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Asian Evangelism

What is God Doing in Nepal? | Thir Koirala

Today on the Evangelism Podcast I interview Pastor Thir Koirala, a Nepali pastor who is doing incredible work reaching the Asian diaspora in the United States.  Pastor Koirala shares how he is training local church leaders to be “peace ambassadors” and establish peace centers in their communities.  He also discusses the unique challenges facing the younger generation of Asian Americans who struggle to connect with their parents’ native language and culture.

Summary:

  • Pastor Thir Koirala is from Nepal and has been working as a pastor there for over 10 years, as well as being involved in various mission ministries. Since 2019, he has been working as the Asia Regional Coordinator for the Peace and Reconciliation network of the World Evangelical Alliance (WEA).
  • The Peace and Reconciliation network aims to train local church leaders and Christians to be “peace ambassadors” and establish local churches as “peace centers”.
  • There is a large Nepali diaspora, with an estimated half a million Nepali people living in the United States alone. Many of these Nepali immigrants are not yet Christian, representing a significant opportunity for evangelism.
  • Pastor Thir encourages American Christians to reach out to immigrant communities, build relationships, show them the love of Christ, and invite them to church activities

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me. DeThir Koirala from Nepal, thank you for being on the Evangelism Podcast.

Pastor Thir Koirala (00:12):
You’re you’re welcome.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:12):
And so you are from Nepal, but you are also working in the United States and have a church there. So tell me a little bit about your ministry and what you do for the Lord.

Pastor Thir Koirala (00:27):
I work as a pastor in Nepal for more than 10 years. And then I involve in the mission ministry, different mission ministry. I work with the Micah Global in Trivial Mission. How can church be light and salt in the community and serve the gospel, change and transform the life of the people? That is our goal. Then since 2019, I’ve been working as a Asia Regional coordinator on Peace and Reconciliation network. That means reconcile with guard, reconcile with people.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:57):
And so that’s under the

Pastor Thir Koirala (00:59):
WE,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:00):
The World Evangelical Alliance, which I was there last week at the conference at So Wrong

Pastor Thir Koirala (01:07):
Church

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:09):
In Seoul, Korea. It was so beautiful to see all of the pastors from around the world gather together. And the work that you do with the WEA is so valuable. And so tell me a little bit about that work and what it involves.

Pastor Thir Koirala (01:24):
Normally we promote peace and reconciliation work through the local church and Christian peace builder. We want to train people who keep local leaders to establish peace in the community. We want to see if every local church be a peace center and every local pastor, local leader, every Christian become a peace ambassador. What kind of this world we can see, today’s world is factored, broken everywhere you can see. So we need to heal this. Most of the time we focused this word, but also we need to solve. We need to focus body and mind. This world is completely going to broken war, loneliness, singleness, a lot of things are there. So how can we address them? How can we saw them? Our love through Jesus love, through our life. That is our focus. So we work with local church, we work with the denomination, we work with the National Alliance, regional Alliance, Israel. We work with theological institution with its peace and reconciliation, Bible college.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:33):
Now you also work with the Asian diaspora, which people from Asia have moved all over the

Pastor Thir Koirala (02:40):
World.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:41):
And you’re from Nepal. And you told me that there are many people in the United States from Nepal. How many people would you estimate?

Pastor Thir Koirala (02:49):
Estimated half million Nepalese people. They live in America only. So in Canada, huge number of people that are living and all over the globe. Nepali people everywhere. I travel more than 50 countries. And then everywhere I found at least one Nepal church.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:05):
And many of those nepalis don’t know Jesus.

Pastor Thir Koirala (03:08):
Many very minority people are accept Jesus because Nepal is in the dominated country. Even in Nepal it’s a more than 80%. People there follow Hinduism. So in America who lives as immigrants in America. So I think it’s about 1% only Christian are there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:27):
Wow. So this actually represents a huge opportunity for the church.

Pastor Thir Koirala (03:31):
Exactly.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:31):
Because in Nepal there are certain restrictions on sharing the gospel. Sometimes there is persecution,

Pastor Thir Koirala (03:41):
Sometimes

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:41):
There are difficulties in telling people about Jesus. But with the diaspora, God has brought these Nepali people from Nepal right. To America. And they might be your neighbor.

Pastor Thir Koirala (03:54):
They

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:55):
Might be living next door to you. I know there are a few Nepali people in Tulsa where I live. And this represents an opportunity for the church to show love to these people. Exactly. And to introduce them

Pastor Thir Koirala (04:08):
To Jesus. Exactly. That’s a great opportunity. So mission field is there in North America and Europe, many, many immigrants are there. So we need to build a relationship and show love of Jesus through our action and we can share gospel and good news and save life.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:29):
Amen. So what message would you give to Christians in America who maybe are at the grocery store and they meet someone from Nepal? What would you say to them? What encouragement would you give them?

Pastor Thir Koirala (04:41):
Actually, yeah. I’m encouraging or I’m messaging to most of the American church. I would like to thank them because they send the missionaries to our country, Asia, Africa, and other countries. That’s why we are here. But now Mission field is in their home country. Huge, huge number of immigrants are there. So just go there, meet them, build relationship, love them. And so the love of Christ, that is a great opportunity. And if you see any immigrants in a grocery store or they are, most of them, they are culturally shocked or they’re lonely or something, they’re seeking something, you can show

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:35):
Your love. So invite them over to your house for dinner, maybe build a relationship with them, have a coffee together. Oh, that’s invite them to some type of activity at your church.

