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Apologetics in Evangelism | Daniel King

This week I was invited to be a speaker at the Virtual Connect Summit by the Global Network of Evangelists (GNE), a ministry organized by the ministry of Luis Palau. They asked me to speak on “Apologetics in Evangelism.” I share from my book “Proof God is Real.”

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Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Hello, this is evangelist Daniel King. And today I want to talk to you about the use of apologetics in evangelism. This week, I was invited to be a guest speaker at the virtual connect summit, organized by the global network of evangelists, a ministry that is under the ministry of Louise. Palauan great evangelists from Argentina. And so they asked me to put together this session on apologetics and evangelism, and I thought I would share it with you today.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:32):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:08):
Hello, I’m evangelist Daniel King, and I am so excited to join you for this virtual connect summit. I’m actually recording this a few days early because in this moment, while you’re watching this, I’m actually on a plane. I’m headed to the nation of Malawi to join hands together with a global network of advanced de-list the GNE. And we’re going to be doing festivals in the nation of Malawi. I’ll be joining Desmond Henry Allen green is there. And of course, Andrew Palau will be coming for a great festival in the city of Blantyre. And I’m so excited for this opportunity to collaborate with other evangelists, all of us participating together in order to hold this historic event for the nation of Malawi. So over the next three weeks, if you could pray for these outreaches in Malawi, we would appreciate it so much. I’ve been asked today to speak about the subject of apologetics in evangelism.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:16):
And this is a subject that is very important to me. I just finished writing a book called proof. God is real in this book is an apologetics book, but really the throbbing heart of this book is my passion for evangelism. I’ve been involved in evangelism my whole life when I was five years old as called by God into the ministry. Then when I was six, I preached my first sermon. When I was 10 years old, my parents became missionaries in the country of Mexico. And throughout my teen years, we would do lots of children’s evangelism on the streets of Ciudad Juarez, right across the border from El Paso, Texas. We’d run through the streets with flyers, knocking on doors, inviting all the kids to come and we’d fill churches up with these kids. And then when I was 15 years old, I was reading a book about how to be a success in life.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:10):
And this book, it was talking to businessmen. It said, if you really want to be successful, you need to set a goal to make $1 million before the age of 30, become a millionaire before the age of 30. But I realized that because of my upbringing as a missionary in Mexico, that money was not what was important to me. What was important was souls. And so at the age of 15, I wrote down this goal on a piece of paper, I wrote, I Daniel King want to leave 1 million people to Jesus. Before I turned 30 years of age, instead of trying to become a millionaire, I wanted to lead a million heirs into the kingdom of God. And so God started opening up doors in different nations. While I was still in college at oral Roberts university, I began to travel to different nations. And I’m excited to tell you that before I turned 30 years of age, I had the privilege of leading a million people to Jesus in a salvation prayer.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:08):
And then in the year, since then we have now hit our second million and I was praying and asking God, what comes next? And I felt like God say Daniel go for a million souls every single year. So in the natural, that may seem impossible, but with God, all things are possible. So I’m passionate about leading people to Jesus. And a lot of our great gospel festivals have been in Africa, in Latin America and Asia. And we see people walk several days in order to get to our festival sometimes in Africa, for example, but I also have a heart and a passion for reaching people here in the United States. And I noticed that one of the spirits that has really captured so many hearts and minds here in the United States is the spirit of atheism. And I’ve really been praying and asking God gone, how can we reach people who are being attacked by this spirit of atheism?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:15):
And I think the answer to that is in the area of apologetics. That’s why I wrote this book proof. God is real. When I was still a teenager, my family went on a missions trip down to the nation of Jamaica. I remember we were doing a kind of a small festival all day long, were running through the neighborhoods, inviting people to come to the festival. And at the end of the day, we were hot. We were tired. We were exhausted. We were so sweaty because Jamaica is a very tropical nation. We just wanted to come back to the hotel, take a shower and get in bed. But when we got back to the hotel, there was a big problem. All the water in the hotel had been shut off. And so we didn’t know what to do, but someone in the group was a smart missionary.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:05):
They said, let’s go down to the swimming pool and let’s just take a bath in the swimming pool. So that’s what we did. We went down to the swimming pool. We took some soap and shampoo and we’re, we’re swimming in the Shamp in the swimming pool, just renting off. When, off on the edge of the swim pool, I noticed that there was a panel that was smoking and I thought to myself, panels are not supposed to smoke. And so I swam over to investigate this smoking panel and there were sparks coming out of it and everything. And as I’m looking at it suddenly the light that was under the water, it shocked my leg and it scared me because you can die from electricity in a pool. And so immediately this whole side of my body went numb. I managed to pull myself out of the pool and I was walking away, thanking God so much that I didn’t die in that pool.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:57):
And I was about six steps away from the pool. When suddenly I remembered that all of my friends were still in the pool and immediately I became very concerned for their safety. I, I rushed back over to the pool and I started yelling at guys, guys, get out of the pool. You’re going to die if you stay in the pool. There’s electricity. I, I got shocked. Well, I was only a teenager. My friends thought that I was just playing a practical joke. So they laughed at me, but I was serious. The guys guys get out of the pool. You got to get out of the pool right now. It shot me. It’s the electricity could kill you. And so I started even grabbing some people by the hair and pulling them out of the pool. And there were still a few more that wouldn’t get out.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:39):
And if I went over there and talked to them and I showed them the smoking ban, and I said, guys, it shocked me. If you stay in the pool, it could be a dangerous situation. So finally, I rescued everyone from the swimming pool and thank God, no one died that day. But right then God spoke to me and he says, Daniel, you need to have the same passion saving people from hell as used, showed, saving your friends from that swimming pool. You see a lot of people, they get so excited that they got saved. They walk away say, thank you God so much for saving me, but they forget that there is a world full of people out there who are dying and going to hell. And so thank God that you’re saved. Thank God that I’m saved, but let’s not forget about this world full of atheist.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:30):
People who don’t even believe in God, people who are denying the existence of God. And if they die in their sin, they will spend eternity separated from God. And so we need to have passion to go and reach it. Someone said that Christianity is simply one starving man who found bread going and telling all the other starving people where they can find bread. And so thank God we have the bread of life. We have the word of God. We have the answer for a world that is starving without God. And so I wrote proved God is real. And it really comes from one verse in the Bible. Let me read you that verse right now in Hebrews 11, verse six, it says without faith, it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:31):
And so I’ve been watching YouTube and I noticed that there are a lot of videos of atheists on YouTube that are actively trying to proselytize and, and bring people into atheism. And I was thinking, you know, we need to do something as a church to, to combat this spirit of atheism. And I started thinking like, what are the three greatest questions that our generation is asking today? And I came up with a long list of questions, many different questions that people are asking, but I decided that the three greatest questions are these three questions. Question number one is God. There is God. There is there really a God. The second great question. If there is a God who’s out there, does he care about me? Does God care? And then if you decide that there is a God in that he does care about me as an individual.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:34):
The third great question is, do I dare to follow him? So is God there does God care? And do I dare to follow him? And what’s really interesting is that all three of these questions are answered in this verse, Hebrews 11, six. First of all, this verse tells us that he exists. Yes, God is there. Second. This verse tells us that God rewards those who earnestly seek him. This tells me that God does care about me as an individual. And third, this verse tells us that without faith, it is impossible to please God. So this tells me that I must dare to trust him for my salvation. So is God there does God care? And do I dare to follow him? I said, so I started asking these questions and in studying, looking for answers to these questions. And it really came because of a mother that I met at a small church in Missouri.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:47):
I was preaching at this church and after I was done preaching, this mother came up to and she had tears in her eyes and she’s, she grabbed me by the hand. And she says, Daniel, could you please pray for my son? It’s desperate. Well, I thought her son was sick. He needed healing or something. So I said, tell me what’s wrong with him? And I’ll pray for him. And you see she, she went with and her boy, she says, my son has become an atheist. He was raised in the church. He heard all the Bible stories and Sunday school. He knows about Joseph and the coat of many colors. He knows about Jonah and the whale, but he moved down to Austin, Texas, and he got involved with this group of atheists. And now he says that he is an atheist and he even started a blog where he’s telling other people about atheism and recording videos about atheism.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:42):
And she said, please, could you pray for my son? And of course I reached out my hand. We, we, we grabbed hands together and I began to pray for her son. And then at the end of the prayer, she said, if I give you his phone number, will you call him? And of course I said, yes. And so she gave me his phone number. I called him the next day. And we had several long conversations even emailing back and forth about the questions that atheists are asking. And honestly, I didn’t really have all the answers to the questions that he was bringing up. And so, because of that, I started to study apologetics and I’ve got a big bookshelf now, full of great books about apologetics and just looking for different ways to provide an answer for the hope that is within me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:40):
And, and so, as I began to study all these books, I took all of these answers to these questions that atheists are asking, and I put them together in this book arranged under these, these three big questions is God, there does God care. And, and do I dare to follow him? And then just a couple of years ago, there was an atheist convention right here in Oklahoma. They, they say that Oklahoma is the buckle of the Bible belt. And so one day I was driving down the highway and I saw a huge billboard and it was advertising this atheist convention right here in my state that has churches on every single corner. And I said, wow, this spirit of atheism is aggressive and strong. And we need to do something to reach people who are atheist or who are skeptical about the things of God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:39):
And so I decided to go to the atheist convention and I went, I sat, I listened to everything that they were saying, sat in on all the sessions. And after words, I wrote up a blog post about what I had seen and heard at the atheist convention and, and my, my website isn’t that big, you can check it out. King ministries.com, K I N G king ministries.com. And normally I don’t get a lot of traffic on my blog posts you know, get a few dozen or a hundred people looking at a typical blog post. But when I posted this blog post about this atheist convention in just a few days, I had over 14,000 views, all atheist looking at this and commenting on it. And I probably got several hundred comments. People were mad, they’re cussing at me. They were angry about what I said about atheism, but I, I saw that there, there really is this tremendous need for Christians to reach out to atheists.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:50):
You know, I think I was the only Christian that went to that atheist convention. Well, I think that there should be dozens of Christians there interacting and having conversations with atheists. I also started to follow a bunch of atheists on Twitter and looking at what they’re saying, listening to their concerns. And, and a lot of what they’re saying is, is mocking Christianity mocking the religious beliefs of of different groups, but there is a core to it that I think the church really needs to listen to in, in our society. I think one of the biggest problems that we’re facing is this spirit of, of skepticism, this spirit of atheism that is attacking. And so I, after doing several years of research and writing and everything, I, I put together this book proof God is real and I have it available as a steady guide.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:55):
And as a book, it’s, it’s up on Amazon, you can find it by typing proof. God is real by Daniel King on Amazon. And it’s these three big questions is God there. And so I want to just give you a little bit of the information about the book. We don’t have time right now to, to cover everything in the book. And of course, there’s lots of great apologetics books out there, but I’d really like to encourage you to, to start looking for ways to reach out to our society. How are we going to reach atheist with a gospel? How are we going to interact with skeptics? How are we going to deal with our generation today? I find that sometimes Christians are really busy answering a lot of questions that is asking you go to church and they preach different sermons, different topics. And it’s not really answering the questions that people are asking.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:00):
You know, how are we going to reach people? I think we need to, as evangelists, we need to become solid in the study of apologetics. Now, sometimes people ask like, like, what is apologetics? Is that apologizing? For, for what we believe and apologetics is, is not in a apology apologetics is a tool that we can use to help to reach people. So the, the word apologetics comes from the Greek word Apologia, which means to give a reasoned response. And this word is found seven times in the new Testament. We find it in acts 22, 1 X, 25, 16 five more times. And it doesn’t mean to make an apology. It means to give a defense. And so someone has described apologetics as the frontline of the battle for people’s souls. And so before you can answer the questions of how do we deal with sin?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:18):
We have to start with the fact that there is a God, is there a God? Well, if someone doesn’t believe that there’s a God, they’re not going to care about Jesus being the son of God or Jesus dying on the cross or paying the price for our sins. I mean, first we have to establish the fact that there is a God and Isaiah one verse 18, Isaiah says, come now let us reason together in acts 19 verse eight, it says that the apostle Paul went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God. And so really apologetics is how we reason with people about the things of God. It’s how we persuade people to come to a realization that there is a God. And so sometimes there is a place for strong preaching and in calling people to repentance.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:17):
But often we need to sit down, listen to what people are saying and offer a reasoned response. And we can do that reason response through social media, through YouTube, through various different methods of reaching out to people in person sitting down at a coffee shop. But I think if you’re going to be an evangelist, if you’re called by God to be an evangelist, you should become proficient in the steady of apologetics. So in this book, proof, God is real. I narrowed down to seven proofs for the existence of God. So the first great question is God there. So I talk about the cosmological proof. So the cosmological proof is that premise a everything that exists must have a cause. Premise be this cause must be a great causer premise. See the only cause or great enough would be God in the conclusion, therefore God exists.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:24):
So the cosmological proof is the proof from cost. So let me give you an example of, of how this works in everyday life. So imagine that you, you have a group of friends and that you’ve got Sarah and Mary and Luke and a group of people. And so Sarah is a little cold and she wants a jacket. So she turns to her friend, Mary and says, Mary can you, can I borrow your jacket? And Mary says, yes, of course you can borrow my jacket, but, but I don’t have one with me. Let me ask Luke for a jacket. So she turns to Luke and Mary asks, Luke and Luke says, no, I don’t have a jacket, but let me ask my other friend Samuel so-so, Luke turns to Samuel and then Samuel turns to Paul and they, they keep asking for jackets, but nobody in the group has a jacket.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:22):
So Sarah can never receive a jacket because what you have is this group of borrowers. Everyone wants to borrow from someone else, but in order for someone to get a jacket, someone must first have a jacket to lend. You must have a first lender of the jacket. And so the same is true about the universe. Everything in the universe is caused. I can lift this book up and, and drop it. It falls on the desk. Well, the sound that comes is caused by the book falling, and I’m lifting it up and that’s what caused it to fall. That’s what caused the sound. Well, what caused me something had to have caused me. Well, my mom and dad gave birth to me and that’s what caused me. And it goes all the way back. And it’s this, this idea of what came first, the chicken or the egg.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:22):
So everything in the universe has a cause in that causer must be a great causer and that great causer is the one that we call God. Another proof that God is real is the tele illogical proof. This is evidence from design. If I was walking through the forest, I found my cell phone laying on the forest floor, and I never seen one before, but I picked it up and turned it on and started scroll through it and saw pictures and stuff. And wow, this is amazing. And then if I opened up the back of my cell phone, I’d see lots of intricate, little tiny pieces of electronics and battery parts. And it would be obvious that this cell phone was designed by a great designer. Steve jobs had the idea to make the apple cell phone and he put a lot of work into designing it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:27):
And there’s thousands of pieces inside a typical iPhone. But, you know, there are thousands of pieces of information in a strand of DNA. And it is obvious by looking at creation that everything that we can see was designed by a great designer in this great designer is the one that we call God. We also deal with the ontological proof, which would be proved from abstract reasoning. If you’re locked up in a room and it was totally dark, you couldn’t feel anything. And all you could do was think, could you prove that there’s a God? And the answer is yes. We also have the morality proof evidence from our sense of right and wrong. So premise a, if God does not exist, objective moral values do not exist. Premise be objective, moral values do exist. Conclusion, therefore God exists. And so the sense inside of us that there is right and wrong proves that there is a great moral law giver in this universe.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:43):
And that moral law giver is God. And so we can prove that God is there by our sense of right and wrong. And in everyone in our generation can see that there are things that are happening that are wrong. People are mad at, at racism. They’re mad at human trafficking. They’re mad at war. And they’re wondering why does this great evil and injustice exists in the world? And actually the fact that we know that these things are wrong, prove that there is a God who gives us an objective moral value of what is right and wrong. We also have scriptural proof evidence from the Bible. So the Bible says that God exists and we can see that the Bible is trustworthy when we begin to study it, therefore we can, that God exists. I also deal with proof from miracles. I’m an evangelist who believes that God is alive.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:54):
That Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever in the same miracles that Jesus did 2000 years ago, he can do today in, in many of our great festivals, we have seen God do great miracles. I was in the nation of Ethiopia a couple of years ago, and there was a man whose name was Mohammed. And he was a cripple and not many people came the first night of our festival. And it was because when our team went and put up posters, there was a team of Muslim, young people that came behind us and they were tearing the posters down from the walls. And in this, this group of Muslim youth, they actually started a fight and they threw a brick through the front windshield of our publicity vehicle. And the police were called. And they said that our guys had started the fight, which is ridiculous because why would we throw a brick through our own windshield?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:48):
And 17 of our Ethiopian team members were thrown into jail and we had to get a lawyer to get them out. And so then the first night of the festival, there weren’t many people in that area. Ethiopia is about 30% Muslim and the area that we were ministering in had a high concentration of Muslims. And, and so none of them were there. So I pray say, God, you have to do something. And so then on the second night of the festival, there’s man Muhammad, the cripple came and Jesus touched Mohammed, the cripple, and he lifted his crutch up into the air. And he began to run back and forth. He came up on the platform and he lifted his crutch into the air. And he said, Jesus healed me. Jesus healed me. And I said, what’s your name? He said, my name is Mohammad.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:32):
And instantly everyone knew that he was a Muslim. And so word began to spread that Jesus was healing Muslims, and that the next night, the crowd size doubled. And then the next night it doubled again. And then the next night, it double again, by the last night we had over 55,000 people in that place, many of the Muslim coming to hear about Jesus for the first time. And they came because of the miracle that God did in the life of this man named Mohammed. And so miracles can help us prove that God is real. You can’t argue with someone who has an experience of a miracle inexperience, we’ll be in argument any day of the week. And so when, when people begin to see God do miracles, they trust that God is real. And then of course we have redemptive proof for God’s existence. God has done great miracles in my life.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:31):
And without God, I know that I would be a horrible person. So God is there. Then this book deals with the question does God care. And I believe that the, that the proof that God cares is in the life of Jesus, the birth of Jesus proves that God cares the life of Jesus proves that God cares the death of Jesus proves that God cares. And the resurrection of Jesus proves that God cares for you as an individual. And so people are asking questions about whether Jesus really existed, whether he really lived, whether he really rose from the dead and this book answers those questions. And then the third grade question, do I dare to follow him? This, this book goes into the details of Pascal’s wager and lots of other great ways to ask people to dare to follow Jesus. And so I encourage you. If you want to learn more about apologetics, get a copy of this book proof, God is real. It’s available on amazon.com and you can also get the study guide to help you go through it. So prove God is real by Daniel King. And I pray that God would use you in a tremendous way to use apologetics, to bring atheists and skeptics to Jesus Christ. Check out my website, king ministries.com. Give me your email address and I’ll send you a free book. God bless you and have a great day.

