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Eric Smith | How to Build a Massive Ministry Platform

Eric Smith was the crusade director for R. W. Schambach and he ran the ministry of Evangelist Steve Hill. Now he helps hundreds of ministries with marketing, fundraising, and media exposure. Today, you will learn what happens behind the scenes to make a ministry successful.

Eric Smith leads Smith Media Group, a marketing company that makes ministry its business. He promotes ministries and helps preachers to massively increase the number of people they are able to reach with their message.

Smith Media Group is proud to support Christian-run organizations globally. They are a one-stop shop for graphic and web design, branding, marketing, media exposure and fundraising. Their clients have included Perry Stone, Christ for All Nations, Oral Roberts University, Daystar, Joyce Myer, Robb Thompson, and many others.

Here are some of the services Smith Media Group Offers: 

Targeted Ad Campaigns

Live Streaming

Direct Mail

Web Design

Speaker Management

Social Media Marketing

Media Buys

Donor Development

Video Production

Ghost Writing and Book Promotion

Website: http://smithmediagroup.com/

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Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Eric Smith was a crusade director for RW Schambach and he ran the ministry of evangelist Steve Hill. Now he helps hundreds of ministries with marketing fundraising and media exposure. Today you’ll learn what happens behind the scenes to make a ministry successful. Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a great guest. His name is Eric Smith and Eric leads the Smith media group, a marketing company that makes ministry its business. And so he helps to promote ministries and helps preachers to massively increase the number of people that they’re able to reach with their message. So brother, Eric, thank you so much for joining me today.

Eric Smith (01:28):
Thank you so much, Daniel. Appreciate the time looking forward to just to get a chance to share about all the main things God can help anybody to do to get the message of the gospel around the world.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:38):
Well, let’s start at the beginning. When you were first starting out, you were the crusade director for the great evangelist, R. W. Schambach. And I remember when I was just a little kid, my dad took me to one of RW, Sean box tent crusades in Detroit, Michigan, right in the inner city. There were so many miracles and signs and wonders. He was such a dynamic preacher. And you were helping RW Schambach to set up his events all over the United States.

Eric Smith (02:05):
Yeah, that was I cut my teeth my full time. First time ministry event with working with a full-time minister was brother R. W. Schambach and I got saved in a small assembly, got church in upstate New York. You know, and our associate pastor it was, it was in December. He got church for, for just a season. We became good close friends, long story short. He eventually starts working for brother R. W. Schambach. I was electrician by trade. Brother R. W. Schambach was starting his first tanker say in many years, because he had suffered from a heart congestive heart failure. And his tent crew had just had dissembled and his crews had dissembled. So he was ready. He was back to, you know, back in 90, 1995, he was ready to start preaching the gospel under that big gospel tent and pull the nets in.

Eric Smith (02:48):
And they had no electrician. They had no sound system. They were launching on the Friday. I got a call on a Monday night from my friend about 10:00 PM saying, Eric, Hey, how you doing? I’m doing great. How are you doing? And we began to talk a little bit, say, listen, I’m calling you because brother R. W. Schambach has need of you, sir. I was like, wow, well, what’s he Anita? He said, well, explain the situation. We’re here in Baltimore. We don’t, we have, our tent is going up. It’s not up yet. We’re behind schedule. We have no electrician. I don’t know what to who to call. I know your electrician, Eric, would you prayerfully consider coming down and helping us out? So I spoke to my wife about this. We listen to brother Schambach on radio. That 15 minute broadcast was powerful every single day.

Eric Smith (03:26):
And I talked to him, I said, look, I want to do it. So went to Baltimore, was on a plane the next day at 6:00 AM got to Baltimore and worked about 48 hours straight. Got the electric put up the generators, put in, got the sound system in. And we did TV live that first night and the very next day unbeknownst to myself. Oh, there’s some, I sat down said, son, thank you so much. I like to hire you. And that’s how I got into full-time ministry. And what an honor and a privilege I worked basically doing anything initially and and within six months, but somebody set me aside, says, son, I seen the way you handle it. Talk to people and pastors, I just love the representation who you are and what you’re about.

Eric Smith (04:06):
I wish to be a crusade director and then chills went down my spine. Oh my goodness. So tell me about brother Schambach like I’ve never done such a thing, you know, what does that entail? You don’t worry. So, and you can handle it. That’s about what I got. And and they said here here’s the schedule. So from that point on Daniel, I was responsible for a multi-million dollar budget, you know, a staff of 40, 50 people. And I was the one responsible filling up arenas, Madison square garden. So think those big tenant Rita’s getting churches on board. So it was baptism by fire, but you know what? It was the greatest experience in my life. Brother R. W. Schambach and his wife, sister soundbite became like a mom and a father to my wife and I, we traveled with them everywhere, everywhere they went. And we just, we constantly planned meetings. And then we drove brother R. W. Schambach many times from, from Texas to California or Florida. Meanwhile, I’m on the phone and, and making phone calls and putting logistics together. But you know, what a privilege it was to serve him tens of thousands would come to Christ in those States. One of the greatest advantages of the tools I have ever seen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:05):
Yeah. I loved hearing RW. Schambach preaching. He’d always say you don’t have any problems. All you need is faith in God. And that that saying has sustained me because sometimes in ministry, you, you face problems or you think you’re facing problems, but if you keep your faith in God, he will work things out. So, so then after you were working with, with Schambach, you also helped Steve Hill, the evangelist from the Brownsville revival who had such a tremendous impact in, in Brownsville, and then in other parts of the world.

Eric Smith (05:40):
Yeah, it was again, what an honor and privilege to get to that. Sometimes I pitched myself the privilege we’ve had to help serve. It’d be the armor bearers, the air and the earth for these, these, these wonderful men of God. Yes, Steve Steve reached out to me when I was working for brother Schambach and of course I was very familiar. The, with revival over 5 million people went through that church in Pensacola, Florida. I think it represented like 162 nations Kings princesses. Senators went through there. There was just, the impact was amazing. And Steve wanted to take that message across America and really around the world. And that’s when he reached out to me. And you know, what a privilege I’ll tell you, Steve was such a pure evangelist for the semi course, great preacher, pull the nets and see miracles, you know, just, you would see miracles, they just make your head spin under brother R. W. Schambach’s tent.

Eric Smith (06:25):
And he services. Steve was just like, it’s all about souls, Eric, let’s go after to associate would just start crying. We start talking about souls and what a pure evangelists. I, I can, I can think of several crusades where, you know, we’d be in Riga. I was whispered Steve film, Riga. And when he gave an altar call, it wasn’t like people would have, you know, scratch your head, make a decision, I’d go down. And sort of Steve was so passionate. I mean, bands be popping. I was Dick. You need to be saved, run down that aisle. And people literally would sprint down the aisle, almost a point where they almost crashed into the platform. They couldn’t stop in time. It was just amazing. And I mean, thousands upon thousands of people would come to Christ in those services and what a privilege it was to serve brother Steve, and for 12 years, and be his crusade director and help him out with just, just all the structure when it comes to a multi-million dollar budget. And of course, facilitating crusades. And his schedule was, you know, brother R. W. Schambach. I travel about 200 days out of the year with him, with Steve. I was traveling about 250 to 275 days out of the year. So it was just a crazy pace, but, you know, he said, Eric, it’s a short season. We’ve got to go after souls. We’ve got to do it. So what a privilege to serve those two powerful men of God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:36):
Yeah. I’m so amazed at both R. W. Schambachand Steve Hill, how their fruit continues to this day, I’ve met so many people whose lives were impacted by them and, and they are passionate about soul-winning because of Steve Hill’s passion. And so it’s just so, so amazing. Who are some of the other ministries that you’ve been able to help over the years?

Eric Smith (07:57):
No, we’ve been privileged to help hundreds of ministries, Daniel. I mean as you’re, you’re very familiar with CFAN brother Bonnke, we’ve had a chance to do several things. Your brother Bonnke you know loved his heart loved Daniel Kolenda, what Daniel is doing right now. I know you’ve done crusades with brother Kolinda as well. You know, we’ve done things with Joyce Meyers, Perry, stone you know, feed the children, just multiple other ministries. We’ve we just, you know, I, I just I thank the Lord because you know, there’s seven and a half billion people on the face of the earth. And I just, sometimes I’m amazed that people contact us, Eric lists, I’ve heard what you guys are doing. We want your help, you know, and you know, to me, it’s all about. So as the Bible says, he who wins souls is wise and what we want to do and God’s helped us is to create some strategies and ways that we can get the message out the door.

Eric Smith (08:41):
We can help facilitate ministry opportunities for literally hundreds of ministries on a weekly basis, typically on a non COVID year on a week of basis, we administer taking place. I’m usually four continents of the earth every single week. And so when I, my head down the pillow each night after working 16 hour days you know, I, I can rest at ease knowing, you know what, today we saw 37,000 people come to Christ and the next day, 24,000. And, you know, I want to take millions upon millions to happen with us. Cause that’s what it’s all about.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:10):
Amen. Let’s talk a little bit about the nuts and bolts of what you do and what you do I think is so valuable for ministries and, and for evangelists. Often people may be gifted in being on the platform, but then the organization, the behind the scenes, they need other people to come alongside them to help. And it sounds like, like you’re the type of person who really helps put people on platforms so that the anointing can, can really begin to flow out of their lives. And so your, your website says that the Smith media group is a one-stop shop for graphic and web design branding, marketing media exposure in fundraising. Can you talk a little bit about why all those things are important for a ministry to have? What, why should someone who’s in ministry care about graphics and web design and marketing? What, why is that important?

Eric Smith (10:10):
Well, it’s important for lots of reasons. You know, obviously you know, as, as an evangelist of yourself or, or other ministries, I have a compelling to go all the world preach the gospel. And I would say, of course, every evangelists has a heart, right? That’s, that’s the idea. We want to get you in churches, in front of lots of people. So you can pull the nets on a nightly basis, but we also have lots of pastors that have that same commission. They say, you know what, Eric, I love my church. That’s why that’s my first loves that. But I also want to go into all the word, preach the gospel, but you know, people don’t want to bring you in, unless they have a little understanding who you’re about. And that’s where graphics come into play. That’s where a website that represents you well comes into play because usually when a church looks to bring a speaker in, they look through several different layers, they go to a website, they want to see does this website talk about this ministry?

Eric Smith (10:54):
Do I have some videos I can watch? You know I, then they’ll go from, from a website oftentimes to social media, let me see what this guy’s posting. You know, let me see, you know, the content there. If you have a live stream or a webinar process or or a promo video, that’s huge because a pastor that brings an evangelist or a minister in, they want to get an idea of what to expect, what the posit will you leave? Well, I bring her to my church, so where that’s, where marketing and branding and these, these, these, these resources and assets that you can create to any ministry can create themselves and should have on their platforms is so important because it answers all the who, what, when and why, and a pastor, you know, they’re busy people again, the bigger the church gets, the more busy they get. They want, they want to know if there’s a minister, I should consider bringing my church. You know, I, I want to be able to look at something quickly to get an understanding what to expect and those, those, those assets, the website, the social media, the promo videos the live stream, the webinars you know, all those kinds of things play a big part in helping those people make decisions. Okay.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:56):
So let’s go through some of the things that your, your website says that you guys do, and, and, and I’ll just fire them off in and you tell briefly what it is and why it would help a ministry. So the first thing is like targeted ad campaigns. What’s that?

Eric Smith (12:12):
Yeah. That’s where, you know, nowadays people are very familiar with social media, right? With analytics on Facebook and those kinds of things. Well, you know, w with targeted ad campaigns right now, we’ve created algorithms now where our ministry, it can be so specific. For example everyone’s familiar with terrestrial TV or linear television. That’s if you’re on spectrum Comcast cable, you put commercials, you put a broadcast on. Well, we now have through set top box is the ability to track people’s tendencies. So I can be so specific when a ministry says, listen, I’m coming to Tulsa, Oklahoma. I want to do an event at this, at this convention center. I like to share with Christians I’m coming to town. So we can through 4,000 different keywords. We can now go through algorithms and we can pinpoint where people can be targeted. So they can be a part of event.

Eric Smith (12:59):
They can be part of a crusade. They can be part of a, of a church meeting. And then it’s not just through TV, but it’s also through website. So now, if you go to, for example, Fox news, to get your, your news content, or you go to ESPN, guess what your ads on there. If people now get their content through Netflix and Hulu and sling, you know, OTT devices, well, guess what, that we can create a campaign that your, your ads are there as well. So the beauty of the target ad campaign means that we can be very specific. We can be laser focused on getting your message out to specific people that we believe would resonate to hear your voice.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:33):
Another thing that you do, which I think is so important during these times of COVID, when it’s hard for audiences to get together in one place, you help people with live streaming. How, how do you help churches and ministries do live streaming?

Eric Smith (13:47):
Yeah, we have our own proprietary platform. You know, we, we, we try to keep it reasonable cost $45 a month. But in essence way, it helps ministries get their message outside the four walls of your church. Obviously, if you’ve got 200 people in front of you in the four walls of your church, because a live stream, you can literally have thousands of additional people you’re having effect on. And that’s what we want to do. Right? As, as administrators, we want to be wise stewards of our resources and our time. And if, and if we can put our more audience in front of you because of a livestream platform, obviously it makes logical sense. We have hundreds of ministries tapping into our livestream platform right now. The livestream itself helps ministries to find out. We can show analytics on a monthly basis showing that the city, the state, the County, the countries that are tuning in this gives these ministries opportunity to begin to minister to them.

Eric Smith (14:32):
You know, it encourages people to submit prayer requests in, and that bridge gets built as that bridge gets built. Now you have the ability to, to follow up with people and minister to them and encourage them. And what, what, what a lot of people do Daniel with livestream when it comes to a church it’s also a perfect medium in which if a person’s interested in coming to a they’ll watch your live stream first, they want to get and get an idea of what to, what to expect. And what happens is we find the, watch it a second time, a third time by use of the fifth or sixth time they’re coming to your church. Of course, pastors love that because now they get rooted in become, you know, become a member of the church. And when it comes to an evangelistic ministry, it’s also a great platform for the simple fact that as an evangelist you don’t have a church that supports you.

Eric Smith (15:13):
It’s people that love your heart and your passion and your ministry and the way they thank you when ministry takes place, when you’re, when a miracle takes place in someone’s life, or someone’s soul good, saved where they want to say, Hey, pastor, brother, Daniel, I want to support you because I want more people to be touched. It’s like, you’ve touched my mom, my dad, my brother, and my sister. So there’s a huge opportunity with live stream. And, you know, in a day and age with everyone being on social media, which everybody, the brother is right now, nothing wrong with it. I think there should be on there, you know, but what happens as you’re populating Facebook, you’re populating you Twitter, you’re populating Periscope. You’re propagating YouTube. You know, you want to do is you want to drive traffic back to your website and a live stream platform on your platform, drives people back to your platform, to your website, helps them become aware of your church about your children’s ministry, your youth ministry, all the events going on helps become better from it with you. And it gives an opportunity through archive process to watch the message a second or third time. So if you’re a congregation member, unfortunately, you know, I tell these statistics to pastors all the time and they get disappointed. They get depressed, but you know, they people hear about 50% of what you shared and about a 30 minutes or an hour message. So the beauty vice changes, they can go back and hear 0.2 0.3 0.4, apply underlies, and good things will happen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:23):
Let’s talk about direct mail in years past direct mail was one of the main fundraising tools that a lot of big ministries used to use. And now a lot more fundraising is done on, on digital platforms. Do you think direct mail is still an effective way to connect with people?

Eric Smith (16:42):
It is. It is. And, and, and you know, obviously you, you can see based upon age, what people’s tendencies are, right? So if you’re, if you’re basically 50 and above, people still love getting that piece in the mailbox. And you know, I we’re, we’re helping ministries right now. Honestly, sometimes we’re bringing in hundreds of thousands, some cases, millions of dollars, and it’s coming still through the mail. People love the you know, the ability to open the letter up. They want to touch it. They want to read it. They want to put it down. They want to pray about it. You know, some people are scared of electronic opportunities, right? They’re worried about their, their, their, their stuff being stolen. I mean, you hear those stories as well, but I think it comes to the point where the, the newsletter, the direct mail going to mailboxes is still effective. It’s more, if it’s more cost efficient for administration to do the electronic, cause you’re not paying for postage and those kinds of things, but again, for a lot of ministry, especially ministries who have been branded for quite some time and have a loyal followers for them, in some cases, decades, the traditional mail piece in the mailbox still makes lots of sense.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:44):
Yeah. And in our ministry, we send out a monthly newsletter and still about 80% of our income comes from the newsletter that we send out. And, but I find that younger people are moving more and more to digital platforms and, and being comfortable with, with digital giving. So I think it’s good to have a mix between those two, at least in, in my experience let’s talk about a web design. I’ve gone to some ministry websites, and I know the hearts of the ministers. They have a huge heart for the world. They’ve done really significant things, but sometimes their, their website design is just horrendous. And actually I’ve spent a lot of money this last year, helping our website and, and getting it up to where it needs to be. Talk to me, what are some of the, the elements that should be included in a good ministry web design?

Eric Smith (18:37):
Yeah. Well, again, your website represents you, it’s really your biggest marketing piece. So for the, for an audience that’s becoming familiar with you it should answer all again, the who, what, when and why what’s your purpose is what your mission is, what you’re called to do. And you know, having a, you know, a basically WordPress is pretty much the most popular platform to use for websites right now. Video is a great thing to include on that, but again, a website represents you in a spirit of excellence, and if you have old content on there and you have things on there from three months ago, six months ago, or your blog doesn’t look like it’s been posted for two years, you kinda S you kind of share a message to an audience that you probably don’t want to share. And so it’s important to have a website that again, gives a perspective person, whether it be a pastor, you know, looking for someone to bring in, you want to give them a little taste.

Eric Smith (19:26):
Maybe a promotional video is always a great thing to have, because it gives that pastor an idea of what to expect. When you come to hear your preaching, they see the demonstration to see you’re laying your hands on people, those kinds of things. But it’s also it’s one of those things where it should be, it should be a place that content is constantly is being attitude. So you’re taking old content, all content down new content, because the idea is you want to drive people back to your website on a regular basis. If your content is not changing, why would they come back a second and third time? So there is the importance of really, it’s a, it’s a piece that represents each ministry. And I get a lot of messages just get busy, and I know the situation and what happens is sometimes it seems like the websites are one less thing to think about.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:05):
Let’s talk about speaker management. I have some friends that are in the speaking business, speaking for corporations, and they would often have a speakers Bureau who would represent them. They would call different corporations and, and arrange all the details. And that’s not really common in, in churches most churches and most people who minister in churches, they’ll personally call pastors and, and, and, and set up dates for them to come speak. But what do you do representing Christian speakers?

Eric Smith (20:40):
Sure. Good question. Daniel. What, what, what I did when I was actually still working for brother Schambach, I would get call from ministries and they say, Eric, listen, I feel a component of on the worst preach. We also, but I don’t know the first step. I don’t know what to do. I don’t want to knock on doors. I don’t want to call a pastor friend say, Hey, what’d you have me come and preach. So, you know, what we’ve learned early on was that there was a real valid need out there that probably two thirds of the, of the ministers that I knew what had to do more, they wanted you to, to on a regular basis, get the message out the door. Of course, pull the nets and win souls, pray for people watch God move in services and had lives being impacted.

Eric Smith (21:12):
And goodness decades ago I launched our own speakers Bureau with a handful of people. Now we represent well over a hundred people that are preach the gospel every single week going, you know here, domestically and around the world. And the speaker’s Bureau is, is, is a place in which now traffic comes to us churches and, and, and some corporate entities will come to us and say, look, we’re looking for a minister that preaches on this specific topic. They can get a chance to take a look at our, our, our, our list of, of ministries that we’re assisting. And then they content, Hey, Eric, I love to have this speaker come in. W could you help us facilitate? We’d be happy to, and that’s what we do. It’s just, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a it’s another tool that ministries can tap into that would allow us to tap into our experience.

Eric Smith (22:01):
I’ve been to 52 countries. I’ve been to over a thousand churches personally, here in America out of the 1,665 mega churches in America. Well, that’s 2000 members, or more or more, I think I’ve been to over 40% of those churches personally. So just because relationship and people have confidence, and if we recommend somebody and the Lord course feel putting his blessing on things we see doors open up. And of course the, the beauty of is that every single day we have speakers pulling the nets in and souls are being saved.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:29):
I was looking through some of the pictures on your website, and I saw many of my friends there. Joe Odin is there Donna Schambach Erin Bagwell and other friends that, that I’ve had for for many years. And so that’s wonderful that you’re, you’re able to help them out. I know every preacher wants more places to preach because they’ve got a message burning inside to communicate to a loss world. You also do media buys, donor development, video production. You even help people with their books, with ghost writing in with with book promotion. Would you like to touch on any of those?

Eric Smith (23:09):
Yeah, sure. I mean, I think I talked to probably when it comes to books, I would say one out of two pastors, I speak, we have a book in the heart and spirit, but can they just do it on the first steps? What do I do, Eric? You know, I just don’t know the next step. So we do a couple things. So some pastors are really good writers, and then we assist them with writing the content. We’ve been a company, we become a ghost writer in many ways. So we, we, we take, we take what they’ve written, put chapters together, obviously put content, content and flow, that kind of stuff, type setting. We do the whole thing from start to finish all the design, all the artwork, even do all the marketing, get the message out the door and selling the books as well for these pastors when it comes to TV terrestrial TV is still a popular medium to it to get the gospel out the door.

Eric Smith (23:50):
Everyone’s familiar with TBN and Daystar and word networks and impact networks and CTS and, and all the other ones that are out there. But we’re also helping ministries get on ABC, NBC, CBS, and CW, and my TVs every week again, lives are being impacted by this message that goes out the door. So, you know, it’s, it’s those are, those are very important mediums. And again, if someone’s got a 28 30 produced it also allows me cause we’ve thankfully have built such great relationships with so many different platforms. I can get most ministries on a platform that reaches about 10 million people a month at no cost. All I need are 28 30. So we’re all about just winning souls to help administrators get their message out the door. And I believe as the Holy spirit puts his blessing on things increased comes, so let’s get saved, miracles happen, and most importantly, the lives are changed. So yeah, those, those are all great aspects to order development. You know, every ministry, especially evangelists, right? You don’t have a church that supports you with a tie that offerings you have to go out and, and basically through partnership what comes in helps you to plan what I can do for ministry. It’s a bill.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:56):
Part of being an evangelist is raised.

Eric Smith (24:59):
It’s a lifeline, right? It’s if money’s are coming in, you can’t go around the world and preach the gospel. You just can’t, the gospel is free, but it takes tens of thousands of dollars in some cases, hundreds of thousands of dollars to do these events. And so what the direct mail plan or direct mail is, here’s what I tell people all the time. I’m, I’m a firm believer that money follows ministry. And what I mean by that, you show people, proven ministry, people are going to want to support it, start sharing testimonies, a why being changed and what we do for ministries. Again, because a lot of ministers say, listen, Eric, I could put a message together, but I can’t write. I just can’t. So what we do is we’ll, we’ll assist them. We’ll, we’ll put together a newsletter. That’s ethically based ministry based, not crisis mail.

Eric Smith (25:37):
You know, we’re not going out of business at three days. If this money doesn’t come in, that’s not the God who we serve. We serve a God. That’s more than enough, right? That leads us in victory and triumph, everything that we face. So what we do is we put ministry ahead of them. We share what’s going on with this ministry is the impact that they’re having. And we let them know as Philippians four 17 says, Paul said this to the Philippian church when they were, when they were supporting him, he was, he said, I’m thankful that you’re here supporting them. I’m more thankful that the people are being added to your account because you’re supporting me because every person comes to Christ through what I do is being added to your account in heaven. And that’s what we do with our, with our direct mail and our partnership mail on our donor base. And our thank you letters. And our fundraising leadership ministries is we show people proof of ministry. We, we, we champion what God’s doing in the services. And when people see it, they get behind his ministries.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:26):
You also have a really cool magazine that I love called lead magazine. And you’ve been kind enough to feature some of the articles I’ve written in, in the past whose lead magazine for

Eric Smith (26:40):
Yeah. Lead magazine is really for any pastor leader that wants to just get some nuggets of truth, get, get some ideas or suggestions. And what’s working for one will work for you. You know, Bible says this, that, you know, when you’re faithful little, he gives you more and he’s not a respecter of persons. Right. So what he does for Daniel Kolenda, he’ll do for Daniel King or he’ll do for Donna Schambach. And and so w w what leads all about is giving people, proven ideas, proven strategies ministry opportunities where, you know, you get a chance to pour your heart into someone, encouraged someone, pastors by the thousands and ministers in general, by the thousands leave ministry every single month because of depression and giving up, and then listening to the, to the devil, lie to them that they just can’t do it.

Eric Smith (27:23):
They’re a failure. You know, what we want to do lead magazine is plant seeds or righteousness and encourage people and say, you know what? You can do. You can go forward and just keep your hands in a pole and keep Hom, because God’s going to do great things on your behalf. And, you know, we’re privileged almost a hundred thousand pastors receive lead magazine right now, almost 1.2 million people started 10 years ago with about 4,000 pastors getting it and has grown organically to those numbers. So we’re just, we give God praise for what he’s done.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:47):
Wow. That’s amazing what a tremendous platform. Well, if someone’s interested in, in what you do, or they want to talk to you more and, and, and find out if you can help them, what’s a way that they can get in touch with you.

Eric Smith (28:01):
The best way to reach out to us is going through our website, which is Smith media group.com. Or you can go to, you know, if you want, if you’re more of the traditional guy, you can go to their phone number (419) 224-6010 is our office number. You know, I talked to pastors probably over a hundred pastors a week and give counsel, we’ll give guidance. People wanted to ask questions. I’m here available. My team are here and available to ask questions. You know, to our, our, our heartbeat is to be the errand or for ministry. So again, people like yourself, Daniel could be focused on the prayer and study the word, let us handle logistics on the backside. What are be, you know, we handle lots of social media for, for hundreds of ministries. You know, we handle the newsletters.

Eric Smith (28:41):
We handle the live stream. We handle this scheduling events. We handle interviews on worldwide television, all around the world, which you’ve been on several of those as well. And you know, that way you can just make sure God you’re doing what God’s calling you to do. And our strength is, is, is the behind the scenes stuff. And what I tell pastors all the time is that, listen, if no one ever knows Eric’s misnamed, I am perfectly comfortable with that. I, if I never have to grab a microphone, I am perfectly comfortable that there’s times in which I have to talk to hundreds of thousands of people can put some structure with ushers and all their teams that kind of step in. If I didn’t have to do that, I would, I’d be raising my hands, praising God, that’s just not who I am. I’m forced to do it because it’s one of the positions rolls out to play. But you know, what I wanna do is again you know, for those that have questions one guidance want to have a conversation. I, I do my best and make myself available my team available. So we can just give about counsel and help people any way we possibly can.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:35):
That’s awesome. I love what you do because so many ministries need help in various areas. And I’ve found that ministries have strengths in, in, in one area, but they might be weak in another area. And so that’s where someone like you can come alongside and help make the entire ministry strong. And so the, the marketing, the, the work that goes into making a ministry successful, it is so important. And, and many times people don’t think about it. They don’t really see it, but if it’s missing, it’s really noticeable in a ministry. So thank you for what you do. It’s extremely valuable and a great blessing to the body of Christ.

Eric Smith (30:14):
It’s my pleasure, my honor. It’s what we’re called to do, you know, let her, let her, Ravenhill told Steve Hill one time when Steve was an, a missionary evangelist in Argentina and he was saying, you know he’s watching, you know, Benny hand fill arenas of 18,000 people and said, Leonard, I want to have one on one. I want to preach the gospel for an 80,000 people. And he said, and then he would call it Steve, Stevie. I said, Stevie, listen, draw yourself a circle and stay inside your circle. And what letter meant by that. So, you know what? You have specific gifts and callings, don’t be Benny Hinn, be Stateville. And as you’re faithful and being Steve Hill, God will bring more to you. And then about a decade later, the were viable to golf and Steve, you know, was preaching and some of the biggest arenas around the world.

Eric Smith (30:52):
So I encourage any, any, any minister, right? That’s a follow up, follow up with Leonard. Ravenhill told Steve Hill, draw yourself a circle, understand your gifts and talents. And don’t divert from that. Keep your hands in a blocky Palm, because God is faithful to bring increase. And who’ll be the one that opens doors for you. And, and what we find at Smith media group is that we love being the, the people that Bible says Matthew seven, seven, ask and keep on asking, seek and keep on seeking, knock and keep on knocking. What we’d like to do is we’d like to be the knockers for ministry to say, listen, we have a great ministry. We believe would be a great opportunity for have you come. And that we through our resources and through our contacts, allow them to say, we’d love to have them good things happen when these ministries go out and more importantly, Jesus glorified, everything that they do.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (31:33):
That’s awesome. Well, brother, Eric, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast and thank you for coaching ministries and coaching evangelists and helping them to do what God’s called them to do.

Eric Smith (31:45):
Thanks so much for having me, Daniel. God bless you, sir. God bless you. Bye bye. All right.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (31:50):
And that was one. Well, thank you so much for listening today. This was some tremendous wisdom from Eric Smith on what goes on behind the scenes to make a ministry successful. If you learn something today, could you do me a favor, go to Apple iTunes, find the evangelism podcast with Daniel King and leave us a review. And while you’re there, subscribe to the show. So you don’t miss out on any of the interviews with great men and women of God from around the world. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (32:21):
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Wes Carter | How to Start a 501c3 Non-Profit Organization

As an Evangelism Coach, I am frequently asked, “How do I start a ministry?” Today, we are going to talk about how to start a 501c3 non-profit organization in the United States and  we are joined by Wes Carter who is an attorney with Winters King Incorporated.

In order to accept donations in the United States, it is important for ministries to be incorporated as a 501c3 organization. When I started my ministry, the law offices of Winter’s, King, and Associates helped me with the paperwork. Today, Wes Carter who is a lawyer with Winter’s, King and Associates will explain the legal process for starting a non-profit organization.

Questions for Wes Carter:

What is a 501c3 organization?

Why is it important for ministries to be incorporated as a 501c3 organization?

What is the process for starting a 501c3 organization?

What information should be in a ministry’s Articles of Incorporation?

What is the difference between incorporating at the state level and securing a 501c3 designation from the IRS?

How much does it cost to incorporate? For incorporation, Winters King charges a flat fee of $950. Then depending on what form is filed with the IRS, securing 501c3 status costs between $1200-$2500. So the whole process can cost between $2,500-$4,000.

How long does the process take?

Once an organization is incorporated, what are the requirements for the organization to remain in compliance with the law?

What are some of the things a 501c3 organization can do, and what are some of the things they cannot do?

Website: wintersking.com

Contact Number for Winters King Incorporated: 918-4946868

If you need coaching in starting your ministry, please talk to Evangelism Coach Daniel King.

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
As an evangelism coach I’m frequently asked, how do I start a ministry today? We’re going to talk about how to start a 501c3 nonprofit organization in the United States. And we’re talking to West Carter who is an attorney with winters King incorporated, an organization that has set up thousands of 501c3 non-profit organizations.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:27):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelists

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:06):
In podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. One of the questions I’m frequently asked by people who are starting out in ministry is how do I start a 501c3 organization in order to accept donations in the United States? It’s important for ministries to be incorporated as a 501c3 organization. And so when I started my ministry, the lawyer’s office that helped me out with all the paperwork and applying for that status was winters King and associates. And today we have a lawyer West Carter who is with winters King and associates. And he’s going to explain the process of starting a nonprofit organization, Mr. West, thank you for being here today. It was my pleasure. So let’s start out by answering the question. What is a 501c3 organization?

Wes Carter (02:03):
A 501c3 organization is just what the people call the someone who’s tax exempt. So they’re not, we’re talking about a federal income tax exemption, which essentially means that you’re usually a corporation, but on top of that, you also have a special tax status with the IRS that allows you to take tax deductible donations, as well as you can have an exemption from income tax. So you’re not paying income tax at the federal level for, you know, what money you bring in in this case. Usually donations ties offerings. Usually it also means you’re exempt on the state level as well. Although some, some States you have to file a separate income tax exemption with the state.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:46):
Okay. So winters King and associates is a lawyer’s office here in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and you guys have helped thousands of organizations file for the 501c3 status. And so you guys are experts at every time I talk to people here in the Oklahoma area about doing fiber ones. They always say, I talked to winners King and they helped me out. And so you guys have been responsible for helping out a lot of people. Do, do you help people in other States as well?

Wes Carter (03:18):
Well, we do. And actually it’s just winters and King ain’t now it was winter’s King associates, I think when we set yours up. But yeah, so we, we, we do a lot of this. We’ve been doing it since the early eighties and we have, you know, we have clients in all 50 States a whole, a whole bunch of different foreign countries. Obviously we don’t set them up and foreign countries, but we have people that go into foreign countries or we have attorneys we work with in other countries to help set those up as well. So it is something that we can talk to people about in all 50 States. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:48):
Why is it important for ministries to be incorporated as a 501c3 organization?

Wes Carter (03:53):
So that’s a great question. So, you know, there’s a lot of specially in the last couple of years, people who would prefer to avoid as much legal formality as they can for various reasons. But the incorporation part is very important because without it, all we have is a group of individuals. So if you and I are running a ministry, we don’t have a corporation, then it’s just you and I, the people out there running a ministry, and if anything goes wrong, nobody’s there to Sue except you and me, the individual. So what one of the best benefits of having a corporation is that you have a separate legal entity there that operates the activities that separate entity then provides some separation and protection so that if the ministry has a debt or get sued, then you’re not responsible for the debts, the liabilities in the ministry, just because you might be the founding minister or on the board or one of those things.

Wes Carter (04:49):
So the, probably the best way it provides a benefit to you as the minister or the missionary or pastor, is that, you know, it protects the people that are involved from a, from a personal standpoint. And also it allows you to keep everything separate. The people I run into that are especially missionaries or itinerant ministers, they’re taking donations or putting in their personal checking account. And then they have to count every penny that comes in as income, and they’re trying to write off expenses. And so it gives you somewhere where you can keep everything separate here. This is the ministry stuff for the churches stuff. This is my stuff. And so that becomes very important too, because the more you mix the two, it just, all kinds of things can go wrong.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:33):
And then another benefit is giving the tax deductible receipts. What, how does that help people?

Wes Carter (05:39):
So, you know, if I make a donation to your ministry, most people expect that they’re going to be able to write that off on their, on their tax returns. You know, they get a deduction on their personal tax return. And so that’s one big benefit because you know, your $5, $10 people may not be that big of a deal, but once you start getting large donors, it becomes a big deal for them or corporate donors. They, you know, they want to do that. Also, if you deal with any kind of private foundations, they’re limited to only giving to 501c3 organizations. And if you start getting where you’re sharing resources or getting support from other churches and ministries, they have to be very careful and almost, you know, never can give to for-profits because we can’t just take our non-profit money and give it to a for-profit. So by having a 501c3, then you’re opening all those doors as well. Also having your 501c3 comes in handy with a variety of vendors. I mean, if you want a nonprofit PayPal account, or if you want nonprofit postage rates, I mean, all those things are kind of based on your 501c3 status. So, you know, it provides benefits in a number of areas.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:48):
So what’s the process for starting at 501c3 organization.

Wes Carter (06:55):
So I like to think of it basically in two phases. Okay. Phase one, we have to set up the corporation itself, phase two, we look at applying to get your 501c3 status with the IRS. Phase one, you’re looking at essentially filing articles of incorporation with your home state to create the entity, get you a taxpayer number. What’s called an employer identification number a lot, bill called an EIN. And then we’re doing bylaws, which are perhaps the, one of the most important governing documents. And you know, your first set of minutes, those kinds of things put together the corporate book. Now you have a, an entity that’s up and running. You can take those documents to the bank, open a bank account, have a separate bank account to deposit the money. And that’s kind of phase one. Now there are other little side issues.

Wes Carter (07:44):
Sometimes you’re dealing with in phase one, like I said, sometimes varied on the state, filing a little income tax exemption with the state, or some States require you to register what they call charitable solicitations registration, where many States exempt religious organizations. But it’s always something to look at. See if you have to register with the attorney and journal that as a charity, the second phase then is applying with the IRS. And there’s a number of nuances there, but generally speaking churches are inherently exempt as a 501c3. If you meet the IRS criteria of a church, the main ones being regular worship services, your services are open to the public. All your, your whole congregation is not all family and it’s not all cousins and aunts and uncles. Then you’re having inherent exemption as a 501c3 without even applying.

Wes Carter (08:36):
Now, again, those other benefits, the, the corporate corporate, well, the other benefits of having 501c3 status, the, you know, the, the, the nonprofit vendors, the, the taxes I’m trying to state level, there’s still reasons why it’s always usually a good idea for a church to go ahead and get 501c3 status by applying and getting in the IRS is, you know, list of [inaudible] ministries. Don’t have that ministries. You’re not a 501c3 until the IRS says you’re a five Oh one C3. So with ministries there are now two applications you can use. One’s the form, 10 23. And then they have a form 10 23 EZ. Now the easy version, the biggest hurdle usually is you have to be able to say that you don’t project to go over $50,000 in revenue in any one of your first three years. So it’s designed for smaller organizations the filing fees, the attorney’s fees, everything’s lower on the easy application. And then they have the regular 10 23, that all that has been updated. It’s been the same form that you’ve used for decades to file for your 501c3 status.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:42):
So a church receives 501c3 status. They, they, they, they meet the criteria for it, but then a ministry that is like a para-church ministry, a ministry that maybe is doing missions, or maybe is, is feeding the poor, something like that. They would need to apply in order to, to, to get the status,

Wes Carter (10:06):
Correct. They have to apply and the church can apply. The IRS has a portal now where you can go online and search exempt organizations, look, people up, which people are starting almost like a Google, a business, you know, to look up the reviews, they’re looking it up to see if you’re really exempt. And again, corporate donors, if you start working with schools and things like that as a church, there’s a variety of reasons why we usually advise clients to go ahead and file for your 501c3.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:29):
What criteria is the IRS looking for to see if an organization should qualify for the status

Wes Carter (10:38):
For just 501c3 status. So they’re looking to make sure you’re organized correctly. There’s some specific language you have to have in the articles of incorporation that talk about, you know, you won’t engage any improper, private benefit was just means, you know, you’re not using non-profit resources to benefit individuals that unless they’re, you know, part of a charitable class that you’re not gonna engage in political activity, that if you dissolve, which is the legal term for killing off a corporation, if you dissolve the corporation, go away, you’re required to donate all of your property to another 501c3. So it stays being used for a charitable religious purpose.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:13):
So it’s a, it’s a public corporation. And usually it would be, or always, it would be governed by a board rather than an individual. Well, what are some of the criteria you should look for in appointing board members?

Wes Carter (11:31):
So it’s a great question. And as I mentioned, your bylaw, your articles of incorporation are typically there’s things that have to go in there. And they’re just, you know, there’s not a whole lot of extra things you add in your bylaws are where all the nuts and bolts are. And one of the most important thing is your, your, your board. So even though it’s run by a board, one of the things we often talk to our ministers is setting it up as a founder, strong or pastor strong setup, which, which I re you know, kind of just my terminology I use, but where we let the minister appoint and remove the board members. And that way the minister can make sure that they don’t lose control of their own organization. So with that being said, you know, my advice usually for how to pick the board members is you want someone who usually has their own thing going on that they’re, you know not necessarily take the risk that they decided they’re going to do this better than you can that is going to support your vision.

Wes Carter (12:33):
But also you don’t want a bunch of us people on there. I mean, you want people who will question, call you out if they think there’s a concern, but then with you as the lead visionary as the lead minister, once the decision’s made, then, you know, they’ll, they’ll get behind you and still support you, but you don’t want people who are just going to say yes to everything, because that’s just not healthy, you know? Yeah, no, one’s perfect. The more, the more ideas, the more, you know, wisdom we can get in the room, usually the better decisions we’re going to make. So those are kind of the, the, the qualifications for the board members. I mean, because they can run the gamut where it’s friends, other ministers on the board, people who are involved in the ministry itself you know, so, but a lot of times it comes down to the individual people, but you do want to be very careful.

Wes Carter (13:22):
And if you end up with an organization where the board appoints and removes itself, by email, by majority vote, then those items become drastically more important because you have the risk of, you know, 10 years down the road after you’ve built this up with your blood, sweat, and tears and prayers that, you know, someone votes one day that they just don’t need you anymore. And they’re going to go on without you. So you know, picking the board members are very important but it’s really people who are going to support you, but not pander to you, I guess, would be one way to put it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:55):
Is there a minimum number of board members you need to have

Wes Carter (13:58):
A minimum of three. The IRS likes to see these days, they’ll strongly encourage us to have at least half not be in the same family. But we need at least three members.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:10):
How much does it cost to incorporate and then apply for the 501c3 designation from the IRS?

Wes Carter (14:18):
Well, what we do since we do so many of these, what we do is we charge a flat fee. So for the incorporation process, we charge a flat fee of nine 50 for the attorney’s fee plus whatever the filing fees are with the state, which vary from state to state.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:31):
So the incorporation happens at a state level, correct. And you incorporate in a state. So my organization King ministries is incorporated here in the state of Oklahoma. Does Oklahoma have filing fees for being a corporation?

Wes Carter (14:49):
Yeah. And so in Oklahoma, we’re usually at about $75 as what, cause they have a filing fee and then they have an online fee. They tack on top of it. But usually we’re looking at about 75. Then they range anywhere from $25 up to $200 is probably the max I’ve. You know, if we got to look at all the States. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:09):
And so it’s at the incorporation level that you are writing the bylaws, explaining the purpose of the organization, establishing what it’s going to do. What are some of the recommendations that you make for the bylaws, what needs to be in there?

Wes Carter (15:27):
So the bylaws are going to have your tenants of faith, which for religious organization, I believe is very important to have that in black and white. Sometimes those tenants of faith will include statement on instance, marriage and sexuality. You know, some of the hot button topics. We mentioned the board, probably one of the most important ones, how the board members are elected or appointed how they’re removed your officers. Usually you have a president, secretary, treasurer, and a corporation. A lot of times, those are the same people as the board, but you just have to understand those two different hats. So, you know, if there’s three of us were three of us were on the board, your president, I’m secretary he’s treasurer, we’re all three of the same people, but we’re serving in two different roles, the board and the officer. So the officers also have provisions on how they’re appointed and removed.

Wes Carter (16:12):
So for instance, if the senior pastor is the president, you’re looking at not only how’s the senior pastor mood as a board member, but how is the senior pastor removed or appointed as an officer as well? Cause you can have a situation where I remove you as president, but you have a lifetime service on the board, but you know, you lose half of your power. All, you know, now you’re just a board. You’re not seeing your pastor anymore. You’re just a board member. Usually we have a, you know, talk about conflict of interest policy so that we’ve got a transaction where one of us have a financial interest in it. How do we work through that process? We have a lot of these things are things that are unique to our bylaws are unique to religious corporations, but for instance, how we’re going to use our facilities in a scriptural way, you know, some, some language about not using our people or our stuff in a way that would contradict our tenants of faith to help guard against, you know, things that, you know, trying to guard against obligations, where we’re going to have to hold a Vince, for instance, at our building that will completely go be, you know, against our, one of our beliefs.

Wes Carter (17:18):
So it’s, it’s, it’s things like that. How the hollow bylaws are amended. If, if it’s a church, many times we’ll address ordination in the bylaws, you know, that we give the church the power to ordain other ministers. But really the things that, you know, when you’re starting it up, if, if you get bylaws you’re reviewing or an attorney or someone gives you bylaws, I would say the first two places to start there, the most important are what the, the board and the officers because I’m guessing that you already have a tenants of faith that you’re comfortable with.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:53):
So to incorporate you guys charge $950 flat fee. And so that’s at the state level, but then after you’ve secured your incorporation at the state level, then you have to apply to the, the IRS, the internal revenue service for the five Oh one C3 designation so that you can give tax deductible receipts. So talk me through that process after you secure that incorporation, then what happens?

Wes Carter (18:22):
So after you get incorporated, then the way we do it is we have a questionnaire that we have you fill out and then we take all that information, review it, reword it, take words, you know, buzzwords in and take buzzwords out that kind of a thing and fill out the application itself. And again, depending on which application you use, the easy version for smaller organizations is only a couple pages long. The regular application can be, you know, dozens and dozens of pages long. So you know, that process looks like essentially you filling out a questionnaire to get us answers. I mean, there’s a lot of questions on the regular 10 23, about how you approve compensation, your budgets are you operating in foreign countries? You know, just the whole gamut of the activities that you can expect every year. They just get a little more complicated with these forms.

Wes Carter (19:17):
And if we use the easy application, what we do is we go ahead and give you our full questionnaire. It’s actually a little bit longer because we have to make sure you qualify for the easy we review all of that information on the front end to look for. Cause what part of what we’re doing is looking for red flags saying, Hey, Daniel, you shouldn’t do it this way before we file. We need to change this, you know, your, your, the way you’re selling your books through your ministry that you own. Personally, we need to tweak this a little bit. And we go ahead and do all of that and review it. We just don’t give any of that information to the IRS. We use the simplified application and use the shorter version. So then we fill out the forms we apply. We send in the application to the IRS, they’re all online.

Wes Carter (19:55):
Now we submit them online beginning of this year. And then we wait. The IRS over the years takes anywhere from 30 days to 18 months. You know, right now probably averaging about four or five months on the regular applications from when we hear back after we file. We’re probably one thing that’s important for your listeners to understand is the way the process works is as long as you file your 10 23 application, your 501c3 application within 27 months. So when you incorporate, you know, that date, we’ll talk about filing with the state. You don’t want to wait that long, but that’s the maximum. If they approve the application, they’ll make your 501c3 status retroactive back to your date of incorporation, which means once we start, your ministry can take anywhere from a couple of days to a week or two at the state level, you can start doing ministry activities, taking donations, having events, things of that nature while we’re waiting on the IRS to process the application. Because as long as they approve the application, it’s going to be, everything’s gonna be retroactively tax deductible to your donors and tax exempt from an income tax standpoint. So you can

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:09):
Start ministering. You don’t have to wait for everything to finish, to start ministering, correct. You get in the process, you can start ministering and once you are approved, then you can go back and give a letter to your donors saying that they get it

Wes Carter (21:25):
Right? So this time of year it’s easier because hopefully we get everything wrapped up. By the end of the year, when we transitioned between two calendar years for tax purposes, then we just have to be a little careful what those receipts look like, because we don’t want to be dishonest with our donors obviously, and say, we are a 501c3 on the receipts for the donations, but rather we explain we’re in the process of applying when it’s approved, it’ll be retroactively deductible. So they still have a contemporaneous document of that. They gave a donation. So things still try to claim it on the taxes. How long does

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:56):
The incorporation at the state level typically take our States faster than the other?

Wes Carter (22:00):
Oh, much faster. Some States are slow, but most States like Oklahoma. If I file articles, I usually have it back by the next day. Most States are a couple of days. The RFU States where you still mail stuff in, so it can take a couple of weeks, but a couple of weeks is still much faster than what you’re looking at with the IRS.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:17):
So the incorporation can take days, but the, the 501c3 from the IRS could take a month, several months up to 18 months, you said so. Yeah. And you just have to be patient

Wes Carter (22:31):
Exactly. Because once you file it, you thought of your hands. There is an expedite process, but the bar bar so high to use it that it’s I’ve only even thought we had a chance to use it once out of the thousand. Okay. I mean, you basically have to be able to show that if they don’t exploit your application, your organization will be dead by the time they get to it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:50):
So once an organization is incorporated, they’ve secured the 501c3 designation. What are some of the requirements for the organization in order to remain in compliance with?

Wes Carter (23:02):
That’s a great question. So most 501c3 is have an annual report. They filed with the IRS called a form nine 90. So that’s it. You don’t have to file a tax return, but you file an annual informational return. Not very important to file. There’s a few versions of that, again, depending on your level of revenue, how much money’s coming in. But if you don’t file that for three years in a row, they will revoke your 501c3 status. You’ll have to go apply again to get it back. Now churches are exempt from that. The common theme hitters churches are special. But churches do not file a 990. So if anyone out there is wondering, look, I’m going to be a church and a ministry, which ones should I be? The is always get church status if you qualify for both, because they also have special audit protections.

Wes Carter (23:51):
The IRS has to jump through some very specific hoops to audit a church. So not filing a nine 90 is something particular to churches in the religious world. Outside of the IRA. Now you also have your taxes. So from a tax side, and if you have employees, you have to follow your employment tax filings and things like that. Or we’re just talking at the corporate level here at the state level you could have an annual report to file at the state level as well, depending on the state we talked about some States have a charitable solicitations registrations where basically the attorney journal once charities to register with it. So he knows, or she knows that they’re around and out there. But many religious organizations are exempt from that as well at the state has an annual report. You know, like with the secretary of state, the corporations, part of the bureaucracy, most of the time nobody’s exempt from that most of the time, you know, everyone’s filing the annual report. If that’s part of the state process,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:49):
Does Oklahoma have a annual report? No.

Wes Carter (24:52):
Nope. Nope. There is a little bit of an annual tax thing where he shows you a fire lines, but Oklahoma, Oklahoma is a very easy place to do business.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:01):
I like Oklahoma. Yeah. Okay. So your organization, winters King incorporated. Does this process, how can people get in touch with you if they’re interested in, in starting their own ministry or

Wes Carter (25:15):
Sure, sure. You can. You can email us. We have a contact form on our website, which is wintersking.com, W I N T E R S K I N G.com. Or you can just give us a call at (918) 494-6868 (918) 494-6868.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:32):
Well, if you are planning on starting a ministry, I’d encourage you to get incorporated to get your five Oh one C3 status so that you can open up bank accounts so that you can give tax deductible receipts. And so everything is proper and legal for your organization. And Winter’s King did a great job with my articles of incorporation and helping me out. And so I recommend them. So thank you Mr. West Carter for being with us today.

Wes Carter (26:01):
I appreciate it. It’s my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:04):
God bless you. If this information about how to start a 501c3 organization is useful for you today, could you do me a favor? Go find the evangelism podcast on Apple iTunes and leave us a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this information. Thank you. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (26:28):
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Bryan Citrin | Merging Marketing and Ministry Using the Power of Leadflows

Bryan Citrin is a Business Entrepreneur who has a heart for ministry. First he was a campus missionary with Chi Alpha (https://chialpha.com) on the campus of UCLA. Then he started going on mission trips to Haiti and Vietnam. To pay for it all he started a marketing business. He is in the Two Comma Club with an online marketing company called ClickFunnels which means his company has earned more than a million dollars in revenue from online marketing. Now he owns his own company called LeadFlows.com. He is an expert in both marketing and ministry.

Check out Bryan Citrin’s digital marketing company here: leadflows.com

Forbes Articles from Bryan Citrin:

Four Pillars Every Entrepreneur Should Balance to Help Find Purpose: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theyec/2020/10/13/four-pillars-every-entrepreneur-should-balance-to-help-find-purpose/?sh=34c47aeabfc7

Six Ways to Create a Philanthropic Culture in Your Business: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theyec/2019/03/29/six-ways-to-create-a-philanthropic-culture-in-your-business/?sh=48a5894c6e69

Article About Ministry in Vietnam: https://news.ag.org/en/News/Refugee-Becomes-Ministry-Pioneer?D=%7B1363B7E2-EDBD-4DD4-B69C-A160FF74CF6C%7D

In order to receive receive resources that will help you raise money for your ministry text the word “Growth” to 918-265-3050.

If you want coaching in starting your ministry, please talk to Evangelism Coach Daniel King.

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Brian Citron is a minister who has also had articles published by forbes.com. He understands both business and ministry, and he’s an expert in digital marketing. He recently started his own company called lead flows.com. And today he explains why every ministry and church needs to take advantage of the enormous possibilities offered by his amazing software.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:28):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelist

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:06):
Podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest. His name is Brian Citron, and he is a marketing genius. He is a published author with forbes.com. One of the premier business websites in the world. He has been involved in ministry for many, many years, but he also happens to be a marketing genius. And so his specialty is entrepreneurship and doing online marketing. Brian, thank you so much for being with me today.

Bryan Citrin (01:45):
Thanks so much Daniel excited to be here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:47):
So tell me a little bit about why marketing is important for ministries.

Bryan Citrin (01:53):
Marketing is important for ministries because the gospel’s free, but the ministry cost money. And you have to have a way to let people know about your ministry and you have to let them know in relevant matters, how things are going with your ministry. And so it’s crucial that you leverage the latest strategies and tools to the fundraise. Let your donors know what’s been happening, et cetera. On the same way you see big ministries, fundraising, or you see like political campaigns, fundraising the same way your ministry should leverage those tools to make your stuff known. Because the more resources you have coming in, the bigger impact you can make around the world for the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:29):
Now, fundraising has really changed over the years. I remember hearing my dad tell stories about working for or Roberts and back in the day, or Roberts would send out literally millions of letters and my dad would help to stuff the letters and do direct mail marketing. But now a lot of the funds that ministries are able to raise, have moved from getting a letter in the mail, which people tend to look at it and they throw it in the can to, to now a lot of the marketing is happening online and people are sharing their stories online. They’re, they’re communicating with people online, through their cell phones. Everyone carries a cell phone with them everywhere that they go. And so a lot of the ministries that are really effective at raising money now have moved a lot of their, their fundraising from the physical realm into the digital realm. And so Brian, you’ve been very involved in the digital realm as an entrepreneur, as a businessman. What are some of the things that you’ve done in the digital realm to, to help

Bryan Citrin (03:39):
Build businesses? Hey that’s a great question. I first want to say I’m in a Forbes agency council. So I’m looked at as an expert, not just for ministries, but businesses and business leaders. Look to me as an expert in the marketing agency arena for like online marketing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:56):
Let’s talk a little bit about your credentials for a second here. Several years ago, I remember you showing me a website called click funnels and with click funnels, if you design a website that people go, they, they put in their information and then they start receiving emails and, and different ways of reaching out to people. And the goal is to, to sell a product and then maybe sell another product. First you sell like maybe a $7 digital download. And then later you say, we also have this hundred dollar video that has some more information. And then you say, and by the way, we have a thousand dollar coaching program that you can get in on. And then if you get in on that, then maybe there’s a $10,000 super-duper conference that you can go to. And so that’s why it’s called a click funnel because it’s this funnel that funnels people through from first impressions, all the way down to becoming a an investor basically in, in, in whatever it is that the person selling. So I remember you, you showing that to me and, and then you actually got in the two comma club with click funnels, which this is a really big deal in the digital marketing world. What’s the two comma club

Bryan Citrin (05:17):
The two comma club means that my company has made two commas or over a million dollars from a single sales funnel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:23):
And you’ve done that helping businesses. This, this was not ministry related. You were doing it more in the business realm. Tell me a little bit about what type of business you were involved in.

Bryan Citrin (05:34):
Sure, sure. So I own chiropractic advertising.com and both my parents and my uncle are chiropractors. So we’ve been focusing in the healthcare niche and we’ve been creating online marketing campaigns for these chiropractors and charging them a lot of money to build out these whole campaigns, where we run their ads online, targeting new patients. We create online websites for them, landing pages. We create online scheduling and a bunch of backend texts, automation, voicemail, automation, email automation, all this stuff, all in the healthcare space.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:03):
Now why do chiropractors pay you a lot of money?

Bryan Citrin (06:08):
Chiropractors paying me a lot of money because I make them a lot of money.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:10):
So they’re, they’re not just paying you because they like you, you are making the money with these systems. You are helping them to, to get more customers, to make more money in their business. And so it’s worthwhile. They give you a dollar, they get back $5 or $10.

Bryan Citrin (06:27):
I remember one chiropractor. He told me that I made him an additional 40 plus thousand dollars in his first, like 40 days over half of that was paid up front. He made me a testimonial video, six months later saying that he made over $175,000. And I know that over a hundred thousand was paid upfront.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:49):
I think this is so valuable because ministries need money and they can use the digital space in order to do fundraising. And you’ve been very successful in helping businesses, but you also have a huge heart for ministry. So you spent a lot of time as a missionary to the campus of UCLA over in California, you’ve also gone a bunch of missing strips to, to Haiti, to, to Vietnam. And so you are very much called to be a minister, and you’ve seen ways that ministries can adapt this technology that you’ve learned about for the ministry. Tell, tell me about some of those ways that people can use the technology.

Bryan Citrin (07:37):
Sure. everybody, you should have a database of your, your donors and your potential donors. Every single ministry needs to have a database. That’s your most valuable asset names, numbers, and emails of people that believe in you that either getting ministry updates, maybe they’re getting devotionals, or maybe they’re your process. You’re reaching out to them for, you know, solicitation for mission trips. So you need to have that database, but you need to be actively engaging that list. So you need to be sending out emails to this list. Of course. And that’s a lot of people are saying emails, but what a lot of people are not doing is they’re not seeing out text messages. And the problem is a lot of emails. They go to spam filters, but there’s actually a way to send out mass text messages at scale. And it makes it look like you’re personally texting them, but really it’s like a VIP ministry line that you can text them. And then when they respond, you can have a go to your cell phone automatically and texts back and forth with this private VIP line through our app or from like the app on the mobile desktop or on the phone. And they’re really, you know, scale out your your ability to cultivate relationships.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:43):
Okay? So this is not just one solution. This is a bunch of different things that ministry should be doing. So in that paragraph that you mentioned there, you mentioned email marketing. You mentioned having a database with all the different names and addresses and, and, and emails and phone numbers of, of the donors. You mentioned texting, and you mentioned apps. Now I know a lot of different resources are available out there. And sometimes you could go to five or six different companies to figure out how to do all this. So one company would, would do funnels and then another company would do an email than another company would do text messages, but you’ve been developing a resource that brings all of these different applications together into one place.

Bryan Citrin (09:45):
Absolutely. So when I first started my digital marketing company, you’d mentioned ClickFunnels. I use ClickFunnels, I use like five or six or seven other programs. I had to have a program for call tracking. I had had a program for automated two-way texting. I had to have a program for making outbound calls. I had to have a program that connected things together. I had to have a program for sending emails. I think I mentioned the funnels already. I had to have a program for sending voicemail drops to people. I had that all these different things connected, and then it was like an another software to be the glue connect, everything together. You had to have another program for online forums. It was crazy and it was just like, everything

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:24):
Is different programs, cost you X number of dollars a month.

Bryan Citrin (10:27):
And I was paying every month and I’m paying for all this software to make it all work together. But now, you know, I have this software and I actually just wrote an article on Forbes about this about how you can leverage all this, all the software and how you can even consolidate software. So like, I, I recently wrote this article in beginning of December, it got published, it says four important habits. Every marketing entrepreneur should implement them in leveraging software. And one of the things we talk about is try to consolidate all your software into one spot. So it’s easy. And so we’ve actually consolidate all the software into one spot and create a simple solution that ministries can use to cultivate and deepen relationships with their donors. So they can not only, you know, get prayer requests out to their donors, but are also able to give them ministry updates, et cetera.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:19):
So tell me what the name of your, your software,

Bryan Citrin (11:23):
Where is the name of the software is lead flows.com.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:26):
So what, what is, what does that mean? What’s a lead flow?

Bryan Citrin (11:28):
Lead flow is a term that I came up with. And I like to say that you don’t need a funnel. You need a lead flow. And I like to say is it’s the entire process a a, somebody goes through as you cultivate and nurture that individual from the time you first meet them to the time whenever they’re purchasing your services to the time when you’re actually con actually cultivating that relationship into like a higher levels of giving higher levels of like engagement with your organization, with your ministry or business. So is this something that the only big ministries could you,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:03):
Or is this something that someone who’s called to go as a missionary to Africa, that they would be able to use to raise money?

Bryan Citrin (12:11):
Every ministry needs to use this. And I think that even smaller ministries need these even more because they have less resources and less staff, the manly do these actions, because what this, what lead flows does is it does a lot of things that once before maybe they had a dedicated staff member doing all these individual tasks, but this can literally automate the whole process that makes it easier for the person who’s over in Africa to engage with their donor base and engage with with their prayer partners, et cetera.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:41):
Like, let’s talk about sending out text messages. Like if you were to be in Africa and I’ve sent out text messages from Africa, it costs me like a dollar, a text or something to send out. But with lead flows, what you could do is you could load up a text. And since it’s in the cloud, you’d be able to access the website from Africa. You set it up to send out a text, and then instead of paying a dollar, a text from Africa, you’d only be paying a few cents per text here in America. And you could send that one texts like, Hey, check out this video from the crusade I did last night. And it would go out to all 150 of your friends, and they’d be able to watch a video of what you did.

Bryan Citrin (13:30):
Absolutely. And what’s so exciting about it is you can utilize something called merge tags, and I’m sure you’ve seen it. If you’re not like familiar with marketing terms, you open up an email. It says, hi, Daniel. You know, I’m so excited that you’re able to join us for whatever it is he’s talking about. And you’re addressing the person by name. So this software has the ability to sound this text and have these merged tags that you can customize a text message for each person that’s getting it. So it could be like, Hey, Daniel, I’m going to Africa right now. And we use this skews crusade check out this video. I just, I fill in for it. And literally they think that you’re sending them the text messages, but really, you know, it says, hi Daniel. Hi Brian. Hi Steve. Hi, Mary I Sally. And you’re personalizing it on a mass scale. Yes. And there’s, and there’s other personalization you can do with that as well. And you can be really micro in terms of how you actually personalize these text messages. What are some

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:20):
Other ways that you think ministries could use lead flows?

Bryan Citrin (14:25):
One thing that’s really valuable, especially if a minister is speaking you can actually have like a Texas subscribe. So for example, if you’re speaking at a church, you could say, Hey texts prior to this, this phone number. And then we’re going to send you this form we can put in your prayer request, or you could say, Hey, I have this free book on X, Y, and Z text this number, and we’re going to send you this out. And so you can use that to generate leads. It can create websites. So like me and I, friend of mine, we created a website that I showed you for this, this online conference we did on teaching entrepreneurship and in kind of entrepreneur entrepreneurship mixed with, with ministry. And we, we built the whole thing on lead flows. So we built the, the, the registration page and lead flows.

Bryan Citrin (15:10):
We built a shopping cart on lead flows and everything. And we got over 300 people. This is the register for this and a weekend using paid advertising. So you could literally use this to create like a registration form for a conference you’re doing online. And then we utilize lead flows to send out text messages, emails, telling people whenever we’re about to actually launch that the zoom. And I think the first let me launched it. We had 85 people on their lives. And so about 25% of the people who registered actually showed up live. And part of the reasons why we got so many people there live was we were able to text them and email them in a real time when we were actually launching the zoom, but the link,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:48):
Okay, I’m a little skeptical, but I want to see if this really works. And so you said you you’ve set up a way to demonstrate this in real time right now. And so if, if you will pull out your phone and text this number, text (918) 265-3050 in text, the word growth. So just write in the word growth and then text it to (918) 265-3050. Brian is going to send you free of charge links to some of the Forbes articles that he’s written that will help you be better at fundraising. And then he’s also going to send you information about lead flows, dot com. And so you’ll get to see how the whole system works and how he, he, he uses it. So right now, (918) 265-3050 texts, the word growth. And Brian will basically put you as one of the leads in his flow in, and you can get in the flow with Brian. Thanks so much, Daniel. Thanks for being on the evangelism podcast. I encourage you to think about digital marketing for your ministry. It’s very important, and it will help you to do what God has called you to do in a greater way. Go ahead.

Bryan Citrin (17:12):
All the major ministries out there are actually running all on advertising to the raise money for their ministry. I mean, they’re doing it at my, at my COO. He actually used to run the online marketing for a very large ministry that you’ve probably heard of. I’m not going to mention names. They had, like you say, he’s managing like a team of like 80 people doing all these crazy aggressive fundraising online managing hundreds of thousand dollars because they’re getting the return, the fund, their ministry. And so you don’t have to have a ton of money to even leverage online marketing. You can start small, start slow, but once you learn different concepts, and once you developed the ability to grow your list and legalize technology like lead flows, you should totally be able to scale up your, your non-profit your ministry that really fulfill a calling that God has for you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:04):
Thank you so much for being on the podcast. Brian. Thanks. Thanks for listening today to this interview with Brian Citron, could you do me a favor, go to Apple iTunes, find the evangelism podcast with Daniel King and subscribe, and while you’re there, leave us a great review. So the other people who have a passion for evangelism can find this podcast. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (18:33):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

Bryan Citrin | From UCLA to Haiti to Vietnam

From UCLA to Haiti to Vietnam with a few detours along the way to become a highly successful entrepreneur and a digital marketing genius, Bryan Citrin talks today about why it is important to combine marketing and ministry.

Merging Marketing and Ministry

Bryan Citrin is a minister who has had articles published by Forbes.com. He understands both business and ministry and he is an expert in digital marketing. He recently started his own company called Leadflows.com and today he explains why every ministry and church need to take advantage of the enormous possibilities offered by his amazing software.

Bryan Citrin is a Business Entrepreneur who has a heart for ministry. First he was a campus missionary with Chi Alpha (https://chialpha.com) on the campus of UCLA. Then he started going on mission trips to Haiti and Vietnam. To pay for it all he started a marketing business. He is in the Two Comma Club with an online marketing company called ClickFunnels which means his company has earned more than a million dollars in revenue from online marketing. Now he owns his own company called LeadFlows.com. He is an expert in both marketing and ministry.