Pastor Thir Koirala (05:45):
Yeah. I found that there’s a gap between American and immigrants. Most of both side immigrants also. They feel something like a culturally or socially they fill gap there. And American also, they field. So we need to fill the gap. We need to be breezed between. I know many American sisters and I visited huge Mega Koreans are there and some streets and they’re doing amazing, but still need to connect each other, love each other, learn each other. Like a thousand members in Ohio, one of the man mans there. They have thousands of members like Russians are there, Chinese church are there. So how can I learn each other? And big challenge today, young generation who are growing in America, they have a big challenge. That’s a language. Their parents came from other country like in Nepal or India. Anyway, they speak their own language. They want their children to speak their language, but they grow. They go to American school. They already,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:00):
Maybe they know some of their understand their Nepali language, but they speak English. And then third generation, only English,

Pastor Thir Koirala (07:08):
They don’t feel comfortable. And there are 200 plus Nepal church in America. But young generation, they go to church, but they don’t understand what is pastoral preaching, what is singing. Some they know the song,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:22):
But

Pastor Thir Koirala (07:23):
Most of the preaching, they don’t understand When they grow, they are not entrusted to go. So how can we connect with American church and build them new generation in English language.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:33):
Wonderful. Well thank you so much for being on the Evangelism podcast.

Pastor Thir Koirala (07:38):
Thank

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:38):
You so much. And I’d really encourage you as you’re listening to this, to reach out to diaspora, to the people that are not in their home country, that have gone to another country. And that represents a great opportunity for the church to minister to them, to reach them, and to bring them ultimately to faith in Christ.

Pastor Thir Koirala (08:01):
Amen. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:02):
Thank you. God bless

Pastor Thir Koirala (08:03):
You. Thank you. Thank you Daniel.

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David Chung | Korean Evangelist to the World

In this episode of The Evangelism Podcast, I interview South Korean evangelist Dr. David Chung. He shares how he felt called by God to preach the gospel around the world, despite growing up in poverty in South Korea. We explore the role of prayer and revival in the growth of the Korean church, as well as the challenges facing the younger generation. If you have been wondering where the Asian evangelists are, you will want to listen to this episode.

Learn more about David Chung: https://dcmi.org/ 

Summary: 

David Chung is a South Korean evangelist who had a strong calling to preach the gospel throughout the world, starting from his teenage years [0:34]. He believed God wanted him to reach the ends of the earth with the gospel [1:16].

Chung shared that in the late 1970s and 1980s, the South Korean church experienced rapid growth, with the Christian population growing four times faster than the natural population [16:49]. This was attributed to the fervent prayer life of Korean Christians, who held early morning prayer meetings daily and faithfully shared the gospel with their neighbors [16:49].

Chung believes God is calling for more Asian evangelists to rise up and reach their continent for Christ [9:57]. He encourages young evangelists in Asia to step out in faith, as God will provide for them if they are called [12:35]. Chung also mentioned that he is willing to help coach and mentor young Asian evangelists through his ministry, DCMI (David Chung Ministries International) [10:36].

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And today I have a very special guest with me, Dr. David Chung. Thank you for being on the Evangelism Podcast. Well, my honor, now I’m excited to talk to you because we are here in South Korea and you are a South Korean evangelist. All righty. And I have been praying that God would raise up more Asian evangelists. So let’s start at the beginning. How did you know that you were called by God to be involved in evangelism?

Evangelist David Chung (00:34):
So two stories. I became a Christian in 1978, I think I was sixth, seven, eight, ninth grader. And I experienced a drastic conversion at a revival meeting. And then after that I began to read the Bible, pray every day. And then my faith began to grow. And I knew that God called me not only for Korea, but go to the ends of the world and preach the gospel. But Korea at the time was a poor country. My dad was making $20 a month, but God speaking to me, you got to go to the ends of the earth and preach the gospel. And I’m going, God, no kidding. Make a long story short, the burden heaven was laid upon my heart. So I bought a world mat, put it on one side of the wall of my bedroom, which was my grandma’s bedroom, and which was my brother’s bedroom.

(01:34):
As well prayed. I looked at the world map in the morning. At night, prayed that God will send me to the ends of the earth. And then I kept studying English. And throughout my high school, three years of high school, we had six English textbooks, and I memorized all textbooks. And then I went to a Baptist college and the college sent me to the United States for my education after that seminary, on and on and on, and I became a pastor. That’s the beginning point of going to the ends of the earth to evangelize the world. And then the second more direct story, as a pastor, I joined youth with a mission, received training and went to Ukraine for field ministry. About two months and a half later, while I was reflecting upon my ministry there, I felt like the Lord was speaking to my heart, David, I want you to come back to this part of the world and help lead half a million people into God’s kingdom.

(02:52):
And I said, God, you got the wrong man. I’m not a Billy Graham. I think I can lead 500, but not 500,000. But the Lord spoke to me. David, out of your two months plus time of ministry here, what was the greatest weakness of the Ukrainian church? And I saw pastors, not that the pastors are rotten or lazy or anything. Out of 70 plus years of the Soviet Union days, all the theological institutions were destroyed. Churches were destroyed. And what little pastors that they had after the fall of the Soviet Union, the gospel came, evangelists came, missionaries came. These young people became Christians steward. So they were praying and they were sharing the gospel faithfully. So the pastors ordained them and let ’em pastor churches without any theological education. So when my translator was translating their sermons, boy, it was like a book of acts without any education.