Evangelism Podcast Host (31:09):
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Helping Ministers Prepare for Retirement | Ryan Lawrence

Ryan Lawrence is a financial advisor who has a heart to help ministers. In this episode of the Evangelism Podcast he explains why it is important for ministers to start planning for retirement at a young age. He gives some practical tips that will help you prepare for your future and give you options as you complete the calling God has on your life.

Here are some of the questions I ask Ryan Lawrence:

Why is it important for a minister to think about retirement?

Why does it important to start thinking about retirement when you are still young?

What do you say to ministers who never plan to retire?

Is it a lack of faith to put money aside for the future?

What are some of the steps that ministers need to take to prepare for retirement?

  1. Get out of debt
  2. Build an emergency fund
  3. Put 3-4 months worth of income in savings
  4. Put 15% of your income into investments
  5. Pay off your house
  6. Get Life Insurance
  7. Open up an investment account.
  8. Budgeting

Should a minister pay social security?

What are some of the vehicles that allow a minister to save for the future?

  1. 401K – Pre-tax investing
  2. 403-B if you work for a ministry
  3. 457 Plan – a church or a ministry can put funds directly into a fund.
  4. IRA
  5. Roth IRA – tax free mutual fund
  6. 529 Account for School Tuition

If you have more questions about preparing for retirement, contact Ryan Lawrence: ryan.lawrence@nm.com

For more advice for the evangelist, call Evangelism Coach Daniel King, 1-877-431-4276.

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Ryan Lawrence is a financial advisor who has a heart to help ministers. In this episode of the evangelism podcast. He explains why it is important for ministers to start planning for retirement at a young age, he gives some practical tips that will help you prepare for your future and give you options as you complete the calling God has on your life.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:27):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:03):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And I also love helping evangelists and other ministers prepare for what God has called them to do. And so today I have a very special guest with me. Ryan Lawrence is a financial advisor who specializes in helping ministers prepare for retirement. Ryan, thank you so much for joining me today. Thank

Ryan Lawrence (01:34):
You for having me, Daniel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:35):
I think it’s really important for ministers to start thinking about retirement early on. Can you tell me a little bit about your, your background and how you have helped ministers?