Forbes Articles from Bryan Citrin:

Four Pillars Every Entrepreneur Should Balance to Help Find Purpose: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theyec/2020/10/13/four-pillars-every-entrepreneur-should-balance-to-help-find-purpose/?sh=34c47aeabfc7

Six Ways to Create a Philanthropic Culture in Your Business: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theyec/2019/03/29/six-ways-to-create-a-philanthropic-culture-in-your-business/?sh=48a5894c6e69

Article About Ministry in Vietnam: https://news.ag.org/en/News/Refugee-Becomes-Ministry-Pioneer?D=%7B1363B7E2-EDBD-4DD4-B69C-A160FF74CF6C%7D

In order to receive receive resources that will help you raise money for your ministry text the word “Growth” to 918-265-3050

Are you interested in Evangelism Coaching? Call Daniel King, the Host of the Evangelism Podcast

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
From UCLA to Haiti, to Vietnam, with a few detours along the way to become a highly successful entrepreneur and a digital marketing genius today, Brian Citron talks about why it is important to combine marketing and

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:17):
The ministry Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:55):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus all over the world. And today I have a wonderful guest. His name is Brian Citron, and he is a business entrepreneur who also has a heart for ministry. So first he started out as a campus missionary with Chi alpha on the campus of UCLA ministering to students there in California. A lot of them need Jesus. Then he started going on mission trips to Haiti and to Vietnam. And when you go on missions trips, you got to raise a lot of money to do it. And, and so his idea was to start his very own marketing business. And so with this marketing business, he has made a lot of money that he’s been able to put into missions. He actually joined the two comma club on an online marketing company called ClickFunnels, which means that his company has earned more than a million dollars in revenue from online marketing. And so now he started his own company called lead flows.com and he’s an expert in both marketing and ministry. He’s also a good friend of mine. Bryan, thank you for being on the podcast today.

Bryan Citrin (02:10):
Thanks so much, Daniel. I’m so happy to be here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:12):
So tell me a little bit about how you got started in ministry and how you, you started out ministering on the campus there in UCLA.

Bryan Citrin (02:22):
Sure. Thanks. So my background is business, so I have a bachelor of science in entrepreneurship. And so back in 2009, I graduated from Missouri state university and approaching my graduation date. I was praying about what I should do. I just got done writing a business plan. I was the president of the entrepreneurship association, and I wanted to launch this business and make a much money. You see, I want to actually fund the gospel. I didn’t want to actually have to go and be a missionary, but six months, six months before I graduated the lower start, dealing with me to move out to LA and work with this campus ministry at UCLA. And I didn’t really know much about UCLA and I knew that my brother’s bent toward moved out there to pioneer campus ministry about five years prior. And I had spoken to him briefly in the past and he said, I should pray about moving out to LA and doing an internship with him.

Bryan Citrin (03:11):
And I was praying about what I should do. And when he originally offered me the internship, it went in one ear and out the other ear because I had no interest in going on the mission field. But as I was praying and praying in the spirit and bringing English about what I should do, that thought came back to me. And I remember I was at church praying about the direction where I should go. And I really sensed that. God wanted me to do that. And even throughout my whole college career, I’d somehow met different people that foreshadowed in action with this pastor out in Los Angeles. And so I called my brother and I said, I had a problem. And he said, what was that? And I told him that I felt the Lord wanted me to move out to one of the most expensive cities in the world and essentially work for free.

Bryan Citrin (03:49):
Like this is crazy. You know, I spent years getting in debt and you know, studying to become an awesome entrepreneur. And now God wants to be in a forsake everything and go be a missionary. And so I told that to my brother and he says, if God’s calling me to do that, I need to go ahead and call that pastor and let him know. And so when I hadn’t called him and told him, I felt that the Lord was calling me to go out to LA and internship with them. And later when everything was official, I told him that it was, it was on the bottom of my list for things to do in terms of moving out to LA, moving out to LA missionary. And he looks at me and he says, Brian, you weren’t even on my list. He says, I don’t remember offering an internship. I just did it that be nice probably, but I was driving on the four or five highway, praying for the direction and ministry about to go on a week long, fast. And the spirit of God spoke to me and told me I was about to get an unexpected phone call and a better be able to do it. Me answer pretty much better be yes. And I called him within minutes. And that was my journey into a full-time ministry out at, at UCLA, in Los Angeles.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:51):
So you ministered there on the campus and UCLA had a tremendous impact there. And then you started going on mission strips. First you started going to Haiti and now you’ve been on something like 24 missions trips down to Haiti. Tell me a little bit about what your ministry has been doing in the nation of Haiti. So

Bryan Citrin (05:11):
It was this village that our ministry supports and we’ve been going down there. The pastor I work with has been going down there for over 20 years and this ministry it doesn’t get a bunch of outside support from other individuals. So we’re pretty much the only ongoing support this village gets. And so we go down there, we actually started a library in this village. We put on ministry crusade events down there. We put on shirt services. We had put an evening feeding programs that we invest in economic development to help create jobs because the solution is long-term job development. You have to invest in education, you have to invest in economic development and that’s going to be sustainable. And so we invest in things that are sustainable down there. We hosted the first ever graduation ceremony for this village. Kids are growing up, they’re getting great. They’re having to go to school because of us. They’re going to us because of us. But most importantly, they’re getting to know Jesus because of us and they’re duplicating and they’re making an impact in other people’s lives in the village and throughout Haiti as well. And it’s incredible the impact we’ve been able to make down there for the gospel and just for the practical needs that we’ve been able to meet down there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:15):
Haiti is the poorest nation in the Western hemisphere. And so job development is so crucial to helping the people there in Haiti. And I love how you’re combining this training in entrepreneurship and in business with ministry, helping the people down there in Haiti become self-sustainable so that they don’t live in poverty so that they can have their needs met. And then God’s also opened the door for you to go to one of the five communist countries in the world, the country of Vietnam. Tell me, what is God doing in Vietnam? So,

Bryan Citrin (06:58):
So we, I took my first trip to Vietnam in 2019 and last year 2020, we would have taken multiple trips down there, but because of COVID-19 we just haven’t been able to go there, but they want us to go and they’ve been praying for us to go there, but that the pastor I work with, he was a born in Vietnam and came over to the United States as a refugee. And there’s actually a pretty powerful article that was just released about this. And so I know that you guys can probably find this article underneath this blog underneath this yeah,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:26):
I’ll provide a link for it on our, on our website, under the evangelism podcast. So you can find it,

Bryan Citrin (07:32):
But that’s the password why I’ve been working with these Vietnamese and he was elected as the head of the Vietnamese fellowship here in the United States for the assemblies of God. So all the Vietnamese churches in in the United States that are affiliated with these numbers of God, they looked to him for leadership. And so the head of the sound has gotten to Vietnam and asked him to come over there. And just so you know, Sam has a, God is a largest spirit filled movement in that nation. And Vietnam is in the 10 40 window. One of the most unreached people, groups in the world is in the 10 40 window. So this is a huge deal. And so they asked us to come over there and we really didn’t even know what to expect. And I remember when he went over there on this first trip, they were having this pastors gathering in a whole Shimon city and the whole place was packed.

Bryan Citrin (08:21):
These pastors actually paid to be there. They had to turn people away. And these are pastors and their staff there in the ocean city area. And they had these salmons, God looks to us and says, you guys are the speakers for this pastor’s conference. And so literally we had to train these pastors for three days in a row for four sessions a day. So I was with three other people, and each of us took a session and we train day after day after day, these pastors and the they told us later that 70% of those pastors that were at that event and their staff had been in prison for their faith. I’m like 70% of them have been in prison for their faith. I’d never been in prison for my faith. I live in America. So compared to way we speak to everything in America is super easy, but

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:04):
Humbling to be in a situation where the people that you’re ministering to have paid such a high price to be Christian, what, what do you say to people that are in that situation

Bryan Citrin (09:17):
That are, are being persecuted for their faith are saying if someone, you know, is being persecuted for the faith, I’d say that just, you know, stay strong, keep pursuing the Lord. And I know there’s a lot of resources online, available to you to help draw you closer to Christ, but, but never forget that there’s power in this gospel. There is power in this gospel. And even as the early shirts, they experienced persecution. This persecution allowed the gospel to the spread, not only in Jerusalem, but throughout Israel and throughout the world, eventually, you know, this gospel can’t be stopped and there’s power in this gospel. And, and the incredible thing about these people in Vietnam is they’re seeing signs and wonders and miracles. They’re seeing God intervene, introduced supernatural. They’re seeing incredible moves of God that I’ve seen lacking in many churches here in the United States. Let’s talk a little bit about

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:09):
Marketing because you have a gift for ministry, but you’re also have a genius that God has given you for entrepreneurship. You’re a true entrepreneur. You take risks, you invest money, you develop different ways of marketing. And a lot of the people who are listening, they have their own ministries. And of course, one of the things that every ministry needs is money in order to complete the vision that that God has given them. And so what advice, or how can you help people who are in ministry? How can you help them with their marketing?

Bryan Citrin (10:47):
Sure. That’s, that’s a great question, Daniel. And so I have actually spent more in online marketing and online like business strategy than I have in my college degree. And so I’m very, very talented, very gifted in this arena. And so what I would say is leveraged tools to help scale Euro your ministry there’s tools out there that you can leverage. And we’re going to even talk about these tools later that are, that can really help you fundraise because there’s technology out there that can help you take time away from ministrative works. So you can be out there advancing the gospel. I know that I recently wrote an article in Forbes that a couple of articles in Forbes, but one of them specifically was created. So you can take this Forbes article and send it to a business leader. Maybe somebody you want to become a anchor donor. You can send on this article. And by saying this article, you can ask the feedback on this article. And the whole purpose is to help bridge an opportunity for them to actually either ask them for money and for them to be an anchor donor. And, and I know that the the name of that article is six ways to create a philanthropic culture in your business.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:57):
And so this article would be something that if someone’s in ministry, they could actually forward this article to someone who is a supporter or a potential supporter to encourage them to be, to give more to people who are in ministry.

Bryan Citrin (12:12):
Yeah. And, and I know that the whole thing is you would send it to somebody and you say, Hey, I just read this article. I want to know your thoughts on how you’re doing that with your business. What are kinds, some kinds of things you’re doing in your business that kind of implement some of these principles. And then either number one, they’re not doing anything. And it gets them thinking and opens up a bridge free to ask them, do it for you, or they are doing it. And then still it was a bridge for you to ask for them to do it for you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:38):
It’s absolutely amazing that you have been published in Forbes. I mean, Forbes is the premier business magazine business website in the United States that that talks about business. And so the fact that, that you have the credentials as an entrepreneur to be accepted, to write an article for Forbes is, is pretty impressive. And also the other thing I like about the articles you’ve written for Forbes is that you are using these articles to talk to people in the business world about Jesus, because the business world is just as much of a mission field as going to the nation of Haiti or go into the nation of Vietnam. I mean, people in the business world are broken, they’re hurting, they need Jesus. They might be successful in one area of their life, but, but desperately needing help and in other areas. And, and so tell me a L how can someone access these articles that you’ve written on Forbes?

Bryan Citrin (13:44):
Oh, yes. And so I actually made it so you can text in to get access to these articles. And so go ahead and text this number (918) 265-3050. And you’re going to text the word growth once again, that’s (918) 265-3050. And you’re going to text the word growth.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:12):
So text the word growth to (918) 265-3050. And Brian is going to send you these resources that will help you to raise money for your ministry.

Bryan Citrin (14:26):
And another thing that’s going to be really exciting about this is we’re about to release a free fundraising program like some free training on fundraising. And so if you text that number, you’re gonna get added to a list to get early access or access when that launches for this fundraising program that we’re about to release. I’m super excited about that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:45):
That’s something that every ministry needs is the ability to be efficient at their fundraising and to raise more money. I don’t think I’ve ever met a missionary or an evangelist who says we have too much stop giving. Everyone has bigger vision than they have the resources. And so those are such valuable resources. Thank you, Brian so much for sharing about what you’re doing and the impact you’re having around the world. Thank you for being on the evangelism podcast. Thanks for having me, Daniel. Thanks for listening today to this interview with Brian Citron, could you do me a favor, go to Apple iTunes, find the evangelism podcast with Daniel King and subscribe, and while you’re there, leave us a great review so that other people who have a passion for evangelism can find this podcast. Thank you so much. And God bless

Evangelism Podcast Host (15:39):
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Jason Woolford | Sending Books and Bibles to the World

Jason Woolford was a United States Marine when he found Jesus. In 2010, he became the Executive Director of Mission Cry (Christian Resources International). Their goal is to put Christian books and Bibles on bookshelves around the world. So far, they have sent $350 million in Bibles and Christian teaching tools to over 173 nations.

Questions: 

Jason Woolford came to Christ during his service in the United States Marine Corps.

What is a “book missionary?”

What impact do your books have on new believers around the world?

Jason’s son was miraculously healed of a brain tumor.

Website: https://missioncry.com

 

To learn about Evangelism Coaching, you can call the Host of the Evangelism Podcast, Daniel King.

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Jason Wilford was a United States Marine. When he found Jesus in 2010, he became the executive director of mission cry. Their goal is to put Christian books and Bibles on bookshelves around the world. And so far they’ve sent over $350 million worth of Bibles and Christian teaching tools to over 173 nations. Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionary, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. We have a very special guest with us, Jason Woolford. He was a United States Marine when he found Jesus in 2010, he peak game the executive director of mission cry, which is also known as Christian resources international. And their goal is to put Christian books and Bibles on bookshelves around the world. And so far they’ve sent over $350 million worth of Bibles and Christian teaching tools to over 173 nations. So brother, Jason, it is so wonderful to have you on the evangelism podcast today.

Jason Woolford (01:46):
Man, and God, so glad to be here today. I appreciate you so much. I’m thankful for just who you are as a brother in the Lord and being an evangelist man you know, being about your father’s business. So glad to be here as well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:01):
Well, let’s start at the beginning, how you became a Christian. I know your, your testimony is that you came to Christ during your service in the United States Marine Corps. And I see there on the wall behind you, you’ve got some memorabilia from the time when you were in the Marines, how did that happen? How did you become a Christian?

Jason Woolford (02:20):
Yeah, so man, I was in the Marine Corps and you know, I tell people all the time before I was a, a minister, you know, each one of us has a testimony and a lot of times we try to clean that testimony up when we become believers. But my testimony was that I was a fall mile fornicating, United States Marine. And I met these two dark greens as we called them in the Marine Corps back in the day we in the Marine Corps, we were all green, right? Marine Corps green but there were two black guys that were men of men Marines and Marines. And I really liked them and appreciated how they were, but there was something different about them. Soon. I would find out what was different about them was that they were believers in the Lord Jesus.

Jason Woolford (03:03):
And you know, they kept inviting me to come to church with them. And eventually I went and I got saved in a all black church in Oceanside, California. And you know, after about six trips to the alter, the pastor said, you know, brother, you, you only got to come once if you mean it. And I figured I had a lot of meds, so I had to keep coming, but man, that’s how I got saved. And just a couple of weeks later, I met my wife who was a Christian, who was a Marine bad news for her was she had been a Christian since she was 15 and we were both 20. And I had been saved about a minute. So I was a big work in progress for her, but that’s how I came to know the Lord through evangelism.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:44):
And so now you lead this, this absolutely tremendous ministry called mission cry. How did you go from being saved to now actually being in the ministry?

Jason Woolford (03:56):
Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, one of the things that my wife and I learned and understood through the word of God was who was living in giving to him. And after our Marine Corps careers of understanding how to live and give to God he had blessed us. We were in SA Southern California. We were both vice-presidents of big companies 20 years ago called to, to Michigan or went to Michigan for a business opportunity. And then that’s when I got called to ministry. And man, you know, it was just how God is. He’s so good. And he’s so faithful. You know, I went to Bible college and I wasn’t tough enough to be a pastor. I said, mama, I’m going to be an evangelist I get in and get out and I don’t have to deal with a church people and I’ll be right.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:41):
I think evangelists are a little bit like Marines. They’re the first ones to go into new territory.

Jason Woolford (04:48):
That’s right, man. We’re first in first to fight were evangelists are a force in readiness, you know, in the Marine Corps. And people always say, Oh man, don’t go in the Marine Corps. They’re the first ones that get sent. Well, we’re the first ones that gets sent because anywhere around the world, we have Marines, ammo, food tanks already on ships. So when something breaks out, that’s why the Marine Corps is there first because we are a force and readiness. And really man, that’s how we’re called to be as, as believers will be a force in readiness. But to answer your question, you know, from, from the business world to just 11 years ago giving up all of that stuff and hearing from the Lord saying, you know, I want you to, even though you’re a full-time evangelist and working full-time, I want you in full-time ministry.

Jason Woolford (05:31):
And so we took a huge step of faith. I quit a job that was, I, you know, I was making about $130,000 a year and on track to be the director of a company. And you know, I just felt like, man, I got to honor God in this because as you know, those that are watching, some of you are called to a marketplace ministry. And then there’s people like my brother and I that are called to full-time ministry, a different different ministry and both are as equally as important. But nevertheless, we, we were called called out. We stepped out in faith and through a whole bunch of crazy events, trusting God, almost losing everything that we had once again God showed up at the last minute and this ministry called and said that the seven board members had heard from the Lord that I was to be the president and the minister of this ministry.

Jason Woolford (06:20):
And, and so man, I was praying and like, God, show me, you know, if this is your will. And, and I found a document that I’d written 10 years prior in Bible school. And and I had forgotten, I re wrote it. And they said, if you were going to be in ministry, write a ministry business plan of what that would look like. And so I’ve, I’ve, I’ve found it. And I, I forgot, I even wrote this thing and it said mission to send the true inspired word of God to every home in every nation around the world, a vision to do this empowered by so long story short, I’d read that. And I was like, man, I bought became a Baptist right on the right on the spot with predestination non-planned. But my point is, is it was so miraculous of how God was speaking. And, and so we said, yes, and that’s how we ended up here at mission cry and you know, men now we just, last year we sent 1.3 million people, a free Bible or Christian book in 24 nations just last year. And so it’s amazing what happens when you, when you honor the Lord.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:22):
Wow. That’s amazing. My first exposure to your ministry was a few years ago when we were doing a nationwide outreach in beliefs, and we had scheduled 10 evangelists to come to do 10 crusades simultaneously in 10 different population centers across the nation of beliefs. And we got connected and you sent an entire shipment, a huge 70 foot container full of books to give away to the people of beliefs. And then after our big event was done, you continue to go back to the nation of beliefs. I believe you sent an even more shipments of books. Kind of tell me about what impact your ministry was able to have in the nation of beliefs.

Jason Woolford (08:15):
Yeah, absolutely. And you know, in part of that, that, that motivation came about by two people first John boy, and then you, and I know you guys know one another, but you know, it started with with him saying, Hey, is it possible for me to get a box of books to send to Billy’s? And I was like, man, yeah, I can do that. And then I thought, what w you know, I can do a palette now I can do a container. I can do. And you know, what I’m saying is there’s certain things as believers that we know that we can do. And so I asked the Lord, I said, Lord, what is it besides everything? What is it that you you can do that I can in this country. And I thought, like he said, give a, give a Bible. And the Christian book for single person in the entire country believes. And I said, well, that’s definitely out of my, out of my scope. And but long story short through, through prayer and trusting God we sent enough Bibles and Christian books to reach every single home in the entire country that believes. And so the impact has been phenomenal. The reports that we’ve gotten back you know, from people holding crusades to now being able to have Bibles and Christian books true miraculous.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:23):
I do a lot of traveling to different nations around the world. And I often visit pastors and church leaders and I’ll spend time with them in their homes. And I’m a book guy. I love books. I’ve got a huge library. I probably got about 5,000 books in my library. And so, you know, I studied for my doctorate. I’ve been doing lots of reading, but I’ll, I’ll go to these, these pastors houses in different countries. And sometimes they, they have a Bible and maybe one book or two books on their shelves and all of their preaching, everything they know comes from just that, that the, those one or two books. And there’s really a poverty of training materials in some parts of the world. And so your ministry is attempting to address that situation and, and sending containers of, of Christian literature, Christian books, Christian training material, and, and even Bibles up many of the places that we go. Sometimes the pastor doesn’t even have a Bible, or maybe they have one Bible for the entire church. So, so talk to me a little bit about the mission of your ministry and why you feel it’s so important to send books and, and training materials and Bibles around the world.

Jason Woolford (10:48):
So, yeah, so there’s a statistic that says there’s 122,000 people that are getting saved every day around the world. The alarming statistic is that a majority of those people are attending a, a church where the pastor doesn’t even own a Bible. And so when we look at the wealth and the prosperity that God has given the United States of America, like no other country on the planet we know that the average home in America has six Bibles sitting on its shelf. That’s not even the Christian home. It’s just the average home in America has six Bibles sitting on a shelf. So over the last 60 years, we’ve been encouraging people around the United States to send us those extra Bibles and Christian books that they have. And so that we can repurpose those basically, you know, let the world hear our mission cry with Bibles that were either sitting on someone’s shelf or you know Bibles or Christian books that were, you know, were just dormant where meanwhile people like you were talking about brother they’re some pastors are preaching out of a daily bread and and you know, that sounds nice.

Jason Woolford (11:54):
That’s not the way that God intended it in for us as a ministry. And those that are watching you have the ability to send an extra Bible or a Christian book that you have to this ministry. And it goes through a big sort process and then gets palletized and gets put on sea containers. And then once you get on sea containers and they get supported, then we send those overseas 100% absolutely for free. And so we’re seeing the impact of people’s lives for the 37 year old girl. And in Africa, we got a picture back where she’s literally crying, holding the Bible up because it was a Bible that a used Bible with marks in it crying her eyes out because it’s the first Bible that she ever owned. You know, I mean our, our brother in Nigeria he, he lost his wife and his two daughters burned by Boca rom the his wife nose and breast and other parts of her body chopped off his daughters burnt.

Jason Woolford (12:53):
And you know, he, he didn’t call our ministry. He didn’t write our ministry and ask for food. He didn’t ask for water. He didn’t ask for money. He said, we need the word of God. We need the word of God. For those that have, are still alive, where their family has been martyred for Christ. And they need to be able to read about the God that they were being martyred for. And so those are just some of the stories that we hear where people are in such desperate need of the word of God, and we have it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:24):
Yeah. I think books are such a powerful way to help people, you know, books help new believers grow spiritually. So one of the challenges of every evangelist is to turn converts into disciples. How can a new believer grow from saying a salvation prayer into becoming a strong follower of Jesus? And so one way of doing that is by putting literature in that new believers hand so that they can begin to grow another great thing about books is that they continue to preach the gospel long after we returned home. So we can go on a missions trip and we can share, but the book can go farther than I can go. It can stay longer than I can stay. It can impact lives that I’m never able to reach. And really by, by giving away books, you are imitating God. So our heavenly father sent his son Jesus for a season, but he left his book, the Bible for all of eternity.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:19):
And so you’re giving Bibles to people and that’s a piece of, of, of God that you’re, you’re giving to them. And then another thing we find about books and I love giving away books, we’ve given away in our ministry. We’re not quite up to your level, but we’ve given away almost 600,000 books over the course of our ministry and books are often passed from hand to hand and they’re read by many different family members and neighbors. And so at one of our gospel, I remember we did a survey and we found an amazing fact. We found that every book that we gave away was read by an average of 10 people. And so those books have a, such a tremendous blessing. Now, tell me kind of how, how your ministry works. How do you collect books then? What do you do once you collect them and then how do you get them to a place where they’re needed?

Jason Woolford (15:16):
Yeah, absolutely. So from radio and television interviews that we do, and just by word of mouth people around the United States here, that they have a place that they could pick up Bibles or books from you know, used bookstores or salvation army or their houses or wherever. So we have thousands upon thousands of books that come into the ministry every week. And those come from people that are clearing their bookshelf, sharing their bookshelves, or sharing someone else’s bookshelves. And so when we get those those Bibles and Christian books upon the thousands of bonds, tens of thousands that’s how we get those and then repurpose those and then finding people in other countries that can get a container and clear it, and then use it for evangelism. That the very important thing of that is when we send the container, it has Bibles, it has seminary Christian authored books and Christian education discipleship.

Jason Woolford (16:12):
So within that container, there holds the word of God and teaching tools for those that are not saved brand new, saved those that are pastors are those that want to you know forward their, their, their, their education. And, you know, one of the things that’s real important. And, and this is why reached into that drawer was this Bible had come into the ministry. And as I told you, we get thousands upon thousands every day. And so when my staff came up, they said, Hey, we want to show you this Bible. And I’m thinking, okay, well, there’s a lot of those that come in. And they said, no, you’ve got to look at it. So I looked at it and you know, I was like, man is genuine leather smelled. It was like, yeah, it’s just genuine leather. You know, it’s got golden boss pages.

Jason Woolford (16:56):
And and then I, I began to, to open it up and inside, there was no writing on it. And it was a misprint that was printed. So it was a Bible that looked like a Bible smelled like a Bible, had the golden boss pages, but inside there was no, there was no writing. And this spoke to me in two ways. The first is this reminds me of so many of us that have six Bibles sitting on our shelves and you know, we might look right. We might smell right. But we’re not in the word of God. And therefore we don’t know what God has to say about the rest of the situation, not knowing how to properly fight the battles that we’re in, in the second way that it speaks to me is that there are brothers and sisters around the world.

Jason Woolford (17:44):
Daniel, as you have said that you know, we, we hold crusades. We, we go, we evangelize, we do what we’re supposed to do. They’ve asked Christ in their life. Their eternity might even be set with God, but yet they still have to live a life on this planet on earth until, until they go before our father. And if they don’t have the word of God, they don’t know how to properly fight. As you know, in Ephesians, God says it right to put on the helmet of salvation, the breastplate of rice and spells street, gospel shoes, a beast. But he says above all, taking up the shield of faith and the sword, which is the word of God. And when I read that time and time again, and Ephesians, it just really hit me and made me understand the importance of providing Bibles and Christian books to people, because God says, without faith, it’s impossible to please him. He said that faith is a substance of things, hoped for the evidence of things on scene. And that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. So in other words, we have Christians that are out there saved, limit, truthful peaceful lives, but if they’re not in their word of God, they don’t have the shield of faith and the sword. And so they’re not equipped to, to, to fight against the devil and what they’re up against. And that’s the difference that we’re making with the word of God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:56):
That’s awesome. I’ve got a couple of questions for you, approximately how many shipping containers full of books have you sent overseas and what are some of the recent nations that you’ve sent books to?

Jason Woolford (19:10):
Yeah, absolutely. So one of the things that well, first off we’ve sent now 300 and update since information that you have $390 million worth of free Bibles and Christian books to 177 nations. Some of the most recent places we as a ministry, we never shut down during COVID. I deemed us essential because I believe the word of God is the most essential thing ever known to man. So we never shut down. And you know, everybody that says, you’ve got to put your big boy and big girl britches on because I’m telling you I was a Marine before I was a minister. And so when this COVID thing hit, you know, I was like wasn’t happy too much about China. And so I was thinking, man, I’d like to Marine Corps drop a bomb, but then I thought, you know what?

Jason Woolford (19:53):
What’s a greater bomb I could drop during this time. And I thought, you know, it’d be awesome if we could send the word of God to China. And so during COVID we sent $3 million worth of free Bibles and Christian books into Hong Kong. That’s already made its way into Shen Zen and to mainland China. And so we’ve sent just recently to Hong Kong, 130,000 people in Nigeria got a free Bible and Christian book just last year. The most recent container just landed yesterday with pictures of distribution Philippines, Burma mean the list goes on 24 different nations last year. Daniel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:30):
That is absolutely amazing. Well, if one of my listeners wants to help you send books and Bibles to the nations, how can they find out more about your ministry? What’s your, what’s your website?

Jason Woolford (20:43):
Yeah. So it’s mission cry.com. And on there, there’s a tab that’s called books and you can give or donate books, a couple of things just in closing brother. We have our mission cry Bible, which is a new Testament NASB Bible. We created that. So when we’re running short on used Bibles we’ve been able to create this beautiful looking Bible. That’s NASB. It has the plan of salvation, a G 300 discipleship program in the back. And people can sponsor this at $2 a Bible, and that all that pays for the Bible and puts it into the hands of someone absolutely free overseas. And so you can visit our website and I want to leave you with this. This is a book that they gave us at eight years old, when our son was diagnosed with a cancerous inoperable brain tumor seven years old, end of story, make a wish recipients said he wasn’t going to live.

Jason Woolford (21:38):
And they gave us this book and this book says a resource guide for parents of children with brain or spinal cord tumors. This book is 18 years old. And I asked people, if you could tell me Daniel, could you tell me what’s on page one of this book? And the answer is no, you can’t because you’ll never read it. And I’m going to tell you that I’ve never read this book. I’ve never opened this book. Never because I was not going to be a parent of a child with a brain tumor. But instead I opened the word of God and I was able to read what God had to say about the rest of the situation. We never allowed the last thing to be spoken over our children, to be something contrary to the word of God. And so I just want to encourage those of your listeners that are listening and watching.

Jason Woolford (22:21):
It doesn’t matter what the little T truth is. The truth was that there was a tumor in the middle of my son’s brain and he was going to die, but that was the little T truth. And the greater T truth was found in the word of God. I want you to know my son that tumor vanished out of the middle of his brain. He’s 26 years old. He just graduated from moody. He starting his master’s program. And the awesome thing is, is God is not a respecter of person. So if he can do it for us, he can do it for you. This is why we believe in sending the word of God. Mission cry.com, call us, write us, partner with us and let the world hear your mission cry. And brother, I am humbled and blessed to be on your program. You are a mighty man of God.

Jason Woolford (23:01):
I’m thankful for your, your, your heart for evangelism. That was the first two things that Jesus, that God was, he was an evangelist and a missionary. And and I hope most people get, get on track with that. And lastly, one thing you talked about the 33 years of the Lord, I want to encourage those of you that are watching that God had given us a full Bible. We got to get off just those 33 years of his timeframe in the flesh on this earth and read about the God of the old Testament and the new Testament and the soon coming King and he’s coming. So you better tell people about Jesus,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:36):
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Brad Stine | How to Host a Fundraising Banquet for Your Ministry

Brad Stine has organized hundreds of banquets to help ministries raise money. In today’s podcast he talks about how to host a successful fundraising banquet.

How to host a banquet: 

We host a yearly banquet for our partners in our hometown. This gives us a chance to connect with our friends, give victory reports, and share our goals for the coming year. We usually hold our banquet at a hotel conference room, in a church fellowship hall, or at our own home.

Keys to hosting a banquet:

* Send invitations to everyone you know in your state. These should include friends from church, people you work with, people you do business with, and anyone to whom you would normally send a Christmas card.

* On the invitation include information about the date, location, and purpose of the banquet. Include an RSVP envelope for people to respond.

* One week before the banquet, call everyone who is attending to remind them of the event. About 10% of those who RSVP will probably not attend, so keep this in mind when ordering food.

* During the banquet, show a video or slideshow, share stories about people whose lives have been impacted by your ministry, and give details about your goals and projects in the coming year. Ask people to partner with your ministry through prayer or monthly support. Also give your guests an opportunity to sow into your ministry by receiving an offering at the banquet.

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Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Brad Stein has organized hundreds of banquets to help ministries raise money. In today’s podcast. He talks about how to organize a successful fundraising banquet.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:14):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionary, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:51):
Podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And I also love coaching evangelists and helping evangelists learn how to be more effective at what God has called them to do. And one of the ways that is effective at raising money is hosting a ministry banquet. And today I have one of the world’s best experts on doing ministry banquets. He has organized over 300 ministry banquets here in Tulsa and helping ministries to raise money for their ministries. Mr. Brad Stein. Thank you so much for being with us today, Mr. Brad, you’ve done a lot of banquets. Tell us why are banquets such an effective way of raising money for a ministry?

Brad Stine (01:45):
Very simple. Most ministries send out monthly newsletters sometimes weekly, sometimes every three months, but they send out newsletters. And a lot of those newsletters never get read. People say, Hey, how are you liking are giving money, They throw it in the trash…

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:12):
Throw the newsletter that you spent good money on in the trash. Yeah, I hope not. I hope no one does that to my newsletter

Brad Stine (02:19):
As Mr. Brad, I’ll tell you how you can tell who does and who doesn’t just say, Hey, did you get my newsletter? And I say, look to the side and say, yeah, I received it. They didn’t read it. Sure. As they look in the eyes say, yep, sure did. And I really liked that second paragraph where I’ve said, yada, yada, yada, then you know, you got a live one.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:47):
All right. So, so a banquet is good because it’s not a newsletter. You’re, you’re actually have an opportunity to talk to people face-to-face and communicate your vision. Your, they can hear how much you care in the sound of your voice. See the facial cues. And when you’re talking about your, your vision, they see just how passionate you are. And, and that gives God a chance for the anointing to come into the room and, and people open up their, their wallets and, and, and get a chance to give. So talk to me some about the, the process of organizing a banquet. Cause it doesn’t just happen by itself. There’s a lot of planning that goes into it. So what are some of the steps you have to take in order to set up a banquet?

Brad Stine (03:33):
Well, first, yes, you need to, the person needs to realize they need a banquet. The banquet is not only just for fundraising. It’s an opportunity to get, to see the people who’ve been giving into your ministry for the last year and look them in the eye and give them a hug on their neck, a handshake, thank them because they are part of the team. They are the provisioners. And many times we ministries have a tendency to receive the money from them or the support, whatever it is that they’re giving us. And we go out and use it in the name of the Lord, but we don’t really come play the loop. And so we tend to be recipient instead of giving back to them. But you have it at least once a year, we get to look them in the face, hug them and thank them.

Brad Stine (04:40):
And that helps to keep the loop going. Chiefs keeps it going because they haven’t seen you for a year. And if they are not reading your newsletter, they know you’re a good guy. They know you’re worthwhile, but they can’t start losing connectivity with you. And so that’s the primary reason. The primary reason for the banquet is not the fund. It’s the fellowship, the connection, that connection and giving back to people who have given. Absolutely, absolutely. Some of those people are hurting. Some of those people got family prompts. Some of those people have financial pumps. Some of those people are trying to decide whether they send you X number of dollars per month or whether they need to make their car payment or whatever. They’re struggling. And by meeting with them once a year, that helps us strengthen that bond and helps them to see the man of God praying for them, because that could be the difference of making or not making it. Yeah. So who you invite

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:58):
To come to a banquet?

Brad Stine (06:00):
Well, let’s say that you have a mailing list of say 500 people and you know that you got 50 people who give every month, they’re consistent, you know, that, that mine’s going to be there. They’re faithful. Yeah. And then you got maybe another 50, who are they? They have just about our month, a little more sporadic, but they, they loved her minister and they, they, they want to help. And then you have some more people who give occasionally very sporadic, but if you will invite those people, many of them will come and it will help to develop a longer, a better relationship. They’ll want to help you. They see a face to that newsletter. They, they see an opportunity that, Hey, this guy really is making a difference. And there’s some people who cannot go or see he’s champ. They may have a family issue or, or they may have a health issue or whatever, and they’re just not going to go, but they can go by first cue of sending you a check and some of them do.

Brad Stine (07:29):
And, and it’s just a way of loving on people once a year, look them in the eye and thank them and say, look, here’s what’s going on. Here’s what I’ve been doing to, to help the ministry. And let’s say, if you’re in the, if you’re in the ministry of doing open air evangelists work and look them in the eye and say, you know, Joe, you have a, a Spanish descent. I want you to know what happened in Honduras. 146,000 people showed up. And approximately we’ll never know for sure, but a pox way, a fourth, them got born again. Yeah. And you were a part of that because I could not have gone if people like you didn’t give into this ministry. And that’s in the most recent newsletter on page six, I showed you a picture that feel full of faces. Some, most people got pointed can’t because of what you did.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:46):
So if you’re organizing a banquet, the first thing you do is find a venue. You at a hotel or a church, maybe you could cater food or, but a hotel’s a great place because

Brad Stine (09:00):
Shell’s better. And here’s why, because it’s a neutral. Then you, the moment you have an extra 10, there’s nothing wrong with having that at church. But when you have it in a church, if it’s a Baptist church, different denominations may not come. Or if they’ve seen a ag church, same thing. But if you’re in a hotel, if say neutral venue and everybody will come,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:31):
So you’d want to send out invitations to friends from church people, you work with people you might do business with basically anyone that you would normally send a Christmas card to anyway, that you would have a relationship with that you think might be interested in, in supporting the ministry, as well as those who, who already support your ministry. Yep. And then on the invitation, you would include information about the date, the location, the purpose of the banquet. And you would probably include an RSVP envelope for people to respond, to be able to let you know whether they come or not. But then people are very busy these days. So it’s also helpful. The week before the banquet to call every single person who’s RSVP and get their verbal commitment again, that they will be there because some people will have forgotten. Some people will have gotten busy and that will help you with your, your final count for the banquet

Brad Stine (10:34):
Call three times you would call it three times. Here’s why first call.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:38):
When would you be calling them? Give me the timeline.

Brad Stine (10:41):
Mail out the invitations about three weeks before the amount. And I would put it in the notation, save the date. It’s to remind them, take you off their counter and make a note on that date. Save the date. And the first call I would make me probably three or four, maybe five days after you mail. Hey Joe, just one check. Make sure you got [inaudible]. That’s very valid question. No, what, what Amity? Oh, well you’ll probably get it tomorrow, then politics. Haven’t got it yet. If you don’t mind, I’ll just holler at you. Your MOS. Make sure you got on because if he didn’t, for some reason by the way, is your address? One, two, three Apple street. Yup. Okay. Zip code? Yep. Okay. Well, I just want to make sure then I just mailed to the right place. I’ll give you a hard day or two.

Brad Stine (11:47):
And the second phone call. You’re confirming that they did receive the invitation and Oh, by the way, say the date. Yeah. The next time we call them, you call them to see, do you think you and Becky are going to be able to come? We’ve sure. Love to see, you know, it’s been about a year since I’ve seen you so faithfully given to this ministry and there’s some things we just want to bring you up to speed off. I’d love to know what’s going on. And I’ve got a little short video. Want to show you and just hug on you and Oh yeah, we’re coming. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Or name time till say, Oh my gosh. I’m so glad you called. I put it down on my table and I forgot to mention to them. Becky, thank you for calling that little phone call. Sounds a little bit like the first phone call, but it’s not, if it’s caring phone call, you’re letting that person know. You’re really looking forward to seeing them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:00):
So the first phone call you are asking, did you receive the invitation? And then the second phone call you’re saying sure would love to have you there. Yeah. It would be great to see you. We love you guys. We want to see your faces. Can you please?

Brad Stine (13:16):
Yeah. And the third phone call is, Hey Joe, you know what? I’ve worked on the have roasted chicken. And we’re trying to figure out how many chickens to you know, to get yeah. If chick is going to lay down his life for you. So we want to make sure that we’re, you know, POS thing, the right number of chickens, and then you laugh, you laugh and they say, Oh, you know, I’m, I’m really glad you called, you know, something came up and yada yada yada hour or as a matter of fact, yeah, we are coming. Could we bring our, our kid? Well, how old are they? Well, we got ones 14. Yep. That one can come. And we got one that’s three. No, we’ll have babysitting service for that one. Or you can leave them home with their babysitter. Yeah. Just, it’s just that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:11):
When does that third phone call come? Is that

Brad Stine (14:15):
Probably about three or four days before the event? Yeah. And you would be shocked. I would say probably 25% of people say, Oh my gosh, I am so glad that you call. I forgot all about it happens all the time.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:36):
Now at a banquet. How many teak people typically show up that say that they’re actually going to come

Brad Stine (14:44):
Well, if the weather’s good and everything looks pretty sharp. You can figure probably about 85%. Yes. If, if, if people say, yep, we’ll be there, rain or shine, you can count on us. We’ll be there. Take that number times 85%.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:09):
One of the things that you’ve done really well at some of your banquets, which I’ve attended banquets, that you’ve hosted for a variety of different ministries here in Tulsa. It’s always wonderful. It’s always a great time of fellowship. And I love hearing about people’s visions. You also do table sponsors and so often you’ll invite people to come and say, your, your table has been sponsored. How, how do you do that? And what’s the importance of that?

Brad Stine (15:37):
Well, that’s a good question. I’m glad you asked it what we endeavor to do. And we usually accomplish it. We want everybody who comes to a banquet to be sponsored by somebody. In other words, we want everybody to eat for free because give an issue will be given unto you. Now I’ll come back to that. I just smoke. There’s another point I want to make on that. So let’s say that table has eight positions, eight chairs. And let’s just say for round numbers, and this is going to vary from different parts of the country. Do you ever parse the world? So these numbers may or may not be correct. Let’s just say in round numbers, $50 per person. Yeah. 50 times eight people is 400. So maybe you say, Hey, $500 a table that covers, you know, having brochures. And you know, it covers the various expenses, the video and so forth

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:47):
And the venue, the venue, and then the food. And then you want to tip the waiter.

Brad Stine (16:52):
Yeah. Everything. Yeah. So let’s just say round numbers of $50 or $500 for a table of eight. Well, a lot of businesses, some buys owns a plumbing company say, Hey Joe, you and a plumbing company tell you what, if you would be interested we’ll, we’ll put this table sponsored by Joe’s plumbing company. And we get along now set from the podium, along with all the other sponsors. And that way you can get a tax write off. If we mention it from the podium, you can get a tax, try it off as add per Ty’s front. Or if you do, you have it. And we don’t announce it. You can get a tax write off as a charitable contribution. But if we do both, you can choose how you want to ride it off, even arrive at off a combination, or you can write it off all one way or all the other way. And it gives you the ability to have a good tax write-off and nice advertisement.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:09):
So in advance before the banquet starts, you’re, you’re going around to different businesses, different people that you have relationships with and asking them to sponsor a table. What would you sponsor? One of the tables that are banquet for for $400. And we’ll announce that you are the sponsor for that table and publicly thank you for being a sponsor. Okay. Then let’s talk about the actual banquet. What should you do during the banquet to talk me through from the moment people arrive at the banquet facility until they leave.

Brad Stine (18:49):
What you do is you put a master plan of you, and that’s basically a brief written description of your ministry on every other chair. And you put them on the chair at a slight angle to make it delightful, to look at. It’s not just swung a carious is prom Nour with purpose, and they have to pick the thing up before they sit down. So now it’s in their hands and say, you want to have it to where they can read it as it was

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:25):
Master plan. We talked about this in the last episode, on the podcast about how to develop a master plan. It’s basically a short description explaining the vision and the objectives and the tactics of the ministry, what the ministry is doing, right? So, so they, they pick it up off their table. They’re sitting there and music is going, as people are coming in and they’re, they’re flipping through it before you even get started. They’re looking at all the pictures, right? Finding out what your ministry is all about.

Brad Stine (19:56):
Yep. And what we do is we go ahead and maybe start eating their salad while people are filtering in. And of course they’re talking with each other they’re fellowshipping. And then when the meeting actually officially starts, you start with a prayer and then the food should be starting to be served when they say, amen, that’s a signal to the venue to start delivering the food when they hear that word. Amen. Not before, but when they hear the word, amen, boom, the food shows up. Now this, what I’m about to say is very, very important.

Brad Stine (20:45):
The master ceremonies says, folks, look around you here, got beautiful channeled layers. Got it. Beautiful room, great food, great fellowship. And guess what it’s already paid for whatever you give later tonight, a hundred percent goes to the gospel because all of this was paid for in advance, by the following sponsors. And then you name office sponsors in alphabetical order. So nobody’s feelings get hurt, have malls, sand clap. One time when they’re all standing, don’t clap where you came to visual want, but when they’re all standing and then you clap for them and that gives them their tax write-off. But it also lets the people know that this wonderful banquet is already paid for. And that helps them to realize they can feel comfortable with opening up their wallets and their bill holds. Now along those lines, 90% of the money brought in to the banquet that night is him ladies purses. It’s in ladies persists. It’s not in the wallets. That’s right. It’s in the ladies.

Brad Stine (22:25):
Now this is very, very important. If the minister, the missionary, if he’s married, when he gets up to speak, he has his wife go up there with him and have her speak par I’d say 10, 15 minutes. And then he’ll speak for maybe 30 minutes. Not for an hour short, sweet to the point. But here’s, what’s important. The women. And I’ve seen this hundreds of times. I’m not telling you guys. Yeah, others. Yeah. The women tend to sit there with their arms folded and their purse is on their, on their lap or on the table or their arms are folded and they’re listening. And when the minister’s wife, missionary’s wife gets up there and she’ll say something like this, you know, when I married Ronald, I knew life was going to be different. All the women start

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:46):
Because they experienced the same thing.

Brad Stine (23:48):
Yeah. She’ll say something like, Oh my goodness. Yes, it’s been different, but I want you to know I’m behind my man. We are making a difference in Tanzania. We can see that difference. I’m so glad that we both bayed God and have gone there and had done when he asked us to do. Now, when she says that all around the room, the women go from like this to like

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:34):
Fold their arms and lean forward, lean

Brad Stine (24:36):
Forward. And they think, Oh, she’s behind her man. And then when her husband says, well, honey, how much she thinks we should go tonight? And she says, well, what number do you have in mind? And he says, well, what number do you have in line? She says, you know, I think we should give him a hotter a month. And he says, you know, I was thinking the same thing with one exception. We’re busy people, we’re business people. We write checks all the time. And I really don’t want to write a check for a hundred dollars every month, but it’s just write him a check for 1200.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:31):
Well, those are valuable insights and how to conduct a successful banquet. Yeah. And so it’s also good to maybe show a video or a slide show of pictures.

Brad Stine (25:45):
There’s on the video five minutes now. Here’s why, sorry.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:50):
Yeah, no, Y Y only five minutes or your region. What’s the reason

Brad Stine (25:55):
There’s a reason you bring them in. The guy worked all day and all he really wants to do is eat and fall asleep on the couch.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:09):
His wife’s making him dress up and go to this banquet.

Brad Stine (26:12):
Exactly. Right. And she sees it as a date. Oh, I get, I don’t have to, I don’t have to cook tonight. I can put the kids with a babysitter

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:27):
And I’m laughing because this is so accurate. This is how my wife thinks about it.

Brad Stine (26:31):
Yeah. And all he really is thinking is what am I doing here? But when he sees the beautiful food, the happy wife dressed up to the ninth, what you don’t want to, you feed him and turn off the light because he’ll fall asleep. So you got to keep the video to three to five minutes

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:13):
And maybe put some upbeat music behind it.

Brad Stine (27:18):
Couple of booms, you know, sub whooper booms or something. Something that keep it lively because otherwise you could lose him.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:28):
Other things you can do is share stories about people whose lives have been impacted by the ministry. You can give details about your, your goals and projects for the coming year. Another thing that I’ve seen you do is if you have a ministry that’s working over in Africa, sometimes you’ll have someone from Africa actually call on the phone and do a live phone call talking about the programs that are ongoing in Africa. And so that gives it some, some flavor. It helps to entertain people, but also communicates the vision of what the ministry is going to do. And then you come to the point where you’re making an ask and you present some different projects. What do you think about monthly support versus asking for one-time donations?

Brad Stine (28:23):
Well, I would ask her the one-time donations first and then,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:31):
And maybe give a specific target. We need $30,000 to build this orphanage building or something very specific

Brad Stine (28:39):
Sick tonight. Our basic need is we’ve got an orphanage over there. We got, we’ve got 114 kids and they’re not going to school and they need to be going to school. And after this moment we got 40 of them have no mommies, no daddies. And they need a place to sleep at night where they’re not being afraid of being bitten by an animal or, or, or some kind of a predator or giving them. And so tonight we need to, we need to raise money for, for, for an orphanage. And we’ve checked with the local authorities we’ve checked with you know, the bowlers and so forth. And we can build a whole thing for $46,000. Now we could not build it here for 46,000, but we’re, we’re building it because of the building codes, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We can build a whole thing for $46,000. And we’ve got here tonight. Yeah. You know, 104, 140 people. And you know, we’re not talking about a lot of money. And so we would really appreciate if you could just help us out. Cause a world away. We’ve got some people who are really in trouble and they’ll have clean water to drink and they’ll be able to sleep all night without worrying about being molested. We really need to help them.

Brad Stine (30:22):
And then after that money is coming in, then you say also there are some people for whatever the reason may want to budget so many dollars a month, as opposed to one time offering. And we have the different methods for doing that. You can either use your phone and text the money and it’ll automatically come out of your town or you can text the money and it’ll come out as you see fit. And then he go a few of the different methods of faking him three or four different options. And you’d be shocked at how much money comes in.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (31:07):
Let’s finish with some testimonies in all the banquets that you’ve done. What’s the most money that you’ve seen come in on one night and then all the bankers will you do. And w what’s kind of the average amount that you’ve seen come in per person on a typical banquet. I know there’s a lot of variety, but give me that, give me the high point. What’s the greatest banquet you’ve ever done.

Brad Stine (31:33):
Well, I’ll tell you the worst and the best. Alright. Maybe the best and the worst. I don’t know. I think of them, but I’m going to tell you one particular one. This is a wild one. This is a wild one. We’ve put together a banquet for, Oh, it was around a hundred people. And it was a missionary to the Indian nations here in the United States. And after the bank was over, missionary said to us, he said, well, after we take the expenses, the banquet money leftover just to over a hundred bucks. And then he cussed me out.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:27):
At least you paid for the banquet.

Brad Stine (32:29):
He literally cussed me out. Wow. That doesn’t happen very often. But I’ll tell you what I did. I hope that wasn’t the best one. That, that was the worst one, right? Oh, that was, let me finish. And then you’ll know. Are we having fun yet? Yes. There. Okay. So I’m, we’ll call him Joe. His name was not Joe. Let’s say Joe, it’s obvious that you’re not happy. Quite frankly. I don’t remember him being cussed out by a missionary before, but I can S I can understand if only a hundred dollars came in after he pay your expenses, that you might wonder what happened. So I’m going to give you a little advice. He says what’s that?. I said, “shut up.” He looked at me like, I shot him. I said, you don’t know what kidney ready to happen? You don’t know how this is going to turn out and you should not eat your seed. Oh, shut up. He looked like hyped to shot him, but he shut up Daniel about a little over a week later, he got a check in the mail from one person that was a hundred thousand dollars. Wow. I hope he came and apologized to you. He did.

Brad Stine (34:19):
And they got another check and he got some other check. And overall came to Rob about 200,000 bucks. Well, but see what happened is some people, they, they, they listen to the presentation, but they give a day or two later. Sometimes uncle Joe passes away and losing money. No things happen. Sure. Now I’ve, I’ve seen other cases where one case the ministry here in Tulsa, so probably maybe 30 years ago and about 130 hundred 40 people now understand this is poverty, 30 years, 35 years ago. But on that banquet, the amount of money came in with maybe off slide. Well, I think it’s pretty close around 65,000 bucks. Now, if you put that in today’s money, that would be at least double that, Oh yeah. Oh, popping 150, 160, 170,000, maybe 200. I don’t know. Somewhere in that range.

Brad Stine (35:47):
Kamia that night. So here’s the point. Don’t try to figure it out. Let God be God, you do your part. He will do his part. His arm is not sure. Just go with the flow and realize that the main purpose for the banquet is to have the opportunity to see those people who’ve been with you. Well, I asked you a year, it’s not a one way ticket. You don’t receive, receive, receive, receive, receive, receive you receive. Yeah. You’re giving back to them a report of what you’ve been doing with the money that they so wonderfully put it in your hands. It’s a two-way street.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:44):
That’s a tremendous insight. So a banquet is an opportunity to give back to people who have given to you to connect with them, to let them know that you love them, that you’re praying for them, that you care about them. It’s an opportunity for wives to get dressed up pretty and for husbands to go and get some good food. And it’s an opportunity for you to communicate the vision of the ministry that God has called you to. So, Mr. Brad, thank you so much for sharing information about how to hold a successful banquet. If you’re interested in holding a banquet and you need some help, give Mr. Brad a call, you can find his information at his website, harvest homeland.org. And if you’ll go to that website, you can connect with him. And he helps lots of ministries put together banquets that are really successful. You have one more thing.

Brad Stine (37:44):
One more comment, just thought of it. Audit told you sooner. Yeah. I just thought of it. A lot of missionaries itinerate. They come back from the field. They’ll come back for maybe three months, two months, and they’ll either generate around the United States to raise funds to go back or for maybe here, but keep in mind that banquets you, the missionary decide when and where to have the banquet. When your eyes can aerating typically pastors of churches or organizations, they decide when they want you to come. And so typically missionaries zigzag back and forth across the country. And by the time we’re ready to go back overseas to their mystery field, they’re tired. It’s almost a breath of fresh air to get back on the pill because they can relax.

Brad Stine (38:54):
But when you have a series of banquets, you decided, and so you can make a circle around the country. And then when you’re going to have, for example, in Milwaukee, on on March 14th, you’re going to have a banquet. You pick up the phone and the pastor in that area and say, pastor, you said to me that when I was coming through the area to call you, and then you’d have me speak well, as a matter of fact, I’m going to have a banquet there on substance so day. And so I’m calling you. I had a time to let us know I’m going to be in the area for a banquet. And he said, Oh, great. Well, why don’t we schedule you in a percent day, morning? And now you’re hitting two or three things simultaneously, and you’re making one circle around the country and your efficiency goes through the roof.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:55):
Well, thank you Mr. Brad Stein expert on doing banquets for ministries. Thank you so much for your wisdom and for your advice. Thank you for being a guest on the evangelism podcast. God bless you. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening to this podcast with Mr. Brad Stein, could you do me a favor? Go find the evangelism podcast on Apple iTunes subscribe and give us a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this podcast. Thanks. And God bless you

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Brad Stine | How to Develop a Masterplan for Your Ministry

Brad Stine has a heart for helping ministries get organized and raise support. One of the first steps he recommends is developing a Masterplan for your ministry. Today, we discuss what a Masterplan looks like and how it can help you as a minister.

A Masterplan needs the following elements. One page of the Masterplan should be devoted to each of these categories:

VISION: An aspirational description of what an organization would like to achieve or accomplish in the mid or long-term future.

MISSION: A written declaration of an organization’s core purpose and focus that normally remains unchanged over time.

OBJECTIVES: A specific result that a person or system aims to achieve within a time frame and with available resources. In general, objectives are more specific and easier to measure than goals. Goals: The result or achievement toward which effort is directed; aim; end.

STRATEGY: A plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim; end.

TACTICS: Done or for use in immediate support of a strategy. A tool, plan or procedure to promote a desired end.

TEAMWORK: Those who plant, those who water and those that harvest all share in the same reward.

CONNECT: How can people connect with you?

Here is a sample Masterplan: http://www.harvesthomeland.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/HH-Master-Plan-Short-Form.pdf

Harvest For The Homeland is a non-profit organization that assists visionaries throughout the world in supporting their vision.

Harvest for the Homeland Foundation helps ministries in the following areas:

  • Teamwork –
       Includes: Visionary, Pro-Visionary, Connector, Facilitator and Recipient
  • Timeline –
       Includes: Initial, Formative, Recognition, Planning and Fulfillment Seasons
  • Outcome –
       Includes: Principles, Examples, Comparisons, Operations and Applications
  • Planning –
       Includes: Vision, Mission, Objectives, Strategy and Tactics
  • Resources –
       Includes: Curriculum, Policies, Reading, Media and Testing

Website: http://www.harvesthomeland.org/ 

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Brad Stein has a heart for helping ministries get organized and to raise support. One of the first steps he recommends is developing a master plan for your ministry. Today, we discuss what a master plan looks like and how it can help you. As a minister,

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:18):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:55):
To the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King. And I am excited about telling people about Jesus and I also love coaching other evangelists and missionaries and pastors helping them to develop their ministries. And so today we have a very special guest who happens to be an expert in helping ministries, Brad Stein, thank you for being with me today. So Brad Stein, he really has a heart for helping ministries get organized and raise support. And one of the first steps he recommends is developing a master plan for your ministry. And so this is something that we met together about back when I was first starting in ministry, I was very young. I was still a student at oral Roberts university, and you sat me down and told me, Daniel, you need to develop a master plan for your ministry. And you helped me do that. And it helped me in articulating the vision that God had given me. And we used it later to raise money at a banquet, and I gave it to various businessman to show them what I was doing. And so Mr. Brad, could you tell us a little bit, what is a master plan and why is it important to have one?

Brad Stine (02:21):
Well you in business, they call it a business plan in ministries. They call it a ministry plan, but I use a catchall praise master plan, which is kind of a, it’s a business plan, but it’s also a ministry plan and he has the masters plan,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:49):
The master’s plan. Now there’s plan. You understand how businessmen think because you were a businessman for, for many years, and then once you retired, then you started helping ministries. And now you’ve helped many, many ministries besides my own, maybe up to 300 or even more ministries that, that you have sat down with, help them to develop a master plan. And really the purpose of it is to help relate to two businessmen. The people who have the resources to support a ministry, every ministry would have a visionary, someone that God gives a vision to. But along with the visionary, there needs to be pro visionaries. People who have resources to invest in the plan that that God has. So talk to me a little bit about from your background as a businessman, why is it important to have a business plan or a master plan in order to communicate what God has called you to do?

Brad Stine (03:52):
Well, the majority of the business people realize that if they’re going to expend thousands and sometimes millions of dollars, and sometimes they have investors involved, they have to have a definite plan that they can follow that will help them to earn that kind of money and to help them to stay on schedule with what they planned to do. So they don’t go off on the might say rabbit trails, they stay focused. And I think that’s also true probably with, with ministries. I, over the years, I’ve seen so many ministries who go out on the field and they fail and they come back broken heart, but I’ve also seen some ministries go out on the field and just really do a great job. You know, a lot of people born, again, a lot of, a lot of good things happen. I’ve seen the good, the bad and the ugly. And so it occurred to me that maybe I needed to put together a, a master plan that would help these people to stay in focus. Okay.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:03):
Well, I hope you would include my ministry in one of those good categories. Ever since we put together the master plan, it was about 20 years ago. I think that we worked on it. And since then, I’ve gone to over 70 nations preaching the gospel. We’ve seen over 2 million people get saved in our services and today, and the goal was to become a sole millionaire to lead a million people to Jesus before I turned 30 years of age. And we completed that goal in, in part because of you helping us to put together this master plan. So today for this podcast, I went and dug in, in my files and pulled out one of the copies of the master plan that we had developed. And I still look very young in this. I I’m surprised anyone would give me money looking that, or you

Brad Stine (05:58):
Still actually look very young. Well it’s relative though

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:03):
Years older now than I was then. But and I remember us going through this. We, we did a vision, a mission statement strategy, and I, I articulated some of what God had called me to do. And in here in my master plan, I had several areas that I really wanted God to, to help us to do. So one was massive miracle crusades. Another area was literature distribution. Another area was leadership training. And in that master plan, we had specific tactics and in different ways of accomplishing that. And so I’m excited to tell you today that 20 years later, all those things that we put in the master plan God has brought to pass, which is just amazing to me that if you will write the vision down, then he who reads it may run with it. They can go and do something great for God. And we’ve been able to raise a lot of money from, from businessmen and different people over the years, just showing them this master plan. And then I’ve, I’ve refurbished it and re used it in different ways, in different ways of articulating the vision. So tell me some stories about some of the other ministries that you’ve been able to help. I see here, you have a variety of, of master plans in front of you. Yeah.

Brad Stine (07:27):
A few with Nate just to, Oh, I’ve got quite a few of them, but I’ve just picked out a few. That might be a Pinterest, you know?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:36):
Yeah, no, I remember that you, you break the master plan down into several segments. And so, yeah, I was looking on, on your, your, your website for the, the heart harvest for the Homeland foundation now, and in, in your master plan, would you have there as a sample, you have several specific areas, you’ve got the vision and then you’ve got the mission. Then you’ve got a page on objectives, a page on strategy, a page on tactics, a page on teamwork, and then a page for connection, how they, people can connect with you. So let’s go through those one by one. And if you could define those for us and then explain why it’s important and maybe how to articulate that,

Brad Stine (08:26):
Okay, I’d be glad to now Daniel every body is called by God to do something. We all have a calling on our life and that calling, we did not come up with that calling that calling took place before we were even conceived. We have no control it. We can choose not to do it, but we, but the calling was put in place before we were even conceived. And that calling, if you would pretend it as a point that point right here, that’s the calling. We have no control over that. Now when God wants us to start achieving that calling, he gives us a vision. Now, if this can, this camera see this, okay? If this is a calling and this is the vision, then that’s the direction we should go.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:44):
So you have a calling and you have your vision and you’re headed in that direction. And it’s

Brad Stine (09:48):
Straight line that’s exactly right now, the calling does not change. That happened before we were even conceived. Now the vision can change, but the calling does not change. So if you, if the calling is, let’s say your elbow, then the vision is out here and it gives you the direction. You have to have two points in our frustrate line to have direction. And so since the coin is doesn’t move, it’s mutable, it stays put then the vision as it modifies and cracks, that gives us the direction that we should go. So the first thing in the master plan is the vision,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:43):
The vision. And you define a vision as an aspirational description of what an organization would Lank to achieve or accomplish in the mid or longterm future. And so the vision is where you’re headed. It’s the destination that you’re headed towards. So, so I think in, in, in my case, my calling ever since I was very young, was to be an evangelist. Like God put that calling on my life. I’m called to be an evangelist. It was spoken over me by, by several profits. It was a desire that God put in my heart. It was confirmed by the books that I read and that the things that made me excited, but within the calling of being an evangelist, there’s a variety of things that I could have done. I could have done local church evangelism. I could’ve done a one-on-one evangelism. I could have done street preaching, but the, the vision, as I articulated, it became to do massive miracle crusades like Billy Graham used to do back in the day. And so that was the vision. So the, the calling to be an evangelist and the vision lined up together.

Brad Stine (11:55):
Now that’s exactly right now, many people, they will follow the vision that they want to follow. And it may be pretty close to what the Lord would have him to follow, but maybe not exactly there, maybe their vision is here, but they’re actually operating over here or they’re operating over here. And we have to be very careful that if we’re following two visions, that is the high vision division. So to protect ourselves from division is we need to inquire the Lord, take her time. Don’t be in a hurry choir, the Lord, and find out what he wants us to fall.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:51):
Yeah. If you aim an arrow at two different targets, you’re going to miss both of them. So you gotta know which target you’re going for. And I like what you say about taking time to, to find the vision. I think it would be a good idea to spend some time in fasting and prayer, really get the Lord’s direction, what the vision of your life is supposed to be. So, so if you were sitting down with someone who wanted to be in ministry, but hadn’t really articulated what they wanted to do, what advice would you give them for, for, for writing down their vision or finding the vision,

Brad Stine (13:28):
Don’t go off half, take your time, pray fast, seek for the Lord. Take your time. Before you jump out here, the vision has to do with what you’re responsible for. And many, many people follow their mission and mission and vision are two totally separate things. Many times I’ve seen vision statements and I’ve seen mission statements and I’ve seen mission and vision savings and vision and mission statements. And there seems to be a lot of folks that don’t understand that difference between the two and the differences real simple. The vision is what’s to responsible for. And the mission is the authorization to proceed and they don’t happen at the same time. First you give to vision, and that’s what God has made you responsible for that lines up with your calling. And then as you train and learn and develop what that vision is that’s, you’re supposed to follow. Then later comes the mission. It’s like in the military, in the military, the vision in [inaudible] the vision in the military is to uphold the constitution. I say, that’s our vision. And our mission comes later. It comes after bootcamp. It comes after other basic training. So far there’s a time lag between vision and mission, mission bang, the authority to proceed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:26):
So I noticed that in your master plan, you, you actually have the vision and the mission on two separate pages. So, so you first have the vision, which was this aspirational description of what the organization would like to achieve. And then you define a mission as a written declaration of an organization’s core purpose and focus that normally remains on changed over time. So let’s just create a hypothetical hearsay. You have a someone who’s who comes in and says that they, they have a desire to, to feed the poor. So, so give me a vision for a ministry and give me a mission for that ministry. What’s the, what would that look like?

Brad Stine (16:09):
Vision could be that you have a an inner feeling, a gut feeling that there’s a lot of people who are going to bed hungry at night, and a lot of children are that are hungry and they’re not learning properly because they’re hungry and, and, and, and, and stirs you, you realize, you know, I’m needing to do something about that. And, and the vision starts to form in your mind that I need you to do something about that. And, and it very well could be tied to your calling. God may have called you to do that. And as you proceed to explore that area and read up on that area and learn about that area, and it starts to become kind of a part of you, then it’s very possible that that is what you’re responsible for. And that gives you the direction to proceed.