(04:09):
The level of their preaching was not here, but it was here. I was amazed. But because they did not receive any education, it was not up there. And then they could preach, but they didn’t know how to run the church, how to run church programs. So I felt like the Lord was speaking to my heart, David, is it possible for one man, one pastor, to reach out to 500 people? And I said, what Father? I mean, no, no. He said, do you think it’s possible for one pastor to reach out to 1000 people? I said, father, that’s possible. In Korea, there is a church that has 800,000 members.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:54):
A

Evangelist David Chung (04:54):
Church of 1000 is possible. And he said, David, if you can come back and train 500 pastors who can reach out to 1000, respectfully, that’s 500,000. I said, father, I can do that. So I went back and my friends invited me for dinner, and they said, David, when you come, if there is anybody you want to bring with you, you can do that. So I invited another friend of mine to go there to have dinner with a nice meal. They asked me about my Ukraine experiences, and out of all that conversation and pleasant visit, they handed me an envelope that had $50,000.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:37):
Wow.

Evangelist David Chung (05:37):
And they said, David, start your ministry with this. And I was shocked. And the lady

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:43):
That I feel like that’s a sign from God.

Evangelist David Chung (05:45):
Yeah, you have the gift of spiritual discernment. And the lady that came there with me, she was also shocked. She said, I did not know this meeting was that. And I said, neither did I. She said, David, I’m so touched, I want to give you 10,000. And those people became the first board members of the CMI.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:08):
Wow. So what year was that that you

Evangelist David Chung (06:11):
Started? 2002.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:13):
And what are some of the highlights of the ministry that you’ve seen God do since 2002?

Evangelist David Chung (06:18):
So I started the ministry in Eastern Europe. So God sent me to Ukraine, Russia, Romania, some of those Eastern European countries. And then through Luis Paal and Team Rob net, God sent us to Africa. And then we’re serving there, here and there doing mass evangelism, developing leaders, pastors. And then God sent us to Myanmar. That was the exactly 200th year ever since. Adam just brought the gospel to Myanmar. Whatever we did then was the largest meeting ever held in the 200 years of church history in Myanmar. Wow. So that was a shocker. I’m in woods.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:09):
Is that this picture here?

Evangelist David Chung (07:10):
No, no, that’s in Cambodia.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:12):
Oh, this is Cambodia.

Evangelist David Chung (07:12):
That was last year, but that Myanmar was 2013. Yeah, that’s over 10 years.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:19):
Wow.

Evangelist David Chung (07:19):
That’s not the story. Real story is this. They wanted us to come back and do it again the next year. I said, no, they were shocked. No, all the churches and Christians are excited. They want you to come back. In fact, they’re asking that you come every year and do it. And I said, absolutely. No, this is the reason. Why did we have so many people? We had a long process of preparation, trained local believers for evangelism and everything, but if we do that every year, the system will make it happen without evangelism. So I said, no, I’m not doing that. That’s going to be a big meeting for the sake of big meeting without evangelism. I don’t want that. So they were frustrated. They invited a Norwegian evangelist A couple of years later. They had about the size of crowd that I had. And then about 2000 came to Christ around meeting about 2000 accepted Christ. And then a year later, Franklin Graham came. Our record just, it shattered. And Franklin, he did a great job. So I was so proud of the local leaders that year I went there for pastor’s conference. So some of those leaders came to the airport, they received me. And I said, Hey guys, you guys have done a great job. I read all about Franklin’s record. And every,

(08:52):
Their answer was stunning, Dr. Chong. The only reason why we were able to do that is because three years ago you came and you gave us vision. We never had.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:09):
You really broke the ice.

Evangelist David Chung (09:11):
And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:11):
Then there became possible for God to do so much more there,

Evangelist David Chung (09:15):
If that’s what it was. And that’s what it meant. What an honor.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:19):
I was so humble when I heard that. Now, a little bit ago, you mentioned the large church here in Korea with 800,000 people, though church. Exactly. With David Yonggi Cho, who was a great pastor, obviously built one of the largest churches, probably the largest church in the world. But recently I was at their church and they have a little display of his life. And I saw pictures of young Cho preaching in front of big crowds in many different countries. And I could see that he was not just a pastor. He also had a gift for evangelism. Oh, absolutely. There’s very much an evangelist.

Evangelist David Chung (09:56):
Absolutely.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:57):
Yeah. But other than that, I haven’t heard of many big evangelists coming out of Asia. United States has lots of big evangelists. You have some wonderful evangelists in South America. Africa has good evangelists. But I believe that the greatest harvest of history will happen here in Asia. If you just look at the 10 40 window. And so I think that God wants to raise up more Asian evangelists.

Evangelist David Chung (10:26):
What

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:27):
Would you say to maybe South Koreans or other people here in Asia who feel a gift for evangelism? What would you say to encourage them?

Evangelist David Chung (10:36):
Well, contact me. I’ll provide any help I can give you

Evangelist David Chung (10:43):
To

Evangelist David Chung (10:43):
Help you shape yourself as an evangelist. I want to develop you. But traditionally, not only in Korea, but in Japan, in any Asian countries, evangelism has been done by pastors. So in the church, they have this position called evangelists, but they are paid by the church, very little salary. And they are traveling to share the gospel for the church, not necessarily independent evangelists raising funds. In reality, in this country, raising fund is almost impossible. I guess that’s one of the reasons why they do that. Even Reinhardt Monkey, he’s a German wealthy country, but he has an American, a citizenship. Citizenship. This is what he said. The only reason why I’m living in the United States is because fundraise is almost impossible, even in Europe. That’s why he’s living in the States.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:49):
But yet the church here in Korea has a lot of money. I mean, we’re here at, so

Evangelist David Chung (11:53):
Church,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:54):
It’s a beautiful facility, goes six stories underground, 13 stories up, two different towers. And it’s just a beautiful facility. And traditionally, the church here in South Korea has two things. They’ve done very well.

