign for a sign here. I’ll walk up.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (13:08):
That’s exact verbiage. I said, the Lord spoke to me and wanted me to tell you that he is here for you. But because when you were young, you had a bad experience with the church of Christianity. She was nodding her head. And I said, you moved in with the Eastern guru that you was gonna nurture, but ended up abusing her. She starts sobbing. She tells me sure enough, she had a bad experience. Christian Church. When she was young, moved in with the Eastern guru, he abused her sexually, physically, emotionally only thing she got out of the relationship was how to read to RO hard. That’s what she’s doing. And then finally I said, the Lord says, you’re living fault your life by default, not by design. If you surrender this repent of this, he’ll give you back your dreams. She says, oh my God, ever since a little, always wanted to paint, but I never paint as an art, never thought I could pay the bills.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (13:51):
Painting. Are you kidding me? And he loves me like that yet us. And so I said, Hey right now, do you want to give your life to this? Jesus showed up. And she says, yes, I lead her in a sin prayer. Now we’re in a new age, bookstore, Daniel with people lined up to get her, their fortune read by this woman. She put them all on hold. She renounces witchcraft. She repents her sin. She acknowledges Jesus gives her life to Christ. She says, do you know a good church? I can go to. I said, absolutely. I actually with a pastor and his wife. And that’s the reason why I was in there. I was preaching at this church. So she stands up. They’re contracting her out at this new age bookstore. She gets her last check and she says, I will never do this anymore.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (14:32):
She’s announcing to the people. And she walks out when I walk out. And so I’m go, what is the odds of me going into a new age bookstore and walking out with a convert? The only way that happens is Jesus. The only way that happens. And I think people would ask perhaps what is the key to prophetic evangelism? And I found a key that I’ve never heard of anyone else share, not like I’m trying to say, I’ve got this exclusive revelation, but I think it’s, it’s often overlooked. And Jesus said, behold, I send you out a sheep in the midst of wolves. And he says, don’t worry beforehand, what you will say. It’ll be your father in that moment. I will give you what to say. I will bring you in front of magistrates. I’ll bring in front of councils. It be as a testimony to them.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (15:12):
The key to prophetic evangelism is being willing to be a sheep in the, in the midst of wolves. And that’s the wrong end of the food chain for much of us as, as English speaking. And, and for that matter believers all over the nations of the world is that we don’t want to be because what are wolves in this context, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, wolves, metaphorically represent marketplace resistance. It represents a threat. It represents religious spirits that were not like what you would say, but it represents maybe what’s politically incorrect. It’s all kind of areas that you can feel like you’re on the lower end of the food chain. But God promises. If you’ll be sheep in the midst of wolves, you don’t have to worry beforehand what you’ll say. It’ll be your father in that moment who will give you what to say?

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (15:56):
So I say, and you’ve, we’ve all heard. It’s evangelists. If you’ll break the chicken line, if you’ll put yourself in position in the marketplace, if you open your mouth and begin to speak, if you’re able to go beyond your point of your comfort zone, there’s a Harvard zone. And is when you put yourself out there, the words of knowledge, for instance, back to my story, I didn’t get the word of knowledge. When I was walking past the new age bookstore, I didn’t get that specific until I got in the store and began to ask. I was just gonna ask her some questions. I didn’t know I was gonna, I was just gonna start asking her questions because I feel like in this, God will begin to speak. So entering a redemptive conversation, just love on people. But if you will focus on loving the person in front of you, the God who says follow the way of love yet eager desire, spiritual against, especially E may prophesy that the prophetic comes on the wings of love. If I can love people. And yet that’s how evangelism starts. It. It’s about receiving the love of the father for that person. So I feel like both anointings are catalyzed through compassion, through love. And so that would be a question. I think a lot of people ask me, how do I start it? And I go, step out. Risk is no such thing as risk free maturity. You gotta step out. And if you’ll step out, gotta meet you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:11):
That’s awesome. If someone wants to find out out more about your ministry or get a hold of your book on prophetic evangelism, what’s your website. How can they find out more

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (17:20):
About you? Our website is www.seanandkristasmith.com. I got several books, but prophetic evangelism. We even have a eCourse to go along with it on our site right now. And obviously Amazon, but the book is out there and it’s brand new. It’s like two, three months old. And we really in this book try to give you nuggets and equip. And my heart is to mobilize an army in the prophetic with the heart of Jesus, that reaps. I believe that we’re gonna see a third grade awakening. I believe it’s underway. I believe they’ll be incredible number of people because like council Zandor and the Morian revival, the lamb is war. They were the, of the rewards of his sufferings. The father is doing this to crown, the sufferings of Jesus. There is going to be a mass harvest. And then John wrote revelation looked up in heaven. He says there was a number multitude. No one could count. Not just him, no one. So between the number of believers now, maybe we’re south of 2 billion, maybe we’re stretching it. I, I I’ve heard lower figures. I believe that in order to get to a number that no one count, we are gonna, billions of people come to Christ billion, soul harvest. That’s who we’re bleeding for.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:32):
Amen. Well, I am all for the billion soul harvest. I know God is raising up an army of evangelists in an army of prophets, an army of young people who are excited about sharing their faith all over the world. And it’s so much a privilege to be a part of that brother. Sean, thank you. Being on the evangelism podcast.

Sean Smith – The Prophetic Evangelist (18:51):
Absolutely love it. Love it. Love it. And all of you that are listening just step out, God is gonna use you Mindy.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:56):
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Gary Grogan | Fathering a New Generation of Evangelists

Gary Grogan has been both a pastor and an evangelist. Today he tells a story about the first person he ever led to Jesus. It was a man who had a gun to his head about to kill himself. Gary was only 14 years old but God sent him to lead the man to Jesus.

Connect with Gary Grogan: https://twitter.com/papagrogan


Subscribe to The Evangelism Podcast Today! With Evangelism Coach Daniel King


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Gary Grogan has been both a pastor and an evangelist. And today he tells a story about the first person he ever led to Jesus. It was a man who had a gun to his head about to kill himself. And then at the age of 14 or 15 of years of age had sent Gary to go and to lead him to Jesus. You’re gonna love this story. Keep listening. As we get started on today’s episode of the evangelism podcast,

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:41):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:06):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I’m here with brother Gary Grogan. Thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast.

Gary Grogan (01:18):
Joy to be here. Thank you so much. God bless you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:21):
So let’s start at the beginning. How did you first get excited about evangelism?

Gary Grogan (01:27):
Well, when I was a freshman in high school, our home church got a new pastor, 10 years older than me. So he was 24. I was 14 and he taught us how to share our faith, a Romans road, steps of peace with God, four of laws. And you know, I’ve, I’ve noticed that churches don’t do that as much as they used to, you know, evangelism explosion with Dr. James Kennedy of coral Ridge Presbyterian church. Plus the Pentecostal charismatic church was known for teaching its people, personal evangelism, churches had prayer coordinators, evangelism coordinators, and now we have service project coordinators. So it was that pastor that got me excited about sharing my faith.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:13):
And so tell me some of what you’ve done since then.

Gary Grogan (02:18):
Well I’ve been a pastor. I’ve been a youth pastor. I’ve been a statewide and college director. Did the Chicago outreach with David Wilkerson. Some of you have heard the name, David Wilkerson and times square church and way before that, the cross and the switch blade. And then I became a state and college leader, like I said, then I took O what we call in the church world, a burnt Overfield and small group of people and developed it into the third largest church in our tribe in the state of Illinois five years ago, I turned it over to one of my sons in the faith. And so I, I switched my credential from pastor category to evangelist category. And I, I think every pastor should have the heart of an evangelist and every evangelist should have the heart of a pastor. I think everybody should be involved in telling somebody about Jesus.

Gary Grogan (03:14):
That’s a real, you know, Paul told Timothy and he Timothy had trouble with shyness timidity, you know, Paul of all the people in the new Testament that Paul mentored and coached and discipled, he only told Timothy God has not given us the spirit of timid of fear, but of power and love and a sound mine. But he also told Timothy do the work of an evangelist. It was a command, it was an imperative sheep reproduce sheep. So some of my heroes in the faith you know, TL, Osborne, I’ve preached in his churches in democratic Republic of Congo. Amazing pastor Tommy Barnett used to be up in the well, what we call the quad cities in Iowa and, and great work in Phoenix, Arizona. He told me one time, he said, Gary, if you do not go out of your way to be a soul winner, you’ll never be a soul winner. So I’m very passionate about this personal Evangel evangelism, corporate evangelism, creative evangelism power, our invent evangelism, anyway, that we

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:23):
Prophetic evangelism miracle Evangel,

Gary Grogan (04:26):
Come on, come on. You’ve written about all that kind of stuff. Anyway, we can reach people for Jesus. That’s what I want to do. That is true. Spirit filled living.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:36):
Now, sometimes when people hear about the evangelist, they think, well, it’s the Evangel job to evangelize, but really the great commission is given to everyone in the whole church by Jesus. Every believer is called to go and preach the gospel. And so how can a normal everyday believer get involved in sharing their faith?

Gary Grogan (05:00):
Well, first of all, they have to learn how to share their faith. I teach the prayer care share approach. So we’ve gotta get our people praying for the lost fellow students, neighbors, my wife and I have a list of all of our neighbors. We’ve met all of our neighbors. We pray for them by name. We share with them and I’ve led some of my neighbors to Christ. That’s the prayer approach, praying for the lost, and then you care for the lost. So we’ve done a million things for our neighbors at the beginning of the pandemic and older neighbor, who’s a retired CIA agent, by the way,

Gary Grogan (05:43):
They were so afraid to go out of their house. They did not go out of their house for it was either five months in one week or six months in one week. I can’t remember. I wish my wife was here to remind me, but so we bought their groceries. We did everything for them. So you’re, you’re caring for your neighbors. You take ’em cookies, you take ’em pies. You, somebody in the family passes away. You go prayer care share approach. But also you have to be taught how to share your faith. This is what changed my life as a 14, 15 year old freshman in secondary school. In high school, I had a pastor that taught me how to share my faith. So I, I want to tell that story, but to answer your question, evangelism is not just for the evangelist are exactly right.

Gary Grogan (06:39):
Sheep reproduce sheep. Otherwise they’re sterile. I’ve never met a board soul winner. I’ve met a lot of board Christians. I said earlier, this is true spirit filled living. I pray in a prayer language that I never learned every day. I love it. I, I love the spirit baptism, but I believe the lifelong evidence to the spirit baptism is a life of soul winning a life of witnessing. That’s not just for the evangelist. The people we work with, we’re supposed to be salt and light. There are a enough Christians in the world that if every Christian would begin to pray for the lost care, for the lost and share with the lost in one week, we could evangelize the 7.8 some say 8.1 billion people on planet earth. We could do that in one week, but it’s the leader’s jobs. The apostles prophets, pastors, teachers, and evangelists, to equip the saints, to pray for the lost care for the lost and share with the lost.

Gary Grogan (07:51):
So you, you can’t fake soul winning. You can fake worship. You can fake devotion. You can fake spirituality. You can fake a lot of things, but you cannot fake true spirit filled living that is spirit filled living, just walking by somebody and not being concerned about their soul. That’s not spirit filled living. I’m not trying to motivate anybody through guilt. I would never do that, but hearing the voice of the spirit many times, I’ve, I’ve done it here, where we are right now, brother king. And I’ve just said, what’s one thing I can pray with you about. I, I just prayed with the manager. We’re actually at a hotel right now. And I prayed with the manager of food services and his name was Gabriel Angel’s name by the way. And he was so appreciative. And so thankful. I said, what’s one thing I can pray with you about. And he told me, and it was just a wonderful experience together. So but my life changed when I led my first soul to Christ. And I’d like to tell you this.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:57):
Yeah. How did you lead your first soul to Christ?

Gary Grogan (09:01):
It’s a miraculous story. This doesn’t happen to everybody. I mean, I’ve had a lot of failures, you know, Jesus was awkward and there was a moment of awkwardness in Jesus’s conversation with the woman at the well in John chapter four. So if Jesus is going to have a moment of awkwardness in his conversation in trying to reach a soul, we are too it’s okay. But we push through it. That’s where the gifts of the spirit came through. Go tell your husband, well, I don’t have a husband. You’re right. In fact, the man you live with is not your husband. And you’ve had five husbands. He had a word of knowledge in that nanosecond. But my point in that story is it’s okay to feel awkward. You know, some people are this far from Christ and you may not win him to Christ, but you may bring, ’em a step closer to Christ. You may bring ’em two steps closer to Christ, or you may be the person that actually gets to reap the harvest of somebody’s prayer of somebody’s seed sewing, and you get to be the one to lead them to Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:12):
I think having this perspective is, is really valuable and help helps people to avoid the trap of discouragement, because you’re not necessarily the one who’s gonna bring everyone to Christ, but you can bring everyone a little bit closer to Christ and advertisers know that it takes about seven positive contacts with a new product before someone is even willing to try out the product. And so people need at least seven positive contacts with a on fire believer, telling them about Jesus before they might be ready to receive Christ. And so our job as evangelists is to sow seeds. We don’t always reap a harvest, but every single day we can be sowing seeds.

Gary Grogan (10:57):
One of the things I teach it takes seven to 10 contacts for a person to really make a commitment to Christ. It’s very common, fuller, theological seminary has done tons of interviews about this over the decades. And that’s what they say, seven to 10 contacts. So here’s the first person I ever led to Jesus. I can’t remember if I was 14 or 15. It was the summer in between my freshman and sophomore year in high school. And my birthday is July 23rd. So I might have been 14 into my 14th year, beginning of my 15th year, but I was just a kid, a teenager. You don’t have to be a theologian to win somebody to the Lord. Solomon said in Proverbs 1130, he, that wins souls is wise. If you wanna be known for something noble, if you wanna leave a legacy, be a soul winner, lead people to Jesus. Our pastor, as I said earlier in the podcast, if you’re just tuning in taught me as a, as a teenager, how to witness. So we would practice on each other in Sunday school and youth group. And I would be the person witnessing and you would be the person listening. And I would go through the whole thing. And I would say, do you wanna receive Jesus? And you’d say no.

Gary Grogan (12:24):
So I’d have to figure out what to say. And then it’d be your turn to practice on me. And I would say, well, maybe yeah, tell me more. So one Saturday, he took us to a little town in what we call the Midwest here in the United States. And we just thought we were going on a youth trip with the youth group, cuz he used to do that with us. And we loaded into some vans or a bus. I don’t remember exactly. And we went into this little church and they had mapped out the city and they gave us a partner. And so I went with a guy named Steve and the first door I knocked on, I was so nervous. His name is Steve, my name’s Gary. And I said, hi, my name’s Steve. This is my friend, Gary. We started laughing. You forgot your own name.

Gary Grogan (13:17):
I forgot my own name. And the lady slammed the door in our face and I’m like, Hey, I blew that one, man. I’ll do better next time. So the next door we went to, hi my name’s Gary. This is my friend Steve and our approach. Wasn’t very good. And I said, we’re out around the neighborhood talking to people about God. I’d like to talk to you about God. She goes, yeah, come on in. She had us reading out of the new world translation, which in particular, the new Testament is very inaccurate by dishonest so-called Greek scholars. It’s actually the Bible that the Jehovah witnesses use. And she’s in revelation talking about the 144,000. I’m like, I don’t know, maybe you’re right and I’m wrong. I mean, my pastor talked me into coming out here and I was so confused. We went back to that church for a late lunch and some of my friends that I’d gone to youth camp with convention, with revivals rallies, wonderful church services, they had led their first soul to Christ and there was a fire in them that I’d never seen before.

Gary Grogan (14:29):
And Steve and I wanted that and Steve said, let’s fast lunch. Well for a 14, 15 year old, a 13, 14 year old, he was a year younger than me to fast lunch dude. That was a big thing, man. Yeah, but we did Jesus. We wanna win a soul to you. I would encourage you to ask the Lord, Lord help me to be a witness today. I did it this morning in my devotions. And I’ve already been able to share with somebody here, even though I’m at a Christian conference, help me to witness to somebody. Lord help me to thank

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:04):
God. There’s at least one Christian here. That’s willing to witness to other people.

Gary Grogan (15:08):
Well, hallelujah. So you know, you pray, pray, prayer care share approach. So we skipped lunch. We prayed, we fasted, we went to a little trailer court in this little town of Rushville, Illinois, right by the Illinois river in the Midwestern part of the United States. And we’re knocking on trail our doors. It was my turn to talk. This is a true story. Knocked on the door. I said, hi, my name’s Gary. This is my friend, Steve. We are out around the neighborhood talking to people about God. We’d like to talk to you. The guy that answered the door, he goes just a minute. And he came back with a revolver, a pistol, a gun. He said, sit down here on the front step boys. It was warm time of the year. I don’t, it was summer. And I’m like coming home, coming home, never or more to Rome.

Gary Grogan (16:15):
I wasn’t really too worried because the cylinder was not in the pistol. But then he pulled the cylinder out of his pocket and he put it in the gun. And he said, boys, see that mirror in there on the wall said, yes, sir. He said, I’ve been standing in front of that mirror for 30, 45 minutes. I don’t know how long our child died. In what we used to call crib death. My wife couldn’t handle it. Had a nervous breakdown. She’s in a psych ward, in a nearby hospital, in a larger city. The transmission fell out of my car. I haven’t been able to get to work. I’ve lost my job. They’re going to reap the bank’s going to reposess my trailer that I live in, my relatives have helped me all that they can help me. And I’ve been standing in front of that mirror, boys. I don’t know, 30, 45 minutes with that gun up to my head, ready to take my life. And I said seconds before you knocked on the door. God, if there is a God, send somebody here to talk to me about you

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:25):
And you knocked on the door. 14, 15 years old teenager sent by God to help rescue this man.

Gary Grogan (17:33):
Hi, my name Gary. This is my friend, Steve we’re out around the neighborhood talking to people about God. We’d like to talk. The very thing that he had just prayed brother king. The very thing that he had just prayed. I said, gimme the gun. And I used my little new Testament and I let him through what we call the Romans road. All of Sinon come short of the glory of God. But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. Our Lord, to as many as received him, he gives the power, the authority, the he to become the sons of God. I led him in the longest what we call sinners, prayer and history. I mean, I was so excited that I was leading somebody to Jesus. I had him make all kind of commitments to the Lord in his prayer. He didn’t even know what I was talking about, but he knew that God had heard his prayer, that Anne served the Lord in a church in Rushville, Illinois, for years and years and years.

Gary Grogan (18:34):
And every Christmas I would get a card from him. He’s gone on home to be with the Lord. Now that experience changed my life. And I knew from that point to this, it didn’t matter what I did in life. I wanted be a soul winner. I wanted to introduce people to the person and work of Jesus Christ. That’s what evangelism, that’s what soul winning. That’s what witnessing is all about. Now. The evangelist is part of the fivefold ministry, Ascension gifts of Christ in Ephesians chapter four and a true evangelist missionary evangelist. Like this one knows how to equip us, equip the body of Christ. If you go to his website, you can look at all of his materials that he’s prepared as an equipping evangelist to teach you. And I how to share our faith in Jesus prayer care share approach. So I, I don’t want to be critical of any part of the body of Christ.

Gary Grogan (19:38):
I love the body of Christ. I preach in every kind of church you can imagine. I used to do teens encounter Christ tech rallies for the Catholic church, way back in CA at charismatic renewal days, I’ve done holy spirit things for the Methodist church all over the Midwest and had some wonderful experiences was in a Methodist church, not too long ago, about 40 people got holy spirit baptized. It was awesome. Prayer meeting at the end of the service was just amazing. Mainly young people responding, but evangelicalism we’re part of the charismatic Pentecostal part of evangelicalism. They have taught the gift of evangelism. I just don’t see it in scripture. I see the gift of an evangelist and Ascension gift of Christ. I believe every healthy sheep reproduces sheep. So yes, there are some people that are perhaps more gregarious in their personality, a type, a personality. If you’re into the Igram, some of you know what I’m talking about, a type eight, but I just don’t see the gift of evangelism. That’s what the evangelical church teaches. They literally teach people only 5% of a church has the gift of evangelism,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:04):
Which is sad because if only 5% are actively doing evangelism, the church is not growing very fast. We need everyone in the church out there telling people about Jesus, even if they might be introverted in their nature.