Brad Stine (17:05):
Now, the mission, let’s say this, you know, this, your vision is to, to help people to have food, but to get on the airplane and to go to a foreign land and to actually start developing feeding programs, or even here doing this in the United States, you’d better know what you’re doing. You better learn up on the customs. You better learn up on what’s really causing the, the food shortage to begin with. You better know what you’re doing before you step out here and start literally doing it. I personally have seen several where people went into the ministry too quickly. They try to proceed on their mission before they were ready. And they came home in a box in the bottom of an airplane, their vision and mission totally destroyed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:09):
So the, the planning process is very important in the Holy spirit is very much involved in the entire planning process. Absolutely. I think it’s interesting that God put the date for the marriage supper of the lamb on his calendar over 6,000 years in advance. So, you know, God’s a planner, he’s thinking ahead, he is a planner and we should be planners too. And spend time doing the research, doing the, the, looking at different organizations that are doing something similar, looking at the demographics of the area that we feel called to, and then articulating how we’re going to actually fulfill the vision that God has given us. All right, the next step is objectives. And so you define objectives as a specific result that a person or system aims to achieve within a timeframe with available resources in general objectives are more specific and easier to measure than goals. And so you define goals as the result or achievement towards which effort is directed, the aim or the end. So, so you, you choose to articulate objectives and how are objectives different than goals? Why, why do you choose to make that distinction?

Brad Stine (19:26):
They are actually quite similar. I have over the years, I have consulted with many perf professors at different universities and military people, sales people accountants I’ve, I’ve really delved into this a lot. And basically goals are the way that [inaudible] people measure success and how sales people measure success. Objectives is more or less how military people measure success. So objectives and goals, they, they’re very, very similar. They’re just used by different types of people, but empirically speaking, they’re, they’re plaques. Why the same thing now, as it relates to the master plan, perse, you have your vision either direction. And then you’ve got your mission. That is a reef. That’s where you develop your authority to proceed and then come to the objectives. And the objectives basically are breaking down that mission into smaller pieces so that you have a way to measure your success. If your objective is to provide a thousand meals a month to poor people, and you hit that thousand, then you accomplished that object. Yah, it’s a way of measuring.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:18):
So an objective can be more specific. It has maybe a timeframe attached to it. So in objective would be, we want to feed a thousand people every month. And then that that’s very specific. That’s something you can measure either. You did it or you didn’t do it. And you can know whether you’re, you’re hitting something specific. Whereas a vision is more aspirational. A vision is, you know, feed the hungry. Yeah. It’s, it’s a big goal, you know, we want to, but then you, you take the, the mission and say, we want to feed the hungry in South Tulsa in these three neighborhoods. And then an objective would be, we want to give away a thousand meals in these neighborhoods each month.

Brad Stine (22:08):
Yep. That’s exactly right. If it’s a further breakdown, your, your vision is, is tied to what you’re called to do. Your mission is your authority to proceed after you’ve gotten specific training and then your objectives is breaking down that re that mission into sections. Yeah, that’s exactly right. It’s measurable.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:36):
Then the next word that you use is strategy, which is a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim or end. So then explain to us what, what strategy is. Okay.

Brad Stine (22:53):
Yeah. Let’s say that. Let’s say the cure vision is to, to feed people that are disadvantaged. Your mission is to feed people and LA in a certain neighborhood, and it’s more narrowed down and the way you’re going to accomplish it is you’re gonna have some of Jack shoes. One of them might be to have a weekly meeting, whether people come and give some groceries or, or whatever it is. And then the next level, the strategy is how you’re going to do it. The objective is what you want to accomplish. The strategy is how you’re going to do it. For example, in the military, if the objective is to take Hill number seven, 14, the strategy might be, we’re going to use tanks and we’re going to use their airplanes, but we’re, we’re not going to use foot soldiers because there’s a cliff and that we can’t get up very easily. So we’re going to use airplanes and we’re going to use tanks and shoot, no, it was what equipment you’re going to use or what method you’re going to use, how you’re going to accomplish the objective.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:34):
And then the next level is tactics, which is done for use in immediate support of a strategy. So a tool plan or procedure to promote a desired in. So, so you have the strategy. We’re going to use tanks and planes to take this Hill. And then what would be the specific tactics we’re going to? Is it the route the tanks are going to take to the top of the

Brad Stine (25:01):
Tanks? Pardon me? Tactics is rolling up your sleeves and doing it. You know, I have run into many, many people over the years. They’ve got great ideas. They’ve got it all planned out. They’ve got it all written out, but they don’t actually wall up their sleeves and do the work they think about it, but they don’t actually do it. And tactics is hands-on getting their hands dirty, getting, you know, getting in there and literally doing the grunt work, making it happen as tactical. So as it relates to the tanks and, and, and, and the aircraft that is who’s going to go in first, does the tanks kind of go in with air support or is the airport air support going to go in and soften things up? So the tank screen getting in the other ones, that’s where you literally figure out every little detail of how you’re going to roll up your sleeves and be there and make it happen. And then the

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:19):
Next page in your master plan is labeled teamwork, which I think is very important, especially for the visionary, because anything that God calls you to do, he doesn’t call you to do alone. If you could do it by yourself, it’s not a big enough vision for God to be involved in. And so he gives visions that are going to require other people, other talents, other resources. And so teamwork is the way to invite other people to be involved. Particularly one of the businessmen that you give the master plan to you’re, you’re inviting him to join the team into participate in the, the vision, the mission, the, and, and, and being involved in, in helping to financially support what you’re trying to do. And I liked the phrase that those who plant and those who water and those that harvest all sharing the same reward. And so whether you’re the one who is planting or you’re watering, or you’re actually out there harvesting, whether you’re the evangelists going out there and preaching on the platform, or you’re the businessman who writes a, a $50,000 check to send the evangelist, you both share in the same reward in heaven. And so team where you want to talk a little bit about teamwork and why it’s,

Brad Stine (27:41):
But I would like to make a comment. Yeah. Just before that we’ve all heard the scripture faith without works is dead being alone, right? Yeah. And we’ve heard faith is the substance of things hoped for, right? Yeah. Let’s try this on for size. Let’s look up the word strategy above the word strategy subject. Yes, I, faith is the substance of things hoped for, or another words. Strategy is to help accomplish your hopes, which are your objectives. You cannot give sure check juice accomplish. If you don’t have a strategy to how you’re going to apply it.

Brad Stine (28:54):
Now, conversely, above below the worst strategy is the word tactics. That’s where you roll up your sleeves and do the work. All right. Faith is faith without works is dead. It’s dead. So I submit to you that faith has a lot to do with strategy. It’s between the two it’s it’s below the objectives, and it’s above the tactics. Now let’s try that on per size. You open the Bible and that Bible a lot along with other things, tells you how to you think it tells you how not to do things. It’s a book of strategy. It’s a book of a lot of things, but it is also a book of strategy. If you do this, this is what’s going to happen. If you do this, this isn’t going to happen. Do this, don’t do that, do this. Don’t do that. It’s a book strategy. And as a result of that, you accomplish your objectives and you are able to achieve through tactics and result. That’s very scriptural. And I have seen over the years, I’ve talked with different people in different walks of life, military people, and college professors so forth. And they go, where did you get? I said, all the Bible is there. And they said, Oh, I like that. That’s right.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:54):
Yeah. I like how you’re attaching these military or business terms to biblical terms. Yeah, because there’s a parallel. And one of the best manuals for business is actually the Bible. You can learn a lot about business, looking at the Bible.

Brad Stine (31:15):
Okay. Now, as it relates to teamwork, which you asked that question and I haven’t forgotten it when everybody does their park, some people, their job is to plan the whole play. Some people’s job is to implement different people, have different functions in the body of Christ. And if we’ll just stay in our lane and concentrate on our part, it’s like when I was in school, I used to be in a relay races. And the structure said, if you’re in a relay race, you put your hand out here, put it back slightly and do not start running until you feel that Baton hit your hand. And when that does, don’t look back. But when he hits your hand, grab it and run and stay in your lane. Don’t be thinking about the guy next to you and hearing his footsteps. Or if you turn and look at him, you may fall and hurt yourself, just concentrated on your part of the job. And if you, as a team, we’ll each do job as a team, go get more accomplished.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:45):
That’s a great insight. I mean, ultimately we are all running for the prize that Jesus has for us. And none of us do it alone. Do, do you think that some people try to be visionaries when really they may be, would be more suited for working at the tactical level? Yes. And how would you coach someone who is in that situation?

Brad Stine (33:16):
If you are already a visionary, you probably know you are a visionary. And I tell people all the time. I said, now, if you’re, if you’re the top dog in your ministry, if you’re the visionary, occasionally someone will come up through the ranks. That’s also a visionary. And if you’re not careful, you will consider them to be threat to your organization and route. And in reality, only a visionary can train a visionary. You cannot relegate that when they come up through the ranks, you need dynamic. Are they there to hurt you? Or are they there to, to learn from you? And if you see that they’re there to, to learn from you, you need to train them. And they may not see things exactly like you do. But if they’re going to learn from you and then go off into their own ministry and you’ve accomplished what God wanted, none.

Brad Stine (34:37):
But if you said, sir, and start button head, you could just draw that new visionary. And they never do go in to the minister, the way that they were supposed to. Now, the visionary has under him, pro visionaries, connectors, facilitators, recipient. Now the team has five types of people. Visionaries. There’s usually one of those at the top. Sometimes there’s a second one, but they’re usually moving on into another thing. Then you’ve got the provisioners are the ones who provide the necessary finances, equipment, et cetera, to the visionary. Then you’ve got your connectors. They’re the people who hook different people together. A lot of them don’t actually do the work. They don’t actually roll up their sleeves, but they’re very valuable because they get the visionary introduced to somebody who can maybe help them financially or, or whatever. Then you got your facilitator chairs. They’re the people who roll up their sleeves and do the grunt work.

Brad Stine (36:02):
You gotta have them. You know, you can set Sharon plan till the cows come home. But if there’s nobody willing to roll up their sleeves and do the grunt work, it’s not going to get done. But the last one is the most important for them. And that’s the recipient. For example, in a family, there’s a mom and a dad sat a couple kit. The kids are the recipient, but the kids don’t remain recipient. They grow up and they are the future generation of visionaries and provisioners and connectors and facilitators. But recipients are the ones who keep growing up. And so in the ministry, if you’re in charge of a ministry, realized it’s a recipient are only temporary. They’re going to become future one of those other four. And so you have a Lavonne change, your diapers. Yeah. Feed him, encourage him, hug them and affirm them. And they will grow to become one of the other poor.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (37:31):
That’s a great insight. I love it. All right. So if you’re putting together a master plan in your master plan, you have one page devoted to each of these items and is not completely full of texts. You might put pictures that communicate the vision there in the master plan. And so you would have one page for the vision and then one page for the mission. And then one page for specific objectives you’re trying to achieve. Then you’ve got your strategy page. You’ve got your tactics page, you’ve got your teamwork page. And then the connection page. So really a master plan. Isn’t that long you’ve got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven, or eight pages. You might need to put one more, one or two more pages in, depending on, on how many objectives you have and how much you want to talk about your team, but you just have it, the short little document. And then you’re going to use that document to, to bring in support for your ministry and play the part of, of a businessman. Who’s looking at this. Why would a master plan be important to give to a businessman that you’re asking for money?

Brad Stine (38:47):
Well, business people in general and nets. There’s lots of women there that are very, very good business people, but business people in, in, in general, they have trained himself or have been trained to concentrate on the goal ahead of them. And to not allow themselves to be distracted by events or issues, that’s going to knock them off of their objective or their goal. And so business people for that reason can usually spot another business person, just like a coach can probably spot the coaches, you know, or the, the instructor or college professor can usually he can pretty well spot those who are in the educational area. Business. People can spot those people. And when they see that you as a ministry or a missionary have a definite plan, they will tend to gravitate toward you because they recognize that you understand that this stuff don’t just happen.

Brad Stine (40:12):
You have to plan. They call that plan, the work and work. The plan sounds oversimplified, but there’s really a lot of truth to that. Perse, you plan your work and then you work your plan because I’ll tell you in the 11th hour, it’s late at night, lights are off, you’re laying there in bed. You haven’t fallen asleep yet. And if you don’t have a plan, you probably are going to have a hard time to fall asleep because you wandering you’re wavering. And, and if you have a plan and you know that it’s of God, you’ve taken the time, he knows. So God, you know, that you can proceed on that plan and that God’s with you, that God’s with you. Nothing can be against you. And if God’s now with you, don’t proceed into it in the first place.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:13):
Well, if you’re just starting out in ministry, I’d encourage you to take the time to develop a master plan. If you want more information on how to do that effectively, you can go to Brad steins website, harvest homeland.org, and you’ll see more information there on how to be effective at putting together a master plan, brother, Brad, thank you so much for spending some time with us today. There’s one more little comment. One more comment. We need one more. Okay.

Brad Stine (41:44):
When you go to the website, that master plan is not a normal master plan, that’s got all the elements in it. It’s kind of like a menu. When you go in a restaurant, you don’t order the whole menu. You pick up something that you need. And that master plan on the website has just about everything packed into it. But in actuality, you use only portions of it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:14):
Well, thank you Mr. Brad. It’s wonderful to have you on the evangelism podcast and thank you for coaching us through the process of putting together a master plan. God bless you. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening to this podcast with Mr. Brad Stein, could you do me a favor? Go find the evangelism podcast on Apple iTunes, subscribe and give us a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this podcast. Thanks. And God bless you

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Pat Kendall | Evangelism Explosion in the Local Church

Pat Kendall uses Evangelism Explosion, the material written by Dr. James Kennedy, to lead a local church evangelism group. Today we discuss how to ignite an Evangelism Explosion in your church.

Outline of the Gospel from Dr. James Kennedy:

A. Grace

  1.  Heaven is a free gift
  2. It is not earned or deserved.

B. Man

  1. Is a sinner
  2. Cannot save himself.

C. God

  1. Is merciful – therefore He doesn’t want to punish us.
  2. Is just – therefore He must punish sin.

D. Christ

  1. Who He is – the infinite God-Man
  2. What He did – He died on the cross and rose from the dead to pay the penalty for our sins and to purchase a place for us, which He offers as a gift.

E. Faith

  1. What it is not – mere intellectual assent or mere temporal faith.
  2. What it is – trusting in Jesus Christ alone for eternal life.

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Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Pat Kendall uses evangelism explosion. The material written by Dr. James Kennedy to lead a local church evangelism group. Today, we discuss how to ignite an evangelism explosion in yours.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:15):
Church. Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be say, welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:52):
Evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a special guest Pat Kendall uses evangelism explosion, the material that was written by Dr. James Kennedy to lead a local church evangelism group. And he’s done that for many years. And so today we’re going to discuss how to ignite an evangelism explosion in your church, brother, Pat, thank you so much for being with me. Well, glad to be here, Daniel. Thank you. Well, let’s start out with how you got saved. What, what happened to lead you to Jesus? Well,

Pat Kendall (01:31):
My life kind of fell apart. Things happened and I was kind of all by myself. I went from a wife, two children and my dog to just me and my dog in a period of about three or four weeks and life just kind of came to a halt. A lady next door took me to church and I sat through a, what it was, was a Pentecostal tent revival. And at the age of 42, I walked forward when the gentlemen, the pastor said, you know, anybody that wants to know Jesus more, more, better come forward. And so I went forward and just gave up. It was very odd that day. I didn’t pray. I just raised my hands with tears, flowing down my cheeks and the tears quit. And just grace came over me. I felt him inner me and my body changed. My physical nature, changed.

Pat Kendall (02:20):
My spirit changed. And when I turned and walked away from that altar, I was a different person. And reflecting back on it shortly after that, I I said, Lord, I said, you know, I didn’t pray when I was up there that day. And I didn’t hear it audibly, but I heard him say with a smile. Well, you know, it’s okay with me, but if you need to pray, why don’t you go to go ahead and that’d be just fine. And so so that was, that was my experience in that tent meeting Jesus. And in the 42 years of my life, I had had visitation at my house. I’d lived in the same house for about 25, 30 years at that time. And many times during that period of time, churches had combined knocked on the door and said, Hey, why don’t you come to church Sunday? It’d be wonderful to see you at church Sunday, but nobody ever shared the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ with me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:11):
So how did you first get exposed to evangelism explosion?

Pat Kendall (03:16):
Well, about a year and a half after that, I a gentleman and I were talking about churches and some things at that church were changing and I was kind of looking and he said, well, Hey, why don’t you come by our church and see what we do? And so I went to his church, which is Bible church here in Tulsa and was there all, probably six, eight months and talk to a gentleman, my mentor and he Bob Nichols and Bob said, well, you know, he said, we do a little deal. He said, I think he might be real interested in. And so he invited me into the evangelism explosion program that they had there at their church. And I was in it all about two and a half years in that church and became a trainer and just did a lot of work with them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:01):
So evangelism explosion was written by Dr. James Kennedy, great pastor has a great evangelistic heart. And he put together this method for training people to share their faith. Could you share with our listeners how the program works and, and how it’s set up? Well, you know,

Pat Kendall (04:20):
Just a little bit more history on it in the sixties, Dr. Kennedy went to an evangelism conference and was invited there to speak on evangelism. And so he did his presentation and after one of the days of the conference, he and the pastor that church went out, knocking on doors. And when the pastor knocked on the door and he told James Kennedy just step up and you just answer, you know, when the gentleman answers and he said, I didn’t know what to say. He said, I had taught, I had spoken of it, but I didn’t know what to do. And he said to himself, he said, if I don’t know what to do, I know my congregation doesn’t know what, there’s no hope that they know what no, no. If I can’t teach, you know, if I’ve taught it from the pulpit. And so what he did was then he developed evangelism explosion in the mid sixties as a hands-on one-on-one knock on the door ministry well, really not knock on a door, but anywhere you are in life, then you are able to guide a conversation into the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:14):
So you were trained in how to use evangelism explosion, and then you began to be involved in it, but you didn’t stop there. You also trained others. So share with me some of the testimonies of what you’ve seen God do through this program.

Pat Kendall (05:31):
Well, the best testimony, and we really need to get back a little bit more about ESL, but the neatest thing was a lady from another church called me after I had left that previous church I mentioned and was at victory Christian center here in Tulsa and a lady called me and said, I hear you have an evangelism program over there. And I said, yes, we do. And she said, well, would, would you, do you think I would be able to do that? This is a lady I’ve never met. She sounds a little bit shy and timid on the phone. She’s a little reserved. And she said, you know, do you think I could do that? And the answer was one word. The answer is yes. And with the history I knew of it, that anybody when they’re trained and when they get comfortable, they can share the gospel with anybody.

Pat Kendall (06:15):
And so Diane came over and joined the program and she kept track over a period of years with us, how many she had led to the Lord. And one day she said, the Lord told me just to quit keeping numbers. And it was about 225. If I remember right, that she had personally led to the Lord, the power of the program is that is personally led to the Lord. You don’t have to stand in a pulpit. You’re on the street, you’re knocking on doors, wherever you may be. And so then later I asked Diane, I said, Diane, if you had kept counting, this is a couple of years later, how many would you say that you have? She said, Pat, it would be over 400. Can you imagine the power of the church? If everybody in the church had 400 converse, converts walking beside them, behind them going through and coming into the kingdom. And, but yet Dave Kennedy said at the time this was in they, Oh, mid nineties. The percentage of people who had ever personally led somebody to the Lord that is a Christian and those, they should share evangelical Christian that knows they should share the gospel. So people will get saved. They said less than 5% have actually done a personal conversation with somebody and led them to the Lord.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:25):
And that’s what Jesus told us all to do in Mark 16, 15, go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. It’s not just a command for pastors and evangelists. It’s words written to every single believer. And so I think everyone has this, this understanding, or this desire to want to be able to share their faith, but often people don’t know how to do it. And so what this does is it, it kind of gives you a roadmap of how to, to share your faith. So, so tell me how it would work. You would take people, you train them in, in a group, then you’d take them out, going door to door. How would you train someone to use evangelism?

Pat Kendall (08:06):
Well, if I may speak to something you just said, the scripture says to go into all the world, and that is what we hear preach so often is go into the world, go into the world, go, go, go. And it’s a go ministry, many people, as you said, they’re not prepared. They don’t understand. They don’t quite know what to say or do when they get there. So evangelism explosion starts with the comm ministry and Jesus said, very simply come. And I will make you fishers of men. That was his first command. I don’t think that was an info in the invitation. I truly believe Daniel, that that was a directive. I think he said, come and I will make you fishers of men. I think it was a directive to the fishermen. And they walked away knowing that they were going to something to learn something, to be able to do something that over the next three years, Jesus taught them to do. And evangelism explosion is a very, is very simply AECOM ministry com and we will be taught how now then remind me of the question you answered, asked me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:04):
So before you go, you have to come and be taught how to be a fisherman. So tell me, how do you train someone to, to share their faiths? Assume you have someone who is shy, never had an opportunity to lead someone to Jesus before, but that they have that desire to, to be able to do that. How would you train that person to, to share their faith?

Pat Kendall (09:27):
Well, you know, that’s the great problem we have is we train everybody exactly the same. Whether they be the shy person, you just mentioned Diane or the bold person that just wants to just tell everybody, but just shakes doors and just rumbles things and just people run from them. And so what we do very simply Daniel is we invite them. We tell them, we give them a little overview of what we do, and if they are interested, we have to get their interests. First. If they’re not interested, you can’t, you can’t bring them into something they don’t really want to do. But those that are interested that really catch the comment. I will teach you message that we bring them in and over a period of Oh, it was 13 weeks. They’ve shortened it now to a lesser program, but we did 13 weeks.

Pat Kendall (10:08):
And over the period of that 13 weeks, we go out in groups of three, we have two men and a woman or two women and a man. We always have a mixed group. We never go out with a man and a woman. And we don’t go out with two men or two women because we don’t have the ability to speak to everybody. But when you have a mixed couple or a mixed group, we can speak to anybody that comes to the door or we happen to cross. And so we invite them in, we group them up. And in the first week, two, three, four, the trainer, the one, the leader of the group is completely in charge and the others are just Watchers. As we go along, they’re learning a presentation of the gospel. We have an outline that we learn. We get to a little bit, but as we go, they start learning the presentation.

Pat Kendall (10:53):
The simplicity of a presentation is it’s somewhat lengthy, but, but not it’s so, so wonderful. And over a period of time in the middle, then they start taking part of the presentation, part of the leadership. And by the end of the time, they are the leader and the leader is now the follower. He’s there just in support and prayer. And we see these people as they certify, so to speak as they are qualified, as they get comfortable like Diane, then they are able not only on IE night or EDA who want to go out as the group, but when they’re out in the world on their own, to be able to share the gospel in a very simple explanation of how they can be saved and know for certain that they have eternal life.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:40):
Since you started doing this, how many people would you say that you’ve trained in, in sharing their faith

Pat Kendall (11:47):
In about, I think 15, 16 years at victory that I was involved in and became the leader of the program with my, we have certified 150 evangelists. And now this is not the five fold ministry evangelists. This is the evangelism that the church, the congregation should be doing a congregational evangelism. That means we can send hundreds, thousands out on the streets every week where an evangelist will drop into a church on occasion and the 150 that we train. They, they have a certificate of completion of the course, but then they also have a certificate in their heart that they’re able to share. And over that period of time, too, and just about an hour and a half a week about, Oh, I’m thinking probably 20 weeks a year, we led over 1500 to the Lord.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:37):
Wow. That’s amazing. And would you say that everyone who goes through the program is able to lead someone to Jesus by the time they finish?

Pat Kendall (12:46):
There’s no problem there. No doubt about that. I mean, that is, that is a fact what you just said by the time we finished the program, we know how to instigate a conversation, lead that conversation to a gospel of where they’ve come from, where they are in their life and just present the gospel to them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:05):
You mentioned that Dr. Kennedy has a basic outline for sharing the good news. And so let’s just talk a little bit about what that outline would, would look like. And so here in the, the evangelism explosion book, there’s in chapter three, there’s an abbreviated outline of the gospel presentation. You have the, the introduction, you, you would talk about the someones secular life, their church background, and then maybe about your church, you would share your testimony. Then you come to two diagnostic questions. And so talk me through how you would use these, these diagnostic questions. One, the first question is have you come to a place in your spiritual life where, you know, for certain that if you were to die today, you would go to heaven or is that something you would say you’re still working on? And then the second one, suppose that you were to die today and stand before God. And he were to say to you, why should I let you into my heaven? What would you say?

Pat Kendall (14:07):
Well, again, let me back up just a moment from there. You mentioned that enter the introduction when you knock on a door or when you greet somebody for the first time you’ve never met in your life, it would just start a conversation with them about who they are, where they’ve been, what they do in their life, where they work, what their family’s like, where they’re from. You know, you’ve been in this city for a long time. We just talk, we, we become friends. We get a relationship started. If you’re in a home, you’ll see by the pictures on the wall or the trophies or the bowling ball trophy or whatever, or their kids or family pictures, you’ll see who their family and what they believe or mean. What they’re interested in in their life gives you a lot of inclination of what to speak on.

Pat Kendall (14:49):
And then we asked them about church background. And what we do then is we find out just a little bit about what their knowledge is, where they’ve been. If they’ve been in a Christian Church or a, or any church or synagogue or whatever they have been in their life gives you a little bit of information about them. And then we tell them about our church and what we believe. And then the testimony that we give is either a personal testimony. If they’re, if they have a good church background, they’re used to testimonies, they understand testimonies. If they don’t have a church background, then a lot of the things that we will speak of is what our church believes that our church believes that that relationship with the Lord is a good thing. We talk about it, but we try to skirt three or four words. We try to skirt the word, Christian, born again, baptized

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:49):
Because that’s not really what you’re trying to accomplish at that moment. And in like born again, that’s kind of a specialized word. You have to have some, some understanding, well, this situation where you get to talking about born again,

Pat Kendall (16:02):
Exactly Daniel. And the thing is, is Christian is misdefined by so many people. Sure. Born again is misdefined saved.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:09):
Some people think they’re Christian, if they’re, they were baptized as a child or something,

Pat Kendall (16:16):
Or because their parents are Christians, or because they went to church when they were a kid or they go to church now. And so what that does is that leads us from their second life, their church, our church, what we believe a testimony about what we believe. And then the diagnostic questions. What you said is have you come to the place in your spiritual life? We know for certain that if you died today, you’d go to heaven. Or is that something you’re still working on early in? He, he, they didn’t have, or is that something you’re still working on, on there? And it stopped the conversation because they had to give a yes or no answer. And many people didn’t want to say no,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:49):
No. And weren’t sure they just say yes, but if you say, is that something you’re working on, everyone’s working on their spirit. Yeah.

Pat Kendall (16:57):
It’s amazing how many Christians would say, yeah, I guess I’m still working on that. And how many people that aren’t saved yet would say exactly the same thing. Yeah. I guess I’m still, and so it continued a conversation that previously has stopped. And then, you know, men, I mentioned to you Daniel, about how we’re at the door in the first week out that the two people that go with us, they don’t even speak. They just mentioned, you know, they nod their head. They’re in agreement. If there’s something funny, they may laugh with us. And, but the one thing that they do do is at this point in time, is I turn to, let’s say a gentlemen named Fred. And I said, Fred, are you certain that you’re going to have when you die? His simple answer is a one-word testimony and that’s yes, that’s all he gets to say.

Pat Kendall (17:38):
And the neat thing is, is that gives confirmation, not just that the speaker, you know, the one that’s talking to him, but there’s somebody else there that has done the same thing that we’re going to lead them to. They don’t that yet, but we’re in agreement and something within our group. And so that leads us to the second question. That suppose you were to die today and stood before God. And he would to say to you, why should I let you into my heaven? And what I always do is I always put their name in that. If I’m talking to Sally, I said, well, Sally, if God would say, why should I let Sally, Sally, why should I let you into my heaven? What would you say? Or what would you tell him? So in the first question we understand the yes or no are working on it is what they think is going to happen when they die. And the second question is, is what they’re trusting in is if you would die, hoping nothing would come up on you. But if you would and stood before God, and he said, Sally, why should I let you into my heaven? What would you say? So now you’re going to tell him what you’re trusting in to get.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:42):
So what are some of the responses that you’ve heard in response?

Pat Kendall (18:46):
I think the funniest one was this one gentleman thought he was so good. He said, God will let me. And he said, I haven’t even stepped on a bug. He said, I don’t even, I let them live too. I’m just, he said, I’m just that good. A lot of people will say, because I have gone to church because I, I don’t, I’ve never murdered anybody. As far as I know, the 10 commandments. I don’t think I’ve ever broken one of those, you know, they give really not as bad as Hitler. Yeah. Yeah. And, and there’s really only two, two answers that are simple. It’s either I’m good enough to get in. Or he was good enough to let me in, in what he did. It’s either Jesus or me, that’s what we have to trust in.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:24):
So then how would you transition to starting to share the gospel and talking about grace and in the need for goals?

Pat Kendall (19:33):
The one thing I didn’t mention is we always ask permission to proceed. We say, may I ask you a question? If they say no, then if we ask them a question, we’ve offended them. Sure. So we always ask permission to continue. So before the first question is, may I ask you a question and what, before I continue, do you mind if I asked another question and now we’ve gotten their permission to proceed?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:56):
So, so you, you start by just knocking on someone’s door and, and some people are going to come to the door. Sometimes they’re busy. Do, do you make an appointment to meet them later? If they’re busy, how do you handle that? Or, or do you just go onto the next door

Pat Kendall (20:12):
From victory? We just went out knocking on doors. And when people come to the door, they, they will kind of show you whether they’re in her. You’re not just the way they open the door sometimes. But what we say is, hi, I’m Pat. This is Daniel and Sue and Sally. And we’re out from victory Christian center tonight, just speaking with people in the neighborhood and just seeing how people are doing, if there’s anything we might be able to pray with. And so we just gently open it, but we always say we’re from the church. We’re from what our names are. And a little bit about why we’re out there if they time. And that’s a

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:48):
Very soft opening. I mean, we’re just out here praying for people. Is there anything you need prayer for that gives you a chance to start the conversation.

Pat Kendall (20:55):
And we don’t ask them that at the very first it was there anything we can pray for because the answer is so often no, and those are the ones we need to share the gospel too, for sure. The ones that are asking for prayer, they may know they have a need. They may know they need Jesus and haven’t done. There’s so many, but to ask them to do something initially like that, other than may I ask you a question, it gives them the opportunity, or it gives Satan the opportunity to jump in the middle of the conversation and give you a note it to cut it off. Yeah. Okay.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:26):
All right. So then you ask, are you, can I ask you a question? You, and you, you begin to ask these, these diagnostic questions and that kind of lets you know where they are spiritually.

Pat Kendall (21:35):
You said transition. It just came to mind. The transition that we use is I know that I have come to the point in my spiritual life that I know for certain, I’m going to heaven. May I share with you how I’ve come to that knowledge again? May I share with you? If they say no, it pretty well stops the conversation at that point in time, but it stops at gently on their side. And we say, is there anything we can pray about? Is there anything you need anything we can do? And we keep that conversation going, because that way we got the opportunity to knock on the door again the next time. And if they, if they say yes, please do. Then that’s where we share the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:18):
Okay. So let’s talk about the presentation of the gospel, that the outline kind of goes like this. You start with grace and you talk about how heaven is a free gift. It’s not earned or deserved. Then you go to man or humankind that we are sinners, that we can’t save ourselves. Then you talk about God that God is merciful, that he doesn’t want to punish us.

Pat Kendall (22:39):
Let me interject right there. Previously, when the gods section of the presentation came up, they would say, God is just, and therefore must punish sin. That stopped the conversation because we told them that God was going to punish their sin before they, we told them that he was merciful and in the middle of, Oh, over the last 15 years or so, they have done different things. 20, 30 years really. They have changed the outline presentation to where it kept itself going. It didn’t have stop signs in it. And they moved in that particular section. They said, God is merciful first and doesn’t want to punish, but then he is just in must punish. And so they got the softness of the gospel before they got the harsh.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:23):
I think that’s important in this day and age, because in Romans it says that it is the goodness of God that draws men to repentance. And sometimes when people think about the evangelists, they imagine someone out on a street corner with a megaphone yelling and saying, you’re sinners. You’re all going to hell. You’re going to die. And really that is, that is only the, the, just part of the gospel to tell people that they’re sinners and the trouble with telling people that they’re sinners is that it really makes it hard for them to, to accept God as a loving God who wants to forgive them. And they just turn them off before the conversation even gets started. That’s right. And so,uif you, you talk about God’s forgiveness and his, his mercy in the beginning,uI think it creates more and more openness in people.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:21):
So you talk about God, and then you talk about Christ who he is and what he did. He died on the cross to pay the price for our sins. And then the, the finish of the conversation is about faith. What faith is, it’s not just intellectual assent or mayor temporal faith, but what it is, is trusting in Jesus Christ alone for eternal life. So let’s, let’s go through each of these five steps. We’ve got grace, man, God Christ and faith. Give me some about each of those different steps and maybe some of the stories that you would use to communicate each of those steps of the gospel.

Pat Kendall (25:02):
Well, and each one of the steps of the gospel, I mean, we said outline and we’ve said presentation, but really it’s a conversation. The points of the outline are to keep the conversation going in the direction. We want it to go and not get on rabbit trails through the middle of it and not know where we were in, in sharing. And it gives us a place to come back to like he’s, like I said, we share with them that I know for certain I’m going to heaven. May I share with you how that is for you? And they say yes. And you start very simply that heaven is a free gift right off the top. They’ve got a smile that everything they’ve been looking for, that they’ve been working for or hoping to get, it’s a free gift

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:42):
Because who doesn’t like a free gift, especially at Christmas time,

Pat Kendall (25:46):
You know? And, and they’re already open. They’re already opening a gift in their mind. There are, they, they give you a smile, just like I got a smile off you just now Daniel. And so the scripture, and in each one of the sections, we have a script, a scripture and an illustration of some type. The scripture on this one is the wages of sin is death. But the gift of God, okay, the wages of sin is, but the gift of God is eternal life. And this is what we use through the presentation is we use eternal life. We speak of heaven and eternal life. We don’t say again, Christian saved or born again. We say eternal life, because those three can be misdefined. But eternal life, life that lasts forever. There is no way to miss define that. And they don’t a person doesn’t question.

Pat Kendall (26:28):
What do you mean? You turn a life, you know, what do you mean, Christian? What do you mean born again? They don’t say, what do you mean? They’ve turned life. Because if they ask what it is you say, well, that’s just life forever. And they say, Oh, okay. And it continues again. It’s a simple answer that continues the conversation that you’re going to finish up here in a little bit, but not yet. Again, it’s not earned deserved. And the scripture there is Ephesians two, eight and nine for by grace. You’re saved through faith that not of yourselves. It is a gift of God. Again, it’s a gift that no man can boast. And so as we go through this, the illustrations, the scriptures all bring people to an overview of everything that Jesus did for us. And in the end, when he, Jamie, you said about faith at the end, that’s when we really bring it to a close, but in each one, man is a sinner and cannot save himself.

Pat Kendall (27:20):
Man is the center all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And then you talk about sin and Oh, an arrow, not hitting the bull’s eye every time. There’s a scripture. I don’t quote us as a scripture, but I say, you know, a lot of times people know that they have good things to do and they don’t do it. You know, sometimes that’s just bad to them. There was a lady that fell in front of them and they just walked by. Well, nobody else saw it. It’s just, you know, it’s just to them. And we have these things that we know overtly our sin and we have the other. And so we simply say with this free gift, it’s not earned deserved. And all of us have made mistakes that are going to keep the gift from being given. And that there’s nothing that we can do to save ourself. The illustration on that one is really kind of humorous. It’s like a person in the middle of a Lake. There’s no boat in sight. They can’t swim to shore. So they say themselves by pulling on their own hair and just lifting themselves out of the water. Well, it’s impossible. It just can’t be done.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:21):
Yeah. That’s a great illustration. All right. So you can’t save yourself, then you would start talking about God. What scriptures do you use in talking about God’s mercy and his, his sense of justice? Well,

Pat Kendall (28:35):
It is a sense of justice. Isn’t it is merciful and doesn’t want to punish sin. And the simplest scripture is that God is love and love does not want to punish love, wants to care for love. Love is an offering. Not it’s not, Oh, I don’t know the word I’m looking for, but love is just from the heart, from the heart of God. God is from his heart love.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:01):
And then how would you transition from talking about love to justice and the fact that God hates sin when that he will punish sin?

Pat Kendall (29:10):
And there’s a simple thing. There is it, God is just not only his merciful, but he’s also just, and must punish sin. We speak of a, a person that goes before a judge and is guilty of a crime. The judge is just in offering to that. The penalty deserved. If he’s a bank robber, it’s big. If he’s a murderer, it’s bigger. You know, if he murders many, it could be bigger again. But if he just stole $25 worth of things, then it’s a very low, but he’s just in, in punishment of what the crime is. And the scripture here that we use is by no means, will the guilty be set free? It’s an Exodus. And so the merciful God that doesn’t wanna punish us is also just, and must punish sin in that statement right there. You may have heard that he doesn’t want to punish us. He doesn’t want to punch at the person. So the person you’re speaking to Daniel, God doesn’t want to punish you, but God must punish sin. At that point in time, I’ve separated the sin and the person. So now the person can understand, even if they don’t realize it, that there’s a difference between them and their sin. And if there’s a difference between those two, we can separate it later and give it to Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:30):
All right. So you mentioned Jesus. Let’s talk about him. Who is Jesus and what did he do? And, and how would you talk to someone about who Jesus is?

Pat Kendall (30:42):
Sometimes we, we mentioned that Jesus Christ, he’s the infinite God man. He is completely God. He is completely, man. He, Jesus is the one that walked on the earth. You’ve heard about Jesus. And if they along the conversation, they will have asked maybe a question or two, because this is not a dissertation. This is not just a presentation. They don’t get to involve in. They are interactive with us. They’ll have little questions along the way. We’ll have little other anecdotes that we might lay in there. And a lot of times we will ask them, Oh, who, who do you know Jesus to be? That gives us a great definition of the religious background that they’ve got. Because if they come out of a non-Christian understanding of Jesus, then it helps us. It helps us to know that. And, but Jesus being the infinite God, man, it really depends on what they say more of what we say than what we want to say right there.

Pat Kendall (31:37):
Because when they reflect on Jesus a little bit, it gives us the ability to talk about what they’ve said in a gentle way, rather than just saying, Jesus is this. And they say, well, I just thought he was that. And that’s another stop sign. If they tell us a little bit about who they think Jesus is, or that they don’t know anything about him, which has come up, I really don’t. I’ve heard the name, but I don’t know anything about him, man. That’s a wide open field, but when they say, well, Jesus is this and this and this and this. And in the Mormon church where I was at or whatever this church I was at, they’ve told me about this. Now we’ve got a little inclination about where we need to go and that what he did for us. Now, this is one thing that we memorize and we request and require that the people in, he learned evangelism, explosion trainers know this statement that he died on the cross and Rose from the dead to pay the penalty for our sins and to purchase a place in heaven for us, because that is the simplest way to say what he did.

Pat Kendall (32:33):
Okay. Say it again. He died on the cross and Rose from the dead to pay the penalty for our sin and to purchase a place for us in heaven.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:44):
That’s a beautiful statement. It’s worth memorizing.

Pat Kendall (32:47):
And, and it becomes easy if he died on the cross and Rose from the dead to pay the penalty for my sin. And he went to heaven to purchase a place for us. You know, he went there, he did something for us. And then he went there to do something for us because later we’re going to say how we get there. It’s evangelism explosion is laid out in a simple, progressive fashion to where we bring people that have maybe no idea of the gospel of Jesus Christ or a great idea, but just have never made a decision. It gives them a groundwork how’s that it gives them groundwork that take a stand on solid so they can understand it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (33:22):
I think the outline is actually really great because it gives you something to come back to it. It gives you confidence to know what you’re trying to communicate in and where you’re going with the conversation. And so it takes a lot of the guesswork out of it. If someone asks a question and gets on a rabbit trail, you, you answer their question, but then bring them back to the presentation. Okay. So then the last debt is his faith. And so talk to me a little bit about faith and how you ask someone to come to the point of decision where they put their faith in Christ.

Pat Kendall (33:59):
And there’s, there’s always just kind of a little transition statement coming out of one section of the gospel, the outline, so to speak to another and coming out of Jesus Christ into faith is that he, by his grace freely offers us the gift of heaven, the gift of eternal life, and how do we receive it while we received the gift by faith. And so we’ve told them all about who they are, who God is, who Christ is and now, and we’ve told them about eternal life. And now we’re going to tell them how they can procure that for themselves in their life. And the first thing we tell them is what faith is not because all their life, if they’re not, they’ve trusted in something and temporal knowledge, we say temporal faith. And that is something that’s temporary. Like I prayed for grandmother who was sick and she got, well, I prayed for a great vacation.

Pat Kendall (34:50):
We came back and we had great pictures. I prayed that when the airplane landed, that, that it wouldn’t scare me this time. And I just felt comfortable. And, but it’s all a temporary situation. And so a lot of people feel that since they’ve prayed for temporary temporal things, that, that gives them something more than just an answer to that prayer and what is not, is not, not intellectual ascent is what we talk about, about knowing about Jesus. One of the illustrations we use, and this was a few years ago, but everybody knows who Michael Jordan is. Who would that be today? Daniel? Who would be a sports star today? A good one. A good one.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:30):
I dunno. Everyone knows who tiger woods is still know Michael Jordan. Yeah.

Pat Kendall (35:34):
Yeah. Mike, but anyway, like that, I’m sure if were, if you were to come up after a basketball game and Michael Jordan walked off, you know, and was standing there kind of by himself and you walk up and say, Michael, how’s it going, dude? Yeah. Good to see you. And man, you said this and that. And he said, well, excuse me, but who are you? I don’t know you, but Michael, I know you, you made 16 baskets and you did 86 points and you had triple doubles and doubles triples and all this stuff I know all about about it. And he said, well, that’s very well that you know about me, but he said, I know nothing of you. And see, that’s what people think that they’ve gone to church, that they’ve done things that get them to know about Christ, but what does Christ know about their heart? He knows that he’s not there yet. Possibly.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:17):
So then how would you bring someone to the point of, of making a decision? What would you say? Would you lead them in a prayer? Right? Then if they were interested in, in, in having eternal life. Well, you see, I stopped myself there. I was interested in becoming a Christian. I was about to say

Pat Kendall (36:37):
Interested in having eternal life. It’s so easy to be Christian, you know, and to use the the verbalize of who we are as Christians, because we use it at church all the time. But when we’re talking to a secular mind,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:48):
You got to think what they’re thinking. You’ve got to communicate in a way that they can.

Pat Kendall (36:53):
I understand. And you don’t want to lead them to a stop sign. You want to lead them to a, to a yellow light at worse, but always a green light to go through a yellow light. Sometimes you’ll, you’ll be able to work around a little question. They have a little sidebar they have, but red light is awful tough to rough around, but I just told them what it’s not. But now I’ve got to tell them what it is. And so now they’ve, they’ve heard that eternal life is out there. It’s being given to them. How do I get it? Well, you get it by faith, but not that kind of faith, but this kind of faith and what the Bible says, that the kind of faith that we have to have his faith and trusting in Jesus Christ alone for our eternal life. And he didn’t come just to merely, he came to earth to show us how to live, but he also came to earth to show us how we could live forever with him. And that’s how we receive eternal life being forever with him. And the Bible says very simply, it says, believe on the Lord, Jesus Christ. And you shall be saved, believe on the Lord, Jesus Christ. And you will receive eternal life. And so there we use the scripture, which says saved, but we always qualify it just a little bit back to what we’ve said, because we’ve been using eternal life throughout. So now we’re equating saved with eternal life. So we’re bringing them to a Christian ending.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (38:11):
And so how would you lead them to Christ? Would you actually pray a prayer with them? Or how do you bring them to that point of decision?

Pat Kendall (38:24):
Okay. Starting back at the first, the person said, no, they don’t know for sure. And they really don’t know what they’re trusting in. One of the answers we give back then one of the statements we give is, so then, and you can say this in the right manner. If you say it wrong, it hurts. But also then Daniel, you really don’t know how to have eternal life. And they say, well, no, I really don’t. And you, so, but if you say, well, you really don’t know how to get it, then do you dude, well, they’re going to say you get out of my door.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (38:55):
Sure. And now you’ve brought them all the way through this conversation. And you’ve quoted this verse that says everyone who believes in Jesus will be say, will have eternal life. So then you ask them now, do you know how to, okay, we’ve got eternal life

Pat Kendall (39:09):
Again. We’ve got a secular mind. We’re speaking to here that has a little bit of the spark of the faith. And they have seemingly agreed with you all the way through. And the simple question, which I’ve never heard through any other presentation, but evangelism explosion is the simple question that we ask them is, does this make, does this make sense to you? Because we’ve been speaking to their mind and their heart is becoming alive.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:32):
There’s one, the Bible says that faith comes by hearing. So you’re quoting the scriptures and talking to them. So faith is being born in that moment, right?

Pat Kendall (39:39):
And as their mind and their spirit come together as their mind and their heart come together. Does this make sense to you? Would it make sense to you if you needed no groceries for me to say, Hey, let’s go to the store and buy groceries. It doesn’t make sense. Why would you go if you don’t want to see this movie? And I say, Hey, I’m going to move. You want to go with me? Well, no, I don’t want to go there. It doesn’t make sense. So what I need to know is, is what I’ve shared with you. Does that make sense to you? If they say, no, you don’t say what didn’t make sense, because now we’re on a rabbit trail. Why are the people in Africa going to go to hell? And they never heard about Jesus? Why is this? Why is that? Where’s this?

Pat Kendall (40:17):
What is that? We’ve got rabbit trails that Satan is setting up right. Then that will lead us into an hour and a half a conversation that will not end where we want it to. So what we ask them is, does this make sense to you? And they say, well, no, not really. Well, did it make sense that heaven is a free gift that you can earn deserve it? Yeah. Well that, that man is a sinner. Did you understand how man is the center cannot save? Yes. And that Jesus, what he did for us was he died for us and Rose again and you know, and purchase a place in heaven. Yeah. And that God is merciful. Didn’t want to punish us, but must punish sin. No, I didn’t quite, I didn’t quite understand. Okay. Well let me, so now we have found where they didn’t understand and we can explain it to them that God is merciful.

Pat Kendall (41:01):
Doesn’t want to punish the person doesn’t want to punish us, but he must punish sin because he’s just, he’s a judge. He judges justly. And just like, if a person came up with 87 traffic tickets, the judge would have to say, you have to pay these because he’s adjust judge. And so what happens is at that point, we explain what they didn’t understand and say, well, does it make sense now? And they said, well, yeah, the next question is automatic. Would you like to receive the gift of eternal life? Because now it makes sense. Their mind is satisfied. That’s what we, we really have to, a lot of people whose mind is not satisfied. We’ll pray with you to get them out of your, get you out of their face. Sure. They just will. And so the, the generosity that God has put into this program is they understand where they’re going. They know the next step and we’re going to lead them there, but we get their permission. Do you understand, did it make sense? Yes, it did. Then would you like to receive the gift of eternal life? Yes, I would permission to proceed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:08):
So then talk to me about follow up because of course that’s not the end of where God wants to take them. That’s just the beginning. How would you follow up on that person and get them hooked into a church and, and growing as a, as a new believer?

Pat Kendall (42:25):
Well, and before we pray and I’m trying to find it because my mind is slipping right now, we asked them, it’s the four RS. We say that what, what you need to do in order to do this is, do you understand that what you, Oh, excuse me. We asked them if you are ready to receive Christ as your Lord receive Christ as your savior, repent, turning around from where you were going to, where you are going, we ask them the qualifying questions that call them. And if they say yes to all of those, then I, then I asked them, is there a prayer that you have in your heart that you would like to say to Jesus? Many people will say, no, a few will say yes, I have a prayer. And they pray a wonderful prayer because they’ve been in church. They’ve just never had to receive. Or we lead them in a prayer. And at the end of the prayer, I have seen so many people go into prayer. I always close my eyes. I don’t look at them. We hold hands. We put a hand on their shoulder. We talk with them. We pray. And many, many, many times when we come out of that prayer, you look at a different person. You look at a person who is now a born again, Christian saved believer.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (43:44):
That is one of the most exciting moments that you can experience to see that moment when someone’s eternal, destiny is changed. And, and I’ve seen it many times where, where people will, it looks like they’re shining. It’s you suddenly see Jesus in their eyes. There, there is something there’s a tangible change in their lives when they give their life to Jesus. Well, really amazing.

Pat Kendall (44:10):
That flashes me back to the story of really how my story started with my wife was I was in a little little church, a little neighborhood church. I went to for just a little while who didn’t have an evangelism program. And I’d been in another church with an evangelism program. And I heard that victory here in Tulsa was going to have a training, a seminar to certify teachers of the program, because what they have is they have teachers who teach the program, the trainers who help the others go out and then the the learner, so to speak the trainees. And so I went to victory to become a certified teacher, as I walked in the door of vicar Bible Institute, which was at 51st in Peoria at the time in the TL Osborn building. Yeah. Yeah. And I walked in and there’s a lady standing over by the mirrors.

Pat Kendall (45:00):
If you remember the building Daniel and I walked across the, there was a picture of, of the globe on the floor. And I walked across the world so to speak. And I talked to a young lady, a blonde at the door and asked her, you know, what I needed to do. I filled out a check for the seminar, for the, and handed her the check. And she gave me one of those little receipts. It’s about three inches long about an inch tall or so. And it said, I’d given her a, I think it was $295 for the session and she signed it and I just opened them Bible, stuck it in there and said, thank you. And walked on in, in the training, the teaching sessions, they taught us each one of the lessons over the next six days. I took a vacation actually from my job to go to the seminar.

Pat Kendall (45:45):
And on the first day, second day, and then the third day we go out just like you are in evangelism explosion. And the lady that took my money was the lady that happened to be the trainer in my group. I was familiar with he previously, the other gentleman wasn’t and my wife was the trainer. She was going to Victor Bible Institute at the time. And so we went out and we went out to Fairmont terrace here in Tulsa. We’re on the second floor. I’ll never forget where we were. We were on the second floor on the West side, in the middle door of the three apartments are on that floor. And Oh a grandmother named Donna, a short black lady came to the door, open the door and was very congenial. We spoke with her, we started the gospel presentation, talked with her and right in the middle, which happens sometimes she said, Oh, I need to go inside.

Pat Kendall (46:39):
I’ll be back. Well, we hear that before. And they don’t come back to the door or they make an excuse. Hey, I got to go. I’m not able to finish. But Donna went inside and came back, opened the door, back up, shut the door. She went in, opened the door back up and said, thank you so much. I just had to check on my grandson and go to the bathroom. And so she came back out and if I remember, I, the lady knew janitor her name Aster, or asked me or somebody, where were we? And we reminded again, it brings you back to the outline because there was a space in the middle. So we finished the presentation. Don understood the gospel. She was churched in the past, but not saved. And we prayed. Donna was hunched over a little heavy lady, just a little, but she was kind of hunched over from the pressure of raising her grandchildren.

Pat Kendall (47:30):
She had mentioned that her daughter was not in the picture anymore and the pressure of life was on her. And she was just a nice pleasant person, but just had so much pressure and coming out of the prayer, we all held hands. Janet prayed. I guess the other man that was with us was probably there anyway. But when we came out of the prayer, Donna was standing straight to pressure, was gone. The had changed and everything that Satan had laid on her was no longer with her. She smiled, her eyes were bright. She was a changed person, born again, believer. And she knew in her heart that she had changed because she had been, she had been in church all of her life, but she’d never made a decision. She knew she changed and we could physically see the difference of what the Holy spirit does to a person when it is.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (48:25):
And the Bible says that when one sinner comes to repentance, all of heaven rejoices. So that is the moment that a party starts in heaven. And as an evangelist, as someone who, who witnesses to people that brings such tremendous joy to my life, to see someone in that moment where they give their lives to Jesus. Well, I encourage you to go online, get yourself a copy of the book, evangelism explosion by James Kennedy. And you have,

Pat Kendall (48:57):
I got finished. The story finished the story, Donna. Yeah. Donna. So Donna so we leave and we, we meet Don a few more times. And Janet about all a while later, she goes to Dallas, Texas to go through a teaching seminar. Like I had gone through when she was my leader and came back and the first day she’s back. Now that she’s a teacher, I say, well, you just do the lesson tonight. And it’s just like, Whoa. Okay. And so she was just another lady at church. And about two years after that, I was standing in E with Brian Good friend of mine. And the lady I had been dating during that period of time. And I were no longer together. And I said, you know, Brian, I said, you know, I’m better as part of a couple I’m a pair, I’m half a pair and not a single.

Pat Kendall (49:48):
And he said, well, he said any return and pointed to Janet across the room. We’re in, in VBI at the time too. And he pointed across the room and he said, well, what about that? And over there, and I turned and looked at Janet and she changed from Jim’s being a lady at church to she’s pretty lady real nice. I had known her for about two years. We’d been on evangelism together. We’d been walking the same path side by side for a long time before we even met. And about, about 10 months from that day, we got married.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (50:20):
Wow. That’s wonderful. Now, when you started this story, I knew that you were married to Janet. So I just assumed that she was your wife and going out with you. I didn’t get the part that you hadn’t started dating yet, but that’s so wonderful. You know? So if you need to find a husband or wife, you better go get in an evangelism group. It’ll give you an opportunity to talk to a lot of people. And as you’re doing what God has called you to do that, you’ll find the right person to come alongside you.

Pat Kendall (50:51):
Well, the rest of the story on Janet and I, a couple of years later, we had the opportunity to start teaching there. Before you say I do class at victim. And what I always told the folks and what I told the singles was that as you come and you, your paths cross with somebody, well, that’s wonderful. But as they cross and you go your way and they go theirs, you just happened to be around them. But I said, what you look for in a mate is somebody, this walking and God has just kind of preparing you and you’ll walk together. And in one day, you’ll realize, you’ll look over and you see the same person doing the same thing you’re doing. And she’s kind of cute. And she’ll look over and say, Hey, there’s a guy over there just doing about same thing I’m doing. And he’s kind of cute. And you’ll walk these parallel paths for a while and God is preparing you. If you’re single right now and listen to this, he’s preparing someone for you that you’re going to be walking parallel to. And that’s the way of Janet and I were, we walked for about two years, the same path, just knowing each other, and then God put us together as one. Wow.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (51:48):
Awesome. Well, can I finish now or do you have another story, man? I got stories. We don’t have time. Hey, if you’re listening, I encourage you go online. Get yourself a copy of evangelism explosion by James Kennedy. There’s lots of great illustration. He go through the outline and find a church that’s offering training in evangelism explosion. And as you go through the material, we’re really help you to become proficient in sharing your faith. So brother, Pat, I’m so excited about how much enthusiasm you have for sharing your faith. Thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast.

Pat Kendall (52:30):
Well thank you for the invitation. This has been a great reflection for me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (52:34):
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Brad Mayer | Canadian Evangelist on Fire for Jesus

Brad Mayer is a Canadian evangelist who is on Fire for Jesus. Recently he started LIFE – Local & International Fellowship of Evangelists because he believes it is important for evangelists to be in relationship with one another.

Questions we discuss:

  1. How Brad Mayer became an evangelist
  2. Evangelism in Canada
  3. International Evangelism and testimonies from overseas
  4. LIFE – Local & International Fellowship of Evangelists

Canadian Fire Missions Website: Canadianfire.org

Join the LIFE Facebook group – Local & International Fellowship of Evangelists: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lifeevangelistsfellowship

LIFE is about networking, collaborating, and connecting with others who share your calling to evangelism. It is about learning from and mentoring others who carry that same fire to share the Gospel that lives in you. It is a fellowship of evangelists, young and old, seasoned veterans alongside those new to the call…. all united with the same heartbeat to impact the world with the life-saving message of Jesus Christ.

City Center Church: https://www.facebook.com/citycentrechurch/

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Brad Mayer is a Canadian evangelist who is on fire for Jesus. Recently, he started life local and international fellowship of evangelists because he believes that evangelists need to be in relationship with one another.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:18):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the event,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:56):
Angela ism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited to tell people about Jesus. I have a special guest today from the snowy North up in Canada, Brad Meyer. Thank you so much for joining me today.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (01:12):
It’s good to be with you, Daniel. Always good to connect with fire, fire, your evangelists like yourself.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:19):
We’ve been friends for a while now. I think originally Dr. Ladonna Osborn introduced us and you came down here to Tulsa, to one of the meetings of the Soul Winners Alliance, a group of evangelists that I have here. And then together, we went to Brazil and got to participate in a great crusade there with my friend Rubens Cunha. And then last year when my wife and I were driving through Canada, we came by and visited your, your church and saw your, your ministry there and Canada. Tell me a little bit about how you got started in evangelism and how you knew you were called to be an evangelist.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (02:03):
Well, I’m here in the smaller Prairie city of Saskatoon in Canada. And I came out of a life of my father, was an alcoholic and my brother became a Christian first and he, he pointed me towards Jesus. And then as soon as I got saved, I just wanted to tell everyone, I just wanted to tell everyone. In fact, one of the first nations indigenous evangelists in this neighbor, he started calling me Sean Buck from my very first few weeks of being saved because I just wanted to tell everybody. And so I I was offered a position in my local church. I was going through university and my church said, we want a campus minister. We want somebody who will reach out to the university that you just spent four years. I got a business degree and I spent four years getting this degree and cared more about winning souls than I cared about getting the business degree, but I did.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (02:57):
Okay. And I got the degree and finished it. And so he gave me this position in my church part-time they sent me to Bible school in the morning and doing outreach in the afternoon. So we just started setting up outreaches from this local church. That was a sort of a bigger suburban church. And we just started setting up outreaches to the streets and to nursing homes and to hospitals and to prisons. And we started a drama company and we start reaching out into educational institutions. And before you knew it, we had 250 outreaches a year coming from this, this local church. And we were just going everywhere, including the campus that we started, you know, that that was the initial goal. And so, so I, yeah, I ended up being coming full time as this outreach director and and just whatever, there was a way to mobilize people into reaching souls and I was all over it.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (03:49):
And so, so we did that for many, many years. We planted an inner city church, which is where I am now. This is this is my office in city center church, which is in the rougher part of our city. And so we planted this inner city church close to 20 years ago now. And and so and we continue, you know, it’s a little tougher in this COVID season to, to, you know, get out into those public places. Our prisons are, are not, you know, not allowing us in right now and, and, and going to the streets is challenging when it’s cold in Canada. But nevertheless, we find ways to reach out. And so out of that context of doing so many outreaches God began to put on a heart, you know, you need to take this into other nations.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (04:35):
And so about 10 years ago, we birthed what we call a Canadian fire missions. And so we started to go in the context of not necessarily going and doing big crusades, but helping local churches with their outreach efforts, because that’s just really what I am. And 30 plus years of doing this and setting up outreaches and churches. And so, so the last 10 years or so been to 35 nations and and just helping churches with their outreach efforts. And then we have done some crusades and I’ve been pleased to join you inner crusade there in, in Brazil a few years back. And so and so we’ll do that when, when, you know, when the opportunity presents itself, but for the most part, my heart is towards evangelism coming out of local churches. And so I believe there are local church evangelists in every local church, just like God puts feet on the body.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (05:31):
I believe he puts feet in local assemblies of believers. And there are always those ones who are fired up. They’re passionate about souls. And my heart is towards those people because I were one of those people on. So just releasing them and mobilizing them and taking them into, you know, the places where God has called them to go, whether it be a prison or a children’s outreach or whatever it may be, you know, just getting behind those people who have that evangelistic call in their life. That’s that’s my passion as an evangelist right now in this season of where I’m at.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:06):
Let’s talk a little bit about doing evangelism in the context of Canada. What are some of the things that, that you’ve seen that have been successful in, in reaching people for Jesus in, in Canada? I know it’s very different going overseas. There’s, there’s certain things you can do when you’re overseas, but what are some of the things that, that you’ve done and you’ve encouraged other people to do in Canada?

Evangelist Brad Mayer (06:32):
You know, people are people and no matter where you go around the world people’s needs are not that much different, regardless of where you go, that we planted a church in the, sort of the toughest part of our city. There’s a lot of people on welfare, social, social assistance, or welfare in the, in the, just the direct vicinity of our church. And so they may get a a government check or some form of assistance, but many cases it’s gone in it’s, it’s gone towards addiction. What I, what I like to do with churches is I like to do almost like a little bit of a neighborhood inventory and just start to see, Hey, what, what, how can you tap into some of the needs that are right there in your neighborhood? And so for my own local church where, where I’m part-time I, in my own local church still has an outreach director in my church.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (07:22):
We saw that some of the biggest needs in our community were like kind of like poverty and addiction and when poverty it really related to food. We found that if we fed people, we’d get people. And so, so we do lots of, lots of food type outreaches, big, big Easter, and Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner, you know, with Turkey, dinner and such. We do barbecues in the warmer part times of the year where we get three and 400 people on the side of our church, in our parking lot, and just giving away free hot dogs and hamburgers, but always with the context of, we’re gonna give you this food, but we’re going to tell you about Jesus. And so, so we would, we would do many sorts of food type outreaches, and then whatever we can do to help people get out of their addictions, see these, these are the two big needs that I saw.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (08:12):
And he might be in another neighborhood where you might see that maybe divorce is a big, you know, a big issue in maybe a suburban neighborhood. I know churches that have addressed that are addressed you know marriage struggles, you know, those kinds of things, maybe financial pressures that maybe a businessman is facing. And so the context of a local churches neighborhood might define, you know, what might be the best outreaches that they could develop, because they need to know their, no, the people that God has called them to reach. And so we stepped into that by, by maybe doing, like I say, a bit of a neighborhood inventory, you know, what are the needs of your neighborhood and how it could you as a church? How could you as reach out and and touch those, those those needs. Because, you know, that’s when people hear, they hear the gospel when we tap into those, those needs in their lives. And and those things that, you know, those emptiness is that we can we can speak to those things.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:14):
And you’ve done a lot of traveling in the last 10 years overseas. You said 35 different nations share with me some of the testimonies of what you’ve seen God do in the lives of people as you’ve gone to these different nations,

Evangelist Brad Mayer (09:31):
You know, because I’m not necessarily a guy who does crusades. And that has often been the context of who an evangelist is. You know, evangelists, loosen evangelists, always the guy who does crusades. And so I get some of my supporters sometimes asking me questions, they’d say like, how many people did you win to the Lord and your crusades over there? And I remember I had just came back from Eastern European nation. And I was in Romania and my heart was really towards evangelists. So I think I spoke in seven or eight local churches. And in every one of those churches, I made a call who are the ones who are the evangelists in this, in this churches who are the ones who have you have this burning passion in your heart. I want to pray with you. I want to connect with you.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (10:14):
And in those seven or eight local churches, there were 10, and that’s not a big number. I know evangelists like to speak about big numbers. And we like to say, we led 10 million people to Jesus. And I came back and this person was pressing me for how many people did you win and your crusades. And, and and I, and God just told me, tell her 10. He says 10, but I said, I found Tammy Vangelis that I can multiply myself into. And one in particular we’ve stayed very close one young evangelist. And to me, one of the most awesome testimonies I think is that he called me a few months later. And I was running on my treadmill, just doing some exercise in my house. And I felt the Lord speak to me and say, go to Romania, take this young evangelist and taking them on an international missions journey.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (11:02):
So together we went and we journeyed into the neighboring nation of Moldova. So we preached together in Moldova. And then about a year later, he called me out of the blue one day and he says, Hey, Brad, guess what? I’m taking a team to Moldova myself. And to me, I have kind of a evangelistic father’s heart, I guess that made me so satisfied and so happy. And since that time we’ve been in two other, we’ve surrounded his nation now, and we’ve been to Slovakia and Ukraine and and eat Hungary together. And so levee, if you’re on he’s in this group. And so levy, if you’re, if you’re listening today, I’m talking about you. And so, and so it’s been, it’s been great to see, you know, us multiply ourselves. And I could tell that kind of story in Tanzania and Nepal, you know, so many different nations where God has just knit my heart together with young evangelists, who, who maybe didn’t have somebody who shared their passion or understood their calling.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (12:03):
And yet they’ve had someone then who could who could, you know, link arms with them and just say, let’s go harvest together. And so I think that’s so important because I had the same thing happened to me. There’s a well-known evangelist in my province, in the Christian and missionary Alliance denomination. And I was the president of the ministerial in my city. And he came to speak to the ministers of my city and I thought, wow, this guy has a passionate evangelistic heart. How come? I don’t know him. And he’s from another city in my province. So I said, let’s go for lunch tomorrow. So we did. And what was supposed to be a one-hour lunch meeting turned into a four hour hanging out together. And I came home. I was on cloud nine and I realized spending time with another evangelist. I got more out of that than going into five conferences. It just was so energizing. And so, so uplifting to me to share stories with him and then hear his stories and share my stories, and we understood each other. And I thought that, and so that’s, that’s something often me that you need to go help other evangelists as much as you can around the world and connect with them and just, you know link arms with them and learn from them, teach them what, you know, learn what they know. It’s been, it’s been an awesome journey is really hard.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:22):
I think that’s a tremendous insight. I think having relationships with other evangelists is one of the, the keys to really stay healthy. As in evangelists, sometimes evangelists, they, they go on a trip overseas and, and they see thousands of people get saved and they come home and, and people in the local church don’t really always understand the, the excitement of seeing all these people getting saved and the miracles and everything. And so it’s really important for evangelists to have relationships with other evangelists to sharpen one another, to spend time one another. And I just feel in this conversation, I’m excited just talking to you, and it makes me want to go do some more evangelism and, and take it through together and do something for Jesus together. You know, and that’s what happens when one person is on fire that fire spreads from, from person to person, and you can put other people on fire. So you, you really have a passion for raising up other evangelists and pouring into other evangelists and helping evangelists to, to develop these relationships. So you, you started a new group called life, which stands for local and international fellowship of evangelists. And so tell me a little bit about the group and who’s invited to be a part of the group and what your vision is for this, this group.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (14:52):
Well, my, my passion is, is as we’ve already been sharing, you know, to just, you know, mobilize and motivate and encourage and, and, you know exhort, those who have that evangelistic calling. But I think one thing that’s unique about this life group is that it recognizes the local evangelists and that Al that Helen LA life, is it a local and international there’s people who are doing some international things, but right in my city, there are 15, 16, 17 people that I connect with that have different forms of an evangelistic call on their life. And I love it. I love connecting with them, and it could be anything from a children’s minister to a prison chaplain and see sometimes people just need that, that confirmation, that someone else comes alongside them and say, you know what? You are an evangelist. And they were like, really me.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (15:43):
Yeah, yeah. You, and then that just sets them on fire to go do what they’re called to do. I remember one time I was preaching in the Philippines and I often will pray over people’s feet. I’ll get down on my knees. And the Bible says, how beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news? And I just, you know, I’ve always felt, you know, the evangelist, you’re like the feet of the body. And just as a symbolic thing, I’ll get down on my knees and I’ll pray over the feet of people. And so often make a call in a church for people to come and and we’ll pray over their feet. And as I was praying, sometimes you’ll end up prophesied and you’ll say no, saying something. So I’m not even seeing their faces. And there was this skinny girl, and I started to speak over her that you are a nation changer.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (16:24):
You are on a life transforming evangelists. And the whole church started going, Whoa, like, wow. I was like, how does he know this? It turns out this young girl, I love meeting people like this, this young girl, she would go and buy containers of rice and she’d go on a jeepney they the form of transport in the Philippines. And she jumped on a Jeep knee and she preached to the Jeep, me drivers. And she preached, preached to the people who would ride those forms of transport all day. And she just shared Jesus with people day in and day out. And she’s, she seems so meek and mild and almost crying when I was praying for. But when she’d get out there into the world, she was like a bold as a lion. And and she just received affirmation that day that she absolutely needed. And and we’ve stayed connected. I believe she may be on this life group as well. And so and so it’s good to, to make those connections. I remember a cab driver in, in Israel ministering in Israel, a taxi driver who does nothing but share the gospel. He says, I don’t care if it’s Jewish, Muslim Orthodox. He goes, I don’t care. He goes, I preach Jesus all day. Every day.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
I thought it sounds like an evangelist.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (17:38):
Exactly. I said that taxi driver is probably more of an advantage as the minivans in the world, just because he shares Jesus day in and day out every day. And when I meet guys that, I just like, I’m thinking, yeah, I found my people, you know, I’ve found one of my own. And so, so yeah, my heart is towards connecting. We, we set up a Facebook group. We had a more informal group before the Facebook group in terms of people who wanted to sign up and just become like a life member or start a life chapter in their city. And so we, we’ve done a little bit of work towards that. But as far as, you know, an easy way to connect yeah, just local and international fellowship evangelists, or life on Facebook. And, and and someone can find, find out about that or through our website, you know, Canadian fire.org, a person can find out more about connecting with other evangelists and learning from them and growing.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (18:35):
I learned so much from you, Dr. Daniel. I just, I really did. You’re younger than me, but you just had opportunities that I’ve never had. And so I’ve got a good evangelist friend in another part of Canada, and he says this all the time. He says, your mind is like an elastic band. And once it’s been stretched out, you know, and it’s been exposed to new things, it can never return to a state that it was in before. And and that’s what happened when I went to Brazil with you as a, I thought I should be doing more crusades. I should be doing what doctor Dr. Daniel King is doing. You know, I should be doing this. It just here in Canada though, where have I been exposed to that? Nowhere, you know, I haven’t, I haven’t, but you know, you’re in a city where you’ve had TLR born and you’ve had so many great evangelists coming out of Tulsa. That’s, that’s a, that’s an advantage you’ve had that I haven’t had. And so, so I learned everywhere I go, I always want to be a continual student. And if I can be a teacher to others then let’s do that. Let’s, you know, help mobilize young Angela sold evangelists and move around the world and, and bring Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:39):
Amen. Well, there will be more opportunities to do crusades and do amazing things for Jesus together. And, and I believe that you will see God do great things in the future through your ministry. And so if you’re listening and you want to connect with other evangelists, you want to build relationships with other evangelists find the Facebook page. I’ll, I’ll, I’ll post a link to it. And I’ve actually been posting episodes from the evangelism podcast on the Facebook page, just so people can get to know one another as I interview different evangelists. And I think it is really wonderful for evangelists to share their testimonies with one another, to tell everyone what they’re doing, because that encourages others. I think it also stretches our faith. When we see the testimonies see the pictures, see what God is doing in the lives of others. And, and it sparks ideas. I was like, Hey, I could do that. I want to do that. Let’s go.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (20:42):
Yes. Yes. So, yes, I think, I think it’s awesome when we can steal each other’s or borrow absolutely.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:50):
Any of my ideas you are welcomed to have, and

Evangelist Brad Mayer (20:53):
Yes, exactly. If it brings people to Jesus. Yeah, absolutely. Those are more important than, you know, owning an idea. And so

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:02):
Brother, Brad, thank you so much for joining me on the evangelism podcast. Love your ministry, love what you’re doing in Canada and around the world. God bless you.