Evangelist David Chung (12:09):
They’re

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:09):
Very good with prayer, and they’re very good with missions. The South Korean Church has sent out so many missionaries. And so there’s a heart for missions. Exactly. I believe that God wants to also put a heart for evangelism in the Korean church. And I think that God will provide, I mean with vision, God will

Evangelist David Chung (12:28):
Provide

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:29):
Absolutely. Provision Paul’s vision. I think it God raises up evangelists with vision.

Evangelist David Chung (12:34):
Absolutely.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:35):
That the provision will come.

Evangelist David Chung (12:35):
That’s what I experienced. If you feel called and you go out by faith, God will provide so young evangelist or anybody who has a vision for that. Don’t you wait until, don’t you complain because your pastor is not supporting you. Go out there by faith, and the Lord will provide, if he called, then he will provide for you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:59):
Amen. And so you mentioned you willing to help evangelists here in Asia. What is your website? How can people get in touch with you?

Evangelist David Chung (13:06):
BCMI for David Chung ministries international.org.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:13):
Okay. So if you’re a young evangelist, especially an Asian evangelist, reach out to Dr. Chung and he wants to help you out. So what a blessing.

Evangelist David Chung (13:22):
Can I say one more thing? Yes. I met a young man going to Wheaton graduate school. He has a heart for evangelism. He’s from Hong Kong. Just because he came from Hong Kong, I assumed that he was a Chinese man, but he’s an American man. There’s a long story, but he grew up in Hong Kong. But anyway, I came to know him, and he says, my vision is to feel the Olympic Stadium in Hong Kong with teenagers and preach the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:00):
Wow.

Evangelist David Chung (14:00):
So I have a coaching called with him once a month.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:04):
Wow.

Evangelist David Chung (14:05):
So yeah,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:07):
I pray that will come to pass.

Evangelist David Chung (14:08):
Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:09):
Amen. Amen. The church must get ready.

Evangelist David Chung (14:12):
Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:13):
You have North Korea that needs to be evangelized. China, Laos, Vietnam. We have Thailand, Cambodia, Myanmar, Malaysia, all of these countries here in Southeast Asia where there are millions of people that need Jesus.

Evangelist David Chung (14:36):
Amen to that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:37):
Now, did you do your doctoral work with Tim, Dr. Tim Rodnick?

Evangelist David Chung (14:40):
No, no, no,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:42):
Because I took some classes with him.

Evangelist David Chung (14:44):
Okay. No, not at all. I went to Southwestern Baptist Theological. It’s a BAP seminary.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:50):
Was the focus of your evangelism?

Evangelist David Chung (14:52):
No, I have a PhD in Old Testament. I’m an Old Testament scholar.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:56):
Okay.

Evangelist David Chung (14:57):
Wow. Yeah. Well, actually, this is how I ended up studying Old Testament. I love the Bible. I wanted to study Old Testament. And then in reality, I wanted to become an evangelist. I wanted to study evangelism. And then I thought, well, I mean, this is because of Asian background. Evangelism is something you do not something that you study to get a PhD degree. So I decided to study Old Testament, then study evangelism. So I studied something else, but this is what I’m doing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:34):
Yeah. What lessons do you bring from the Old Testament to evangelism?

Evangelist David Chung (15:38):
Well,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:38):
There’s some great examples. In Old Testament,

Evangelist David Chung (15:40):
My evangelism professor, Dr. Roy Fish, Southern Baptist, is all about discipleship, expository preaching. That’s Southern Baptist. But in his history of spiritual awakening class, he says, churches, we have to faithfully share the gospel. We have to faithfully make disciples. But churches do not grow like that. Great revival comes and churches grow. And he says, I can tell you throughout the Old Testament where there was a mighty revival, people of God came to God. They repented throughout their sin, throughout the idols, and they came to Christ. So great lesson, we can learn from the Old Testament, obey the Lord, be faithful to his promise, to his covenant, and go on by faith.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:38):
Amen. Now, the South Korean church, it’s so good at prayer. Talk to me about the link between prayer and evangelism. How do they work together?

Evangelist David Chung (16:49):
My goodness. There was a war in Korea that lasted for three years. So whole land was devastated. 1953, after the war was over, the United Nations sent South Korean economy restoration team, and they did a survey, and they were shocked at the fact that with an average annual income of $37, South Korea was the poorest country in the world. So at the time, we had 1 million Christians. They always prayed. Everything was devastated. The only open access they had was there. So they prayed. A Korean church is known for early morning prayer meeting. So every day at 4:30 AM people came to church and prayed. They didn’t know how to pray eloquently. All that they say goes, would you bless this country? Would you bless this suffering people? Lord, you are blessing. God bless us. And then they believed in the power of the gospel, transforming the hearts of people. So they faithfully share the gospel with their unbelieving neighbors. 10 years later, in the 1960s, the number of Christians doubled from 1 million to 2 million. They kept praying, Lord, we are poor. We are suffering. Bless this country. And they faithfully share the gospel. 10 years later, in the seventies, the church Christians doubled again from 2 million to 4 million. What is fascinating, the government census shows that in the decade of 1970s, Christian population grew four times faster than natural population.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:44):
Wow.