Ryan Lawrence (01:50):
Absolutely. Well, it really started many years ago. Like most people when I graduated from college, I just felt like I wanted to do really whatever God had called me to do whatever the Lord had asked me. And when I married my wife, she’s a pastor’s daughter and a lot of the people that I knew at the time and a lot of the people that I became acquainted with were many ministers and got to know several in that group over the years, ask myself the question, what is it that I feel called to do with my life? Since I’m surrounded by so many people that are in ministry and my family and a lot of my relationships and the more I would pray and seek the Lord about what I needed to do, the more he kept leading me back into business, back into sales, back into just into the the areas of course that many people would say weren’t really ministry, but the longer I prayed and the longer I sought the Lord and obeyed, I just these opportunities kept opening up.

Ryan Lawrence (02:51):
I mean, I even tried a few times to dip my toe in the water of ministry. I taught Sunday school and I was horrible at it. I tried to do a lot of things to kind of open the doors, people would say, and it just wasn’t where God had called me. But the longer that I pursued and just you know, line upon line precept upon precept steps of a good man are ordered. He just kept opening doors more and more doors for me to be in business. And I started to understand why later, when I got into financial planning and I started meeting with a lot of these people that I knew and realized that they had never met with a financial advisor. It didn’t matter if they were new to ministry. It didn’t matter if they’d been in ministry for 30 years, many of them for whatever reason, either just felt uncomfortable, didn’t know who to ask. So it was something that very few of them had even broached the subject on.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:44):
So imagine that you’re sitting down with a young evangelist, someone who has a call from God on their life, and they are giving 110% to the kingdom of God. They’re pouring every single moment of their life into reaching people for Jesus. This evangelist is raising money to go do crusades. And it takes every bit of faith that takes that he has in order to, to pull off every crusade. And he’s young. What advice would you give him at this stage in his ministry to prepare for his future as a financial advisor? What would you say to him? Well,

Ryan Lawrence (04:29):
The first requirement that I have when I’m meeting with somebody is not necessarily how much money they ha they earn, or how much money they have it’s do they care about their family? And the answer is, of course, yes, they do. Of course, no matter how ambitious they are you know, for their calling, I know they care about their family. Usually it’s just something that has to be presented to them as one of the things that they’re going to do in order to be a success with their life. You know, we know the verse, we know the the example where Jesus said, listen, if you’re going to give you don’t have to give the full loaf away. You, you, he only asked you to give one of your coats away, not both of them. And he doesn’t ask you to give the full loaf. So there’s, there’s the other half of the loaf that’s meant for you. And of course, he says that because he wants you to take care of yourself and your family. And we feel very strongly that God doesn’t love you more as an evangelist. If you sacrifice everything that you have and die broke or a missionary or anyone else administry there, there certainly is a precedent that says we can do all of those things and do it the right way.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:34):
So why do you think that it’s important for a minister to start thinking about his finances and to start thinking about retirement? Well, yeah,

Ryan Lawrence (05:43):
We want to have options when you get to a certain point in life. And, and I, I mentioned that I married a pastor’s daughter and of course I know for a fact that he was a minister who took the time to learn these things. His board took the time to help him prepare. And when he got to the point where he was ready to retire, he had options. He didn’t have to keep working because financially he was required to, he decided to continue as ministry, but really focus on the areas that he wanted to do because the finances, weren’t a huge pressure at the time. And that’s something that I think allows people options when they get to that point a for themselves and also for their family, because sometimes retirement is about helping you in your latter years. And sometimes it’s about helping your family and what you leave behind as a legacy. So there there’s, there’s always going to be more options when we decide to set aside and do things the right way. Now,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:39):
I think some ministers have the mentality that they’re never going to retire. They’re just going to refire. They’re never going to get out of the ministry. They’re just going to step into eternity. And it’s easy to think that way when you’re 20, 30 years of age, but sure. Later on you want to have options, as you say. And so why do you think it’s important to start thinking about retirement while someone is still at a young age?

Ryan Lawrence (07:08):
Well, that’s the best time to think about it because Albert Einstein said that compounding interest is one of the great mysteries of the universe. And what that simply means is that the, the younger you start on a plan and the more that you’re not even huge numbers, but the more you’re able to divert a little bit of money in the right direction, the more it’s going to pay back huge dividends later in life. And there’s people right now that are in their twenties that I tell them, look, you know, you’re probably not going to stop working until you’re in your seventies. That’s just the real direction. That’s a, if we’re going to live to be in our nineties, we’re probably going to work until, you know, 72, 73. So, you know, when you have 50 years to do it the right way, it’s amazing what can happen if you just make little tiny adjustments. I mean, there’s plenty of analogies about for example, when a plane takes off in Tulsa and he’s, he’s flying you know, thousands of miles away, if he starts to deviate from his path early on, then by the time he gets to his destination, he’s going to be way off his path. Of course, we also know that when we’re young, if we make those small incremental adjustments to our budget to allow us to happen, it can produce great results.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:17):
What would you say to the, to the minister who might say that it feels like a lack of faith in God to set aside money to the future, say, let’s just worry about today that tomorrow take care of itself. What would you say to those who feel that preparing for the future might indicate a lack of faith in God’s ability to prepare?

Ryan Lawrence (08:37):
Well, I’ve never well, for first off, I mean, the fact that the Bible promises that somebody will all die you know, there, there is a certain there’s a certainty to that, that we know that if we’re going to die, it’s, it’s really wise to have certain things in place like life insurance. But, you know, the administrator of the day I met at a breakfast told me he was a, he’s a missionary in Africa. And he came to me and he said, you know, I’ve, I’ve always quoted the verse of scripture seek first, the kingdom of God. But he said, I kind of used it as a, as a way that I didn’t want to have to prepare, but something happened to him. He ended up getting married and he ended up having a baby. And it changed the way that he thought about the future. And I don’t think that there’s a lack of faith to look at your wife and kids and say, you know what, I’m going to do whatever I can to make sure that they’re taken care of. And I know a lot of ministers that have a tremendous amount of faith for themselves, but what I tell them is do you expect your wife to have exactly the same amount of faith as you do at that point in time, do you expect them to carry that on without even talking to them about it?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:39):
So you mentioned some incremental things that people could start doing. What are some of those things you just mentioned? Insurance talk, talk to me about some of the things that someone should start thinking about in order to have a solid financial plan.

Ryan Lawrence (09:56):
If somebody comes to me and says, how do I start a process? This may sound like a it’s slightly counterproductive. But the first thing I recommend they do is buy some life insurance on someone they care about. Usually their spouse. And the reason is, is because it doesn’t produce a huge result for them immediately. But what it does is it shows that they’re committed to the plan. It shows that they’re willing and committed to doing something for somebody else. That’s not going to produce any results for them immediately. It’s amazing how I’ve watched net worth of individuals over the years, start to head in the right direction. Once they make those little commitments. Sometimes it’s very small commitments. We have to make the steps of a good man are ordered. It’s never the next five steps. It’s always, what is the very next step that we need to do?

Ryan Lawrence (10:39):
Not the leaps and bounds, but what’s the step. So when they make that first commitment, we get that done. We get it done the right way. Second thing we try to do is go ahead and open up an investment account to where they’re automatically putting money into it. And if they’re only able to do a hundred dollars a month, perfect, we’ll start with that. For many people. If we’re talking about specific things, a Roth IRA is a wonderful place to begin. If you don’t have a company or a job, rather that matches your 401k than a Roth, IRA is a wonderful place to begin because it’s basically tax-free investing. So let, let’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:13):
Give some definitions here. Explain what is a 401k? What is a Roth?

Ryan Lawrence (11:18):
A 401k is what’s called a qualified plan. And that means you go work for a company. They offer a 401k where you can take money before it ever hits your paycheck. It’s called pre-tax investing. And it goes directly into this account. And sometimes your company will offer a percentage of a match. And if they do, you should always take it because it’s free money. Sometimes they don’t. So not every company offers that if they don’t offer a 401k or a 4 0 3 B, if you work for a ministry, then I always tell people, open up a Roth IRA. You can invest either six or $7,000 a year, depending on your age. And in many cases you might even be able to open up one free in your wife’s name. But it gives you the advantage of investing money into a plan that will never be taxed by the government.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:06):
What if someone is leading a ministry, is there a way for their board to set up a compensation package so that a portion of the minister’s compensation would go automatically into a 4 0 3 B or some type of

Ryan Lawrence (12:24):
That’s a great question. And absolutely 100%. One of the areas that I help ministers decide what options to choose. Let’s say you’re a minister or a head of an organization, and you only have two or three employees, or your employees are technically contract labor. And it doesn’t make sense for you to open up a qualified plan, like a 401k or four, three B, because there’s extra expenses involved to open up this plan. There are several different plans that you can do. There’s one plan that I’m particularly fond of called a four or five seven. And what that is is a ministry, a church, especially, or a ministry organization can put funds directly into an account on behalf of an individual like yourself or whoever is there. And because they are a nonprofit organization, the federal government, or the IRS does not monitor them, or does not ask them to abide by the same requirements as a business owner.

Ryan Lawrence (13:20):
They’re non-ERISA is what that’s called. And the government does not put stipulations on the amount of money that can go into that plan or the age that they have to start pulling from. For example, most plans. Now you have to start pulling from by 72 or the IRS will penalize you because they want that money to be taxed. If you work for a ministry or in charge of a ministry, you can actually invest money and not have those requirements. So there’s stipulations. So there are a couple of different, very good options that even ministers have that other companies don’t

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:52):
And then explain what a Roth IRA is.

Ryan Lawrence (13:55):
Sure. Roth IRA is basically a tax-free mutual fund and the government has said, we want to incentivize people to invest in their future. So what they do is they say, if you make less than 124,000 as a single individual, or 208,000, roughly as a married couple, you can invest up to $6,000 a year under the age of 50 or 7,000. Once you hit 50 and whatever that amount of money grows to someday, the IRS will never tax you on it because they have giving you a window that says, if you make below a certain amount, we’ll let you invest this amount of money. Now think about that for a second. If those limitations weren’t on there, then that’s the investment that everybody would use because nobody would really want to pay taxes. So it’s a great thing to take advantage of,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:43):
To at least start out with a Roth IRA, because you’re putting money in that that’s been taxed and then over life of the Roth IRA, you never pay any taxes on that money.