Evangelist Brad Mayer (21:12):
You too. Thanks

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:14):
So much for listening today. Could you do me a favor? Go to Apple iTunes, find the evangelism podcast with Daniel King and leave us a review. Those reviews will help other people who are interested in evangelism find this podcast. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (21:35):
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Working in a Restricted Access Country

I can’t tell you his name but today we will call him John. He is working in a restricted access country in the Middle East with a Muslim majority. He works with Muslim background believers.

Questions: 

How did you end up going to this country.

How are you reaching Muslims?

  • International Schools
  • Monthly Seminars
  • Book Translation – Sleeping Teachers
  • Coffee Shop
  • Church
  • Holy Spirit Conference

What are some testimonies of Muslims who you have been able to reach with the love of Jesus?

What are some of the challenges of working in a restricted access country?

Why is Jesus different than everyone else?

How does healing and words of knowledge and other gifts of the Holy Spirit help bring Muslims to Jesus?

Why is it important to be motivated by love?

Quote from Daniel King: Our goal is not to win an argument, but to win a soul.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
What is God doing in the Muslim world?  Today I interview a missionary in a restricted access nation. And it’s so secret that I can’t even tell you his name.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:15):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:50):
Hey, welcome to the evangelism podcast. This is Daniel King. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. We have a special guest, but I can’t tell you his name. So we’re just going to call him John. He’s working in a restricted access country in the middle East that has a Muslim majority. He works with Muslim background believers and he leads Muslims to Jesus brother. Thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast.

John (01:18):
It’s great to be here with you, Daniel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:21):
So tell me, how did you end up working in this country? We’re not going to tell everyone what country you’re working in, but it’s a country that has a Muslim majority. How did you end up going there?

John (01:34):
Well, I was in some live God Bible school back in 79 in central Florida. And speaker George Verwer https://georgeverwer.com came and was speaking in our chapel service and that whole service, he talked about this particular nation and how that it was the largest unreached nation in the world. And the reason was, was because so few were willing to pay the price to go there. And when he said that something inside me leaped up and I, and I just said, Lord, I’ll go. And that was the beginning.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:05):
And so how long have you been there now?

John (02:09):
Well, over the last 34 years, most of the time we’ve been in this nation live there and have done many things.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:18):
Tell me some of the types of ministry that you are able to do.

John (02:24):
We pastoring an international church and also we are involved with book translations, which we have we believe that this is very, very important and effective. We do seminars in every month in a different city of that country. We also have, have a school it’s online as well. I saw him international school of ministries in the language of the people. And so we use that we have annual Holy spirit conferences where we invite a brethren believers from all over the nation to come. God has done awesome things in those conferences. And so there’s many ways that we’ve been working to reach that nation.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:10):
And so it is a Muslim majority nation. And of course, many of the people there are Muslim. How are you reaching Muslims with the love of it?

John (03:21):
Jesus. Yeah. Yeah,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:25):
‘Cause, it’s, it’s, it’s a challenging in some countries. Like if you were to be working in, in Mexico, you’d be able to put up posters and flyers and invite people to come to a meeting churches aren’t very open, but in the country that you’re working in, which is restricted access you, you can’t be open about it. But you want to show the love of Jesus to people.

John (03:54):
Let me give you a couple quick testimonies. Some years ago, maybe five years ago, the Lord had put it on my heart to get our people to write five names on a card and five names of five people. They felt were the most open to the gospel. And we would begin to pray for the people that they’d come into contact with on a regular basis. And then I would teach them how to pray over those people. And we would continue to pray and target those people, carry them in our wallets or purses, whatever, and pull them out and just pray for them until we seen, we would see change on my card was my neighbor and we’d become friends and I prayed regularly over him. And eventually we became really good friends and I would slip in a testimony now.

John (04:45):
And then he was from a Muslim background Alavi, which says the Shia side of Islam and wasn’t real radical or anything, but he that’s that he and his family, four children, a great wife, they, they followed the Alavi teachings. But when one day in June that year that they had come to the Lord, they were sitting in my living room and I had been praying for families to come work with us in the church because we had no real families. And so one day we were sitting there in the month of June and the whole family is sitting there and the Holy spirit said, you were praying for family here. Here’s your family. And I’m like, no, no, no, I I’m talking about already saved already ready to, to work and labor with us and help us. And the Holy spirit said, no, that’s your job.

John (05:37):
And so I said, okay, we’ll buy by November of that same year, I woke up one morning and I felt the Holy spirit say today’s the day the baby’s coming. And I went into a coffee shop where we, that we have. And he came in and we were talking. And anyway, eventually I was ended up at his house and leading both he and his wife to Jesus and their whole family have now one of the strongest dedicated families in our church today. And soon after that, his partner in business, a cousin of his came to the Lord. And he’s been serving the Lord faithfully since, but can I give you a couple of testimonies? How we reach out how we will.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
So a lot of your advantage

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:24):
[Inaudible] is happening. One-On-One yeah. Building relationships with people over a period of time.

John (06:30):
Yeah. And I would say much, like we see in the new Testament with, with the disciples of Jesus, they were related, they were they worked together, you know they were people that we were in contact with. And so that’s who we’re called to be a witness to, you know one day I was at my barber and a guy I go to often and he’s cutting my hair in the middle of cutting my hair. He says, do you know anyone who could tell me anything about Jesus? And I was like, shocked, you know, he’s Muslim. And that’s it.

Daniel King (06:59):
Good question. I said, I’m ready to answer that question for sure.

John (07:03):
I looked at him. I said, well, as a matter of fact, I can, I teach the Bible, Oh, can you get me a Bible? He said, I said, sure, do you have one in your car now? I said, no, but I can get you one. I promise. And so after, after the haircut where we always sit out front and drink Turkish coffee and watch traffic go by and we’re sitting there and he goes, why do you only love Jesus? I said, I don’t only love Jesus. I love everyone. No, no, no. He says, why do you think Jesus has different? So different than everyone else? I said that I can answer you. So his brother who runs a kebab shop next door, he says to him, come over and listen to this guy. So he jumps over the wall and pulls up a chair. And the two of them are sitting there and they’re saying, tell me why Jesus is different.

John (07:47):
And so I laid out the simple gospel to them. And then at the end, I said, here’s another way you can tell Jesus is different than anyone else bring a sick person here right now. And I said, I’ll lay hands on them and pray for them in the name of, of my name. And I said, I guarantee you nothing will happen. And then I’ll let you lay hands on them and pray for them in the name of Mohammed or Ali or anybody else you want to. And I guarantee you nothing will happen. I said, but then let me lay hands on them in the name of Jesus, because that’s where the life and the power is. And right away, the brother says I’ve been having problems in my stomach. I can’t eat certain foods. And do you think Jesus would heal me? I said, sure.

John (08:30):
I reached over. I put my hand on his stomach, prayed up simple, direct, powerful prayer. And as soon as I said, amen, the barber guy jumps up and grabs his head. He goes, you’re not going to believe this. I said, what? I had a dream. He said two days ago, and you were in my dream and I saw you do what you just did to my brother. I’m like, God, you set me up. And it made me realize, anytime we step out, we’ll find out because of our obedience and our love for people that we’ll find God has already been there, orchestrating and setting things up for us. And so he was healed shortly after that shopping a couple blocks up the road at a supermarket and the owner sees me and he says, Hey, I hear you pray for people and they get better.

John (09:20):
I said, yeah, that’s right. He goes, well, we got a young man here. Who’s got severe back pains. Would you pray for him? I said, sure. So they called him in. He came in and we went to the back stock room and everybody gathered around and I said to him, I said, do you know why Jesus wants to heal you? He said why? I said, because he loves you. And he has a plan for your life. That’s so much better than the plan you have. Do you understand? He said, yes. And then I laid hands on him and prayed for him. And in the Lord touched him and healed him. It was so powerful. W I was out walking one day and went to my barber and he’s, he’s talking with some other Muslim guys in there and he comes to me.

John (10:03):
He says, I’m going to have an operation in five days because I’ve got these really bad back pains from carrying this meat and stuff, you know, he’s a big guy and turned around and walked away. Well, I walked over to him and I said, do you have pain right now? He said, yeah. I said, give me your hand. And he’s like, what? And while he’s looking at me with this curiosity, he gives me his hand. And I said, I pray for people and they get better. Oh, okay. So I just, they’re all staring at me. These four Muslim guys were standing there, all just staring at me. And I just prayed press in the name of Jesus. I command the pain to leave this back. And father, I pray for healing to flow into him right now. Let your Holy presence come all over Samir right now in Jesus name.

John (10:49):
And then I said, amen. I didn’t pray a real long prayer. And I said to him in a very short time, you’re going to see a big change. He said, inshallah. And I said, no, inshallah. I said, you’re going to see a big change. So I walked out two days later, I’m out walking with two of my girls. And I said, let’s check on Samir. We walked over. He standing in the doorway of his, his butcher shop and he sees me and he smiles and he says, Oh man, he goes, five minutes after you left, all the pain was gone. Please come in and sit down and have a tea. So I went and sat down and he’s telling me how he was checked out. And he was completely healed. And drinking this, he brought me a soda water, and then a guy comes in, he’s a truck driver.

John (11:34):
And it was delivering meat to him and stuff. Well, he comes in and they’re talking in Arabic. That’s the language in that particular area. And they come over and they said to me, the butcher says, he’s got pain in his back too. Would you pray for him? I’m like, I looked at the guy and I said it because he said his right arm was numb. He had pain that went all the way down his leg. And it was mainly in his back. And I said, do you want to keep this pain? And he looked at me like I was crazy, but Jesus was that way. You know, what do you want? Well, I want you to pray for me. I said, okay. So I said, give me your hands. So he gave me his hand. I prayed a simple prayer. And before I could finish this guy is like looking up and turning around and twisting around saying, well, who touched me?

John (12:20):
What did you do? And the butcher says, he can’t believe he says all the is gone. There’s healing in his arm. He said that he can feel again. And he was so excited and, and he was saying all of this, all of that. I said, Allah, didn’t do that for you. I said, Jesus did that for you. And so he runs out to his truck. He brings his wife. And this is in the butcher shop. And his wife, he says, she’s had problems with her throat. She can’t swallow many foods. Could you pray for her? I said, sure. As soon as I put my hand on her head, the Holy spirit came all over her. You could. And she started crying and she started to shake. She’s never been in a Benny Hinn meeting or anything. She didn’t know she was supposed to do that. She’s a Muslim background. This was so in the Holy spirit, came all over this woman and completely healed her. And the husband said, do you have a business card or something? And the butcher guy started laughing. He goes, this isn’t a business. He said. And then he kind of said, if you need anything more, you just tell me, I know how to get ahold of him. He’s my friend.

John (13:32):
But I believe in being a witness. And you know, when you, when you’re Jesus to a world that’s suffering, I don’t care what their background is, how deceived and what the darkness is. It’ll draw people in, open the door for you. And it’s love it’s based out of love for people. It’s not going to happen. If you, if you’re just trying to do Hocus Pocus, abracadabra, that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a genuine heart based love for people that starts with the Holy spirit. That’s that love that’s been poured out in our hearts by the Holy spirit

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:11):
Every year you do a Holy spirit conference. And it sounds like really your secret for reaching people is relying on the gifts of the Holy spirit. You’ve mentioned healing, words of knowledge God’s sending dreams and visions to people. Talk to me a little bit about why it’s important to be filled with the Holy spirit when you’re working in a difficult area.

John (14:39):
Yeah, well, he’s called our helper and he was sent to us for a reason. And every year I teach, we have, we’ve done this for 17 years. Now, this Holy spirit conference, we believers from all over the nation to come. You know, the Holy spirit works in two ways. He works in us and he works when he comes upon us. And it’s clear, you know, when the disciples were filled in John, the first ones that were saved and when John 20, when Jesus breathed on them and said, receive the Holy spirit. Well, they did. I mean, obviously if Jesus said, do you receive the whole, you would. And he blew. He breathed on them. They received the Holy spirit, but then he telled the told the same disciples, wait for the Holy spirit, wait for this gift in Jerusalem. Well, that’s another work of the Holy spirit, the Holy spirit work upon us.

John (15:24):
And so the first one is for salvation and it has to do with developing those fruit of the spirit in our lives. But the second work is for empowerment for being a witness in Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria and to the animals parts. And so we, we want both, you know, it starts with that first work of salvation. We have the Holy spirit, but then we need that empowerment to be witnesses. And that’s our theme every year, the work of the Holy spirit in the life of the believer, the work of the Holy spirit in the life of the church. And I can’t get away from the, the, the need for us to understand that this has to work out of a love for God and a love for people because we, we tend to can things in the church. You know, we, we bottle it up and we sell it or we promoted, but the gifts work always best and more effective and powerfully when love is the motive in, in that love can only come from God.

John (16:21):
And so we, we teach about that. We talk a lot about that. And so, you know, every year we see many people filled with the Holy spirit for the first time. And we were I was just telling a story yesterday about while we were in the nation of Bulgaria and had right after the wall came down and had massive citywide revival. And we had groups come in, we had believers come from nine different nations that were 114 believers sent out in the daytime. We would send them out in small groups. And the rain of the Holy spirit was coming upon that nation at that time. And people were coming back with such wild testimonies of how God touched people, supernaturally, how the mute spoke for the first time. I literally, with my own eyes saw blind eyes opened and a young 10 year old girls seeing for the first time her father was a policeman that it stopped me for speeding the day before. And I invited him to the meeting and he brought his blind daughter and God touched her. This guy wept. I tell you, as he watched his daughter reading signs on buildings for the first time,

Daniel King (17:34):
Unique way to get out of a speeding ticket is like, do you have anyone sick in your family? Bring them, Jesus will heal them,

John (17:45):
Tell you, you know the love of God and the power of God, moving through, manifesting in gifts that bring healing in life. God’s not out to do Hocus Pocus. He loves people. He wants to heal bodies. He wants to heal hearts and in relationships and bring people to wholeness again. And so we have the answer hallelujah. And we, we need to step out more, I believe. You know, I, I just want to say this. We complicated. Well, we, we talk about reaching Muslims. You know, we want to get into all their arguments and try to win them. I don’t do that. I do everything to avoid the arguments. You love them. I love them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:30):
Our goal is not to win an argument. It’s to win a soul.

John (18:32):
Yeah. And usually I’ll ask a simple question. Cause they say, they believe God sent Jesus as a prophet. I’ll say then why, why did he do that? Why do you think Jesus came? Why did God send him? And they usually say something like, well, he was bringing a special message or whatever, but I said, well, let me tell you why he came. And I opened up my Bible and I show him first Timothy, one 15. It clearly States God sent Jesus into the world to save sinners. And then after I read that to them, I’ll ask them this question. Was he successful? Or did he fail? Well, of course he was successful. How was he successful? How did he save sinners that opens the door to share the gospel? I believe Jesus. If you look at his life, he always controlled the dialogue. He led the dialogue. Even when the woman tried to distract him in some area at the well, he led the dialogue and we, as God’s people need to learn how to lead the dialogue and not get taken down some rabbit trail. And, and that’s the enemy’s tactics, but we’ve, we can love people, but we can be led by the Holy spirit and, and know how to reach people and with a simple gospel. Okay.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:49):
Another big part of your ministry is translating books into the local language. And I heard you call books, sleeping teachers. What do you mean by that

John (20:01):
Teachers? Yes. I told our people recently, I was so excited to get these new books into their language. And to know that these books are on their shelves in their homes, the homes of all these believers, I said, but I call them sleeping teachers. I said, these sleeping teachers, even though they’re in your home and on your shelf, won’t help you at all until you wake them up. I said, think about it. We’ve got these great Bible teachers anointed by God to bring revelation and treasures from heaven to us to equip us and help us. But they’re sleeping on our shelves. I said, you have the opportunity now to wake them up. And how do you do that? You just pull the book off the shelf, you open it up and you start reading and you can know, and you can be sure the Holy spirit will be there to help cause those words and that teaching to come alive to you and do equip you and help you to grow spiritually, which is God’s will for your life. And so I encourage our people to wake up the sleeping teachers, those great books, faith building books that we’re having translated into their languages.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:07):
So books are sleeping teachers. We have to wake them up and learn from them. That that’s a great way to spread the gospel is to do literature distribution. You’re working in a restricted access country. What are some of the challenges of working in that type of environment? One challenge is that we can’t share your name with anyone today, right? And also we can’t tell every one to go to your website to give money, because that would be sharing that when it works. All right. So, so what are some of the challenges of, of working in this type of nation?

John (21:45):
Well, you know, every worker like myself missionary has to raise their own support and that’s difficult sometimes because in the age we live in what you do right now, it can be known five seconds later on the other side of the world. And so we have to be very careful and I’m even taking risks now with this broadcast podcast. But many times I’m just trusting the Lord of the Holy spirit to protect me and to cloak us, we’ve seen 150 missionaries kicked out of the country. I’m in, in the last two years. And even out of the city that we’re in, we’ve seen every missionary kicked out. We’re the only ones left. And I tell you I said to people in the God who brought me here will be the same guy who takes me out and I’m trusting him and he’s got me covered.

John (22:37):
And I, I believe that all the more reason we need to provide the materials like these books, the sleeping teachers, so that if an ever I am kicked out or forced to leave, we leave behind things that will help continue to equip and raise up leaders, you know, in those nations, in our nation. And so we’re focused on that. And so it’s challenging because we can’t do open evangelism. We can’t be too open. You know, where, where we’re at, about what we’re doing. We don’t have the word church written outside our church facility where we meet, we just, it’s by word of mouth people know. And we have a coffee house, coffee shop that we use as a front. And it’s a bridge to reach people with. It’s, it’s a way that we build relationships. And we’re, I believe we’re, first-class, we’re as good as Starbucks. And many customers come, we have many people come right in the center of our town and

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:46):
We’re able to, and you know, the people come in and they’ll say, I don’t know what it is about this place, but your atmosphere is wonderful. There’s such peace here. And it’s an opening door for us to walk through and begin to share the gospel with them, to introduce the Prince of peace to the people that come in for a cup of coffee. Yes. Well, for those who are listening, I would encourage you to begin to pray for the nations in the middle East, pray for the Muslim world, pray for those who are working in the Muslim world, they need your prayers, they need God’s protection. And I would encourage you if you know, someone who is working in one of these restricted access countries in the middle East, the Muslim majority world if you could help to support them. Sometimes it’s very difficult for them to ask for money.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:45):
Sometimes it’s very difficult for them to report with what God is actually doing, because even the reporting of it and showing pictures and, and sharing numbers would put their lives at risk. And so if you know, someone who’s is working one of these countries, telling people about Jesus, I encourage you to support them, find them and help them out because this is one of the areas in the world that, that desperately needs a witness of the saving power of Jesus Christ. Yes, brother. Thank you for being with me. Amen. I’m calling you John today. And so brother John, we appreciate you being with us. Thank you for being on the evangelism pod. Thank you for the privilege. God bless you and all those listening. Thank you so much for listening to the evangelism podcast. Could you do me a favor, go to Apple iTunes and leave the evangelism podcast with Daniel King a review and your review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this podcast. Thank you so much. And God bless you

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Christopher Alam | Born a Muslim, Now an Evangelist

Christopher Alam was born to a Muslim family and lived in the Middle East. When he became a Christian he was arrested and imprisoned. But now he is a Christian evangelist who loves talking about Jesus.

Christopher Alam  was born in a Muslim family with Middle- Eastern origins. He received Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour in 1975. He was immediately confined in a mental asylum for his faith in Christ. Christopher responded quickly to the call of God and began to preach the Gospel. He was arrested several times and imprisoned for almost a year for preaching the Gospel. After being threatened with execution, Christopher finally escaped first to Belgium and then to Sweden, where he was given political asylum, eventually becoming a Swedish subject. It was in Sweden that he met is wife, Britta, in the church that he attended. They were married in 1979.

He is a direct descendent of Mohammad.

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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Christopher Alam was born to a Muslim family. When he became a Christian, he was arrested and imprisoned. But now he is a Christian evangelist who loves talking about Jesus.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:16):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:53):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I am always excited to tell people about Jesus. My special guest today is evangelist Christopher Alam. He was a Muslim, but he converted to Christianity. And now he goes all over the world, telling people about Jesus, brother, Christopher, tell me, how did you get saved?

Christopher Alam (01:20):
I lived in Pakistan and I, I will say Muslim man, never seen a Bible nor have I ever met a Christian until I was 21 years of age. But I had a lot of problems in my life and I was suicidal. I wanted to kill myself. And then one day I met him in Richmond on the street to begin to tell me about Jesus for the first time in my life. And you know, it was interesting because many people talk about it, period of searching and seeking. It was never that way. For me, I just felt in an instant that this is what I have been waiting for all my life. And I decided to give my life to Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:01):
Now, your family was a very significant family. Your, your father was in the military.

Christopher Alam (02:10):
My father was in general and I was an army officer, myself. My father especially was highly respected. And yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:19):
And so what impact did that have on your life when you became a Christian?

Christopher Alam (02:24):
Well, you know, in Muslim society, what happens is if a Muslim becomes a Christian in, you know, in their belief, apostasy is punishable by decks. And you know, there are many different reasons for that. So if it wasn’t gonna become the Christian, normally his family would kill him before anyone else got to him because it’s like he has dishonored his family. And the only way the family can receive, it’s honored by killing. And that’s called an honor killing as many different kinds of honor, and this is one of them. And so they wanted to kill me when I give my life to Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:04):
Wow. And you ended up leaving the Middle East and going to Sweden and attending Bible school at in Sweden, you met your wife there and then you came to Tulsa and went to Raymond, can tell me some about how that happened in your life.

Christopher Alam (03:24):
What happened was when I gave my life to Jesus, I was you know, I was a reserve officer in the army. I was first put in a mental hospital for psychiatric evaluation because the assumption was why would anyone do anything that would cause him to lose his life? It killed, unless, you know, there was something wrong with him. So that’s why I was in a mental hospital. I came out of a mental hospital. I was under house arrest. And then I escaped from Austin restaurant. I was preaching on the streets and I was arrested for preaching on the streets. And then they realize what was then I was in prison for almost a year. And then I came out of prison and then they you know, they did their best to get me to renounce Christianity and come back to Islam.

Christopher Alam (04:13):
And when I refused, that’s when I was threatened with execution. So I had to escape and I went to Afghanistan, the Soviet union, Turkey, Belgium. Then I ended up in Sweden where I go to asylum. And then I met my church. I met, I came to Sweden, 77, got a bit of asylum in 78, my wife at the end of 70. And I know I met her in, in, in, in church, in 78, we got married in 79. And then I got baptized with the Holy spirit. And then I heard of Rayma. Some of other agents books really changed my life. So that’s when we came to Bible school in 1981,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:55):
What a tremendous journey. And now you are an evangelist and you’re going to two nations, many different nations around the world. A lot of work in, in Africa, particularly in Zimbabwe and some of the surrounding countries. How did you become an evangelist?

Christopher Alam (05:14):
Well, I always felt a calling on my life, right from the beginning to tell people about Jesus and I started on the streets. I worked a lot in the beginning with drug addict products. That’s where I started hippies and drug addicts and drunks. And then I began to minister, to university students in Sweden after I had gotten political asylum there. And then I got brother Hagan’s books. And then I began to see the gifts of the Holy spirit in my life. I began to pray for the sick begin to see many healings and miracles and my first trip overseas. And I felt like God was leading me overseas, but I didn’t know anybody have money. You know, I had nothing, so, but God opened the door. So for a hundred dollars, I could actually go to hold him and spend 10 days there and preaching and Catholic churches.

Christopher Alam (06:08):
And we’ve got many people saved, healed baptized in the Holy Spirit. And on the last night the father of, one of the leaders in the Catholic student movement was paralyzed from his waist down. He was a paraplegic and God raised him up in an instant and that opened the door for me. So I began to go to Homeland and preach what were the Roman Catholics. And and so, you know, God began to do it. You know, a lot of what the doors that were open to me was simply because of the miraculous I saw you know, children, born deformed brain damaged, healed, blind, deaf people. I mean, huge numbers create the miracles. And then after that got up in Africa, India. So I began to all more and more crusades. Now, during this time, the early years I was actually teaching full-time at a Bible college I was at a lecture at a Bible college, and then I kind of left that as I went more and more into the mission field. So, you know, more and more crusades. So I left the Bible college after four years and I went full time into the missions field. And so my crusade ministry, you can say began in 1983 in 37, 30, 38 years now.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:29):
And tell me about what God has accomplished in the last 38 years, where have you gone? Where have you seen great fruit?

Christopher Alam (07:39):
You know, we have seen, you know, I haven’t lost count, but more than 1500 churches have been starting as a direct result of our crusades and many many people have been we’re pastors today, evangelists and pastors in Africa and Asia, and even in Eastern Europe were saved. And microsavings, I, I run into pastors with strong churches from places like Poland and and, and you know, Malawi and Zimbabwe Zambia, and also in, in, in India and Burma would have been saved to our ministry. So because the thing was that I was doing evangelism, but the thing I discovered was there was a little lasting fruit. The crusades were great. So I began to pray that God would send me some people who would work with me in that. So we began to develop a followup program and that has been very successful.

Christopher Alam (08:39):
So before every crusade, now we do it three weeks mobile Bible school in which we train the local churches on how to disciple new believers. So we do that a lot in the digital to the crusade itself. A lot of work goes into what happens before and after the, so that has really been the key to our late successful. And so, you know, because, because of that, because a lot of people have to stay in the churches, I believe that has given us credibility in Southern Africa. So the word has gotten around that if we come and do a crusade in their town, they know that the churches are going to grow. So you know what, that it takes years to build up that kind of reputation. So, you know, we do crusades in Southern Africa, South central Africa, and we work with other denominations in places where there’s nothing, we plant our own churches. Otherwise we run churches. We give them to the other fellowships and groups to run those churches. We also have a church planting Bible school. So know I’ve done a lot of things, you know, top of my we’ll call, it started Bible school. Didn’t start another one in Asia, one year Bible school with an emphasis on church, planting crusades, pre crusade, teaching post crusade. Follow-Up all that. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:00):
Talk to me about your process of doing post crusade follow up. We don’t want to just make converts. We want to make disciples. So I feel this is very important for what, what are you doing?

Christopher Alam (10:12):
Interesting? Well, the first thing I want to say is that the great commission isn’t just to preach the gospel. The great commission is to preach the gospel and to make disciples and to teach them all things that Jesus has taught. So it’s a, it’s a bigger process than just the preaching of the gospel and the alter. It’s a bigger thing. And I spoke to a problem in demand. I asked him what he did about, and he said nothing. That’s not what God has called me to do. The churches should do it. And I thought, you know, that that’s a good thought. But then I realized that most of the churches, like in places like Africa and Southern Asia, they don’t have the know how to make the second, neither do they have the motivation because they have worked for decades without succeeding. And so we realized, so we have to inspire them.

Christopher Alam (11:06):
We have to give them the know-how. So that’s when I thought, because good follow-up is a result of good training. So my thought was, how do we do that? Well, we do that by motivating them training the churches, in fact now when we do it in Africa except the church as a participating church, unless they cancel all their programs except their Sunday morning services and work together with us six days a week and let us train their people. And also, we also demand that we also require that a sizable percentage of the membership of the leaders participate in the we, you know, we call it the mobile Bible school. So when we do this, then as soon as the crusade ends, we, we handled the decision cards to the churches. And that would correspond to two criteria. We use, we divided map of the entire town grid.

Christopher Alam (12:05):
So each church would get a decision card from the immediate vicinity. We won’t give them cops on the other end of town. That’s the first thing. The other thing is that the number of cars to get to the number of workers provided to be trained. And then we teach them, we walk with them how to do the follow-up process. And we also teach the pastors how to get their first three Sundays after the crusade to welcoming the new believers, making them the center of attraction and getting them to share their stories and testimonies. And then of course, these people are visited at the church members visit to visit the new believers in their homes. It’s, it’s quite an alien, it’s this conflict.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:00):
You also see notable miracles when you preach. Tell me a story of one of the significant miracles that you’ve seen God do.

Christopher Alam (13:11):
Well okay. Now let me just say the fresh on the pops in my mind, this was in Eastern Europe years ago, and we were in an actually Roman Catholic. We had like 8,000 people inside 4,000 outside jammed. People were standing everywhere in the aisles and even in the vestry and in the back of the Jewish building, behind the alter table, there were about to be 400 people. And then while I was when I finished preaching, I began to pray. I suddenly heard people screaming and I look back and I looked over the altar table and I saw the top of the little blonde walking. And I had I remember I had 27 students on the Bible college in Sweden or with me, I was living in Sweden at that time. And they were screaming and weeping and pointing towards this child.

Christopher Alam (14:08):
I walked across across the alter table. And I saw the way that the child was walking. So I knew that she had been paralyzed. She had been laid. Now, the story of this child was she was born brain damaged. Our eyes would cross. She wouldn’t say her tongue was hanging up here drooling. She was in a fetal position. Her knees were drawn up like this. And, you know, she was totally brain-damaged. And what happened was when the power of God came on there, the mother put the child on the ground and people begin to hear the sound of bones cracking, and the fingers begin to straighten out the eyes were straight and this challenge on its own and begin to walk. And that’s why people were screaming. So, anyway, I didn’t know all this, but I, I took the child by the hand and I remember I walked to the front of the table and I immediately, my spirit knew that something immense had happened here.

Christopher Alam (15:15):
I didn’t know the details, but I just, you know, sometimes, you know, in your heart and I, and I suddenly, I felt this, this is how I felt. I felt like I, you know, there was I had, I had read somewhere, which says that no man can see God and live. And that, that moment was the Daniel. I believe that I was going to die because I have seen the glory of God. That’s how I felt. So I remember I left the child. I crawled up to the alter table and with a tablecloth hanging around this huge cement table and I was under it. And I, at that time, we had only two children, the youngest one hadn’t been born. And I pray for my wife. I begin to pray for the children that the Lord would take care of me when I be gone, because I seriously believe that I was going to die.

Christopher Alam (16:07):
Then I said, Lord, I’m ready. You can take me home. Then I heard a voice that said you hadn’t seen anything as yet get out and stand before the people. So I stuck my head out from under the alter table and what I see because the whole place was packed up. There was a space of about 10 feet wide and three feet. That was my space. I had stood. And I had preached suddenly. I saw parents bring about I think about six boys of different ages, totally paralyzed. And as they put them on the platform, each one of the six got up and began to walk. So I was, you know, then the power of swept over the crowd. And I took off my jacket and into the crowd because people were crushing me against the altar table. And I told the people, I said, we touched this jacket.

Christopher Alam (17:03):
You’ll be healed. Miracles are happening. Anyway, we ended the meeting one 30 at night. And then and then what happened was that I came back a year later. You know, I used to do one service in that church every year. And in July, I came back next July and the old men, the priest took me aside. He said, brother, I want to show you something. He opened the door and showed me a room. It was full of wheelchairs and crutches and things. He says for 90 days, for three months after you live every single day, I had a line of people outside the parsonage with crutches and artificial limbs and braces, neck braces, blesses hearing, just all kinds of things. He says. Then after 90 days, I stopped. And you know, when he finished, I saw those things. My head was spinning. I just know that there are a lot of things we don’t understand that there are dimensions. We haven’t touched, but when we preach Jesus that is when the Holy ghost comes down and God can do way beyond. We can ask a thing. And so that was probably on the most astounding and outstanding things I’ve ever seen in my life.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:26):
That’s amazing. I, I believe that God is raising up a new generation of young evangelists that will go out into the world and see a great harvest of souls. And I first met you when I was a much younger evangelist. I remember you were very encouraging to me and telling me about all the miracles and, and the testimonies of, of what you had done. What advice would you give to a young evangelist if you were coaching a young evangelist?

Christopher Alam (18:55):
The first thing I would say to them never seek to be great. Never, you know, a lot of people, our ministry center don’t see it, that seek to make Jesus exalted, make much, make much a big deal, make a big deal across on the blood and of Jesus Christ. If you do that that’s the first thing. Secondly, make a covenant with God. And I had to do that to do that 35, 36 years ago, the Lord said to me, he says, he says, I will use you. But if you make a covenant with me not to talk about the things that I have done for your life and ministry for financial brain, again, all for self promotion, this is, if you can make that covenant with me, I will take care of you. You will never let, and I’m going to use you.

Christopher Alam (19:55):
And that was, you know, a thing that really releases you because we, we live in a world and everybody wants to be known, famous to have money, to have this and all that. It’s a great thing to live a life when we are totally deliberate and free from that this desire to have enough. Another thing is a numbers game. Don’t chase numbers. I mean, honestly, since 1989, I have never put in my newsletter. So many people got saved or so many people in the crowd. I just put a photo up there and let people make their own game on. Yes, I know because I was told years ago by an older man about very wise, he says, Christopher don’t play the numbers game. And I looked at him. He says, you know what? He says, I tell you why people play the number of games.

Christopher Alam (20:43):
They think that if they have great numbers, that will bring great support. He said, you don’t want money from people by numbers. You need the support of those who join their hearts to you because let’s see the hand of God on your life. He says, that’s the first thing. Secondly, whenever you give a number, there always be somebody else who will say he had more people than you and others who would say you want to exaggerate says, don’t even go there. And I’ve seen whether it works. I mean, since 1989, never read privately. I can tell you, you asked me how many people do think I can give you a guess, but I guess as a guest, you know but, but the thing is that, you know, I tell people, I said, it’s good just to be free from these things free from the numbers game and free from the pressure of having to prove anything, because the power is not in us.

Christopher Alam (21:37):
It is impossible. So we have to wrap our lives around the cross and be in Christ. And that is the key to our having fruit and success and one man, a man of God who was a pastor, he said years ago, he said, brother, there’s a great difference between results and fruits. He says that fruits contain results, but just results are not fruit. And I thought how to that is, you know, the older you get, I’m 66. Now I’ll be 67. So you may begin to think of eternity and you think of life in terms of pleasing God, rather than the bigness of my ministry. And that’s why I’m sharing these things. It sometimes takes people to get it. You know, it took me years to get it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:29):
Thank you for sharing that tremendous advice as we speak, you are about to go to Tanzania for another crusade. Tell me what you’re going to be doing there.

Christopher Alam (22:42):
I’m working with a brother called doctor econ. The man is a legend and been in Tanzania. I think 46 will be seven years. I’ll be doing two crusades with them, with him. I couldn’t bring my own equipment and my team because of the lockdown, but we’ll be working with buddy. So I’m glad to be able to do these two crusades because last year I couldn’t do anything in Africa. Nothing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:07):
If one of our listeners would be interested in, in supporting your ministry, what is your website? How can they find you to find more information?

Christopher Alam (23:18):
W w w dot Pentacostal fire.com

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:38):
Wonderful. Well, brother, since you named your website, Pentecostal fire, you must believe in Pentecostal fire. W would you pray a prayer for the people who are listening and pray for the fire of God to come upon them? Amen.

Christopher Alam (23:55):
Let’s pray together. Father in the mighty name of Jesus. We come before you, we come before your throne. I thank you, Lord Jesus for the price that you paid for us, that you were you were whipped and bruised and beaten and crucified bearing upon your own self, our sins and our diseases. And by your stripes, we have been ill. I thank you, Jesus, that you have baptized us with the Holy ghost and with fire. And you have seated together who seated us together with Christ in the heavenly places on your own right-hand side. I thank you father for your calling upon our lives for the anointing of your Holy spirit, upon our lives. And I pray father that each one of us may, may walk with you and we use by you for your glory. I thank you, father, how precious it is to be called by God to do your work.

Christopher Alam (24:47):
We thank you, father in the name of Jesus, use each one, father who is listening to the sound of my voice, touch them. Father caused them to increase in wisdom and power in the knowledge of God, and then be anointed of the Holy spirit. May they all bear much fruit father confirm your word in their mouth with science forming in Jesus’ name. Amen. Amen. Daniel. I want to share one little thought that came to me when I was praying, you know, we are the five-fold ministry gifts and I used to teach on the five-fold ministry gifts and generally the apostles prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. And if you look at what the apostle does, he really does a whole bunch of things and what the prophet does and what the pastor does and what a teacher does. But you know, the evangelist in interesting, the evangelist has only one message.

Christopher Alam (25:41):
His message is Christ. That’s the only prejudice he preaches Christ crucified, right? That’s his only message. He just, this one message. He’s not called to do anything else, but preach this one message Christ crucified. Now, isn’t it amazing that this one message of Jesus Christ crucified must be so important in the eyes of God, that God would designate one of the five ministry gifts to preach only that and nothing else. Just think of how precious you know, that’s why I do with the fresh policies, the glorious gospel of Christ, which was, and custard to me. So the message we have, it’s, it’s a message of God’s glory. It is it just, you know, when people talk, well, the Gloria, they talk about something out there, but the glory of God, isn’t something floating around the glory of God is in the message of the cross that does the Laureus gospel.

Christopher Alam (26:47):
And this message, the, the salvation of the entire human race depends upon the preaching of this message. This one message, nothing else, all the other things that are important, they have their own place, but this messenger price is, is a message. The, that God has put the testimony, the terminal, the destiny, the salvation of the entire human race in this message. That’s the first thing. Secondly, God has promised to confirm this message with science falling. So miracles are an integral part of the gospel. So I have pastors asking me why don’t we see miracles in America? Like you didn’t advertise it. Well, the reason is there’s many reasons, but the main reasons, because you guys go preach the gospel, you don’t preach the cross. You know, and then the fact which I began with that this message is so important to God that God has designated one of the five ministry gift just to breach this one message. So this is something we must think what a privilege, what an honor it is to be an evangelist and to preach this one message. And it’ll be an entire power of the Holy spirit, the forces of heaven, get behind this message. And when we preach it, it convicts the hearts of sinners. They just feel, they said, what must I do to be saved? And then miracles began to happen. So what a glorious gospel God has entrusted.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:22):
Amen. I am thankful that I am an evangelist. It is a good job to have, and I only have one message, but I just keep preaching it over and over again. So thank you brother, Christopher, for being on the evangelism podcast. God bless

Christopher Alam (28:39):
You. Keep in touch.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:41):
Thank you. Thank you so much for listening today. This was a powerful interview with brother Christopher Alam. Would you do me a favor? Go find the evangelism podcast on Apple iTunes and give us a review and also subscribe your review. We’ll make it so other people who are excited about evangelism can find this podcast. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (29:10):
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Patrick Mmuokebe | Nigerian Evangelist Who Saw Jesus Four Times

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe is from the nation of Nigeria. When he was 19 years old, he saw a vision of Jesus four times. Ever since, he has dedicated his life to preaching the Gospel and he has now visited 51 nations to tell people about Jesus.

Key Quote: 

Miracles are to draw souls to Christ.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Bishop Dr. Patrick Mmuokebe is from the nation of Nigeria. When he was only 19 years old, he saw a vision of Jesus four times ever since he has dedicated his life to preaching the gospel. And now he’s visited over 50 nations telling people about Jesus.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:22):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism podcast.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:01):
I’m Daniel King and I am excited telling people about Jesus. Today. We have a special guest. He is a evangelist from the nation of Nigeria, and he has now traveled to over 51 nations around the world, preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to large crowds of people at the age of 19 Bishop Patrick McGee, baby had a vision of Jesus, not just one vision. He saw Jesus four times. So brother, tell me how that vision of Jesus impacted your life.

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (01:40):
Praise be to God is a pleasure to be here today, to share with you what great things God is doing in the now they visioned that I had impacted my life because it took me from smoking drugs, from Ganga five boys from living in this, you know, lifestyle of Michael Jackson, because I was playing him. I used to dance this Cobra dance like him. It was my mother and my idol. And but after that experience, when everything changed from that moment, I began to tell Jesus is alive. I told my family and my friends, people around me that say I’m crazy or mad. They said that, you know, does not appear to anybody anymore. I said, buddy, that he spoke to me. He said, I am Jesus Christ. This is a life on power. They couldn’t understand. My family was like, I’m going crazy. They wouldn’t take me to psychiatric hospital to look at my brain too much.

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (02:30):
I’m still walking. But I said, Oh, he’s real well. Within three, four, five months of coming and talking to me in four different times, everything changed my life. Miracles, healing began to happen. Cancers heal people. I pray for say that heal. Everybody began to notice that God is really doing something. And then I knew that God called me to preach the gospel to others, with the testimony of Jesus Christ. Because the testimony of Jesus is the power of the Holy spirit. And it is what brings change to people today. People don’t believe that Jesus is real. So don’t believe that Jesus is arrive. Some don’t believe that Jesus is who he say the word of God he is, but I’ve been to 52 different countries. I’ve talked to people, millions of face to face with healings of cancer. Also HIV AIDS with doctors, reports, ballerinas that doctors can never be healed, healed people that are going through poverty, being financially empowered miraculously by the vision of Jesus Christ. As I said that I’m a preacher and also a witness of his power today.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:36):
Oh, you’re from the nation of Nigeria. Yes. How did you first become an evangelist? Was your first crusade there in Nigeria?

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (03:45):
Yes. My first crew said, I’ll try it. It was in Nigeria. I in March, 1998, five, as I said, I smoked drink with my gangs and even love match. It didn’t be Monday night. I came home to sleep as usual. I wake up in the morning, looking at the street of my house, thinking about what I’m going to do that day. And as I shared my book on my messages, you know, suddenly I look like this on my left-hand side, Jesus was standing there. When I saw him, I want to run away. I couldn’t run. I want to move. I want a little move. I want to say, who are you? I couldn’t open my mouth. The glory. And the power of his presence is beyond human description. Nobody can describe the awesomeness and the greatness of who Jesus is. And from that moment, everything changed for me.

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (04:28):
When he spoke to me, I went to the restroom and tears were coming out of my eye. I feel like a burden lifted from me. I decided that day I gave my life to the Lord. I came out of the restroom and began to preach this Sunday. My crusade started December month because I was a colleague baptized, but I was a baby as Patrick, but I never take a church serious. I don’t believe in God at temple that God does exist. That churches lit in blue Bible is of the bad people, that churches, just a organization like lottery club and other clubs. But after that experience and encounter, I began to preach the reality of Jesus. I went to the Reverend father, told him about Jesus, who appeared to me. I went to so many people telling them that Jesus is real because it was so real. To me, it changed my life. I would say I’m trying to stop smoking. I used to smoke 20 stick or pencil, midnight hedges in two hours with my gang, my friends, I used to drink six bottles of beer CCL. And it came beer, all kinds of beers. But instantly after he spoke to me, the desire for sex desire for dancing, disco, the desire to smoke and drink, everything died instantly. And I began that day to tell people that Jesus can change lives. Instantly.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:42):
You started your ministry there in Nigeria. How did the door open for you to start to go to other nations?

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (05:49):
It was a miraculous intervention because in 1991, the Lord came to me and said, I’m taking, I’m sending you to Bennett Republic and took a Republic to possess the land by the Holy spirit. By then I was a pastor going to Bible school in Nigeria, in Abba and pastoring the church because the church I was pastor was founded by about six years ago by a pastor, a leader who had issue with the church because of some, you know, you have some moral issue like fornication with two members of the church ladies. And they went to church, find out he and I went by not the church. I was in Bible school as a student, a few months into geology, two years theological school. And I saw demand. One of the elders I was passing by the voice said to me, go and minister to him.

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (06:36):
I said, I don’t know him. What would I tell him? He said in his shop, in his business office, then the first one said, it’s dead for three months. Every time I passed there, I had the seven voice final. I go in and talk to him. He told me that that same week, the Lord told me to go is the wind. The pastor left that they have no pasta that he one meal time. And he said, please come and preach for us. I went there and preach. After I flipped reaching, the whole of the church says, can you be our pastor? That’s how I become a pastor going to school. I was like 23 years old. You know? So going to school, preaching pastor in the church, become the senior leader with the assistant pastor, working with the other guy being on that. Me. And that’s how I started pastoring. And the Lord said to me, go to Benin Republic and Togo in 1991 to preach the gospel. And I went, that was the first day I left the country to go and preach this country’s miracles, healings, deliverance. And from there we have seen so saved by the part of God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:28):
So you went first to Togo and Benin, and now you’ve gone to so many different nations around the world. Recently you were in the nation of Haiti. Tell me what miracles did you see God do in Haiti,

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (07:42):
In Haiti, we have a lot of testimonies. So for healing, for example, there was a woman that has a heart problem. The doctor says that they’re going to give her a new heart or something. And she’s in pain. She’s suffering. Like she kept to the crusade. When we prayed in the name of Jesus, when I’m in a big crowd or crusade like that, I can’t touch anybody. I can’t touch everybody because we touch one person. Everyone wants to touch him. So if I stay the whole night, I can’t touch everybody like some 20,000, 30,000, 50,000, 200,000 people, my crusades. So I was like, okay. I D I spread, put your hand where your sickness is in the name of Jesus. When I pray, I’m going to blow your hand to let her handle you in agreement and the inches of the water. What we me is going to touch you and you be healed.

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (08:25):
When I prayed this prayer to whom I says, she put her hand where the problem in the heart part of God came and he was shaking chicken, chicken. When I was praying. And after that, she feels like her fire [inaudible]. I used to loop. There was no fire. So she went home, wake up in the morning. That’s the end of the pain. Went to the doctor, touched, touched nothing, examine everything, no more pain. The cancer is gone. And she came to testify. The whole people, we are so happy people. We are jumping on a Joycean because I tell people this miracles are to draw souls to Christ. Miracles is not advertised. The preacher miracle is not advertised. The program. Miracle is authorized Jesus to let people know that Jesus is still the same yesterday, today, and forever. And what he did yesterday, he can do today. And that’s how people are so excited. We have people come in. Hundreds of people come in every day, every day for one week, thousands of people where there to be blessed by the part of God, by the word of God,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:23):
Over the course of your ministry, how many people have given their lives to Jesus because of your,

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (09:30):
Well, I would say is uncountable in the Nim that sometimes when I go on programs, I may not be able to record everybody. You know, like I said, in May 20th of 2016, I was alive on TBN. Mindy started that said we reached 118 inches over a hundred million people watch us live. And after that, I caught oughta call and asked me to give their life to Jesus. So I don’t know how much of the media, so Buddha watch me alive. I remember when they give their life to Jesus, you know, but what I know is that one of micro cities in Nigeria in 2002, we have 50,000 documented salvations in a desk who said Sunday to Sunday. And one crew said every night, wherever have a hundred thousand people. People came from everywhere and we have documented decision card for 50,000. Plus I come to the program after end of the program.

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (10:21):
So where I was sitting, literally thousands of meters of people come to Jesus Christ. And we continued to go. I was in India in 2019, this November, we have incredible thousands of people. We have touched many of them here. And there was a mine that the first person I prayed for my guest, even just Francis Xavier, who was with me, Haiti, who said does the last few weeks ago, he, when we come in, he said, that’s their family for 80 years, they’re married. No Chinese doctors have done everything to help them. They spend thousands of dollars in doctors. He said, please, will you pray for them? They want you to come and pray, but it has some testimonies of miracles that happen and they’ll prepare food. And where come. I said, okay. I went there to pray for them. When I was there. I said, by the Holy spirit in one year, today, it child, we cry in this house. Miraculously, not because of what doctors have done, but because of what God who sent me to India have spoken exactly one year to have that boy to that, that child was born last October, then about, so God is fitfully and God’s the answer prayers.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:24):
What evangelists have really influenced you? What have you learned from other evangelists?

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (11:31):
They forced the evangelists that impressed me so hard is TL Osborn

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:35):
Of course, Dr. Osborne is a great missionary evangelist from right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (11:40):
Yes, sir. In 1986, after I was up here at the minute 85, I heard about him through a book I read and I wrote him. He sent me his book, healing, the sick, they live in classic. Then I saw pictures of crusades. So he did that African another wall. And that has been impacted my life. I’ve listened to him. I’ve been with him and I’ve been in his crusades and I vetted Africa to been in the public. He came in 2005 and we have a wonderful time together before he went to be with the Lord. So TL Osborn is number one, number two, Reinhard Bonnke in 1987 for his false crusade in Nigeria, I was there and there, the final goal was born in the mid two more to go to full-time. After I, in that meeting, I decided to go full time. January 4th, 1988, I went full time with the Bible school to become a full time. Preacher, God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:32):
God told me one time that “the mission field shall become a mission force.” And for many years, people have viewed Africa as a mission field and many missionaries from the United States and other places have, have gone to Africa to preach the gospel. But now it’s amazing because God is raising up great preachers from Africa, great evangelists that are very bold in sharing their faith that are bold in sticking to the scriptures. And I think now missionaries from Africa are being sent out to, to other nations. What advice would you give to someone from Africa? Who’s called to be an evangelist

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (13:18):
Man of God. You are very, very, very perfectly correct. I’ve said this about 15 years ago, the last would be the first and the fourth would be the last. I believe that the last gospel we preach by Africans. Amen. Why? Because they’re the last of course, the sons of, you know, unsolved, Heim, shim, Jeff ethanol that story. But anyway, what do I say is exactly what God is doing? The mission field has become the mission force because when Christianity come to Nigeria to re Christianity in the 1960s and seventies, it came with reality of power of God through read through. [inaudible] tell us what, in 1957, he wasn’t named, but I don’t Nigeria. It has over 500,000 people came over 40 crippled and blind people got healed. I got delivered till I was born 1957. I was not born yet. So people that were there, like my spiritual mentor [inaudible] he was put on people that were impacted.

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (14:20):
And that crew said almost every body that was in that crew said at that time that I sit up believers, be called grid, men of God, today that God used it in Nigeria and Africa, I said, Oh, and I want to set this. God has given the African people the burden to carry the reality of the gospel of Jesus with the power of the Holy spirit, to other nations of the world. I said to people that did see that America saw in Nigeria is affecting the whole world right now because the two days that the church and never die and the church can never die. They get off hell. I never stopped the church. If the church is good, we can hear it gets stronger. That if you’re going to struggle, you get to church very soon. When he leave Africa, you go to China because China is rising up to power for right now where the gospel of Jesus Christ. So I believe if you have black minds to the people, if you’re a black man, this is your time to cut it. The anointing, this is your time to create the presence of God. This is your time to preach the gospel with authority and audacity because it works.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:19):
You mentioned Benson Idahosa, who is in heaven now, but he was a great evangelist from Nigeria. And you said that he mentored you in some ways. What did you learn from Benson?

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (15:32):
He inspired my faith. The first time I met him, when I was in Bible school, 98, did he come to bridge in my locality, the authority and the audacity that come out of his message and the miracles I saw changed my life forever. I know that if tell us when he’s doing it, he’s a white man. You know, can the heck. And he’s doing it. He’s a white man, but for me too, after reading about these wonderful people for 98, five seven, and see a black man, but you’re busy. And I was standing in front of me, manifesting disempowered on top of the Holy ghost. I was like, Oh, if I can do it and brought out with, to tell you by the grace of God, I’ve done it in many countries to the glory of God, I’ve challenged, DiMasi hate to face to face.

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (16:20):
And many of them said they would kill me. I said, bring it on because it will kind of knock. If I said before you come to, came in, right. Your wheel, because we don’t kill me. If I don’t die, you die. Because when you bring the sword, the highest sword will be there to challenge you assault. And I don’t think you can stand, go. So, or doesn’t have the authority. The boldness he has, which came from God, because if you know his life story, when he was bought bet bunk, he wants to be thrown away in a trach because he was not Britain. He thought he was dead. The father said, Hey man, where is nothing? I would have songs that I was sick. It was sickly. But God, the devil wants to destroy him from China. But God raised him up to become a mighty force. Almost every ministry you’ll see today in Nigeria, big ministry. So I called in about Nigeria now a hundred thousand $650,000. We all came out of it. The house

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:10):
God is no respecter of persons. He is a respecter of faith. And so any man, no matter what color, what religion, what place they’re from, if they will put their faith in God, God will use them for his glory. And so brother, you are a great example of an evangelist. You are a great African evangelist and I pray that God will raise up many more people, men and women of God, just like you. Thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. Could we finish with you praying for our listeners, please pray for them. Father in the

Bishop Patrick Mmuokebe (17:50):
Name that is above every other name, the name Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He who appeared and change and transformed my life and give me the power and authority to do December. His name. I come to declare, Oh God, that you bless every man. Every woman that is watching and listening to us right now that the momentum of your presence will be made available to them. That wherever they are, you begin to touch them, your spiritual life, their financial life, the material life, the marital life, their children, their husband, or children or wife, let your glory be revealed to them. Let them begin to connect to the supernatural power that is available today for winning souls. While your watch says he, that wind sowed his Weiss, let them become Weiss in the spirit and let it become active in reaching out, bringing source to the kingdom. Father bless them as they come to know that you are. Will you say you are in your woods in Jesus’ precious name? Amen. Praise the Lord. Amen. Thank you, Bishop. My prison. Be blessed. Hey, thanks so much for listening.

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Evangelism Podcast Host (19:07):
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Benjamin Gabriel | Businessman from the Middle East who Loves Jesus

Benjamin Gabriel (not his real name) is from the Middle East. He has been a highly successful businessman but now he is passionate about Jesus and  excited about telling people about the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

He was sent to prison for becoming a Christian.

He was beat up for preaching the Gospel.

Key Quote: 

If you read the Koran, you will find that Islam is a very controlling religion.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Benjamin Gabriel. That’s not his real name is from the middle East. He has been a highly successful businessman, but now he’s passionate about Jesus and excited about telling people about the father, the son, and the Holy spirit.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:16):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:52):
Hi, I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. Today. We have a special guest Benjamin Gabriel. Now that’s not his real name. It’s a pseudonym. He is from the middle East, and you’ll recognize from his accent that he is from over there. But I can’t even tell you what country he’s from because his family still lives there. And they would be in danger. He’s been a highly successful businessman, done very well in business, but his heart, his passion is for reaching people for Jesus brother. Thank you for joining me today.

Benjamin Gabriel (01:33):
Thank you very much. And I’m honored to be here, pastor Daniel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:38):
So tell me about your life as a businessman. You’ve made lots of money in your lifetime, but now you have a heart for preaching the gospel and telling people about Jesus. Tell me how that came

Benjamin Gabriel (01:52):
To be my life, my whole entire life. Since 1987, it’s still, what are they called for to reach the unreached people and to present Christ as the real Messiah, the one who comfort you, the one who saved you and through, I want to, I started being in business at the age of six years old. Believe it or not. I was six years old. When my daddy took me to work for him. At the age of 12, I was running two businesses. I had a horrible childhood with my father, an absolute the worst image of fatherhood. I forgive my dad. I love him. That’s what I learned. That’s why I learned that in Christianity, that the father God, but so much healing in your heart that you can live and forgive the people that hurt you. And I found so many things in Christianity that helped me out to reach the business side and my life I’ve been in all over the country.

Benjamin Gabriel (03:02):
I mean all over the country, meeting people, I mean, billionaires, millionaires people, I don’t know the, the know how much money they have. And in the last 26 years of my life, it’s been ma I’ve been a missionary in my field and a very successful businessman. I took one of the business. I ran to number 11 over the whole entire country. And I say very humbly, nobody before me in this state, I live in and nobody after me still beat that record ever. Nobody ever. And that glory is to God because God was with Joseph. Because of that, he was a successful man. Seeing the Bible, you can see a lot of promises from God that he will bless everything you touch, just believe just except him in your heart as a personal savior. Jesus Christ is the true God. He is the one that said I am the life that there was a reaction and the who believe in me will be resurrected.

Benjamin Gabriel (04:13):
They will never die. Why? Because he saves your spirit. He saves your soul. He saves your body. He saves all of you. And then that in his day he will come and take it to the everlasting life. He is alive. Jesus Christ is alive. Then in my business, I did this and I I’ve, I’m always bald. I I’ve never been scared of anyone. I mean, none. I prayed for customers. I prayed for employees. God gives me a world of knowledge about people suffering financially can pay their mortgage. I obeyed God. And in my thigh, I obeyed God in everything I do every morning. I said, God, I want it to be with me because without you, I can do nothing. But with you, father, God, I can do everything. I was able to preach the word of God in a very intelligent way and spiritual way to them.

Benjamin Gabriel (05:15):
Iffiest to the Muslims, unbelievers, Hindu. I mean all the religions of the world. Have I seen life said absolutely, absolutely. One of my businesses that I I’m sorry. One of the places that God told me to go on work, I work for probably $3 a month, but it wasn’t the money. It was the mission that I was on. And in this particular place, God said there’s 25 souls. I have ordained them. I have anointed them. I love them. And I want you to share my love to them. I said, God, you got to teach me. And I God so much because God, the father, God, the son and God, the Holy spirit. And without the Holy spirit, this is the mechanism of the Trinity. The Holy spirit came to me and taught me wisely. How to reach the unreached people. And all of a sudden, I, you know, the lunch hour or the 30 minutes lunch, I, I started with one person.

Benjamin Gabriel (06:21):
I said, Hey, let’s pray over the food. Then let’s pray to the heavenly father. God, just God, because they believe that they’re God, it’s like art. It’s a fake God, but this is not what we’re talking about today. It’s a fake God. Please study the Koran. It’s a very controlling religion. When a religion tell you that if you ever doubt the Bible, if you ever doubt the I’m on, you’re going to go to hell. Versus the Christ said, search all the books to find a reason for your belief. Anyway, then I started working there and the guy said, I would pray five times a day. I can do this. And I told him, my faith is, God is unlimited. You will leave that. He said, yeah. I said, then you can talk to him. He said, you think I can. I say, yeah, you can watch what I will do.

Benjamin Gabriel (07:17):
And I prayed my thank God and the joy of God and the peace of God was all over me. And he go and pray because he never done that. He, the prayer is a repeating prayer. Five times a day. It doesn’t change. It’s the same prayer, five times a day. And you can talk to God because in the Koran it says it can’t, you can’t talk to God period. End of the story. And if you do talk to him by accident, he’s not going to talk to you. Who are you the thought for him to talk to you? Anyway, then I shared the shared about God, the father with him as the Holy spirit commanded me. And then I start believing that God will do something. And he one gets saved and born by the Holy spirit and baptized by the Holy spirit. Then our lunch hour, this people see us sitting together and we have a very wonderful time together.

Benjamin Gabriel (08:12):
Then two people, three people, four people. It became literally exactly what God told me. 25 people received Jesus Christ as a personal savior. Number 25 was a lady. Am I going to mention her name? Because whatever, but I told her as I discipled all of them, you can’t, you can’t. I know that you have so much joy because now you born again. And the Holy spirit is upon you and God talking to you. And you’re going to enjoy a true person relationship with the true God, God, the father, God, the son and God, the Holy spirit and the Holy spirit will fill you up with so joy that you can comprehend. And she didn’t listen. And with a sail heart that she got decapitated by her own fiance for believing in Jesus Christ. It broke my heart very bad. And at that time, the, the, the man that was the big boss of this place and he came to me to purchasing.

Benjamin Gabriel (09:19):
I said, I need human office. And I went to his office and he said, brother you’re talking about Christ to people. I said, yes, I am. I’m talking about the father God. And he said, you know that I can report you right now to the secret police and all of the brotherhood and your life will end. But the fact that your mother and father are very willing, well known in the city. And I know them personally, I’m going to just fire you and don’t ever come back here. I did that. And I lived the place that God commanded me to go there and do his work. God has

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:13):
Moved tremendously in your life. And it’s amazing where God has brought you to. And I know that your testimony is very long. You could spend a long time sharing everything that God has done, but just share with us a little bit about how God has brought you to where you are today.

Benjamin Gabriel (10:33):
I walked into church and I stood in the end of the church and the pastor was preaching and I understood zero from what he, he let us, he was afraid of me. I don’t know. The church just started one after the other leaving because it’s how I looked. And toward the end, which is, I still don’t know. I still don’t know how this happened. I still don’t know it’s the power of God because I seek the God all my life. I wanted to know where the truth is. And I did walk by this particular church so many times, and every time I walked by it, there’s people shouting and they’re happy, happy the other religion nobody’s happy. I mean, nobody has happiness in their heart, zero. I mean, they get out of bed at two in the morning, three in the morning and in their heart, they’re cussing God, why you make it?