Evangelist David Chung (18:45):
And then

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:46):
It’s one of the great miracles of the church.

Evangelist David Chung (18:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, in 2000 years of church history, Korean Church, Ruth Marks one chapter. Yeah. So, prayer, evangelism, passion, your passion will not be found unless you pray.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:09):
What was causing church growth during that time in Korean history? Was it one-on-one, evangelism,

Evangelist David Chung (19:16):
Revival, and one-on-one all combined together? It’s not either or. So this is what I learned from my missions professor back in a D eight. He professionally came to Korea to share the gospel linked with the 88 Solo Olympic game.

(19:37):
He was here for two weeks. He came back in the fall semester. He says, my goodness, I have never experienced anything like this. I landed at the airport, got on a taxi and asked the driver to take him to a certain hotel. He said, I doubted if I could communicate with the taxi driver, but Korean government provided English lessons for the taxi drivers. So they began to have a conversation in English. This taxi driver says, sorry, do you believe in Jesus here? So what in the world is going on? And then he began to share the gospel. I mean, the taxi driver began to share the gospel with this guy. And then he walked into the hotel at the front desk. The guy says, sir, do you believe in Jesus? He’s going, wow. What’s going on here? And then he went Shopping, shopping malls. The people that are working there, they’re going to know Jesus. So I don’t know where, sadly, sadly, that passion is gone now in the South Korean Church. That passion for prayer, that fire,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:58):
I think there’s a great, great challenge with the young people here that have not kept the faith of their parents,

Evangelist David Chung (21:06):
Just like the United States.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:07):
Yeah. Well, let’s finish by praying for two things. Let’s pray first for the harvest fields of Asia, that many people would come to know Jesus.

Evangelist David Chung (21:19):
Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:20):
And then let’s pray for many evangelists to be raised up here in Asia.

Evangelist David Chung (21:24):
Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:25):
And would you lead us in prayer?

Evangelist David Chung (21:27):
Father, I’m so grateful for this time with Daniel Lord, and I thank you for all the amazing work you have done in Asia, especially in Korea. Lord, everybody knows that Asia is the center of population. Lord, would you send us a mighty revival? So this, millions of people in Asia may come to know Jesus Christ as their Savior, and Lord, harvest is ready, but the workers are few. Oh Lord, I pray that you will raise up mighty spiritual leaders among young people, Lord, people who think differently from the existing generation, people Lord. So with many, many innovative ideas, Lord, these evangelists all over Asia will rise up and transform their nations and get ourselves, get the continent ready for the second coming of Jesus Christ to this task we commit ourselves. Use us for that purpose and glorify yourself as you use us. In Jesus’ name we pray. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:48):
Amen. Dr. Chung, thank you for being on the Evangelism

Evangelist David Chung (22:52):
Podcast. What? Thank you.

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Church Planting in Medan, Indonesia | Antonius

Today, I talk to Pastor Antonius from Madan, Indonesia to discuss the incredible growth of Christianity in this diverse, predominantly Muslim nation. Hear how Pastor Antonius has planted multiple churches through relentless evangelism, and learn how the Indonesian church is uniquely positioned to reach the rest of Asia for Christ. This is an episode you won’t want to miss!

Summary: 

  • Pastor Antonius has been a pastor in Indonesia for 25 years, starting as a local missionary and then becoming a church planter, planting three churches before becoming a pastor at the request of his congregation [0:18].
  • Indonesia is a diverse country with over 17,000 islands, 200 local languages, and a population of over 300 million, with Christianity making up about 12% of the population according to the government, though the actual percentage is believed to be higher [1:06].
  • Indonesia has seen a significant movement of conversions from Islam to Christianity, with many people finding Christ through social media and digital technology [1:38] [2:13].
  • Pastor Antonius planted churches through evangelism, going house-to-house and to public places to share the gospel, and then forming cell groups to disciple new believers [2:29].
  • The church in Indonesia faces persecution as a minority, but this has led to greater dependence on God and a forgiving spirit that has attracted new believers [3:39] [5:12].
  • While some churches in Indonesia are wealthy, there are also many poor Christian communities, and the church is working to reach both the rich and the poor with the gospel [5:31] [6:38] [7:33].
  • There is a great hunger and passion for God among the younger generation in Indonesia, who are heavily engaged with social media and digital technology, providing new opportunities for evangelism [8:15] [9:18] [9:24].

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me, Pastor Antonius from Madan Indonesia. Thank you for being on the Evangelism Podcast.

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (00:13):
Thank you so much.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:14):
Alright, so tell me a little bit about your ministry. What do you do?

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (00:18):
Well, I’ve been a pastor for 25 years, and first of all, at the time I was a local missionary since I had a personal encounter with God and then become a church planter after I planted three churches. And then the last one that the member say that if you are leaving us, then don’t plant a church. So we want you to become a pastor. So that’s the story that I can become a pastor.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:47):
Okay. So tell us a little bit about Madan and about Indonesia. I’ve been to Indonesia several times, and I know it’s a land of many islands and a majority Muslim. But kind of give us a picture of Indonesia and what God is doing there.

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (01:06):
Yes. Indonesia consists of 17,000 islands,

(01:11):
And then we have more than 200 local languages and dialect, and we are so diverse. And now probably we have about 300 million peoples in Indonesia. And according to the governments, the Christianity is not modern 12%, although we believe that should be more than that. Why? Because you’ve seen that God has been moving so greatly in Indonesia. We are so grateful having the social medias and also digital technology now where people can hear the gospel without any limitations. And as the result now you can easily find Indonesians people who used to be Muslims now become a Christians and they’re now become the Apollo

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:12):
Wow.