Gary Grogan (21:20):
Yes. You know, God uses introverts. I mean, there’s a lot of books out on that. Now. Some of the most successful pastors I know would be introverted in their personality. I think it’s sinful to use our personality types to hide behind. If we’re an extreme extrovert type, a personality, I don’t believe that gives you an excuse to be obnoxious and rude and plow over people, run over people. If you’re an extreme introvert, I don’t believe that gives you an excuse to hide behind your personality, to not engage with people. The holy spirit leads us, guides us direct us. The father sent the son, the son sent the spirit. This is the responsibility of the holy spirit to lead guide, teach and direct to, to transform, to make the love of the father, the heart of the father, real the forgiveness of the son, real and to help us do what we cannot do in our own strength.

Gary Grogan (22:21):
It’s we call it the anointing, you know Hebrews one eight, the, the Lord anointed Jesus with the oil of gladness. I love the king James here above all of his fellows because he loved righteousness and hated iniquity. That’s the secret to the anointing. We love righteousness. We want to live for the Lord. We want to win souls and we hate iniquity. We don’t want to go way of the flesh. We want to go the way of the spirit, which is soul winning. So anyhow, his arms getting tired. You know, I love what you’re doing. I love the fact that you have a heart for missions. You have a heart for evangelism. You are called to be an evangelist. One of the fivefold. I think every evangelist needs to have the understanding of a pastor and every pastor needs to have the understanding of an evangelist and we need to work together. So let’s get people to come to Jesus. That’s what I say. And you can do it. You can do it. It doesn’t matter. Your personality temperament type. The first evangelist in the new Testament was not Philip. It was the woman at the, the, well in John chapter four Jesus through personal evangelism and a word of knowledge, a gift to the holy spirit won her. And she went back and said, Hey, come and see this man that he told me everything I’ve ever done.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:54):
And the whole village came, the

Gary Grogan (23:56):
Whole village came. So I, I mean, some of the most awesome soul winners, I know are contemplative, quiet thinking people. So anyhow, I don’t know if your, your viewers send you emails and stuff like that, but if they wanted to contact me, they could do that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:16):
What would be a good way to get in touch with you? If someone wanted to learn more about evangelism,

Gary Grogan (24:22):
My Facebook page is full, but you can to my public Facebook page, Gary Grogan, G a R Y G R O G a N. Or you can go to my Twitter at Papa Grogan, or you can go to my Instagram, Papa underscore Grogan, G R O G a N, my primary gifting, spiritual fathering. It’s my job to come alongside the younger generation and encourage you to fulfill what God’s called you to do. So my passion is the emergent up and coming, developing generation of local church workers and min. That’s what I’m giving the last third, third of my life to, to set alongside you and encourage you. That’s it? I don’t need anymore opportunities, but the next generation I can open up doors of opportunities for them. That’s my primary calling. That’s what I love doing. Paul said you have many teachers, but few fathers. So that’s probably the easiest way initially to get in touch with me. And then of course they can find me on messenger and send me a message. And usually I get back to people within 24 hours. You know, if I’m in a conference like this, you get pretty busy. And we’re actually in Jacksonville, Florida in the Southeastern part of the United States. And it’s a winter time in the Midwest. So I’m really happy to be here. That’s why I’m wearing this wild shirt, cuz I can’t wear it right now in the Midwest.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:02):
Well, I’ve heard several people call you Papaji, Papa, Gary. And so thank for mentoring and fathering young ministers in the faith that’s so needed and so valuable. And thank you Papaji for being on the evangelism podcast.

Gary Grogan (26:19):
Thank you so much. I never gave myself that nickname. You guys did. Your generation gave me that and I, I really love it. It really, I wouldn’t be where I am today. If it wasn’t for generations who had gone before me, that invested in my life. And now it’s my turn. So you, you know, I’d say if you’re my age, if you’re a baby boomer, okay, I’m all for retirement, but you can’t just sit on the beach forever. You, you, you can’t just fish every day. You have lots of wisdom, lots of experience. And especially these gen Zers, they want to hear from you, but let’s not throw the millennials under the bus. Either. God is not done with any generation. He still calls people every generation to serve him and to be a witness. And so that’s, you know what I’m all about?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:11):
Well, thank you,

Gary Grogan (27:13):
God bless you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:15):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast. I am excited about telling people about Jesus and we could not preach the gospel without your help. Over our years of ministry, we found that we’re able to reach one person for Jesus, for every dollar that people give us. And so that means that if you would give us $1, we could start a party in heaven. In fact, I’m asking people to a join our partnership program and give at least $1 every single month to help us to lead more people to Jesus. This is the greatest investment of your dollar that you can make. It’s the only investment that’s gonna matter 10,000 years from now. So if you would like to help us lead people to Jesus, please visit king ministries.com K I N G king ministries.com and help us lead people to Jesus today. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (28:16):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again that’s king ministries.com.


Joel Crumpton | Take Up Your Cross and Follow Me

Joel Crumpton carries a 10 foot cross across America and he has seen God do tremendous miracles. On today’s podcast he’s going to talk about how you can walk in the miraculous as you step out in evangelism.

Connect with Joel Crumpton: https://www.facebook.com/Evangelist-Joel-Crumpton-106564374333141


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Joel Crumpton carries a 10 foot cross across America and he has seen God do tremendous miracles. On today’s podcast he’s going to talk about how you can walk in the miraculous as you step out in evangelism.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:30):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast with Dr. Daniel King as Daniel interviews full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to this discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:55):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited to tell people about Jesus today. I’m here with a special guest Joel Crumpton. Great evangelist. Thank you for being with me today. It’s gonna be with you. Well, tell me a little bit about you and your ministry and what you do

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (01:13):
Well, I’ve I’ve been in ministry for many years. I, one of the things I do that I, I guess most people know me for is I carry a big 10 foot cross. I’ll go to different cities. I’ve been across America a few times. I, I, I did several major cities where I carried the cross and people come out and ask me, why are you doing this? And then I can minister to them on the street. And we see a lot of people saved, healed baptized in the holy spirit, right out in public, on the street. I’ve also been in other countries doing it. I have a cross that they built for me in the Netherlands have another one in the Philippines, another one a couple of them in Africa, different countries in Africa.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:51):
And so as you carry this 10 foot tall cross, what response do you get from people? What are they saying to you? The,

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (02:00):
The, the biggest response and the most common response is people say, why are you doing this? And my response to that question is I came out here to find you, God sent me out here to find you and many times I know that if an unsafe person comes up and asks me, why are you doing this? They’re wanting me to talk to ’em about Jesus, because they, they’re not, they’re not gonna be surprised if I bring up heaven or hell or God or G use this because I’m carrying a 10 foot cross for crying out loud. So they’re asking, so

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:27):
It’s a conversation opener.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (02:29):
It is. And it separates, you know, the hardest thing for Christians is and when it comes to evangelism is finding someone to talk to, who’s willing to listen. If you’ve got a 10 foot cross and someone approaches you, they’re asking you to talk to ’em. So it, it narrows it down tremendously. It’s like, I mean, you’ll see most, if I go down by busy street, for instance, in Atlanta and people see me coming, the ones that don’t wanna hear what I have to say, they’ll, they’re like the parting of the red sea. They’ll just kind of move away. And then the, the few people that do want to talk to me will, will come up to me and ask me why I’m doing it. So it’s the perfect, it’s the perfect opportunity for me to talk to somebody who wants to hear what I have to share

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:10):
And share with me some of the testimonies. What response have you received from people?

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (03:16):
Well, there’s been so many, I’ve been doing this since the mid nineties. And so there’s a lot of interesting stories. I mean, I can tell you stories of people approaching me. Like for instance, during the pandemic, you know, everybody was, most Christians were at home hiding into the bed, afraid, afraid they might get something. If they went out in public. And I, I, I was just, it was driving me nuts. I thought I can’t in the house. People are going shopping. And that means they’re driving and they’re going shopping where there’s Walmarts. And I always say, you know, joking, Walmart is the saving place.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:49):
Walmart is the saving

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (03:51):
Place. Walmart’s the saving place. I’m gonna go near Walmart. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:54):
You have an opportunity to go to Walmart and tell people about Jesus and save it for their sins and maybe save a few cents when you buy a thing of cereal at the

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (04:02):
Same time. Right? Right. So I’m walking past Walmart. And I had gone down maybe a mile past Walmart, on marketplace Boulevard in the city where I lived at the time. And we just moved since then. But a car pulls over and, and a it’s a man and his son and son, he says, Hey man, why are you carrying this cross? And I said, I came out here to find you. He said what? I said, yes. And then I got a word of knowledge. I said, which one of you guys has back pain? He said, we both do. How did you know that? I said, I don’t know anything about you, but God knows everything. I said, I’ve got good news for you. The kingdom of heaven has come near as today. I said, if you’ll just get outta the car and let my sh cause you know, they were, everybody was concerned about the social distancing thing.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (04:48):
I said, if you guys will just get outta the car and I don’t have to touch you anything, just get in the shadow of me and the cross. And God’s power will heal both of you right now. So the guy said, well, my sons is worse. I’ll let him go first. So I said, just get over to move over to your right a little bit. And, and so that the shadow of me and the cross falls on you and Jesus will completely hear your back. So he, he gets in the shadow. He looks at his dad and says, dad, I feel heat going through my back right now. He said, I feel the pain going, dad, I’m serious. He said, I said, is there any pain? I said, do something you couldn’t do without pain. And he starts bending and twisting. He says, I don’t feel any pain. He said, probably if I picked something up, I would feel pain. I said, pick my cross up. And it’s a 10 foot wooden cross. So he picks up my cross and he says, I don’t feel anything. I said, you just got held. His dad saw that and jumped in front of the cross and was instantly heal. I didn’t even pray for him.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (05:41):
Jesus just heal them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:42):
What a great miracle. Tell me some of the other testimonies that you experienced.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (05:48):
Well, I mean, I have, I’ve had a lot of people during the pandemic pull over and ask me and, and very similar to, to the one I just mentioned to you about the man and his son. Son’s another one that did that. But sometimes I’ll be carrying the cross and God will just set up a divine appointment. In other ways, for instance, one time I was on I think it was Barrett Parkway in north of Atlanta, which is an interesting name of a street where you’re gonna be carrying a cross Barrett Parkway. I dunno if you called that Barrett.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:18):
Okay. Barrett Parkway. And you’re bearing the cross.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (06:20):
I’m bearing the cross. So somebody asked me why, why did you go on Barrett Parkway? I said, until you asked me, I never thought about it. Anyway, I’m walking down Barrett Parkway and I’m passing by a restaurant. I think it was Chili’s. I’m not sure. I don’t remember, but as I’m passing it, I look and I see, and there’s a, I’m a sidewalk way up at, up a bank from the restaurant parking lot to the main street there, Barrett Parkway. And as I look to my right, it’s about it’s right at dinnertime. So sun hasn’t quite gone down yet, but there’s a lot of people waiting for a table sitting outside on the, in, in the, this little area, outside the restaurant. So I looked down there and the holy spirit speaks to me and says, stop and stand the cross up. So I thought, okay.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (07:02):
So I stopped, stopped and stood the cross up. And then he says, preach to these people. And I said, Lord, they can’t hear me from here. And he said, ask ’em. I said, excuse me, folks, can you guys hear me down there? And they all, they all, noded their head. And I said, oh no, they can hear me. I thought Lord, I don’t have a message. He said, just open your mouth wide and I’ll fill it. So I thought, well, I just thought of a scripture. I thought, well, the Bible, I said, ladies and gentlemen, get, let me get your attention for just a minute. I said, the Bible says that the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. But to us who are saved, it’s the power of God, which one is it to you? And I began to preach as I’m preaching.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (07:43):
The holy spirit speaks to me again, says, give an alter call. And I thought, Lord, how am I gonna give an alter call? I’m on the sidewalk. Way up here on top of a bank. And they’re down there across the parking lot for me. How am I gonna do that? He said, call ’em to come up to the base of the bank, to the bottom of that, of this bank down here at the edge of the, so I did, I gave an ultra call, nobody responded. And I said, Lord, nobody responded. He said, bind the devil out loud and watch what happens. I said, Lord, they don’t wanna think I’m crazy. If I do that, he said, they already think you’re crazy. Just go ahead and do it. Just obey me and do it. So I, about that time, a whole table full of people, a big family was called in their table was ready.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (08:22):
So they went inside and, and, and after they got inside, I, I took a, I said, folks, I’m gonna bond the devil. And when I do, you’re gonna have a split second to get out, to get up and come up here and show God you’re not ashamed to follow his son. Jesus. So when I did that, I bound the devil in Jesus name and the front door burst saw open. And a young man comes almost sprinting out to the edge of the, of the bank where I was at the, on the sidewalk, points up at me and said, sir, if you’ll come in here and let me buy your dinner, I won’t drink anything else. I pointed back at him. And I said, sir, if you’ll come up here on the sidewalk and knee down with me and surrender your life into Jesus right now in front of all these people, you’ll never drink anything else that that’s alcoholic.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (09:05):
And he paced and he was waring. You know, the holy spirit was working him. The devil was working on him. And finally he climbed the bang and got down on his knees and surrendered his life to Jesus. So he said, come on in and I’ll buy your dinner. I said, well, first I gotta put this cross back in my truck. So he followed me to the truck. We went back and went inside the, the restaurant. And he told me what his experience was, why he came out like that. He said, I’m listening to you preach. And it was like, you were talking directly to me. He said, when you said, man, some of you, your hearts just pounding in your chest. He said, my heart was pounding in my chest. He said, when you said some of you feel strange, you feel something drawn on you.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (09:42):
He said, I felt strange. And I felt something tugging on me. He said when you said you got a split second to come out here in front of all these people. He said, I’m, I’m inside the restaurant with my family. And I couldn’t stay in my seat. He said, I kept up getting up and pacing. And he said, my girlfriend and my kids were at the table and my, and my wife’s parents or my girlfriend’s parents. He said, my girlfriend looked at me and said, why you what’s wrong with you? He said, I’ve gotta go back out there. And she said, well, do whatever you think you have to do. And that was when he came bursting through the door and, and came walking up. Yeah. So that was just one of him. He, he got saved. I’ve seen many people get saved.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (10:21):
One time. I’m carrying the cross down the street from there. And I, I noticed, as I turned around to come back, I’d gone about maybe two miles turned around to come back. I noticed a woman and her son were walking up a side street and they were gonna arrive at the corner. I was headed toward the same time that I was. So I saw them coming. I thought, man, we’re gonna get there at the same moment. And I just said out loud, this is interesting timing. And they both look shocked that when I said that and the woman says, what did you call him? And I looked at him and I knew what she thought. I said, I said, your name is Tommy. Isn’t it? And they freaked out. How did you know his name was Tommy? And I said, I didn’t, but God did she thought, I said, this is interesting Tommy. But I said, this match my Southern accent. I said, this is interesting timing. I said, God knows everything about you, Tommy. And he knows about you too, mommy. I said, this is your son. She goes, yes. And they just hung on every word. I said, both of ’em prayed with me, rented their life to Jesus right there in the corner.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:20):
How did you get started as an evangelist? How did this passion for evangelism develop in you?

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (11:26):
Well, when I first got born again, I was, I was partying, you know, before I got saved and I was in a rock band and I was I was just a crazy person. And when I got saved in my office by myself, nobody was preaching to me. I gave my life to Jesus. The moment I got saved, I thought everybody needs to know what I just learned because I didn’t know. You know, I, I guess about two weeks after I got saved, I realized I don’t have any desire for, for the stuff I used to do. I thought that if I ever got saved, I would be miserable wanting to do the stuff. I enjoyed sinful things. And I thought it would be miserable wanting to do it and not be able to do it or what I got saved. I thought, man, I don’t even want it anymore.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (12:06):
Everybody needs to know this. So that’s what got me started doing Evangel. I didn’t know what I was doing at first. It took me what, how to finally learn how to do it correctly. So now what I do is I, I equip people on how to bring souls into the kingdom, through miracle evangelism, not just words, but per not just persuasive words of human wisdom as, as the apostle Paul said, but through the demonstration of the spirit and of power. So people, when they see miracles, they go, this is real. This is what I want. I want

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:34):
This. So your focus is on miracle evangelism. What are some of the miracles that you’ve seen God do? Wow,

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (12:40):
Well, I’ve, I’ve seen I’ve, I’ve lost count of, of the miracles in the last, you know, for the first 25 years before I got a revelation on healing, I had prayed for sick people and I’d maybe seen 20 to 25. People get healed in 25 years. Not you, maybe one a year. On average, after I got a revelation about 18 years ago now it’s it’s been almost 19 years ago of this month. I saw more people healed when I first got this revelation 18 years ago than I had seen. I, I saw more people healed than one month than I’ve seen in 25 years. And it it’s. I wrote a book about it. It’s called you can do the works of Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:16):
You can do the works of Jesus. You

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (13:18):
Can do the works of Jesus and people are reading it of all ages. I’m talking children up to grandpas and grandmas are reading the book, putting it into practice. And they’re seeing the same miracles that I see the same miracles that Jesus did because Jesus said that in mark or in John chapter 14 verse 12, he said, barely, barely I say to you, he, that believes on me will do the same works that I do. And greater works than these shall he do because I go to my father. So one time I wasn’t carrying the cross at the time, but I was at a men’s gr gathering and a young man who wasn’t saved was in a drug treatment program in this church where having the men’s gathering well, he wandered in while we were having the gatherings about midnight. It was on new year’s Eve, actually new year’s morning, very early about one o’clock in the morning.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (14:04):
So he’s standing over there with dark sunglasses on, at one o’clock in the morning. I thought, what’s he doing with some dark sunglasses on? Well, the gentleman that invited me there addressed him, his name was Brandon said, Brandon, how you doing on your drinking? He said, I haven’t had anything to drink all week. And my friend Wade, who was asking him about it said, I know you’re not telling the truth, but we’re not going to, we don’t want to condemn you. We wanna pray for you. We’ve been here all weekend praying. So he said, Joel, he turned to me and he said, Joel, I know you wanna leave. And I did. I was already dressed to go. He said, I know you you’re ready to, to go, but can you help us pray for this guy first? I thought, sure. I’ll help you.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (14:40):
So we began to pray and the Lord showed me something about him that he needed me to pray about specifically. So I asked my friend about it and he said, nobody’s ever prayed for him for that. I don’t think I said, can I pray for him? He said, sure. So he got his attention. He was already on his, on his knees. He said, it’s okay if brother Joel prays for you about something, he said, sure, that’s fine. So I said, just outta reverence, you still had his dark sunglasses on me. I said, you mind taking your sunglasses off outta reverence to God? He said, I don’t mind. So he takes his sunglasses off and his eyes lynched tightly shut. I said, what’s wrong with your eyes? He said, I’m blind. I said, I didn’t know you were blind. Cause that’s why you were wearing the glasses.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (15:18):
He said, yeah, I was, I was in a chemical explosion four years ago in a closed trailer with ammonium chloride exploded right in front of my face and burned four layers off of my eyeballs, bleached all the color outta my eye eyes. I ruin my tear ducts. So my eyes don’t make tears. And I can’t see. And before I could stop myself, I said, well, I’ve got good news for you. The kingdom of heaven has come to this. We were in a big gymnasium where we were, I said, the kingdom of heaven has come to this gymnasium. I said, if you’ll let me put my hands on your eyes, Jesus will completely heal your eyes. And you’ll be able to see again right now when I said that, I thought, what, what did I just say? I wanted to grab those words and put ’em back in my mouth.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (15:58):
I thought, oh no, I can’t believe I said that. And of course, everybody in the room was freaking out going, what did he say? He’s the guy that needed a healing said, well, I hope so. I said, just let me touch your eyes and you gonna have to hope so. So he said, okay, so I’ll just try it. I put my hands on his eyes. And I said in the name of the Lord, Jesus Christ be healed. Eyes, be open vision, be restored. Thank you Lord for handing this man’s eyes. And I’m shaking. My hands are shaking. Not because I was anointed, but cause I was nervous. I was scared. I thought, what? If nothing happens, I’ll be embarrassed. But see, I’d learn something. Fear is of feeling, but it can’t cancel faith because faith is an act. If you act in faith, whether you’re afraid or not, God will honor and he’ll watch over his word and perform it.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (16:41):
If you tell him what’s gonna happen before you minister to him, that’s what I did. So I put my hand, I took my hands off his eyes. I said, now open your eyes. He opens his eyes and clenched him right back shirt. And he said, ah, I can’t, it’s two pain from my eyes are very sensitive to light. I said, man, you’ve been like in a dark room for four years. You gotta let your eyes adjust to the light. Give, give it some time. So he keeps trying to open his eyes and sure enough, he gets ’em halfway open and you see these black, these Milky looking gray eyeballs. I mean, no, no colors, a black guy. So as he had no color in his eyes at all, he said he was looking around. He goes, I can see a little bit. I can actually see a little bit.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (17:17):
My wife’s gonna freak out. I said, Hey, there was a guy in the Bible that Jesus prayed for who was born blind. And, and he could see men that looked like trees walking around. Now, I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want somebody driving a car. And that I was in. If everybody looked like trees walking around, I would want to see than that. So Jesus, didn’t just say, man, that was the best I could do. Jesus prayed for him again. Laid hands on him a second time. And he could, then he could see clearly. I said, if it’s okay for Jesus to do that twice then before the person got completely healed, it’s okay for us too. He said, okay, do it again. Now I got this crowd of guys around me. It wasn’t a big crowd. It was maybe eight or 10 people, but they’re like freaking out and I’m, I’m starting to get excited cause I’d never seen a blind man heal.