Ryan Lawrence (14:56):
No, never pay taxes on the growth, never pay taxes when you pull it out. Really the simplest analogy I can use is if you go to the store and buy a bag of seed and they say, okay, would you like to go ahead and pay taxes on it right now? Or would you like to go home, plant everything, harvest it, sell it, and then pay taxes. Then most of us would say, let’s go ahead and pay the taxes now and get it over with that’s what you’re doing with a Roth.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:16):
So what are some of the other steps that a minister should take in order to get their financial life in shape?

Ryan Lawrence (15:24):
Obviously budgeting is a huge part of that because it reduces stress and an agreement between you and your spouse to say, okay, we’re going to make solid financial decisions so that we can do these things. It’s, it’s simply the ability to manage your finances and, and be a good steward, not just to take care of your family, but we also want to be generous. We also want to give to ministries like yours. So we want to have the ability to do that. And you come to an agreement that you’re going to budget first, get it done in the right order and make sure that as the Bible says, good measure, pressed down, shaken together. When you’re pressing down, it really means that you’re just producing more room in your bag to be able to hold more later. So I think it’s great to have a well, there’s nothing wrong with just figuring out ways to make sure that you’re able to do all of these things really success in the financial world is, is not necessarily just having a lot of things to show people. It’s the ability to have nice things. It’s the ability to have your finances in order. It’s the ability to have your investments set up so that all of these things are moving forward properly. And the best way to measure that every year is take a look at your net worth. If your net worth is growing every year, that means you’re doing something right.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:34):
So let’s talk about budgeting. What are some percentages of what you would recommend that someone would invest? Like some people may have a big salary. Other people might have a small salary, but if you break it down into some percentages what would you recommend someone should be putting aside for the future? Well, there’s a lot. Yeah.

Ryan Lawrence (16:56):
I don’t have theories on that. I think a general rule of thumb is some people say between five and 10%, I think 5% is a, is a good starting point. If you can manage to do 10%, then obviously you’re, you’re managing your money. Well, because in this day and age, of course, there’s always going to be things that we need and things that we need to do. But when we do it in the right order, it allows us to control our money and control our compulsion’s. If you will, our emotions to where we actually learn how to say no to certain things and come back to it later and figure out a way to get it done. Right. And for many people, it’s usually about the order when they invest, when they give and they invest first, then the rest of the money that they have they’re able to manage their budget very well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:40):
You’ve helped a lot of pastors and ministers to, to prepare for the future. Tell me some success stories of what people have been able to do.

Ryan Lawrence (17:51):
Well, there’s been really most of the success stories I have probably aren’t overwhelmingly exciting. I think what happens is, is I start out with a couple were literally their net worth is just a few thousand dollars. And within a few years, know, their net worth is well over a hundred thousand and going in the right direction. And it isn’t necessarily because they made wholesale changes across the board. It was very small changes that they decided to make. And it just started to add up in the right direction. Now I know that we’ve heard plenty of teaching on tiding and I I’m very much a fan of tightening. And I think we need to give generously as the Bible teaches, but where I think a lot of ministers unfortunately have missed an opportunity is they haven’t encouraged their people. What do they do after they tithe?

Ryan Lawrence (18:36):
And after the tiling is done, if they learn how to get these other things in order, they’re going to start seeing their finances grow tremendously. They’re going to start seeing their net worth every single year, the gap get wider and wider in the right direction because they’re making very small decisions. And most of the success stories I can say that I’m very excited about are people that I’ve been working with for the last 10 years that started off literally at zero that are now doing very well. And it was a very slow process because the Bible teaches that slow growth is the right way. If we gain, if we earn money too quickly, it tends to sprout wings and fly away. That’s what the Bible teaches because people don’t understand how to really manage it. And, and another example that has been researched and confirmed over and over again in my industry is that when people earn an inheritance or receiving inheritance, usually within 18 months, the whole amount is gone. And it doesn’t matter if it’s $5,000 or 5 million, because if they don’t have a foundation in place, how to handle that money, when they get it, they’re going to continue to spend money the same way they always have.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:36):
So let’s, let’s go through some of these incremental changes that you’re recommending for sure. First of all if you have a wife and kids, sure. Life insurance is one of those foundational things

Ryan Lawrence (19:49):
Should do. Absolutely. You can, you can start off with term insurance and you can you, everybody that I’ve worked with can afford some amount. I recommend, I think that every human being should have some life insurance on them. You know, even if they’re a newborn, I mean, there’s ways to do that, but it’s just simply because we’re trying to plan for the future, the best we can. And it allows us to take pressure off ourselves, allows us to sleep better at night. It allows our wives to feel more comfortable when we tell them, look, this is what would happen if something were to happen. And it’s certainly not a lack of faith to tell your wife that she’s going to be taken care of. I think it takes great faith to believe God for a little bit more money to go ahead and pay for these things more than it does to believe God that he’s going to take care of your wife after you’re gone.

Ryan Lawrence (20:32):
So when I look at all the things that happen, yes, life insurance is usually ground zero because it shows a commitment to your family, the investing portion, and there’s other things, depending on your levels of income, there’s other products out there that people will invest in such as disability insurance that will help them in case they can’t work anymore. Long-Term care. Insurance is something that people are starting to look a little bit more at as they get older. But in, in the beginning, if you’re just starting out, I do think that life insurance and starting an investment account is also very important because it gets your mind focused in the right direction. Okay.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:07):
And then another incremental thing that someone could do is get started with an investment account and set up to automatically put at least something in that, in, in on a regular basis, right?

Ryan Lawrence (21:20):
They, they do that simply. You can, you can have every month you can have it, of course pulled out of your bank account. If it’s a Roth or if it’s a 401k, it’s going to come out of your paycheck, but it allows you. I don’t want to say it forces you, but it gets you in a position where you become used to what your budget is. And before you know, it, you’ve already got something started and it’s going in the right direction. But you know, there’s also the ability to drop single amounts. And if you’re having a good year or if you saved a little bit, or you feel like, you know what, I’m going to go ahead and just drop something in at the end of the year, Roth IRAs will even allow you to drop. In a, for example, this is 2021. You can fund your Roth IRA for 2021 until tax day of 2022. So you actually get a couple extra months next year to go back and apply it to this year, if you want to. So there’s a lot of flexibility there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:07):
What other advice would you give to a minister?

Ryan Lawrence (22:10):
Well, I certainly, as I said earlier, I certainly wouldn’t discount the fact that this is something that God really wants you to look into and be prepared. And I think it’ll only enhance your ministry to be that minister that actually takes care of these things as well. And doesn’t just completely ignore them. I feel like that the moment that you step into this room, I’ve never seen a minister who said, I’m going to go ahead and do this and started down that direction where God didn’t provide extra money for him to take care of his family. It’s just simple and he’ll do it every time I’ve watched it happen. And he’s not angry with you for doing it. It’s something that I feel like is up to you to do it. I feel like that we’re supposed to study the word and come to that conclusion on our own, but I don’t believe, I mean, after God has spoken to us through his word, I feel like that he’s not going to spend any time reminding us over and over again to do these things. It’s really our choice.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:59):
I have two young kids. Caleb is 11. Katie grace is nine, and we’re already starting thinking about paying for college for them. Are there some vehicles that can be used to help prepare for saving for college?

Ryan Lawrence (23:12):
Well, there’s the 5 29 plans in just about every state. I think has one that you can invest in and it simply works like this. You put money into the plan and whatever that balance grows to by the time they get to college, there’s no taxation on it. So it’s a tax free investment. As long as you make the payments directly to the university or trade school or whatever school they’re going to go to, then the government will not tax you. Now let’s say, you’re you put all this money aside and both your kids get scholarships. Cause they’re so brilliant, right? Eh, you can even give it to a relative if you want to at that point, or if you decide, you know what, I have no one else to give it to I’ll go ahead and pull the money out. Well, then you’ll have to pay taxes on the growth. And there is a little bit of a penalty. So it’s not, there’s really no advantage for doing that unless that’s the last option, but there are things available. Absolutely.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:59):
What do you think about social security? Some ministers opt out of paying social security. This is something that is only available to ministers. That’s one of the, either perks or dangers of being in ministry. I know some ministers, they say, I’m not going to pay social security. I’m going to invest it instead, but then they never invest. And when they get to retirement age, they don’t have that social security net to fall back on. What advice would you give to a minister in that

Ryan Lawrence (24:30):
Great question I’ve encountered this many times. Sometimes a minister will get ordained and you’ll have a friend say, look, just opt out so you can earn more money. Well, they’re not really thinking through the process correctly. Now that of course is a 7.6, 5% of your paycheck is pulled from pulled to social security. Now, when you work for an employer, they will match that. So it’s actually 15.2% of what you’re earning is going into social security. If you decide I’m no longer going to put my half in, that means your employer is not going to put their half on either. So you’re not just setting aside. You’re not just taking six point or 7.6, 5% off. You’re taking the whole 15.2. So my advice, if you’re going to do that, you need to go ahead and set up a Roth IRA immediately and put 7.65% into it.

Ryan Lawrence (25:22):
If you’re going to take advantage of that, I have no problem with somebody wanting to invest their money. In fact, if I were given the option to do that, I would certainly do that. Because I know we can do better with that. The problem, like you said is when people say I don’t have to pay that anymore. And they look at it as if it’s a raise, I can earn more money, but then when they get to retirement they’re at the very end of the line, I’ve had CPAs telling me that they have ministers that come in their office at 65, 67, just beside themselves in tears, because the denomination they were with says, it’s signed for them to retire. They have to move out of the parsonage and they have nothing, literally have nothing. And they’re of course their wives are trying to be supportive and they’re honestly asking themselves, what do I do now?