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (02:13):
Reaching out their communities, their original communities. So you can easily find that in social media.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:22):
And so you were a church planter? Yes. What was the process that you used to plant a church?

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (02:29):
Evangelism. So evangelize people, I come to house to house, I come to the people, wherever peoples gather together, the coffee shops. I come even to the petty field just to share about the gospel, to share about Jesus. That’s how I find the lost soul. And then after that, I formed the cell groups, so I disciple them. Those that disciple then feel that they need a church, and that’s become the church that we have planted.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:06):
And so you did that in three different places. Were they all on the same island of Sumatra or did you go

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (03:13):
To Yeah, they’re all in Sumatra.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:14):
All in Sumatra?

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (03:15):
Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:15):
Okay. And tell me what the feeling is among the church in Indonesia for evangelism. Are you praying for the loss to be saved? Is the church of Indonesia concerned about evangelism? Is there persecution with evangelism? What’s happening in the church in the area of

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (03:39):
Evangelism? Being minority in Indonesia is not easy.

(03:45):
So that’s also makes you become totally surrender to God. You really depend on God. And that’s why we pray a lot. We pray for our salvations and we also, we pray for those who persecute us. And as a result, we see God moving mightly and even sometimes really out of our mind, people just asking for Jesus. And last time, what I heard from one of my colleagues who converted to become a Christian, I asked him, why are you converted to become a Christian? I never asked you to become a Christian. And he says, well, you know what? I’ve seen a lot of persecution, a lot of bad things that has been happened to Christianity, but you guys never rev revenges. You guys never saying even bad things. You always say, just let them do it. Just forgive them. And it’s really make me think about it again, this guy is kind of come from the other planet. They have a different perspective on seeing this, and that’s why I want to know more about Jesus. And I found out that’s exactly what Jesus taught you guys. So that’s why I would like to follow Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:08):
Wow, that’s a great testimony.

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (05:12):
Exactly. My friend become a Christians, not because someone came to him, but because his college from his previous religions treat us badly and we don’t fight back for that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:31):
I find the church of Indonesia to be very unique because many of the Christians come from a Chinese background,

(05:40):
And the Chinese traditionally are very good at business. And so because of that, the church is in Indonesia, not all the churches, but a big portion of the church. It is a wealthy church compared to some of people, which is a very different situation than in Pakistan. Like in Pakistan, all the Christians are very poor and they have been kept from being successful in business because of oppression and that type of thing. And so they find it very hard. But the neat thing about the church at Indonesia is that you have a lot of resources, and I believe that with the right prayer and the right training, the Church of Indonesia could reach many people for Jesus, not just in Indonesia, but to have reach throughout all of Asia. What do you think of that analysis?

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (06:38):
Yes and no. Why do I say yes? I agree with you. There are a lot of rich church in Indonesia, especially in the big cities. It’s like Jakarta, Suraya, Madan, Bandon. But there is a research that has been done by the Christians organizations. Indonesia consists of 38 provinces. Out of those 38 provinces, 12, the most poor provinces are predominantly Christians. So that’s another story of that. Yes, we are very rich, but in some area and yes, we have capacity even to reach out to beyond our nations. That’s why now we start sending the missionary to many countries, even in Africa. We have the missionaries there now,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:31):
But

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (07:33):
On the other hand, we still have to look after those 12 provinces that are so poor.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:42):
Of course, there’s people everywhere that live in poverty. Last year I was at the Empowered 21 conference in Jakarta, and it was so beautiful because there was an auditorium filled, I think it was about 17,000 young people who were passionately following

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (08:03):
God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:04):
And I said, wow, this is amazing that there are so many young people in Indonesia that are excited about serving God. Yes. Are you seeing that also in Meen?

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (08:15):
Yes. We are really enjoying God moving throughout the young generation now. They are really awaken. I see the hunger for Jesus, for the young peoples. I see that because of three reasons. First of all, it’s also because of the Holy Spirit. Secondly, there are a lot of worry, uncertainty, and they just need to look up for someone that can assure them a brighter future. And thirdly, because of the technology, it’s really helpful because in Indonesia there was a research saying that almost 80% of Indonesians has two cell phones. And if I’m not mistaken, each person in Indonesia spend at least four hours a day scrolling in social

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:16):
Media. Wow.

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (09:18):
Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:18):
So if we’re going to reach them, everyone has their cell phone in front of their face, we’re going to have to use our cell phones.

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (09:23):
Correct. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:24):
Wow. Well, the good thing about a cell phone is when you lead them to Jesus, you can have a salvation service right there on their cell phone.

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (09:32):
Exactly.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:33):
Yeah. Alright, well it’s so nice to talk to you and we pray for Indonesia to be saved in Jesus

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (09:39):
Name.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:40):
Thank you so much. Thank you for being on the Evangelism Podcast.

Pastor Antonius – Indonesia (09:42):
Thank you. God bless you. Bless you.

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What is God Doing in Thailand? | Phumiwanet Methiakrakul

On today’s episode of The Evangelism Podcast, Evangelist Daniel King and Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul of Thailand about the “Everyone Thailand” vision to reach 7 million people in Thailand with the gospel, which would be 10% of the country’s 70 million population. They discuss the strategic location of the city of Pitsanulok (where Daniel King is doing a crusade) as a crossroads of Indochina, with China building infrastructure like roads and railways connecting the region. We are targeting a strategic location for our upcoming crusade in the middle of Southeast Asia.