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (18:01):
So I put my hands on his eyes again. Did it again. I said, now open your eyes. He opens his eyes and he starts screaming. I can see, I can see I almost fainted. I was actually looking for that. And I’m I turned my back to him cause I’m just, I was overwhelmed and I lifted my hands and began to praise God. And my friend that knew this guy, he’s bent over, looking right into his eyes. And I hear my friend behind me. That’s looking into his eyes scream. Yeah. I turn around to see why, what he was screaming about. And he’s leaping backwards because he saw something. He grabbed me by the shoulders and looking with intensity. He says to me, Joel, I just saw a miracle. I just watched the color, come back into the guy’s eyes right in front of me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:42):
Wow. It

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (18:43):
Like crazy. Well, I was already peeked out in excitements, you know, just praising God. So I had to do something. I had to react. Cause that was like shocking. I just started running. I didn’t even know where I was going. And my friend that, that saw the miracle, he passed me. He was excited as I was the guy that was healed, ran home and, and it miracles just started popping like popcorn. Another guy got killed of a tumor on the back of his knee. It disappeared. Another man got killed of chronic, upper respiratory infection was slammed against the wall by the power of God and healed, stuck to the wall. Pastor. Another guy was healed of chronic what is it? Acid reflux. And he was instantly healed. I mean, miracles just started popping and they, they had that people kept getting healed and having experiences with God the rest of the evening. It was powerful.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:32):
That’s amazing. What a miracle ministry. Well, if someone wants to find out more information about your ministry, what is your website?

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (19:38):
The website is the B o.com. It’s T H E B P O m.com. And there’s, I’ve got a connection to Facebook PA my Facebook page where I’m always posting testimonies and you can get my book. You can do the works for Jesus on the, on the website as well. And some other there’s articles and videos. There’s some YouTube videos on there that are equipping videos or very short, maybe 30 minutes or less that people can watch and get equipped to, to walk in miracles and people can even be healed watching the videos or receive the baptism in the holy spirit. It

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:12):
That’s awesome. Well thank you for being on the evangelism podcast, brother. Joel,

Evangelist Joel Crumpton (20:16):
Thank you brother.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:17):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast. I am excited about telling people about Jesus and we could not preach the gospel without your help. Over our years of ministry, we found the we’re able to reach one person for Jesus, for every dollar that people give us. And so that means that if you would give us $1, we could start a party in heaven. In fact, I’m asking people to join our partnership program and give at least $1 every single month to help us to lead more people to Jesus. This is the greatest investment of your dollar that you can make. It’s the only investment that’s gonna matter 10,000 years from now. So if you would like to help us lead people to Jesus, please visit king ministries.com K I N G king ministries.com and help us lead people to Jesus today. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (21:19):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches visit K ministries.com. Again that’s king ministries.com.


Travis Holownia | A Resurgence of God in Canada

Travis Holownia is the leader of Resurgence, a powerful ministry that is impacting Canada and nations around the world. On today’s podcast you are going to hear his heart for bringing revival to the nation of Canada.

Connect with Resurgence Today: https://liveresurgence.com/ 


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Travis Holownia is the leader of Resurgence, a powerful ministry that is impacting Canada and nations around the world. On today’s podcast, you are going to hear about his heart for bringing revival to the nation of Canada. J

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:23):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their power, powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:52):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest, Travis Holownia, my good friend from the Edmonton Canada area. So thank you so much for being on the podcast.

Travis Holownia (01:07):
Yeah. Good to be here, Daniel, appreciate getting to know you the last few years and excited to just be with you all today.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:13):
So let’s talk about Canada. What is God doing in the nation of Canada right now?

Travis Holownia (01:19):
God is moving, you know I think like so many nations, this has not been an easy time. There’s been lockdowns and lots of this unity. I think, you know, we were seeing such unity and the enemy has used COVID to bring this unity, but I, I think God is at work. He is moving. There is redemption happening. People are finding G Jesus submits this, and I think it’s a reshuffling of priorities. And I believe that Canada will be saved that there is a great mission field. And it’s from the far north to the Arctic, from east to the west, to the south. And I’m excited what God is doing. It’s easy to look at what God, the tough stuff. I think we can all look at the tough stuff, but there’s also some really good stories that would go is doing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:04):
So the name of your ministry is resurgence. Yeah. Tell me what is resurgence and how did you get started doing this?

Travis Holownia (02:13):
Yeah, so, you know, God just birthed this. The name means a rising again, renewal restoration revival that rising and, you know, in 2008 I was stirred. I was back up a little bit. I was an engineer working for an oil company and I, and I felt God’s voice. I didn’t know if it was God, if it was the pizza eight the night before, if it was the devil, you know, sometimes it’s hard to know what God’s voice sounds like. And I felt his voice saying to quit my job and go full-time in ministry. And so I did that handed in the company, truck, handed that all in, I, I went and served. They say, you know, when you don’t know what God’s doing, go serve someone else’s dream. And so I served a guy’s dream to do the largest youth conference in our nation.

Travis Holownia (02:53):
16,000 kids a year were gathering. I think a YC did that for eight years. We did them internationally. And during that season, God birthed this idea. I was reading books, a revival books of how Charles Price came to my city in 1923. And people were so hungry for God that they would break the window just to get in. And I thought, man, that’s not my city, young adults are leaving the church. The churches are, are dying. People are falling away from God. My friends aren’t having an encounter with holy spirit. They’re, they’re going to church, but they’re not really connecting with that personal encounter. And so I said, what, what could we do something? And I felt, God birthed this name, resurgence never heard of it before. It was just this. Like, what do we call it? And this worder I’m like, what does that mean?

Travis Holownia (03:36):
I had to look it up. And so we gathered, we had three nights of meetings and we said, expect miracles, experience revival expect freedom. And people came, this lady came, she got healed. Leukemia people came. And we, so we did three nights. Again, we weren’t starting a ministry. We were just, it was like a side thing. It was like, Hey, what can we do? Because I believe God wants to move. And we rented this theater. And we did that. And then we start moving it from church to church. And that’s where we saw such momentum and unity with so many denominations Baptist Alliance, Anglican, all these even non charismatic Pentecostal denominations saying, Hey, we’re hungry for more. We want to have an authentic counter. And from that, we started to raise up people to reach souls reach people for Jesus, to, to release leaders.

Travis Holownia (04:22):
And how do we revive the church? We’re not a church. So how do we raise the water level up of many churches to see more people win one for Jesus. And so that’s, that’s the heart of it. And you know, my story actually started years ago and, and I, and I speak to evangelists that are listening today. You never know the, the seeds plant and in 1930, my grandparents immigrated to Canada from Poland. They were new of God, but they didn’t have a personal relationship. They ended up in a small town in Alberta, in Canada, they were farming. They had to pick all the rocks off the land and clear the trees and then they would get the land for free and so hard working sick kids. My grandmother got really ill at age of 40 was sent on a train to Edmonton, was going to die.

Travis Holownia (05:07):
The priest was called for the last rights and said that, you know, it’s over. And my grandfather was outside one day and a neighbor said, you know, there’s an evangelist at the Pentecostal church and he’s praying for people. You should go. My grandfather goes, well, my, my wife can’t go too sick. Well, you go. So he went and the guy prayed for my grandmother. And when he got home, my grandmother was sitting up in her bed, brushing her daughter’s hair, completely healed. And that’s at 40 years old, she lived till she was 97 and died of old age, not of any sickness and because of that, the whole family came to Jesus. And so that’s why I’m here today. Cuz an evangelist came to a small town and that’s why I do what I do because you know, there’s people that have not heard the name of Jesus that need a miracle that need a touch like, like my grandmother that can impact generations.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:55):
Let’s talk about the future. What is your vision for revival in the nation of Canada? I, my wife, Jessica is from Canada. She lived in Morville small city, right outside of Edmonton. And so every summer we go up to Canada and I preach in different church is across Canada. And, and I know there’s so many believers in Canada that are crying out to God for revival that are, that have a hunger and a desire to, to see more of God. And, and when you watch the news, you, you say, yes God is needed in the nation of Canada. What, what do you think will happen in the future? What does God want to do? Bringing revival to Canada?

Travis Holownia (06:39):
I do think unity is key. I think when we have unity, God will give us survival. I think there’s a key of us working together. I think denominational borders and lines and all of that as we’re being in one church is coming together in an incredible way. I believe prayer is rising in our nation in this season of hard. It, that there is such a prayer movement. And I also believe that Canada has such a call. There’s been so many prophetic words that Canada will be healing leaves to the nations. There’s a call for the nations. And I feel like if, if I, as a leader, I, as an evangelist, just have the vision of Canada, I might miss the global impact. And the more I pray for the more I find stirred for the nations, it’s, it’s this interesting thing. And I, and I fight it going well. I need to, you know, Canada will be saved and, and I believe that, but I also believe there’s such a call for Canada to raise up evangelists and people to bring healing to nations. And so I believe that’s part of our future

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:35):
In Canada has a, a rich heritage of having an impact on the nations. As I travel around the world, I, I meet many Canadian missionaries that are, have given their lives for the sake of the gospel. Just last week, you and I both had the opportunity to participate in the launch of the global evangelist Alliance. And so I was in a studio in Orlando, Florida when Nathan Morris and you were in a stadium over in Amsterdam with the team over there. Yeah. And together we launched this worldwide vision for the, the global evangelist Alliance under the ministry of Empowered21. Yeah. Led by Billy Wilson, the, the president of, Oral Roberts University. And really the, the purpose of this organization is to call evangelists together and to raise up a new generation of evangelists. In the past you had great evangelists like, Oral Roberts, Billy Graham, TL, Osborn, Reinhard Bonnke and they saw God do tremendous things. But now we’re saying this is a new era of evangelism, a new time where, where God wants to, to raise up the, the evangelistic gift in the church. Do, do you see evangelists and people with a heart for evangelism being raised up in Canada? Yeah.

Travis Holownia (08:58):
I believe that I believe that’s our, you know, there’s so many different movements and things that are, that are stirring to go, how do we raise the harvesters up because there’s gonna be a harvest. And I see churches that are shifting their focus from themselves to their community in a, an incredible away where we’ve seen decline in churches. We’ve seen a revitalization of churches that are going, Hey, we’ve been 80 years here and we’re not reaching anyone. And and so I believe it’s, you know, God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and a friend of mine said it this way. You know, he’s not saying he’s the God of three people. He’s the God of legacy. He’s the God of generation,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:35):
The generational God from, from one generation to the next generation.

Travis Holownia (09:38):
And so how do we raise up? And, and, you know, it’s been an honor to serve on that together with you and what God’s doing. But my heart for is how do we release leaders? Like if our ministries, if Daniel Kingman for surgeons, if it’s just about us at the end of the day, our impact will be short. But if we can raise a generat, our ability to raise up sons and daughters that are gonna reach a generation and I’ll never reach, you’ll never reach in places. And, and that will never even thought were possible. Then I think that’s what God’s called us to do. And so that’s why I put my time in. I know that’s why you put your heart into it because Hey, there’s resources out there. There’s the school that we’ve put out on, on video and all that, because why, because we care about another generation because we can’t reach the harvest of ourselves.

Travis Holownia (10:24):
There’s too many people by 2033 is the vision that everyone had had authentic counter with Jesus. That’s pretty impossible for my ministry. I know that’s impossible for you, but if we have thousands of people that say yes to it, and, and so I think it’s bringing people and saying, Hey, God has a call for you finding those people, calling them forth. And so I want to invest my time. I flew to Amsterdam to be part of you flew to Orlando. Why? Because yeah, we can reach a few, but we need a lot more people to be reaching a few

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:52):
And together we can accomplish something much greater than if we work separate. Totally. I think this is a time where, where God is calling ministries to partner together to work together. Because often if you’re off alone all by yourself you, you get lonely. Yeah. And, and it’s very difficult to have really significant impact. Yeah. But by working together, I think we really can impact the entire world in our generation. Yeah. And, and often God gives ministers like a, a life message or, or a something that, that most burns on their heart that they keep returning to over and over again in your life. What is the message that God has put in your heart that you, you find yourself preaching over and over again?

Travis Holownia (11:40):
I think there’s two. I think there’s a rising again, that idea that God has called. There’s an anointing to rise in everything he’s called us to do to fulfill that purpose. Not by might not by power, but by the spirit of God, but also to do it with knowing our identity. When I know who’s, I am, I can understand who I am. And I think as an evangelist, those, those listening, watching I think it’s so important to have that heart posture, cuz it’s so easy to strive and try to perform. And our identity become what we do, not who we are and we’re human beings, not human doings. And it’s something so key. And sometimes we’re like, we gotta conquer the world. Well, he’s got the whole world in his hands. We believe that he’s gonna build the church, our job’s to go and be good pointers to him, but I can’t save someone.

Travis Holownia (12:25):
I can’t heal someone. I can’t deliver someone he can. And my job’s to point really well. And, but I also have to know that I’m a son that I’m loved. Doesn’t matter if I’ve reached one or I’ve reached the millions. I’m still, it’s still the same place I am with him. And I think that’s so key in what we do because like you said, it can be lonely. And I think that’s why GE that’s why empower 21. That’s why any group that we’re part of is so important to run together and, and be together and be vulnerable with people like can actually call you on things and say, Hey, who’s in your life. And so if you’re an evangelist, you’re watching find, find some people to run with, find some people that can speak in your life, find some people that can actually call you on the stuff that you’re doing. Right. And the stuff that you need to maybe not do right. To do

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:09):
That. If someone wants to invite you to come minister at their church or, or they wanna find out more about out resurgence. Yeah. What’s your website. How can they find you?

Travis Holownia (13:17):
Live resurgence, L I V E R E S U R G E M C e.com. And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:23):
I’d encourage you to, to reach out to, to Travis and, and, and hear his heart for the nations. Let’s finish by praying for the nation of Canada. You know I’ve been praying for Canada. My, my wife is Canadian. Both of my kids have Canadian passports, I’m American. And so I feel a little bit left out, but still we are praying for Canada and, and we actually have a ministry in Canada, king ministries, Canada. And because of that, we, we are asking God to, to send revival the churches in, in Canada in that many places that, where the church has gotten weak or, or, or died down, that they would see flames of revival. Yeah. So let’s just pray for God to impact the nation of Canada and to, to raise up a new generation of young people to have an impact. Would, would you lead us in a prayer? Yeah.

Travis Holownia (14:15):
You know, we one of the verses that Canada has founded on is Psalm 72. Well, he shall have dominion from sea to sea, to the rivers, to the ends of the earth. And as you said that, I just think of that. That’s what I’m gonna pray that he shall have dominion. And so God, we thank you today for this opportunity. God, we thank you for the nation of Canada. And we declare today, we decree today, God, a move over your spirit in the nation, from the rivers to the ends of the earth, God, from east to the west, from the south to the north, that you would have dominion as our nation was founded on the word of God, God, we call it back to its vision, without vision, the people perish. And I call my nation back to its vision, that it should have dominion, that he shall have dominion.

Travis Holownia (14:56):
And I thank you for that verse without vision that people parish it’s written on our parliament buildings. I thank you for a shift today in our nation, whether it seems dark and bleak and impossible. I thank you. We serve a God that all things are possible, not by my, not by power, but by the spirit. And we declare a rising again of your spirit in the nation of Canada. I thank you for the ministries, the churches, and we just speak. Lord, would you increase the work? Would you increase the harvester harvesters? Would you, would you call forth more missionaries and more evangelists in our nation? I thank you for what you’re doing worldwide. I thank you for those. Listen and watching today, wherever they are. I pray that you would bless them, that you would equip them, that your holy spirit would come and fall on everyone listening to this podcast today, I pray healing in hearts, healing in bodies, and I pray such a fresh passion for evangelism to arise in every single person in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Thank you such an honor to be with you. Daniel Love what you’re doing. You’re doing keep doing what you’re doing. Thank you.

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Amsterdam 2023 | The Global Evangelist Alliance

In Amsterdam 2023, a mighty gathering of evangelists from all over the world will occur in Amsterdam – June 21-24, 2023. If you are passionate about evangelism, you are invited to attend. On today’s episode, we will listen to the second half of the launch of the Global Evangelist Alliance where the plans for this amazing event in Amsterdam are announced.

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Global Evangelist Alliance | A New Era in Evangelism

On today’s episode, you will hear about the official launch of the Global Evangelist Alliance. This is a world-wide network of evangelists of every race, nationality and language, united in one goal, winning the world for Jesus. A new era in evangelism is beginning and it is exciting to be a part of it.

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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
On today’s episode, you will hear about the official launch of the global evangelist Alliance. This is a worldwide network of evangelists of every race, nationality in language United in one goal, winning the world for Jesus. A new era in evangelism is, and it is exciting to be a part of it.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:31):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where interviews full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Danielle King. Welcome

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:00):
To the Evangel podcast. I’m Daniel King. And I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. On today’s episode, I’m going to take you into the studio in Orlando, Florida, and on the ground in Amsterdam, where we are talking about the launch of the global evangelist Alliance. This is per it together by empowered 21 ministry led by Dr. Billy Wilson, the president of oral Roberts university, and the global evangelist Alliance is a ministry that’s designed to bring together spirit empowered evangelists from all, all over the world. This is very exciting. I think it’s gonna raise up an army of evangelists that are going to be passionate about bringing the gospel of Jesus Christ to the world. So come with me, live into the studio. As we listen to what God is doing,

Evangelism Podcast Host (02:01):
Hello and welcome to the law launch of the global evangelist Alliance. My name is Caleb Wehrli and I’m the executive director of empower 21. And we’re so glad that you’re joining us today for this global broadcast. You know, today I’m joined with one of my great friends, evangelist, John Luke Trel, the global co-chair of the global evangelist Alliance. John Luke, how excited are you for today’s launch? Oh,

Caleb Wehrli (02:25):
I’m very excited because we are living a historic launch of this global evangelist Alliance. But mainly in Caleb, I know, and I feel already the power and the presence of the holy spirit is coming upon you to be part of what God is going to do for this greatest harvest in the story.

Evangelism Podcast Host (02:44):
That is so amazing. You know, the global evangelist Alliance also known as the GA is a part of empowered 21. It’s a relational network of spirit empowered leaders from denominations and independent church ministry backgrounds that have come together in a relational network that spans the globe separate into 14 regions. We’re seeing God do amazing things around the earth. And part of our vision is to serve a movement and empower a generation. The global evangelist Alliance is one of the groups that we’re able to serve, that people can know more about Jesus and have an encounter with the holy spirit. When we look at the empowered 21 network and what God is doing all around the world, we’re amazed at how so many miracles are happening. And many times people have never even heard the stories, but through the global evangelist Alliance, we are gathering evangelists leaders, pastors, and ministry liaisons that can focus on reaching the end time harvest.

Evangelism Podcast Host (03:48):
We believe that through unity, the holy spirit, reaching the next generation and focusing on the great commission, we can see God do amazing things in the future. We know in the past, the God has done so many amazing things, historic things, even today, as we’re standing in this stadium live from Amsterdam in the Netherlands in 1954, Billy Graham held a crusade in this very stadium reaching an entire nation. And we thought what a better way that we could ever the launch of the global evangelist Alliance, then right here live from the Netherlands. And also with our friends that are gonna join us in just a few moments from the studio live in Orlando. And so on. Today’s broadcast. We have evangelists from around the world that will be here with us, and you’ll hear from them later in the broadcast. And also some that are with our friends in Orlando.

Evangelism Podcast Host (04:43):
It’s gonna be a powerful time over these next few moments. Probably the next hour is gonna impact your life in amazing ways. I wanna encourage you right now to text a friend, email, someone to jump on live right now to the YouTube channel, or they can go live dot power 20 one.com and you can catch all of what God is doing during this historic launch. Now, Sean Luke, when you think about the vision and the mission of empowered 21, there are many people, they, they don’t understand what is empowered 21. And why is the global evangelist Alliance so important?