Benjamin Gabriel (11:37):
They were doing all this. But anyway, on some of them are grateful because you know, it’s just taught. I mean, I wish I have the time to share with you about the country addiction and that book, how many mistakes and I can prove it to you from that book that Jesus Christ is the son of God. Anyway, toward the end, he he asked if you want to receive Jesus Christ as a personal savior, come to the front. Now this is, this is what I don’t understand. And I still don’t get it. How did I go to the front? I didn’t, I don’t know. I mean, I still questioning. God is like, did you push me? Did you actually carry me and make me go to the front? What happened that day? And all the, the leaders in the church and the pastor prayed for me and all the sudden I’m crying like crazy.

Benjamin Gabriel (12:31):
We’ll talk on this, this particular time. It was four hours, snot and tears. And it was like a pub under me and I’m crying. And I’m like, all the sudden I, while I’m crying, I stopped. And it was, it was a vision. I was in the desert where there is no food, no water. And I was a baby. I was just a baby. And Christ came from heaven, was amazing, peaceful, light, and amazing peace. He put upon me for the first time in my life. I experienced peace, not excit and depression. And that’s the God that I worship. He will heal you from all the depression of the past and anxiety to taking steps toward the future. That’s the God we worship. And all of a sudden I had peace that I’m not kidding you. It is overwhelming peace. And his hand that he held me, he hugged me.

Benjamin Gabriel (13:35):
And he said, you are mine. I’m going to anoint you. I’m going to be with you all the days of your life and not, you’re not going to save hundreds of thousands. You’re going to save millions of life in your lifetime. Oh, what? The experience or the presence. And I, without a doubt in my mind, without a doubt, I knew Jesus Christ is the son of man. The son of God. He is part of the Trinity, the father, the son, the Holy spirit. And they are one, not three as others belief. And my life was so touched that that night I wanted a house and I couldn’t sleep. I start like one, I have a Bible list. That’s almost 40 years old, but I’m going to stop reading the Bible. And the Holy spirit came to my room and I couldn’t stop crying about all the sins and all the things I committed in my life, including converting to Christian, to fam.

Benjamin Gabriel (14:40):
And I cried. And I said, God, I’m sorry, I’m sorry. I will do whatever it takes to bring them back to you. I want it be your servant. And from that point on my life was never the same. You know, when I went to prison, I was so thankful to God. I actually praise the God said, man, this is amazing. I get persecuted for the name of Christ. When I got beat up for preaching the gospel, I was so happy because he said, come to me all your burden and have heavy heart. And I will give you freedom. I will give you peace. Jesus Christ is a personal savior and he is alive. Not like the other religion. The guy is dead. He died. He’s gone. What do you worship a lifeguard? Or you follow a dead one, dead, dead with a whole bunch of idols inside his coffin. I mean idols. Why would a guy guide sin from God, be among idols. I wish I have the time to destroy that book. I really do.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:47):
What is it that is unique about Christianity that makes it so attractive to you.

Benjamin Gabriel (15:55):
That’s a big question. And I’ll do the best to answer the fact that you can talk to God. You can talk to God any time. You don’t have to have five times of prayer. And I wish I have the time to share with you. Why it’s five times not 50 as God told the guy anyway, but you can talk to God. And the beautiful thing about it. It’s not like the other, all the other religions. Oh, I mean, when I say, Oh, I mean, all of them, all of them, none of these gods talk back to you. They have no power, none because they are the he’s alive and he’s, this is alive. And he will talk back to you. And through the Holy spirit, he will give you power to do things that incredible, super natural things that you can do. The Bible is alive.

Benjamin Gabriel (16:53):
The word of God is still alive and he wants to touch your heart. He wants to bring you to his kingdom. He was sick. All the wilderness, all the fear, all the anxiety, all, everything that is stopping you from being who called you to be, God is opening his arm today. And he wants you to come to his kingdom. He loves you so much. And I say the truth in love. He sent, he sent the part of the Trinity Christ, the son, the Messiah, the son of God to die for your sense. Then you can go through Christ as the righteousness of God, not condemned by your sins. You don’t have to work like the other religions say, you have to work for your salvation and no guarantee for Ghana, which is the garden of no guarantee. None, zero, because God is a deceiver. What a funny thing.

Benjamin Gabriel (17:53):
How will you believe that? But our God wants you. Once you receive him, your book is written in the book of life. That’s why I love Christianity. That’s why I have a passion for Christianity, the gods so much. He loved the world that he gave his only begotten son for you. Why don’t you take the step of faith right now in Jesus’ name? I break anything, stopping you from taking a step toward the things of God is study for yourself. Read for yourself. He asked us to read the books to have evidence for all. Believe he didn’t command you not to read nothing and be controlled by one book and accept them as his personal savior. I promise you life will change their happiness. You’ve been looking for all your life. That joy, that peace will never come with money, authority and power will never, ever come.

Benjamin Gabriel (18:45):
He’s the only one that said before you with the sentence, the heaven that I will leave my peace to you will not like the peace, the word give, but overwhelming peace and the Holy spirit on fire. You want the Holy spirit. You, when God started speaking to you as how you do it, you accept Jesus Christ as a personal savior. That’s what I love about this Bible is still alive. He still can listen to you. And all of a sudden, when you receive him, this is what the Holy spirit will come right with him because he said, I am leaving and I have to leave to send the helper. And the Holy spirit will assist you as why God is the father. God, the son and God, the Holy spirit and the Holy spirit is where you at right now in Jesus’ mighty name,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:33):
Brother. Thank you so much for sharing. I love your passion. If you’re listening and you have been stuck in religion, trying to make God happy through your works right now, I’d encourage you to cry out to Jesus. That’s right. Ask Jesus to save you, brother. Would you pray a prayer with my listener right now? Who wants to give his life to Jesus has been stuck in religion, but right now wants to cry out and experience a true relationship. A life with Jesus Christ,

Benjamin Gabriel (20:07):
Totally father God come to you. And the name of Jesus Christ. He said everything. Everything you ask the father in my name happened. He said if two and three gathered in my name in agreement that the prayer will be answered. And we’re praying to you, father God through the Holy spirit. Oh, Holy spirit. You are so powerful. Oh, Holy spirit. You can change lives right now. We are so welcoming you among us. Come and start moving with power. I pray right now in the name of Jesus

Benjamin Gabriel (21:01):
Through the, what they call their self Christian. And they have no relationship with you, non father, God, I pray in the name of Jesus Christ

Benjamin Gabriel (21:14):
The Holy spirit father, God will start touching their lives in a different way. Try them to your body, to the church where they can see the Holy spirit moving. God is still alive. God hears about you. Oh God. I, I see somebody, somebody right now is suffering with drugs. I mean, right now you are listening and you are suffering with drugs and God is standing you right now. Get in your knees and ask me, and I will heal you in Jesus mighty name

Benjamin Gabriel (21:53):
Jesus name. I see another woman. She is so, Oh gosh, she’s so down on herself because of all the abuse, sexual abuse G when through God is telling you, forgive your enemies.

Benjamin Gabriel (22:08):
The biggest commandment to love the Lord, your God, from all your heart, all your mind, all your understanding and love your neighbor as yourself. This will all, all the apostles, all the profits. That’s what he said. This is it all the old Testament, the new Testament. This is, and this is the greatest thing it can do. And I’m telling you for give them that you shall be forgiving and you can walk in the freedom of Jesus Christ. You are no guilt. There is no shame, father God. I pray to the nations that they don’t believe in the Trinity of God. Nothing is impossible for my mighty God, nothing. I mean nothing. And I pray right now, father God, but the nation for Africa, I see the blood of Jesus Christ is wiping the whole entire city under the blood. That is as massive at knowing thing from the head all the way to the end of Africa.

Benjamin Gabriel (23:12):
I see God right now, raising the church in America in Jesus mighty name, don’t fight God like Paul don’t fight God. You might not be Christian. You might be Muslim or Confucius or Hindu or Buddhist. Don’t fight the voice in you that is telling you read the Bible. And in the Bible, you’re going to find, answer for everything because the Holy spirit will help you to light up your mind. Like Paul, the apostle said, he said open their eyes. They are blind eyes. They can see they have eyes, but they can’t see. I pray for the God that you opened their eyes of understanding that your world will shine and the salvation will come. Nothing is impossible for you for their God, because you’re the alpha and Omega. And you are a loving God. Yes, you’re a loving God. Not in the other book. Not one time said that the God of love.

Benjamin Gabriel (24:13):
I think our book, he’s a loving God. He wants to love you. He wants to, he wants to you to love him back. He wants to trust you, and he wants you to trust him with your life. Because when you give him your life, your prosper and be in good health, psychologically, mentally, physically, you’re going to go into paradise on earth because God is with you. And when God is with you, who can be against you in Jesus’ mighty name, we pray and we expect miracles and testimonies to be happening in Jesus’ mighty name. Amen. Amen. Thank you for being on the evangelism podcast. Thank you very much, just honor.

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Daniel Keith Amerine | Using Music to Preach the Gospel

Daniel Keith Amerine is a musician who has written a song called “Redemption is Here.” The song talks about the work Jesus did on the cross. It is the perfect song for an evangelist.
Notes:
What is the difference between a performer and a minister?
How do you write songs?
Lyrics of the Song Featured in this Evangelism Podcast Episode: 
Title: Redemption is Here
Artist: Daniel Keith Amerine and Haley Joy Harris
Verse:
Pure Waters of Your Love
Washing flowing through my heart
I give You everything I am
The power of Your Cross displayed
You came. You died. You rose again
Healing Waters, flood my soul
Bridge:
I’m forgiven
It is done
Christ is risen in Redemption’s power
Chorus:
It’s Your healing flowing down
In Your presence resting
Your sons and daughters know
Redemption is here
And Your fountain overflows
It’s healing for the nations
In Your waterfall
Redemption is here
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Composers: Daniel Keith Amerine, Ann Ellen Jurasek, Timothy James Matthews, and Katrina Maria Matthews
Copyright © 2018 I’m Not Mine Muisc / BMI
CCLI Song Number: 7128691
Transcript:
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):

Daniel Keith Amerine is a musician who has written a song called redemption is here. The song talks about how our redemption comes through the work that Jesus did on the cross. It’s the perfect song for an evangelist.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:20):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:56):
To the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I’ve got a special guest with me, Daniel, Keith [inaudible]. He is a musician and has written many songs telling people about Jesus Daniels. So good to have you here. Thank you for being on the podcast.

Daniel Keith Amerine (01:18):
Thank you. It’s great to be here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:20):
So I actually know Daniel as Dan and we’ve been friends for quite a while. Do you remember how we originally met?

Daniel Keith Amerine (01:30):
It’s been a minute. Yeah. it was in 1991. We were on a mission trip from victory Christian school. I was an adult sponsor and he were 12 years old. We went down to Mexico across the way from El Paso. And it was an amazing week. As I remember it, there was 455 people that gave their lives to Jesus in a one week.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:56):
So my parents were missionaries in Mexico, in Ciudad Juarez, right across from El Paso, Texas. And we would go out on the streets of waters and preach the gospel. We would run from house to house door, to door, inviting kids to come to the church. And then we would minister to them and groups from all over the United States would come down and help us. And sometimes we would do five or six or seven services every single day, going out in the neighborhoods, just from church to church in over the course of a week, when a school group was there, we could minister to thousands of people. So what are some of the things that you remember about me back when I was 12 years old? That was a long time ago.

Daniel Keith Amerine (02:46):
Well, I remember you being fluent in Spanish and you were interpreting for me and the various other people as we are administering to those people. I was very impressed with that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:56):
And what do you remember about Mexico? About what God did on that trip? Wow. How did it impact your life?

Daniel Keith Amerine (03:05):
Well, I got to give my first invitation with a microphone for salvation, with your dad interpreting for me and one of those services.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:14):
And if someone gets saved, when you gave the invitation,

Daniel Keith Amerine (03:17):
The count that you told me was that 100 precious little kids gave their lives to Jesus that night and later even became some many of them became Bible school teachers. Do you remember telling me about this?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:30):
I don’t. That was a long time ago as a minute later. Yeah, but I do remember you coming down and, and we’ve been friends ever since. And one of the things I really like about you and about your ministry is that God has anointed you in the area of music. And so ever since I’ve known you, you’ve been telling me about the songs that you’re writing, that you’re, you’re working on, that you’re recording. And so tell me a little bit about how you use music to minister, to people and to talk to them about Jesus.

Daniel Keith Amerine (04:07):
Well our father is the master artist. He’s the master architect. He speaks in rhythms and structures. And when we dare to listen to his heartbeat and what’s in his mind for what he’s doing, there’s nothing that can’t happen. It’s like it unlocks the miraculous for years. I’ve been saying that praise and worship music is environmental you minister. And the Lord fills the room because you partnered with him and new songs flow or new versions of songs flow.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:50):
One of the things I really love about music as an evangelist is it can create an atmosphere. A fake music can create an atmosphere for miracles. When you begin to worship God, the presence of God comes into the place. And when you play music, people’s hearts are open to give their lives to Jesus. They, the, the presence of God comes. Sometimes it’s a very weighty feeling. You can even feel it, come down into a room and people begin to respond to the alter call as the musicians get to start to play. And I think it’s really important. When you are a musician to realize that you are not supposed to just be a performer yeah. That you are a minister. Yeah. Talk to me a little bit about the difference between performing and ministry, because I’ve had this on several of our crusades. We have go, w we’ve gone to a different country.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:55):
And we had popular musicians from the country, open up for us. And the music attracts people, but sometimes they have the attitude of a performer and they get up on the platform in their performing. And it seems like when that happens there, there really isn’t much anointing. People get excited and everything, but there’s not an anointed, but then I’ve worked with other musicians. And when they begin to sing, the anointing of God comes. And yeah, there are miracles, there are signs and wonders. People are saved when they begin to. And so I think there’s a real difference between the performer and the minister musician. W w what are your thoughts on that?

Daniel Keith Amerine (06:45):
It comes down to identity brother, knowing who’s. We are leads to knowing who we are, or should I say who we are flows from knowing whose we are. We belong to him. We’re not just servants. We are sons and daughters. And for those who know how to just forget about what’s going here in this realm and just know their father, he loves touching people through that. It just makes a wide open portal in heaven. Not that we have to convince him to touch anyone. He doesn’t need convincing. He loves touching people. But if something about a rallying point, there’s something about when they choose to sing the lyrics that somehow it soaks into the heart. And it’s about identity. It’s about identity.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:46):
Now, recently, I heard the lyrics of one of the songs that you have written. And as I listened to the song, I was thinking to myself, wow, this song is the perfect song for an evangelist. And so that the name of the song is redemption is here. And so here’s some of the lyrics that you say, the bridge I’m forgiven. It is done. Christ is risen in redemptions power. Then you say, it’s your healing flowing down in your presence, resting your sons and daughters. No redemption is here in your fountain. Overflows. It’s healing for the nations in your waterfall. Redemption is here. And I love that because it’s talking about the redemption that we have in Jesus Christ. Here’s another verse, pure waters of your love. Washing flowing through my heart. I give you everything. I am the power of your cross displayed. You came, you died. You Rose again, healing waters, flood my soul. So tell me what you’re trying communicate

Daniel Keith Amerine (08:56):
Through this song. It’s not a song of begging our father. It’s not a song of trying to convince him of anything. It’s. If anything, it’s stating the truth, he accomplished it. I’m forgiven. It is done. Christ is risen in redemptions power. There’s no sales job here. Nobody can sell to God. The deepest words we can say to him are, yes. Oh, that’s one word. He knows us. We might as well surrender. And so there’s, there’s terms in here, pure waters of your love, washing flowing through my heart. I give you everything. I am. I love the transition, just float in me one day. And just, there’s a transition from the declaration to the submission, the declaration, to the surrender. And you see that in the first two, the first verse there. Well, let’s go ahead and take a listen to the song that you have written

Speaker 4 (11:53):
[Inaudible] [inaudible].

Daniel Keith Amerine (15:19):
Wow.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:19):
I love that song. Tremendous. What a great song, Daniel. I think you are anointed by God to write music, to lead people, to Jesus. Really? You are a musical evangelist. And so when I heard the song, I decided that it was so good that I wanted to use it for a music video from a report from one of our recent crusades in the nation of Ethiopia. And you very graciously gave permission to, to be able to use it. Thank you so much for that. And I think that the music video is going to be really powerful as people listen to the words and then visually see redemption coming to the nation of Ethiopia. So Daniel, you you’ve been using music to lead people to Jesus. Tell me a little bit about what God has been saying to you

Daniel Keith Amerine (16:20):
Recently. I love to step back and listen to the bigger picture of what he’s doing in a service in a moment, in, in a room, in a hillside, in a city. And I love to speak his truth over that. I want to, I want to drill in and hear his heart and proclaim it. It flows in music. It flows into writing. How do you yet

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:54):
The idea for a song, talk to me about the process of writing a song. How does that work?

Daniel Keith Amerine (17:00):
I’m really grateful for smartphones. We didn’t use to have recording devices that are sitting in your pocket, ready to grab and record anything. But ideas hit me all the time. There was a tragedy, a terrorist attack in Paris in November of 2015. And that was a Friday night. The next morning I woke up in a vision. I was seeing Paris. The Eiffel tower was there. I was in the streets and people are climbing over rebel and there was crying, terrible suffering. And they were trying to figure out life. Then I heard this rushing roaring flood coming from behind us. And then as I turned, I saw this golden liquid just rush. It was like at least five feet deep. And it just rushed through the streets. As it hit people, their faces went from despondent, depressed, terrorized to a smile as they looked up to the lover of their soul and the father was moving and power in that city.

Daniel Keith Amerine (18:10):
And as I came out of that vision, I was like, Whoa. And then suddenly I heard the melody. I felt the words and the words just flowed for the chorus of this song. The verse actually was around 2004. I was worshiping one time and I had these, these lyrics hit me for the, the verse, but that was sitting on a shelf all this time. And then back in 2018, I got some friends of mine together and I was trying to figure out a verse for the song. I didn’t know yet the verse was going to pop off the shelf later, but this is actually a co-write. It was mostly written by me, but three friends of mine, Annie drastic Tim Matthews and his wife Katrina, Katrina Matthews. We had a great time talking one night and they didn’t. I mean, they came up with some neat musical ideas, but what was really cool was the bridge of the song was the product of our conversation.

Daniel Keith Amerine (19:17):
It was like, it just flowed from concept to concept, to concept the declaration of I’m forgiven. What do you say about that? Well, you, you realize it, it is done. There’s so many people walking around who are forgiven because God forgave us, but they don’t believe that’s done. So we might as well speak the truth, speak what you believe Christ is risen in redemptions power. So in that discussion, the concepts flowed, and then I was on a road trip to record some music at a good friend’s house down to Houston. And it was kind of crazy. I’m driving on the highway and suddenly all three things just snapped together. Like it was a little snap together models. I was like, what? I almost had to pull over and write stuff down. It was great. And I’m sure.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:10):
Well, I love that story of how the different pieces of the song came together. One piece you wrote years and years ago, and then God gave you a vision. And another piece of the song came together and then working together with your friends, putting it all to music. And so it doesn’t just pop into existence. It’s something that you’ve worked at God has helped you to create over the years. And so I think it’s just a tremendous song. So it’s a available on Apple iTunes. If you liked the song, go and download it from Apple iTunes, and it will be a blessing to you. So Daniel, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. I appreciate it. Thanks brother. Appreciate it being here. God bless you. Hey, thank you so much for listening to the evangelism podcast. Could you do me a favor? Go to the evangelism podcast on Apple iTunes and leave us a review that will help other people who love evangelism to find this show. Thank you so much. God, bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (21:16):
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Keith Wheeler | Carrying the Cross Around the World

Keith Wheeler has carried a huge wooden cross in over 180 nations on all seven continents. He has been arrested, thrown in jail, beaten, and had stones thrown at him. But he has had the opportunity to introduce thousands of people to the man who hung on the cross.

In 1985, on Good Friday, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA, Keith Wheeler began carrying a 12-foot, wooden cross. He has now walked over 25,000 miles, through more than 180 countries on all seven continents.

Quotes from Keith Wheeler:

The cross is a reminder of God’s love for all people.

At the foot of the cross is where the best of God meets the worst of humankind.

Evangelism is simply an invitation from the King of kings to sit on the front row to watch what the King is doing.

Questions for Keith Wheeler: 

How did you start carrying the cross?

What does the cross mean to you?

Please share some of the miracles you have seen as you have carried the cross?

Website: https://www.kw.org/

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Keith Wheeler carries an enormous 12 foot tall wooden cross to nations all over the world. He’s visited over 180 countries carrying the cross, and he has some amazing stories to tell about how Jesus has changed the lives of the people he’s met.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:22):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:58):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I have an amazing guest with me today. Keith Wheeler has carried an enormous wooden cross to over 180 nations on all seven continents. He’s been arrested. He’s been thrown in jail. He’s been beaten. He’s had stones thrown at him, but he’s had the opportunity to introduce thousands of people to the man who hung on the cross 2000 years ago. Keith, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. Thanks.

Keith Wheeler (01:31):
What a, what a privilege and an honor.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:33):
Well, first of all, tell our listeners what this would in cross looks like. Is it a little tiny wooden cross that you put in your pocket or, or what have you been carrying around the world?

Keith Wheeler (01:44):
The, the cross is this is the third cross. The, the first cross is still flying around the world someplace. The second cross is retired after 22 years. It’s it’s in my garage and the third cross is the one that’s that I carry. It’s 12 feet tall, 12 feet tall, six feet wide, six feet wide. And it’s heavy enough to remember if you carry it and it’s light enough not to be a sacrifice.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:10):
Wow. And so you have carried these crosses to nations all over the world. How did you get started carrying across?

Keith Wheeler (02:20):
Gosh, that’s, that’s a long story. That could be our whole program. I was a, a student in seminary at Oral Roberts University. And we had to write a paper on the Holy spirit who he is and what’s his purpose. And I come from a number of denominational backgrounds, some saying that the dispensation of the Holy spirit is passed and the age of miracles is gone. And on the other side those who say that you have to, everybody has to speak in tongues and so loud. And as I studied on this paper, I saw that Jesus said about the Holy spirit. He shall glorify me. He shall testify of me. In other words, the Holy spirit comes as a witness of Jesus. And then I saw that Jesus said you shall receive power. When the Holy spirit comes upon you in acts chapter one, and you shall do the same thing. The Holy spirit does, you shall speak of me. You shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem, Judea and Sumeria, and the uttermost parts of the earth. And then I saw Jesus in Luke chapter four, as he’s standing in, in Nazareth, reading from the scroll, he says, the spirit of the Lord is upon me for he’s anointed me to once again, preach good news. Then I read, Jesus says in Mark chapter one, he says, follow me. And I’ll make you fishers of men.

Keith Wheeler (03:50):
And I had this moment, am I following Jesus? Because I’m not witnessing. I’m not evangelizing. I’m not sharing my faith. I’ve I want my life to be a witness, but my words and, and has the Holy spirit really touched my life. And so I remember laying on the floor, just crying out. This is 1984. God, I need more of you more Lord, more. And eventually after four hours, I felt like God said, be quiet. I want you to listen to me. I’m not a stock or a commodity that you can buy or sell or trade. I’m not a part. I’m not a parcel. I’m not a portion. I’m all I ever was. I’m all that I am. All that I ever will be. And when I came to live with you, all I ever was, all I ever will be all that I am came to live with you.

Keith Wheeler (04:42):
The question is not you getting more of me. It’s me getting all of you. I didn’t feel different. I didn’t look different and smell different, but I, I got my, I didn’t, I didn’t know how to do it. I had taken classes on evangelism, but the problem was when I, I learned and memorize everything I’m supposed to say, but I’d get out there. They hadn’t learned what they were supposed to say. So I just thought I’m not called. And I thought, okay, where were our last people bars? So I got my study Bible, my Riley study Bible, my gospel, well tracks that were cartoons that basically said why you shouldn’t drink or smoke. And if you do, you’re going to go to hell. And, and I showed up at the bar where everyone drinking and smoking at eight o’clock, nobody was there. I thought, man, Tulsa is Tulsa is a Christian city, but by 10 o’clock, they had started to backslide.

Keith Wheeler (05:40):
And by midnight it was full, full on backside. They were drinking and smoking two o’clock the bars close here. And I still hadn’t spoken to one person because Daniel here was my excuse. I don’t feel led. And at this point in my life I back and I say, what does feeling led? Feel like we use that so often as an excuse. I mean, does it tickle? Does it Shazam? But I hadn’t spoken to one person. It was late. My eyes are sensitive to smoke and, and I’d never been awake that late in my life. So I looked like a glaze donut out there with it, big Bible and cartoon, gospel tracks, and three o’clock. The parking lot was filled full emptied. And I hadn’t spoken to one person and this guy came around the corner. I said, Jesus, if you want me to tell some, but about you bring someone around in the next five minutes, your name, I pray a amen.

Keith Wheeler (06:38):
And the guy came around full of adrenaline, full of fear. I’ve got my Bible, my tracks, my glaze eyes. I look higher than anybody coming out of that place. So if you diary now, you know what you’re going to have, and she’s done a cross. She has blood Rose again is live praise. The Lord saved. And I can’t repeat on your program what he said, but it wasn’t very nice. And he spent on me and I knew I wasn’t called. I got in my car, put the keys in the ignition and a big black SUV blocked my path. The tinted window came down and it was the same guy. And he says, are you that guy that was trying to tell me about Jesus? Yes, sir. You really meant it. Didn’t you can we talk? And we sit down on the curb and we talked till the sun came up and I’d like to tell you his life was changed.

Keith Wheeler (07:28):
And I think it was, but only God knows those things, but I can tell you for sure whose life was changed. It was mine because as I saw that those people in those bars and those nightclubs, the people on the street corners with a sign, the guys underneath the bridges, the guys in Moscow and synagogues and war zones around the world, the guy in the, in the penthouse apartment or the guy on the other side of the fence, they’re not monsters to be feared or creatures to run away from their kidnapped royalty. And I started going on a regular basis talking to people. I started, I became the original Uber. I made cards. If you’re too drunk to drive home, call me. I’m making friends. Then with the bouncers on the front end, I’ve got a captive audience because I’m getting rid of the bouncers problems.

Keith Wheeler (08:15):
I’ve got a captive audience. They have to listen to me preach. It’s great for followup. I know where they live. And if they were too drunk to tell me how to go home, I would smuggle the men into ORU. And, and, and then I started volunteering to clean the restrooms on Saturday and Sunday afternoons. I went, I met the managers and the owners. I said, I’ll clean your restrooms for free. That’s a mess. They said, why Jesus wash people’s feet. And before long, they were having me come in and speak to the people table to table before long, they were having me speak between band sets or they would shut off the the jukebox for awhile have me speak to the people and had given invitation people give their lives to Jesus.

Keith Wheeler (09:01):
I’m seeing people that I’ve never been around. People involved in alcoholism and addiction of all kinds, prostitution and gang life and homelessness. And two of my friends, Homer and Harold, and two homeless guys got in a fight. One night, they were drunk, got in a fight over the bill and they took it outside. And Homer broke his bottle and stabbed Harold in the chest. And I’m 15 yards from him and I’d seen it on television. I’d seen it in the movies, but I’d never, I’d seen people in caskets bad, never had seen somebody die. And it shook me because he’d prayed the prayer, but obviously it was no life change.

Keith Wheeler (09:50):
And, and it shook me. And I said, Jesus, I just speak. Your servant is listening. And I just sat there. Oh God, you know the city I need, I need to do something. People are lost. People are dying. I want them to know you. And I felt like he said, son, I want you to make a 12 foot wooden cross and begin walking through the streets of Tulsa on good Friday. I rebuke you. Satan. Get thee behind me. That was the dumbest idea I thought I ever had. I said, Lord, I’m sorry. I love you speak. I’m listening. And again, it was like, like when you see an animal get branded, it was like fire in my soul. I want you to make a 12 foot wooden cross and begin walking through the streets of Tulsa on good Friday.

Keith Wheeler (10:40):
And once again, I thought, okay, I’m not going to eat fruity pebbles and pizza together. It has to be indigestion. I opened a window to get fresh air, Lord, I’m sorry. I’m distracted. Speak. And a third time, I, this time I said, Lord, if this is really you, I want you to know something. There was a guy at that time at a local Walmart who carried across. I said, I don’t want to be like another, man. I want to be just like you. Jesus. And I felt like he said, son, that’s the most religious excuse you could ever give me if I called you to preach, but called you to stand on a platform, you would be honored. You wouldn’t say, but you’ve got Billy Graham. You’ve got Reinhard Bunky. You’ve you’ve got all those pastors, all those youth pastors, you just don’t want people to think that you’re weird. And I felt like he said, son, anyone can carry across. Simon carried mine. Anyone can die on a cross. Two thieves died beside me. Thousands of others have died, but only one could die for the sins of the world. And I want you to walk in the highways and the road signs, the places where the, where there are no churches, where there are no meetings. And I want you to lift up the cross. I want you to lift me up and share my love.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:02):
That’s awesome. Matthew 16, 24 says, if anyone desires to come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. And so you have done that literally, you literally took up a cross and started to, to follow Jesus. And now you’ve gone to over 180 nations around the world. What’s your current count or what are you at?

Keith Wheeler (12:27):
Hi, as you know, there’s a lot of different places you can count nations. The, the low end is 150 for the high end is 313. And so on the ones that most people use, I’ve walked in and carried the cross. And I don’t count the country unless I’ve carried the cross and shared some about Jesus with someone. I think it’s 188 different nations.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:50):
Wow. That’s amazing. Including Antarctica. And now you you’ve walked over 25,000 miles, 26,000, 26,000 a day carrying the grace of God. And obviously the, the cross means something significant to you. And, and in ancient Roman times, the cross was a method of execution, horrible way that they, they put criminals to death. But now the cross, often people wear it on a necklace around their neck. They put it on top of their, their building, the, the church building. But what does the cross mean to you? Why, why do you carry that?

Keith Wheeler (13:33):
The cross I carry the cross because Jesus is it. It’s an act of obedience. It’s I’m convinced though, a number of years ago, I felt like God spoke to my heart and said, when I said, why, why am I doing this? You know, this is humbling. In some ways it’s, it’s humiliating all the things that people say or do and things that have happened. And I felt like Jesus said, son, I’m more interested in reaching all of your heart than I am in reaching all of the world. Because when I have someone whose heart is completely mine, I have someone I can reach all the world through. And the cross is a means of him capturing our hearts in whatever means whether it’s us coming to the foot of the cross. Whether, whether it’s it’s us embracing the cross, whether it’s us taking up the cross, you can see this, your, your listeners can’t.

Keith Wheeler (14:36):
But my collarbone has been grooved as from all the years of the way to the cross bearing down on my shoulder would, has done that to me. But the cross shapes us the cross, the way we, we walk, it changes when I walk, the cross is a message of God’s love. And you, you said it well we, we have them for necklaces and ornaments. Many times people will come up to me and they’ll say, what are you doing? And to me, evangelism starts with Jesus. Wouldn’t always give answers. He would answer questions with questions and say, when you see this, what do you think about? And they say, Jesus, as it were you thinking about Jesus before I brought the cross? No. And I’ll laugh. And I’ll say, it’s working. I said, but I didn’t ask you that to trap you. When you see a beautiful lady wearing a cross and it’s gold and silver, do you think about Jesus?

Keith Wheeler (15:39):
No. I either think it’s a decoration or I think about the lady before someone bats in baseball or kicks a goal in football, what do they do? They make the sign of the cross. Do you think about Jesus? No. He wants to. When you drive by a cemetery and you see hundreds of crosses, what do you see? Or what do you think? I think about the people who went before me, not Jesus. Right? You drive by a building with stained glass and a cross on top. Do you think about Jesus now? I think about the preachers or I think about sadly sometimes they’ll answer money or politics. I said, but the cross is a message that God loves you so much, that he was willing to go to any cost, pay the greatest cost so that you could come home and be his child.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:30):
I think one of the quotes on your website, it says at the foot of the cross is where the best of God meets the worst of humankind. And so it’s because of the cross that we can be forgiven of our sins, preach to me a little bit about the cross and what it means in God’s great plan of redemption for humankind,

Keith Wheeler (16:55):
You and Daniel. I’m a storyteller. And I’ll tell you two stories as quick as I can. And actually both of them took place in Uganda. I was carrying the cross in the Southern part of Uganda late one night. I didn’t know where I was going to sleep and walking down the road. And it’s a, it’s a dusty road and there’s not much shoulder. The cars are zipping by and they’re flashing their bright lights when they combine. So they won’t hit me. And some big trucks just bomb, blow the diesel dust out, back in the dust. I closed my eyes. I’m blinded a little bit because the light and I took my next step, but the ground wasn’t there and I was falling. I fell about 15 feet and thankfully it was soft, but unfortunately it was soft because it was human waste. I fell into a pit that was about just my waist, deep with raw human sewage.

Keith Wheeler (17:54):
As soon as I hit it, that stinks. It did. I’m pumped. As soon as I hit it, I did. I looked like a cat. You know, one of these funny cat videos, I jumped up on the wall and to get out in all my effort, I am thrashing, but the, the harder I try, the slimy or I get, and the more difficult, because the walls are crumbling. It’s, it’s red, dirt, red clay. Nobody can hear my voice. I’m yelling at the top of my voice. And then I got an idea when it fell, Anna fell in with the cross.

Keith Wheeler (18:31):
I use the cross as a ladder to get me out of that pit. And I thought, what a picture, what an incredible picture of what God did with the cross is he came in and we’re trying in every way to get out of, you know, people try everything to bring comfort, to bring hope, to bring peace, to bring meaning to their life. And it was when we use the cross. When we come to the cross, that’s what gets us out of the pit. Probably another great example. Two short ones. This is, I was in Naru, a little Island nation in the Pacific, and this guy just kept getting closer and closer. He’s an old man. And finally says, can I touch you? I said, yeah, can I in tears, start running down his face. Can I touch your cross? Absolutely. I said, what’s going on?

Keith Wheeler (19:20):
I put my arm around him and he just begins to sob. He was, I just want my sins to go away. And somehow he knew that if I come to the cross, not, not the physical cross. And I was able to explain, it’s not the physical cross that forgives us, that I just carry wood, but it’s a symbol that yes, your sins can go away. And then the last one is just beautiful. I was in Nairobi, came into the city of Nairobi from out in the countryside, been walking across that nation and I could hardly walk. I mean thousands and thousands shut down traffic in the buses. Couldn’t, couldn’t pass. There’s so many people and we would lift up the cross and I would preach invite people to come to Jesus. Then I would walk a little bit further and do the same thing.

Keith Wheeler (20:10):
And I could barely walk myself because so many people were coming. The crowd was recycling and, and that’s actually down in Uruguay. I was in the same spot for three days on this one little street corner, because so many people kept coming. There was a little hut. They would let me sleep in. But day and night, I was just preaching and speaking, because so many people were coming. So here I am in, in Kenya Nairobi, and then the crowd split, and there were two men leading a blind man. He had his cane, they had him by the elbows and they brought him to the, and the crowd just parted for him.

Keith Wheeler (20:51):
And I said, what, what can I do for you? And I, you would think he says, I want to be healed. I want to see, but what he said, I want to see the cross. I heard you had a real cross and it’ll make me cry. Just thinking about it. That man held out his hands and put my hands to his. I put them on the cross who would’ve thought that that man saw the finest treasure in the world. He every little tiny millimeter, he touched it. He touched it twice. And then he held out and his tears were just running down his face. He says, now I’ve seen a cross. And I think so often for us, we’ve just would pass by the cross. We’ve become so familiar with the cross, with the message of the cross, with, with the Jesus of the cross and that no longer do we see him no longer do we see the cross? And, and even as, as speakers, as missionaries, as evangelist, we, we have to create new and inventive ways to share the message of the one who needs nothing. All he needs is he said, if I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me. And that’s been my greatest privileges. I tell people I don’t have a ministry. Jesus does. It’s his ministry in my life to my life. And I pray through my life because for me, ministry is simply the overflow of a life lived in love with him.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:30):
I love your ministry and how you have used the cross as a conversation opener to, to just start conversations with people, talking to them about God, share with me. So some more stories of some of the conversations that you’ve had in the different countries as you’ve, you’ve traveled. I’m sure you’ve seen great miracles and tremendous testimonies of people that have been impacted as you’ve traveled around them.

Keith Wheeler (23:00):
You know, I, yeah. Let, let me start with, with one though, that has nothing to do with the cross, except I was there to carry the cross. I arrived in Lagos, Nigeria midnight found a place to stay, left everything there, to stay and went down the street. I was in a Kagia in Legos, and I thought surely something will be open. Street was still busy. It was almost one o’clock now. And I found a KFC in the middle of the night that was open. I thought, okay, I’m going in. You ordered downstairs and you eat upstairs. And there’s a big plate glass window. And you overlook the busy street. There’s two lanes coming, two lanes going, there’s a S a concrete median in between. And as I finish eating my chicken and I’m licking my fingers, like the Colonel says, you’re supposed to do. I have my iPad with my Bible.

Keith Wheeler (23:57):
And I’m just reading it. And I, I sense that somebody is standing near me and I look up and there’s a man dressed in white. He’s been to Mecca is a Muslim man. Who’s been to Mecca. And he said, I’ve been watching you all night from the other side of the road, two lanes coming, two lanes going concrete median. And he said, there’s a Holy light. That’s shining around you. And he says, our teachings are Hadith is what he said, or how these teaches us that those who have the Holy light are Holy prophet sent from a law that can teach us the way and the truth. It had nothing to do with me. And the reason I share that is because so often we think we have to do something. Ahmed give, gave his life to Jesus. He became my interpreter introduced me to other people while I was there.

Keith Wheeler (24:56):
He’s, he’s still loving and following Jesus. And, and I think so often we feel like it’s gotta be in our strength. I was, I was carrying the cross in Djibouti, which is Eastern most nation that in Somalia. And I felt like God said, next, I want you to go to Argentina. Okay. But for some reason it didn’t work out that I could go to Argentina four months later. I’m, I’m still feeling I’m supposed to go to Argentina, but it’s not working out. And I’ve shared with you before. I don’t, I don’t set things up. I don’t know anybody. I just, Mr. Magoo and I, I go there and show up, just go. I just go. And I don’t, I don’t know anybody there. I don’t have anything set up. I don’t know where I’m going to sleep. And I’ll, I’ll share that in just a moment.

Keith Wheeler (25:46):
But so it didn’t somehow it wasn’t working. And I said, Lord, I think you’ve called me to go to Argentina. And that was when the great revival was going on. And I had assumed in my heart, that’s where I was supposed to go. And I felt like God said, son, you didn’t ask me where you’re supposed to go, or when you’re supposed to go or what you’re supposed to do. Okay. Who, what, when, where, why [inaudible] at the end of November, I had to look up a schwa on a map. It’s the tip of Antarctica. And there will be a boat waiting for you. And I want you to get on that boat and take the cross to Antarctica. So I fly to when a Cyrus fly to a schwag, go to the port with my cross. Sure enough, there was a boat, the disco D I S K O.

Keith Wheeler (26:37):
It was a national geographic expedition going to Antarctica, but they couldn’t set because it was a Danish ship. And because Denmark is a Christian nation, they had to have a chaplain on board. They needed a chaplain. I needed a boat. It was a match, literally made in heaven. We volunteer, I even brought my own crowds. They had, they saw the cross. They said, you’ll do, I didn’t even have to ask. And so I know more about penguins than anybody you’ve ever met yet. And, and so I get to Antarctica and the continent, because we, we went to the Falklands or the Malvinas. We went to the Stanley islands South Georgia Island other islands, and then made it to the continent of Antarctica. And in Antarctica, there are military bases. There are scientific research stations, the there’s, some of them quite large.

Keith Wheeler (27:43):
They have hospitals there. They have schools, post offices. So the first place we went, the Polish scientific research station was, was there. And we, we were the first boat of the season to come in. And the two Polish guys, we get on a Zodiac off the boat. We go to the actual continent set foot on, and I put the cross together. I put it on my shoulder. And these two Polish scientists said, what is this? But is a meaning of cease. We saw you 1987, Lisa Zs cross in crack of Poland. Now’s, he’s cross follows us to the ends of the earth. You must explain. And the first two people I meet in Antarctica say they want to follow Jesus. They want to know it. Wow. Praise God. And so literally the ends of the earth, and, and there were other groups stories there.

Keith Wheeler (28:39):
But, and you really, you name the country and I’ll say, Oh, we, yeah, I’ve got a story there while you’re just telling me about Hong Kong and okay. There were lots of protestors to tell me some of that stuff. I went to Hong Kong last year, I had just had a bicycle accident, broke your ribs, three in front, one in back punctured. My lungs broke my hand and tore ligament in my hand. And the doctor told me not to fly for a long time because my lung could collapse. And a few days later, I felt like God said, I want you to take the cross to Hong Kong. That flight is 17 and a half hours. So we arrived. I, a friend of mine born in Hong Kong had given his life to Jesus years before flew up from New Zealand to walk with me. And we just walked around the first day.

Keith Wheeler (29:38):
I could barely walk. I’m holding my side and I’m thinking, how can I put the cross on my shoulder? And Matt says, Keith, what’s your plan B. I said, it’s the same as plan Z. It’s God doesn’t change. It’s always referred to plan a because God didn’t give me another plan. He told me to carry the cross. He’ll give me grace. We walked that first day or this that second day with a cross. I walked about seven miles, extremely painful. This news crew came up and began to talk to us. They said, we want to do a, an article, but we have to get permission by our supervisor. They called back and they said, sorry, we can’t do it. But good news. Our supervisor is sending over their 18 and they want to meet you at 10:00 AM at the place you’re staying. And we want to follow you around with cameras.

Keith Wheeler (30:37):
This particular news outlet has 43 million monthly subscribers to their video newscast. And so they, they delayed it. They got back about they said, well, we can’t be there until noon. Okay. I I’ve committed to them, but I know that because of the protests that I’m on the other side of the Bay, I have to get over to the other side, either by subway or by very boat. And I’m thinking that if those shut down the taxis probably won’t take us either. Sure enough. I was, I was correct. So there’s no way to get over there. Except these guys find a sketchy van. It looked like a Scooby-Doo van, but we put the cross in it and they take us over there. But because it’s also not just protests and streets are shut down. It’s there’s a typhoon level three. So we are eight miles away from where I wanted to start.

Keith Wheeler (31:38):
And we’re five hours later than what I wanted to start. And we’re under this underpass because the rain is falling so hard. I put the cross together. I laid down in prey, stand up. People have gathered around. Many of them give their life to Jesus, I think, okay, what a, what a great start. And then everybody runs to the street. I mean, it’s, it’s hundreds, maybe a thousand people or so. And I can’t see what’s what’s happening. So I go out into the rain at the street corner and there’s a protest March of 1.7 million people starting right there and they see me. So they stop. They were just starting. I could not have planned it better. Five hours later, eight miles away, a man’s heart plans, his ways the Bible says, but the Lord directs his steps, Proverbs 16, nine, and I’m standing there and they look at me and they see the cross, they stop.

Keith Wheeler (32:33):
And they said, you lead us. I said, I don’t know where we’re going. They said, that’s all right, lead us. First of all, that’s, what’s wrong with a lot of leadership. You have leaders that don’t know where they’re going, leading lots of people. But more importantly, more importantly was the media. All of a sudden came around. There were over 70 media outlets from all around the world. So they start the March. And I I’m, I’m there with the media for an hour and a half answering all questions about Jesus things, as simple as why the cross, what does the cross mean? Questions? Just like you’re asking. And it’s going out around the world, especially across China, but this one particular media kept following me. And eventually I joined the people and I was stopped five other times that day for more media interviews, different media outlets.

Keith Wheeler (33:27):
People say, what’s it like to walk with 1.7 million people? It’s about like walking with 200 people because you can’t see the front. You can’t see the back. It it’s forever, but the people are there. And all day long people walking, coming to the cross, crying, not understanding, but being drawn and saying, I want to give my life to Jesus. After I would explain who he is, why he came, what he did, how you can know him, that report, that, that media did. They aired it on their website. It’s been viewed 2 billion times. Wow. That’s amazing. How much money would you have to pay? And, and it’s, I mean, it’s not an evangelistic video, but it’s a video about the cross that Jesus died on a cross because of he shed his blood. There can be peace. It was pretty amazing video that, and it was a seven minute video, six minute video.

Keith Wheeler (34:22):
So I never know exactly what, what God is doing. You know, I go a lot of times to war zones, I read in Jesus’ words, blessed are the peacemakers, not the peace lovers, not the peace waters, not the peacekeepers peacemakers. I went into Iraq when, and I became the guest of Saddam Hussein. Wow. That’s a story. I couldn’t. I tried for two years to get a visa. Couldn’t get a visa. Every door was closed. And, and again, I hear Christians so often say, Oh, the doors are close. Daniel. Where’s that in the Bible. So you keep knocking. Yeah. Jesus said, he said, behold, I’ve said an open door before you, he says he is the door that’s end. He said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Not just the parts that are friendly, but all the world and preach the gospel. And he says in Psalms that the earth is the Lord’s and everything in it.

Keith Wheeler (35:22):
So he owns it. He said, go into all of it. I’m just trying to obey. So if there’s a war and Iraq was about to have a big war, they’d come out of Gulf war one, number one. So there’s an embargo worldwide against Iraq. The only open border was Jordan. So I flew to a month after I got this idea. That’s where they get all their supplies. So I flew to a Mon Jordan. The first guy I meet, I explained what the cross is. He says, I think it’s my destiny from a lot to help you get the cross into Iraq. He said, I was born there. I’ve made the trip over a hundred times. We show up at the border and I’m leaving out a whole lot of details, but I leaned across there’s. There’s a tall statue of Saddam Hussein, as far as you can see to the right and the left there’s barbed wire, 20 feet high with razor wire, five feet on top of that at the bottom of the statue.

Keith Wheeler (36:19):
There’s two tollbooths. If you have your proper paperwork documentation, the arm goes up, go in. The only documentation I have is God’s word that says, go into all the world and preach the gospel. And so I come up there and before they can do anything, I lean the top part above the crossbeam. So two and a half feet above. Have I leaned that over? And that is now in to Iraq before they can do anything. I laid down so that my waist up I’m laying on the ground. That much of yeah. Is in Iraq. And I began to pray. God blessed them. May they know the things that make for peace. May they know that your son is more than a prophet. May they know him that he’s not just the son of God, that he’s God in the flesh at prayed the blessings of God on these kids and the war, the soldiers.

Keith Wheeler (37:12):
And I notice as I’m praying boots, so soldiers are gathering and I was thinking, I’ll pray longer. They’ll get tired, more boots. So I think I better stand up. I stand up, dust myself off and they’ve got weapons. They’re pointing at me. What are you doing? Why are you here? What is the meaning of this said, Oh, praise the Lord. Thanks for coming in and welcoming me. And I’ve got these little stickers that say, God loves you. And I’m putting them on all the soldiers. Hey, you need one on the back. End of your gun case, you die. And it’s got a cross in the middle. And I said, that’s good to remember that God loves you so much. He died on that cross. My friend is giving them sugar daddies. They can’t talk. Their mouths are kind of that they’re liking them.

Keith Wheeler (37:55):
I share who Jesus is. Yes, he’s a prophet, but he’s more than a prophet son of God. But more than that, Emmanuel God with us died on a cross. So we can be forgiven risen so we can know him. Two of them start crying. They said just a minute, they go back and get on the radio and they come back and they say, good news. You are the most honored guests of Saddam Hussein. Wow. We walked into Libya a few years ago during the, the Arab uprisings in the Arab spring. When Qaddafi was falling the day before, I’d nearly had my head cut off by one of the well-known groups that we talk about the world and a knife to my neck, they urinated on me. And that’s a whole other story. I ended up spending the night with them. They brought me back the next day, the general of the Egyptian army carried my cross to the border.

Keith Wheeler (38:51):
We walked through no man’s land. And now we’re, we’re walking in there’s tanks pointed at us. There’s gunman pointed at us and my friend, his name is David. He said, Keith, what do you feel? I said, David, I feel the glory of God. We’re walking into the arms of Jesus. And really Daniel. When I talk about evangelism, I’m really talking about Jesus, because if we’re not careful, we can, we can love evangelism more than we love Jesus. We can love ministry more than we love Jesus. And for me, evangelism is simply an invitation from the King of Kings to sit on the front row center stage people worldwide pay high dollar to sit on front row center stage, whether it’s at a football stadium at a basketball event at a, at, at a music event. And, and they will stand, pay all kinds of money to sit there and watch.

Keith Wheeler (39:53):
And the King of the universe, the King of all Kings has said, come and sit and watch me. And it’s us. The Bible tells us we’re co-laborers together with him. That’s why I say, it’s not my ministry. I say, how can, how can I describe the feeling of going to another country and not knowing anybody except Jesus? I don’t know. Who’s going to interpret for me area, if anybody’s even going to speak my language except Jesus. The only one who knows for sure, where I’m going to sleep is Jesus. And sometimes he wants me to meet somebody. He might want me to share about him. So they invite me into their home. I stay in the first home that invites me. I preach in the church first church that invites me. I’ve got a whole lot of funny stories about that. Sometimes he wants me to meet the prime minister or the King and share with them about him. But sometimes he gives me a bus stop or a park bench. Sometimes it gives me it’s raining and I’ll find a park where children play and I’ll hide under the slide. And I have shelter. Sometimes he’ll give me a bridge to sleep under sometimes.

Keith Wheeler (41:11):
And how do you describe this? In those moments? Some nights, he doesn’t want me to have a place to sleep because he wants to visit with me. And so I get to walk all night long, all through the night and talk with him. How do you describe that? How do you describe when you’re in a prison cell with who knows how many people and it’s a tiny little cell and the can for the toilet is overflowing long before I ever got there. And waste is all over the floor and you don’t lean against you. Don’t lean against the wall because same thing’s happening upstairs. And it’s leaking through, how did he describe the presence of Jesus in those moments?

Keith Wheeler (41:56):
I think there’s only one ways. It’s, I’m walking into the glory of God. I’m walking into the arms of Jesus. I, I do what I do because I believe that Jesus is crying. How can he not 3 billion people nearly in our world. Who’ve never, ever, ever heard his name. I’ve walked into villages. I remember one village I walked into and I said, they’re all there. Forgive me for, I won’t tell you the place, but it’s their language sounded to me like one little moment, a moment, a wall. And through the interpreter, he said, they want to know what you’re doing. I said, ask them what they think. I’m doing Lehman, a woman in one room. We know he’s a sportsman like LeBron, James or Michael Jordan, all the while they’re drinking their Cokes. They know those men, they other Cokes. I said, there’s a lot of ways. I’m not like those guys.

Keith Wheeler (42:54):
I said, if they ever heard of Jesus this time among themselves, and they run to all the little houses, all the little stores and they come back out of breath. No, sir, nobody by that name has ever been here. Nobody by that name has ever visited this place. How can he not cry? When those people who don’t know him, can’t come to him. But how can he not cry for those of us who do know him, who won’t come to him? I want to wipe away the tears from his eyes. I want to put a smile on his face. Daniel. I think I’ve heard there’s. My favorite verse in the Bible is John 1323. It says there was leaning on Jesus’ chest. The disciple that he loves when you lean your head on someone’s chest, you hear their heartbeat. But I don’t think I’ve heard his heart go. Bump, bump, bump, bump. I think his heart goes people, people, people, and it’s heartbreaking.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (43:52):
Keith, thank you so much for joining me on the evangelism podcast today. I so love your passion for God. I can see that you really love Jesus. I do. And you really love taking his story to people all over the world. And it’s just so beautiful to see what God has done through your ministry. Thanks. If you’re listening and you want to know more about Keith Wheeler, you can visit his website, K w.org and see all the pictures. There’s lots of pictures there of all the different countries, the beautiful faces of the people that he’s been

Keith Wheeler (44:32):
Able to, to minister to. And so brother, Keith, thank you so much for being on the program. Thanks for the honor. And thanks for the way that you lift up Jesus. I’m very honored to be a part of you, including me in this. God bless you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (44:50):
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Daniel Patterson | Young Evangelist Ask Questions

Daniel Patterson is only twenty years old but he feels called by God to be an evangelist. Today he interviews me and asks me questions about what it means to be an evangelist.

Questions Daniel King Answers:

How did you get started in evangelism and crusades? And how did you know that God called you to it?

Who did you look up to when you were young?

How do you raise support?

How do you learn to walk by faith in order to do crusades?

What advice would you give to younger evangelists?

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Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Daniel Patterson is only 20 years old, but he feels called by God to be an evangelist. Today, he interviews

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:09):
Me on the evangelism podcast and asks me questions about what it means to be an evangelist.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:17):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism podcast.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:55):
I’m Daniel King and I am always excited about leading people to Jesus. Today. I have a very special guest Daniel Patterson. He is a student at victory college here in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and he has a calling on his life to be an evangelist. And so day today, he came over to ask me some questions about how to be an evangelist Daniel, welcome to the evangelism podcast. Awesome.

Daniel Patterson (01:25):
Thanks so much for having me on Daniel. Yeah,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:27):
It’s great to be here with you. So tell me a little bit about yourself, first of all, how do you know that you have this calling to be an evangelist? How did you discover that?

Daniel Patterson (01:38):
So so when I was younger, I actually had a speech impediment and stutter. And then my sophomore year at Victory youth group, I actually gave my life to Christ. And then, so at victory Christian school where I went to high school on the third floor, there’s the old pastor of victory Billy Joe Daugherty. And on that third floor, it’s some lean crusades of like thousands and tens of thousands of people. And I felt as I was walking down that hallway, my sophomore year that I thought this like soft whisper from God that, that you’re going to do this one day. And the reason I knew it was from God, the call to be an evangelist and to speak was because I would never ask for that myself. I avoided speaking opportunities before that. So I knew from that moment on that, like, God actually called me to this because it was something that, that it scared me and that I at at the beginning didn’t want to do.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:38):
So pastor Billy Joe Daugherty was my pastor ever since I was six years old. And not only was he a great pastor, but he was a great evangelist. He did tons of evangelistic crusades. I remember when I was 14 years old, I had the opportunity to go to St. Petersburg, Russia. And he had decided to do a crusade every single month for 18 months in the Olympic stadium there in St. Petersburg. And one of the memories that that really impacted me was in this stadium filled with thousands and thousands of people, probably 30,000 people up to the rafters when he gave the altar call, the people came running as fast as they could from the front to the back in order to give their lives to Jesus. It was just so right. Well, Daniel, how can I help you? You, you have some, some questions that you’d like to ask. What, what type of questions would you like to

Daniel Patterson (03:36):
Yeah. Also honestly, thank you so much for having me on and the opportunity to talk to you. I it’s a real honor. Yeah. So these are some of the questions that I have for you. So the first question is how did you get started in evangelism and crusades? And how did you know that God called you to it?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:54):
My father pastored a small church in Cloudcroft, New Mexico. When I was five years old and one day he invited a prophetess to come and speak, and she was woken up by God the night before. And God told her tomorrow, there will be someone in church wearing a blue shirt. And you are to prophesied that this person wearing a blue shirt is called to be an evangelist and to go to nations all over the world. So, so he came to church the next day, looked around the audience and there was no one wearing a blue shirt. And then she remembered that all the kids workers were downstairs. So she thought maybe one of them would be wearing a blue shirt. So she turned to my dad said, could you, could you bring all the kids workers up? And so they came up and none of them were wearing a blue shirt, but there was a long line of kids at the end of the line was a cute little five-year-old boy wearing a blue shirt.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:44):
And she said, God, is this the one that God said yes. And so that cute five-year-old boy was me. And she prophesied that day. You’re called to be an evangelist and called to go to nations around the world. And so I didn’t waste any time. I started preaching when I was six years old preached in my father’s church. And we still have the cassette tape from one of those sermons. And I preached like for 45 minutes, which is pretty good for a six-year-old. But one of the things I say on that sermon is if you are saved, stay saved. If you aren’t saved, you better get saved. And so even as a six-year-old, I sounded like an evangelist. And my father told me stories about how, at one time he was doing a revival in Cloudcroft and we, we went out and we were passing out flyers.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:34):
It’s a touristy town. So all the tourists come and we’re passing out flyers, inviting people to come to the, the revival. And I was only five or six years old. And I gave a flyer to one man. And he looked at it and saw that it was religious and tore it up into a bunch of pieces. And, and through the confetti into the wind. And I went to my father and my father thought, Oh, why did you get Daniel Little Danny? Did you get your feelings hurt when that man rejected your flyer? And I was through cheers. I said, no, it wasn’t that he rejected the flyer. I said, daddy crying, because I don’t want that man to go to hell. And so from a very young age, God put this desire in me to, to be an evangelist. And then when I was 10 years old, my parents became missionaries in the country of Mexico.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:29):
And so they, they, my, both, my mom and dad went to victories, mission training school. And then they went down to Mexico and were, were missionary sent out by victory. And I was only 10 years old, but since they were my legal guardians, I had to go with them. And, and so to be part of our family was to be part of the ministry. I just grew up on the, the mission field there in Mexico ministering, right alongside my parents. I, I helped to set up the sound system. I sat out the chairs. I helped to pass out beans and rice. I helped to stuff newsletters every single month to send to supporters so that we could raise money to be able to stay on the mission field. I was basically the slave labor of the ministry, but throughout it all, I loved every second of it because I loved seeing people give their lives to Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:21):
And I remember that when I was probably 13 or 14, we’d be driving past a soccer field in Mexico. They, they love soccer down there and I’d grab. And my dad by the army said, dad, dad, we can fill that soccer field up with people, preach to them about Jesus. And so even when I was very young, just had, this does desire to be an evangelist. And then when I was 15 years old, I was reading a success book. As if you want to be successful, you need to write down your goals. And one of the goals that they said would be good for young people is to try to become a millionaire by the age of 30. And I realized that because of my upbringing as a missionary in Mexico, that money was not what was important to me. What was important was souls.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:03):
And so at the age of 15, I wrote down, I, Daniel King wants to lead 1 million people to Jesus. Before I turned 30 years of age, instead of trying to become a millionaire, I wanted to lead a million heirs into the kingdom of God. And so God started opening up doors in different nations. I actually did my first crusade in Honduras with my friend Rigo Galvez. He opened the door for me to do that first crusade. And then the next year we did another couple of crusades and then the next year. And so that, that first crusade was while I was still a student at oral Roberts university. And it was a huge step of faith to try to raise the money, to pay the budget for that crusade and everything, but God provided. And I remember that first crusade in Honduras, we, we ministered to 43,000 people that week. I took a team of 10 people from ORU and it was, it was magnificent what God did there.

Daniel Patterson (09:03):
That that’s so awesome. And so like obviously like growing up preaching and doing evangelism and stuff like that, you had to have somebody who you looked up to who you’re like, I want to do that one day. I want to be like him. Who was that person growing up?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:18):
Well, we already mentioned Pastor Billy Joe Daugherty, who was my pastor. And of course I loved watching the crusade videos of what Pastor Billy Joe Daugherty did. And then growing up, I really admired the ministries of TL Osborn, great missionary evangelists from here in Tulsa, oral Roberts. My father went to oral Roberts university. So I grew up hearing the stories of, of oral and his tent crusades. And I also loved Billy Graham. And so I would look at the pictures in their books, you know, T.L. Osborn, If you read any of his books, he always puts pictures of all the different crusades that he did and the people being healed in his books and I’d see those pictures. And that would put a vision in my heart that I could do that too. And so I didn’t know how to make it happen. I didn’t know how you organize a Crusader. Anything. All I, all I knew was that I saw this picture of someone preaching to thousands of people and dream that I could do that someday too.

Daniel Patterson (10:23):
That’s that’s so cool. So has cause you, you minister in Africa a lot, correct? Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:31):
We go to Africa quite a bit. Just this last month I was in Ethiopia. We did a great crusade in a little village in Ethiopia. It was a nine hour drive over bumpy roads. No pavement, we got out there, no plumbing. So you just have to use the outhouse. And we did a crusade and, and our biggest crowd, we had about 10,000 people in this little village and, and God did tremendous miracles. And then the month before I was in Tanzania at the invitation of Daniel Kolenda with Christ for all nations. And he invited me to participate in operation to capitalists, which they did five crusades in five different cities, over a two week period. And so Daniel Kolenda went and he preached one night at each of those crusades, but he invited other evangelists to come and preach the other nights. And so I was privileged to be a part of that. So yeah, we love Africa a lot.

Daniel Patterson (11:30):
That’s so cool. And so you do this all the time. You’re, you’re preaching other countries, whether it’s in Mexico or in the countries in Africa, how do you continually raise support? Because it’s not just like you go there and have no money. You have to raise support.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:46):
Yeah. I remember the first mission trip that I ever went on. It was with pastor John Tasch, who was the children’s pastor at victory at that time. And they were going on a missions trip to Venezuela. And I think the, the cost of the trip was about $800, which I was maybe about 14 years old at the time. And of course for a 14 year old $800 looks insurmountable. That’s a huge amount of money for a teenager. And I decided that I really wanted to go on that trip to Venezuela, to, to help,ureach people out in the jungles of Venezuela,uout on the Amazon river. And so this is the way I, I raised money to be able to do it. I made a list of all of the friends that I had, every single friend I could think of family members, friends, anybody I’d ever met, any, any adult that I knew, I made up a list.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:56):
And then I wrote a simple letter, said, hi, I’m Daniel King, son of Robert and Susan King. And you know, they are missionaries in Mexico, but God has called me to go on a missions trip to Venezuela, and I want to go and to preach the gospel in Venezuela. Could you give something to help make that happen? I, I need a total of $800. And so if you could get $50 or $20, whatever you can give, that would be a huge blessing to help me go to Venezuela. And so I took all these, these envelopes and stuffed the letters into them, put stamps on them, prayed over them. And it was about 45 or 50 envelopes that I sent out and I mailed them out. And I remember probably about 15 people responded and some people gave $20. Some people gave $50. One person gave about $200, but after it was all added up, the, those 15 people paid the cost of the $800 that I needed to go to Venezuela.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:05):
And so I said, praise the Lord. That that’s awesome. And so then the next year there was another opportunity to, to go on a missions trip. And so again I, I sent out letters in and I think the second mission trip was about $1,200. And so that was a huge amount bigger than $800. But what guy was doing was he was stretching my faith to believe him for miracles. And so God provided for that second trip. And then the next one, and then, and the next one, and then the time came for me to do my first crusade. And I had heard about an evangelists here in Tulsa who was doing large evangelistic crusades. And so I want to learn how to do it. And he was doing a crusade down in El Salvador. So I called his office and said, can I come down to El Salvador with you to participate in, in the crusade and to see how to set it up?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:58):
And he said, sure. So I, I actually went down two weeks early and watched, as they’re putting up the posters, passing out flyers, building relationships with all the churches, all the process that it goes into organizing an event. And the crusade director for that crusade was, was Regal Galvez in El Salvador. And it was in San Miguel. It was a magnificent crusade. I think they ended up with over 40,000 people filling up a soccer field. It w it was just powerful, lots of miracles every night. I learned so much just being there and Rigo, he, I was telling him about my desire to do crusades. And he says, why don’t you come next year and do a crusade in Honduras with me? And so, like the biggest faith that I could have, I, I thought, and I said, well, maybe if I work hard all year, I could raise $5,000.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:02):
And he laughed actually. And he said, well, I don’t do such small crusades like that. And he says, could you, could you raise $10,000? And so instantly he doubled the size of my faith. And so I said, yeah, I’ll go, let’s go for it. So I set to work. I was still a student at ORU and I was still needing to buy school books and, and pay for school bills and all of that. But I did the same thing I’d done when I was a little kid. I got a list of all the people that I knew, anybody I could think of that would be interested in missions. And by this time the list was a little bit longer and I sent them letters. I called some of them. I followed up with some emails and over the course of a year, I was able to raise the $10,000 budget.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:56):
And actually, I think it went a little bit more than that. It ended up being probably about $14,000 and we took 10 students from, or are you down with me? And in that week, we managed to minister to a total of 43,000 people in Honduras. And so that was how the first crusade happened. And then the next year I decided I wanted to do two crusades. I went from doing one to two and each of the crusades had had bigger budgets. One, one crusade was in Panama. And I remember that one had about a $20,000 budget. And we, we worked hard to, to raise the money to make it happen. And when the, the, the crusade was over, we managed to pay every bill. And I remember we’d received an offering from the people and we counted up the offering and we were counting out like little coins and stuff.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:54):
And I took all those little coins to go pay the hotel bill. And they’re like, well, this is the last hundred and $50 that I owe in coins. And so they had to count them all out. But the point is that God provided for that crusade. And so that’s kind of how we have built our ministry. We have never had any huge donors who just give us an enormous amount. We have mostly been supported by individuals and churches who would give $20, a hundred dollars partners that would partner with us on a regular basis. And over time, that amount adds up and we’re able to do crusades, but still to this day, every single crusade is a walk of faith. When we put the crusade on the calendar, we rarely have the money to, to say, yes, we can do this. And we have all the money in the bank and we’re going to do it. It’s, it’s a walk of faith. We put it on the calendar and then we start trusting God. And in tens and twenties and hundreds, and sometimes thousands, the, the money comes in and we’re able to do, do the crusade.