Learn More About Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul: https://www.sadudee.org/

Transcript: 

Evangelist Daniel King (00:00):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. I’m so excited to be here in the nation of Thailand with Pastor Pu. Can you say your full name, please?

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (00:13):
Yeah, my full name is Pastor Poom. I serve the Lord as Pastor in the prayer church, Bangkok, Thailand.

Evangelist Daniel King (00:23):
And you are part of the National Committee for Everyone Thailand.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (00:30):
Yes.

Evangelist Daniel King (00:30):
Tell me a little bit about the vision of Everyone Thailand.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (00:35):
Yeah. The vision from everyone. Thailand. We would like to bring the gospel to the unsaved people. At least 7 million in the whole country in Thailand? Yes.

Evangelist Daniel King (00:48):
What’s the total population of Thailand?

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (00:51):
The population is 70 plus.

Evangelist Daniel King (00:54):
70 million people.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (00:56):
Yeah, 70 million.

Evangelist Daniel King (00:57):
And so the goal is to reach at least

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (01:00):
10%. 10%,

Evangelist Daniel King (01:01):
And to see at least 7 million people come to Jesus. And this would be a huge miracle because of course at this time, Christianity is, I’ve heard one or 2% of the

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (01:13):
Nation in the Christianity is lesser than 1%. If you in include with the Catholic, yeah. Is a little bit 1% plus a little bit.

Evangelist Daniel King (01:26):
And so the goal is that at least 10% of the nation

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (01:30):
Would

Evangelist Daniel King (01:30):
Hear about Jesus and respond with faith in Jesus.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (01:35):
Yes.

Evangelist Daniel King (01:36):
What a great vision. It comes from the Lord and it’s so beautiful to see what God is doing in many different provinces and areas around Thailand. Today we are in the city of Piston law, which is a region right in the middle of Thailand.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (01:57):
Yes.

Evangelist Daniel King (01:58):
And so many different evangelists are coming and each evangelist is assigned to a different area of Thailand,

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (02:03):
Of

Evangelist Daniel King (02:04):
Course. But my assignment is this city of

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (02:08):
Pilo

Evangelist Daniel King (02:08):
And we’ve been having a Jesus camp and it’s so beautiful to see all the people

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (02:14):
That

Evangelist Daniel King (02:14):
Have come that are hungry to learn how to share about Jesus. What do you see that God is doing here in Piston low this week?

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (02:21):
It’s amazing. You see, piston law is a strategic province. Is a province is like the Indochina intersection.

Evangelist Daniel King (02:34):
It’s the intersection

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (02:35):
Intersection

Evangelist Daniel King (02:36):
Of Indochina

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (02:37):
Indochina. So that is mean that the mainland China, the Chinese, they will built up the road from the China cross to this city and then from the China down to Malaysia and Singapore, and they will build up one more line from Vietnam, Cambodia across this city to Myanmar and to India.

Evangelist Daniel King (03:07):
Wow. So really this is a very strategic place. The city of PIs Lo. So you’re saying that the Chinese government is building roads and infrastructure from China

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (03:20):
And also railway

Evangelist Daniel King (03:21):
In a railway down through Lao Laos, the nation of Laos. Into

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (03:28):
Thailand. Into Thailand,

Evangelist Daniel King (03:29):
All the way down to Bangkok and then onto Malaysia.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (03:33):
Yes, of course.

Evangelist Daniel King (03:34):
And then with the harbor and Malaysia, then you have access to Singapore, to Indonesia.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (03:39):
Indonesia.

Evangelist Daniel King (03:40):
And then from Cambodia

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (03:42):
And

Evangelist Daniel King (03:43):
Vietnam. So Vietnam come through Cambodia

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (03:46):
To

Evangelist Daniel King (03:47):
Piston law and then onto Myanmar in India.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (03:50):
India.

Evangelist Daniel King (03:51):
And so this city is very strategic. It’s the crossroads of Indochina. And I think it’s so special that God has assigned me to come here. The committee was praying which evangelists was supposed to go to which place, and God brought me here to this city. And I really believe that we will see a spark of revival here in this place that is going to spread all over Southeast Asia.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (04:21):
Yes, yes. It’s really amazing. You see, since that we have Dr. T Osborn came to Thailand two, three times. The last one that I was the director Cru for.

Evangelist Daniel King (04:35):
So you were the director,

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (04:37):
Director for

Evangelist Daniel King (04:37):
Dr. TL O Osborne, the great missionary evangelist. Yes. He came to

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (04:42):
Thailand. Yes. Yes. He came to Thailand the last time that he came to Bangkok on the 2003 after the Cru, then he finished in Bangkok. We brought him to go to the Northeast Conan province and he make the two province for the crusade. And each cru is filled with over 20 20,000 in the

Evangelist Daniel King (05:10):
Ade. And

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (05:10):
The people got saved and people got healing. And the people, so many people, it’s amazing on those times.