Caleb Wehrli (05:22):
Well, I do believe in power 21 is really God’s idea. And actually we all know after this pandemic, I hope it’s the end. And we believe the dark season is behind and great, great new season is opening, but I really believe it’s a new area. And actually even the non-believers they know something has changed. We have entered into a new area and this new area, it’s an area to preach the gospel to every nations of the world. And that’s for, I so much enjoy the vision of I power 21. And I encourage you to be part of this vision, not just to watch, but to become an actor, to bring to every human being on this planet earth, to have a personal, real encounter with Jesus Christ through the power and the presence of the holy spirit by Pentecost 2033. Now I have a good news. My friend only through the holy spirit, with the help of the holy spirit, we’ll be able to do that. And the good news is the holy spirit is normal going to bring division among the body of Christ because he is God. And he’s our helper to reach the greatest harvest of E story.

Evangelism Podcast Host (06:43):
You know, as you share the passion and the vision for souls, that’s what E 21 is all about that people would have this authentic encounter with Jesus, through the power and the presence of the holy spirit and make be. You’re watching right now in your room, in your house, in your car, wherever you are, as you’re hearing this vision, as we’re launching the global evangelist Alliance, and you’re wondering, is it about others or is it about me? I wanna encourage you. It’s about you. It’s not about you just starting a MENA or moving to the mission field, but you understanding that God is called each of us to evangelize our mission field for some it’s around the world and for some it’s across the street. But for all of us, we’ve been given the commission to go everywhere and to tell everyone as a network, not only are we reaching people through this global evangelist Alliance, but through many other initiatives that we are seeing people come together in ministries, working together to reach this world for Jesus Christ. I’m joined today by one of my other good friends, evangelist Mattias van dine, who is living here in the nether. And you have ministered around the world and maybe shared just a little bit of how empowered 21 and the global evangelist Alliance is reaching and training leaders around the world.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
Thank you so much, Caleb, such a privilege to be here with you here in Amsterdam, in the Olympic stadium. Thank you for watching this very incredible moment in history. As an evangelist years ago, I came into a beautiful environment. In an event was called empower 21, a network of fathers and mothers who are helping empowering leaders all around the world for the great commission empower 21 is just not a, a movement or just an organization. What I saw and witness all over the world is it empowered 21. It’s helping leaders to unity, very important to unity, to focus what I love about a power 21. It’s not just a unity, but the unity around a fresh outpouring of the holy spirit on this 21st century focus power. 21 is a, a network of leaders who are focusing on the harvest and the challenging. And at times we are facing right now, it’s also discovering together a common strategy, how we can involve every generation to live an empowered life.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
What I love personally, as an evangelist the most is that empower 21 is all about witnessing a love. John three for 16 for God, loved the world so much that he gave his one and only son Jesus Christ, so that everyone who believes in him shall not bear, but have eternal life. And that’s exactly Caleb. Why, why we are here. This is exactly why we are here and why we’re doing empower 21. Why we are launching the global evangelist Alliance. This scripture, I just checked with you is used many times just for evangelists, but listen, imagine this is God’s passion in dream that everyone on planet earth will be saved and encounter Jesus Christ through the power of the holy spirit. And God is talking about you. I don’t believe that this vision of empower 21 is just from an organization it’s straight from the father, heart of God. Imagine every believer starts to end raise this passion. Yes, everyone. Imagine right now from your home, you can do this. This is not just only for evangelists. This is for every spirit filled and empowered Christian. Yeah. Is it possible that before the year, 2023, we can reach every personal planet earth with the power and love of Jesus Christ to the power of the holy or mine? I will say yes. So dream with us, dream with us, dream with us and be part of the global evangelist Alliance.

Evangelism Podcast Host (10:45):
So what you’re talking about and what you’re hearing about from John Luke, and now here from Mattias is this decade of evangelism focused and strategic. He hearing and obeying listening, and then moving forward. We believe that through this broadcast today, it’s gonna be another step in the process of what God has called you to do as you’re watching. And as you’re listening and even in just a few moments, as you hear from our friends in the Orlando studio, Ashley Wilson is our executive assistant director of empower 21. Along with evangelist Nathan Morris, they’re gonna be leading in the conversation there in Orlando and asking questions, hearing stories, and inspiring you and all throughout the broadcast today, you’re gonna have an opportunity to respond first, to responding in understanding what the global evangelist Alliance is all about. You can join the GE. You can go to the website, they’re gonna give you more information on how you an ordinary believer empowered by the holy spirit or a ministry leader, leading an entire denomination or an omega church, wherever you are, wherever you find yourself in ministry.

Evangelism Podcast Host (12:01):
This is a place for you to connect so that we can reap the harvest together. You’re also gonna hear some more information about an exciting initiative that we’re launching today, that we’ll meet next year. And it’s gonna be powerful. You’re gonna hear about it in just a few moments, but more than anything, our heart is that you would be inspired to reach the nations of the earth and the people in those nations like never before. So right now, we’re gonna go to a quick video for the global evangelist Alliance. We’re gonna come back with our friends in the Orlando studio, and they’re gonna share about the global evangelist Alliance

Speaker 6 (12:53):
Moment between the, and the morning when the darkness is overcome, The splits, it surrendering to the light. The is shaped by defining Moments, change the course of history.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
Six five,

Speaker 8 (13:25):
Hey, good day. I’m Ashley Wilson. I’m the assistant director for empowered 21. We are here, live in the shake. The nation’s studios here in Orlando with a bunch of fired up evangelists and people of God here in the room with us today. We’re excited about the launch of the global evangelist Alliance and this new era of evangelism that God is launching us into all around the world. I’m here today with our host evangelist, Nathan Morris, Nathan, why don’t you tell me a little bit about what God’s been saying to you about this new era of evangelism?

Speaker 9 (13:58):
You know, I believe this is potentially an historic day. You know, this began over three years ago and power 21 invited evangelists from across the nations of the world to join Johannesburg, South Africa. It was there that God began to birth this vision that we could see a network. We could see an army of evangelists arise. That’s why we believe the holy spirit is speaking to us. He’s speaking to you right now that this is the Dawn of a new era. I believe multitudes from around the world are gonna hear this call today that there is a fresh harvest of souls that is about to sweep the of the world. You know, as we met also in Dubai, also in Columbia, we felt the stirring of the holy spirit to give this Clarion call today that we, we are about to see a movement. This is not an organization.

Speaker 9 (14:50):
This is, imagine me, imagine just for a moment that there is a network available, a platform, a stage that we can join with you around the world. Imagine if you have a dream to see your city shaken with the gospel of Jesus Christ, we’re gonna provide the, the platform, the network that you can join with evangelists in your region. You can dream together that every single year we’re gonna meet together. Imagine a moment when an army that we can literally converge on a nation on a city evangelists from around the world without agendas, without our ministry titles coming together with one accord, to see God move and shake nations. In these last days, my heart is stirred. I know evangelists around the world. We are stirred because we believe this is not a man idea. This is something that God is birthing by his spirit. You know, we’ve just come out a season of great darkness. That’s right. The nations have been locked down, but I remember the scripture that Paul said to Timothy. He said, I am in chains. I’m locked down. But he said, the word of God is not chain that’s right. And we’re coming out of this lockdown. It won’t be just whimpering and scampering nor we’re coming out as an mighty army to reap this end time harvest in Jesus mighty name, man,

Speaker 8 (16:02):
I’m fired up. I don’t know about you watching at home today, but if your spirit is stirred, like my spirit is stirred. I want to challenge and encourage you connect with GE, go to join ge.org, sign up. Let’s be a part of this. Let’s work together, collaborate together. We believe that God is going to help us reach every person on planet earth by 2033. Yes. And we need your help to do it. So if you’re wondering, man, what is this all about? How can I get more info about this? We want to take a moment and have some of the members of the GE executive team evangelists from all over the world, share with you. So we’ve got a video we’re gonna show you quick. And then we’ll be right back here in the studio with some of other evangelists here, live talking to them about what God is doing in their life and ministry. Okay.

Speaker 10 (17:06):
Imagine a worldwide network of

Speaker 11 (17:09):
Hundreds, of thousands of men in women,

Speaker 12 (17:13):
Young and old of every race, nationality, language United

Speaker 13 (17:17):
In one goal, winning the world for chases.

Speaker 14 (17:20):
Imagine being able to find people just like you,

Speaker 15 (17:23):
Who are passionate about evangelism from all over the world. Imagine being able to lean with them quickly and ease.

Speaker 16 (17:32):
Imagine being able to work together with them

Caleb Wehrli (17:35):
For exponentially greater gospel impact.

Speaker 16 (17:38):
Imagine having an ongoing source of community collaboration and equipping for evangelism.

Speaker 17 (17:45):
Imagine that all of this was real, totally free and that you can be a part of it.

Speaker 18 (17:51):
Well, it is through the global evangelistic Alliance and it’s just one click away.

Speaker 19 (17:56):
The global evangelist Alliance is a part of empower 21, which was established by hundreds of the most influential spirit empowered leaders in the world. Today.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
The purpose of empowerment, 21 is that every person on earth would have an authentic encounter with Jesus Christ through the power and the presence of the holy spirit by Pentecost 2033

Speaker 20 (18:24):
In 2018, there was a historic gathering in Johannesburg. South Africa were many top influencers in evangelism from around the world, gathered to unite around the vision of empowered 21.

Speaker 12 (18:37):
They all laid their swords on the table. They agreed to leave their egos and logos at the door and to help spark a worldwide movement of evangelism. That’d be greater than the sum of any of its parts,

Caleb Wehrli (18:50):
But the global evangelist Alliance is not them. It’s not about us. It’s about you.

Speaker 21 (18:56):
It’s about a place where hundreds of thousands of individual evangelists from around the world can find one another work together, be encouraged and equipped. We have been working behind the scenes to build a firm for you. And now it’s ready.

Speaker 9 (19:12):
You don’t need a big ministry or a big name. All you need is a passion to reach the world for Jesus.

Speaker 18 (19:18):
If this is your desire, your passion, you can join the global evangelist Alliance and apply to become a member@globalevangelistalliance.com. You

Speaker 22 (19:31):
Can also call us on social media and download the app to stay connected.

Speaker 23 (19:36):
We look forward to working with you to win the world for Jesus.

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Speaker 8 (19:49):
Hey, welcome back to our studio here in Orlando. I’m Ashley Wilson. Again, excited to be here on the stage. Of course, we’ve got evangelist Nathan Morris with us, but we’ve also got a couple other members of our GE executive board here in the room with us. We’ve got evangelist, Levi, Lutz, and evangelist, Rubens Kuya with us today excited to have them here. And so guys, I want you guys to have a moment to share with the audience that’s watching and talk a little bit about what God is stirring in your spirit around this vision of GE and reaching every person on earth. Rubens. Why don’t you tell us what the Lord’s saying to you?

Speaker 24 (20:24):
Oh, really excited. I

Speaker 11 (20:27):
Believe there is a new season. I believe there is a new season of evangelism is starting right now. You know, God works with his people through seasons of opportunities. And I believe there is a new season of opportunity in the area of evangelism that is starting right now. As Nathan said earlier, this is not just an organization, an institution. This is a holy spirit movement. This is an opportunity we must grasp and reach the world for Jesus. This is a chance we are having, this is our time, our generation and we must go for it.

Speaker 8 (21:05):
Awesome. Awesome. So Levi’s here with us as well. Levi is a firepower guy for the holy spirit. He was drinking a red bull this morning, too. So, so he’s fired up today. Levi, tell us a little bit about what God is stirring in your heart. I know you have an evangelistic ministry and you also head up boot camps for evangelists sending evangelists out all over the world in some tough situations, but seeing God do incredible things. So talk to me about what God’s saying to you.

Speaker 19 (21:35):
Actually, this is like a dream come true for evangelists because we’re not talking about some distant day of vision. Something we hope comes to pass. We’re talking about a reality. Yeah, that is, that is upon us where the day days of the lone ranger, evangelists, you know, living some life by yourself, calling pastors, trying to book meetings are done and instead Evangel strategically mobilized it. You know, something pops off in the world. Some you know, just a Mon event and people are hurting. They can strategically collaborate. We’re gonna target that area with the gospel mobile and come in and just send a shock wave of the holy spirit, power of God. These are the days we’re about to be living in. And that’s what this launch of the GA is all about.

Speaker 8 (22:18):
You know, I’m so excited about that as I’ve prayed about the GA and what God is doing in this season, you know, I, what my sense and what I think the Lord tells us in the word is things are gonna get tougher in the world. Not easier. You know, Jesus talked about famines and plagues and wars and rumors of war. We’re seeing that if you’re watching the news right now happening all across the world and even in Europe. But I, I, I agree with you that I think the platform, the Lord is building that we want everyone who’s watching to be a part of, of is gonna give us the opportunity to counter attack the enemy and punch him right in the face. When he, I love it rises up with evil. We’re gonna come in like a flood with the holy spirit and God is gonna take what the enemy intended for evil and turn it on its head. And we’re gonna see a harvest. Like we have never seen. I believe that everyone is gonna be touched by the power of the holy spirit and have the opportunity to know Jesus, but we gotta get our act together. And so that’s what the GE is all about. Nathan, what do you think?

Speaker 9 (23:22):
You know, I’ve been waiting for this day, really, since I came to Christ, you know, when I got saved, the Lord showed me a vision and I saw in one night I saw whole nation shaken. And I, I, I saw stadiums all over the nation, just evangelists ascending into that place. And, and I saw a nation tremble and I said, Lord, how can this happen? What I’m seeing right now, when I sat around those tables with evangelists from around the world, the we came and said, holy spirit, what does an end time harvest look like? And the first thing we heard was need to come together. Yeah. With one heart. And I, I need people to hear this from our heart evangelists around the world. You’re gonna hear from major ministries today. In the past year, we had great evangelists, Billy Grahams, Reinhardt, bunks, TL Osbornes they were generals of the faith, but this is the end time harvest.

Speaker 9 (24:20):
Won’t be about one man stood on one pulp. It will be about an army of believers. Yeah, we can’t. This is not even about evangelistic ministries. This is about the body of Christ. If you have a heart that is burning to preach the gospel, come join us. We’re waiting for you. We’re ready that we’re gonna, we’re about to make some announcements today that are gonna be historic. This is not some distant thing. We’re we are about to converge inters and see them shaken for the glory of God. In one night, nations are gonna be shaken. That’s right in Jesus mighty that’s

Speaker 8 (24:55):
Right. I believe it. If you’re at home watching and your, your heart is stirred, you say, man, I gotta be a part of this. I want to join with the army that God is putting together. Again, go to join ge.org. You can sign up there. It’s free. We want you to be a part of this. And we’re gonna talk more in just a little bit about some of the benefits of doing that and how we’re gonna practically put this thing together so that we can reach people all over the world with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Guys. Why don’t you tell me a little bit about what you’re seeing God in your personal ministry. I know Rubens does a lot of ministry in Brazil. He’s also been doing crusades and towns across the United States. He was in my hometown of Tulsa, Oklahoma. Last summer saw miracles, demons cast out right there in downtown Tulsa, Oklahoma. It was awesome. Rubens, tell us a little bit about what God’s doing.

Speaker 11 (25:44):
Yeah. I believe God is really open up hearts during this season for the end time harvest. I’ve been in ministry for close to 30 years, and I am realizing I’m seeing openness in people’s hearts that I haven’t seen before. The miracles are increasing. The hunger for Jesus is increasing many times. I heard people saying, Hey, you’ve been preaching around the world in Africa and south America. And you see those miracles. Why don’t we see those miracles here in America? Well, we are seeing them. Yeah. We had a campaign in Tulsa, Oklahoma, another one in St. Cloud, Minnesota. And we saw blind eyes open. The deaf are hearing the labor walking demons being test out. It is revival time.

Speaker 11 (26:27):
And the through GE one thing that really amazes me is that we will be able to work together as evangelists. We will be able to come together to share the experiences we had to share the anointing from the anointing we have received from the Lord. And, and this is vital because I believe collaboration is at the very heart. Yeah. Of the great commission. Yeah. If you see in mark chapter 16, verse 20, the Bible says that the disciples, when everywhere preaching the gospel and Jesus worked with them. Yeah. Confirming the message with signs and wonders. Yeah. So listen to that. As, as the disciples went out, collaborating with one another, Jesus collaborated with them. Yes. For a harvest of soul and miracles. And I believe with all my heart that through GE evangelist will enter a level of collaboration that is unprecedented. Yeah. And we will see an unprecedented harvest of souls and miracles.

Speaker 8 (27:31):
Amen. I

Speaker 11 (27:31):
Believe that’s this season.

Speaker 8 (27:33):
Amen. Levi, tell us a little bit, what is God doing? What are you

Speaker 19 (27:36):
Seeing? Amen. Ashley, I’ll tell you exactly what I’m seeing. And, and Nathan and I talked about this as a few weeks ago on a broadcast. I’m seeing a divide right down the middle, across the world of those who want an excuse and to say, things are locked down and those who want harvest, but people can’t have both ways. Okay. And so whether it’s through together in the harvest and what we’re doing, you know, igniting churches with revival, fire, mobilizing believers to go out are the Christ for all nations boot camp, raising up evangels. Those who wanna see soul save. There’s not a lockdown. There’s not a hindrance that can stop them. And I say that for you, that are hearing this invitation right now to join the GA, to be part of this, you can sit at home and have another excuse. You can say, well, that’s something I really want to do.

Speaker 19 (28:18):
That makes me burn. But the time is not right. There’s this hindrance or that hindrance, or you can say, Jesus now is the season. The time is short. I want to be part of this in time harvest. And if you want that, my friend, Ashley, people that want that, I’ve seen God pour out the presence of God. People are coming to salvation. We look at these lockdowns and things that have happened as a hindrance, man, this is one of the greatest things that’s ever happened because people have had to face themself. They realize all the things I’ve trusted in sand. I need something that will be a rock and an anchor Jesus. And his name is Jesus Christ. Amen.

Speaker 8 (28:53):
Amen. Well, if you’re burning, like my friend is here, then I want you to sign up again, go to join ge.org and sign up and join with us. We’re gonna see God do some amazing things right in the I’m very excited to let you know that we’re getting ready to see a video from our global evangelist Alliance. Co-Chair Daniel Kalinda head of Christ for all nations. He’s joining us by video today. And so after Daniel, we’re gonna hear from another group of our executive committee members. They’re gonna be sharing with you while they’re so excited about what God is doing with the GE,

Speaker 14 (29:35):
Hey, everybody, Daniel calend here. And I am so excited because guys today is a really exciting day. This is almost three years in the making. Now we have been working behind the scenes and preparing for you the launch of the global evangelist Alliance, which I believe God is gonna use to see one of the greatest harvest of souls, maybe the greatest movement in evangelism, in history as being launched right now. And we’re inviting you to be a part of it. And you know, we’ve already seen so many of the top generals of evangelism in the world coming together, locking their shields together, combining their efforts and their voices to prepare this platform, not for them, but for you. Ordinary believers spread all over the world that have a passion and a desire to see their cities and their nations. One for Jesus. I believe this is the finest hour for evangelism in the history of the world.

Speaker 14 (30:31):
Now you might say, Daniel, what is the global evangelist Alliance all about? Well, dream with me for a moment. Imagine having the ability to connect quickly and easily with evangelists from all over the world, to collaborate with them, to reach different places like, like we are actually working to have right now, local representation in every city on the planet. That means any place that you have a burden for any place where you want to be able to minister any place. God is calling you to, you are gonna have friends and co leagues and collaborators in that place. Also, we’re making all kinds of amazing ongoing training available for you. And we’re preparing opportunities for you to synergize and collaborate with other evangelists. Like for example, our yearly Congress that we’re offering to our members. It is a community that is literally spread around the world with men and women like you and me that have a heart for evangelism, fathers, and mothers in the faith and millions of ordinary believers that have a burden to reach the world for Jesus. If this sounds like something that you want to be a part of, then I want to encourage you to join the global evangelist Alliance today. I hope that I get to meet you very soon at one of our events, and we’re gonna see Jesus go horrified in the nations. The harvest brought in and the return of Christ ushered in, in our generation. Love you guys. God bless you.