Ryan Lawrence (26:04):
I think that question probably should have been asked many years ago. And that is something that I try to a certain amount of reality that I try to shed on the situation is, you know, you do need to prepare for that. But I even have some ministers that worked before they got into ministry and I had one the other day, tell me, you know what, I’m not sure I want to take that money because it’s from the government. I disagree with what the government’s doing. And I said, listen, if you worked for usually it’s about 10 years before you opted out, you’ll still get something, okay, that’s the rule with social security is it’s basically 40 quarters or 10 years. If you do that, then, then you are vested in if you will. Well, if you know, he came to me and said, I’m not sure I really believe in the government’s vision with this. Do I really want to take this money? And I said, you should go and take it. Number one, you to loan them all that money. And now it’s time for them to pay it back. So you should go ahead and take it. I don’t think that many people have a problem with that, but so I’ve heard several different scenarios and I, I just feel like, look, if you don’t want to opt out, that’s really not always a bad thing either.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:07):
There’s a lot more technical details and specific investment vehicles that, that you have expertise in. Thank you so much for, for being on the program today. But if someone has more questions, they want to get more advice about how to prepare for their future, especially if they’re they’re in ministry and, and have some questions about that. How would someone get ahold of you and, and ask more questions?

Ryan Lawrence (27:34):
Just email me. My email address is Ryan dot Lawrence. That’s R Y a N dot L a w R E N C E at, and it’s in M for Northwestern mutual. But in, as in Nancy, M as in michael.com.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:49):
So ryan.Lawrence@nm.com, that’s correct. I would encourage you if you have more questions about being in ministry and how to prepare for retirement, how to prepare for your future questions about getting life insurance, about making investments putting money aside for your, your kids college, putting aside money for the future, I’d encourage you to, to reach out to Ryan Lawrence. He has a lot of expertise in this area. He also has the heart of a teacher teaching people how to properly prepare. I think that’s one of the, the, the key things. When you’re looking for an investment advisor, you want someone who doesn’t just sell you, you need to do this, you need to do that and, and, and gives you the thing that they’re going to make the biggest commission on to, to invest in. You want to be with someone who can teach you and to help you make the right decision for your future to understand why you are making these decisions and why they’re important.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:53):
And so you really have the heart of a teacher. I really appreciate that. And so I’d encourage you to, to reach out to, to Ryan Lawrence and ask him any questions you have about preparing for retirement now, while you’re still young in ministry. Ryan, thank you so much for being with us. I really appreciate you. You been a tremendous blessing to our ministry. You’ve supported us for quite a few years. Been very faithful, and I really appreciate that you guys are good grounded. So thank you for being with me. I appreciate it.

Ryan Lawrence (29:25):
You’re welcome.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:26):
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Russell Abbot | From New Zealand to Africa with Love

Russell Abbot was one of my evangelism students at Victory College. Today he tells the story of how his first crusade was a major disappointment, but he persisted and now ten years later, his ministry has reached hundreds of thousands of people for Jesus in East Africa.

Website:  http://advanzeafrica.com/ 

For more information about evangelism, call Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach at 1-877-431-4276.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:01):
Russell Abbott was one of my evangelism students at Victory College. Today, he tells the story of how his first crusade was a major disappointment, but he persisted in now 10 years later, his ministry has reached hundreds of thousands of people for Jesus in East Africa.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:21):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist, Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:57):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King. And today we have a special guest with us, Russell Abbott. Thank you for joining me today.

Russell Abbot (01:07):
Thank you, Daniel and honored to be with you. You are one of my very first teachers back in Bible college. You’ve continued to mentor me and empower me to be reaching the nations. And we’ve been going into over 30 nations and reaching hundreds of thousands of people for Christ. And I think some of those souls may be going into your account.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:34):
Well, that’s awesome. Tell me a little bit about what countries you’re going to and what God is doing through your ministry.

Russell Abbot (01:42):
Okay. So originally I was in south America, a lot to central America. Haiti traveled across and to India a little bit in Europe, you know, a good mix smash of the world. And in eventually God lead me down into Africa. And initially I was teaching and Bible schools and then doing whatever the pastors would ask me, if you want to, can you visit the prison with our team? Can you do a men’s conference? Can you do in an evangelism program? Can you take our team out into the park? You know, I, I had a fabulous time traveling around the world, living and staying with the pastors and then, you know, they would just throw me in the deep end. And we had our famous pastor, pastor, Billy Joe Daugherty. He told us back in Bible college, if you get any opportunity to preach, if anybody asks you whatsoever, just say, yes, don’t think about it. Just say, yes, I can do it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:50):
And so you started saying yes, and you have been doing it ever since

Russell Abbot (02:54):
He started saying yes, without even thinking or praying about it. And Le loaded me and a lot of great ministry situations. I would run back to my little guest house or wherever I’m staying in the room or the pastor crying out to God, God, I don’t know how to do this. Please help me and God would. And that I had a fantastic time and just been so responsive to the holy spirit and the opportunities just developed and grew my boldness confidence ministry. And eventually, as I said, God took me to Africa. We went there to start a Bible colleges. We started Bible colleges in Kenya. I think there’s like just from this one college we first started it’s out of that has birthed about 70 or 80 and about 5,000 graduates from that very first trip. Now this is this is nine years, nine years, 10 years later.

Russell Abbot (03:57):
But so that very first trip was very fruitful. We also did evangelizing out in the marketplaces and many of the poor areas just on the ground, roar our team, carrying the speakers and the sound equipment and stuff on the backs through and between the huts and things sitting up in a local ground, putting on the African Bing, Bing, Bing bong music and, and sitting up the dancers and attracting a crowd and then just bang, launching them with the gospel and seeing 2030, sometimes a hundred or more people give their lives to Christ on that level. And that got my blood pumping, just seeing the response. There was such a hunger there in east Africa.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:49):
Let’s talk about how you got started. So you’re from the nation of New Zealand, the land of sheep and Lord of the rings. And you came here to Tulsa to go to school at, at victory college. How did you end up coming to Tulsa?

Russell Abbot (05:08):
That’s a long story. You know, I was brought up in a heathen family, had a bit of Catholic training and teaching, but God was not real to me. I was just involved in partying and drinking, really a deeply broken individual who didn’t realize it. My mother had died when I was two years old. And I discovered the answer to my life was beer and lots of it. And so I was bearing all the pain and having a great time and I was loving son, but there was demons harassing me every morning. I’d wake up with my heart, still empty and broken. All of that beer in relationships. Couldn’t fix it. And these spirits would start tempting. Tormenting me, your life is hopeless. You’re going nowhere. You’ve got no purpose. Just kill yourself, kill yourself. But you know, good couple of bottles of beer can fix that too.

Russell Abbot (06:09):
So, so I was working but also partying and drinking as much as I could, but those spirits would not leave me. And I didn’t know they were spirits at that time. But as a tough young guy or pretending to be a tough young guy, I had all of that. And eventually eventually I came across a cousin who got born again. He took me to church and the gospel they preached in this particular church was acts 2 38, repent, and be baptized every one of you for the forgiveness of your sins. And you’ll receive the gift of the holy spirit. And they told me if you surrender your life to Jesus, then you need to be baptized and we’re going to pray for you. And you’ll come out, speaking in tongues, right there in the baptism waters. And I didn’t believe it, but I started talking to the people in the church and many of them had miracle testimonies.

Russell Abbot (07:06):
Some of the lot were sinners and me, you know, gang guys that the pastor had been in bikey gangs. And he’d been on run for the law for many years for murdering a guy that was our pastor and then associate pastor had been what is it, Sergeant of arms it’s called and the house angels, New Zealand chapter hell’s angels, which means he’s the God of war for the hell’s angels. I mean, these guys were wicked guys and ex Draghi’s and there were some ex hippies, more kind of still hippie-ish Israeli and some nice old grandmas. And I was like these, all those bunch of people living together in a spirit of love. And you know, it was during my heart that some reality, some of them had had dramatic healings of life-threatening illnesses and asked me on different things. And so rarely really stood.

Russell Abbot (08:02):
This could be something. And if God is real, I want to know God, I want to love him. I want to follow them. I want to experience this love they’re talking about, and I want to live the truth. I want to get into my life and find out that there is a judgment day and that I’ve wasted my whole life doing whatever. And I didn’t live the truth and didn’t live for God when he’s real and calls me to be a son. So I thought, let me at least try this kind as a gamble, but really I partially in faith, but God, if you’re real, and this is really true, the improve yourself and fill me with the holy spirit like these people said, and I didn’t really expect anything to happen, but God was working in my heart. And one night they bet ties me in a bath.

Russell Abbot (08:51):
It’s like, come out of the water. There was a group of them just laid hands praying for me. And I had a vision of Jesus and I saw Jesus on the cross and I saw his crown of thorns on his head. And I saw the blood just running down over his face, over his body and washing into the ground. And it was like, God was speaking Russell. I did this for you. I love you so much. You are so precious and beautiful to me. I paid for your sins for your forgiveness, with the blood of my own son. And they might the pastors. Remember they shook me. I was just entranced with that vision. And God’s speaking to me and they shook me, tid Russell, you know, what’s happening. And I’m like, oh, what’s happening? What’s going on? And they said, you’re speaking in tongues.

Russell Abbot (09:42):
I was like, at the time, same time I, as I was having as vision, I’ve felt a massive and fully enough love and joy and peace and just bubbling up out of me was speaking in tongues was picturing Jesus on the cross. So I had that dramatic darkness to light conversion, bam. And one night give him serene my life to Jesus baptized, full immersion baptism and the water coming out. Speaking in tongues, seen Jesus on the cross. That night I drove home in my car and I was just laughing and crying at the same time, just crying with a thankfulness and gratefulness because I realized God is real. God was very real and by heart from that time on. But I also realized I hadn’t even been seeking him. I hadn’t even been searching him. I was like, I felt like God, out of his love for me, I was just like a grain of sand on the beach.

Russell Abbot (10:40):
And he had just reached down and picked me up out of all those other millions of people. And he had reached up and he brought me close to his heart and revealed his love to me. And it was a very powerful night, very powerful lives, transforming time. I’ve never turned away from God since that time. And I’ve tried to give my heart fully to him. And at that same time as that happened, the next, the next couple of days, I became aware that God had a special purpose for me. I had this feeling inside of me that God had something special for my life. I didn’t know what a calling was. I didn’t know what a destiny was. I didn’t know what a ministry was, but that’s how I was just becoming aware that God had something special and powerful for me. But I, and I also had the feeling that I just wanted to go around the whole world and lay hands on everybody and see the whole world heal.