Evangelist Daniel King (05:18):
Well, I remember when I was a young man,

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (05:21):
I

Evangelist Daniel King (05:21):
Was going to victory Bible college in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And TL Osborne was one of our teachers. And he came and he talked about Thailand and he talked about all the miracles that God had done here in Thailand. He told one story about a man who was a leper, who was healed many years ago in the late 1950s, early 1960s. And then he became a pastor and planted many churches. And it was so neat here at the Jesus camp yesterday, the son of the leper who was healed at a Tia Osborne crusade. He was my translator. And so Tia Osborne, he told that story. And I remember when he told it, I began to pray and say, God, I pray that someday that you would send me to preach the gospel in Thailand. And I began to pray for Thailand. And now here I am. Yeah. It’s amazing. Yeah. God has sent me here. And it’s so neat with that one miracle that God did in the life of the leper many years ago, it now extended into the next generation, in the next generation. And even that story inspired me to be an evangelist. And so that shows the power of one miracle. When God does a miracle in someone’s life, it can change the entire family. Of course it can change the entire destiny

(06:51):
Of an entire region. And God can bless multiple generations, all because of one miracle,

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (06:58):
Praise God. And we will believe that the Lord will do more, not just only for this event that you coming to this event this time. So the cruise said here in the city of epi, the law, it’ll go on and on and on and on. Last night when I got back to my hotel and I keep praying and the Lord saying to me is so many words, one of the confirmation that he going to use this piece of the law inside a strategic province. That many, many speaker, many evangelists will come to this place. It is over and over many years in the next 10 years, many, many times. And they will bring the people from this city and the city, the unserved people from the outside country, they will come and see what happened in this area. And then they will bring the good news from this city back to their own country as well. So last night, I keep praying, Lord made you do it in your ma way. Yeah.

Evangelist Daniel King (08:10):
Amen.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (08:11):
Amen.

Evangelist Daniel King (08:11):
Well, you are one of the key pastors here in the nation that has invited everyone Thailand. And it’s so beautiful because different nations from around the world are sending evangelists and pastors

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (08:26):
And

Evangelist Daniel King (08:27):
People to help disciple

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (08:29):
Here

Evangelist Daniel King (08:29):
In Thailand. And really this vision of everyone, Thailand is to call the entire body of Christ from around the world to pray for Thailand

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (08:38):
Praise,

Evangelist Daniel King (08:39):
To come to Thailand, to join with the church of Thailand in the vision that God has given you to reach people for Jesus here. And so we are very honored to be a part. It is such a privilege to join with the churches of Thailand. You have been praying for so many years

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (09:00):
For

Evangelist Daniel King (09:00):
Thailand to be saved, for Thailand to come to Jesus. And God has heard your prayers. And now he is sending people from all over the world to participate. And so I am very grateful to the Lord, to be one of the evangelists who is participating in this. And we are going to be having a gospel truck for this province of piston low. It arrives today. It’s God has provided the money for the gospel truck, and we are going to send it from village to village, from place to place doing gospel truck outreaches. And we’re going to be doing youth campaigns and music festivals, and then we’ll have a big crusade here. And so we believe that many thousands of people will come to Jesus through these efforts.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (09:53):
Yes. So I would like to ask many of your team and also the leader and the pastor and also the church member in your city, Oklahoma, and also everywhere in SA or any country in the world keep praying for Thailand. So we would like to see the believer will increase from the very little bit percentage will growing up more than 10% or 20% and 30%. So our goal is if the Lord will, we would like to have seen Thai people God saved in South Africa. Yeah. We would like to see on that. So that why we keep praying. Please keep praying for us for the next 10 years. Yeah, please.

Evangelist Daniel King (10:41):
Amen. Tell me again the story of Tal Osborn when he first come.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (10:46):
Oh,

Evangelist Daniel King (10:48):
Just tell me.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (10:52):
So

Evangelist Daniel King (10:52):
When Tia Osborne first came to Thailand, the people saw Jesus. Tell me about

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (10:57):
That. Okay, so the first time Dr. T Osborne came to Thailand at the South City name is drunk. On those time that during that he pushed on the nighttime, the Lord Jesus appeared himself on the top, on the loop of the church, close to the coconut tree,

Evangelist Daniel King (11:17):
Next to the coconut tree,

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (11:18):
Next to the coconut tree, and the people that saw the Lord Jesus and the new bar, and they cry for help. That is a marvelous thing that the Lord appear himself for them.

Evangelist Daniel King (11:30):
Wow. What a great testimony. Thank you for sharing. Thank you. Well, let’s finish with a word of prayer for Thailand and let’s pray that God would pour out his spirit upon this nation

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (11:44):
And

Evangelist Daniel King (11:44):
We would see a great harvest.

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (11:45):
Thank

Evangelist Daniel King (11:45):
You. Would you lead us in a prayer for the nation of Thailand?

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (11:49):
Yeah, please. Yeah. Okay. May I pray in Thailand?

Evangelist Daniel King (11:52):
Yes, please pray under

Pastor Phumiwanet Methiakrakul (11:54):
Language. Every Father, right now, I pray you made send your mighty power of the Holy Spirit through every area, every province, and every soul, every heart, Lord made you open their eye that they can see open their eye. Hope opened their eyes at the as Dr. T Osborn, that he came to Thailand on the first time in the beginning that he start ministry at the south. The people they can see you at the coconut tree and the people that knew down and they cry and they ask for help. Lord Jesus, may you live yourself to the whole country, every province, every city. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Lord, I believe that the new believer will come up and rise up, hallelujah. From the very little of the percentage, maybe just only one percentage. Lord, will you increase to five percentage, 10 percentage, 30 percentage and 60% percentage. And Lord, and more and more increase up, hallelujah, until before that you come in. Thank you Jesus. We pray in your mighty power name, in the name of God Jesus. Amen.

Evangelist Daniel King (13:40):
Amen. And so please pray with us for the nation of Thailand. Pray that God would pour out his spirit on this nation. Thank you so much for being on the Evangelism podcast. Praise a lot. Thank you. Amen.

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