Daniel Patterson (19:15):
That’s so cool. How you, so you said that you walk by faith, every ship, every crusade, believing God to make a way for it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:24):
Yeah, absolutely. Every single crusade is, is a walk of faith. And what’s really interesting is that we started small. So, so when you take a walk of faith, the first step is probably a very small step. And then you see God prove himself faithful with that first step. And then you can take a bigger step and then you see God faithful. Then you take a bigger step in a bigger step. And so I think one of the things that discourage people sometimes when they’re first getting started out in evangelism is they look at the pictures of, of Reinhardt Bunky, who was a great evangelist. And they see a crowd of a million people, and they want to start there preach into a crowd of a million people. But in order to do that, it requires a huge budget and people get discouraged because they start trying to raise this huge budget.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:18):
And not only does it take a huge budget, but it also takes you know, a reputation and, and, and Reinhard Bonnke. He took 40 years building a beautiful reputation in Africa as an evangelist who preach good news. And he spent 40 years developing his partner base. And so you, you can’t look at the, the big crusade that Reinhardt Bonnke did. And, and think that you can start there, you’ve got to start with a village or going on a mission trip, just start with where you are. And then you’ll find that God will increase your faith. And eventually you can get to the point where you could do huge crusades with a hundred thousand or a million people, but you don’t start there. You start with a small step of faith and then you take another step and then you take another step. And eventually you become a giant striding across the land, doing wonderful things for the kingdom.

Daniel Patterson (21:24):
Oh God. That that’s really cool. That kind of reminds me of Billy Graham. Like people look at him and he’d preach and packed out like a stadiums, whether it’s in New York or in the cotton bowl in Dallas. And people look at that and like, Oh my gosh, she had this immediate success. Like he did so good. And like, like, I want to be like him. But before that, he preached for, for years to just smaller to smaller groups and eventually gotten made away from him in Los Angeles and so forth. So being faithful in the small is important.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:55):
Yeah. Billy Graham worked for youth for Christ when he was young and traveled around doing youth meetings and, and God honored that. And as he traveled, he started to build his team. And so then when it came time for him to do crusades, he had the team and some of the resources to be able to make that happen.

Daniel Patterson (22:16):
And like, I know for me, you know, I wanna, you know, I want to lead crusades one day. And for me know, I’m trying to start faithful in the small just last week, I, I coached basketball on the side and I was helping a basketball camp and I got to preach to the basketball camp in 15 to 20 kids gave their life to Christ glory to God is amazing. So I know being faithful in the smallest is really important. And so, especially for people who are my age and people wanting to be evangelists full time one day, what are some of the lessons that you’ve learned over the years that, that you would tell yourself when you were younger, that you would tell us a younger evangelists. Now,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:58):
I think I would share two words. The first word would be the word boldness, just be bold. And going after the promises of God, be bold preaching to basketball players, be bold, praying for sick people, be bold in asking for money to go on a mission trip, be bold and, and going on missions trips just don’t be timid, be bold, go all out full speed and do everything you can to do something for God. And so be bold in that. And then the second word I would probably share is, is patience be patient because it doesn’t come overnight. I think God rewards faithfulness. And so you remember the story of the, the, the talents where Jesus told the story about how the rich man, he had three servants, one servant, he gave five talents, another servant. He gave two talents, third, certain he gave one talent.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:56):
Then he went on a long journey. And after he came back, the guy with five talents says, I, I invested the money and now here’s 10 talents. And Jesus said, well done, my good and faithful servant. You’ve been faithful with small things. Now I’ll put you in charge of many things. And then the servant with the two talents, he doubled his money and he had four talents. But the guy with one talent, he took his talent. He went and buried it in the ground and he says, I know you’re a rough taskmaster. And so I’m bringing this back to you. And so what did the rich master do? He took the talent from that one and gave it to the man who had 10 talents. And it was because the, the servant who only had one talent, he was not faithful with what God had given him.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:43):
And so if you will be faithful with what God has given you with this, this desire that God has placed in your heart to be an evangelist. If, if you will look for every opportunity to share the gospel look for opportunities to go on missions trips, to even start doing crusades, then God will prove himself faithful. And so you, you, you, you take what you have. You’re faithful to God. Then God will be faithful to you and he will multiply what you have. And in the end, God will trust you with doing big things for his kingdom, but it all begins with, with starting where you are and being faithful with, with what God has given you,

Daniel Patterson (25:32):
Man. That’s so good. Thank you for having me on today. I really appreciate it. I’m definitely going to be listening to this podcast again and, and taking it in. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:42):
Daniel, it is wonderful to have you on the evangelism podcast. I love coaching evangelists. I love helping young evangelists like you to get started. One of the things that, that God put in my heart, I want to lead a million people that Jesus, every year of my life. So that’s one thing I’m going for. But another thing is in my lifetime, I want to raise up a hundred evangelists who would each lead at least a million people to Jesus. And so I think you can be one of them. You can lead a million people to just Reinhard Bonnke. He once told me, he says, Daniel, that which is considered great today will be normal tomorrow. And so I think the greatest harvest of souls in history is still to come. Jesus is coming soon. And I think we need to make every single second count for God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:33):
And we’re going to see the greatest harvest of souls right before Jesus comes back. And you are part of that generation that is going to, to experience that. And so despite the great things that Billy Graham and Reinhardt, Bunky and teal Osborn saw in their ministries, I think that in ministries today started by people like you. We can see an acceleration and even greater things than what we have seen in the past. And so I encourage you as an evangelist. I believe in you. I believe God’s hand is on you. And I believe that God is going to do tremendous things through you. I forgot to ask you how old are you? I’m 20 years old. You’re 20 years old. So you’re already getting started in your calling. Well, let me pray for you really quick. Yes, sir. Your heavenly father, I thank you for Daniel Patterson.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:29):
And I thank you for this calling that you have on his life for him to be an evangelist. And Lord, I pray that you would open up opportunities for him to preach the gospel. And I pray that thousands and even millions of people would come into your kingdom because of his voice. And Lord, I pray that as he’s faithful with the small things that you give him, that you would open up greater and greater doors of ministry to him in Jesus name. Amen. And amen. Daniel. It’s great having you on the evangelism podcast. Thank you. Thank you, man. Thank you so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to do me a favor, go to Apple iTunes, search for the evangelism podcast in subscribe, and then leave us a review. Your review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this podcast. Thank you so much

Evangelism Podcast Host (28:27):
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David Grams | How to Reach a Neighborhood for Jesus in North Minneapolis

David Grams is only twenty-two years old but he has already planted Valiant Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Today he shares his strategy for impacting a neighborhood in North Minneapolis that is stricken with crime and poverty. In the midst of riots, a rapid increase in violent crime and homicides, and calls for defunding the police, David Grams’ church is making a real difference in the lives of real people.

Key Quote from David Grams: God doesn’t change the world with converts, He changes it with disciples.

Website: https://valiantmi.com

 

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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
David Grams is only 22 years old, but he’s already planted Valiant church in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Today. He shares his strategy for impacting a neighborhood in North Minneapolis that is stricken with crime and poverty in the midst of riots or rapid increase in violent crime and homicides and calls for defunding the police. David Graham’s church is making a real difference in the lives of real

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:32):
People. Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:10):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And today I have a very special guest pastor David Graham’s from million Annapolis, Minnesota. He pastors the Valiant church here, pastor David. Thanks so much for being on the

Pastor David Grams (01:28):
Podcast. Thank you for having me. I’m excited.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:30):
Now, one of the very unique things about you and your ministry is that you’re, you’re very young. How old are you now? 22 years old right now, 22 years old. And you’ve already written some books. Tell me about how many books have you written? I’ve written four books. Wow. And you’ve started a church here in Minneapolis. How old were you when you started the church?

Pastor David Grams (01:53):
I was at the ripe young age of 20. When we started Valley in church, my dad would call me a young whippersnapper

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:59):
Young whipper snapper. And so God put it on your heart to start a church, kind of walk me through that process. Why did you start your own church and, and what prompted you to do that at age? That a lot of young people are still trying to figure out what they want to do in life?

Pastor David Grams (02:16):
Yeah, so it all started at around 10 years old. That was when my parents first started telling me that I was called to ministry. Cause my mother had known actually from the time I was in the womb that I’d be in ministry and I wanted to reject that call. I had no interest in it. And then by the age of 16, I finally yielded to the Lord. I had just recently made a personal decision to surrender my life to Jesus. And I had a number of different experiences in prayer where the Lord just kind of seized me and got me on the right track and shook me up a little bit. So I decided I was going to start a church at some point in my life. I didn’t know it was going to happen that soon. And so then at about 18 or 19, I had some experiences later, which made it clear to me that I was supposed to start church in the near future.

Pastor David Grams (03:00):
And originally I had assumed I would be, you know, either hired at someone else’s church or maybe I’d be closer to 30, 40 years old before I’d even think about starting a church of my own. And the main reason it became clear as B was because I just kind of developed a God-given dissatisfaction with what I believe to be a timidity and complacency in the body of Christ in the United States. And there’s a lot of local communities and churches that have kind of caught wind of that revelation and are making necessary changes. And I felt like the Lord wanted to make me a part of that movement in the body of Christ in America to kind of wake up to the call and the body of Christ to really answer the great commission, to obey it with fire and with passion. And so I decided that I needed to start a church and a court, the way that the Lord communicated it to me was that I was to do so before my 21st birthday.

Pastor David Grams (03:52):
So at the time I was 20 and it was July of, I believe it was 2018 and I was walking out of the parking lot at my home church. And the Lord spoke to me in a way that was so, so clear. One of the few times in my life where I knew it was God, it was almost audible. And he said, you need to start a church before your 21st birthday. And he said, the reason why is because in the book of Deuteronomy, it says that you reach the age of war as a young man, when you’re 20 years old. And as soon as you turn 20, you go to war and you don’t wait any longer. And so he said, if you wait any longer, I’m going to have to get somebody else basically, you know? And so he made it very clear.

Pastor David Grams (04:29):
You need to start a church before you’re 21. Cause you’re, you’re at the age of war now, you know? And, and so I said yes to the Lord and I had no idea how to start a church. I had never looked into it. I had delayed any study really into that, that particular topic. But I told my parents, we had kind of a vision meeting and a interest interest meeting. And then we started in February of 2019, which was two months before my 21st birthday. So I feel like I made it in the Nick of time, you know? And and, and we were all ready. I didn’t completely expect to be, but everything just kind of settled in and fell into place. And it was exactly what the Lord wanted me to do when we feel right about it. We know we’re being led by the spirit and where we need to be. So that’s the story.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:10):
And so you have spent a lot of time studying God’s word, spending time with God getting a message for people, and then you actually started a podcast and that started attracting attention. Tell me some of, of what God has been speaking to you about the time that we’re in.

Pastor David Grams (05:31):
Yeah. So when I was first really thinking about this, I was probably 15, 16 years old. And I, like I mentioned, I had spent a lot of time in prayer in my prayer closet personally, it was just being out in the woods. I loved being outside. And so I would pray. And the Lord from the time, you know, as alert as early as I can remember, the Lord had inspired me and actually woken me up to a relationship with God through the story of King David. And so, like I mentioned, as early as I can, I was so interested in the story of David and Goliath and I, and I read through first and second Samuel many, many times. And that was actually the first thing I ever studied in the Bible. I had brushed through scripture before, but first and second Samuel was really what did it for me is what inspired me.

Pastor David Grams (06:10):
And so the Lord used that scripture, specifically that story of David and Goliath to show me the stage that the body of Christ is in around the world right now. And he told me that through the story of David and Goliath, that just as King Saul was not equipped to face Goliath or encourage or inspire the army because of his timidity and lack of obedience, God had to raise up somebody else. And he showed me that King salt represents kind of a fading or falling away a floundering generation or paradigm of Christianity that’s ineffective. And he said that he’s restoring the church back to what he called the rock from which we were hewn or the, the, the kind of origins of, of, of the church being the acts of the apostles and what the church was like. Then he said, he’s restoring us back to that.

Pastor David Grams (06:53):
And that, that represents the, the rising of David to, to take the throne in other words, to take kind of the forefront of ministry. And he said that one of the things it says about David in first, Samuel is that as Saul grew weaker and weaker, David grew stronger and stronger. And it also says about King David, that though Saul has slain his thousands, David, his 10 thousands. And it talks about David having an effectiveness because of the spirit of God that caused him to get more attention than King Saul. And the reason why it was because it says that David was the one seen going out to battle and coming back and saw was just stuck in the palace. And so the church, the body of Christ right now is, especially in America, is kind of in a condition where it’s stagnant, it’s complacent and the work’s not being not getting done.

Pastor David Grams (07:41):
We’re focusing on the palace, the buildings, the infrastructure, making things look, kingly, making things look more Regal. And instead when David showed up on the scene, it says that people loved David because he was the one going out and coming in. He was the one going, getting work done and returning with the spoil. And so the spoils, the souls, right? It’s the people coming into the kingdom. And it’s the people who are not just making disciples or not just becoming disciples, but making disciples themselves. And so he said that this is about inspiring this generation to return to our roots of the acts of the apostles and to start realizing every single one of us are called to be ministers. Every single one of us are called to be evangelists in a sense, and that we’re all knowing that we’re soul winners and that we understand that that’s the purpose of our life and our existence, and that we’re called to walk like Jesus and represent him.

Pastor David Grams (08:29):
And he said specifically with David, it was about inspiring courage and others. It was about removing that barrier, the giant of fear, and cause often by ignorance and, and religious to see and, and division and, and schism in the body of Christ and putting all those things aside and putting those we’re stepping into what we’ve always been called to. And so that’s how the Lord originally communicated the calling for Valiant church to me. And then when we started the church, that was the foot we shared off on. And so I used that story of David and Goliath, and I referenced it frequently to our congregation here to make sure that we’re staying reminded of that original story or, or illustration that catalyzed the move of God in this.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:11):
Amen. Well, God used David at a very young age to kill Goliath. And I believe God will use you to slay many spiritual giants here in Minneapolis. The city of Minneapolis is a very diverse city. There’s people here from many different parts of the world. You’ve got a lot of people from Somalia, a lot of Hispanic people. You’ve got a lot of people from Asia and the eyes of the entire world really we’re focused on Minneapolis recently when George Floyd was killed here. And so there were riots and it looked like there was a lot of, of need here in Minneapolis. And so you have been placed here by God, in such a unique capacity to, to, to speak into people’s lives during a time where there is a lot of need for, for, for, for help from God. And one of the things I really like about your church is you’re focusing on North Minneapolis. And there’s, there’s a lot of need in some of the areas in North Minneapolis. Kind of tell me about that and what you’re doing in North Minneapolis.

Pastor David Grams (10:27):
Absolutely. So, yeah, with the killing of George Floyd, it caused a lot of unrest in Minneapolis, started in South because that’s where the incident took place. Some of it’s spread to North Minneapolis and there were a few riots, there was a couple of buildings that were broken into some of them were burned very severely. And so we knew immediately after having been now settled in North Minneapolis, my wife and I recently moved in there. We stopped doubting the fact that God wanted us to be there specifically because there were so many events that unfolded that just totally woke us up to the reality that we’re called to be in this area. And so it’s caused us to realize with the interactions we’ve had with other people that, that the mainly the residents of North Minneapolis are hungry for community. And for all of, they may not say so directly, they’re hungry for people to help them feel like they belong to really, to someone which we know that someone is Jesus and there’s that together with natural needs that people have.

Pastor David Grams (11:28):
There’s a lot of poverty in North Minneapolis. People are hungry for food. A lot of people are even asking for water bottles of water. There is a most of the violent crimes in North money or in Minneapolis Metro take place in North. And so there’s street corners that sometimes we do evangelism on and, and people will come up to us and we’ve had several times people come up to us and tell us to get off the corner. You know, they’re saying, you guys shouldn’t hang out down here. You know, because there’s a lot of, a lot of crime and stuff and there’s gambling outside the gas station and all kinds of crazy things. And, and so I’ve just grown to just really grow fond of the people there and to realize that they’re family to us. And so that realization of the need that’s in North Minneapolis had awakened us to our call to be family, to them, to love them.

Pastor David Grams (12:19):
And so that caused a series of events in a domino effect, if you will. Well, that brought us to the opportunity to make a house in North Minneapolis and a particular street available for what we are not calling, calling a ministry house. You could sort of say that it’s kind of a household community center. And so a few members of our church were so generous and, Oh, I’ll be the obeyed, the leading of the Holy spirit. And they purchased this home and essentially donated it to family and church for usage. And so now we’re using this place as a location for blocks parties, open houses, and we serve neighbors in North Minneapolis by giving them food. We serve meals to them. We also give away winter wear in the colder months in Minnesota, we have discipleship groups, Bible studies, worship nights, all kinds of things.

Pastor David Grams (13:09):
And we’re working on developing it because it’s fairly new. And it’s allowed us to establish ourselves in the neighborhood as a place of refuge and a place of just familial care for the people in the neighborhood. And people are starting to kind of catch wind of this are starting to know why we’re there and just that we’re there in general. And so we’ve had, we’ve had a lot of great responsiveness from, from people in the neighborhood, appreciating what we’re doing. And we know that God is using us to bring redemption to North Minneapolis and not just in getting people to say a prayer of salvation, but really about actually removing violence from the city to the best of our ability, which we know is going to be in the, in the power of the Holy spirit. And we’re there to yes, to preach the gospel, to heal the sick, to set captives free deliverance, restoring families, marriages, and we want to actually see the city rebuilt.

Pastor David Grams (14:03):
And it’s actually inspired by a passage in Isaiah 61, one where Jesus quotes in, in Luke about the spirit of the Lord upon him. And there’s one passage in that where Jesus says that the captives that he sets free actually will go and rebuild ruins and restore ruined cities. And so he told us through that passage that we are in this neighborhood to set captives free, to see that the body of Christ built in this community from the inside out and turning those people who are saved into Rebuilders of this ruined city, which is really what North Minneapolis is. And neighbors are realizing this, that, that, that we care about them, that we love them. And there’s a, an amazing responsiveness because we’re not there for religious purposes, but we’re there for restoration, which is really what the heart of the gospel is. And so that’s, that’s what we’ve been doing primarily in mania. I think

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:58):
This is so beautiful, what you’re doing evangelistically to identify a neighborhood where there’s great need, where there’s high crime in the area. There’s a lot of poverty there and you didn’t just go there for a one day outreach or a one-week mission strip, but you and your wife actually moved into the neighborhood so that you can live there as a redemptive presence to be able to, to minister on a regular basis to the people there. And then now you’ve, you’ve also have a ministry house where you’re starting to, to reach out to the neighborhood and you’re, you’re, you’re reaching out to people. And so today in church here, as I was preaching, there was a young man that you had picked up and brought here. His name is Robert, how old is Robert? He’s 11 years old, 11 years old. And during my message today, I grabbed him and used him in some of my illustrations. And I was just so impressed with young Robert, because he was just shouting the verses out and saying, amen, and, and getting people excited about Jesus. Tell me some about how you met Robert’s family and kind of what God is doing in his life.

Pastor David Grams (16:19):
Yep. So Robert and his family is kind of an example of really what our heart is for the neighborhood. And it began because we went door to door with food, and we were working with another church that was kind of a drop-off site for food, for churches all over the place. And so we drew drew on them. We’re able to get boxes of meals, prepared meals. And so we brought some meals to this random house on Logan Avenue, which in North Minneapolis is it’s actually Lowery and Logan Avenue. And that particular corner has the most violent crimes in the area. And so there’s cop cars all the time. There’s always sirens, gunshots, most nights we can hear gunshots. And so on this particular street, we decided to walk down and just knock on doors and give food to people. And so we stopped at this one house and mom came out her name Shaniqua.

Pastor David Grams (17:07):
And we asked her if she needed food. She said she didn’t need food at the time. But she said that she would let us pray for her. Cause we wanted to pray for people as well. And so we were prayed for her, just really basic prayer of just the love and the peace of God. And she was touched enough that she said she specifically wanted us to come back again just to pray for her. And so she was very, very touched by that. So he came back the next week and, and prayed for her again. And then we asked if we could bring some chicken Alfredo to her house and eat with her. We kind of invite her, invited ourselves over for dinner. And so she said yes to that. And which was unusual because she, she made it clear to us that the people in this neighborhood don’t generally trust each other. You know, there’s, there’s a lot of unrest, a lot of cynicism going on, but the Lord us an open door. And so we w

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:51):
So you took, you cook some chicken Alfredo and took it over there and had a meal with them.

Pastor David Grams (17:57):
Yup. Yup. So my wife and I cook the chicken off chicken Alfredo, and we talked to her and her children and Robert was one of them. He’s the oldest one, 11, and w his mom allowed us to come and pick him up every week to bring them to church. And so we now have an established relationship with her where there’s trust being built in relationship and community. And so we’re able to, to reach that family. And Robert is one, who’s been one of the most responsive and that particular household. And so we’ve been able to do a lot with him.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:24):
I noticed this morning, one of his cousins, a young lady also came with him to church. And, and I think that’s so beautiful. And, and, and seeing how responsive Robert was this morning. If I want to step into the shoes of our profit for a minute, I just say, God is calling Robert to be a preacher. And to, I think that through his life many lives will be changed in the years to come. And you guys are, are having a a tremendous part in, in making that happen. Tell me some of the future plans for you. You have for, for Valiant church. It’s still a relatively new church, but you have a very healthy congregation people of, of many different ages and backgrounds in the congregation. What do you see God doing in the future?

Pastor David Grams (19:15):
Absolutely. So one of the things I think sets Valiant church apart from what is the way that church has generally done, typically done the United States is that we’re not about the kind of growth that is generally expected. We’re not necessarily looking for numbers in a congregation to attend on Sunday mornings. What we’re focusing on. And this is the way that the Lord called us is to make our community a value in church, both in new hope, where we’re meeting it. And in the North Minneapolis community, a model to the body of Christ in the United States for reaching their neighborhoods in a real organic, authentic way. And so the Lord is calling us to focus on providing the body of Christ with training, material, videos, lifestyle, examples of what it means for the average everyday, everyday believer to reach the person beginning with the person across the street from them. And so there’s a lot, there’s been a lot of talk when it comes to the message of evangelism around sending people overseas. And although that is so, so important, and we stand with that wholeheartedly, we genuinely believe that if the Lord wants us to reach the world and ultimately save the planet, we’ve got to start with the people who live on our block, you know? And so the Lord has had us really

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:37):
Jerusalem then Judea, then some area then to the uttermost ends of the earth. Yeah. And I’ve heard it said that the light that shines farthest shines brightest near at home. So I think you’re, you’re exactly, we need to reach it America. And in many ways, America is just as much of a mission field as any of the places that I go. I mean, percentage wise, there are a huge percentage of people right here in America that need Jesus

Pastor David Grams (21:05):
Huge. Yeah. Especially in Minneapolis, because the demographic is very diverse. It’s the most culturally diverse city in the United States, Minneapolis. And so we’ve got people from all over the world. Many of them have never heard the gospel. I mean, I was a bite squad driver for awhile delivering food. And I talked to a few guys at restaurants, or I go to pick up food. And there’s a young man. I talked to once who worked at an Indian restaurant, knew a little bit of English enough to understand me. He had never heard the name of Jesus before. He, all he said was that he had seen crosses on the top of churches and things like that, but never heard the gospel. And so there’s lots of people in Minneapolis who need the gospel. And I think that the Lord has established the United States as kind of a hub where missionaries evangelists are trained and then sent out into the uttermost parts of the earth. And so for that reason, the calling on the United States has compelled us to then reach those people that live here, knowing that there’s a call on them to, to, to go out into all nations. So that’s what we’re about.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:00):
Well, I’m so impressed with what you’re doing, especially at such a young age. I’m very honored to be invited to speak here at the church this morning. And I believe that God has amazing things in store for Valiant church. So pastor David, thank you so much for being a guest on the evangelism podcast.

Pastor David Grams (22:19):
Thank you. I really appreciate it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:21):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast. Could you do me a favor, go to Apple iTunes, find the evangelism podcast and leave us a review. Your review will help other people who are excited about evangelism. Find the evangelism podcast. Thank you. And God bless you for more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

Will Jones | Reaching the African American Community

Having conversations about race in America in often uncomfortable. Today Daniel King and Evangelist Will Jones discuss some of the issues plaguing white America and black America. Michael Brown, George Floyd, the Tulsa Race Massacre…we talk about it all and discuss what God wants to see happen among the African American community.

Notes: God has given Will Jones a vision to conduct the “Ten Most Dangerous Cities in America Tour.” He wants to do an evangelistic outreach in each of the ten cities where there is the most crime and poverty in America.

How does the sin of racism continue to impact America?

What impact did the Tulsa race massacre have on the African American community in Tulsa?

Why is it important to confess the sin of racism?

Learn about Will’s plan to launch the “Ten Most Dangerous Cities in America Tour.”

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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Having conversations about race in America is often uncomfortable. Today. I talked to evangelist will Jones and discuss some of the issues. Plaguing white America, and black America, Michael Brown, George Floyd, the Tulsa race massacre. We talk about it all and discuss what God wants to see happen among the African American community.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:24):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:00):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King. And I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. My guest today will Jones is an evangelist who is African-American. He grew up in East St. Louis. He went into basketball, got some scholarships, which pulled him out of that area, where he grew up in, and then he found that he was called to be an evangelist. And so now he is full time preaching the gospel, but he has a heart for reaching the African American community. So brother will thank you for being on the podcast with me today.

Evangelist Will Jones (01:39):
No, it’s awesome. Privileged to be on Daniel. Thanks so much for having me

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:43):
Right near East St. Louis, where you grew up is where the, the Ferguson riots took place a few years ago, after a young man named Michael Brown was shot by a policeman. And of course, everyone was upset about that. And right after that happened, do you, you participated in, in doing so some outreaches in that area, and then over the course of time, God brought you to Minneapolis, Minnesota. That’s where you live now. And right when you got here George Floyd was killed by some police and they had riots here. And so it seems like you are right in the middle of some of these areas that God has brought you to. And there’s a, a ferment of discontent sometimes that between different communities. So, so talk to me some about what you think is happening in the African-American community and what God wants to do among the African-American community here,

Evangelist Will Jones (02:47):
Here in America. Yeah. You know, I, as you think about all that’s happened since really, I mean, you can’t even look at just 2014. I think our country has almost been plagued with the, of injustices toward the people group of African-Americans. And it, it goes back to even the constitution of being three fifths of a person and having to man to page slavery, all the history that we can see. And these are, these are true facts about our history as a country. And so I heard one prominent preacher mentioned that the things that are happening today is really just kind of a, the fruit of the root in our country. I think it was Bishop TD Jakes who said that, and I love that the analogy he uses there because everything that that’s planted well, we’ll have some type of growth to it.

Evangelist Will Jones (03:40):
And unfortunately the fruit that we’re seeing in our country with this group of African-Americans is just the, the root of what’s been planted. And so with that though, I think out of the African-American history there are a lot of great things. You have a lot of people from WWII, the bullies to Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman to, I can go on and on that understood about perseverance. They understood that challenges were going to come because of not just where they live, but who they were. And so with that being said, I think the, the, the foundation of God has been in the black community even tracing back to slavery. That’s how a lot of the slaves got through they got through. And because of that faith in God, there was always some type of great orator that Rose up, you know, Martin Luther King and several other leaders of our day that Rose up to be a prominent voice for black community no way shape or fashion saying that to me, but I do, I do feel God has put on my heart almost to be a Moses.

Evangelist Will Jones (04:53):
You know, Moses went back to his people and had great success with the, reaching them with the leading of the Lord. And so as you look at today, the decline of the church in the African-American community a lot of the churches that exist that were prominent back then 40, 50 plus years ago, maybe are not prominent now they don’t have influence to reach their community. You look at our, our justice system of incarceration. You know, the majority percentage of that is African-Americans, which leaves it a deficit in homes of a lack of fathers and sons grown up to be criminals. And so these are things that didn’t just happen through a people group. These are things that were that happened social economically and, and their systems of injustices that has caused it. And so the one thing I know and believe that can help change the heart of people is the gospel. And, you know, I grew up in the city that was full of crime, full of corruption. We moved to a city that was mostly white, but it had a flight of blacks in it. So then there was a white flight. And so there were a lot of injustices that I experienced as a kid gunpoint been pulled over by cops, been frisked, been roughed up. Like, I can give you so many stories

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:17):
And you’re a nice guy. Yeah, yeah. Let’s, let’s talk a little bit about the sin of racism, which racism is absolutely a sin. And we’ve dealt with this in the city where I’m from I’m from Tulsa, Oklahoma, and in Tulsa, one of the stains on our history is the Tulsa race riots, which now they’re saying it should really be called the Tulsa race massacre, because what it was, was a bunch of white people that went and murdered black people and burned down what they call black wall street. And so at that time there were businesses, they were very successful. The black community was doing really well in Tulsa. And then that entire area got burned down. And now there is, there’s a lot of poverty where an area that could have developed economically and brought hope and a future for people, it got burned down.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:18):
And so we’re still dealing with the injustice of that. And, and, you know, God loves everyone. I think that racism is absolutely a sin. We, we go over to Africa and Asia and, and, and, and, and South America. And part of our message is you are creating an image of God, God created you. Wonderful. God created you. Beautiful. You, you are valuable, you are special. God has a plan for you. But I, I think that sometimes that the African-American community here feels like people don’t think that they’re valuable and that sin of racism has caused a lack of trust between people. What, what do you think that we can do as ministers to help bring healing where there’s been hurt?

Evangelist Will Jones (08:15):
Yeah. You know, I would say, you know, as we look at the sin of racism that word even today has been, become so polarized and the nuances of it as to how people view it. You know, when, whenever you mentioned that word, many Christians get very defensive because we feel as though it’s an attack against our morale, but we also have to remember we’re, we’re Christians only because of God’s grace. And so we, we all were centers in some, in some circles, they say we still are centers, you know? But the reality of it is it still exists because since still exists. And so, you know, as we look at healing, I think, you know, you look at the scripture first, John one, one nine talking about the power of confession and a confession. A lot of times it’s only viewed in the context of when we’ve done something wrong, but we can also confess the good thing.

Evangelist Will Jones (09:10):
We can also confession a form of something that’s decorative. And I think when we look at addressing the sin of racism many leaders in our country have done a good job at this, but unfortunately it hasn’t permeated throughout the country as a whole, the evangelical church. I think we just have to really confess and acknowledge. I love that word confession first, John one nine, because it talks about to agree with God. And I think once we agree with God, that’s where healing really comes from that we can agree with God that we’ve done something that’s not in his sight morally, right. And his standard of righteousness has to live in our hearts as Christ followers. And like you said, we all are valuable. We are created an image of God. And regardless of how our culture, our socioeconomic narrative has brought us to believe about a certain group of people.

Evangelist Will Jones (10:03):
We can’t believe that based on what God says as Christians, we have to believe what God says as Christians and give people the benefit of the doubt to know that we’re all really have the same baseline regardless of where we come from. So I think acknowledging and confessing our sin of racism as a country is very, very huge. And then I would say also Daniel becoming aware not only of our sin, but of our blind spots. There’s a great resource by pastor miles and MacPherson out of California, that wrote a book on the third option. And it talks about the blind spots that we all have as people. And so I think being coming aware of our blind spots that, Hey, you may not be a racist outright overt, but you may be prejudice. You may have some prejudices that came from how you grew up in the narrative that was shaped of black people that was polarized on media, in different outlets as blacks being criminals or less than a lot of people have that narrative as white.

Evangelist Will Jones (11:09):
And it just really, it wasn’t even their fault. It was just the social economic aspect of the socialization that we live in. And so I think acknowledging our sins, becoming aware of our blind spots and then building relationships with people that don’t look like you don’t vote. Like you don’t think like you don’t live where you live which is a challenge for most of us because we live rather homogeneously. We only connect with people that look like us, think like us vote like us have the same type of things we have. And so I would say those are a few things that I would leave. People can take a step toward addressing the sin of racism in our country.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:50):
I think it takes a lot of humility to admit prejudice within oneself. And, and then to also say, I’m sorry, please forgive me. Yes, injustices have been done. Please forgive me. You know, I didn’t do it, but maybe my ancestors did it, you know, but despite what’s happened in the past, I think that we can live together. We can love one another. We can value and esteem one another, lift one another up. And I also think that God has a great plan for the African-American community here in America. And there needs to be new voices that rise up in order to, to speak into the African-American community and, and, and to pull them back to God. And, and we’ll, I think that you are one of those voices that, that God is rising up because there are some things that you can say as an African-American that I could never say that would not be accepted. And even sometimes things that you can communicate in ways that, that, that an evangelist like me who happens to be white would sometimes it would be difficult to earn the trust of the community to be able to, to really communicate. And so God’s put it on your heart to do outreaches in, in different parts of America. Tell, tell me about that and what you see that, that God wants to do.

Evangelist Will Jones (13:30):
Yeah. You know, I agree with you, I believe God is raising up key leaders that are African-American pastors and evangelist. And there are so many that have been doing a great job. I mean, we were just talking to one in Tulsa, pastor Mike Todd, and I can name several others, pastor Earl in Dallas, and just so many people. But particularly with the gifting of the evangelist these are communities that I’ve been processing and praying about probably for the last seven years. God put a vision on my heart back in 2013 to target the most 10 dangerous cities that in dangerous meaning the most crime and the unlikely places that people would want to go live. And several large publications, Forbes magazine times, you know, have statistics to FBI statistics, put these things out every year. And instead of people actually not wanting to go toward those communities, I think it’s the responsibility of the church to infiltrate those communities and not isolate them.

Evangelist Will Jones (14:37):
You know, there’s a lot of gentrification trying to happen in those communities. Well, these are just all forms of pushing out the issues of what’s happening in bringing in money as a solution. We know money is not the solution, it’s the gospel. And so we don’t demean, you know, other organizations that work socially and are doing a great job that are already being an asset in those communities. But yeah, so we’ve been processes at as a ministry team. What would it look like, you know, to go into the most 10 dangerous cities and do unique outreaches? What I mean by unique is African-Americans, don’t just come to large gatherings you know, we can throw stadium events that we’re kind of used to as evangelists in different countries or cities, but usually the attendance is very low for African-Americans. Part of it is because of a lack of trust.

Evangelist Will Jones (15:25):
And so I think I do have an advantage being black, being from some of those types of cities where I could identify. But I’m really excited because this year we’ve started to kind of really take an action step toward visioning and planning what would be our first city. We don’t know yet what that is, but we’re going to be praying as a team and we’re taking action steps to really assess how we can lay out this campaign. It could be a year what we do one a year in one major city for a tenure plan, or it could be two a year, four five-year plan. And so we’re just processing, but we’re really excited. My friend cause these churches that are there, they, they they’ve lost influence with the community. The youth that are coming up have a lack of resources in the education system.

Evangelist Will Jones (16:10):
And so we’ll have great partners that are partnered with us. People like convoy of hope different education organizations there’s abortion that is high in those areas as it has been in history for African-American communities. And we’re going to partner with a great organizations that want to come in and stop the abortions and, and help give women hope that have children. And so we’re really just really, really excited to go and reach these communities, but with an effort to also be a catalyst for church planting orcs, there are some church planting orgs we’ve been in talk with that want to send planters to those areas, to plant and do, bring something fresh and new to reach those new families that are arising in those communities.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:56):
So you want to do the 10, most dangerous cities in America and do evangelistic outreaches in those areas. What you’ve done some research, where are some of the places in America where there’s high crime, high poverty, where there there’s the greatest need?

Evangelist Will Jones (17:12):
Yeah, I mean, one is where I was, I used to live St. Louis St. Louis, Missouri is, I mean, I was just there recently and they’ve passed their, their, their most historic moment of homicides is almost 270 homicides in the city. That’s 350,000 people. So that’s very hot. You know, you got cities like Stockton, California which is, you know, maybe a couple of hundred thousand, 150,000, but a hundred plus murders a year homicides. You got cities like Baltimore, Maryland. Those are just to name a few. And these are cities that again, the police force and the government man, they’re working hard and, and attempting to make a great change and they’re doing it. But they’re, they’re, they’re wanting more partners to, to come in and help. And we’re just going to provide that spiritual component with the people that are already there, the churches and the leaders to again, be a catalyst for God to bring about a movement of seeing the African American community come to the forefront of being missional leaders.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:14):
Well, thank you will for being on the podcast, if someone’s listening and wants to help to support you. And in going into these 10, most dangerous cities in America, what is your website?

Evangelist Will Jones (18:26):
Yeah, they can find us on awakening M as in Mary, I N T l.org. So that again, that’s awakening M as in Mary and then I N T l.org. So awakening what we call mental dot org.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:42):
Well, I believe that God is raising you up to be a voice and an evangelistic voice, and your voice is much needed and valuable. And so I value you and Jan and, and my friendship with you. And I’m just so excited about what God is doing through you and your ministry. Thanks for being on the podcast.

Evangelist Will Jones (19:00):
Thank you. Daniel was always a privilege to spend some time with you, my friend.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:05):
Wow. It was so good to have will Jones on the evangelism podcast today. What a tremendous ministry he has. If you’re listening, I’d like to ask you to subscribe to our podcast. And also if you could go to iTunes and find the evangelism podcast and leave us a review, those reviews help other people who are excited about evangelism. Find this podcast. God bless you

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Will Jones | Awakening Ministries International

Will Jones had the talent to become a professional NBA basketball player. But instead he felt called by God to become an evangelist. Now his ministry is having an impact in nations around the world. On today’s podcast, you will learn about the strategic process Will uses to reach a region for Jesus. Every step begins with the letter “P” so listen closely so you don’t miss any…

Awakening Ministries International exists to reach the lost, to develop leaders, and to be a catalyst for church planting in unreached places of the world.

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Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Will Jones had the talent to become a professional NBA basketball player, but instead he felt called by God to become an evangelist. Now his ministry is having an impact in nations around the world. On today’s podcast, you’ll learn about the strategic process we’ll use is to reach a region for Jesus. Every step begins with the letter P so listen closely. So you don’t miss any.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:31):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:09):
Podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I’m with a very special friend in snowy, Minnesota will Jones. Thank you for being on the podcast.

Will Jones (01:24):
Ju it’s a joy to be here and Daniel Love you. My friend

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:27):
Will, and Jennifer Jones have been close friends with me and my wife, Jessica, for several years, we’ve had the opportunity to do several international trips together and participated in, in crusades and different parts of the world. And will is the founder and the president of awakening ministries international, a ministry that’s dedicated to evangelism into awakening, helping the church arise and helping the church get activated in their mission. So a brother will tell me a little bit about how you got started as an evangelist.

Will Jones (02:04):
Yeah. You know wow. It’s, it’s a crazy story. I mean, in short, basically I was born and raised in an area called East St. Louis. one of nine children. Mom took us to church. You had one or two options go willingly or be rolled in. So we chose the first option to go willingly and then came to the Lord as a, as a 14 year old and really didn’t follow Jesus until post high school almost post-college. And I had a radical encounter with Jesus, my junior year of college, and just really set me on a path to, to grow and be discipled. There was a local passion, the community in my college that helped disciple me and other athletes. And after that I pursued professional basketball. I didn’t really want to go into the business world, which is what my degree was in and pursued professional basketball for a couple of years went over to Europe and was there in the country of Belgium.

Will Jones (03:03):
It was a great opportunity to play and was radically living for Jesus sharing my faith in Europe, which was, it was awesome. But there, I hit a crossroads to really figure out what God had designed me for, what was his purpose of my life. And so set out for the seven day fast. I think anytime we fast and pray, then you’re going to hear from God. And so at the end of that fast I really heard from the Lord about prayers, I’d prayed as a kid growing up in a really impoverished city growing up with a lack of things, welfare just a crazy gamut of things. And the Lord really spoke to me about his purpose and call on my life. And he said, very clearly, I want you to preach the gospel.

Will Jones (03:51):
And I had no clue what that meant. I had a backslidden preacher, that was an uncle. But at that point in time, my athletic professional career was really trajecting. And so at the end of that fast during that fast, I asked God not to let any teams call me no agent calls from my agent, and I just wanted to hear him and sure enough, he did speak at the end of that fast very clearly. And then also at the end of that fast, I got another call. That call was from my agent who informed me that two NBA teams were very interested in my profile as a player. And I was asked to get to the NBA summer camp like the next week I decided to go. I decided not to go. But I decided to go and follow the call on my life to follow Jesus. And so I gave up that lucrative career of possibly playing professional basketball to become an evangelist. And just a couple of years after that the Lord led me to start AMI, which is awakening ministries international. And since then, we’ve just been preaching the gospel in countries that God has opened up the door, particularly focused on unreached groups in this season now. But it’s been a joy.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:00):
So as you’re going to these different countries, you are doing evangelistic festivals, you’re also developing leaders and you’re being a catalyst for church planning. So, so talk me through some of the countries that you’ve been doing that in and, and tell me what that looks.

Will Jones (05:19):
Yeah. So right now we are looking in to West Africa. It’s, it’s really kind of an untapped region. You know, it’s, it’s predominantly Muslim. A lot of those countries are Muslim by law. And so one of the countries we’re actually going to be focusing on is Sierra Leone. It’s a phenomenal country, great country of about 8 million people, but it’s about 60 plus percent Muslim. And the other 20 plus percent is probably animistic. And so Christianity is less than 5% there. So there’s a great opportunity. It’s open door. We’re really grateful to partner with some national organizations there, and these are going to be the really driving sustainable factor. They want to plant churches in some of the groups of people. You know, you have the mandate group you have to, Timne, you have the Kisii, you have several different major people groups that are really unreached there. And we’re partnering with these national organizations that want to plant churches and we’re coming alongside them strategically to help train believers and the contextual evangelism learning from them. What they’ve done, what they’ve done well what’s not working it. Didn’t really partnering with them with resources and training to be able to go and reach those people groups along with the national leaders. So that there’s a sustainable movement of disciples making disciples

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:40):
In 2017. You and I had the privilege of working together in the nation of Belize, doing a massive festival of hope for the entire nation of Belize. We did 10 crusades simultaneously in the 10 population centers across Belize. And it was just amazing what, what God did. And you participated by doing the, the Orange Walk district and one of our key coordinators to help, to organize all that was pastor manual. And I’m really excited because now pastor Manuel is on the staff of Awakening Ministries International. And it’s neat because God’s continuing the fruit of what happened there in beliefs. Tell me some of what your ministry is doing in beliefs and then what your plans are for Latin America.

Will Jones (07:34):
Yeah. You know, one of the other regions that we feel like the Lord is it’s really opening the door to as well as Latin America. It’s almost like the forgotten region. I would say. You know, there’s been a great history of revival and Argentina and Brazil and other countries, but there are still quite a bit of unreached people groups there in Latin American. So one of the countries that we’ve been entertaining as Ecuador there’s a large group of people that are called the Afro Ecuadorians that we’re privileged to learn about understanding their context and socialization there’s missionary partners during the ground through a national organization there as well. And so we’re really excited. And then what, what our goal was years ago and, and manual has been helping this he’s our Latin American director is we have an actual office in Belize, even though it’s central America.

Will Jones (08:26):
It kind of exists as a hub. And so, you know, we’re raising up some leaders that are from that central American country, but these it’s kind of almost like a melting pot because it has people from Ecuador and Honduras and other central or Latin American countries that’s in it. And our offices there we’ve got a small team that’s been built there and they’re really helping to mobilize for our evangelist mission festivals throughout Latin America. And so our goal in the future, like to really infiltrate areas and pockets of Latin America, that hasn’t been touched really just as well as some areas in Africa and eventually the middle East and continue to go where there is an unreached population that’s open and we can get into, to do the type of ministry that God’s blessed us to do through our festival model.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:15):
One of the things I really like about you will is that you are a very strategic thinker and you’re thinking about missions and how to impact different areas, how to really make a difference. And so talk me through your, your festival model and how that works in conjunction with some of the other elements of being really strategic about making an impact in a nation.

Will Jones (09:40):
Yeah. You know, I would just start off by saying Daniel man, I have to give honor towards do, because the late Reverend Billy Graham was like the father of this, and you can even go back to, you know, Billy Sunday and moody. And so many John Wesley, I mean, a lot of these men, great men of God paved the way for us to even think through strategy today. You know, even yourself, you know, I learned so much from you and, you know, the Palau organization and, and people that are years ahead of us. And so this model is almost it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s no point in reinventing the wheel in a sense there’s some tweaks and things that we needed to do contextually, but really we start out with, you know, I love alliterations cause I think they’re, they’re easy. So it’s a lot of P’s, but we start out with a really a prayer you know, as you can see, we’ve got this map behind us and we just kind of look for areas in the world through research and things that we can begin to pray about.

Will Jones (10:35):
And once we feel like God lays something on our heart there, we, we kind of moved toward organizing what we would call a pre-trip or an advanced trip in the, in that in that whole process, man, we’re looking for persons of peace. And so I was taught to do ministry best through relationships. And so a lot of times it’s not who, you know, is not what you know, but it’s who, you know. And so, and I know people that know people, but I also don’t know people that know people. And so once we can find what we would call a person of peace we, we usually try to land a pre-trip in that country and they’re not pre-trip we just try to figure out meeting with key leaders, key fathers and mothers of the city, spiritual fathers, governmental leaders, civic leaders that are Christian and even non-Christian and look at the spiritual state of that community.

Will Jones (11:26):
Look and see if they’re a good people groups there that are considered still unreached and, and see how we can partner with the heart of the nationals. I think that’s always the key, you know, our friends at Palau talks about, you know, and I, I’m probably going to Badger this quote, but it talks about how we work with the church in the church and through the church to some extent that quote was, and I would say that’s really our heart. If isn’t an established church there, then we try to partner with other organizations, which partnership is one of our values here at AMI to find if they’re planting, if they’re looking to plant new churches. And so we work with the locals, we work with them, we work through them. And with that, we lead from this pre-trip to really deciding, is this a place where we can be invited to partner with our, our brothers and sisters, once that partnership phases established, we then really move into the planning.

Will Jones (12:24):
And that’s when we began to plan established like committees and things like that. And you’re familiar with that as seasoned evangelists and look at really the socialization of that group, of people in that community, how are they functioning? What do they believe? Why do they believe it? What are the things that, that they worship is that animism? Is it, you know Islam, is it whatever, and, and look at what are the bridges to the gospel. And then we kind of find the barriers to it. And then we figure out, you know, prayerfully partnering with locals. What’s some of the best ways that we can contextually reach this group of people through a festival model. And so we began to plan that festival, that planning usually leads into what we would call the proclamation phase. And so based on that proclamation phase, that’s when we blitzed the region there we, we sent outreach teams out.

Will Jones (13:14):
We do conferences for pastors and leaders. We’ll do you know, if it’s conducive to that area, we’ll do business conferences whatever we need to do to blitz that community with the gospel and, and partner with those nationals. And then finally based on our festival happening within that week we move into what we would call the preserve phase where we really be getting, try to follow up with the churches, with the evangelism efforts discipleship to really begin to sustain the harvest. And then those organizations that we’ve partnered with we’ll plant they’ll plant churches or new or existing churches will be strengthened with new disciples. And so that’s, that’s pretty much what we’ve been doing,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:57):
Do it all with the power of the Holy spirit. So you gotta bring some, some power from, from the Holy spirit, in every single phase of the strategic planning. That’s so tremendous. Will I, I’m just so excited about what God is doing through your ministry and how God has been promoting you. And, and when we first met, you really hadn’t done anything international. I remember we, we went together to, to Honduras and, and just had a did a an event there. And you were asking questions, how do you do this? How do you do that, that? And so it’s just so exciting to see what God has been been doing through your ministry. And I believe that the best is yet to come. If some of the, the, my listeners would be interested in supporting you and helping you out, what is your website that people can go to and find out more about you?

Will Jones (14:54):
Yeah. it’s, it’s awakening the word awakening. M as in Mary, I N T l.org, again, awakening M as in Mary, I N T l.org. All of our information is on there. You know, we love to send teams we love to equip churches and partners to go on mission with us. And so we love to have people that may be your audience and listening to come along and be, you know, a part of some of our missions teams and some of the countries that we’re going to be going in. And we’ve got opportunities for volunteerism, all of that. And so we’d love to have people we love to develop and grow people here at AMR.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:30):
Wonderful. Thank you for being with me on the evangelism podcast.

Will Jones (15:34):
Awesome. Thanks my brother. It’s just awesome. Keep up the great work, man. Love you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:37):
Wow. It was so good to have will Jones on the evangelism podcast today. What a tremendous ministry he has. If you’re listening, I’d like to ask you to subscribe to our podcast. And also if you could go to iTunes and find the evangelism podcast and leave us a review, those reviews help other people who are excited about evangelism. Find this podcast. God bless

Evangelism Podcast Host (16:05):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

Tamryn Klintworth | Why Be a Lawyer When You Can Be An Evangelist?

Tamryn Klintworth was studying to be a lawyer, but then she attended a Reinhard Bonnke crusade and caught a passion for soul winning. Now she is a full-time evangelist traveling all over Africa to preach the Gospel.

Questions: 

Can God use a female evangelist?

What advice would you give to other female evangelists?

Website: https://www.inhisname.global

If you are excited about evangelism listen to the Evangelism Podcast, with Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach.

Transcription:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Tamryn Klintworth was studying to be a lawyer, but then she attended a Reinhard Bonnke crusade in Nigeria and caught a passion for soul-winning. Now she’s a full-time evangelist traveling all over Africa to preach the gospel.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:17):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:54):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I love telling people about Jesus and today we have a very special guest with us, miss tamarin, Clint worth from in his name ministries. And she is very unique as an evangelist because she is female and a powerful woman of God preaching the gospel. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Tamryn Klintworth (01:16):
Thank you, Daniel. Very excited to be chatting with you for these few minutes. Look forward to seeing what the Holy spirit unpacks.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:23):
So tell me, how did you become an evangelist,

Tamryn Klintworth (01:28):
Daniel? You know, the, the Lord likes surprising one, you know, he knows why he formed each and every one of us. I did not have crusade evangelism on my radar at all. And when I was growing up, grew up in a wonderful Christian home, received the Lord as savior at the age of five and loved the Lord. All my life pulled at the spirit. And as a young goal and fell in love with Jesus as a teenager, desperately in love with him, felt a pull to ministry, always assumed that it would be to believe us because in my books I’d never been an unbelievable, I’d only ever known Jesus. I’d never known the darkness. I’d only ever known the light and all the evangelists who I knew were men who had some checkered past some scary history, some testimony. And in my mind, I had no testimony.

Tamryn Klintworth (02:17):
I had no story to share with the lost and how would they come to Jesus if I didn’t have a story to share. And so I remain sensitive to the Lord’s voice and wanted to know from him what he wanted me to do with my life receive no specific direction. So went to university and was in the third year of a four year law degree and Johannesburg, South Africa. And I had the wonderful privilege of going on a crusade of evangelist rhino. Banca in Nigeria, in aperture. And that is where the Lord spoke to me. I’m looking out at a crowd of 500,000 people. The Lord spoke to me and said, tamarin, this is what I’ve called you to do. This is what you will do for the rest of your life. I was actually shell because until that day, and I say the shamefully, but until that day I had not one, one soul for Christ.

Tamryn Klintworth (03:06):
I didn’t even know how to do one-on-one evangelism, let alone crusade mass evangelism. I returned home and had a very honest the station with my dear father, who I love very much. We agreed I would finish the law degree and then I could launch out with his blessing. And while I studied, I learned how to evangelize. I would go between law classes, to the schools, the local schools teach the kids about Jesus. I would go to the gas stations, speak to the gas attendants there in South Africa. We have people who fill up our calls with guests. We very spoiled. I would witness to them minister to them, learn how to share the gospel, how to break it down into bite size pieces, word, preached to whoever I could find to preach to, and just started finding my feet. Hello. I own the tall crusade on a local university campus which was very exciting.

Tamryn Klintworth (04:01):
I was absolutely thrilled. A tiny crowd. I mean, gosh, if there were 50 people, there would have been a lot, but in my mind, I was finally having my first crusade and I was just bursting with joy. I finished the degree that last test paper I put down my pen and I have never looked back at the law game. I’m evangelist rhino. Banca often used to say to me, tamarin, you no longer preaching the law. You preaching grace. And I will preach until the Lord takes me home, bought my own tent, started tent evangelism, a thousand seat tent. And I went from location to location, having 10 crusades it’s didn’t know what I was doing. Didn’t know how to plan crusades, but I was doing my best. The Lord saw my heart. He took pity on me, I think. And I got a phone call from the Southern African direct of Christ, all nations.

Tamryn Klintworth (04:53):
So I kept in touch with after 10 in the crusade of evangelists, Reinhard Bonnke and the Lord must have put it on her heart. She phoned me and said, tamarin, come, come work with us. Learn, learn how to run a crusade, evangelistic ministry. I prayed about it. Grabbed the opportunity possible nations for, yeah. That’s where I met my wonderful husband. And then after that, I launched out into NSA ministries, having gospel crusades. We went from community hall to community hall to start off with in sort of having open air meetings. Few hundred people been a few thousand people gathering. Now we see tens of thousands gathering and we look forward to seeing hundreds of thousands and then millions want to go bigger and bigger, not because of our egos, but because the more people who are in a crusade service and the more people will get saved, following a single message. And isn’t that the thrill of massive Angeles, some one message can win thousands for Jesus. And that is what we live for. So this is now what I eat, breathe, dream, sleep, and talk. I have no hobbies. We’ve planned crusades. And that is what we do. We want to see Africa saved. Our focus is Africa. Africa is our heartbeat. I am a South African born and bred, and I want to see my continent safe and sound in the embrace of our savior King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:15):
I say amen to that. We are actually in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia right now sitting at the five loaves restaurant. We’ve had a wonderful time fellowshipping together and talking about evangelism. And you’ve been doing many crusades here in Ethiopia, and you were doing a crusade here this week. And I also had the opportunity to come and do a different crusade in a different city is tell me some of what God has been doing here in Ethiopia through your ministry.

Tamryn Klintworth (06:49):
Gosh, Daniel is such a special nation, you know, with a population of 110 million people. That’s a lot of people to get through a lot of room for lots of evangelists, evangelists, come hear me now come to Ethiopia. The harvest is ripe. The people are hungry. They are desperate. They all many different religions in this nation and we need to lift on high. The name of Jesus. It is only he who can save. He is the only path to our father. And when the people here hear that message, they grab hold of it with everything that is in them. And the response to the gospel here is absolutely fantastic. When you preach, the people are so quiet. You can hear a pin drop. As the saying goes, they listen and they grab hold of Jesus. We pray for the baptism of the Holy spirit, teach on the baptism of the Holy spirit.

Tamryn Klintworth (07:49):
We are seeing thousands upon thousands becoming filled with the spirit of the most high God miracles popping up like popcorn, Ethiopia. They always eat popcorn with their coffee. They know popcorn, the miracles. Gosh, one cannot stop them here. You pray in the name of Jesus. Even before you’ve prayed for the sick, the miracles are manifesting blind. Seeing deaf hearing the lame walking, just an avalanche of salvation and healing and deliverance just manifesting it at every crusade. And he had, there are so many, so many remote locations. You know, the population is spread out so many towns to head and we need a lot of evangelists to hit all of these towns. You know, I, I often say to my husband, when we drive into a crusade location and no, you know, Daniel, what the roads are like, you can take hours and hours and hours to reach your crusade location.

Tamryn Klintworth (08:45):
You drive past village after village town, after town, and often say to my husband, who’s going there. Who’s going there. You know, because one ministry, a handful of ministries cannot impact every town. We need an army, you know, so we need an army of crusade evangelists here to, to raise the battle crime, to win the lost. We need evangelists here who will equip the saints for soul-winning teach the believers how to do one on one evangelism, but it really does seem to be a need here. The saints don’t know how to witness. So we always make sure in our crusade preparation, we teach the saints how to witness the congregation members, the believers, we teach them how to do one-on-one evangelism. We need people who can teach those things. So this is yes, only one nation in Africa, but it is the second most populated nation in Africa. So they can own it to Nigeria. So when in Ethiopia for Jesus, it has winning a good chunk of Africa. So we need to get to work. There is

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:47):
A lot to do here in Ethiopia. And Ethiopia is found all throughout the Bible. It says in Psalms that Ethiopia shall quickly stretch out her hands to God. And that is true. The people here are ready to stretch out their hand. When the salvation call is given. One of the very unique things about your ministry is that you are a woman. And it’s amazing that when a woman preaches the gospel, it works exactly the same as when a man preaches the gospel. And I believe that God wants to raise up many more female evangelists that are bold and ready to go out and preach the gospel. And what would you say to women who maybe feel a calling to evangelism?

Tamryn Klintworth (10:36):
Go for it? There’s there’s no other advice I can give step out, start. You know, I started, you know, as I’ve just shade one-on-one and then small gatherings, you know, 10 people, you know, 50 people in a thousand seats attempt to crush the automated evangelist, but I got going, you have to start if you start, if you step out, if you speak to people about Jesus and we must not use the excuse of being an introvert, you know, I am an introvert by nature. I am not an extrovert.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:14):
Very interesting. I’m an introvert too. And like Daniel Kolenda is also an introvert. So, so God can use people of every different.

Tamryn Klintworth (11:22):
And I think he almost does it on purpose because as introverts, we need to rely on him even more. When speaking to people, we really have to be reliant on the Holy spirit. You know, just for the courage, you know, to open up our bowels and speak, you know, let alone the words that are meant to come out of our mouth. So we have to step out. We have to share about Jesus. We have to lay hands on the sick. We have to pray for the sick. You have to start. Ladies, if you feel cold called to ministry, we’re all called to win the loss. I’m speaking to ladies or call to specifically, those are culture evangelism, even crusade, evangelism start. If you’re not doing one-on-one evangelism, yet you start with that. You get out on the streets, you go into the highways and the byways, and you start after that, have your first crusade approach a local church.

Tamryn Klintworth (12:11):
If they won’t let you hold a crusade in the venue, ask to hold a crusade with a youth group. Pastors are amazingly liberal with a youth, fill it pretty much. Anyone speak to the youth, even a woman. So asked to hold a crusade with their youth on youth nights, print a bunch of flyers, get the kids to hand it out to their friends at school. Just start, you have to start. And if you start, I promise you, the Lord will build a team around you. He will give you wings to fly. When I started, I had no team. I was a one-woman show. I was pitching the taint. I was unpacking the chairs. I was organizing the ashes. I was preaching the gospel. I was doing everything. Was it fun? No. The joy came when I got that microphone and I could preach Jesus. And when I could lay hands on the sick that’s when the joy came.

Tamryn Klintworth (13:05):
But around that joy was a lot of pain and suffering, but I pushed, I worked, the Lord saw it and he started to build a team around me. Now we are registered as a ministry in South Africa, Ethiopia, the United Kingdom, the United States on crusade. I am with a bunch of main, my team men, and we work together. We work together. The Lord has built a team around me, men and women, very capable called in their own right to do different things. Things that I can not do. But if I had not started with the one-on-one, if I had not started my own little crusade with one pastor who wanted to work with me, then two passes, then three passes. It’s tough being a crusade evangelist. When you start open, it’s even tough being a woman because pastors look you up and down. And they, they, they don’t see much, but if you can possessed, I promise you, the Lord will raise you up.

Tamryn Klintworth (14:01):
His hand will lift you up. No man will to lift you up. God will raise you up. And the world will see that you are called and anointed and appointed, but don’t give up. The devil will make you want to give up a million times every day. And doesn’t make sense. They’re not even a million seconds in every day, but I know what it feels like to want to give up a million times free day. But I am so glad that I did. And now giving isn’t even an option. So ladies and men, men, I’m speaking to you as well because the gift of evangelism is for men and women. The Holy it’s the same. The gospel is the same. The power is the same in any the S male or female young or old, we have to rise up. We have to stop playing church.

Tamryn Klintworth (14:58):
We have to stop playing this week, water down waste and Christianity that runs from suffering and wants to be hip and cool and have a following on social media. God forgive us. May we crave to suffer for him to bleed for him to sweat for him one day to die for him, let us be the Christians who Jesus died to form. He died to form Christians who are Christ, like who wants to lift his name on high, no other name, no other names should be elevated, but his name. And I am very glad that he made me a woman because men do underestimate me. But I like it because when they underestimate me, they see Jesus and they look at me and they say, okay, this must be God. This must be God. And God gets all the glory, which is the way it should be. I have no muscles to show off. I have no swagger. I have no Strat. I have to have Jesus. I have Jesus. And he is more than enough.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:07):
That’s awesome. I love your passion for Jesus. I love your passion for evangelism. It’s so wonderful. If someone wants to find out more information about your ministry, what’s your website

Tamryn Klintworth (16:20):
In his name, dot global in his name dot globals. They welcome to connect with us. They’re also welcome to connect with us on social media. It is a wonderful platform when used in the right way, Tamryn Klintworth. I told my husband when I married him, I said, I’m keeping my maiden name because it is unique. And people will be able to find the ministry on social media. So Tamryn Klintworth is only one of me on social media, which is a blessing. And I post on social media, all the buttock crusades, what’s happening, what the Lord’s doing, where we going next, you can pray for us. You can stand with us, but we are going full steam ahead. When in Africa for Jesus. Yes. So we would love, we would love for you to share in the joy that fills our hearts. When we see the loss come into his arms,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:08):
Well, I’d encourage you to go and follow Tamryn Klintworth and see all the pictures of the crowds, the miracles there. They’re always wonderful. I always read your emails and pray for you, and it’s always wonderful to see what God is doing through your ministry. Thank you so much for joining me today.

Tamryn Klintworth (17:27):
Thank you, Daniel. Thank you very much. It’s been an absolute place. And to check with you

Speaker 2 (17:32):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches, visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

Jonathan Shibley | Global Advance on Fast Forward

Jonathan Shibley is the son of David Shibley and the President of Global Advance. Under his leadership the organization has multiplied their efforts to train front-line leaders around the globe.

Notes: 

What was it like to take up the mantle of leadership from your father?

What does it mean to “ignite change makers worldwide?

Why are kingdom entrepreneurs the sleeping giants of the Christian world?

Website: https://www.globaladvance.org/

If you are excited about evangelism listen to the Evangelism Podcast, with Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach.

Transcription:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Jonathan Shipley is the son of David Shibley in the president of global advance. Under his leadership. The organization has multiplied their efforts to train frontline leaders around the globe.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:15):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:53):
Podcast. I’m Daniel King. I’m excited about evangelism and telling people about Jesus. I have a very special guest with me today. Jonathan Shibley who leads global advance. Thank you for being with

Jonathan Shibley (01:05):
Me. Hey, it’s awesome to be here. Thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:08):
So recently on the podcast, we featured your father, David Shibley and heard some of the story about how global advance got started. And he was telling me about how his father was a pastor and because of his influence, he went into ministry. And now I assume, because of your father’s influence, now you are involved in ministry,

Jonathan Shibley (01:30):
Kinda crazy. Maybe some people can relate to this, but growing up, I never thought I would be doing what I’m doing today. Now I loved and honored my dad and all the work that he was doing, but I never actually had a chance to travel with him overseas to see what he was doing with global Vance until after college. And so growing up, I had a huge heart for the Lord. I did feel a call to ministry, but I also thought, you know, I may go into business as well. I had an interest in it. I actually majored in business at Baylor university. And so I kind of had a little bit of an internal tug of war going on and it wasn’t till 1998. So I was out of college in my early twenties that I went to the nation of Congo, democratic Republic of Congo, which, you know, very war torn nation, went with dad, solid global dancers, doing actually firsthand and saw all these pastors that had come from all over the nation and how God was just digging deep into their hearts. And I could, you could just tell it on their face, the impact that it was having. And I knew that on that trip, God was speaking to Mesa and Jonathan, this is what I want you to do. And I want you to help take this organization to another level. And before that time, we had never even discussed the idea of me working alongside my dad. If something he founded, I wanted to blaze my own trail. And so, but I yielded to the Lord and there’s been no looking back since then. So how ago was

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:00):
That trip that you went to college?

Jonathan Shibley (03:01):
So that was 1998. We actually took two years before I actually officially came on staff just to make sure that this was God. I was always really a little bit hesitant about people’s perceptions of nepotism. You know, like I said, I wanted to blaze my own trail, but it was clear that God was calling me here. So I came on in 2000 year, 2000. So now I’m in my 21st year serving here and it’s been, it’s been amazing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:28):
And it was about 10 years ago that your, your father took a step back and you took a step forward and your father really hasn’t slowed down. He continues to minister and is still passionate, but it seems like now you get to do all the work and he does all the funds.

Jonathan Shibley (03:45):
Oh yeah. You know, it’s been in may, we’ve had an incredible relationship, both father, son, and a working relationship, but it was in the early two thousands. When I, about two years in, when I was here, God began to give my, give me a vision that was unique to me, that fit within the overall vision of Global Advance. And that was to raise up an army of kingdom minded marketplace leaders all over the world, especially in the developing world. And very few people were doing that in missions back then. And so that began to kinda get, give my own distinctive a little bit. It complemented our work with equipping pastoral leaders in developing nations. And God has just done unbelievable things. It’s opened incredible doors since then.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:30):
So tell me some of what Global Advance is doing. I know you work in many different countries. What are you doing in those countries?