Speaker 21 (31:50):
Hi, Kevin Pau here, president of the Louis Pau association here in Portland, Oregon. I’m so excited to be part of the global evangelist Alliance and to see this dream fulfilled of thousands of evangelists from all parts of the world, world, working together to fulfill the great commission.

Speaker 13 (32:06):
What I love about getting together with all of the people with GE is finding out what is going on in the world. We have to connect. We have to be a part of what is happening with everybody else, encouraging everyone else to win this lost world Jesus. And when we get that heartbeat of God, we cannot help, but tell this world how much Jesus loved them and died for them.

Speaker 25 (32:34):
It’s a new era of evangelism. And in order for us to reach everyone everywhere, we have to lay aside our logos and our egos and focus really on the importance of sharing the good news of Jesus Christ for those in great need.

Speaker 15 (32:47):
God has raised GE as a place for us to be, if you are an evangelist, join us in GE a place where you’ll be trained coed. We will strategize together. We’ll plan together, how to reach this cogniti and the rest of the world for Jesus Christ.

Speaker 10 (33:06):
The GA offers so much, there is training online. There’s hands on experience. There’s opportunity for you to get connected with other evangelists. You know, there’s something that happens when you’re connected to people are passionate about seeing the loss save and making disciples. When you are a part of this, you’re a part of a community. And I wanna encourage you to get connected. Let’s reach the loss together. It’s harvest time.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
Well, we’re back here in our studio and I’m super excited to be with two very good friends of mine. Siegfried Thomas Shefsky and Dr. Daniel King, you know, one of the things, any good fisherman will tell you is that if you have a hole in the net, it doesn’t matter how many fish you catch. They’re gonna swim right on out. And so one of the things that we have to do, I believe if we’re gonna reach every person on earth for Jesus, we’ve gotta have some really strong nets. That means we’ve gotta have some, some things in place that help people become better at reaching their friends and family and neighbors and reaching the lost for Jesus. And so we’re here today with Siegfried. He is our director of the global evangelist Alliance. He is helping us put all of this together behind the scenes. And we’re gonna have him talk for just a moment about some of the great things that you get to experience when you join GE. So Siegfried, why don’t you tell us a little bit about some of the benefits of being a part of the global evangelist Alliance?

Speaker 26 (34:37):
Yes. First of all, let me tell you for an evangelist, it’s the hardest to sit on this chair and talk about GE that’s right, because I believe GE is the culmination of my own life and ministry. I’ve been traveling around the world over 90 countries. But what I see here happening today is just mind blowing reason. Number one we have been traveling throughout the world. We have the target groups north Africa. Now this year, may we are having 20,000 evangelists going out in all over the continent of Africa. But with GE, we are connecting evangelists from every country, every nation, every city of the globe. And, and I, I don’t know but about you, but I’m for the first time we are standing together. You’re talking about the net and I, I see not only one net right now, there are so many nets all over the world, but it seems to me like the holy spirit is noting all, or kniting all those nets together to one major network. And this is just, just something that I’ve never even dreamed about. It’s not about anymore about denomination. We have seen Louis Palao African enterprise. It’s not about denomination. It’s about salvation.

Speaker 8 (35:55):
That’s right. That’s not about denomination, but about salvation. So one of the things I’m super excited about, I’m a bit of a, a techy kind of nerd guy. Sometimes when you’re part of GE, you’re going to be able to go in and actually see where the evangelists are located all over the world. So if you want to go do ministry in E Ethiopia, you’ll be able to connect with people who are already on the ground there in Ethiopia doing ministry and collaborate with them. Is that right? Yes.

Speaker 26 (36:24):
Yes, exactly. You know, in the previous years, people called me, said, I just come back from this city. We had a groove, wonderful crusade. Two weeks later, somebody else called me, pray for me. We are going to that same city. I said, that’s wonderful. Why don’t you talk to one another? And, and what I see here today, number one, every member of the global evangelist Alliance puts in all his details, his information. So we know exactly where the evangelist is located. Number two, they put in their crusades, their campaigns, their school events, them marketplace outreaches, every event that you, as an evangelist are having you put in there. And we have a global map so everyone can see what’s going on. Where at, when, what a time. So we can sit together. Not only that we see what’s happening, but here comes the most important point to me. Now, for the first time we see areas, what I call white areas, where nothing is happening. We can strategize sit together. We are connecting with the largest prayer movements in the world with the unreached people, groups, with the church apostolic networks, with the church planting networks. So the evangelistic network is kind of gearing and steering it. And we go into areas and we see and cover those areas. You sat in the beginning, beginning that by the year 2033, every city will have a responsible evangelist covering every city in every place.

Speaker 8 (37:48):
That’s an awesome vision. I believe that could happen, but in order for that to happen, we need you to sign up. So go to join ge.org. One of the other things I’m excited about with the GE is the training that’s available to you. When you join GE, we have Dr. Daniel King with us. Dan Daniel is a, a powerful evangelist, but he’s also a scholar a, a, a man of, of books and learning. And so he’s developed a GA masterclass that he wants to tell us about.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (38:15):
Yeah. He graduated from oral Roberts university where your father is the president’s there. Yep. And such an instrumental part in helping to put the GE together. I think that the evangelism masterclass is one of the biggest benefits of joining the GE. When I was a young evangelist, I, I, I first wanted to learn about evangelism and I started looking for resources on, on how to be an effective evangelist. And I, I didn’t find anything that I could really learn from. And I spent thousands and thousands of dollars traveling to different parts of the world to meet with evangelists and just sit with them for a few minutes and ask them some questions. And I realized that people that want to be evangelists, they wanna be used by God to lead people to Jesus. They, they needed the resources to help them to become effective at sharing their faith with others.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:10):
Yeah. And so we took some of the greatest evangelists in the world today, put them in a studio and they recorded all of their wisdom, their mentorship, their holy spirit impartation. It comes through the camera and we put it together into an evangelism masterclass. And we actually have two classes. One is a class for every believer to learn how, how to share their faith with others. And then we have a specialized class for those who are called to the office of the evangelist. And so if you’ll go to join ge.org today, once you join, you gain access to those evangelism master classes and, and listen to some of the teachers that we have. We have Daniel Kalinda, the successor of Reinhard bunker. We have Nathan Morris, we’re sitting here in his studio. He’s full of the holy spirit. We’ve got Todd white, Michael cuanas. We’ve got Nick hall, Kevin Pau, Andrew Pau, Jerry Hill, Donna Schach and a bunch of other great evangelists who are full of holy spirit fire. And so as you watch the evangelism masterclass, you are going to receive mentorship from these great evangelists. You’re gonna receive the impartation of the holy spirit, and it will be a blessing to you. And, and so if you wanna partake in those classes, go to join ge.org today and be a part of what God is doing.

Speaker 8 (40:39):
Yeah, man, that’s so exciting. Again, if you’re there sitting on your couch, I can remember being a young man stirred to reach people for Jesus. I would’ve loved to have had something like this at my disposal right there. So go to join ga.org, sign up, and you can get access to these evangelism master classes, to a wealth of mentorship, knowledge and importation that you’re not gonna get anywhere else. Well, we’re privileged today to having the studio with us a great worship leader, Eddie James. He leads worship in crusades, huge crusades in Africa. Yeah, go ahead. Give him a head. He leads, worship a huge crusades in Africa, churches all over the world. And he’s here today to lead us in a moment of worship. As we experience the presence of God together, take it away. Eddie,

Speaker 27 (41:27):
Come on, put your hands together. If you are in love with Jesus, the name of Jesus is lifted high all over the earth. Come on, let’s have some holy ghost Tre for a moment. Put your hands together. Also stirred, come on. The name of Jesus is lifted. High lifted, high lifted high. The name of Jesus is a lifted high.

Speaker 7 (41:54):
The name of

Speaker 27 (41:59):
Lift the name

Speaker 7 (42:02):
OFS, The name of Jesus

Speaker 27 (42:22):
In town.

Speaker 7 (42:41):
Now’s coming

Speaker 27 (42:47):
Now That your sons and daughters shall be safe, shall be safe, shall be safe. Your son and daughters shall be safe.

Speaker 7 (43:10):
Sons and daughters shall be safe, shall be safe, shall be safe. Say sons and daughter shall be safe. Say your sons and daughter shall be safe, shall be safe. Shall be safe. Son shall be safe.

Speaker 27 (43:34):
Come on and to celebrate, lift up your voice. We worship you. Jesus. We magnify your

Speaker 7 (43:41):
Name. We give you praise. Go

Speaker 27 (43:45):
To this with me

Speaker 7 (44:09):
And, And Listen, I

Speaker 27 (44:25):
Hear the sound of an army. I hear the sound of an army

Speaker 7 (44:33):
Army, the, of an army of anybody, your hands off arising warriors come

Evangelism Podcast Host (45:23):

Speaker 7 (45:34):
Name of high. The name the To,

Evangelism Podcast Host (46:34):
I love the gospel of Jesus Christ, the message of the cross and the blood forgiveness, and a second chance. And we need to get it out there and we need to finish the great commission of Jesus Christ, right? Reaching the unreached people, groups, and the towns and cities that I’ve never heard. And we need a platform somewhere to collaborate, find partnership you know, find others to join hands with and pray together with. And I got good news for you. It’s there. It’s called GE a global evangelistic Alliance. You need to join us. This is a global platform where evangelists from all over the world are coming together. Let let’s finish the great commission together. Let’s preach the good news to every tribe and every nation. And I wanna see you at GEA,

Speaker 19 (47:22):
The power of agreement, who you move in relationship with determines the harvest that is coming. These are men and women. There are no small plans here. It is literally unlocking the power of God that every human being on this planet will hear the truth of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 25 (47:41):
All of us as evangelists need encouragement. We need to find around the world where people who have a like mind for the gospel are and how we can strengthen each other. How we can learn from each other’s graces. It’s gonna become a global community with one thing in mind, show the world, Jesus. It will be so glorious to be part of this because we will see so much of what God is doing in a bigger picture and how we can work together and find the best strategy to reach the world for Jesus. In this hour, we fully believe in you. We believe in your calling across the globe. We believe in what God has given to you. And we just want to champion that and encourage you. So we invite you, please come join, bring your fire. And let’s make this a historic event, not just an event that happens, but one that has a ripple effect across the nations, that more people would hear about Jesus, both in church and out of church, that we would equip the family of to live a naturally supernatural life for the gospel.

Speaker 28 (48:33):
We are a team of red hot spiritful evangelists intent on plundering hell and populating heaven become part of the family today.

Speaker 29 (48:43):
I believe that the gospel of Jesus is the greatest message on earth. He died on a cross out of lavender on the let’s reach the world with a gospel you’re evangels, join this movement, join GE and let’s stand together. Unless everybody has heard that Jesus is alive.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (49:09):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast. I am excited about telling people about Jesus and we could not preach the gospel without your help. Over our years of ministry, we found that we’re able to reach one person for Jesus, for every dollar that people give us. And so that means that you would give us $1. We could start a party in heaven. In fact, I’m asking people to join our partnership program and give at least $1 every single month to help us to lead more people to Jesus. This is the greatest investment of your dollar that you can make is the only investment that’s gonna matter 10,000 years from now. So if you would like to help us lead people to Jesus, please visit king ministries.com K I N G king ministries.com and help us lead people to Jesus today. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (50:11):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.


Jim Burkett | Apologetics on Fire

Dr. Jim Burkett is an apologist on fire for Jesus. On today’s program we talk about the intersection between apologetics and evangelism. You will learn why apologetics is so important and you will learn some practical ways you can defend your faith.

Learn more about James Burkett and Apologetics on Fire: https://apologeticsonfire.com/


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Dr. Jim Burkett is an apologist on fire for Jesus on today’s program. We’re gonna be talking about the intersection between apologetics and evangelism. You’re going to learn why apologetics is so important. And you’re also going to learn some practical ways that you can defend your faith.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:25):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Danielle King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:00):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest, Dr. Jim Burkette. He is an expert in apologetics brother, Jim, thank you for being with me today.

Dr. Jim Burkett (01:18):
Well thank you for having me, and it’s very exciting to be with you and gosh, all the great things that God has and is doing through you and your family. And God’s using you to ignite a, a spiritual chain reaction through so many parts of the world. And I praise God for that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:34):
Now I’ve had the opportunity to go to several of your meetings here in the Tulsa area at different churches, where you were talking about apologetics, and you are really passionate about equipping the body of Christ to defend their faith through the use of apologetics. Why is apologetics so important to you?

Dr. Jim Burkett (01:58):
That’s a great question. You know, I receive the Lord Jesus watching Billy Gray am on TV back in the ninth grade, and didn’t grow up in a Christian family. And eventually the Lord called me into the ministry when I was a senior in high school, went to our denominational university. And my junior year, I just about lost my faith in a Christian university. And it got to the point where I’m, I’m preaching almost every weekend in a revival, but gosh, I thought if have all these doubts. So I prayed the agnostics prayer, which basically is, I don’t know if God, if you’re really there or, or if I’m am I speaking to air. So I really said, God, if you’re there, I need an intellectual stake, something that is immovable and meant that if I didn’t get any answers by the end of the semester, well, I’m changing universities.

Dr. Jim Burkett (02:49):
I’m changing my major. So two nights later to ask God to gimme an intellectual stake, two nights later, I’m at our university library. Why am I at the university library? Cuz I had a term paper due the next morning and I thought I should start on it. I had the gift of procrastination, some have said, but as I was going through the periodical section, I see this magazine called Christianity today. And as I stopped looked at it, I was stunned to see that the lead article was the historical evidence for the resurrection Jesus Christ ice. And I thought this is probably written by a pastor or a missionary or a theologian. I was stunned to find out that it was written by the, the Dean of the law college at the university of London, who was also the director for advanced legal studies and considered one of the world’s leading authorities on evidence.

Dr. Jim Burkett (03:36):
Then I found out it was not even an article. It was a trans of an address he gave to the Harvard Christian university fellowship. And I was stunned because Dr. Anderson basically says, I’m gonna act like an attorney and we’re just gonna follow the evidence where it goes. We’re gonna look at the betrayal, the trial the crucifixion and the purported resurrection, Jesus Christ. So all of a sudden he’s quoting this scholar and he’s quoting up that philosopher, he’s quoting this historian, then I’m going, why haven’t I heard about this in my own class, in my own courses, I’m a theology major, never heard of any of this. And the next last paragraph, he basically said this, the only conclusion we could come to on the basis of the evidence is that somehow some way Jesus of Nazareth came back from the dead in history.

Dr. Jim Burkett (04:22):
And that’s when I heard that sh that, that, that intellectual stake. So I tell people, I met the Lord when I was 14, but apologetic saved my faith when I was 21. So that’s why I have such a passion because I’m finding out the great majority of Christians Lisa ones, I come in contact with if you ask ’em, why are you a Christian? Many times they trace it back to their family, or they trace it back to you know, certain relationships, but most do not give a rational reason why they put their trust in Jesus Christ. And yet Jesus used the first 40 days of his post resurrection, pre Pentecostal ministry doing apologetics and giving rational reasons and, and demonstrating

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:12):
Giving convincing proofs that he really was alive.

Dr. Jim Burkett (05:15):
And that word convincing proofs don’t mean to interrupt you here in the Greek is tech Maria, which always means when it’s used, whether it’s in the Bible or other Greek sources, it means what’s being shared, being reported. What’s being demonstrated can be factually seen or factually seen to be absolute factual and true. So what Jesus do for 40 days, I say he did apologetics, which of course impact the disciples. I tell my classes, Hey, was it, was it the faith of the disciples that produced the resurrection of Jesus? Or was it the resurrection of Jesus that produced the faith in the disciples?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:54):
I am first in evangelist and then have a curiosity in apologetics. My, my calling is to, to bring people to Jesus and, and in a quest to do that, I recently wrote a book called proof. God is real. And this came out of a church. I was ministering at, in Missouri. A mother came up to me and she was crying. She says, could you please pray for my son? And I thought maybe her son was sick or something. And so I said, what does he need prayer for? And she said, he’s grew up in church. He served God his whole life, but he got a whole of some atheist books. And now he says, he’s an atheist. And he has rejected all the story of Jonah and David and Goliath that he learned in Sunday school as a kid, she said, could you please pray for him?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:43):
So I grabbed her by the hand, we prayed for him. And then I said, give me his phone number. And I called him the next day. And we talked for a while and he had lots of, of questions and objections to Christianity. And to be honest, I didn’t know how to answer all the questions. So I, I started to study the, the works of, of great apologi and look for the answers. And out of that study came this book prove God is real. And in this book, I give the reasons why I believe that God really is real, that we can prove that God is real, beyond a reasonable, bold out. He is alive. He lives today. And so, as I was setting this, I, I came across your lectures on, on several occasions and learned a lot from you. But I, I, I found that, I think that apologetics is really vital to the process of evangelism. What do you think is the, the connection between evangelism and apologetics? Why, why are both important?

Dr. Jim Burkett (07:49):
Kind of a prelude to that? I tell, I tell whether it’s in a workshop or whether it’s in a class or whether it’s apologetics revival, I tell them there are four question that every Christian needs to be able to answer in the affirmative because he knows it’s factually true. Number one, does truth exist as objective truth exists. This is such a serious issue in our culture as you well know, because the the word of the year for the Oxford university dictionary in 2016 was, was P host truth basically means coming to conclusions on the basis of emotional impressions. So I tell them that Hey, if you don’t believe in objective truth, you can’t do science. You can’t do engineering, you can’t do technology. And so forth. Number two does God exist. And I, as I just happen to notice, and then there’s so many works out.

Dr. Jim Burkett (08:37):
Now, the, the confirmation of God’s exists since is literally overwhelming. And so that’s why I appreciate pastoring 34 years in university communities and, and having grad students and professors and so forth. Matter of fact one of my friends when I pastored in Athens, Georgia, our church was across street from university of Georgia. He, his special was quantum chemistry, which I had no idea what that was. And but I found out he was a devoted Christian. I looked at him and said Dr. Shaffer, tell me, how is it you as one of the great intellects of the world? How did you, how did you come to God? And, and he started laughing, says, well, God has a sense of self has a sense of humor. I said I thought, gosh, did I hear the wrong thing?

Dr. Jim Burkett (09:21):
And he said well, when I was on the, on the faculty at Berkeley, California, that stunned me, Berkeley is not oral Roberts university or John Brown university, long story short. He said I kept bumping into some of my colleagues. They were some of the best in their discipline, but they were also committed Christian. So I would ask them how’s this. So how, how, how, how did you mess this together from that standpoint? And they all looked at me and they said their discipline showed them. First of all, that Darwinian evolution cannot be scientifically supported. It just doesn’t happen. But number two, they challenge to me go and disprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ. And Shaefer said, so I thought, well, that’ll be easy. I’m very analytical and so forth. Long story short Shaefer said he spent two years. He, he looked at every possible way. And finally he came to the realization. He said it was not just, I was not just convinced. I was compelled intellectually to lies somehow some way Jesus, as Evangel came back from the dead and then he started laughing and he said, you know, Jim, anytime a dead man comes back from the dead. He kind of puts him in a class by himself. So,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:28):
And you should probably listen to what he has to say.

Dr. Jim Burkett (10:30):
So the third question is do miracles happen? And of course oh my goodness industry is a living demonstration of this and, and other people. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:40):
We’ve seen God do many great miracles. Oh, all over the world.

Dr. Jim Burkett (10:44):
And then the fourth question I said is the Bible historically reliable? So I, I tell folks when you answer these four questions, one of the things that will happen, you’ll see the first result is that all of a sudden ignite something in you, excuse me, you begin to realize, oh my goodness this is true. Christianity is fact a factual faith. The second result of apologetics is it will build, it will provide you a bridge to non-Christian to answer the questions. Many of people, they, they have such misrepresentations in their mind about the de to Christ and the Bible, and so and so forth. And then third apologetics impacts culture. Now, how does that relate to evangelism? Oh my goodness. Wanna tell you a quick story. Professor Dr. Gentry, when I was working on the faculty with a a school in Bartlesville he came and he was speaking at to the to the professors.

Dr. Jim Burkett (11:46):
And he said, now I had a class in a small college in Kansas. And everyone in the class were ministry majors and they were going into the ministry. So I took a survey and the class was of evangelism and Christian apologetics. So I took a survey the first day, and I wanted to find out how many of you are actively sharing your faith. Second question is, if you’re not sharing your faith, why not? He was stunned to find out well over or 90%, 95% were not sharing their faith on a regular basis. Second question, why not? If you’re not. And he was stunned because the great majority of ’em said, I’m afraid somebody who asked me a question that I don’t have the answer. And, and number two, I’m not sure Christianity is true. So the next 16 weeks he focused on apologetics.