Russell Abbot (11:36):
And that, you know, I was, I was saved, delivered, you know, those demonic voices were gone. The addictions to the alcohol I’d even been starting to experiment and then drugs. And that was all delivered. I was, you know, just one of these young guys, I was just passing all the time and he just took that change to my heart and my language to be pure. He gave me a hunger for purity. I just love to be good. I just love to be pure. And he delivered me from all of those past. Not all of them, actually there was after, you know, God, there’s some things he delivers you from straight away about all of those initial outward things and those demonic voices. And they had alcohol. And and not only did he deliver him, deliver me bat. He gave me that calling all in that one special night.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:32):
So you experienced true transformation. And I remember when you were my student here in Tulsa victory college, I was doing a class on evangelism in the missions part of the college. And we did some classes on how to do crusades. And I remember just going down through the list, this is how you organize the churches, and this is how you have a platform and this is how you get lights. And this is how you preach the gospel and giving all the different criteria that it takes in order to do a crusade. And then you went to Africa and I remember getting your emails and you always do a great job communicating, showing what

Russell Abbot (13:22):
They want me to do, a crusade. What do I do now?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:26):
And so I remember you sent me in one of your emails, a picture of a crusade that you had done, and you took all of the instructions and had given them to one of the African brothers who helped you out. And you had told him, okay, now for the crusade, we need to set up a platform in the market area. And when you set up a platform, you need to put a hand rail around the edge of it in order to make sure that no one falls off of it. And you sent me the picture of this platform that the brother had built you. And it was only about one foot off the ground. It was about two feet maybe by that hand, red hat. So no one would fall off the platform. And I just remember laughing at him because he took your instructions and just had this little tiny platform. And I think in the picture, there were maybe 10 or 15 people way across the other side of the field, maybe listening to you or maybe they were shopping. I’m not sure. And I just like, oh no, it’s, it’s very difficult. But you recovered from that disappointment. I don’t know what your budget was, but hopefully it wasn’t too much, but since then, you’ve done lots of, I want to tell you the full story of that.

Russell Abbot (14:50):
Can I tell you the full story? Yeah, yeah. You were helping me so much in those days and it’s true. I went down there and I told the Africans, you know, I’m up from America now, I’ve been to Tulsa. I was in TL Osborn and, and den Daniel King’s classes. And so I’m a crusade professional, and really I’d just been in one crusade in Haiti and how build the stage out of sticks. So that was my extent apart from your great schooling. Ubut you know, so really the Africans knew a lot more than me, but on this particular one, I was out in a area,unear Narok with the mass eye tribe. And I’d say, we’re doing in Kenya. Yes. In Kenya,udoing the first Bible school,uand this particular area for the mass high tribes had recently given their lives to Jesus.

Russell Abbot (15:44):
And so I was in school one day and I was teaching on the gifts of the holy spirit and how first I start off with teaching them to listen to the holy spirit, pray, praying for each other. And then they’re getting maybe visions and dreams. And in the class we all prayed and I prayed as well. And I got a little vision. So I then shared on the importance of once you get visions, dream prophecy, whatever you have to properly interpret and then properly apply. So I was sharing these principles and in the process of that, I shared the vision I had, which I saw myself on quite a high stage preaching to a lot of African people. And I used the word stage and the, I went and told the pastor who was the one who organized me to come. And then he came to me, you know, that night or the next day.

Russell Abbot (16:38):
And he said, we have a stage, we have a stage right here. You’re meant to do a crusade and our village. And I was like, what? You have a crusade and you have a stage. And he was talking so excited and he so wanted me. And I was like, I’m not sure, really. And he says, no, you can do it. And then you can come back and teach part two another series for our school. And I was loving being there. They were great people, sweethearts and spirits. And I was just making my schedules going along. So I prayed about, and I felt maybe it is of God. I wasn’t sure. Well maybe there’s a God and it’ll be good to come back and teach again. So I said, yes, let’s do it. Meanwhile, after my first teaching, I, I flew, but this pastor was so brilliant that he helped me, Mr.

Russell Abbot (17:30):
Plane. So I ended up catching the bus all the way through to Tanzania Mwanza. And I actually preached in as big crusade and Mwanza, the second largest city in Tanzania, and was exactly how was in the vision, but the people Mount of people in the height of the stage, et cetera, et cetera. And so I had a great time there just sharing briefly. I wasn’t the main speaker, but I joined them and did some trainings with the pastors then flew back, went back to Narok, expecting this big mighty crusade we had. We had stopped in Nairobi and got them to print posters, et cetera, that churches were promoting. Then the first day of the crusade cam. And I was, I was saying, my house was far away with our hosting me. They brought me into the little village and I was expecting there to be, you know, some music and dancing and crowd gathered.

Russell Abbot (18:31):
And there was just a little, little bunch of Christians going round in this in this kind of open space next to the shops and kind of doing a bit like an Indian rain dance woo. And raising her hands, shut up, blah, blah, blah, blah. And not hardly a person for miles, no one coming around them. Now I didn’t have a, your vision of what a crusade stage or anything. They’re just purely on the ground. And, and I was, I was feeling embarrassed. One good thing they hadn’t before that pastor taken me to visit this crippled lady. And she’d been bid cast quite a while. The whole visual village knew we prayed for her within a couple of minutes. You’d got up walking around, completely healed. And so she came down to she, her testimony at our big crusade. And and so at that stage, at that stage, we didn’t have a stage.

Russell Abbot (19:35):
We just went out into the middle and it’s like that people were far away. I’m trying to call them, come close. We’ve got a special basis. You know, they are just hugging the few people that there were hugging the side of the walls of their shops. And I was just literally preaching to the choir. And so that was the first out of the crusade. And I was a bit baffled by it. And it also is that the past the city had a stage and there was no stage there. And then I went back and asked her, the pastor, pastor, where was the stage? And why didn’t the people come? I thought you said, this would be a fabulous crusade. Why are we doing a crusade? And he said, you know, the people that we’ve had lots of crusades here and lots of teams and people go through and they hate crusades.

Russell Abbot (20:24):
They don’t even like them. And I said, now that you tell me, yeah, I said to him, so why are we doing a crusade here? And he said, well, you had the vision. You’re the one that had the vision. So we had to have it. And then I said, and where was the stage? You didn’t bring this stage down. I thought you said you had a stage. Where was it? And he said, oh, the word stage here means means bus stop. We have of a bus stop. We would, they were doing a crusade, was actually where the buses come through every few hours and stop the, pick the people up. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:00):
You really kind of had a, a translation error, cultural.

Russell Abbot (21:05):
Yeah. It’s like a visionary,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:09):
But did anyone get saved at that?

Russell Abbot (21:13):
So being a man from victory, Daniel King background, you know, we’ve trained that there’s not just one way to evangelize. And so I went back to the drawing board that night, praying to God. And I was like, let us form the church and to teams and let us go around and visit the people in the, in the town and little teams of twos and threes. And so the next day we did that and we just had a fabulous time talking with the people. They don’t want to come to the religious crusade and jumping and shouting in that little place. They were crusaded out. But when you just go and spend some time and talk with them, we had great times talking open our hearts. And I think on that second day between it was like three or four teams we created, we lead about 20 something, people to Jesus. And I think we ended up going for about four days the mayor of that huge metropolis city of about 3000 people. He was a drunkard. He gave his life to Jesus by nev on, as you said, then I had gotten angry with the pastor and I told him, you have to build me a stage promise. So I gave him that design because we had no budget. It was only two foot square, but it did have a handrail. And I felt like kept

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:34):
Just at a hand rail to make sure No one would fall off.

Russell Abbot (22:39):
Yeah. Let’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:40):
Come on to the important safety

Russell Abbot (22:42):
First. And really, I let, I let the Africans do both of the preaching. I was just a novelty Muslim guy. I was enjoying going around visiting with the people more. But by the end of that week, the beer had gotten saved. Like over a hundred people had gotten saved. We had a revival meeting the church, the whole church was packed out with people standing around and somehow God turned it into a great success. And we just went on for like three or four hours at meeting. Even the mayor came down and testified again. And yeah. So, so

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:16):
Since then, you’ve done many crusades in different countries there in Africa. You’ve done things with our friend, Michael Ross, who I’ve had on the evangelism podcast before. And you’ve organized events for Jennifer Wilde. Yeah.

Russell Abbot (23:38):
One day one Africa,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:39):
One God, one day, one Africa. Tell me about some of the different places that you’ve done, crusades and what results you’ve seen.

Russell Abbot (23:48):
So, so one of the first breakthrough moments in my life, I’d been into Kenya a couple of times, and I’d been working with this particular Bishop who some people called the Billy Graham of east Africa. And they were just crusade professionals. And they had whole teams when they would go into a town, not only would they mobilize for the crusade, but they would bring a team of about 30 evangelists and they would be mobilizing the whole town with the marketplaces. Jesus. And what was the Bishop’s name? His name was Bishop Ben Behati.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:23):
And he’s gone on to heaven now.

Russell Abbot (24:25):
Yeah, he’s been promoted. I think God said, look, Bishop, you’ve got so many souls to your account. I’m going to have to take you out just to leave some for the other people just to leave samples, but I’ve heard of him.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:36):
I mean, he had a tremendous ministry.

Russell Abbot (24:38):
Yeah, yeah. A lot of Vangelis went through him, some quite famous ones. And so that really scald me an African evangelism being there on his big crusades, out in his little market, preaching crusades, et cetera. And some people were speaking about Burundi and sharing how there’s many, it’s a really impoverished nation and many unreached people. They are. And I started weeping and crying for the souls of Burundi. And it started stirring in me go and get one of our gospel vans we have in Kenya with the team, with the generator of the whole, the whole sound system speakers, et cetera, and traveled down to Burundi and, and just go through all the places you can. And Burundi preaching the gospel, saving as many souls as you can. And this time I flew into Rwanda, stayed with some missionary friends there, and God just downloaded the whole plan.

Russell Abbot (25:38):
And then, you know, God is he’s widest, maybe the right word, God. Sometimes he doesn’t tell you the whole story until you get halfway into it. And when I was in Rwanda, he said, I’m not just sending you to Brenda, you’re going to go to four nations. You’re going to take the van through and to Uganda and to Eastern Congo and to Rwanda and into Burundi. And so I had to set up all of these ministry. I hate to go to various churches and all of these nations beforehand and set up these ministry times, we’d spend a week in each church and we spent 10 weeks on the road with my evangelism team, having the most fantastic, craziest, exhausting time of our lives. Staying in little broken down and guest houses, et cetera, and rising up early, going having two to three or four Vince per day, preaching in the market.