Jonathan Shibley (04:39):
Yeah, so we believe our, our tagline. We say we ignite change makers worldwide. We believe that God has strategically positioned, amazing, capable leaders on the ground and very hard areas of the world. Some of the darkest spiritual areas of the world, some of the hardest economic areas of the world. So we believe that our calling is a junior partner to come alongside leaders. And God’s came to them that have a vision to move the needle forward, to advance the gospel and their nations to do kingdom work and those nations. And so we come alongside them. We help them fulfill the great commission as a junior partner. And we’re learning a lot. We’ve been doing this for 30 years. So a lot of that looks like training events resources in their language. But now we’re going beyond that. We’re starting kingdom business networks around the world that are focused on not only alleviating poverty, but also it’s a way is which something very close to your heart, evangelizing a bank, salt and light they’re in the community.

Jonathan Shibley (05:43):
They’re already integrated into the fabric of culture and society. We’ve got, we want to see kingdom business, raise that around the world, that create jobs that are able to fund the work of the kingdom around the world. Wouldn’t it be great that one and Africa, it’s the African businessmen and women who are funding your crusades. I say amen to that. They’re African businessman and woman who are putting the roof on the church that are helping to bring in the orphans. And that’s beginning to happen. We’re beginning to see that on a global scene. And if you think about a missions force in the world or an evangelistic force in the world, there may be around half a million full-time missionaries right now globally, but there’s probably hundreds of millions of believers that are in the marketplace every day around the world. And as we see globalization happen, it’s an incredible open door for the kingdom through the marketplace.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:41):
Yeah. Years ago, God spoke to me and says, Daniel, that the mission field will become a mission force. So those places that America used to view as a mission field, now we’ll raise up a mighty missions force. That will

Jonathan Shibley (06:56):
No doubt. And we’re saying that, I mean, we’re working with guys for instance, in Pakistan who take the gospel into Afghanistan or guys in Tajikistan that could go into other nations like Iran or from Russia to Zika San it. So it’s all this stuff. It’s creative. It’s kind of a fun season that we’re in. There’s all types of strategy that God is using. I don’t think there’s one size fits all strategy for missions in the great commission. It’s interesting. Jesus never really gave us the total blueprint. He just, he gave us the big picture. Right. But here it is, I’d go. Yeah. He didn’t tell us exactly how to do it. And I think that’s part of, you know, he gifts the body of Christ, right? With creativity, with talent, all of us have different abilities. And that’s part of the spirit of God at work around the world.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:46):
So tell me some of the different strategies you’re using to reach people.

Jonathan Shibley (07:50):
So we, we equip leaders that are on the ground. So we work with church planters, pastors and church planners that are taking the gospel to unreached or least reached regions of the world. One of the strategies that came about was, and it really wasn’t our idea, but one of the guys in Pakistan that we work with, he identified a lot of unreached villages, a lot of tribal villages there and Pakistan and sin province. And so he said, look, they don’t have clean water. Now we didn’t typically do water projects, but we said, you know what? We believe in the vision that God’s given you. So we’re going to get behind you. We’re going to start to drill water Wells. Well, that opened the door for the gospel. Now, all of a sudden three fast forward, three years later, there’s new Christ followers. Now there there’s been 11 churches planted as a result of this. And it’s all by just meeting needs on the ground. And now we’ve got a business network in the large city of Karachi of guys who are committed to help fund kingdom work and the villages. Wow, that’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:56):
Tremendous. And you, you often do marketplace ministry. Talk to me about that. What does that look like?

Jonathan Shibley (09:02):
I say that they’re the sleeping giant in missions that kingdom entrepreneurs around the world. A lot of times they’re underdogs. I mean, you think about it in developing countries, especially the corruption is such a massive, massive issue. So we have mobilized hundreds of Christian CEOs and business leaders from the West that have gone all over the world to pour into business skills, training and kingdom, biblically based worldview for business and entrepreneurship and to thousands of entrepreneurs and business leaders throughout the developing nations. So we’ve been doing this for a long time now for about 18 years. Well, what has happened now is God has just blown that thing up. And so we’re, we, we have a vision over this next decade to start 100 kingdom business networks around the world. And those K we call it a KBN he’s KBN’s will do all types of things, community outreach programs, helping support local churches go into the end, reached meeting needs there and their local cities and regions. So it’s an awesome, awesome thing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:05):
That’s awesome. Now I noticed that right now you have a matching gift challenge of up to half a million dollars. And so if someone wanted to donate to global advanced and they wanted to go to your website to do that, how would they find your website

Jonathan Shibley (10:19):
Global advanced.org? And there’s a way simple ways that you can give, but we’re, we’re grateful that the Lord has provided that opportunity and you know, to him be all the glory.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:30):
What are some of the future projects and visions that you have for global events?

Jonathan Shibley (10:35):
Well, we see Global Advance we’re we’re working right now and 35 nations. And some of these are the hardest, most persecuted nations on earth for believers in Jesus. We see that work continue to expand where it now we are creating nation teams where there’s a lot of collaboration going on. So we don’t work with just only one person or one ministry. We’re actually work with teams that represent different regions of a nation, and they come up with a strategy to effectively advance the gospel together. And those are the types of projects that we get behind as an organization.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:11):
That’s tremendous. Well, Jonathan, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me.

Jonathan Shibley (11:18):
Hey man, thank you for the work you’re doing. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (11:22):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

Adam Culp | Missionary to Nepal

Adam and Julie Culp took their five kids and went to the nation of Nepal as missionaries. In today’s program, Adam talks about the challenges and rewards of taking your family to the mission field. He has also done missions work in India and Myanmar. Listen to his stories about what God is doing on the other side of the world.

About Adam Culp: 

Adam Culp was saved and baptized in the Holy Spirit at five years of age. He first knew that he would minister worldwide when he was ten years old. God called him in a vision and prophesied to him that he would help bring “hope and healing to every nation through their children and youth”. Since that day, young people and issues concerning them have been his consuming passion. Adam graduated from Oral Roberts University in 2000 with a degree in International Community Development and from Rhema Bible Training College in 2001 with a specialization in Youth Ministry. He is now an ordained minister through Rhema Bible Church and Kingsway Fellowship International. He has been a full-time minister, along with his wife Julie, since 2002. He first started ministering in India and Asia in 1992. Adam has been an instructor in many seminaries and bible colleges, a youth and assistant pastor at Jubilee Christian Center in Tulsa, and a professional project manager. He is currently the International Director of Leadership & Ministry Training Center – Nepal and Harvest Bible College – Myanmar.

Questions: 

Hear the story of how Adam and his wife decided to go to the mission field right before they found out she was pregnant.

What is it like raising your children on the mission field?

What is going to happen in the body of Christ in America in 2021?

Key Quotes:

Sometimes you have to go through a closed door with faith and trust that God will open the door.

The Greek word “ekballo” ἐκβάλλω means “to cast out.” It is the word used when Jesus commands his disciples to “cast out” demons. But the word is also used in Mathew 10 when Jesus said, “Pray that the Lord of the Harvest would “send out”  laborers into the field.” The word translated as “send out” could be translated as “cast out” or “violently throw out”.

Website: https://www.fhgttn.org/

Interested in Evangelism? Listen to the Evangelism Coach, Daniel King on the Evangelism Podcast.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Adam. And Julie cult took their five kids and went to the nation of Nepal as missionaries in today’s program. Adam talks about the challenges and rewards of taking your family to the mission field. He’s also done missions work in India and in Myanmar listened to his stories about what God is doing on the other side of the world.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:26):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:04):
Podcast. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And today I have a very special guest with me. Adam Colt has been a missionary for more than a decade. He spent 10 years living in India. Then he took his entire family five children to the nation of Nepal. And so he has been on the front lines of what God is doing in the 10 40 window. Some of the greatest on reach nations on earth. Adam, thank you so much for being with us today. Pleasure. I’m really happy to be here. So Adam, tell me a little bit about how you got called into the ministry. Well

Adam Culp (01:46):
When I was a kid, I would always listen to stories from my grandparents. They were missionaries in what was then Belgian Congo became Zaire. I always thought that those were like the most exciting stories and probably the most exciting thing you could do with your life. But I really didn’t know if I was called until I was 10 years old. I was in a revival service at our assembly of God church. And the evangelists gave a word and said, if there’s anyone here who wants to know what the call of God on their life is, come to the front. I believe God’s going to tell you and being 10 and having complete faith that what the evangelist said would happen. I went to the front and I had a vision. And then this vision, I saw myself preaching in a country.

Adam Culp (02:34):
It looked like it was India. And all the adults had on blinders and ear muffs. So they couldn’t see or hear anything I was saying. And I remember in the vision that I was very discouraged, but then I looked down at the front of the platform that I was preaching from. And I saw these children playing with the lamb, no blinders, no earmuffs. And they’re laughing and singing and dancing this lamb and completely full of joy. And the vision ended and I stood up and the evangelists pointed at me from the stage and said, son, God’s called you to bring hope and healing to every nation through their children and youth. So I had this vision I had a confirmation from that, a, a prophetic confirmation from that evangelist, like right after the vision took place, I knew it was from God. So from that moment on, I set my face like a Flint towards accomplishing, you know, that that vision that God gave me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:32):
So then you, you went to, to, Oral Roberts University. Yep. And tell me, how did you, you meet your wife, Julie?

Adam Culp (03:40):
Huh? That’s a good story. Well, I had never been West of the Mississippi river. I grew up in Michigan and God called me to ORU. I had scholarships to other universities, but I think it might’ve been run loose. I don’t remember who was preaching, but I went to a youth conference that totally messed up my life and this youth conference I think it was Ron Luce, but I can’t say a hundred percent. He said that you’ve probably been told that God calls like leads people through open and closed doors. And he said, that’s not correct. He said, if you look in the Bible, you see time and time again, women of men and women of faith who got a word from the Lord for a door that looked like it was closed. And when they went towards that door and faith that opened and his altar call was, I want you to come to the y’all to the altar.

Adam Culp (04:35):
And I want you to take everything you think, you know about your life and lay it at the foot of the cross and let the Holy spirit give you his plan. So I did that that night. Within a week I was broken up with my girlfriend at the time in high school. And I had also decided that I wasn’t going to go and take the scholarships at the universities that I had gotten. But I took a day, three days to fast and pray for three days. All I heard was Oklahoma. And so as I was praying and researching, I found out, you know, the, the, what the Lord was leading me to was oral Roberts university. So I packed up all my stuff. I came here while I was in registration line I was standing behind this girl and for four hours and back then, I don’t know how it is today, but like, you’d stand four hours in one line to get a piece of paper to take it and hand it into another line. So for four hours, I talked to her and she’s my wife today.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:40):
Well, that is a good line to stand in for hours is what it took. That’s wonderful. And so what I really like about you is that you took your entire family to the mission field. And so I was a missionary kid when I was growing up. Parents were missionaries in Ciudad Juarez right across the border from El Paso, Texas. And so I grew up as a, as a child and then as a teenager working right alongside my parents. And I’m a big believer that God does not just call individuals, he calls entire families. And so tell me, what was that like taking first year wife, and then you start having kids you’re your whole family to the mission field?

Adam Culp (06:22):
Well we faced a lot of persecution over at first persecution from who well from people that knew us because when we were preparing to move to India for the first time, full-time I had a really good job and we had kind of purchased everything that we dreamed of having, we had a small farm in Quita and we had, I had my sport motorcycle and all these things, and we were finishing up our our education at Raymond Bible training college. And we’d gotten really comfortable, but this fire permissions kept burning on the inside of us. Financially we felt like we were reaching every milestone that we had set or that we desired, but there was one thing that we didn’t have that we desired more than anything that was that my wife and I had gone almost seven years with no children.

Adam Culp (07:23):
And we were praying for a child and years were going by and a child wasn’t coming. So there was a miss, there was a pastor from India who came over. I met him for 15 minutes. He asked me to be assistant director at his Bible college in Northeast India. So my wife and I went out and prayed and we felt like we had peace. So we said, we’re going to come. And two weeks later we found out she was pregnant with our first child. As we were preparing to go to the mission field we didn’t get there until she was seven and a half months pregnant. Wow. So selling off everything taking what looked like security for our family and for our friends and they were looking at the secure life we had and in their eyes, we were just throwing it all away. So when we sold everything, when she went to India with me full time and she was pregnant with our first child and we’re going to meet a pastor that we had talked to for 15 minutes, it looked pretty crazy. Wow. And so tell me

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:36):
Some of what God did in your ministry during that time in India.

Adam Culp (08:43):
Well the Bible college that we were working with was getting ready to close God moved to bring partnership and finances. And he anointed me to my right, my first college level curriculum. I had never written a curriculum in Mali, in my Y in my life. But then I wrote to renewing the mind in two and a half weeks as we got ready to start. So the school is still going today. And then he put it on our heart to start an orphanage, which we did in South India. We started with 10 kids in a one-room church building. It grew to over 50 kids and we saw God provide land. And like over 20 acres of rice Patty to provide for the orphanage God put it on my heart to start a 40 day pioneering school because as I would go around evangelizing we had I think it was around 300 villages where in our altar calls, we’d had more than 50 salvations and years were going by.

Adam Culp (09:53):
And there was no pastors going to pastor those flocks. And one day I is, I was teaching a different seminaries around India. I’d always give the call. If you feel called to an unreached village, I know a village where you can, there’s a, there’s a flock ready to be pastored, and I could never get anybody to go. So one day I was praying and I was saying, Lord, I feel like that fruit is you know, how, if you have an Apple tree the fruit that’s really ripe will fall to the ground. If you don’t pick up that fruit, that’s on the ground it’s going to get trampled or worms are going to eat it. So the most vulnerable fruit is the ripest fruit. And I said, Lord, this is the ripest fruit in each of those villages. Like those are the first people who came in.

Adam Culp (10:42):
We didn’t have to shake that tree. They, you know, fell from the tree and if we don’t get someone to pastor them soon, I feel like we’re going to lose them. And that’s when the Lord spoke to me. And he said, if you can’t find the qualified, just take the willing and obedient. So he put out a call to if you feel called to start a church and unreached village, we’ll train you. And we got a one room church building and we trained them for 40 days. Our first batch of students was 15 half of them couldn’t read and write. Most of them worked in Patty fields were Rick Shaw polars, but every single one of them started a church. And over the 40 day pioneering school is we’re doing it in different sessions. Over 150 pastors were trained all, but one of them started a church in unreached village. The youngest was 15, the oldest was 76. So that was probably

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:34):
Amazing fruit. That was awesome. Wow. And so now you don’t have just one child, you have five kids and all of them have been on the mission field with you. What, what has that been like raising your kids on the mission field? Well

Adam Culp (11:52):
It can be difficult, especially when you have kids who feel like they’re pulled between two different cultures. It can also be difficult in that. A lot of missions kids end up leaving the church. I mean, I was born to a mission kid. He professed to be an atheist for a long time. And I’ve met a lot of mission kids over the year, over the years. And a lot of them fell away from the Lord. So to raise kids on the mission field, you have to be very intentional about making sure that you minister to your family, that you in part the vision, not just to the people you work with, but to the people you live with. And to make sure that you pastor your family, just as much as you pastor the flock that’s outside your home

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:46):
And are your children involved in the ministry with you?

Adam Culp (12:50):
Well, we had a season where we were not on the field full time. It was 10 years long because our middle child while we were in India and all these awesome things were happening our third child was finally born. And when he was born, he had major birth defects. His eyes didn’t fully develop. He didn’t have a soft spot in his skull. He had his features were a little disfigured and he had a hole in his spine. It looked like he had spinal bifida. So we ended up medically evacuating and moving back to the States. For 10 years I worked a month in Tulsa and then I would go overseas and do missions work for a month. And one thing I did to try and keep my family connected with our family vision was every time I would go on a trip, I’d take one of my kids with me. And if you talk to my teenagers, they’ll probably tell you that those were life changing for them. That one side they were there and they were on the front lines of ministry that it kind of changed their heart.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:04):
Tell me about the ministry that you you’ve done in the nation of Nepal. My wife, Jessica actually lived in Nepal for a six month period. And at the time that she lived there, it was a very closed nation, very difficult to minister. They actually prided themselves on being a Hindu kingdom and so very difficult. And, and the capital of Nepal was very cold where she, when she lived there still is still is. And so, so tell me what w what was it like doing ministry there in Nepal? What did you do?

Adam Culp (14:39):
Well, I would say that it’s, it was extremely exciting. Up until recently, Nepal had the fastest growing church in the world. I was recently surpassed by Iran. I think Iran has the fastest church growing church now, but you had all these people who got saved very quickly. All these people in ministry. A lot of them didn’t have much training. So as someone who does a lot of ministry training works a lot with Bible colleges, equipping people for the ministry. It was really exciting for me. The students that I had, I had I was teaching in a seminary there, the oldest one in the country. And one I had about 70 students. I’ve taught in seminaries all over the world. And in India, when I would teach in seminary and ask people, you know, how many of you are, are were born into a Christian family?

Adam Culp (15:40):
A lot of hands would go up because a lot of the people that are in Bible college or seminary are pastors kids. I asked this to my students in Nepal about 70, and I said, how many of you were born into a Christian family? And four hands out of 70 went up. And I was thinking, wow, this is very different than, you know, I’ve, I’ve ministered, what are considered unreached areas, but still the people you’re working with are fairly churched. But in Nepal, it’s different. So then I asked another question. I said, how many of you are the only believer in your family? And over 60 hands went up?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:20):
Well, so many of them are first-generation Christians. They have no foundation in the Christian faith. So you’re starting much more basic.

Adam Culp (16:29):
Exactly. But it also is a wonderful opportunity because you can put a very good foundation. You don’t have to deal with a lot of false beliefs or things that are unbiblical that creep in. So you’re really laying the foundation, you know, kind of like Paul was talking about how he didn’t want to build on another foundation. Nepal, Nepal is a great place to build your own foundation of Christ in someone’s life.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:57):
Yeah, a few years ago, we, we did a large evangelistic festival in Nepal, had a wonderful time. We’re able to, to build a church that is still there. That’s awesome in that place where we did the festival and saw a lot of Hindus that heard about Jesus, a lot of Buddhists. And we had a lot of a demon possessed people cast the demons out. It was a very beautiful people, absolutely wonderful beautiful people. And so I’m really excited about what God is doing there and the nation of Nepal. And then you’re also working in, in Myanmar as well. W what are you doing in Myanmar?

Adam Culp (17:41):
Well we’re partnered with the orphanage there and we also help start a Bible college outside of, so yeah,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:51):
Come back here to the United States during COVID, because it’s very difficult to do, to do ministry when you’re stuck, locked up in your house. And so I know a lot of missionaries that have come back to the United States during this time, because they’re able to accomplish as much on zoom as they would be just, just living there. So tell me what, what comes next? What, what do you think is going to come next for you for your ministry and family?

Adam Culp (18:19):
A really good question. Like you said, during the lockdown, in, in Nepal, it was difficult to minister, but I took that four months that we were in our house. And just to give you an idea of what our house was like in Nepal they don’t build wide, they build tall, so you would have a bedroom on each floor and then a hallway, a stairwell. And if I put one arm out this way and the other arm out that way I couldn’t stretch them out fully before I would touch my neighbor’s house. And my house so tells you how small our yard was. And we got really stir, crazy being locked up in our house for four months, but I took that time to pray and ask God about the next season. And for four months he just kept talking to me about the United States and about this next season that we’re going into. And speaking to me about what, why even this whole COVID thing was allowed and, and what God’s plan is through it. So when we came back, I feel like I really have a message for America right now. And the big thing, if I had to put it in one word of what God’s doing in America right now is the Greek word Kabbalah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:42):
So explain to our listeners, what does the word egg Caballo mean?

Adam Culp (19:47):
Well, at Caballo BOLO, little Bible teaching Balo means to throw or to cast. It’s easy to remember because you throw a ball

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:56):
And act means out. So EQ Balo means to cast out, like to cast out demons. Yes.

Adam Culp (20:02):
So if you borrow something, you throw it. If you ever, Caballo something, you throw it violently with all of your energy. And we see that a Kabbalah is used for casting out demons. The man who was in the marriage supper, but wasn’t clothed correctly, he was echoed hollowed out. But then when Jesus went around preaching and teaching and healing, and after doing everything he physically could do in ministry and just pouring himself out completely he looked and he said, it says that he looked upon the people and they were like sheep without a shepherd. And so Jesus, you know, I can just him, after putting in everything he had in ministry, there was, it still was not enough because there were still were lost people that he couldn’t reach. He said, pray to the Lord of the harvest, to EC BOLO workers and to the harvest

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:05):
And to cast out workers to, to, to cast out or violently throw out workers into the harvest field. Correct. Wow. That is a unique insight. I, I didn’t know that that Greek word was the word that’s used there,

Adam Culp (21:17):
That’s the Greek word that’s used there. And the amazing thing is for us, we, we listen to that and we’re like pray for the Lord to send workers into the harvest. And it seems very like gentle. And, but the way that Jesus prayed that prayer and the, and the heart cry that he prayed it from was not gentle. It was almost violent. And if God would take his beloved ministers and workers and children and violently cast them out into something that tells you a little bit about the urgency of what he’s casting them out to do.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:55):
Wow. So you’re, you’re praying that God would violently throw out laborers into the harvest fields here in America.

Adam Culp (22:06):
That’s why the things that are happening in our country and in the world right now are happening. And I can give you a new Testament example of it, give it to me. Okay. So in the first seven, six, seven chapters of acts, yeah. How many people were murdered?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:23):
Tell me zero. Okay. Then you have Steven and the seventh, correct? End of the seventh chapter. So before Steven,

Adam Culp (22:31):
Yeah, no martyrs before Steven everybody’s needs are met. It said that there was no one who lacked anything in the church before Steven, they, even when they get arrested, they can’t keep him in prison. They are living graced like amazing grace, amazing. It’s like they, they are untouchable. Even the people that are, their enemies are afraid of them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:57):
And then Steven gets martyred and then people start getting persecuted the assault.

Adam Culp (23:04):
Yes. So it says Saul entered every home in Jerusalem and arrested people. Every Christian home had a family member who’s in prison. And it says that those who escaped. And if you imagine like the police are coming to every Christian home and this citywide raid and the people that climb out the window, or, you know, right away with just the clothes on their backs are the only Christians who are not in prison. That, and the 12 disciples, they weren’t imprisoned, but every like family and the church, someone, or even the majority of their family was in imprisoned and being in a Roman prison. You’re going to be sold into slavery, horrible conditions, Coliseum, you know, all kinds of things. It says that those who escaped went everywhere, preaching the gospel. And then we start to see entire cities being saved,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:04):
Acts chapter eight, Philip, the evangelists goes down to some area, preaches the gospel and people are, are saved. They’re baptized, correct. Peter and John come, they’re filled with the Holy spirit

Adam Culp (24:16):
Signs and wonders, but it, it changed because in the, in the first six chapters, we see a possible centered ministry. And when you see the Kabbalah wing or the casting out of the church from Jerusalem, you start to see people like Phillip who were not the 12 apostles. You start to see the ekklesia or, you know, the entire body being mobilized into ministry.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:48):
I’ve always found it. Interesting acts one eight says you shall receive power after the Holy spirit comes upon you, and you should be witnesses unto me in Jerusalem, Judea Sumeria, and to the outermost ends of the earth. And so the first seven chapters of acts is all in Jerusalem and Judea. And so acts one eight says you’re going to go to Samaria and to the uttermost ends of the earth, but you don’t get there until acts chapter eight, verse one, where the they’re scattered because of this persecution, they go preaching everywhere. And it’s in acts chapter eight that we see Samarria being reached by Philip. And then Ethiopia being reached by the Ethiopian UNIC, that Philip is able, which for them, that was the, the uttermost ends of the earth for their day. I mean, that was as far as they could think of as Ethiopia is so far away.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:41):
And so they, so it took that time of persecution for that prophecy that Jesus gave to, to really start to be fulfilled. So, so the church here in America is being persecuted in many ways in California, churches are not allowed to meet and some churches are anyways, but some churches have completely stopped meeting. And other States have some, some have freedoms, some, some don’t, but there does seem to be a lot of verbal persecution of Christians in America. So far we haven’t seen people being killed, but you, you think that that more persecution is coming before we

Adam Culp (26:23):
We’re getting a lot more intense. Wow. And we have a youth group that we partnered with in Nepal. There, you know, how churches will have prayer for bringing in the new year. We have a youth leader named Paul who had a prophetic word for 2020, which he said, brother, Adam, I feel like the Lord’s telling me that 2020 is going to be like the sifting for Gideon’s 300. Mm. And if you look at what God used to sift out, the 300, you started with 30,000. And then everyone who was afraid was told to go home. And I feel is like in that four months of lockdown from March to July I felt like the Lord was telling me that all of this fear is the first sifting and everyone who’s afraid. And they say, you know what?

Adam Culp (27:21):
I don’t want to be persecuted. I don’t want to take this hard path. I don’t want to pay the cost that it looks like it’s going to cost me to do what God’s called me to do. God’s saying, if you’re afraid, if you want to quit, go home. And that’s the decision so many people are in right now. And 2021 is I believe is going to be the second sifting. If you look at the second sifting, Gideon took his men on military exercises. It doesn’t say this explicitly, but we know from if you’ve ever been in the military, you know, someone who has, when you go on a March in the military, you’re carrying your equipment, your hot they were in a you’re tired. They were in, in Israel, which is a pretty air-dry place. So you can imagine they’re hot, they’re dusty, they’re dirty, they’ve got grit and you know, their color.

Adam Culp (28:16):
They’re hungry, they’re tired. They come to a stream. Gideon says Addie’s. And I believe that we are going to have a season. That’s going to say Addie’s where it looks like everything that we’ve gone through finished, we’ve got a reprieve. And it says that the soldiers went down and the Lord said to Gideon to look and see how they responded to this season of ease, where they were able to take off their equipment, where they were able to wash their face and wash their neck and drink. And it says that all of them went down and just put their face in the water. They’re splashing water over their head. They’re washing their face, their neck. They’re totally focused on on rolling that hunger that fleshed need. Cause our flesh has been such trouble getting comfortable again, after a time of discomfort, but 300 with their spirit, their sword in their hand, we’re still alert like a soldier, bringing the water up to their mouth. And that second sifting, which I believe is going to be taking place after this new year is going to see if people return back to where they were before we went through all this. And those who returned back to the way they were and life is normal. And they don’t learn any lessons from this are not going to be a part of the 300,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:44):
But there will be a remnant. There will be a remnant that will, that will continue to fight for God, continued to evangelize, continue to be bold and sharing their faith. Even in the midst of difficult times, times of persecution, it will stay on watch. And I believe we will see a time of revival in America. Again, we’re, we’re where thousands and thousands of people will turn towards God. Amen. Another great awakening. That’s what I’ve been praying for asking God, God send our nation a a great awakening. And I I’ve been very concerned about America too. In the beginning of this year, I’m going to launch a brand new book called proof. God is real. And it’s a book I wrote specifically to attack the atheistic mindset that you often find on YouTube and on Twitter. Many atheists on both those platforms are very aggressively coming against Christianity, mad at Christianity. And so, so I wrote this book proof. God is real in order to attack that atheistic mindset, that that has attacked our nation, because I do think that God wants America to turn back towards him. Yup. You know, America for many years has sent missionaries out all over the world. Yeah. And now it’s time for America to have missionaries. I mean, we need people, we,

Adam Culp (31:10):
Or missionaries coming into America now than we’re sending out by a large number

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (31:15):
W which is exciting. We need it here in America. Well, I’m so glad that you have dedicated your life to serving God and really sacrificed in your whole family sacrifice, being in different parts of the world. For, for those who are listening, if they wanted to, to support your, your ministry and find out more about you, what’s your website?

Adam Culp (31:39):
Well, the name of our ministry is for his glory to the nations.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (31:57):
Well, I’d encourage you to, to go to Adam’s website, find out more about their ministry and thank you, Adam so much for being on the podcast.

Adam Culp (32:06):
Thank you. I had a great time and God bless all. Everyone who’s listening and watching

Evangelism Podcast Host (32:11):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches, visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

Michael Lusk | On the Vanguard of Missions

Michael and Christina Lusk train evangelists in the developing world and give them sound systems to help them amplify their voices. Today Michael shares how some evangelists are like massive container ships and how some evangelists are like tiny canoes. Are both types of evangelists needed? We find out on today’s podcast.

Website: https://www.vanguardevangelism.com/

If you are excited about evangelism listen to the Evangelism Podcast, with Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach.

Transcription:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Michael and Christina Lusk train evangelists in the developing world and give them sound systems to help them amplify their voices today. Michael shares how some evangelists are like massive container ships and how some evangelists are like tiny canoes are both types of evangelists needed. We find out on today’s podcast,

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:26):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:02):
The evangelism podcast. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus and I’m joined today with a very special guest. Michael and Christina Lusk have been close friends of ours, and we really admire their passion for Jesus and their heart for evangelism brother, Michael, thank you so much for joining us today.

Michael Lusk (01:22):
Well, thank you for the opportunity. I really am glad to be here and looking forward to our conversation.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:27):
So your ministry is very innovative. You are taking sound systems and giving them to evangelists in different parts of the world and also training them what to say, how to preach the gospel. Tell me a little bit about what you’ve been doing

Michael Lusk (01:48):
Well just to give you a little bit of background, and I know you probably know some of this, but for those that will be hearing we founded our ministry about 15 years ago and we started in Argentina in South America and always with the passion to share the gospel, just a simple focus on the message of the gospel. And so as we began to do that initially in Argentina and then in other nations around the world, we began to discover that there were national evangelists in those nations that really had a desire to fulfill their call as an evangelist, but maybe had never had any type of training, very few resources and often a sense of being disconnected. They didn’t feel like they had a network of other people that really understood what they were doing and, and got in there with them. And so as we began to meet these individuals, the Lord began to put a burden in my heart to help them the frontline of Angeles. And so that’s kind of where the name of our ministry came from Vanguard evangelism, Vanguard being the frontline of an advance, a frontline of a force. And so we began to help these evangelists in different ways. And one of the primary ways that we do that, and that’s certainly not the only one, but the primary one that we’re kind of known for is providing portable sound systems to these evangelists.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:06):
Now, I remember I first met you at a TL Osborn crusade in Costa Rica. And I remember that Dr. Osborne really liked you because you played violin and he played a little bit of violin. So he said, Oh, we have an evangelist here from Argentina, come up here and play some violin for us. And, and tell me what type of influence did TL Osborn have on your ministry?

Michael Lusk (03:36):
It’d be impossible to measure. I really became familiar with his ministry long distance through his books. And I think that’s a story. A lot of people share with brother Osbourne. He was a very prolific writer, very good writer, and his books are translated in over a hundred languages and they would ship them out literally by the ton daily, all over the world. And so his books are all over the globe and and that was the case for me. I found a copy of his book. It was a small book, not even one of his major books. It was called you are God’s best. And it was on my aunt’s bookshelf. And I just was poking through her books. One day I was about 11 or 12 years old and found this book. And of course, if you’re familiar with Dr Osborne’s books, they have an inset generally with some black and white pictures of their big crusades, big open air evangelism events around the world.

Michael Lusk (04:29):
And I saw those pictures and I saw for the first time that I can remember somebody that was doing what God had been putting in my heart to do. I didn’t know that anybody did that. And so there an immediate connection, this affinity. And so we began after my wife and I married, we began to support Dr. Osborne’s ministry. And then right about the time I met you in Costa Rica, just prior to that I met him at an event in Des Moines, Iowa miracle life conferences, a week long event. And it was like he was talking straight to us. We were already in Argentina at that time. And so we’re just freshly started new missionaries. And it was like he was answering the questions that we had about miracles, about evangelism, how to do the ministry of Jesus. And so through that, then the invitation to Costa Rica, where we met you and we’ve been friends with you ever since. And so, yeah, his, his connection was a heart connection, right? From the beginning, he was a mentor for us and a privileged to have known him. He’s he’s in his reward now. But still very connected to the ministry through his daughter, Dr. Ladonna, I was born that continues to lead and I’m on the board of directors there and also the global events director for houseware ministries. And one of the other hats that I wear.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:50):
Yeah. I remember some of those pictures in T.L. Osborne’s books where he would line up preachers from different countries and next to them would be this big Bullhorn with a sound system and a microphone, and he would send them out, preaching the gospel. And you’re essentially doing the same thing. Now, how many sound systems have you planted into the world now?

Michael Lusk (06:17):
So far we’ve done over 400. So we’ve been able to train right around 800 specifically evangelists, you know, in addition to believers, but just speaking strictly of evangelists close to 800 that we’ve trained in face-to-face meetings. And then through that primarily that’s the main method we use. We, we supply these sound systems and over 400 now, in fact, just before I got in here to record talking with our director over in French Africa, and we’re getting a shipment of another 60 or so units. And so it’s just really taken on a life of its own. I mean, when it first started it was just one evangelists and Honduras central America that is a great friend of our ministry. In fact, he’s our director in Latin America now Elvin Serna just saw how he was going up into these village places, mountain villages and Honduras and planning churches and going, you know, sometimes on a dirt bike or even on foot or on mule back to take the gospel to these villages. And I thought, you know, we’ve got to help people like that. Somehow, if we could just give to him, you know, maybe what would be an insurmountable at that time, a huge financial undertaking to get a portable sound system, but we could just give that tool and it would instantly multiply the impact of his ministry, the, the reach of his ministry. And so we, we think of ourselves as multiplying, amplifying the voice of Jesus in the earth.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:50):
So, on average, what does it cost to put one of those sound systems in the hands of an indigenous evangelists? Yeah, the price varies

Michael Lusk (08:01):
Is of course different countries, but basically anywhere in the world for about $250, we can put a system in the hands of a national preacher man, woman out there plant planting churches. And it just, you know, one testimony I like to share with people from an Indian evangelists that were able to sponsor. He said, before I had that sound system, I could go and preach in the village. And a few households around a few families would be able to hear my voice. And he said, now with that sound system I can preach and the people and the other village can hear me. And so it just ultimately, you know, how many times we don’t know, but you think that evangelist he’s going to be out there. She’s going to be out there preaching anyway. And so you’re really just taking someone that’s already proven themselves. They’re already making an impact. They’re already producing fruit and you’re just instantly for a small amount of money greatly amplifying their reach, greatly multiplying their impact. And so it just, it makes sense to do it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:03):
And so you’re also coaching these evangelists and, and training them. How do you go about doing that? What’s the process? Well, we, we initially

Michael Lusk (09:13):
I start by w I really believe in as we’re able to do in-person events and obviously this year with COVID-19, that’s been an unusual situation for everybody, but generally speaking, we like to have that initial connection be in person. And so we do, face-to-face in person training. That’ll last about three days. And where we, where we do that is when we go into a city and one of the nations of the world to do a big open air miracle festival evangelism festival. Those are typically in the evening. And so in the daytime, the morning of those days, we will train evangelists. And so we do morning sessions, and then that kind of culminates in the distribution of these portable sound systems. And so it’s kind of a real powerful dynamic that happens. These evangelists will travel in sometimes even from neighboring countries, they’ll come to receive that training formerly be part of the, kind of the real organic relationship-based Vanguard community of evangelists.

Michael Lusk (10:16):
And then through that, you know, they’re getting that training. They’re able to go out in the afternoons with other evangelists that maybe they’re getting to meet for the first time, share the gospel, invite people to the evening event, and then participate in that evening service as well. So all together, it’s just a total saturation in their calling relationships that are being forged. I mean, there’s no better way to build relationships in evangelism than by doing evangelism. And so we’re a testimony to that. We’re still here today after you know, 15, 20 years. So that’s okay.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:52):
Powerful dynamic. And then continuing, you know,

Michael Lusk (10:56):
Well, obviously we, we come back to the United States where we’re based and go to other nations, but we are building of touch points if you will, to keep that community going. So some of the ways that are developing, and this is all very much in a growing process, you know these evangelists that meet one another, a lot of times they’re seeing their foreman kind of chapters, if you will, local groups of evangelists that they can actually be face-to-face, we’re providing opportunities through zoom and other technology to allow these evangelists to connect long distance and receive further training. We’ve got a Facebook group that they can be part of shared their testimonies and also see what’s going on with their, their colleagues around the world. So we’re working with a lot of different tools to really build us an continuing sense of community.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:49):
So of these approximately 800 evangelists that, that you’ve have you been able to keep track of how many people they’ve been able to impact?

Michael Lusk (11:59):
We don’t have real hard numbers. It’s, it’d be very difficult to do that, but we, we get enough of these snapshots to know that it’s a very significant impact. And just the, the thing that strikes me over and over again is just the sense of gratitude, you know, for for an evangelist, maybe in the developed world in the West, maybe, you know, a $250 sound system, it’d be something they’d be grateful for, but it maybe wouldn’t be the world shaking event that it is in the life of these frontline evangelists in the developing world. But the sense of gratitude, I mean, these evangelists, they just can’t hardly believe that somebody even notices them, that someone cares about them believes in them, wants to you know, propel them in their ministry. And really when I go as an evangelist my goal is that when I leave that place, that they’re not thinking, wow, what a great ministry, Michael Las Kaz, but really that they would say, wow, I’ve discovered what a great ministry I have with my people, the place I’m working. And so, you know, they, they don’t need passports. They’re already in country. They know the culture, they know the languages of these areas, they know the needs, and they’re able to work in a very sophisticated way, a very nuanced way that can kind of roll with the punches if you will, and have an impact in the face of changing circumstances. So it’s a very powerful dynamic that comes into play.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:38):
I heard you share an analogy of the difference between a massive ship coming into Harbor and a small canoe that can go up maybe a small stream. Talk to me about that in relationship to evangelize. Sure.

Michael Lusk (13:56):
Well, I think it’s a picture of the Holy spirit gave to me, and it seems to really resonate with people, you know and I’m not saying this against any big international ministries, I believe in international ministries, they do have a role, but I compare it to a huge ocean freighter, a cargo ship, you know, the draft, th the amount of ship that’s under the surface, you know, below level on these ships is sometimes, you know, 50, a hundred feet. And so you can’t just pull an ocean freighter up in any Harbor, any port of call, you gotta have real specific criteria. Everything’s gotta be in line for that to work. Now, when it does work, you can move a lot of material with it. You can get a lot done, but there’s a lot of places that you couldn’t get a ship like that.

Michael Lusk (14:43):
And, you know, to bring that down to the level of ministries like ours, and that do international evangelism, you know, a situation COVID-19 who could have predicted that that what that would look like and what kind of, what dampening effect that had on, on our ministries. And we’re overcoming it. We thank God for that, but it was a real deal breaker, if you will, in terms of doing some of the type of events that we do. And the, the contrast to that would be the dugout canoe, you know, the dugout canoe they’re used all over the world and primitive settings. And you know, you only have to have about six or seven inches of water to take one of these canoes in, and they can go into these backwater unreached places, the places in the we’d call the Backwoods where maybe the name of Jesus has never been mentioned. Nobody’s ever heard the gospel before. No evangelists maybe has ever gone into these communities. And these dugout canoes, these national evangelists can go and penetrate deep into these nations places where an international ministry could never go. And so I think it’s not an either or proposition. It’s not a criticism of one versus the other. It’s just simply to, to recognize the unique role and to validate it and to empower these nationals and what they’re doing, the only they can do in that way,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:09):
Love what you’re doing with doing evangelism coaching of these indigenous native evangelists in the countries that they’re, they’re used to, that they’re working in, and they can have such a potential to reach a huge harvest of souls. You know, Jesus went to every town and every village, and they can literally do that. They can go to every small town, every village and have an impact. If someone who’s listening wants to sponsor a sound system for one of these preachers that you’re training and wanted to give a gift. You said it was average of about $250. How would they be able to do that? Yeah,

Michael Lusk (16:50):
The easiest way is just to go to our website. It’s Vanguard, evangelism.com and Ray in the give tab. You can give right there online. You can mail it in if you prefer, but the easiest way is just right there in line. And you can just leave a memo in there to designate it for sound and put PA or sound system, and we’ll, we’ll know what to do with it. And we’re actively, this is an ongoing program. We obviously ramp up the fundraising when we’re doing a distribution, but it’s a continuing initiative that we’ve got going on year in and year out. And there’s just no limit to the amount of money that we could put to good use by empowering these national evangelists. So what, whatever gift you have is going to be put to good use. So we would definitely appreciate,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:36):
Well, I’d encourage you to, to go and donate to Michael Lusk and to Vanguard to help them train evangelists that are in-country preaching the language that the people speak. They are going often with with very little, they don’t need to have a huge salary, but they’re going everywhere preaching the gospel. And so if you have a heart to help evangelists like that, then I encourage you to go and give Michael, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. You guys are a tremendous blessing and we pray for you all the time. Well, thank you. And same to you. We love you, and we love what you stand for. And we’re in this together. We’re winning together with Jesus

Evangelism Podcast Host (18:24):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches, visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

Donna Schambach | All You Need is Faith in God

Donna Schambach is the daughter of R.W. Schambach, an evangelist who dedicated his life to reaching people for Jesus by doing tent crusades in the inner-cities of America. She has taken up his mantle and continues to preach the Gospel.

Website: https://www.schambachfoundation.org

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Donna Schambach is the daughter of RW. Schambach an evangelist who dedicated his life to reaching people for Jesus. By doing 10 crusades in the inner cities of America, she has taken up his mantle and continues to preach the gospel with boldness.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:21):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:58):
Evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I am excited about telling people about Jesus today. We have a very special guest with us, Ms. Donna Schambach. Thank you so much for joining us,

Donna Schambach (01:10):
Daniel. It’s so great to be asked. Thank you for having me. I’m glad to be.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:15):
Now. You are the daughter of a great evangelist RW Schambach, who just had a tremendous evangelistic fervor, and actually was one of my father’s heroes. My, my father, he went to one of your father’s meetings in Detroit, Michigan. He had the big tent set up and my dad went every night and volunteered and helped pray. And he learned so much watching your father RW Schambach preached the gospel that my father decided that he wanted a tent. And so he raised money and he went out and bought a tent. So he could do old-fashioned tent crusades, just like your dad.

Donna Schambach (01:59):
That’s pretty awesome. Yes. I grew up in the tent era.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:03):
So tell me some of your father’s ministry and what God did through his life.

Donna Schambach (02:11):
When he got out of Bible school, he had a real desire to see people get healed, and he believed in signs and wonders. My mother said his first pastorate, he spent more time in the hospital, praying for people to get healed than he did in the office. And it was around that time, I would say about 1954, something like that. TLS born came to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and my dad went to see him and a friend of my dad who had a blinded eye from it was an accident in a steel mill. He saw TL call him up in front of thousands of people to pray for him. And he couldn’t believe it. He said, why is this man praying for him in front of all these people? What if he doesn’t get healed? And when TL just very calmly laid his hands on the man’s eyes and just prayed in the name of Jesus and instantly that man received brand new eyes.

Donna Schambach (03:10):
And my dad ran up to see because he knew the man. And when he saw that wasn’t that he saw the miracle, but he saw Dr. TL put it on display. He said, that’s what I want to learn, how to do. And that sent him to an apprenticeship with another healing, evangelist, AA Allen for four and a half years. My dad pretty much ran his organization and preach the afternoon services, preached faith. And at night he saw so many miracles and God did so many things that about 1959, God told him. Now it’s time for you to go out on your own and how that started. God sent him to New York city. He did not have a tent. He did not have a crusade team. He went with my uncle, my mother’s brother. And they went and looked at a theater in Manhattan was a Lowe’s theater.

Donna Schambach (04:09):
And my dad watched the people who were coming in and he said, I bet you, I could rent that facility for more than that man’s making in a month. And he went and he approached the owner and he said, I want to rent this facility for a month. And he made up a flyer, signs, wonders, and miracles, Bible days are here again. And he and my uncle passed them out on the streets of Manhattan. They were their own advancement and they had their first service. There was like 30, 35 people that came. But so many miracles took place that by the end of the month, there are over 2000 people in that theater. And that began his ministry. It started in the inner city of New York from there and went to Newark, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Chicago, New York. And he planted wheat Bible centers because there were so many converts coming to the Lord because of the miracles that they saw.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:07):
I remember one of the famous phrases that your father RW buck always said was you don’t have any problems. All you need is faith in God. Give me just a minute. I’m going to pull up that sermon. Let’s listen to a little bit. Yeah,

R.W. Schambach (05:20):
Right now, still the hope for the people of God, let them worship their false idols. I’m not bowing down to any false God. God is God. And he’s the same that day as he watched 2000 years ago. And he is the answer to every one of our problems. You don’t have any trouble. All you need is faith in God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:50):
What are some of the things that, that you learned from him as a little girl?

Donna Schambach (05:55):
There’s so many things that I learned observing him. He believed that the Bible was the word of God that if God said it, he would do it. And if he spoke it, he would bring it to pass. He said that many, many times. And so he preached the word and he practiced the word. My dad was a very positive person. He lived by faith. Didn’t mean he didn’t have some struggles that he had to walk through some hurtful days. Some days when he had to believe God for money, like all evangelists, but he always kept his confession. His confession was the word of God. My dad also had a boldness to go out in on a limb and faith. You might say, I remember we were in the Czech Republic for the first time in the city of Bruneau and, and the Pentecostal church invited us, but they rented a big soccer facility.

Donna Schambach (06:54):
And when we got there, the man told us, he said, most of these people in this audience, they’re not saved. They never been saved. And I remember watching them, they had their arms folded and my dad preached a gospel message. I had never heard him preach before. And he just, almost like a lawyer laid out the message of the gospel, but I could see the people were still sitting there with their arms folded. And all of a sudden he spotted a deaf and mute young man and pulled him up in front of all those unbelieving people and put his fingers in his ear. Like you usually did commanded those deaf spirits to come out, had that young boy talking. And when they saw the power of God, put on display, over half of that audience came forward to receive Jesus that night. It just blew my mind. And I, I said, dad, how did you know he was going to get healed? How did you know it? And he was a man of few words, but now I understand it because of my own ministry. He said there was just that inner knowing that God was going to do it. And what we would understand to be a form of the word of knowledge, that’s just the spirit of God working with us. And, but he was willing to put God on display

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:13):
And you have a very strong evangelistic gifting on your life. In fact, I think that the, the anointing gets stronger from, from generation to generation. And so how old were you when you started in ministry? Did you grow up, participating in the ministry with him?

Donna Schambach (08:32):
Honestly, my dad would not push us in ministry known as very young. He might have me come and sing and I’m not a singer. And I let him know that I’m straight up, but no, I pursued education. That was, I felt like I was going to be in Christian school education, the rest of my life. In fact, I had been in the Bronx for nine years. I was in the middle of that assignment. When the pastors around me started to talk to me about speaking gifts. And they felt like I should pursue a minister’s license, which I didn’t feel called to preach at all. And I said, you’re not going to call me. My, my parents never pushed it, but I did get honest with the Lord. I said, I’m hearing this enough father, but if you want me to be a preacher, you’re going to have to call me.

Donna Schambach (09:21):
And I’m going to tell you Daniel four and a half years later, he answered that. And he woke me up at five o’clock in the morning, which I am not a morning person, but it felt like God’s hand grabbed me in the pit of my stomach and grabbed me out of bed. I was wide awake. He sent me to my chair. He had me open to Luke chapter one. And when I got to verse 17, I knew he was calling me to preach. He talked about the ministry of John the Baptist, and he said, I’m raising you up in the spirit and power of Elijah to turn the hearts of the fathers, to the children, the disobedient, to the wisdom of the just and to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. And then he said these three words, and I had never heard him use together missionary teacher evangelist.

Donna Schambach (10:12):
And I knew in my heart that everything that I had done with training children and their parents teaching the precepts of scripture, that all of that was formulating a call on my life. That would not just be in one local facility, but would it be global? And so how many years ago was that, that you received that call? That’s going back now almost 30 years. And honestly, even though I worked beside my dad for 25 years, I was his afternoon speaker. God was showing me how to work in the power gifts and do an altar call and run a ministry basically when he died. I remember the day that I had to go back into the studio to do the new openings and closings, to tell people that he was gone. And when I came out, I felt the weight of his ministry fall on my shoulders.

Donna Schambach (11:12):
And I said, Lord, I can’t carry this. I’m not RW Schambach. And he said so quickly to me, he said, I never told Joshua to go back and pick up Moses rod. He said, I told Joshua would he use his feet? And every bit of ground, the soles of his feet tread upon, I’d give it to him. And he said, if you will be obedient to me, he said, I’ll take you places that your father has never gone. And I it’s been a trust relationship since then, but 30 days from that day, I was in my first crusade call-in centers to Jesus and seeing miracles take place. And it’s been happening ever since.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:54):
And Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. The same Jesus that worked in your father’s life works in your life. And your ministry now is multifaceted. You continue the passion for soul winning and even holding crusades in different parts of America. Also doing women’s meetings, which you are sharing with me some today. And also you have a school of ministry where you’re, you’re training the next generation. Tell, tell me about that.

Donna Schambach (12:24):
You know, when my dad was still alive, the last 10, 15 years of his life, he kept saying over and over again in his messages, God is raising up an end time army to do the works of Christ and the power of Christ. And I said to him, I said, dad, you know, there are so many young ministers that want to be the Elatia to you. And he says, I’m not a teacher. I said, I know you’re not a teacher, you’re a preacher, but I believe that we could put some teaching together. We could do a school of ministry and people would come here just to hear you talk and hear your experiences. And so we put together a school of ministry the last 10 years of his life. And when this year hit 2020, and we couldn’t travel, the Lord took me right to all of those notebooks and all of that curriculum.

Donna Schambach (13:16):
And I said, we’re going to put this online because that vision, that the Lord gave him about an end time army of evangelists that needs to come to fruition. And I know that there are a lot of people who’ll never go to seminary and there are things that evangelists need to know that seminaries don’t teach and there’s ministry in the spirit that comes through a tutor Lynch, you know, it comes through learning. And also, I believe two Mo more is caught than taught. And so I’ve put together some of my own teaching, some of the curriculum for that my dad used to teach. And then I’ve invited some of the evangelists that I know to come and be part of that school. And we launched shadowbox school of ministry this year online.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:03):
Wow. So if someone wanted to receive training in evangelism from the Schambach school of ministry, how would they,

Donna Schambach (14:10):
It’s so easy rather than trying to spell Schambach they just go to Donna global.com, Donna global.com. And it’ll take you right to our school of ministry

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:20):
And you’re continuing to, to do ministry. Can people donate to you at that place too?

Donna Schambach (14:26):
Absolutely. And go to the same place and become a partner or just give, as you feel led to do that. And we’re believing God that this next decade is going to be a decade of great harvest. So when you invest, you’re investing in soles, everything, every book we sell every course goes to winning souls to the Lord Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:52):
Well, I’d encourage you if you’re listening and you have a heart for evangelism, go and support Donna Schambach in her ministry she has big vision and she needs all the resources she can get. And so go and, and, and, and help her out. What word would you give to someone who wants to be used by God in the area of evangelism? What would you say to them?

Donna Schambach (15:17):
My dad would say the first word of evangelism is go. And if you feel a call to the ministry, just begin telling people about Jesus right now, what a school that is, you’ll learn about the hearts of people and what they’re thinking, what their needs are and begin to pray with them. But you also need to think about some training, even if it is just a short-term training school. There’s so much to learn about the cultures and people of the world and how, how you go into an area and, and deal with the culture. It’s important to know that and also just knowing about the spiritual gifts and how you can be used in them and how you can flow and hearing the voice of the Holy spirit. These are all important things. So set aside some time to study, but don’t let anything hold you back. You can be used of God right now, be baptized in the Holy spirit. If you haven’t gotten that in yet. And Jesus said it this way, you shall receive power. When the Holy spirit comes upon you and you will be witnesses unto me, and then just let him do it through you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:25):
Amen. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. Miss Donna,

Evangelism Podcast Host (16:30):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches, visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

David Shibley | Global Advance

Dr. David Shibley is the founder of Global Advance, an innovative ministry that trains front-line leaders to reach people for Jesus. He is also the author of many books about missions and evangelism. In today’s podcast, he explains how his ministry is advancing the Gospel around the globe.

Questions:

How do you train marketplace leaders?

How did you develop a passion for reaching the world for Jesus?

What are some of the things that you think our generation should prepare for that God wants to do in the years to come?

Website: https://www.globaladvance.org/

Read David Shibley’s Many Books About Missions: https://amzn.to/3aT31OA

If you are excited about evangelism listen to the Evangelism Podcast, with Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach.

Transcription:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Dr. David Shibley is the founder of Global Advance in innovative ministry that trains frontline leaders to reach people for Jesus. He’s also the author of many books about missions and evangelism and today’s podcast. He explains how his ministry is advancing the gospel

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:19):
Around the world. Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:57):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And today I have a very special guest, Dr. David Shibley, who is the founder of global advance. Thank you for being with us today.

Dr. David Shibley (01:11):
Daniel it’s always a privilege to be with you, and it’s great to be with your audience as well. Thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:16):
Global Advance is an extremely innovative ministry. Can you tell us some about what you do and what your vision is?

Dr. David Shibley (01:25):
Our vision is to equip national leaders on the ground for the advance of the gospel in their nation. We exist to ignite what we call Changemakers worldwide to help fulfill the great commission in each of their respective locations to help turn that national church, wherever we happen to be itself into a missionary sending church. So we equip pastoral leaders. We equip marketplace leaders women who many times, even in Christian contexts are subjugated in one way or another in in many nations. And then also the next gen next gen leaders. So we are an equipping ministry for the purpose of bringing people to Christ evangelism and of course discipling them in the context of that national church.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:23):
I think one of the things that you do, that’s very interesting is the marketplace ministry going in training national leaders who are involved in, in business or in the marketplace. How are you reaching Christians who are involved in the marketplace?

Dr. David Shibley (02:37):
That has been an amazing open door for us. Even in areas where the training of pastoral leaders has been somewhat limited because of political situations in different nations. Always we have an open door to train people in the marketplace. And so we simply bring biblical economics to bear best practices, outcomes expected outcomes. And we see tremendous openness. I think of a one West African nation where seven Muslim businessmen came simply to hear businessmen from America and their principles of effective business. And they all went away believers in Jesus. And so we’re particularly thankful for how the Lord is using this marketplace outreach. That was really the vision of our current president. Our son, Jonathan, who heads the ministry of global advance and is just doing a tremendous job along with a great team.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:49):
You’ve been doing ministry for quite a few years now, your whole life, I believe. Tell us some about how you got started in ministry and how you really caught a passion for reaching the world for Jesus.

Dr. David Shibley (04:04):
You know, I had a very evangelistic father an evangelistic pastor dad who pastored in Tulsa, Oklahoma, his heart was to see people come to Christ, 50% of every offering, every tea ever taken at that church where he pastored went straight to missions and a huge mission heart. And he went to be with the Lord when I was 15 years old. Of course I was a very traumatic experience for me and for our family. And yet the Lord sustained us in such a magnificent way. And out of the heartbreak of all of that, and I was 15 years old searching whereas as Michael w would say my place in this world and the Lord just met me in, in those days in a marvelous way. And when I was 16 years old, he called me to preach. And the pastor of our church at that time, after my dad had gone to be with the Lord, I shared that with our pastor and he said, well, why don’t you speak next Wednesday night at the prayer meeting?

Dr. David Shibley (05:17):
And after I do give a quote sermon at is what he called it. So I did, but there happened to be a Methodist pastor who was in the audience that night and he had compassion on me or whatever, and invited me to preach at his church the next Sunday. And it just began to snowball. And I began to speak at youth camps all over the the, the middle part of our country in Kansas and Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Daniel, it’s just never stopped. I’ve I’ve always had a vision to reach people for Christ. I’ve had the privilege of ministering as an evangelist, but also pastoring churches in Arkansas and Oklahoma. But I started preaching when I was 16 years old. That was 54 years ago now. And the Lord has sustained me. I’m deeply, deeply grateful. I’ve preached in the world’s largest church.

Dr. David Shibley (06:10):
I’ve also preached in little huts in the middle of central Africa as have you. And always just the joy of standing as a representative for the Lord. Jesus Christ has, has always been the same, no matter the context I’ve been privileged to preach to thousands of men and a promise keepers events and large stadiums. One night in Minneapolis at a promise keepers event, I was privileged to be the, the gospel presenter that first night. And we saw a thousand men that night make professions of faith in Christ, just deeply grateful for all that the Lord has done. And I, I just stand back and on and say, this is the Lord’s doing it’s marvelous in our eyes, never lacked for places to preach, but some of those are because I’ve made opportunities for preaching at rest homes. And Sunday school classes never saw any occasion for the ministry of the gospel to be smaller in consequential, all of them count and all of them are important.

Dr. David Shibley (07:22):
And now I just love more than anything else passing on to the next generation and peripherally some of that evangelistic fire that is on you and that by the grace of God, I have received a portion of that as well. Over the years of imparting that to the next generation, to get the gospel out. That’s got to be our great, great passion, the overarching passion of the church to get the gospel to every person. I love the watch word of of different mission movements the gospel for every person and a church for every people group on earth. That’s my heart as well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:04):
Well, I remember when I was just starting out in ministry, I was very young. You had something that you call days with David and you invited me and a group of other young evangelists, young preachers here to Rockwell, Texas to, to spend some time with you. And some of those principles that you shared with me have really helped me in, in building the ministry and in helping me to, to do what God has called me to do. And I, I just so appreciate your, your leadership and your wisdom and how you, you have a passion for passing on the principles you’ve learned to the next generation. What are some of the, the, the leadership principles that you think are really important to pass on?

Dr. David Shibley (08:52):
I think this generation in particular is a very committed to authenticity. And even though they may violate that principle themselves they certainly want to see it in their leaders, particularly spiritual leaders. And so everything that we do Daniel has to come out of this overflow of personal intimacy with Jesus. And so foundational to everything is I try to impart to younger spiritual leaders. Christian leaders is that daily time of intimacy with the Lord getting into his word, letting God speak to you through his word letting the Holy spirit minister to you, and then intercession and prayer and praise and worship all of that together. The reading of classic Christian books. I love many of the, the wonderful authors today, and I read several of them, but this generation also needs to be familiar with Oswald chambers and men and women Elizabeth Elliott and her writings, and those that have really shaped a Bible, believing Christians, evangelical Christians over these last 50 to 100 years.

Dr. David Shibley (10:10):
So I, I’m just very grateful. I I’d say, just keep walking with Jesus. I love what Dr. Bill bright taught. He, he said it was a transferrable concept of keeping short accounts with God, what he calls spiritual, breathing that any time the Holy spirit in any way shows you anything in your life, any thought, any action, any words that dishonor the Lord in any way that you immediately confess and forsake that acknowledging with the Lord that this has no place in my life as a believer. That’s what that word literally means in first, John one nine, if we confess to the Greek word homologeo, if we say the same thing about this sin that God says about it. In other words, if we don’t try to excuse it, but we fully own up to it. We say that’s not to have a part in my life as a believer. If we confess our sin, then God is faithful. And just to cleanse us from all sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness, Dr. Bright said that by the confession of sin and repentance he called that spiritual exhaling and then inhaling by receiving the forgiveness of God and a fresh fullness of the spirit of God to do our assignment, not in our own capacity, but beyond our best efforts in supernatural capacity, the power of God’s spirit within us,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:38):
You are really a visionary looking into the future at, at what God wants to do in the world. What are some of the things that you think our generation should prepare for that God wants to do in the years to come? I do believe that

Dr. David Shibley (11:54):
The Western world in the United States in particular, the church in America will no longer escape persecution. We have experienced harassment but certainly not. Frontal persecution as have so many of our brothers and sisters around the world. I think there’s going to be a stronger affinity of the global body of Christ. The one for the other scripture is clear if one member suffers, we all suffer. And I think that now the Western church, the American church in particular is going to have a stronger sense of identity with our brothers and sisters who have suffered for the cause of Christ around the world. I’m grateful that during this very challenging season that the whole world has gone through with the COVID virus, that there has been a degree of, of a repentance and cleansing in the church.

Dr. David Shibley (12:54):
I don’t know to what degree the Holy Spirit himself measures that, but I do believe it’s preparatory for a greater work that the spirit of God will do in our nation, as well as many nations of the earth. Again, a great sweep of the spirit of God. And, you know, it’s interesting, I, as a teenager, myself, and as a college student, I lived through the Jesus movement and the amazing release of creativity in the church and systemic change in the church, which wasn’t a rebellion. It was just all of this freshness and newness of new born young believers coming into the church and asking the legitimate questions. Well, why do you do it this way? And could we do it another way? And that I, God used that for amazing transformation in the last rate, a national sweep of the spirit, which was the Jesus movement.

Dr. David Shibley (13:55):
Now I believe that God’s going to do it again. And I believe he has young people postured right now. And that’s why I want to get with a young people. I started in history, Daniel in youth ministry. I’d like to go full circle and finish in youth ministry as well, just pouring a want. The Lord has given to me into the lives of young men and women who are themselves passionate for Jesus Christ. I think martyrdom is going to go up. And I, I don’t want to say that in any particularly morbid way, Paul gave us a full assessment of all of that, that to depart and be with Christ is far better. That’s not any kind of death wish we want to fully fulfill all that God has for us in our day, but we need not fear death we’re to be bold and winsome at the same time loving the loss to caring about a broken world and ministering the grace of God by the power of his spirit.

Dr. David Shibley (14:57):
And I see that coming on men and women, young men and women around the world now and in our own nation as well. And I’m very, very grateful for that. God always has people in the wings who are ready, and those of us who have maybe been on the road for a little longer can encourage and strengthen. I want to be the, the Baton runner that is still at full strength when I pass the Baton to the next runner. And then I want to be there to yell, encouragement, and, and to strengthen him and inspire him in his leg of the race. So I’m very thankful. I have no regrets. Boy, I’ve got a magnificent wife who has stood with me for 48 years. She came from a very mission hearted family herself grew up in something of what was then the Citadel of evangelicalism in Winona Lake Indiana, and heard many of those great old preachers like Harry iron and others who would come through proclaiming the gospel.

Dr. David Shibley (16:04):
So it’s a rich heritage, and I want to pass that heritage on if, if in the banking world, if with something as neutral as money. And I realized that there are demonic things that can attach to money, but money itself is a neutral. But if in the banking world, there is this Nayana miraculous thing called compound interest. Should we not see the same effect with our own sons and daughters over two and three and four generations, a compound interest of the impact of the gospel on individuals on nations, on families in particular. And I’m deeply, deeply grateful for the impact of the gospel on our own family, thankful for that preacher in in Bristow, Oklahoma, that whoever he was, and I’m looking forward to meeting him when I get to heaven that was the man who was preaching when my dad came to faith in Christ, thankful for that preacher in Oklahoma city who was preaching when my mom came to faith in Christ in the 1920s all of that has had amazing ramifications, thankful for a great praying grandmother there in Bristow who prayed for me as well as for her son, my father.

Dr. David Shibley (17:21):
So I, I, I’m just grateful Jesus Christ has literally changed everything. I, Daniel I couldn’t be more grateful to the Lord. I only wish that I would have been more fruitful that I would have been more sensitive to the promptings of the Holy spirit bolder in obedience to the Lord. But if the Lord gives me more time and I think he will, I want to ramp up the game and be more fruitful than I’ve ever been. I think we have even an illustration in nature, Daniel here in, in the fall of the year that we have just experienced leaves are at their most pungent and beautiful and brilliant right before they die. And I think it should be the same way with us. We shouldn’t get a weaker in faith or weaker in, in any way, other than a physical body that has a shelf life, that the Lord himself again, is going to resurrect in mighty glory and power. But that our most brilliant work, our most colorful, refreshing, beautiful work for Jesus ought to accelerate toward the end of our lives. And that’s what I’m praying for me and for others of my friends.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:42):
And I, I think your organization is so beautiful because now your son, Jonathan is leading a global advance and forging in new directions. And, and, but still continuing to take the love of Jesus to people around the world. And so you see in your father who is a pastor and in your life and in your son’s life, and then into the generations to come, that God is a, a generational God. He’s the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And he doesn’t just see one generation. He has a viewpoint that encompasses many generations and continues. And so I’m excited about what my generation gets to do for Jesus. Global advance is continuing to go to many nations around the world, raising up leaders, training leaders in many different spheres of influence. If someone wanted to go to your website and make a donation to global advance, w what’s your website,

Dr. David Shibley (19:40):
Thank you, Daniel, it’s simply globaladvance.org. And I would just thinking here at this very table, just a few minutes ago, we concluded a an online meeting with Christian leaders in, in Indonesia. And I’m very, very thankful that the Lord has allowed us to live in a day where there are tremendous communications possibilities. I feel that we can say, as Paul said, from a jail cell, he said, you know, I’m personally bound, I’m personally isolated, but the word of God is not bound. And we see that in the same way. It’s been a very strange and prayerfully untypical year. And yet, even though we ourselves have been limited in, in our own capacity to to go, and the word of God itself is never bound. And I’m so grateful for the gospel getting out on many platforms and new platforms that are even this very day being conceived and worked on, and they will be vehicles for the gospel.