Dr. Jim Burkett (12:35):
He said, I, he said, I could see a very perceptible change in attitude in heart. And he said, by the end of the semester, I gave the same survey. Now, instead of 95% saying, I don’t share my faith, or I don’t know if Christianity’s true. He said, it was just like it reversed. Now they were sharing their faith on a reg their basis. Now they believe that Christianity was true based on the facts. And then six weeks later, he asked a follow up. He had a follow up survey. They were not just stagnant. They were continuing to grow in the Lord because when you know, that’s true, you really, it really hits you in your mind and your heart that lends right into evangelism you. And that’s why I tell folks if you are involved in a, an apologetics methodology that just tries to make you an intellectual egghead and it doesn’t flow into practical theology, evangelism, discipleship, and so forth. Then you look in the Bible and you just don’t see that kind of connection. Apologetics always brings you to the play where you’re ready to proclaim and minister. I hope that makes sense. What I said.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:39):
Yeah. Another really important use of apologetics is preparing young people to defend their faith. Oh, yes. I think sometimes young people, they, they, they grow up in the church and, and they believe the by Bible cuz their parents told them to believe the Bible, but then they go to college in the first philosophy professor that they run into or, or atheist that they run into manages to convince them that you’re an idiot if you believe the Bible. Yeah. And, and we need to prepare people, really inoculate them again. This attack of the devil that comes after people’s minds. Yes. And so by using apologetics and training apologetics during the teenage years, we can prepare young people to go out into the world and defend their faith and, and live for Christ.

Dr. Jim Burkett (14:34):
Amen. Matter of fact, you touched on two points. One is you’re absolutely right. I’m sure you’ve seen some of the surveys. I think I’ve looked at least 30, which basically they wanted to find out why were quote unquote Christian Church kids leaving the faith, the great majority of them. And so they were saying, and the average percentage was 75%, some as high as 80, 85%. Even one survey by the director for America’s research group. He, he was shocked because they wanted to find out why were they leaving the Christian faith? They got the normal answers, but they were shocked by when they were leaving in their heart and mind. He said 45% of church kids between the ages of 12 and 14. They start leaving the Christian faith by the time they reach the ninth grade and then the another 45% by the time they’re seniors.

Dr. Jim Burkett (15:29):
But on the other hand, as, as that stat is, I was sharing with a bunch of with a group of youth pastors. I was sharing these stats and you could just, you know, you could see ’em slouching down. What are we ever gonna do? Yeah. So I said, would you like to hear some good news and two or three of ’em said yes, please, please. And so I said, couple of surveys have come out. And it’s very interesting. The, this one survey in particular said if pastors and church leaders actually understand, and they are mentally grip with the realization, we’re not in a spiritual war because that’s what we’re supposed to say. They see it, they see it in our culture. They see what our kids are being bombarded by. They see it with the announcements, they see that it’s no longer a political issue. This is a spiritual warfare between, you know, evil and righteousness. And, and then those leaders take the steps to equip their young people. Keyword equip their young people logically through a biblical worldview based on the facts of apologetics 90% plus will go on with God. Oh my goodness. I’m thinking

Speaker 5 (16:45):
That is good

Dr. Jim Burkett (16:46):
News. It, it, it is. And this is what this is. I’ll be honest with you. This is what vexes me. I, I was, I was at a conference. It was a youth evangelism conference for training. I was asked to do three breakout sessions on apologetics. And, and so they put me in this auditorium that seated 7,000 people. We didn’t have 7,000 there, but it was the largest one they could have for the conference. And so did three sessions afterwards. I I’m on this platform and I have one of the, the leaders of the conference. And I know him and we’re good friends. And, and I said, you know, every summer this auditorium is filled up with 7,000 teenager. Every summer, they’ll be close to 50,000 teenagers from our you know, our, our denominational fellowship that will come here. And you at the stats from our own publishing and research indicate 75% plus of them will leave the Christian faith. What are we doing to change that now? Here’s and I’m, I’m not complaining. I’m just explaining what grieved me was. There was no answer. And this is why apologetics is such a necessity. This is why I can’t tell you how I, how excited I am that you’re not only prepared to give an answer, but you’re prepared to equip Christian leaders to do the same. I hope that made sense. What I shared.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:08):
Thank you. Let’s talk about the Bible. How can we know that the Bible really is true and that it’s the word of God.

Dr. Jim Burkett (18:18):
That’s a great answer. Matter of fact that’s one of the key issues I really try to, to hit on. The thing I try to, to deal with first, if I’m dealing with a non-Christian, I try to bring him or her to the place of realizing that the Bible is the most reliable historical document from, from antiquity. I start there because if I begin to try to talk to them about you know, it is the word of God is, well, they they’ve been old that anyone who believes the Bible’s the word of God, their faith is like wishful thinking. So what I do is I begin to share some of the key qualities, for example, I share with them that we can say now that we have 99.9% of what the original old new Testament actually said, and why, why can we do that?

Dr. Jim Burkett (19:13):
Because we have copies, manuscript, copies, both the old and new Testament, like just the new Testament alone. I know you’ve probably heard this, but if we were to bring them together, those copies we are looking at almost 30,000 copies show oh my goodness. Th this is what, this is what the original said. Dan Wallace, who is a professor at Dallas theological seminary said if we were to go to every library, every seminary, every museum, and we were able to get the new Testament copies of the originals. And he said, if we were to actually physically them on top of one another, he said that stack would be a mile high. Now I’m, I’m stunned by that,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:58):
But that’s a phenomenal number of manuscripts. And using those manuscripts, we can establish very clearly what the original manuscripts. Oh,

Dr. Jim Burkett (20:10):
Exactly. And, and then by, by the way, we haven’t even talked about the old Testament manuscripts. And you said, you get the old Testament manuscripts put on top of the new Testament manuscripts. Now that pile is not just a mile high. Now it’s two and a half miles high. And so the, the odds are so astronomical. That’s why I really appreciate the, the statement that Dr. AE Wilder Smith made three earned doctorates great scientists to spoke seven languages he’s in heaven now, but he said the thing that that I noticed is that when Christians, or even particularly non-Christians or agnostics or atheists say, well, you really can’t trust the Bible. He said, what I’ve noticed is that those scientists, those agnostics who actually search the scripture and look for the evidences, and then they come to the realization, this is not just a ordinary book.

Dr. Jim Burkett (21:03):
And so that’s why I, I tell a lot of, of a lot of skeptics. Well, listen, let’s sit down and show me, what’s the evidences that you have. And of course, we haven’t even talked about the prophetic, oh my goodness, 2000 plus prophecies. And the old Testament, the only ones not fulfilled are the second coming of Christ and the end of the age you you’ve got the prescience statements in the Bible. UHI McMillan. He wrote a book called none of these diseases. And he basically said, listen, the hygienic and medical principles that we see in the, in the fi first five books of Moses, he said, we know that it was God who told him there there’s nothing like in, in ancient history. And he said, it took modern science in the 20th century to verify those principles are medically sound and whoever follows them will have a healthy lifestyle. So you got statements like this over and over again.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:02):
Let’s talk about objective truth. How, how do we know that there really is objective truth. This is a big issue in our society right now. I think many people in our society are, are confused about,

Dr. Jim Burkett (22:16):

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:16):
Yeah, just very basic things like what is a man or a woman? I mean, that’s a, a very contentious issue right now. And, and, and it used to be that people would say objectively well that’s, and that’s a woman based on physical characteristics. And now they’re saying, no, you can’t say that anymore. And so even that objective scientific truth that’s in the DNA has in our society become a subjective truth, that you can be any gender or no gender at all that, that you want to be. And, and so God is a God of objective truth. How can we know what is objective truth?

Dr. Jim Burkett (22:57):
Well, that is you are right. That is a most significant question. I believe it’s a question that needs to be answered before we even asked as God exists, because you know, here, heres the evidences I have that God exists and somebody will try to deconstruct that. But the thing about truth, objective truth always relates to reality. It can always be, it can always be discovered and examined. And when people ask me particularly parents, what do I say to my young people? I tell them you have one of the strongest allies besides the holy spirit and that, and, and the ally are the allies happen to be called facts. And so that’s why when I start sharing I, I, I, I start, first of all we, we ask that question then when I get, does God exist? Oh my goodness Daniel, I’m telling you, it, it amazes me.

Dr. Jim Burkett (23:59):
I mean, a new book just came out called the return of the God hypothesis by Steven Meyer. This is one of our top scholars and he talks about three three discoveries in science. He said, even agnostics and atheists has to knowledge these discoveries. And he said all of a sudden, they can’t say well, the university of eternal science won’t lap them. And when you begin to extrapolate that in other areas historically like you know, liberal archeologists used to say, you can’t trust the, the history in both the old new Testament. And then what happens here, come these archeologists with their spate. Oh my goodness. Like sir, William Ramsey he was taught that the go gospel of Luke and the book of acts cannot be trusted. So he decided he was going to further that discovery. So he was very disappointed because he wasn’t finding what he was looking for long story short when he began to look at the archeological evidence for both the gospel of Luke, as well as the book of acts.

Dr. Jim Burkett (25:04):
He said every, every place every inscription concerning Luke or ax, he found out Luke and ax were always historically accurate to the point that he said there was never any mistake. And he it’s so convinced him well, if the Bible is historically accurate, it must be accurate spiritually. And he shocked his colleagues by putting his faith in Jesus Christ. When you match that with other discoveries. Oh my goodness. Used to be by 19 1958, we had over 25,000 archeological sites and discoveries. I honestly don’t know what it is now. It has to be well over 50,000. And, and that’s why we say to, to the agnostic and atheists. Okay. You know, it was not it was not the vice president came up this phrase, we’ve heard this for years, but you’re entitled to your opinion, but you’re not entitled to your facts. And that’s why several leading archeologists, some of ’em are not even Christians, they’re Jewish, but they basically said there has never, ever please let me please hear me. There has never, ever been an archeological discovery that has contradicted the Hyster of the old or the new Testament. That’s staggering. That’s absolutely staggering.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:26):
And if the Bible can be trusted in the places where we can test it archeologically, or historically, then that means it can also be trusted in areas that we maybe haven’t discovered the evidence yet. We can know that we trust those areas. So let’s talk about the word fact. You said we have lots of facts that back up the Christian worldview, and of course, facts are very important to atheists. They, they often say, show me the evidence where where’s the evidence. Do you have evidence for God? Can you, can you touch? ’em Take and feel him weigh him in a laboratory reproduce miracles in a laboratory setting. And so they’re looking for facts. They’re looking for evidence. What are some of the facts that could lead someone who has a scientific viewpoint to the idea that there really is a God

Dr. Jim Burkett (27:20):
That’s, that’s an excellent question. By fact I share, and this is part of our equipping phase. We say the very first thing you’ve got to understand when you talk to somebody, whether it’s a Christian that has doubts or an athe agnostic, you must define your terms. You must, you must let them know you’re defining terms. That match reality. So when we talk about facts, we’re talking about those propositions or those statements, which match the reality of what’s being shared. Like you mentioned gender, you know, I think most people know there’s a difference between a male and a female. I remember a Rick Warren was asked by a TV interviewer Larry King and kind of the same question he says, well, why can’t people basically just determine who they are and, and and how can they show the difference?

Dr. Jim Burkett (28:20):
And, and now this is Rick Warren. He wasn’t trying to be obscene or anything like this, but he said, well, I think we could show you a difference where there are some facts not determined by the people he said you put a naked man and naked woman next to each other, and you see there’s a difference and it’s not based on their feelings. It’s the same way in terms of laws, pH physical loss there’s gravity, there’s all the fine tuning issues that we look at. And, and we can’t say it’s something that’s guessing. It is a fact, matter of fact the fine tuning issue. Again, it’s one of those things that’s overwhelming Daniel. I I’m telling you what I believe it’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:00):
Explain what fine tuning is. Okay.

Dr. Jim Burkett (29:03):
For example when we see a fine tuning Hugh Ross has made the comment there’s 102 variables about that we see in the universe, like if gravity was to just even 1% stronger or 1% less, the universe would not have expanded, would not have kept together. If certain elements were not completely, he balanced the way they were the same thing would happen, but he said these 122 variables. They’re so finely tuned that if, if you, if you had a universe creating machine and you took one dial, just one of the 122 variables, and you just kind of turn it maybe a half a degree, right. Or half degree left, it would collapse the entire universe or life would not be able to exist as we know it. And,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:55):
And the odds of a universe existing where human can exist are so astronomically enormous to be impossible. It just small minute changes in any one of these fine tuning elements would make it impossible for us to exist. And, and the fact that we do exist is really strong evidence that someone tuned these different elements and set everything perfectly so that we could exist. Yeah. Matter fact, it’s not by chance if it was by chance, it, it couldn’t happen.

Dr. Jim Burkett (30:33):
That’s right. Matter of fact, there was one agnostic who I don’t know if he’s come to God or Christ yet, but he, he said, every time I look at the the variables, I, he said, it’s almost like some, some superior mind has monkeyed with the with the facts or with the

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:51):
Creation this superior mind we call God.

Dr. Jim Burkett (30:53):
Yes, yes. Now there’s a, there’s a great story. When we talk about facts, here’s what I hope Christians understand and insists. You not know all the answers, but if you can, if you can put in someone’s hand kind of a, a bridge to the facts, for example, I dunno if you heard of vio Osen and he was considered the youngest medical student to ever graduate. And so when he was working as a, you know, in his research years he and his wife they weren’t accosted, but her parents became radical Christians. And so when the parents came up to where he was doing his residency they said, we really want you to go to church. We want you to stay this out. And so to just get them to, to leave them alone, they say, okay, listen, when I, when I don’t have a Sunday, I’m not working, then we will go to church.

Dr. Jim Burkett (31:49):
And, and of course, when they got together he and his wife, they thought, well, we’ll just, we’ll just look at all the atheistic classics and study that. And they were, they were shocked because nothing everything was so shallow in his thinking. And then one Sunday morning that they were at this church, this young man he’s, I think he was like a, a, a junior in college. He comes up to them and he says, Hey, doc, I’ve got this book. I don’t have time to read it, but I think you’d enjoy it. And the book was titled something like the scientific enterprise and Christianity, and they were stunned because it was a book in which each chapter had a different scientist who had a PhD in a certain field that talked about how the evidence not only showed them the existence of God, but why Jesus Christ is the son of God. And it’s so impacted their lives that not only 12 months later, did they become Christians, but God led them to be medical missionaries for 35 years in Bangladesh. And matter of fact VI Osen even has a little booklet called the agnostic air to search. And so when people say, oh, listen no, I’m not gonna believe that. I just challenge ’em and say, well, listen, just disprove it. Just, just examine. Are, are you openminded enough to just look at what the evidence just might say,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (33:17):
According to the apostle Paul Christianity rises and falls based on the resurrection. In fact, he says that if Christ has not been resurrected, then your, your faith is in vain. And so that really is the core issue for Christianity. How can we know, know that Jesus really rose from the dead? How, how do we even know Jesus existed? Some atheists say there there’s, there was no Jesus. So how can we know that Jesus existed, that he really lived, that he was crucified and that he rose from the dead.

Dr. Jim Burkett (33:56):
Very good question again you know, it’s so comforting to have, have facts and God on your side because you know, when, when I hear somebody say, well, Jesus couldn’t have lived. I think it’s very interesting, even some of the most liberal quote unquote theologians that, that don’t claim be Christians have openly acknowledged the, that if there’s one thing, we can be certain of that Jesus Christ exists in history. Now what about the resurrection? Now? This is where it gets very interesting. I I’ll, I’ll take a different slant than I normally do, but Dr. Gary hemos, oh my goodness. He’s considered, as you know, the, world’s leading a thought on the history of the resurrection and when he was studying his PhD, matter of fact, he got his PhD studying the resurrection of Jesus from Michigan state university, which is not known as a seminary or a graduate school, long story short the chairman of his committee said, well, it can’t be a devotional study.

Dr. Jim Burkett (34:59):
It’s gotta be an analytical study and, and it’s gotta be 350 pages. So here’s what, here’s what Dr. Hyper miss did. He studied everything written on the resurrection in English, French and German, over a period of about 25 to 30 years. And here’s what he noticed. He noticed even atheist agnostics acknowledged that there were certain elements that even they had to agree with. One was the empty tomb and, and he was shocked. Even atheists now acknowledged the empty tomb. So he built off that and he, and he calls it the minimalist approach to the resurrection things like, okay, the empty tomb, you have eyewitness reports people can’t say, well, it’s mass hallucination because you can’t share somebody else’s hallucination with anybody else. The change in the disciples these men, they, they died for what they believe was truth.

Dr. Jim Burkett (35:56):
And plus there was no perks in declaring Jesus was the Lord of your life. Number two, the impact that it had on a radical opponent by the name of Saul of Tarsus, who became the great missionary, the apostle Paul, even the brother of Jesus James who also died for his faith and then the radical impact on culture. It’s very interesting that there’s a book in which the, the, the growth of the early church, Michael Green, British theologian made this comment. And he said, there’s three reasons why the early church exploded in growth. He said, the number one reason is persuasive apologetics and the ability to outthink her critics. That was the first thing about the church. Number two, the dramatic conversion of these pagans and how that filtered in compassion ministry. I mean, here, you had people, they didn’t care.

Dr. Jim Burkett (36:53):
I mean, if they had a baby that was born, they didn’t want it. Well, they would throw it away. They’d put on the Ashe, whatever, but they’d see these changes out of that compassion ministry. Some of the church fathers actually instituted the hospitals and so on and so forth. And then number three, the dramatic miracles, exorcisms, and prop prophecies, clearly from another realm, it was so impacting that historians have said even non-Christians most modern folks are not aware of the dramatic impact that Christianity had on any culture that allows the gospel to be released. And we see that not only in, in ancient history, but we see it, you know, down through church history. I dunno if that makes sense or not, but as you can tell, I have a low excitement level on these things. So anyway,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (37:49):
Yeah. Calm down a little bit. Yes. Right. Yeah. All these issues are covered in my book, proof. God is real. And if you want to help educate yourself or, or become more informed on how to defend your faith, I’d encourage you to get a copy of the book proof. God is real on Amazon. And Dr. Jim, you were kind enough to do a little blurb for the, for the front of it. And, and actually, I don’t know if you knew this, but, but I, I quote from the great scholar, Dr. Jim Burkett several times in this book I took notes and I, I was careful to give you credit for your ideas in there. Praise God,

Dr. Jim Burkett (38:33):
You are a wise man.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (38:35):
And, and so, so I really have a heart to, to reach atheists here in the United States. You know, we go over to different nations around the world and we’ll do large evangelistic crusades, big gatherings of people we’ll have 30 or 40, 50,000 people at a time. And they come and they, they see God do miracles and they give their lives to Jesus. I mean, we’ve had Muslims come to Jesus and Hindus and Buddhist, and, you know, but I, I have a heart for the, this atheist spirit that is attacking America right now. The atheists are, are very aggressive on YouTube and Twitter. Some of the other social media platforms a couple of years ago the, the American atheist came here to Oklahoma and had their, their conference, their yearly conference. What, what was really in, I, I went to the conference that the atheist had, and they had it in the same ballroom at a hotel in downtown Oklahoma city that I had been in once before the previous time I’d been, there was in a crusade planning meeting with Reinhard Bonnke.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:53):
Oh, wow. And the, the me with Reinhard Bonnke was full of pastors from all over Oklahoma. And he came and he said, Jesus saves people from their sins. All of a America shall be safe. That’s right. And there was just such an electricity and excitement in the room when Jesus was being talked about. And then I went to atheist conference in the same room and they all seemed depressed and bored and, and, and they were, were just angry. And I said, wow, Jesus really does make a difference in people’s lives. That’s right. And so I think as a church, we need to, to go after atheist, because really it’s a, it’s a spiritual condition. We don’t wrestle against flesh and blood that’s right. We are in a spiritual battle for the hearts and minds of America. And, and in order to reach people, we have to be ready to engage with them on social media, at the university level in schools, you know, for teenagers and in every level. And, and you are really leading that fight particularly here in Oklahoma. Tell me about some of the, the different programs and, and things that you do to help educate people in the area of apologetics.