Russell Abbot (26:37):
Places preaching in the schools, preaching on the side of the village hill, sitting up the Jesus movie at night out there, especially in the nations of Burundi and Rwanda that dense most densely populated nations in Africa. When you sit up the Jesus movie, it is the light shine on the hill. There can be just like 20 or 30 people you start with. Then you can get up to over a thousand. People have seen that and come and see what’s happening here. And so within 10 weeks just preaching these little meetings. We had over 50,000 decisions for Christ. Wow, God give me the goal to pray for and believe for. And it’s like we pushed and I pushed my team at our one stage. They all abandoned me and went back to Kenya. I was lifted on my own with a whole big bowl of, to pay God just just went back to the, to the floor, praying, okay, God, what now they say, they’re going to arrest me if I don’t get somebody.

Russell Abbot (27:36):
So, and God sent me the money. God gave me a new vision, how to work. My, my one coordinator from one that came back and we put together a plan and we finished and a power and authority. And we, we saw those over 50,000 souls and that was already a life transforming time. And it was after that is when I started praying. Maybe I should settle in east Africa and through a series of themes, God confirmed that I came in 2012 at the end and started working there just on a very low level preaching on the ground and little marketplaces and gathering people soon heard of, as people said, can you sit up crusades for us? So then we started getting a bit of money. We’d build some little wooden crusades for a couple of hundred stages for a couple of hundred dollars and have a rickety sound system we’d hired.

Russell Abbot (28:31):
And it just got bigger and bigger until we were using some of the biggest stages there in east Africa, we did the capital of Burundi and the end with my cross, the president’s wife came, brought all of her, you know, soldiers and securities. And she spoken, preached from the stage. It was broadcast right across the nation on national TV. That was one of our highlights. We’ve done other major cities with even larger crusades in Rwanda and also down in Tanzania. And so, so now a few years later, it’s like hundreds, hundreds of thousands of souls have been reached and a few, few, very large crusades, quite a few mediums and still a lot, still a lot of small village crusades, hundreds of them really

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:29):
That’s wonderful that God has given you such tremendous fruit and all started from the one foot high rickety stage with handrails. And now

Russell Abbot (29:39):
God was my first where I was the star billing preacher. And yeah, it was a requirement.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:46):
It wasn’t your last stuck with it and kept

Russell Abbot (29:51):
That taste of preaching from the big stage. Well, I had an Haiti as well and there in Rwanda. And so God was preparing you now. It says, do not despise the day of the small beginning. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:06):
So now you’ve established yourself there in east Africa. You’ve met a beautiful African woman who you asked to be your wife. Tell me about that and tell me about your children.

Russell Abbot (30:21):
Yeah. So for you, young evangelists, ladies and gentlemen, it’s I would just say echoing Kenneth Hagen, pray and obey most simplest keys, just pray, listen to the holy spirit, what he speaks, shows you, and then just go and do it. That is just powerful keys for success right there, but not just keys for success in ministry, you have dreams and your heart vision. Some of them are often connected with a families and children, et cetera, as you pray and obey, God will lead you to your highest destiny. And he will even bring the exact partner and help mate, or husband, whatever for you. And I was all the time being single for so long traveling. And so many nations, many times so lonely on the road. And many times I think it’s time. Lord, I think it’s time. I need my wife. I’ll be much greater traveling round with my partner beside me.

Russell Abbot (31:22):
And as many times I told God that it was time for me to get married and I didn’t hear very much. And when I went and settled there in east Africa, I pretty much given up on marriage and God came and spoke to me. I want you to settle here and not just to settle here and build a ministry, but to find a wife, build a family and she will be your help mate for you. And she she’ll help you with the culture of the people. And God has truly answered my prayers above and beyond. He brought me a beautiful young woman of God who loves Jesus so much. She was a worship leader in a church. He was already ministering with the orphans. She is a powerful and to Cedar, even now when I’m praying, I start to, you know, after a little while, get tired, but she’s still going strong. So I can’t let her beat me. I have to keep praying too. So I think she’s maybe three quarters of the success, plus our supporters and great mentors like Daniel to our ministry. What was it

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:24):
And your children? Tell me, tell me about your children.

Russell Abbot (32:28):
Yeah, we got three beautiful little cuties. They rarely, I think children at that age, they have a ministry in it’s called the ministry of laughter and giggling. When you’re in ministry, sometimes you can get to be a bit serious and thinking and planning and calling and praying about all this stuff. And sometimes, sometimes we need a great sense of humor on the mission field. Sometimes we need to roll around on the floor with our kids, just laughing and giggling and letting them jump on top of us and just have some fun days with the family. So really it’s, it’s brought me back. It’s like, it’s renewing my youth within me. I’ve been on the road for a long time. And now God has given me a beautiful young family and a real, really a blessing. Our little oldest daughter’s called area Anna. She is super smart.

Russell Abbot (33:25):
She speaks three languages. She’s not even five yet. She just, this morning, Daniel, I was talking to, to the mother saline, the international beauty queen. And she was saying, we’ve got a big problem with your daughter, daddy. You know, when they start talking about your daughter, you know, you’re in trouble. Yeah. And she said, you know what? She did. She filled up her school bag with all of his sweaters and shoes. And she took them to the school and she gave them to all the children in the school. And then she took other things, jackets and different things to the family, friends who have a bunch of little children. And she gave them away without telling me to all of those babies and children. And then someone visited him, young little babies and she got her little dollies and she gave her little dolls.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:21):
Wow. It sounds like she has a ministry of clothes distribution.

Russell Abbot (34:26):
She’s got a beautiful, sweet heart. She loves people. And that’s the first time she’s done that. But part of our ministry also in Africa is we try and we go out to the families that are in extreme poverty and we take emergency supplies and food and clothings, and we try and lift them out of that. And then we work over that period of time to where they are self-sustaining and she’s sometimes been with us on those trips. And other times she sees us loading up the car and she’ll say, mommy and daddy, you going to visit the poor people in the visit village again. And so really the whole thing of, you know, not talking is good saying the right things, but living Christ and being Christ is having so much of a powerful effect on the children, around you. And they’re seeing them soybeans things that you don’t even realize and add a little boy, he’s nearly three.

Russell Abbot (35:20):
He’s very smart. He’s kind of shy, but you can see he’s creative. And then our very youngest is just one and a half. And he’s a very tough little guy. He wrestles with his older brother and sometimes he wins and when he was being born myself and mommy and some others, we felt this is going to be a man of authority. He just has a presence and a power to him already. So God is a dream maker and the dream for filler pray and obey every day. Like, you know how I got to this where our ministry now, before hundreds of thousands and seen God fulfill, fulfill that God put on my heart to start ministry and just going out and preaching to my neighbors first. And it was, it completely destroyed my social status in New Zealand to be a Christian as bad, but to be one of these Bible bashing Christians, there, it goes all of your friends.

Russell Abbot (36:21):
And so, but I evade God and I was faithful and not a single neighbor gave their lives to the Lord. Then I started going out on the church evangelism teams, then God would put on me. I read Smith’s walls with book that he made a, he made a vow to God that he would lead at least one soul to Jesus every day. And he was working at time as a plumber. And I’d been in the Lord or quite a while. Then I was back now settled in a city and I sort of led me. I felt stirred in my heart. Let me vowel that are at least maybe I can’t lead them in New Zealand. It’s very rare that someone will give their lives to Jesus on the street, but are at least preach to one or two people every day before I go home.

Russell Abbot (37:04):
And I was faithful to that for years and seen a very little fruit. I was faithful to where God put me into the heavenly calling and serving in the churches and God developed me. And I think he saw that spurt of faithfulness. And it’s like, I have to take this guy somewhere where he can actually bear a lot of fruit for me. You know, I’ve been a fishermen and you can go one place and fish all day long and not catch a single fish. And then you can just move, you know, quarter of a mile, even around the corner by some rocks or something with your boat, throw the anchor out. And you’ve just got the fish, almost jumping in the boat, positioning and seeing where the harvest field is as a powerful. And right now the harvest field is, is hungry and east Africa and other parts of Africa,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (37:54):
Your ministry is doing crusades. You’re graduating Bible school students from Bible schools. You’re planting churches. You’re, you’re ministering to so many people and you’ve been able to do all that with, with very few resources. But if you had more resources, you’d be able to reach more people. And if so, if someone is listening to this and wants to find out more about your ministry, or maybe even support your ministry what’s your website, how can someone find out more about you?

Russell Abbot (38:29):
Okay, thanks for bringing that up. Daniel. Yes. Anyone listening? We need dozens. We can say hundreds. We’re not shy of hundreds of people to come on as monthly supporters, but God has sent me back. No, I live full time. And one, the Africa traveling across Africa, God has sent me back to USA at this time with a mandate to bring on more monthly supporters because he wants us to expand our mission to, to stop working just for my little home office to have a proper offices, to have department leaders. And we’ve been there for nearly 10 years. Now, we have a great level of experience and God is saying, now’s the time to expand and multiply your leadership team. And to be full-time reaching all of these areas to go from the thousands to the hundreds, to even reaching the millions per year. And so we would love for you. We’d be very honored for you to come on board and support us. Our website is advance africa.com and how you spell advance is a D V a N Zed, not C, but we put it with a Zed

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:47):
Z for those of you in America. Okay.

Russell Abbot (39:50):
Z. Yeah. I’m reached where each in all cultures. Thanks. Daniel advance

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:54):
Africa. It’s Z or Zed instead of a skip.

Russell Abbot (39:59):
See a little bit of extra zing Daniel. That’s wonderful. Yeah. Advance africa.com with a Z and on our websites. You’ll see a lot of the different works we do in fact that we need to update that because we’re doing a lot of crusades and larger ones since that time. And we’ve brought on board some more ministries, but you’ll get a good, a taste of our ministry. You’ll be able to see a lot of nice pictures of what we’ve been doing. And there is for those who have PayPal, it’s a very easy to click on that link there, and you can shoot money through to our 5 0 1 C ministry accounts here in USA, where you will get a tax receipt for it. And you can even click make this a recurring monthly payment. And you’ll be set up as one of our monthly supporters. And we will contact. You get to know you we’ll be praying for you daily. And you’ll become part of our African miracle making team. And if I get a chance, I’ll visit you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:04):
That’s awesome. Well, Russell, I’m so delighted to hear about all the fruit that your ministry is producing. It is wonderful to hear about what you’re doing in Africa and the thousands and thousands of lives that you’re impacting there. Thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. Appreciate it.