Dr. David Shibley (20:51):
The gospel Daniel has always traveled as you know, on roads and the PAX Romana that allowed a a fairly safe passage of people throughout the Roman empire and believers who were going on those roads built by Rome or by that empire were carrying the gospel as they went. We have a pox technology GEA today where we have all of these opportunities to get the gospel out rapidly. I say to young men in ministry, you realize that starting today, you can have a worldwide ministry simply by the click of a few buttons. And so there’s all these opportunities. And I just want to appeal to your listeners because I know they’re listening because they’re interested in getting the gospel out. Let’s take every Avenue possible to get the gospel out. Billy Graham in one of his final addresses to the evangelists that he had convened at one of his great meetings in Amsterdam for itinerate evangelists said let’s use every legitimate means and every ounce of our strength to get the gospel out. That’s my appeal to us as well. Every legitimate means every ounce of our strength, animated and breathed on by the life-giving spirit of the living. God, let’s get the gospel into the minds, into the hearts, into the years of people around the world. And then the spirit of God himself will do what only he can do in taking that wonderful, good news and drawing people to a real relationship with God through faith in his son. Amen. Thank you for joining me on the evangelism podcast. I appreciate it. Thank you, Daniel migrate privilege

Evangelism Podcast Host (22:52):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches, visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

Per Akvist | Ethiopia Joshua Campaign – One Chance for Every Person

Per Akvist leads the Ethiopia Joshua Campaign. They believe it is a human right for every person to hear the Gospel at least once in their lifetime. Over the last twenty years, Joshua Campaign has been responsible for leading millions of people to Jesus across Ethiopia and other parts of Africa.

Notes:

Joshua Campaign Website: joshuacampaign.nu

Mercy House Website: familymercyhouse.org

If you love evangelism listen to the Evangelism Podcast, with Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach.

Transcription:

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (00:00):
Per Akvist leads the Ethiopia Joshua campaign. They believe it is a human right for every person to hear the gospel, at least once in their lifetime. Over the last 20 years, Joshua campaign has been responsible for leading millions of people to Jesus across Ethiopia and other parts of Africa.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:23):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (01:02):
The evangelism podcast. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. We have a very special guest pear fist from Joshua campaign in Ethiopia. Pare, thank you so much for being with me. Well, thank you for having me. Now. We are in a Buena Ethiopia. We have been having a crusade this week and God has been doing great miracles. Tell me a brother pear. How did we decide to come here to a Buena? Oh, well the leadership from the local churches have asked us for a long time to come here. And as, as of now, it was a real good opportunity to do this and we took the advantage. And so what are some of the things that God’s been doing here? Well, of course I think you know, we have done crusades in Ethiopia for so many years and our strategy is to come in and work with the local leaders.

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (02:06):
Give them a training, encouragement tools to work with. And in that’s in the, in the leader seminars and at the crusade itself, we demonstrate the power of God by signs and wonders. Now you, along with Joshua campaign have been working here in Ethiopia for, for many years. Can you tell us some of how Joshua campaign came to be and, and what Joshua campaign has been doing here in Ethiopia? Yeah, we, we soon celebrated about 23 years here in country. My my good friend called Tom started the Joshua campaign 1997. And yeah, at that time, the gospel were quite unknown. If you hope as being indigenous and, and eh, through the many years of communism, the wa the border has been kind of locked and the gospel hasn’t had very much exposure. So starting doing crusades around 97, we have seen a tremendous fruit in this country. I mean, we speak just through our own crusades for 23 years, we have seen millions of people coming to the,

Per Akvist (03:29):
And approximately how many crusades has Joshua campaign done

Per Akvist (03:33):
Or K here we need to calculate. But eh, in average, every year we have been able to do between five to seven every year for 23 years.

Per Akvist (03:47):
So that’s well over a hundred crusades and close approaching, 150 crusades that have been done

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (03:53):
Here, I would say yes, yes. And

Per Akvist (03:55):
I’ve read some statistics when communism fell in Ethiopia, the country was about 3% evangelical Christian.

Per Akvist (04:04):
Oh, no, no, no. You had four to 5 million people in this country in 1992. That’s when the communism were more kicked out, you had 1.8% evangelical believers.

Per Akvist (04:21):
1.8% were evangelical believers. And today how many percentage is evangelical?

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (04:29):
Well, w you have to have the perspective that if the population has grown from four to 5 million people till today, 110 million people, and the today’s, the statistic is 20% evangelical believers.

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (04:45):
So in this time period where Joshua campaign has been doing crusades in the country, the growth of the VI evangelical church has gone from 1.8% of 45 million up to 20% of 100 million, a hundred and 110 million people. What a tremendous thing to be excited about this, this, when, when church history is written, I think this qualifies as one of the greatest revivals that has ever happened in church.

Per Akvist (05:17):
Exactly. I, I, far as far as my knowledge, I, I think only South Korea, I’ve seen this kind of growth gone from zero till 30% as, as you can see in Korea. And for the last 13 years, I’ve been the director of the Joshua campaign. And I have seen within this, within this period of time, how even the local church has grown up and take a responsibility, and we really see how the gospel has been established in this country. And you see you denominations up to 708 million people in this country today.

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (06:04):
That’s tremendous. Now, one of the sayings that has formed the basis for Joshua campaign is one chance for every person. Tell me, what does that mean? One chance for every person.

Per Akvist (06:18):
Yeah. That’s when Karl Hargestam started Joshua campaign, that, that came to him, that it should be a human right to hear the gospel at least one time in your life. And seeing so many unreached people. I mean, we speak people who have not even heard that there is a God that the Jesus have paid the price for their sins, and they were shipping the river. They worshiping the stone or the rock. I mean that came to him that it should be, you know, in the world today, we speak about human rights a lot, but the number one basic human rights should be to hear the, be able to hear the gospel at least one time in your life. And

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (07:10):
I would add to that one chance for every person, one task, for every believer to share the gospel. Now, another saying that you have in Joshua campaign is that you want to help the helpless and reach the unreached. What does that mean?

Per Akvist (07:30):
That’s this is me and my wife even long ago, 30 years ago, when we got married you know, my wife, she is from here, she’s born here. She grew up here till she was about 15 years old in a, in a situation, almost like a, I mean, she was a domestic slave, a non-paid housemaid but basically a slave. She came to Sweden. It’s a long, long story. As a 15 year old, she got restored. God did miracles and delivered her from bitterness and unforgiveness and so on. And when we met there in the end of eighties, we, we start to pray and ask the Lord for a vision for our lives. And, and very strongly, we felt out of our own personalities and lives together. Reached unreached. That’s my side of it help the helpless that’s her side of it because she had this kind of growing and she was left as an orphan.

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (08:45):
Father died, mother was unable to take care of her, and she was given to this if European family, as a domestic worker. And I mean, she had a really, really hard life. So our vision and what we felt the Lord wanted us to do was to preach the gospel to the unreached people and help this helpless people who are bounded in, in power T and not unable to raise their children. So with that vision first, we worked for about 14 years in Soviet union, because that was the time when God really opened up Soviet union. Then we came here 2005 and started working with church planting. We met Carl Hargus STEM, and we felt how we would merge our ministries together. So to the one chance for every person, we added reach down, reach and help the helpless. And we built my wife’s side of the ministry, which is the family mercy house, where we now take in in poor women. Mostly many of them have children. So we take them in, we give them vocational education in the same time we add their children into our sponsored children program. So even if the mothers fails, the children will still be secured having a somehow a good upbringing. I mean, we pay for their schools and, and some of the school material and make sure that they have nutritious food as well. But most of the time, the, the mothers also take the opportunity and change their lives.

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (10:44):
So you have the, the mercy house, which is to the family mercy house. And the purpose of that is to, to help the helpless, you take these women off the street, very poor women and give them skills to help them in life. And then you also want to reach the unreached. And so to do that, you do these large evangelistic crusades, but that’s not all you do. You are also planting churches and starting Bible schools. Tell me some about that.

Per Akvist (11:14):
Yeah, of course the the crusades, it’s one of the backbones then together with a local church planter and evangelists actually he’s an apostil with a passion of, of starting churches. We, we formed this new denomination and within four years we have, we started with three churches. They, of course there is a background history to that as well, but about four years ago, we started with three churches and today we have 65 churches, all in, all on a average Sunday morning, we get her 25,000 people among these churches. And one of the most important thing is to give them education. So we we see a lot of growth, but in the same time, you’re in numbers, you have also, you have to secure the quality of, of these believers. So we, we we run the Bible school program.

Per Akvist (12:20):
I have in Joshua campaign. I have two staff that works mostly with the Bible school coordination. So we do that remotely sending teachers to all the different remote areas. We have this program that we got from the Pentecostal church of God in America called Veritas. And that helps us a lot to coordinate that from the headquarter in Addis Ababa, we send the teachers out, they have a program, we know what they teach and, and, and they can go to every remote area. And, and we have a secured doctrine and good Bible teaching that is given to them.

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (13:10):
Well, it’s such an honor to be here with you. I think this is now my seventh crusade that I have done in Ethiopia with Joshua campaign. And we always see such tremendous results in just a few minutes. We’re going to go to the field and preach for the last time here in a Buena it’s Sunday morning, lots of people are coming and they’re there, they’re dressed in their Sunday best. And so the choirs that the choir is going to come and sing and dance, and, and it’s just so wonderful to, to see what God has done through your ministry here. So if someone who’s listening wants to invest in Ethiopia and wants to help reach people for Jesus here, or they’re interested in supporting the, the, the mercy house, how can they find you? What’s your, what’s your website,

Per Akvist (13:59):
But Joshua campaign that, and you will be up running with Swedish and English language,

Per Akvist (14:08):
Joshua campaign.in you. If they’re interested in, in helping you with what God is doing here in Ethiopia,

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (14:16):
Add in that it has been a great privilege to work with you. These seven crusades together, we have partnering very well with the King ministry. And I do appreciate your friendship and the ministry that we’re doing together. And yeah it has been a good, good relationship that we are built for for many years.

Missionary Evangelist Daniel King (14:43):
Praise the Lord. Well, it’s so exciting to see what God is doing here in Ethiopia, and we believe that God will continue to use you to reach many

Per Akvist (14:52):
People here. And of course, we do have the mercy house that is FamilyMercyhouse.org That you have in Swedish and in English. And there you can make any donation to the mercy house. Wonderful. Thank you, pair. All right. Thank you very much

Evangelism Podcast Host (15:12):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches, visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

Emmanuel Array Gewe | How to Follow Up After a Big Crusade

Bishop Emmanuel Array Gewe pastors World Harvest Church Assemblies of God Church in Kahama, Tanzania. He served as the crusade director for a Christ for All Nations crusade in Kahama. He considers Reinhard Bonnke to be his spiritual father even though he never met him. In today’s podcast, Bishop Emmanuel talks how his church plans to follow up on all the new believers who get saved at the crusade in Kahama.

Notes:

Bishop Emmanuel talks about the huge impact Reinhard Bonnke has had on his life.

One of the methods Bishop Emmanuel uses to follows up on the new believers is to host a twenty-one day seminar for the new believers in his church.

Also, you will learn how Bishop Emmanuel deals with witchcraft in his city.

 

If you are excited about evangelism listen to the Evangelism Podcast, with Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach.

Transcription:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Our guest today pastors World Harvest Church in Kahama, Tanzania. He served as the crusade director for a Christ for all nations crusade in comma. He considers Reinhard Bonnke to be his spiritual father, even though he never met him. In today’s podcast, Bishop Emmanuel talks about how his church plans to follow up on all the new believers who get saved at the crusade in

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:31):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:07):
The evangelism podcast. I am here with Bishop Emmanuel, from world harvest church and the nation of Tanzania, the city of Kahama. Bishop. Thank you so much for inviting us to come to this city.

Emmanuel Array Gewe (01:23):
Thank you, evangelists. It’s a pleasure to have you here in Kahama.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:29):
Now we are here for the Christ for all nations gospel crusade with evangelist Daniel Kolenda, and you have been working to help to organize everything for the crusade. And so you tell me your position

Emmanuel Array Gewe (01:47):
With Christ for All Nations here is I am organizing the crusade. I’m the, I’m the leader of crusade organizing team.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:57):
And so you’ve been helping to organize all the pastors helped to get to permissions for all of the, the permits that are required to be here in the city. Tell me some of the preparations that have gone into preparing for this crusade.

Emmanuel Array Gewe (02:14):
Oppression is started from, from, from August early August. When, when we, the team Stefan team came here and Urrutia, we had Jacko, we had Lucas and later came my ma my Clift on. Then we started moving church to church and we also went to the government offices to have permits, to have field permits, to have the crusade permits and promotion permits. So we move all around the city and we have been meeting pastors on September three. We also had 450 pastors meeting together. And they were told about the crusade and the sea fan teams were there. And for sure it was a good day and still go from those days everything was going well. And then later the see fun. And as we have been doing some other things, at least to promote the crusade, we had the youth promotion day. We promoted the crusade to the youth and more than one, 1000 youth gathered together. And it was very good. I tell you, and we also had prayers as well, and everything was going good. And we have about 12 committee preparing the crusades. So to now, every committee is doing good. And with ongoing, everything is going on. Well,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:42):
So a big part of doing a crusade is the promotion and all over the city. I have seen posters and banners. People passing out flyers. Does everyone in Kahama know what is happening this week?

Emmanuel Array Gewe (03:55):
For sure. It’s like everybody in Kahama knows because I don’t think if something like this one has happened before. I know there were many preachers around karma who came from America, from Europe, from Korea, from everywhere. But I think this one has been different because there were flyers. Everybody’s having a flyers. There were billboards everywhere. There are banners everywhere. And we have trucks moving around everybody. And it’s like, for two weeks I was moving one to one place to another. I want it’s like, I wanted to know if there’s somebody who do not know that there is crusade. So for the two weeks asking if there is somebody who do not know that there’s crusade, I only found one old woman, old woman, and I don’t blame her because it’s like, she’s not good in hearing. She’s also not good in speaking. And because of her age is like, she doesn’t have the company with other people. So I can say every body in karma knows crusade. And last day, when we were to the field, one guy say, if I want to be saved in this crusade, I think I won’t be saved anymore.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:13):
Well, I believe he will be saved and I believe

Emmanuel Array Gewe (05:15):
He will be saved.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:18):
Amen. And so tell me about some of the needs here in the city. As, as we were coming here, you told me that Coahoma is a city of witchcraft. What do you mean by that?

Emmanuel Array Gewe (05:33):
Kahama is having this demonic worships. We can say did this kind of demonic worship people. They are witch doctors, witchcraft. I mean these people who are watching the evil, that the kingdom of darkness, these are the people who are worshiping the kingdom of darkness. And truly speaking. This city is four of these kind of demonic activities because the city of gold, I, we don’t understand, you know, gold mines are many here. So people love that people are doing many business is like they’re doing their business. It’s like they, they, they are relying to the witchcraft thinking that the witchcraft will help them. So that’s how, what they are doing. And it’s not easy. It’s not easy. Even here to start a church. It’s not easy. When we started the church here, 2003, 2000, and 2013, it was not easy.

Emmanuel Array Gewe (06:29):
It was not easy because this place was known to be the darkest place in the city of karma. And people are not even building the houses because when you build a house, when you build a goose house, you can die. But even other pastors were opening the churches here somewhere, somewhere, even running. When I came here, we had some pastors, one came here. He is having his family. He is married. But when he, when he got, when he came, he started a church. You know, he left his family. He ran away. He left the ministry. The other one came the same. When I came here, 2012, they told me the same story that my friend, you cannot open the church here. So in 2012, I spent the whole year praying for this place so that when I planned the church, that the ministry will grow and it was not easy. We have been praying, delivering people from demon possession and everything. And from them, there was broke through. I want to tell you, since I started the ministry here, many churches are being open around here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:32):
There is tremendous breakthrough and your churches full on Sunday morning. Oh yes. And many miracles go,

Emmanuel Array Gewe (07:40):
God has been doing goddess. Open the blind here. God has opened the diff God has, God has helped heal. Many people who are having deadly diseases. You see God has helped in him and are men. The church is full of testimonies. If you come around the church and look to the church and ask who is healed from demonic oppression, you will see them rising the hand that they are healed and they are totally free. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:09):
Reinhard Bonnke had a profound impact on your life. Tell me, what have you learned from Reinhard Bonnke?

Emmanuel Array Gewe (08:19):
This isn’t the resting there. Sorry with me. Reinhard Bonnke is really interesting. It was 2009, 2009 to eight. When I got saved, it was on March. When I got saved. When I got saved I had a friend called Ezekiel Ezekiel came and brought me a book. I was just a new convert and say, the book of, from evangelists ran at Banca evangelism by fire. So he gave me that book. And by that time, you know, I got saved and it’s like, my family has separated me. I was like, I was chest from home. And just because I got seven and I was Holy spirit field, and the spirit of God was really moving around me and I was ready to die for Christ in those few months. So this man came, he brought me a book. I started reading the book when I started reading the book bonkers book, evangelism by fire.

Emmanuel Array Gewe (09:16):
It’s like I found I was burning from inside, outside. I was burning and my heart was full of joy. I was courageous. I was to preach. And there were pictures of Reinhard Bonnke to the middle of the book. When I look at the book and I see the multitude bunker has been preaching and it’s like, I was drinking. I know, I know if Bonnke is preaching, I will also preach. And I become passionate for the gospel. And I finished the book evangelism. I finished reading that book and I started looking for the books. You can even see right now, I have this one mighty manifestation, the gifts and the power of the Holy spirit. I bought many books. It’s like, I’ve read almost all the books of Bonnke. What happened is I become full of God’s fire. When, when with this, with that fire, you know, because of how, because of faith, it’s like, I was fiery my life.

Emmanuel Array Gewe (10:13):
I spend my life to the church. I preaching people all around the villages. My brother is like, he was angry. Say, this one here is going to be a pastor instead of being a student. So he took me and he sent me to the boarding school. So I went to boarding school is it’s like, he wanted me to go to boarding school because there is no church. But truly speaking, when I entered to two school, they choose me to be the CEC chairman of student fellowship. I started preaching the gospel from three students to 20 students.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:47):
Wow. So, so you never had the opportunity to meet Reinhard Bonnke, but still, what, what did you consider him to be in your life right now?

Emmanuel Array Gewe (10:57):
Bonnke, I have never met him and I was praying that one day I met Reinhard Bonnke and sometime I have even written him an email. If, if, if, if at all he can allow me to, to, to see him. And even I wrote that in one of his book, I think many books Bonnke wrote the story about George Jeffrey, George, different and evangelists from British. So it’s like I was telling Bonnke because George Jeffrey agreed you to go in and he blessed you. Please allow me as well to come to you and bless me as well. But the problem is when he died to that point, I’ve never seen. And the email was not replied 2017 is like, I think [Daniel] Kolenda, I was told that Bonnke is coming to Dar Es Salam and I was preparing to go, but I did not see him, but it was called Kolenda.

Emmanuel Array Gewe (11:51):
So by that time, I did not, that Kolenda is going to be the president of Christ for all nations. So Bonnke has made me passionate. If you see the ministry growing is because of Bonnke. If you see everything going, going on spiritually with me, that is Bonnke. Bonnke has made a big impact to my life. My choice lie right now, full of preachers because I’ve been preaching to the streets. Everybody here is to the church is a preacher. So they, we used to go to the street preaching. The same passion I got from Bonnke is the same passion that the church is having from me. So it’s like the church is full of passion and my heart is really for the harvest, really for the harvest. And, and as the church, we have mission. As you see, we are really having a mission to plant a missionary church in South Sudan. That’s our mission that we have,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:47):
Amen. That is such a wonderful vision, and God will make that come to pass. And so one of the important parts of doing a crusade is the followup of new believers. What is your church planning to do to help, to disciple those who get saved at the crusade?

Emmanuel Array Gewe (13:07):
Oh, yes. I’m, I’m prepared, prepared to use this opportunity to, to have a soul that will go that will be saved from Stephan crusade tomorrow from tomorrow. What we are prepared is to the church. We have prepared 21 days for the seminar. So we’ll have different preachers. They will be here doing deliverance, praying for the people, helping the new converse to grow spiritually. So the church you know, the church is right now excited for the concern. And after the crusade, we are also prepared for the seminar. Not only that, but every church member of weld harvest is given flyers and they are inviting their friends. Everybody, not only that, but also we, we, we, we prepare an invitation later. We have sent many invitation letter to the people so that they come to the church. And you can’t imagine the day before yesterday, I received a call from a Muslim teacher. He said, pastor, I have got the flyer. I have got the invitation letter, M as a Muslim, as a share, am I allowed to come to the seminar? I told you, yes, you are allowed to come to the seminar. Not only to the seminar, start with the crusade, then come to the seminar. So for sure, we are prepared our deacons. Last week, we did an election, we added more deacons. We added more deacons and church elders so that they, we have the team of followup. And we are really prepared for that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:36):
You are prepared for, for growth here in the church. And you’re going to do a 21 day seminar starting after the crusade begins 21 days of preaching, healing, deliverance, teaching the new believers, the basics of

Emmanuel Array Gewe (14:52):
The gospel. What are some of the things that you’ll teach them? Of course the first thing is will be, they will be believe they be teaching how to overcome the challenges of the, of, of, of the world. They’ll be told how to preach others as well. They will be told how to grow in in, in, in, in Christ. Those are very important things and they will be towed the do’s and don’ts that they should observe is as new Christians. Yes. So tell me, what do you expect God to do here in this city this week?

Emmanuel Array Gewe (15:32):
Evangelist? I tell you, every pastor is excited as a crusade organizer. You know, I’ve told pastors to prepare. Every church should have a seminar. Every church should have a seminar so that we have with the city, this opportunity comes, comes come doesn’t come. Always Stefan. When Steven comes it’s can take 20 years again for Stefan to come back because Stefan is moving all around the world. So by grace, you know, we, we, we, we have got this grade, but for sure, what I am seeing is God is going to do great things in this city that everybody nobody has ever seen. And if you go, even to the city, even people of the offices, they are saying we will be going to the concert. So the impact is going to be very big. Awesome. Bishop Emmanuel, thank you so much for all of your work, helping with the crusade. We could not do it without you. You are a great blessing, and I can say you are a great man of God, so God bless you, sir. Thank you, evangelists. God bless it. You are also welcome to come

Evangelism Podcast Host (16:37):
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Fredrick Andrea | The Impact of Jessica King on Tanzania

Jessica King helped to organize six massive crusades in cities across Tanzania. She made many wonderful friends in Tanzania and today I interview Pastor Fredrick Andrea about her impact. We also talk about how God is moving through crusades in the village areas of Tanzania.

Bishop Fredrick Andrea pastors Light Worship Center in Mwanza, Tanzania. He has planted over two hundred churches by doing mini-crusades in the villages of Tanzania.

Questions: 

What does a village crusade look like?

What are some of the big challenges of ministering in Tanzania?

Is witchcraft a problem when you go into the villages to preach the Gospel?

How has God protected Tanzania from the Corona Virus?

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Jessica King helped to organize six massive crusades in cities, across Tanzania. She made many wonderful friends while she was in Tanzania. And today I interview pastor Fredrick and Draya about her impact. We also talk about how God is moving through crusades in the village areas of Tanzania.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:24):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:02):
Some podcasts where we talk about everything about evangelism. I am in the nation of Tanzania with Bishop Fredrick from Mwanza. And it’s so good to have you here. God bless you, brother.

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (01:16):
Oh, thank you so much. Pleasure to meet you today.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:19):
So the reason that I know you is actually through my wife, Jessica, she came to Tanzania 13 years ago in 2004 to arrange a great gospel festival for evangelists, Peter Youngren. Who’s an evangelist from Canada and she was actually the organizer for that event. And you also participated in that it’s. So tell me a little bit about what you remember about my wife from before I even married

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (01:54):
Holistically speaking Jessica was very amazing because I remember that crew said was one of the biggest crusade in one’s at Tanzania. And she came and they stayed there probably longer preparing for the meeting. And she heard your heart to work with the pastors from many different denominations. And she’s a down to us, women of God. And I could see the real missionary spirit in her the way, although that time she was still noted, maybe married, she was looking young, but she could walk well with even there, all the pastors and bishops and hopelessly. Everybody loved it so much because of the heart and the P was spirit.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:44):
So what impact did that crusade with pastor Peter younger and have on ones in the surrounding region,

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (02:53):
The crusade was one of the biggest and it impacted many churches because their harvest was so big. Many people, God may not go to saved and many churches got there. I mean the converts and even until now, people are still talking about that meeting. There’s never been any meeting like that. I remember so well, that’s why the meeting had a very big impact. And even Jessica is a witness to this.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:26):
Talk to me about evangelism in Tanzania. What are you doing in your church to evangelize?

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (03:34):
A is X actually in Tanzania is very much important because Tanzania is one of the countries in Eastern Africa with many Muslims and many non Christians. So in our church, we have evangelism programs. We have BI, we sometimes train the people and then we send them for pastoral evangelism. And also as a ministry, we organize crusades, especially in the villages because many many preach us. They come to the cities and I realized that the villages are neglected. Many people don’t want to go there. So that’s why we always organize as a nomination, as a church, we reach out to the people and preach the gospel to open air crusades and people have been getting saved.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:24):
So your church has been going into the villages, doing crusades in the villages. And then you are also planting churches in these villages. How many churches have you planted

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (04:37):
Prove the evangelism outreach. I’ve planted 200 churches,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:42):
200 churches, mostly in the village areas, but places where a lot of Americans don’t go because they go to the big cities, but you’re going from village to village.

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (04:52):
Do you have any to learn? That’s why I could also realize that even the Africans, we we also are able through the supportive and all the American evangelists, if they can have some system whereby the native people maybe partnering together. So when they come, they can preach in the big cities and then the Africans, we can go to the villages that could be very much impacted.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:19):
What a, what a tremendous blessing that is. Tell me about what a village crusade looks like. Do, do you have a team that goes, do you have a sound system? Do you bring a generator? What, what does it take to do a crusade?

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (05:35):
Actually, the village even dealing with some are handy because they are no instruments. So we have to take the P S system with generators to the villages. So we go with a team and sometimes because of the transportation, maybe we hire some trucks. Then you put this S P a system. We hire in the cities and then we to the villages and the many people have been coming because they have never heard about these crusades. Then just hearing the crusades in the cities, but not in the villages. So they’ve really, [inaudible] a lot of impact.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:10):
How big are these villages that you’re going to, how many people would come to a village crusade?

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (06:16):
B village crusade depends on the also preparations. So, you know, one village could said, sometimes we have like a 100,000, even to 20,000 because people are so many, they have never heard about this. That’s why, even if we have Americans and even the fallen preachers, if they can go there, they can have a lot of harvest than in the cities, because people have never heard about even the Americans and with these kind of crusades.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:46):
That’s tremendous. Tell me some more about your church. Tell me the name of your church and, and when you planted it.

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (06:53):
My church is called the Light Worship Center. It was planted now about six years ago. We are in the ones that CT. But before that, I have been working over 25 years in ministry working to plant churches in the villages, but the church is six years old. Now,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:16):
What are some of the big challenges of ministering here in Tanzania? I was talking to one Bishop here in Kahama, and he told me that witchcraft is a big problem here. Do you find that also in the villages,

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (07:31):
In the villages, their headquarters. So which kind of, because most of the witchdoctors, they stay in the villages, they have their homes there. So also sometimes we have the conflict between the Christians and the Muslims. So that’s why sometimes it’s very hard. When we try to reach the Muslims, they have some resistance, they bring some conflicts.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:52):
And so what do you do to overcome that resistance?

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (07:55):
So what we do, we try to make some friendships, some corporations, we have personal friendship with them. We sometimes invite them in some foods. So that’s the key that we try to do. Some of them, most of the leaders of the Muslims, we try to have possible friendships. And then we have some corporations to bring peace in the country.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:20):
When my wife, Jessica came to Tanzania, the main person that she worked with was Bishop Isaiah. And tell me he’s now gone on to heaven. Tell me some of how his ministry impacted you and what you learned from him.

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (08:39):
Actually. Yeah, the late Bishop Zenobia’s Isaiah actually is one of the great men in Mwanza. And also in Tanzania, I remember I knew him since 2000 and we were walking together in his church. He could invite me to train, walk us in this church and also do some evangelism and also some crusades. So when Peter Youngren had a plan for the con for the crusade and conference in Windsor, it was one of the main organizers. And that is why we worked together together with that. Jessica was the coordinator of that meeting. So through him, actually, my ministry had been impacted because of though he was older than me, but he was a good man who was very much encouraging and trying to help the people, even who are not from his nomination.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:39):
I heard that when Corona virus came to this nation, or it was announced that was coming around the world, that your president declared a time of fasting and that Corona virus has not attacked the nation of Tanzania. Tell me about that testimony.

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (10:01):
This is one of the areas whereby which may cause us to love our precedent. And that’s why even recently we had general election and the people I mean, us elected him overwhelmingly because when [inaudible] came here, he declared the free days fasting and the praying all determinations and even with the holiday. So people prayed and even also you participate in the prayers and even after the prayers and then God intervened. And actually he declared, it tends to near as a coroner virus free. And after that I know many people died in, in, in Tanzania and even homeless different. Now we have no money. We have no any cases. So even after that, he declared the three days, Thanksgiving days to thank God for the intervention. So we really thank God for sparing Tanzania from coronavirus. Well, thanks

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:56):
God for a president who declared three days of fasting and prayer, and then three days of Thanksgiving. And thank God for protecting this nation from Corona virus. And it’s amazing because now we are here this week, we are doing a crusade and no one is worried. No one is scared because Jesus is protecting the nation of Tanzania, Bishop Frederick. It’s so wonderful to see you. God bless you. And it’s wonderful to re-ignite this relationship that my wife, Jessica started many years ago, and now I am here and we can be friends.

Bishop Fredrick Andrea (11:32):
Welcome so much to Tanzania. Feel at home. This should not be your last day. When you go back and say hi to your wife, Jessica, she’s really amazing woman of God. And she’s a real, a missionary. She has pioneer spirit. So we welcome you so much to Tanzania. Thank you so much.

Evangelism Podcast Host (11:54):
Thank you Bishop, for more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches, visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

Report from Kahama, Tanzania

At our recent crusade in Kahama, Tanzania a team of students from the Evangelism Bootcamp at Christ for All Nations worked to organize the event. Because of their efforts, a total of 13,457 people filled out decision cards. Today, I interview Joshua Hall, Michael Seth Clifton, and Jacob Ebersole about their experience in Tanzania.

Questions: 

What are some of the biggest challenges of working in Africa?

What are some of the cultural differences between the United States and Africa?

What did you learn from the Evangelism Bootcamp at Christ for All Nations?

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
At our recent crusade in Kahala, Tanzania, a team of students from the evangelism bootcamp at Christ for all nations work to organize the event because of their efforts, a total of 13,457 people filled out decision cards. Today, I interview Joshua Hall, Michael Seth Clifton in Jacob soul about their experience in Tanzania,

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:29):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:06):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. We are excited about telling people about Jesus. I’m here in Coahoma, Tanzania. We’ve just finished a great gospel crusade with Christ for all nations. And there have been a team of people here on the ground working to prepare this for several months, actually. And so today I am joined by three friends, Michael, Seth, Jacob, and Joshua. Welcome you guys. Tell me a little bit about what it’s been like living here in Coahoma and what God has done.

Jacob Ebersole (01:44):
Yes. So my name is Jacob. It’s so good to be with you, Dr. Daniel King. Thank you for inviting us, finding us. I’ve now been in Coahoma, Tanzania for going on four months now and it’s been a privilege and an honor to, to work with fan. I got here four months ago and I started to, to gather all the pastors. I was going from church to church trying to unify the body of Christ leading up to our all pastors meeting. And that’s something I could talk about a little bit later. But my time here has been wonderful. I always say that day by day, week by week, month by month, I fall more in love with this city. These are my people and I love Gahanna. It’s been a privilege. Yeah.

Joshua Hall (02:31):
Yeah. So I, I haven’t, my name is Joshua. I have not been here for three months. Like Jacob, I got here a couple of weeks ago and already I’ve fallen in love with the people of Kahala and the people of Tanzania. It’s been a real privilege to go from church to church. A lot of what I’ve done is promo and in getting ready for the crusade as we were kind of wrapping up all of the work that they’ve been doing for the past several months. So I got to preach in several churches in a, a youth meeting

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:00):
And yeah, already it’s been life changing life altering for me just to be in this whole new place and see the love and passion for Jesus and these people.

Jacob Ebersole (03:09):
Yeah. As soon as Joshua got here, I think you preached in the biggest church with the biggest crowd. It was our, it was our youth event. It was what over. Yeah, it was a big crowd. So we, we, we throw them into the lion’s den pretty quickly.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:26):
So how many people came to the youth event? About 1200, about 1200 and just fresh off the plane you jumped in and had the opportunity to, to speak to to 1200 young people. Many of those young people participated in the crusade. Michael Seth, tell me what a involvement we’ve seen from the local churches here. Has everyone been excited and, and participated and in what God’s doing here in Kahama?

Michael Seth Clifton (03:54):
Yeah. Jacob did a great job of creating unity in the church. I was just inviting everyone. He is a, just a gift for a gift for that. Uit was incredible to see the bishops and the pastors come together. I mean, nothing is ever perfect, but they sacrificed and they came together and they gave of their time. They gave of their efforts in order for the crusade to be successful. And it turned out really well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:21):
So how long have you been here in Kahama?

Michael Seth Clifton (04:24):
Well, I actually came in, in Jacob’s story at the all pastors meeting. So he had been going around delivering letters to hundreds and hundreds of churches and inviting all these bastards and bishops to come together. That was like the first great work of the crusade. And then I came in at all pastors in like September 2nd was our all pastors meeting. That’s when I started, I met all the Bishop, started forming relationships at that point in time. And I’ve just been working on all the different projects that we’ve had for the crusade since then.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:55):
So what are some of the biggest challenges of working in Africa?

Jacob Ebersole (05:01):
Yeah, I would I would say that for the most part it’s been, it’s been really wonderful. There’s a lot of cultural differences, you know, sometimes we Americans, we like to, you know, one step at a time we’d like to pick up the pace. Here in Africa, it can be sometimes a little bit more laid back. So we’ve had to navigate through some of that, but, you know, we’ve had a lot of angels Brett C Peck, our campaign director the executive campaign director. He always says, when you do this, you’ll find angels here and there. And we’ve, we’ve had many of those come, come in to help us. So for the most part it’s been great. But the cultural differences is what we’ve had to navigate through as far as you know, we, sometimes, sometimes we, you know, we want to meet at eight, eight o’clock and, you know, Africa is a little bit different. So if we say eight to them, it’s more like eight 30, eight 45, nine o’clock. So, so you’ve, you’ve got to calculate that as you move forward, but it’s, it’s been great for the most part. Yeah. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:12):
So tell me, what did you, you feel as you started to see the crusade grounds fill up with people because you’ve put a lot of work into it. You’ve worked really hard to make this happen. And then what did you feel as you, as you saw people come onto the crusade grounds and, and the music finally start, and then what emotions did you feel as you saw people raise their hands for salvation and give their lives to Jesus? Yes,

Jacob Ebersole (06:41):
For me the first night was, was life-changing. I, I cried on stage multiple times, walked down behind the stage was in tears. Cause our first night was, was phenomenal. I don’t know. I think we had what, 20,000 plus maybe it was a full, almost a full field. Uit surprised me because the night before I could hardly sleep, my heart was beating out of my chest. Cause I didn’t know if anybody was going to show up,uall of these things go through your mind because you know, I’ve, I’ve been here for four months leading up to this. So I think the one,uone word to sum it up is, is, is tears. Tears were running down my face and it was a beautiful day. Yeah.

Joshua Hall (07:27):
I think for me it was just complete excitement and just seeing all the people come, it’s like all the work that you put into it, it becomes a reality. And you know that so many of these people are going to get saved that night and you’re going to get touched by God and going to get healed. And so for me, I, I dance with the people I sang with the people I got to celebrate and got to rejoice with these guys over what God was going to do. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:52):
What a miracle that you saw really touched you and really impacted you? Because we had lots of miracles every night. Was there one that, that really touched you?

Jacob Ebersole (08:05):
I think it was Saturday night when, when you preached,uthere was this one younger girl that came up and I could tell she had art, she had been touched and you, she couldn’t hear. And so you, you turned her around and you clapped and when you clapped, you would have her clap and you clap once she clapped, once you clap twice, she clapped twice. And as she was going through that process, I saw her break down in tears because this is the first time she could hear this way. And you could just see it all over her face,uhow God had touched her. And it, it, it brought tears to my eyes as well. It was, it was amazing. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:47):
Last night Daniel Kolenda asked you to do the testimony time. What was that like to, to actually have an opportunity to, to interview the people that were testifying and being touched by God, up on the platform?

Jacob Ebersole (09:03):
My two really good friends, Joshua Hall, And Michael Seth

Jacob Ebersole (09:08):
Nominated me to do that, kind of threw me on, threw me under the bus there. But that was my first time doing that. And I learned a lot, it was extremely difficult. It was more difficult than I thought it was going to be, but I had a blast doing it. You know, we had some trouble with security you know, in vetting people that were coming through that got healed. So there was a little bit of chaos off the stage. But I learned that every person that I interviewed, I learned something that I shouldn’t do that I should do. I got advice from you. I got advice from Paul. So it was kind of a, a chaotic situation, but it was, it was definitely something on, I’ll never forget. I think I was up there for what, 20 minutes. Also the band left the stage. So I didn’t have any transition in between but I, I think it was good. I, I, I tried my best and I can’t wait to do it again

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:08):
Next time. You’ll be great. Okay. So that for all three of you, this is your first big crusade. So tell me a little bit about what you thought about crusades now that you’ve seen a big crusade like this. Yeah, I think for me

Michael Seth Clifton (10:31):
Being able to see the ground for the first time I mean it changed my life. What really surprised me was how comfortable I was being in front of all these people. You know, you think in a lot of ways that you’ll be nervous or, or that you’ll feel some kind of a different feeling than when you’re just talking with, with people on the road. But I, I felt so comfortable with the people and they were still responsive. And, and just seeing all the sea of faces, I think for me, it, it, it actually made me more excited for crusades than ever before. I only done one in the past in Bolivia. It was much smaller. So to, so t o see all these people, it was like I was living out what you’ve seen on YouTube and on these videos, it’s like for it to become a reality, it really touched my life. Yeah, that’s good. So, so for me, you know, there’s, there’s some people that criticize crusade evangelism. But what I saw was, you know, if you, if you prep properly people, I mean, people from Monza came to Kahala. People from all different kinds of villages came to Oklahoma from different regions. And if it’s prepped properly and done properly you can really see a region set free. And, and so what I learned is, you know, every face matters. And when I looked out in, into that crowd these are, these are, this is

Jacob Ebersole (11:54):
Generational curses that is going to break all over, come all over Tanzania. And so what I learned is, is, is this, this is probably the most effective way to change a city to change a region to shift nations. And so it just got me more excited to, to do it again and again and again. And it was, it was a life-changing experience all the way through. Yeah. Yeah. I know when I had my first crusade, I got addicted and now I love doing crusades and it’s almost an addiction, hut, but, hhn a good way, a spiritual thing that I’m always anticipating the next one, like when’s the next time I get to preach to people and, and lead them to Jesus. And so, Michael, Seth, what, what are your impressions seeing your first big crusade?

Michael Seth Clifton (12:45):
Let’s see, for me, it’s everything leading up to the crusade is all this preparation. We’re pouring all these efforts into it. And then, you know, even as we pour, you know, our efforts in the work with our hands into it, like our hearts are really involved and just really engaged, our hopes are high. And you know, you struggle through it’s late nights and, you know, early mornings for a long time. So when crusade day comes and you start to see the people like coming, like in streams onto the field, you know, and it’s like, until there just develops this flood of people, like I can’t draw anyone to the crusade. All we can kind of do is like throw a shingle out and pray that the Lord will touch somebody’s heart and that he will draw them. If we lift up the name of Jesus, that, that Jesus will draw.

Michael Seth Clifton (13:34):
And so when you see Jesus really drawing people to the crusade, then you get to see like the unfolding, like glory and goodness of God. And for me, that’s, that’s everything because God’s goodness is so, he’s so amazing. And he’s so wonderful. And so when you get to see that, that tangibleness, like when you see heaven coming to earth and manifesting the glory of God in him touching people’s hearts in a way that we can even see with our, our eyes that that to me is it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s just the best thing in my life. It’s, it’s the joy of my life to see God’s goodness. So all three of you

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:17):
Graduated from the evangelism bootcamp with Daniel Kolenda Christ for all nations, and in the evangelism bootcamp, there was a lot of theoretical instruction in the classroom, and now you have taken that instruction in and put it into practice. So, so what are some of the things that you learned in the evangelism bootcamp that you’ve now really put into practice and you see, wow, my instructors really knew what they were talking about. So the easiest

Michael Seth Clifton (14:52):
One is, is engaging with the crowd is, is getting them to respond to something that you’re doing. So immediately coming out and, and, and waving and saying, hello, if you can hear me in the back, let me see your hands wave. And then also, like, I think when you were doing the call for salvation, you were like, okay, you over there on, in, in the tree or you over there on under the umbrella and things like that, if you can hear me, you know, and it just really engages everybody in, in what you’re doing. So if anybody’s attention to somewhere else there, they’re really focused on the message that you have.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:29):
Yeah. When it comes time for the, the alter call, you don’t want spectators, you want participators in. So some people think it’s just a show and they’re sitting back with their hands folded. And so I try to, to pull them in and say, guys, this is your opportunity to give your life to Jesus. Yeah. I think for me, voice projection was definitely a huge thing. It’s hard to replicate when you’re in a classroom and you have closed walls. And, but we had a whole section in the bootcamp dedicated to learning how to build your voice and push from your stomach and, and really be able to project and then not lose your voice, doing all of these things. So I think once I got in front of all those people, I realized why we train so much for it, because you don’t want to have a weak voice when you’re up there.

Joshua Hall (16:13):
Like it’s so easy to lose the attention of the crowd. And so, and then also connecting with the crowd was another big thing we learned. Even when you came, how do you engage with these people? And, and I think that was probably the biggest thing I learned from the crusade as well, is that this is a sea of individuals. And even being able to hear their testimonies and see God touching specific people like during the salvation prayer, you look, and you see that one person who’s weeping and really feeling the presence of the Lord. And you realize this is not just a group of, of faces it’s it’s individuals there specific people that, that Jesus wants to touch that night. So I think being able to see that the altar call was another big thing in, in bootcamp that I think applied here you don’t realize how dif ficult those can be until you’re really in front of a group of people and they don’t respond.

Joshua Hall (17:05):
And I, I think we all, we all had our initiation here where we’re learning the culture, we’re learning how to engage and you give the altar call and they don’t understand, and they don’t respond. So learning, learning here and, and being on field, I think all of these things have, have been really beautifully applied. So, yeah, so I would echo what both of Michael and Joshua said, you know, the altar call, the sermon prep, the voice projection, all these different things. I mean, it was, it was awesome to learn these things in bootcamp, but I’d like to take it a different route for me, there was a class that Daniel taught, I think it was the one of the last classes and it was on integrity, Melinda, Daniel Kolenda on integrity. And I remember

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:50):
That session, like it was yesterday, it was, it was really life-changing. And I think that has helped me a lot through this whole process. Especially being in a crusade director’s position, integrity matters most. And that, that session, I still have it recorded on my, on my iPhone. And then sometimes I’ll go back to it. It means everything, especially if you’re, if you’re, if you’re leading something, if you’re leading a crusade, if you’re directing something, if you’re over this section or that section, or if you’re doing seminars without integrity and without integrity things fall apart very quickly. And so that’s, that’s something that I learned from that, that session, but it’s also something that I learned watching you, watching Paul Mauer, watching everyone in Christ for all nations. I think without that we have, we have nothing in the ministry. And so that’s, that’s one of the most powerful things I learned.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:37):
Yeah. Yeah. I think that’s actually one of the characteristics of Christ for All Nations that has allowed them to operate at such a tremendously high level for over 40 years now is they have operated with absolute integrity in reporting of numbers, in how they deal with, with people. Because if you don’t have integrity, you can get away with that for like a week or a month, or, you know, one crusade, but word will spread. And so the reason for the success of Christ for all nations is, is that they have maintained a very high standard of integrity throughout their

Michael Seth Clifton (19:24):
Ministry. And then, and, you know, before that class, you know, I had been trying to model integrity for Jacob for awhile. So it was just, it was really great to see him come into his own, you know, after that we had a discussion and, you know, he was a little bit weepy. I was consoling him. Yeah, man, I love you, bro. But I wanted to say that as far as like the bootcamp and like how y’all prepared us can I get a little spiritual for a second? Is that okay? Okay. So I had so even Josh hall and I, we came from like lifestyle Christianity before we came to the evangelism bootcamp and in lifestyle. I mean, I would say that it’s 90%, annointing, you know what I mean? It’s 90% drawing on that and just surfing kind of with the Holy ghost.

Michael Seth Clifton (20:07):
And when I came to the evangelism bootcamp and we started to look at the craftsmanship of preparing sermons and seeing how important that these things were, I was like, Oh no, I was like this entire understanding and way of approaching this thing is so different. And I actually, I had a dream and I was driving a semi-truck right. And so I’ve heard, and I’ve seen it played out this way that, that often these vehicles are, are a sign of ministry. And I pulled up to this this shop and on the outside of the shop, it actually said oral Roberts university. And I looked inside and looked at some stuff. And then when I came back out, my was was a a bicycle. I hope this is going, it’s going somewhere. So my semi, so my semi was a bicycle. And what I understood from the Lord was is that you, before this anointing thing that you’ve been doing has been this big truck, but here’s the thing.

Michael Seth Clifton (21:00):
You have to become a child again. And you’ve got to learn about what ministry is from a completely different perspective, and it’s this education and it’s this craftsmanship. So you’re going to be, you’re going from this, this big truck to this little bicycle, but you need to do it and you need to start over and you need to learn things this way. And I think it’s just a very important message for many of us, because I think the anointing, you know, you, you drag on that, but you just don’t realize how important preparation is. And watching you, even in the way that you interacted with people on the stage, the way that you worked with the band, these details are incredibly important. Like the backstory, the backside of a crusade, like I had no idea, you have no idea, you just figure it all works.

Michael Seth Clifton (21:43):
And that’s just not the case. Like every single detail matters because any place, any little gate that you leave open, something can run through that and can cause a disturbance and can mess things up. So that preparation, whether it be sermon preparation, whether it be the fact that you just don’t want to have any even words that are unnecessary, you really want to know exactly what you’re going to say to get the response that you want to get from the crowd, because salvation is on the line. And I just, that was a completely new perspective for me. And it’s, it’s not just answer it’s foundational.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:18):
Yeah. The Holy spirit can be in the preparation just as much as he is in the moment. And in God’s a planner, he planned the marriage, supper of the lamb, thousands of years before it’s going to take place. He knew, he knows when it’s going to take place. So he’s planning it. And so I think that, that you need the anointing. If you don’t have the anointing, you’re not going to go far, but if you don’t have organization, you’re not going to go far either. And I really think we see this with Christ for all nations, because Reinhardt Bunky was so tremendously anointed, but then you also have the genius of Peter Vandenberg who came and brought organizational structure and, and brought just the, the, the other element that’s needed. And I think that CFAN has gone far because you have both the anointing and the, the organization.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:15):
And what’s really neat. I was talking to Peter Vandenberg the other day in, in, in CFAN is very close to going over the 80 million decision card being filled out Mark. And it may have been, I know he needs to check all the numbers and stuff, but it’s either this week or next week that they’re going to go over that Mark. And so it may have been Kahala that took, see fan over the 80 million market. And I hope it is when they figure everything and add up all the, the final numbers. But isn’t that amazing 80 million decision cards filled out. He said they started recording them. And in 1987. And so since 1987, what a tremendous privilege. And of course, Daniel Kolenda is now going for the decade of double harvest, 150 million souls. They started at 75 million souls. And so now they’re going for, for the double portion.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:15):
And I think that, that you guys are a very important part of bringing in that harvest because it’s going to take an army of evangelists to reap a massive harvest like that. And so let’s finish up the podcast just by praying for the people of Kohala here and praying for the fruit. Jacob, would you like to pray for the precious people of Kahala Lord, we love you so much. We give you all the honor and the glory and the praise. And Lord, I ask that you would continue to work here in Oklahoma, continued to work in all the pastor’s lives, continue to unify them like never before Lord, we thank you for what you did in this crusade. Thousands of people were set free, delivered and healed. Lord Lord. I asked that the heavens would continue to open and rain down on Coahoma, Lord touch every soul touch, every new believer and Lord, if there’s anybody else that hasn’t given their lives to Jesus, Lord, I ask that you would convict their hearts. Save them. Lord Joel, every man, Joel, every woman, Joel, every boy drawl, every girl drawl, every mother, every father to you Lord in Jesus name. I pray.

Joshua Hall (25:33):
Yes, Lord. We thank you for all of the souls that were saved here in this crusade and in these churches and in the streets, father, I ask that you would bless them, that you would keep them Lord, that they would become part of the church and the body of Christ that they would be United. We pray for the churches of Coahoma and of Tanzania. And we ask father that you would unify them, Lord that as they bring in all of these new Christians, would I ask that you would give them wisdom and discernment on how to disciple them? Lord, we pray for all of the people who are healed. We thank you for all of the miracles that you’ve done. Thousands and thousands were healed and were touched by you. So we pray blessings over Coahoma. We pray favor in Jesus’ name.

Michael Seth Clifton (26:20):
Lord, I just thank you for what you’ve done here, Lord, I just thank you, Lord. I want to pray Lord for the shepherds and for the sheep, Lord, Lord, it says in this day, Lord, that will have no need for a teacher, but will be taught by the Lord. So I thank you, Lord, that you would instruct Lord the pastors Lord and how to pastor the sheep, Lord God, and how to raise them up. Lord providing for them, Lord, everything that they need in order to seek and to continue to follow you, to have perseverance in the faith. Lord, ask you for gifts of faith, Lord God, for each of them, Lord, for what can be Lord in their families and in their homes, Lord and in their churches, God coming together. Would you just impart vision to them, Lord vision to the sheep Lord for their lives and for their walk with you vision Lord for the pastors and the bishops Lord for what you want to do Lord in their denominations Lord and in their churches.

Michael Seth Clifton (27:12):
God, I just thank you, Lord God that you would impart Lord your heavenly plans, your blueprints and your ideas. Even showing them Lord bigger things, the greater things that you have for them. Lord God, give I just thank you that they would begin to open their eyes Lord and see Lord what you see even as you see it, Lord God. And I thank you Lord for grace Lord, for them to believe and to begin to take these steps of faith, Lord God, to reap an incredible harvest for you, Lord God, so that they can walk Lord in the good things that you have for them from the foundation of the world, Lord, in the meaning and purpose that you created them for Lord, they can walk in those things, enjoy Lord and bless each other in Jesus name

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Jared Horton | Calling the Lost to Repentance

Jared Horton loves calling those far from God to repentance. He spent three years as a missionary in Nicaragua and now he is traveling the world telling people about Jesus.

Notes: Jared Horton shares his testimony of getting started in evangelism, Missions in Nicaragua, Evangelist Steve Hill’s influence on his life, how God confirmed his call to be an Evangelist, a recap of the 3 week on-field CFAN Bootcamp initiation in Tanzania, calling the lost to repentance and much more.

Website: https://jaredhortonministries.com

Jared was challenged by listening to Evangelist Steve Hill preach over the internet during college.  Jared prayed a prayer and said, “God I will go wherever you send me, I will go to Africa, I will go to China, just use me lord!” The Lord spoke back, “Jared, IS YOUR NEIGHBOR SAVED?”  It was that question that provoked Jared to start sharing the Gospel with those in his community. Eventually he became a full time missionary.

Main points of Jared’s Ministry
  • Calling sinners and those far from God to REPENTANCE.
  • Expecting people to have their own personal ENCOUNTER  with the POWER God and be Baptized in the Holy Spirit.
  • Challenging every believer to keep their eyes focused on ETERNITY.
  • Challenging every  believer to DO SOMETHING for the Kingdom of Heaven.

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Jared Horton loves calling those far from God to repentance. He’s spent three years as a missionary in Nicaragua, and now he’s traveling the world, telling people about Jesus.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:13):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:48):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m here with my special friend, Jared Horton, Jared. It’s great to have you on the podcast. Hey, it’s great

Jared Horton (00:56):
To be here. Thank you for having me on this podcast.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:59):
So tell me a little bit about yourself and about your ministry.

Jared Horton (01:03):
Well, my name is Jared Horton. Have a ministry called Jared Horton ministries and we just preach in churches, help equip them to do evangelism outside the four walls of their church, as well as help in a crusade evangelism. I recently connected with the Christ for all nations and I’m helping them. I actually moved to Orlando and I’m working with a Christ for all nations, helping them produce more evangelists for a vision that evangelist Daniel Kolenda calls the decade of double harvest.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:37):
That’s so exciting. What a tremendous thing that is for the body of Christ to go after millions of souls in this next decade. So tell me some about your, your background and your history in ministry.

Jared Horton (01:51):
Well, I gave my life to Jesus at 15 years old and I begin to begin getting involved in ministry. When I think I was 19 years old, I was listening to Steve Hill preach on the internet. He’s one of the most influential men of God in my life, as far as evangelism goes. And he challenged me through listening to him, preach to start doing things for God. And so I prayed a prayer. I said, God, I want you to use my life. God, if you want me to go to Africa, I’ll go to Africa. If you want me to go to China, God, I will go to China wherever you want me to go, God, that’s where I’ll go. Just speak to me. And I was thinking about, you know, traveling many miles to win people to Jesus, but God spoke back to me and he says, Jared, is your neighbor saved?

Jared Horton (02:46):
And I thought, I don’t know. He says, go see if your neighbor is saved. And so, you know, I grew up in rural Arkansas and in rural Arkansas, you don’t walk to your neighbor’s house, you to your neighbor’s house. So I got my car and w took off down the road and knocked on a man’s door about a mile from my house and never met this man in my life. And he opened the door and he said, can I help you? And I had never done evangelism for it. Didn’t know anything about it. So all the words that could come out of my mouth is I’m Jared. I live about a mile down the road from you. And I want to know, do you know God? He said, he said, well, son, when I was your age, I used to do the same thing you’re doing right now.

Jared Horton (03:34):
But when God turned his back on me, I turned my back on God, this gentlemen was drinking. He was an alcoholic. And he had been through some hard times in his life, but he ended up coming to church on a Wednesday night. He did not accept Jesus, but he did come to church. So my first evangelism encounter resulted in somebody, you know, at least coming to church, I followed up with him and I don’t know if he ever got right with God, but that’s how I got started in evangelism was starting with my neighbor. Yeah. And then

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:06):
You had the opportunity to go down to Nicaragua and to learn Spanish down there. Tell me about the evangelism that you did in, in that part of the world.

Jared Horton (04:15):
Yeah. So after I went through when I, I listened to Steve, he’ll preach a lot. So he talked me into going to school of ministry. I went there for two years and when I graduated from there, I thought what’s next on my agenda.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:30):
You feel that was with the Brownsville revival in that great time of repentance.

Jared Horton (04:35):
Yeah. Brent, Steve Hill preached the Brown hole. Browns of revival lasted five years. My mom and dad went down there, got their lives, radically changed in the year, 1997. So I’m hungry for God, want to do more for God. And I started listening to Steve he’ll preach. And so he talked me in through his preaching to go to his Bible school. So I went to his Bible school for two years. And after those two years, I thought, okay, what’s next? And I remembered a commitment that I made with the ministry at Chi alpha college campus ministry to give one year of my life, to missions and pray about giving my whole life to it. So I contacted a mission sending organization, assemblies of God, and they connected me with a missionary Nicaragua. And I went there and I did, I, I ended up spending three years in Latin America.

Jared Horton (05:22):
I lived in Costa Rica for six months and I learned the Spanish language. And then I lived in Nicaragua for another two and a half years and admissions work. We helped plant a church. I became the youth pastor of a church of about a thousand people. Actually the first church I ever pastored was in my second language in Spanish. So I got to speak the language, learn the language. And 50% of the ministry that I, that I do is in the Spanish language. So it’s yeah, so that’s what we did in Nicaragua. Seen a lot of people get saved, a lot of people baptized and the Holy spirit and it was powerful. And then I from Nicaragua in a year, 2016, I believe.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:03):
And so we are actually in Tanzania right now at the invitation of Christ for all nations, Daniel [inaudible] ministry. The ministry started by Reinhardt Bunky, the great German evangelist. And it is a strategy that Daniel Kolenda has to call. Decapolis going to multiple cities at the same time. And you’ve actually been here for several months working to organize and, and set up everything that’s happening here. And also there has been students from the Christ for all nations evangelism bootcamp that have been here. And I had the privilege of teaching some of them last year, and now they’ve come here and, and been going from school to school marketplace to marketplace, preaching the gospel. Tell me some of the testimonies of what God has done already here in the nation of Tanzania.

Jared Horton (06:55):
Yeah. You know, we had a, we all, there was 50 students that come through the bootcamp and they had to do an initiation. And so a part of them come down and they completed their initiation in three weeks. And I think in those three weeks we saw at least 150,000 people give their life to Jesus. And even more, there are still bootcamp students on the ground preaching in schools, in different places. And I think we’ve succeeded the number of 200,000 people. That’s given their life to Jesus since they’ve been here. But basically the, the bootcamp students that come through the bootcamp, graduated on the initiation. What they guide to do is they got to put in practice what they’ve learned and not just put in practice what they learned, but they also was able to receive feedback on their ministry. We would take them out to a place, put them on a gospel truck, preach in a marketplace and they would preach the gospel message.

Jared Horton (07:54):
And then we would give them feedback. You know, one thing that is different about the Christ foundation’s bootcamp that I’ve seen from any other school of ministry that I’ve been a part of is that, you know, you don’t just, they don’t just graduate them and then send them off and say, okay, have a great ministry. We actually get the, we put them on the field and then we give them feedback and we’re, we’re we’re with them. We help walk them through this call, you know, where God’s called him to be an evangelist. And it’s really cool. I’ve just seen I’ve seen in a full written, and I shared this with you at breakfast this morning, but I I’ve seen and a full RITI and a soup, something supernatural has come up on those that have graduated. You know, they say the anointing is not taught.

Jared Horton (08:40):
It’s caught and I’ve just, I’ve seen it. And you can see it like in the spirit. It’s nothing that you can’t see it in the flesh. It’s just something you can tell. But these students are walking in a supernatural authority that I believe they, they caught being at the bootcamp, just being there with an open heart, open mind, you know, the, the mantle of evangelists Reinhard bunkie, and then even evangelist Daniel Kolenda is just powerful, but something has gotten on these students and they’re walking in great authority and doing powerful things for God. There were great miracles as well. We seem blind eyes open. There was a lady at one meeting. She had a tumor on her chest. And during the prayer time, I watched this miracle, this lady, you could see her face. She something was happening. She kept rubbing her, rubbing her, her chest area. And it got done and we asked what happened. And she said she had a tumor and it disappeared during the prayer. So, you know, those are the kinds of things that’s taken place through the bootcamp graduates.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:40):
So you’ve actually been coaching some of these young evangelists. Tell me, what does that coaching look like?

Jared Horton (09:47):
Well, they, they preach the gospel. They get up there and preach. And one thing that I try to do when they’re preaching is I try to listen for that crystal clear gospel message. And so sometimes you hear it and sometimes you don’t. And so sometimes when you don’t really hear a crystal clear gospel message, you just kinda have to give some feedback. You know, you could have, could have said this. She could have got through this a little quicker and just try to help them restructure their message to where the gospel message comes across really clear.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:21):
Jared, you’re a great evangelist. You’ve been preaching the gospel, many different parts of the world. What would you say to someone who feels called to be an evangelist? What should they do

Jared Horton (10:32):
If you feel called to be an evangelist? Number one, I would say, take the steps necessary to see that call fulfilled. It’s one thing to have a call of innovators. There are many people that say I’m called to be an evangelists. And one day God is going to use me. I know one day it’s going to be powerful. The Lord has shown me how many people I’m going to win to Jesus. It’s going to be amazing. And you say, well, what are you? What are you doing about that? Well, I, I, I don’t know, but I know that one day God is going to use me. Here’s what you need to do. If you have a call on your life to be an evangelist, you need to go tell somebody about Jesus. Just like I did. I did not. Daniel. I didn’t know that I was called to be an evangelist until it was 150% confirmed for me in the year, 2018. Okay. This is year 2020.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:38):
So only two years ago that you knew for sure, you’re called to be an Evangelist?

Jared Horton (11:40):
With out a doubt. And I could walk in that confidence that this is what I’m supposed to do. Now. People had told me that for years, you’re an evangelist. You’re an evangelists, but there was, and I could go through the stories, but I had about four encounters with God when I was in my home. And I’ll, I’ll just share one, very try to be brief. I was listening to Steve Hill breach and as he was preaching on YouTube in the year 2004, I was watching a video on 2011. And he was talking about how God had spoken to him to charts to start a church in Dallas, Texas. He said, out of this church, I’m going to start a school of ministry. I’m going to start a school of ministry. He said, and I, he said, and God told me, he said, Steve, I want you to duplicate yourself.

Jared Horton (12:30):
And I kid you not. I was watching a YouTube video. I was not worshiping Jesus. I was not going after God. I was just watching YouTube video, almost drinking a Pepsi and eating popcorn. And I was just in my own normal non worship atmosphere. But when he said that, he said, Steve, I want you to duplicate yourself. The power of God came down from heaven and knocked me off the back of the stool that I was sitting on. And I fell out on the ground and just begin to groan for like 20 minutes something supernatural happened. And that happened to me again in 2015, when I was in Nicaragua, Steve Hill, he was watching him preach on the internet. And he said, I’m asking Jesus for thousands of evangelists. And God is starting to answer my prayer. And when he said that, the power of God hit me again.

Jared Horton (13:28):
Another time I was in my house in Fayetteville, Arkansas, I’d come back from the mission field. I was watching him preach and the power of God hit me again. And some other times, but in 2000, in April, 2018, I went to the school of evangelism and Michael kuleana Rose was preaching. And he said, everybody on the front row stand up, we all stood up. He said, he any prayed for us. And he came around with the microphone. He said, what are you feeling? What are you feeling? What are you feeling? Did a little interview. And he gets to me and he says, what are you feeling? And before I could answer, he pulls the microphone back and he says, hold on. He said, I know everybody here thinks they’re an evangelists. He said, but you’re a real advantage. You’re a genuine evangelist. And the power of God hit me.

Jared Horton (14:11):
And I vibrated for about 45 minutes while he was preaching under the power of God after that moment. And all those encounters when Steve Hill was preaching, talking about raising up advantages. I think I finally got it. Daniel. I think I finally got to figure it out, okay. This is what I’m called to do no doubting. So if you are called to be an evangelists, God will confirm it. He will make it clear to you. And I would say, don’t stop. I know there’s many people. You’re not sure if you’re called friends, just go forward. If you are called to be an evangelist, if you have a burning desire in your heart to win souls, if you’re telling people about Jesus and you’re doing things, you know, are real, evangelists is not going to sit home and say, one day God’s going to use me. The fact is, is that person may not really be an evangelist. I don’t know. Or maybe it’s the evangelists that if you don’t go, you’re not an evangelist. You just need to get up and go do something. And for me, I think my evangelism started whenever God spoke to me and he says, Jared is your neighbor saved. And so I went and talked to my neighbor and then it’s just been history every since then.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:25):
That’s awesome. I think it’s really cool to see the influence of Steve Hill upon your life, how the anointing that was on his life somehow got caught by you. Just, just watching those videos and seeing the passion. And I believe that as people listen to this podcast and listen to you, that, that, that same anointing that’s on your life for evangelism will fire them up. So just pray for everyone who’s listening that God would use them in a mighty way.

Jared Horton (15:53):
Amen. Amen, father, I just thank you for every person that is listening. God, Lord, I pray for those God that are just struggling. Oh God, am I called me in evangelists? Am I not? You know, God, what is my part in the body of Christ? God operate that you would make it clear. God and Lord, just as Steve Hill prayed that prayer. And he said, I’m asking God for thousands of evangelists, God, we need more evangelists in this world today. I pray God that you would wake up that gift of an evangelist in their life. Maybe there’s somebody listening today that maybe, maybe you don’t know, God, maybe you’ve never accepted Jesus to be your Lord and your savior today. We’re talking about evangelism, friends. You, you would find so much joy. If you would give your life completely to God and do something that’s out of this world that will have eternal value.

Jared Horton (16:48):
I would encourage you to give your life to Jesus today, ask him to come into your heart. Be your Lord. Be your savior, be your best friend. And he will give you a life that is very joyful. Maybe you’re listening and you’re in your backslidden. Maybe you’re away from God. Maybe you’ve just came across this and he’d say, well, evangelism, I I’ve told people about Jesus before, but now I’m away from God friends. You can come back to Jesus today and get an interesting life back again. Friends live in, in the world, living in the sin. It sounds fun, but it’s really boring. You come home every night, you’re depressed. You’re sad. You don’t like the decisions you’re making. That’s boring. If you’ll give your life completely to Jesus, he’ll make your life exciting again. And so I just pray God that everybody listening in Jesus’ name, that you would call them to you and God that you would just raise up these laborers. The Bible says the harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few. I God, that the laborers would rise up and I encourage every one of you to go tell somebody about Jesus today. We bless the evangelists and we just pray the hand of God. Be upon all of them. And may we all, as Christians, pastors, teachers, profits, everything apostles, may we all do the work of an evangelist in Jesus name? Amen. Amen. Thanks for being on the podcast.

Evangelism Podcast Host (18:19):
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