Dr. Jim Burkett (41:18):
Well, you’ve hit the right button. You know, the, the admission statement of apologetics on fire is

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:27):
And that’s the name of your, your ministry apologetics on fire, on fire. And if you hadn’t thought of it, I would’ve taken it. Cuz that was a, that’s a great,

Dr. Jim Burkett (41:37):
Well, you can title, you can thank your friend and my friend, Dr. David Sheley for that title. You know, I can’t believe I, I was chairman of his board for 20 years and so forth, but you know, the, the thing about it is I, I go to most not most, but a lot of apologetics conferences. And here’s what I believe hits most layman and it’s this and, and the, and the evidence is overwhelming. Lee trouble said, this is like the golden age of apologetics in terms of information, but most people hear this and if there’s not a practical to it, they, they walk away feeling like, oh, goodness, I have to have a master’s degree or PhD, whereas that’s not the case apologetics, if it does not lead into practical theology, evangelism, discipleship impacting the kingdom then it, it short changes everything.

Dr. Jim Burkett (42:32):
So my, my heart is well, you talked about naming different ministries. Of course we have apologetics on fire workshops and ministries. I also teach at colleges and universities oil Roberts graduate school theology the global school of supernatural ministry up in Harrisburg. I’ve been at Oklahoma west in true at McConnell university and so on and so forth. You have those those areas, but then in our workshop I have a dream now I don’t know how I may look to you age wise, but I’m really a 50 year old man trapped into 75 year old body. So with that in mind I, I really believe and I know others that are looking at this, we need to mobilize, I mean, acts 19 is a favorite chapter of mine. And so what did Paul do?

Dr. Jim Burkett (43:24):
I mean, for at least two years, he trained you know, the disciples every day, they said in the school of Italian reus. And then it said in the next two years, all of Asia mine had heard the word of God and the church historians tell us it became a center for the spread of the gospel. And E E even ESUs I mean, it was so impacted by what happened that my friend, John Vaughn said that by the end of the first century, there were well over 30,000 Christians just in ESUs alone because are so dramatic. So what would happen if like you have ratio Christi, RA Christi, which they basically, it’s a, an apologetics evangelism group and they basically try to have chapters in universities and beginning high school, I think last count they had 160 chapters whoever sponsors it they have to have a little bit of training and apologetics, and then the students come together and the idea is not just to come and sing kumbaya, but it’s the idea to learn how to grow in the Lord, how to share their faith.

Dr. Jim Burkett (44:29):
How do you answer the questions that maybe that science professor is an agnostic atheist you know puts out there? You’ve got so many great ministries, Jay Warner, Wallace. Oh my goodness. Here’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (44:43):
Cold case Christianity. Great. Yes. Book and great ministry.

Dr. Jim Burkett (44:46):
Definitely. I mean, former atheistic police investigator his his procedures on investigating cold case crimes was so significant that they say his procedures as they are shown on 48 hours and, and Fox news are continued the high marks. And when he came to Christ he was challenged, well, use your, for forensic skills to disprove Christianity. He couldn’t, and now he’s probably one of the most prominent, of course you have Lee Strobel. You’ve got to Josh, Maddo his son, Sean McDowell. There’s so many in the, in the science arena, of course. You’ve got John Lennox. Now this guy bless his heart. He only has three doctorates. And he’s a Welchman and, and, and what’s interesting is he is so gracious that I’ve read where atheists don’t like to debate him. And he’s not, he’s not mean he just, but he just puts the facts out there in such a, a, a winsome way. Of course you have a William Lane, Craig JP, Moreland’s one of my favorites. He’s just come out with a book called a simple guide to miracles. He, oh, he’s tremendous. There are just so many that are really coming up. And then we’ve got a, a younger group that are really beginning to come to the surface, but my prayer is,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (46:09):
Have you heard of Dr. Daniel King? He’s one of my favorites. Listen, he’s my wife’s favorite apologist.

Dr. Jim Burkett (46:16):
I, I heard that, I heard that was, you know, that was the word on the street. Matter of fact I’ve even, I’ve even prayed positively for him. So anyway, but well, you’re absolutely right. And here’s, here’s why I I’m appreciative that you you’ve focused in apologetics and that is you see it. I mean, really see it, believe it as being a, a crucial part of evangelism and connecting with our world, our nation and our world. I heard from a missionary, he said could we talk about your coming over an apologetics conference? And in our country, he said really? Why is that? He said, well, what’s happening on the American campuses are, is starting to hit here. And the old you know, the old ways where we just get up and preach the gospel. Now these college students, even here, I want to know how can I know that what you’re saying is true. So I’m so excited for the coming days of your ministry. God has, and is using you to ignite significant, significant spirit empowered motions and not motions, but movements of revival and an awakening. And I’m very excited for you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (47:33):
Well, thank you. If a church wanted to invite you to come and do a, a multi-day workshop, or if a school wanted to invite you to come teach or do a seminar, how can they find out more information about you and your ministry? What, what’s your website?

Dr. Jim Burkett (47:51):
If you’ll go to apologizes on fire.com and then you can find a couple of emails or you can text me at the number and I’d be glad to come. Like like there’s one church it just so happens. I have eight wins days open. And so I’ll be meeting with them for two hours and we develop a certificate course, and most of the church want to go through a certificate course, which means they can audit. They can just come, but in the certificate course they come, they have a couple of books, they need to read, they have some assignments. And and there’s, there’s some universities that might even use that certificate and use it for college credit if they decide to transfer it. But churches we’re talking about conferences with groups of, of churches the key thing, and I just, I just can’t say this strong enough right now, you must, and I hope this comes across the right way.

Dr. Jim Burkett (48:54):
You must fight for the heart. And so, and the minds of your young people, this is not something that’s on the sideline. They’re dealing with issues that you, you, you cannot imagine most high school students will have, at least I, I understand. And it’s like 70 to 80% heard one that was 85% of them ha have some kind of involvement with science or technology. And yet most youth pastors, maybe they might have five to 8% of familiarity with that. And so what do a lot of church kids, unless you have apologetics, they think, well, you know, it’s just a generational thing. He does this because of this or that, but not because he’s staying relevant to the world. And I hope that made sense, but apologetics on fire.com and love to come to your fellowship or your church, your conference, and, and I’m an equal opportunity blesser in a term that whether it’s a, a Baptist Baptist decos, Pentecostals, charismatics and or

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (49:55):
You like

Dr. Jim Burkett (49:56):
Everybody. Yes. in Jesus name. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (49:59):
Well, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast, Dr. Jim Burkett.

Dr. Jim Burkett (50:03):
Thank you for having me. God bless you. Bless

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (50:05):
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Aaron Antillon | How to Use DISC to Reach People for Jesus

Aaron Antillon is a master trainer and coach in the DISC model of Human Behavior. He is an expert in different personality types and how they function. Today, we talk about your unique personality and how evangelists need to be aware of how to communicate effectively to different types of people.

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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Aaron Antillon is a master trainer and coach in the disc model of human behavior. He is an expert in different personality types and how they function today. We talk about your unique personality and how evangelists need to be aware of how to communi effectively to different types of people.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:35):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast with Dr. Daniel King or Daniel interviews, full I’m evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:59):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And today I have a very special guest with me, pastor Aaron Antillon. He is an expert in D I S C. He’s a master trainer and coach of the disc model of human behavior. It’s a way of looking at different personality types, Aaron, thank you so much for joining me today.

Aaron Antillon (01:30):
Hey, it’s great to be with you. Daniel, I am excited because this is one of the things that I am so passionate about talking about.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:39):
Now, today, we’re going to talk about how to you disc in order to witness to people and to lead people to Jesus, you know, D different personality types have a different way that you have to approach them. Sure. And, and so every single person has these different personality types and what techniques work with one person may not work of another person. And so by understanding human behavior and understanding human personality, you can be better at interacting with people, reaching them, ultimately leading them to Jesus. So let’s begin Erin by talking about DISC, what is DISC?

Aaron Antillon (02:25):
Well, DISC is a measurement tool that med that measures individual’s behavior. You know, we all have different capacities for different things. We’re wired a little bit different. Some of us are a little bit more outgoing when we wake up in the morning, the natural all wiring on the inside of us is that we have an inward motor and it sounds like this. Mm mm. You and I are wired that way. We’re fast paced while there’s others that are wired, that they’re more reserved. Their inward motor sounds like this. Mm. And when they get excited, it’ll peak. Mm. But then it comes back to a level. Mm. Now, you know, one is not better than the other. They’re just different. And when we look to effectively connect with others, the first thing that we identify is the individual that we’re looking to connect with. Are they more outgoing or are they more reserved? So outgoing individuals have big gestures. They talk fast. They move very quickly. While those that are more reserved are a little bit more slower paced.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:48):
And here I am, I’m thinking, come on, Aaron, let’s get to the point. Let’s go. Why are you going so slow? But you’re trying to connect with different personalities, different

Aaron Antillon (03:56):
Personalities. So the first identifier is, is the individual that we’re looking to connect with more outgoing or more reserved. I realize that in any situation, it depends on the environment, but we’re looking for the best version of the individual, the natural best in highest use. The second indicator that we identify is, is the individual that we’re looking to connect with more task oriented or more people oriented. That’s a bigger bent to where disconnect occurs. You see Daniel, if I’m more reserved and you’re more outgoing, only thing that you need to do in order to connect with me is to slow it down. And I would need to speed it up. That isn’t that big of a deal. It said that 10 to 20% of conflict occurs between those that are outgoing. And those that are more reserved, not that big of a deal, but the big disconnect occurs between those that are task oriented. That their mindset is about function, process, procedure,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:09):
Getting things done,

Aaron Antillon (05:10):
Getting things done.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:12):
We, and they don’t care if they steamroll or over people, as long as the task is completed.

Aaron Antillon (05:17):
You and I know leaders that that fits their personality style. They’re wired that way. You and I have the natural wiring that we are wired that way. I was just sharing with you that I was on a call with a leading expert in this field. And on my call, he’s wired to where he’s more people oriented, touchy, feely relationships, Aaron sharing. And I called him and I got straight to the point. Let’s talk about the result that we wanna get. And he asked me this question, Aaron, has anybody ever told you you’ve hurt my thinking? I was like, no, that’s ridiculous. Who would ever say that? He goes, what do they typically say? They typically say you’ve hurt my,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:05):
My feeling,

Aaron Antillon (06:06):
My feelings. And so here’s the thing, Daniel, everyone communicates. But very few people connect. The goal of communication is not to get your point across. The goal of communication is to effectively connect with the individual. If I’m more task oriented and driven to where I’m more high tech. And if you’re more people oriented to where it’s more high touch, I have to make necessary shifts in order to effectively connect with you. So the first indicator that we identify is is the individual more outgoing or reserved? The second one is, are they more task oriented or people oriented? If you were to draw a circle. And if you were to divide the circle in half horizontally on the top of your circle, you would write outgoing on the bottom of your circle. You would write reserved. Then if you were to divide the circle again in the middle vertically on the left hand side of the circle, you would put task on the right hand, you would put people. So now we have four quadrants. You see the picture, are you getting the picture? Yeah. So we have the upper left hand quadrant of being outgoing and task oriented. We have the upper right, right. Hand quadrant being outgoing. And people-oriented, we have the bottom right. Quadrant as reserve. And people-oriented is this, is this clear? Yeah. And then the bottom left part of the quadrant as reserved and task-oriented, you know, in any situ in any circumstance, we really are a blend of all four styles. But let me explain what these four styles look well

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:09):
Before we get into explaining, I’m sorry. I’m fine. Before we get into the, the, the explaining each of these different styles. Sure. Let, let’s talk a little bit about like, how has this impacted you? Because before we say, yeah, this is what this is. Let’s, let’s see how this impacted you and how this changed your life.

Aaron Antillon (08:26):
That’s that’s great. Thank you for bringing me back into into this perspective and because this is a great story because you and I have known each other for many years, you’ve known me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:39):
We’ve been good friends. You’ve

Aaron Antillon (08:40):
Known whenever I was in this place of Discontentment you and I had conversations about this to where I did not understand why I was not functioning in my best in highest use, but I’m pastoring a church. I felt I was being obedient to God, but yet I had very minimal effectiveness in pastoring, a church. And I have high effectiveness in leading and developing leaders and doing business. And so at the age of 40, on my 40th birthday, I woke up with that heart of Discontentment and I walk over into our bathroom mirror and I look at myself in the mirror and I talk to myself, you know, Daniel, I truly be believe that self talk can be your greatest asset or your greatest weapon. What is it that you’re saying to yourself? I believe that if you wanna change your life, you change what it is that you say.

Aaron Antillon (09:47):
I believe that if you really want to change your life, you change what it is that you say to yourself. So I ask myself this question, and for the first time, I’m really diving into a deep place of reflection. Up until that moment, I had been running from that place of reflection, probably scared of what it is that I would see, but I asked myself this question. I said like this, Erin, if you continue going down the same path at the same pace, will you arrive at your desired destination? And with tears immediately streaming down my face. I answered myself and I said, no, but I knew that I had to do something different in order to different results. You know, Daniel, I wasn’t involved in sin, uncon sin. I wasn’t cheating on my wife. I wasn’t stealing from the church. I wasn’t doing things, taking drugs, drinking any of those things that we would think that would bring that Discontentment, there was a gap between where it was that I was presently at at, and where it was that I felt that God truly had designed and destined for me to go.

Aaron Antillon (11:05):
I did not know how to bridge that gap. I’ve had spiritual leaders that will say, well, weren’t you praying? I was praying every day. I was even praying in the spirit every day and I’m not discounting the power of prayer and praying in the spirit. I was in the word and confessing the word I was doing. All that I knew to do. And I was standing on God’s promises, but there was still that discontent. And that’s whenever I came into alignment with the disc model of human behavior, that really taught me a lot about myself. You know, I believe that the highest level of leadership is not a position or a title. I believe that the highest level of leadership is self leadership. And I begin to dive in deep into the disc model in order to really understand myself. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:59):
You began to understand what was going on with your personality, and then that helped you to understand other people’s personalities and how to, to use your personality and the best way to interact with others.

Aaron Antillon (12:12):
Honestly, I wasn’t even concerned so much about others at that

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:17):
Point, just understanding

Aaron Antillon (12:18):
Yourself. I was trying to really discover myself. You know, it said that the greatest day in a person’s life is whenever they’re born. The second greatest day is whenever they discover why I was trying to discover who Erin is, what is my true best and highest use. And it came through the discovery of the dis model and I began to learn why I’m wired and why I think, and why I feel the way that I do. And it all made sense. I remember I took an assessment, Daniel, the assessment was so accurate. It was scary.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:58):
Okay. So let’s, let’s jump into what each of these things, the D I S C stand for. Yes. And, and then let’s talk about your personality type and my personality type. And, and so you’ve you explained this four quadrants. Yes. And, and so tell us what each of these quadrants feel like people that are in each quadrant.

Aaron Antillon (13:24):
Okay. Now here’s the thing. DISC is not a model to model cap. Anybody. It’s not a model to put an excuse or a crutch. It’s an empowerment is to empower you to effectively lead yourself and to lead

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:39):
Others. And nothing’s wrong with one personality type or another personality type, every different type has its strengths and its weaknesses. And so with whatever your personality is, you can have great strengths. And of course, every personality type has its, its is too. But by understanding it, you can overcome some of the weaknesses and, and operate in your strengths.

Aaron Antillon (14:02):
Absolutely. Absolutely. So the outgoing task oriented individual, that is what we call the dominant style. That’s the D

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:11):
So the D is the outgoing task oriented. Yes. Person. Who’s one wants to get things done.

Aaron Antillon (14:17):
Yes. So the D stands for dominant. Now all four personality styles all have a blind spot and the blind spot for the dominant personality style is that they can be defiant Daniel, you and I have a lot of D in us. Have you ever can you attest to that, that in times?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:41):
Yeah. I, I mean, I have a very strong leadership personality and, and when my wife, Jessica and I were engaged to be married, we did counseling with pastor Greg Frazier in Warrenville Alberta, up in Canada. And he was, he was counseling us. And he said, as part of your counseling, I want you to both take the, the DISC personality test. So both me and Jessica, we went through the, the disc and I came out high D yeah. Which is very dominant. And what’s interesting is my wife also has Heidi usually opposites a track, but in our case we were attracted to each other cuz we liked what we saw in each other. And so I’m very leadership oriented. My wife, Jessica’s very leadership oriented and, and it’s great in some ways, because as long as we are headed in the same direction, we can take over the world.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:38):
Right? Like we can accomplish big things for God. We can do big crusades. We can raise a lot of money. Like we are task oriented. We’re like get stuff done. But if we’re headbutting, if we’re are coming at each other, man, two ramps, it’s fireworks. And, and yeah, it’s like two ramps coming together and then we don’t get anything done, you know, because you know, I I’m strong and she’s strong and it just butts heads. And, and so we have to work on that in our marriage. But having that understanding even before we got married, helped us to understand one another’s personalities. And, and so both of us have similar strengths. But we also have similar weaknesses too. Sure. Like the way we’re wired we’re we’re not super good at like counseling people through problems like of evangelists. Typically aren’t evangelists like are like, like you’re having problems with, with drugs. Well, just stop. It just don’t do it. Don’t go, you know, you know where, whereas like someone who’s more pastoral would say, oh, tell me about it. How did this happen? You know, what can we, and they’re very soft and, and calm and, and evangelists end to be like slap you upside of the back of the head and say get going. I don’t care how you feel. Let’s

Aaron Antillon (16:57):
Go, go and sit no more.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:00):
Yeah. Okay. So, so D is dominant. Talk about, I,

Aaron Antillon (17:04):
Well, let me share a couple of strengths. Yeah. With the D yeah. Some of the strengths are DS are, strong-willed just like what you said, we’re determined. Mm we’re independent. We’re optimistic. So typically DS use these strengths, but here’s a key point here. A key concept is that any strength pushed to an extreme becomes a weakness. That’s why I had said the blind spot for the dominant can be that they can be defiant. It’s a strength that’s pushed to an extreme, but let’s move on the outgoing people oriented individual. Do you see that within your own style? Can you, can you attest to that?

Aaron Antillon (17:56):
Going and then, okay. Okay. So the outgoing, people-oriented the word that describes the outgoing people-oriented individual is that they’re inspiring. These ind vigils are the life of the party. Now each of the four personality styles, we all have basic needs and the basic needs are different for each of the four. Whenever you’re looking to motivate, whenever you’re looking to empower each of the there’s different things that you need, the outgoing task or the dominant, they need challenges, choices in control. Maybe you have family members listener. Maybe you have family members that they’re dominant personality styles, and you’re telling them, come on, you have to get it done. You have to do it my way. See if you don’t give them challenges. If you don’t give them choices, if you don’t give them control, then there’s gonna be a continual budding of the heads. Well, what if these dominant individuals in my family are my children.

Aaron Antillon (19:08):
I’ll give you an example. I’m going back to the dominant just because I wanna share this story. My daughter Ashlyn that you’ve known since she was a couple, maybe two years old, Ashlyn’s a dominant personality style. She’s a lot like me so much like me, it’s scary. And so Ashlyn would always have an issue going to bed. And I would say, Ashlyn, you have to be in bed by 10 o’clock. Your lights have to be out. So she would have her lights out, but she would make it clear. She’s not asleep. She would say going to sleep before 11 is for the week. She would say that even whenever she was a little girl, five, six years old, she would say, I don’t take naps that’s for the week. And so when I learned about the model of human behavior, and I learned that dominant individuals, that they need challenges, choices, and control.

Aaron Antillon (20:00):
I changed my language with her and I said, Ashlyn, you can go to sleep whatever time that you want. As long as it is before nine o’clock, I’m giving her a choice, whatever time it is, you wanna go to sleep? She’s sharp. She’s not dumb. But she said, okay, and now she’s turning in. And now, because it’s her choice at what time? Why? Whenever you give dominant individuals, challenges, choices, and control. That’s a fuel, that’s a basic need. Just like fish need water. And we, human beings need air. They need challenges, choices and control. So I had to say that back, going back to the dominant, but now for the inspiring, the inspiring individuals, they’re the life of the party.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:55):

Aaron Antillon (20:56):
They’re the life of the party. They’re the party starters. You know what their basic needs are, approval recognition, popularity. If you have these individuals on your team, maybe in your church, maybe a part of your evangelism outreach team and you, and you would say, well, these individuals do not focus on the details. It’s because they’re not wired to focus on the details. They’re wired to be the party starter. They’re wired to keep everything going and keeping it fun. So empower them on your team to do those particular roles. What do you, what do you think, how do you feel about that Daniel?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:43):
Yeah. An evangelism team definitely needs that inspiring personality tight because they can gather people together. The evangelist wants to go out and gather as many people together. And, and so usually I, I think if you can have someone who’s a D who’s kind of leading the group and getting everything going, but then you get some eyes out there to say, Hey, let’s gather up. Everybody let’s have a party, let’s have a block, hard, let’s do something. And, and, and so it’s, there’s can really be good teamwork between people who have the vision, but then you need those people that are inspiring and, and really want to go out and, and, and relate to people.

Aaron Antillon (22:27):
You know, there’s strengths. The strengths of these individuals is that they’re friendly. They’re compassionate, they’re talkative, they’re enthusiastic. They make everything look bigger and better than what it really is. If you need your vision to be talked up, you share your vision with the inspiring style, because they’re gonna really talk up your vision, but you know, what can be the blind spot for these individuals

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:57):
That party never stops?

Aaron Antillon (22:58):
Well, they can be illogical exactly that the party never stops.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:03):
They’re joking around when someone’s trying to be serious.

Aaron Antillon (23:06):
They’re at the altar and the spirit of God is moving. They’re at the altar and they’re over here, Joe getting around and goofed off. That’s the illogical part. But an empowering leader understands how to effectively empower others to operate in their best and their highest use under control, their optimistic, how control their unrealistic under control their spontaneous, but out of control, they’re impulsive. What we really need in whatever style is our predominant style is that we need balance. Now realize this. We are a blend of all four personality styles based on whatever the demand is. But what we’re talking about at this point is our best and our highest use the way that we’re naturally wired. Because if you and I were to go to the game tonight, we’re probably gonna be in the role of an eye. Hey, let’s just have fun. Let’s enjoy life. We may not even talk about ministry and evangelism. We probably will, but we’re gonna talk about it while we’re having a lot of fun. Why? Because that’s the right environment. But in the best flow, in the best wiring, the inspiring style is involved is optimistic is persuasive. They’re the party starters for your team, even for your family. What do you think? How do you feel about that?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:46):
Yeah, we all love eyes. All right. Let’s talk about S the supportive part of this model of human behavior. What does an S do and how do they act?

Aaron Antillon (25:00):
Okay. Now I’m gonna change my tone. Okay. On the outgoing, because that’s the, D’s in the eyes. They’re fast paced. They’re upbeat.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:09):

Aaron Antillon (25:11):
On the S and the seed. They’re the reserve style. So I’m gonna change my tone. Speak a little bit softer.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:19):
Why are you speaking softer?

Aaron Antillon (25:21):
Because that’s what best connects with the supportive style.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:26):
So S stands for supportive

Aaron Antillon (25:29):
Support that they’re reserved, and they’re people oriented. Another word that S stands for is sweet. Look at here’s. Another one serve Stable, secure Their strengths. They can remain calm, even under pressure. They’re dependable. They’re very easygoing. They’re trustworthy. If we’re talking about ministry, I like to say it like this. The DS are the hands of the ministry. The are the mouth of the ministry. The SS are the hearts of the ministry, And the CS are the feet.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:26):
Okay. On the SS. What are some of the, the weaknesses?

Aaron Antillon (26:30):
The weaknesses is that they can lack initiative Under control. They’re relaxed, But out of control, they can lack initiative.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:43):
So they, they don’t go out and start something themselves.

Aaron Antillon (26:46):
They don’t start something themselves,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:47):
But they’re willing to follow someone who

Aaron Antillon (26:50):
They’re willing to support a vision. And they’re willing to support a vision long term as evangelists that are looking to build supporters and draw in supporters. These are the soft spoken heart to heart kind of talks that you’ll have with these individuals. And you would need to slow down your pace and talk one on one for, in the crowd in talking to them because they’re softhearted when they’re under control. But when they’re out of control, they can be easily manipulated under control. They’re great listeners, but out of control, they’ll stop communicating under control their system, but out of control, they can be slow. And I say the same thing. What we really need is balance. What we really need is balance the blind spot in this particular personality style is that they could be susceptible. They have a really, to of times saying, no, you know why? Because they have such a big heart because they do not want to offend anyone. You know, Daniel, I truly believe this everyone communicates, but very few people connect. If you were to raise your voice and say, I want this done, and I want this done. Now you can speak to me that way and I’ll get up and I’ll start moving and I’ll start looking and finding a way to get it done. But if you speak like that to a supportive style, what’s gonna happen is that they’re gonna up.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:48):
I’ve done that before her I’ve talked the wrong way to people. And they’ve gotten in very offended.

Aaron Antillon (28:55):
And you know, when I was pastoring and

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:56):
I was like, why we’re trying to get it done.

Aaron Antillon (28:59):
When I trying

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:59):
To get the test

Aaron Antillon (29:00):
Done, when I was wire me, I was sharing this with you. When I was pastoring. One of the things that I would say is we’re moving forward with, or without you,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:09):
People were like, okay, you are going without me. And then you’re wondering, where are all the

Aaron Antillon (29:13):
People I’m like, Lord, where are the people? Why did you send me UNC uncommitted people? They’re not UNC uncommitted. I was not effectively connecting with them. And I missed it. I missed, I believe that there’s well, meaning God called God anointed ministry leaders that have missed the connection that have MIS connecting with other leaders. You and I know some, you and I have been connected with others.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:48):

Aaron Antillon (29:49):
And they’ve hurt. They’ve hurt the people that God called to their ministry.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:56):
Unintentionally UN good

Aaron Antillon (29:57):
Intentions with great intentions,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:59):
But still not under are standing. How different personality types work. It, it just causes offense sometimes. All right. Let’s, let’s go to the last one. The C personality. What does C stand for?

Aaron Antillon (30:14):
Well, the C stands for cautious. The cautious style. Be careful. Be careful measure twice. Cut. Once the cautious style is both reserved in task oriented.

Aaron Antillon (30:30):
They’re cautious. Another word that describes the cautious, the sea style is that they’re competent. We see a lot of attorneys, a lot of doctors, you know doctors have been accused for having issues with their bedside manners. Well, they didn’t even ask me, how’s the family going, doing, but how would you like it? If the doctor engages in so much conversation that he says, now, what hip are we replacing? Are we taking out your heart or your longer your kidney? Cuz he is engaged in conversation. He’s focused on the task and he wants to be reserved. And he wants to measure twice. Cut once to make sure that it’s done accurately, specifically the blind spot for the cautious styles that they could be cold. Let me share with you the strengths because I like to focus on the positive side. The strengths is that they’re very gifted. They’re very analytical. They’re sensitive, they’re perfectionist. They deal with a high level of excellence Under control, their very orderly, but out of control, they can be compulsive under control. And I like this. They’re logical, but out of control, they can be critical. Ouch

Aaron Antillon (32:07):
Under control, they’re teachable, but out of control, they can be easily offended. Remember this? And I go back to it. What we really need is balance in whatever personality style is. Our predominant style. What we need is to remain more under control than out of control. One of my big discoveries, one of the big aha moments was whenever I identified that I had been living the majority of my life out of control. And then I begin to think through the people, starting with my own wife and my own children and those that I love the most that I trust the most and that I’m spending the majority of my time with how I had UN intentionally hurt them. And I made a commitment to the Lord and I said, Lord, from this point forward, I’m taking a deep dive. I’m gonna better Aaron, whether anybody else reciprocates.

Aaron Antillon (33:14):
And even I wasn’t looking for people to meet me halfway. I said, I’m going all in, whether it’s reciprocated or not, because I want my words to bring forth healing. I want my words to bring forth a restoration. I want my words to bring forth hope, much easier said than done, but it had to come through having a system. And I call this my system for success. Being a system that has enabled me success. You know, Daniel, from my point of view, success is not a number. It’s not a place. It’s not a title. Success in my world is arriving at my desired destination, fulfilling the purpose that God called me to operating on all cylinders, living in my best in highest use. And I said, now what I’m gonna go all in. You know what? Quite frankly, it took my wife probably about two years to believe it because of all the years, somebody just asked me my wife and I just celebrated 24 years of last month. And they asked, how long have y’all been married? Well, we’ve been happily married about 16, 17 years. What? I’m sorry, we’ve been happily married about six or seven years. We’ve been married though 24 years because I had missed that. She was the opposite. She is the opposite style than I, and I had spent all those years hurting. The one that God had given to me to complete me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:59):
What personality type is your wife?

Aaron Antillon (35:01):
A CS? And I’m a di.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:04):
So, so explain that people have a one quadrant that they are strongest in. And then a secondary,

Aaron Antillon (35:12):
A lot of times there is the only way to really identify if there are some people that they’re even such thing as a level blend

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:20):
That they’re, they’ve got some of everything that,

Aaron Antillon (35:22):
That they’re right in the middle with everything.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:25):
So, so the other day I told you that I was a di and I, I seem to remember when I took the test. That that’s what I was. But you immediately said, no, Daniel, I think you’re a DC. Yes. And, and it’s because I’m meticulous. I like giving lists. Like I’m, I’m very studious. So that’s the, the DC. And, and I think what happened is that I wish I was an I, and sometimes I try to fake being an I, but my real personality is the DC. See?

Aaron Antillon (35:57):
Yes. And I, I, I would agree with you on, on that. Because even, even whenever we are talking about parties starting and things like that and moving in that area, you’re like no, we’re not going that way.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:10):
Let’s let’s accomplish something.

Aaron Antillon (36:12):
Let’s accomplish the task, let it get it. Let’s get it done and see, and that’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:17):
Where you’re gonna laugh. I didn’t even do a super bowl party this year. I didn’t even go to a super bowl party. I was like, I was like, I don’t, I got something I gotta do that night.

Aaron Antillon (36:25):
Well, I had been upset of course, because of the Cowboys loss and throughout the whole playoff season, I’m like, I’m not going to any super bowl party. I’m not even gonna watch it. But of course I had to go to wild wings and I had to be in the middle of all the hoopla to watch the super bowl because of my high eye. I didn’t care who won. I was upset.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:46):
So you, what did you say your wife was? She’s

Aaron Antillon (36:49):

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:50):
Okay. So how does someone like you a di relate to a CS?

Aaron Antillon (36:56):
It takes a lot of, and understanding the model. That’s more than a segment. That’s a year of teaching and coaching and training. That’s a packed question there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (37:09):
Let’s, let’s talk about how to reach people that have yes. These different personality traits. So as evangelists, we are called to be fishers of men. Yes. And for every different type of fish, there is a different bait or lure that would be used. So if you’re going ocean fishing, you’re gonna use a different bait than if you’re in a stream fishing for a, a salmon or, or, or something. And, and, and so you want to use the appropriate bait to reach different personality styles, and that can relate to how you share stories in your sermons. It can relate to the speed that you preach in. It can relate to whether you are giving personal anecdotes or giving statistics like different ways of communication, help to connect with different personality types. And, and even some people might need more of the one-on-one touch than being in an audience. Absolutely. And, and, and so let’s talk about these, these he’s four different person like, like how would you reach someone who is a dominant personality, a D type personality who’s driven. Maybe it’s a businessman who is highly accomplished. They make lots of money. You go into their office. They say, you have three minutes with me. What do you wanna say? How would you communicate with them about Jesus in that three minutes?

Aaron Antillon (38:45):
Okay. Here’s a couple of things with the dominant style. What they want from you is they want you to be brief, be brilliant to the point and be gone. You said the three minutes, you hit it right on target. But here’s what it is that they want. Most of all, they want results. Tell me how your program, tell me what you have to offer is going to get me results. And what are those results? The question that they want answered is what you can write that down. If you’re listening, you can, you can write that down. The question that they want answered is what and what they what’s want.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:30):
What do I get out of it?

Aaron Antillon (39:31):
What are the results? What is the results that I’m going to get from this? When you’re selling to ’em? When you’re Asking them to marry you, what’s, what’s the benefit. What’s the result.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:47):
And the evangelist is God’s sales person. It’s

Aaron Antillon (39:50):

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:51):
Salesperson. So we, we, we are selling, we’re selling Jesus. We’re

Aaron Antillon (39:53):
Selling Jesus. Tell people what the result is, the peace of mind, the joy, unspeakable, and full of glory, the eternal ticket to heaven. That’s the result, the eye, the inspiring style. They want recognition. So even whenever you’re selling Jesus to them, one of the things that it would be okay to do is to name drop. You just got through leading their best friend or their spouse to the Lord. One of the terms.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (40:32):
So a testimony might be

Aaron Antillon (40:33):
Powerful. A testimony of someone that they admire a testimony of AE would be a great example. You’re in a sense name dropping. One of the things that I use is whenever I’m selling, whenever I’m connecting, I use this term just like you. I just sold this product to a leader. Just like you. I just led this person to Jesus and know what they remind me of someone. Just like you, just like you is a phrase that is a great connection with them. Why? Because they want to do what is popular. Their need is the recognition, the approval and the popularity. They’re gonna go by the popularity vote because remember, it’s all about the people. It’s all about the people. They

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:31):
Wanna be part of something.

Aaron Antillon (41:32):
They wanna be a part of something. They wanna see something. That’s something that’s bigger than them. And so that’s the big thing. The great party. Maybe even whenever you come to Jesus, all of heaven is rejoicing. There’s a party going on and they’re celebrating you today. That’s a big thing that resonates realize it doesn’t have to resonate with, but it resonates with them. Now, the S it’s all about the one on one relationship. It’s all about the relationship. And you don’t have to do anything boisterous, anything flamboyant, but the sincerity and the relationship, they’re gonna be able to spot if you’re a phony or not.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:21):

Aaron Antillon (42:22):
Since you connect

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:22):
With them sincerity with that, it’s flashy, it’s presentation that they like, right. It’s someone who is, is real with them, right. The genuineness. And

Aaron Antillon (42:32):
Even if you’re doing a crusade, and if it’s geared towards a particular style, a particular personality style, you identify, what is that need of the particular style and you gear and you set your presentation up to connect with that particular style.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:54):
Yeah. I, I think if you’re preaching a sermon, it might be worthwhile to go through the sermon and you could even highlight different areas of your notes with the different colors that correspond to these different say yes. Say, okay, this part of the sermon is gonna connect with dominant people. Yes. This, this story is that I’m gonna share is really gonna connect with, with people who are eyes that, that want inspiration, that this, and then, you know, I’m gonna slow down here and I’m gonna look people in the eyes and I’m gonna give them some of the genuine testimony from my heart to connect with the S and then I’m gonna give some facts and figures so that the, the CS can think through it and make sure that it all, all makes sense. Exactly. And, and you can, and you can structure your sermon in such a way that you can relate to different people. Cause I think one of the mistakes people do, they, they, they start by preaching sermons that would mu that would best reach their personality type. Exactly. But not everyone in the audience is gonna be your personality type. Exactly. You’re gonna have D front types of people. And so you have to intentionally think, how am I gonna reach this type of person? Or how am I gonna reach that type of person? Let

Aaron Antillon (44:09):
Me give you a great stat. Let me give you a great stat, because this would be relevant. The deeds represent about 10% of the population for you sees you’re gonna love this stat. The eyes represent 20 to 30%. So realize the D and eyes are your outgoing style. So if you’re outgoing, if you’re fast paced, if your presentation is loud, boisterous, flamboyant, all the pyrotechnics and all that. You’re only reaching about 40% at max of the outgoing individuals, because the season, the SS and the CS are not going to connect with that. Now the SS represent about 35% of the population and the CS, because of course it has to be right. They represent 25% of the population. So you see that the reserve represents 60% and the outgoing represent 40%. So if you’re to gear your presentation to where you don’t know who the gen who’s in the general audience, if you’re to slow your presentation down, speak a little bit softer, make more eye contact, nice gestures and soft smiles, very intentionally.

Aaron Antillon (45:33):
You’re probably gonna connect with the larger percentage of the population that’s in your audience. You and I were talking yesterday, and I was telling you just about some techniques whenever I’m walking through the crowd. And I’m speaking that whenever I’m in the front of the auditorium, because we would say that those that are more outgoing are probably racing to be in the front. I’m a little bit more animated. And my gestures are bigger. My smiles are bigger. I even do some touches, but as I make my way towards the back of the room, I soften my tone.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (46:13):
They’re sitting in the back. Cause they don’t really want someone to come and touch ’em

Aaron Antillon (46:16):
They don’t, they don’t. And that’s the real, and that’s the reality of it. Yeah. They’re, it’s not that they’re safe. Look at. We would say what would we say that, that the back row is reserved for who

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (46:33):
The cool kids,

Aaron Antillon (46:35):
For those, for those that are UN not interested or those that not you, maybe, maybe it’s those that are more reserved. My wife is more reserved when we go to church. I like sitting in the front, but because I know that if I sit in the front, she isn’t gonna follow me. I sit more closer to the back, but shouldn’t you follow me? I’m the man. I’m the husband. I’m the leader of the home. Absolutely I am. But I’m looking to effectively connect with her. So let me make that necessary adjustment. What do you think? How do you feel? So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (47:13):
Talk to me a little bit more about the, the C personality. You said that D’s ask what eyes look for. Recognition,

Aaron Antillon (47:22):
SS, eyes, ask who

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (47:24):
Relation. They ask, who eyes ask, who, what do SS ask

Aaron Antillon (47:28):
For, look at this? How,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (47:30):

Aaron Antillon (47:30):
How can I best

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (47:31):
Serve? You? See, I’m asking because, you know, I want all my ducks in a row. Absolutely. The Best’s a C coming out. I think. Absolutely. What does CS ask?

Aaron Antillon (47:39):
Why do you ask that question, Daniel?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (47:42):
Do they ask why?

Aaron Antillon (47:43):
Why do you ask?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (47:44):
Because I’m a, got some C in me

Aaron Antillon (47:47):
CS, ask why, you know, Daniel, I used to, even in conversations that you and I would have, you would ask me why, why are you thinking this way?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (47:58):
I have a curiosity in my personality to want to figure things out and, and to understand what is going on and the

Aaron Antillon (48:06):
Way that I would translate it, look at this the way I would translate it is he’s trying to trap me. He’s trying to highlight my inadequacies. He’s trying to identify that I did not properly or effectively research this, but you were asking me why in order to get to the root cause. So that way you could help bring some so, and seeing that’s where everyone communicates, but few connect. And there was a disconnect there. And I would wonder why is Daniel challenging me like that? And you’re like, thinking I’m not challenging. And that

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (48:44):
Wasn’t my, that wasn’t my intention at all. I’m trying to help you, but in your personality type, it was interpreted that way. All right. So D ask what eyes, ask, who S is, ask how and CS ask, why, why

Aaron Antillon (48:58):
They ask, why not, why in order to trap you, but when they’re under control, why so that way they have the clarity on how they can best serve.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (49:10):
That’s awesome. And

Aaron Antillon (49:11):
Help take the organization to an next level of excellence.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (49:16):
I feel like you could discuss all of these different types for hours on end. And in fact, you have several training courses where you teach people how to understand DISC and how to understand themselves and how to use it to, to relate to others. You you’re actually a master trainer. Yes. In coach, in the disc model of, of human behavior. And you have a bunch of resources available for people who want to understand disc better. And you, you wrote one resource on how to win with people by using DISC. And you’re willing to give that

Aaron Antillon (49:55):
Free gift. It’s a gift to our

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (49:56):

Aaron Antillon (49:56):
Today, a free gift on our website.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (49:58):
Awesome. And so what’s your website and how can someone get this extremely valuable resource, how to win with people by using disc, just

Aaron Antillon (50:06):
Go to LegacyLeadership.academy, And at very top, you’ll see an area that says free gift and just click on that link and just put in your name and your email address, and you’ll get an immediate download of that resource.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (50:23):
And on your website, you have information about how to receive additional training. Yes. In, in this,

Aaron Antillon (50:30):
We have certifications, we have in-person events at some of the nicest resorts in America. And so our next training is in Destin in Florida. We’re gonna go on a missions trip to the Windham, Emerald grand on April 2nd through the, I’m sorry, April 3rd through the sixth at the Windham Emerald grandest. And we’re going to just go in and learn more about the model of human behavior and how we can serve others and empower leaders while we’re there on the beach, just loving Jesus and loving each other.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (51:04):
That’s awesome. It sounds like it would be a lot of fun. All right. Well, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. I think this information is extremely valuable for evangelists to think about and how they’re communicating to these different personality types and, and styles of, of communication. So, Erin, you’re a good friend. I appreciate you. This was so valuable, so much extremely valuable content. Thank you for being on the evangelism podcast. Well

Aaron Antillon (51:36):
Thank you for having me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (51:37):
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Happy Birthday Daniel King – From Jessica King

Hi! This is Jessica King. This year on February 4, my husband Daniel King turns 43 years old. Can you help me CELEBRATE his BIRTHDAY?

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