Russell Abbot (41:26):
And Daniel just so happy and excited to be here. And thank you for being new. You know, when you first came into the Bible school, I thought there was just Billy Graham and a few other evangelists in the world TLS born and Reinhard bond key. And then you come in and you just shook my world. And, and you were very young at that time and young and so passionate and so knowledgeable. And you’d already been over half the world. And I was like, if this young guy, who’s almost like a teenager can be doing that. God, what can I do? So you really helped to just give me even the vision to start believing for these type of things. And not only that you’ve stayed with me all of these years, mentoring and training me, taking me level by level, step up, and God bless you. God, please stay secure in your family. You’re a wonderful example. Wonderful mentor, wonderful friend, just so happy and honored to be here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:32):
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Alejandro Arias | Boy Preacher from Costa Rica Used by God

Alejandro Arias started preaching the Gospel when he was just a boy in Costa Rica. Now he has traveled to 45 nations on five continents and led thousands of people to Jesus. Today he shares the amazing story of what God is doing through his life.

Website: https://alejandroarias.org/home/ 

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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Alejandro Arias started preaching the gospel when he was just a boy in Costa Rica. Now he’s traveled to 45 nations on five continents and led thousands of people to Jesus. Today. He shares about the amazing story of what God is doing through his life.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:20):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:55):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me, Alejandro RDS. Welcome to the evangelism podcast, my friend.

Alejandro Arias (01:08):
Thank you, Daniel. It is such an honor to be on your podcast and I’m blessed. Thanks for the invitation

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:15):
Start at the beginning. Do you remember how you and I met?

Alejandro Arias (01:21):
Sure. I tell the story to my friends and everyone that knows you and anyone that is acquainted with your ministry that I happened to meet on the road. We met at a very large gathering in Costa Rica. A number of years ago, probably two decades ago. I was 12 years, so, and back then I was just starting the ministry. I was known as the boy preacher in Costa Rica. I had just started and being preaching for a year. The Lord called me at a very young age. And so my, my testimony is quite unusual because I actually happened to, to lead my dad to the Lord when I was 12, he came to one of my camp meetings and he got saved and one of my meetings. So anyway I heard that TL Osborn he was coming to Costa Rica and he was going to be holding a large rally crusade.

Alejandro Arias (02:21):
And he was also going to have a pastors gathering. And so some of my pastors, some of my friends invited me. They said, you should come. You know, at that point I had already read some books. I had already heard some things about Dr. DL Osborn. So I really want it to be there. And it was like a divine connection and I was able to get I think I was sitting in the first row or second row. I don’t remember, but I was, you know, with all the other pastors and I got to meet you there. And I think you grabbed me and you said, would you like to meet TL Osborn or something? Like, I don’t quite remember the details, but I know you took me into this office and TL Osborn was there and it was just you and somebody else. And me and we were just sitting chatting. And then you know, he got to pray for me, pray for both of us. And I think that’s how we got connected.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:18):
That’s such a wonderful story. You’re a 12 years old, you’re already preaching the gospel. You were the boy preacher, and you came to the TL Osborn seminar and what a privilege it was to be prayed for by Dr. TL Osborn. I call him the grandfather of healing crusade evangelism, and he was a great man of God. What did you learn from TL Osborn at the age of 12?

Alejandro Arias (03:49):
His boldness, his tenacity, his, it was a very courageous man. The stories that he shared, the stuff that he went through. And actually one thing that I learned while I was in this and then in the seminar is that he was many years before that and thinking the fifties he was kicked out of Costa Rica. He had a very difficult experience. You know, the government actually deported him because he was doing he was seeing a lot of signs and wonders and they actually accused him of what is that criminal charge back then? It was like, you know, practicing medicine without a license. I think there is a term for that. If you help me with the term. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:42):
I don’t remember the term, but I do remember that he was kicked out of Costa Rica back in the 50’s. And when, when he was there, they gave him a pin from the senator’s office in Costa Rica. And I remember him wearing that pin all the time and telling people, this is a pin that only the senators of Costa Rica have. And he was so proud of that pin. Yeah.

Alejandro Arias (05:13):
Yes. And the amazing thing is, you know, he came, he prayed with the pastors you know, there was an act of reconciliation. And I think even there was a prayer of forgiveness. The pastors came together and they basically asked forgiveness to Dr. TL Osborn. It was such a humble moment, you know, when you saw these pastors coming together acknowledging the anointing, honoring the ministry and the legacy and just saying, you know whatever our precedent did back in the forties and the fifties that has nothing to do with what God is doing now. And so we actually felt you know, the past is there felt like there was such a blessing by doing that. It was almost like a prophetic act like an act of a release and reconciliation. And I think that that allowed the next move of God to come even stronger because after his visit, I believe we had some other generals and Benny Hinn came, then others came and then there was an explosion of church growth where God began to move from nationwide and Costa Rica you know, in a greater metal. So we definitely sell revival after that really.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:31):
Now you’re not a boy preacher anymore. Now you are growing up, you have traveled to many different countries around the world and you have grown into a beautiful evangelistic ministry going and preaching the gospel in nations all over the world. Tell me a little bit about how your ministry has developed for you.

Alejandro Arias (06:56):
Yeah. So I’ve been preaching now for 22 years nonstop in 50 nations and it’s been an amazing journey. I never thought I was going to be to all these amazing places around the world. I never thought I was gonna married an Australian, someone from the other side of the world. We actually met I was in Perth on the other side of Australia, was doing some ministry there. And she was Austrian during the one of the meetings. And we met in the meeting and you know, the Lord has actually blessed us. You know, we, we have two beautiful daughters. We have carry out who is eight years old, Celeste was three years old. And one of them was actually born here in Florida where we are living. We, we, we have our ministry based here in Orlando, Florida but to make a long story short, you know, it’s, it’s been God’s grace.

Alejandro Arias (07:55):
I’ve received a lot of prophetic words when I was a little boy that I was gonna go around the world that I was going to preach the gospel to thousands of people that I would actually forget the number of airplanes and airports that I would be that I would go to. And so the, those words have actually come to pass because now if you asked me how many airports have you been to? I tell you, I don’t even know that, you know, and that probably is your experience, you know, once you travel so much and you go to all these different cities, towns, villages, nations everything just becomes a, you know, part of the journey all the highlights, all the miracles and everything that God did, and it’s doing it’s part of the journey. And over the last two decades, I have seen God move in a mighty way you know, in many nations.

Alejandro Arias (08:47):
And so it all started when I was 11 years old and missionary from Venezuela, he was doing an outreach in one of the local parks there in, in the city where I was living Alajuela and Orlando Lopez, right? Yes, that’s right. So he actually gave me the opportunity to preach in, in this rally. And he gave me a new test. I mean, he signed it for me. He gave it to me. It’s like, you know I believe in what you carry, I believe in our calling. And I would love for you to share the gospel. And this is my first time because I had never done it out in public. You know, I had to preach to my friends at school. I had done some, my home groups, cell groups and things like that, you know, but I had never done anything out in, in, in, in the public arena.

Alejandro Arias (09:39):
And so when he gave me that opportunity, obviously I was struck by fear and motion, you know, I was overwhelmed and I’m standing there. I don’t know what to say. And you know, trying I’m trying my best, but I’m having a hard time putting my thoughts together, but then I just looked at it. I felt like the holy spirit just inspired me. I felt like this boost of power. You know, I felt like I was struck by this lightning supernatural force. You know, it was like, God just gave me this boost. And so I began to preach with a bonus that I had not known a bonus that I didn’t have before. And so I preached for like 45 minutes, you know, it was, it was my first time. My first message. I remember my first message was based on Jesus is the way, you know, there was a narrow way in a white path.

Alejandro Arias (10:28):
And so you got to choose what path you need to be on. And so I preached on that message, you know, and seven people came to Jesus as a result of that message and revival broke out, you know, God began to touch a lot of the attendees. P people came forward. I was able to pray for them. It was almost like falling marriage. And it was like, God just decided to push me into the pool. I had no preparation, nothing. Just, God just pushed me, you know into the, this pool of ministry, full immersion. Right. And so I had never been to Bible school. I never been to a ministry school. I was just a church kid. My mom, you know, she had been a believer for a number of years. She came to Christ when I was seven years old.

Alejandro Arias (11:20):
So that’s when I got saved. I came to Christ like two weeks later after she made her decision that I went to a cat meeting. And I just, I remember running to the alter and giving my life to Christ and the preacher gave me a new Testament. And I remember keeping that new Testament, like it was the best treasure, you know, it is. So I remember holding into it. I didn’t want anybody to take it. I was you know, I was beginning to read, so I was reading it little by little and just putting the stories together and learning about Jesus. And I just fell in love. I fell in love with the power of the gospel, with Jesus, with his his power, his persona, everything about him. And so I began to preach in my community, you know, to my friends when I was eight years old, I was tested big time.

Alejandro Arias (12:10):
Cause I was diagnosed with a deadly tumor between my heart and my lungs and the doctors. Back there, they basically gave up on me. They said, I had only, you know, I have two alternatives. One was laser surgery, which was out of our you know, out of our financial reach. And at that point it was new technology and they were only trying it here in the United States, in Miami, in some places. So it was definitely out of reach and the other one was a miracle. So it was basically the number two choice. We had to rely on God for a miracle because that tumor was growing and it was going to it was actually located right in between that there’s an artery that’s right in between your heart and your lungs. And it is a very, you know, important battery. So it was right there and it was growing.

Alejandro Arias (13:03):
And so the doctors basically said, you know, we, we give him a year if he makes it well, that’s good, but you know, you may not make it so they weren’t planning their study and to start talking about chemo and all of that. And so before that, before that went into effect, the Lord actually came through. I began to pray. I begin to pray for three consecutive months and I, I remember receiving a prophetic word. And I remember you know, hearing God speaking through this pastor, this guest speaker again to our church, and God basically said your testimony is going to be known around the world. So I just knew that God was going to heal me. And so I was holding into that word. And next day, I went to see the doctor and, you know, to make a long story short, they, you know, they took an x-ray three hours later.

Alejandro Arias (13:53):
They called me and called my mom. I was with, with my mom. And so they walked us into the doctor’s office and the doctor was speechless. Like, you know, I’m taking your medical file, I’m looking at all the files and looking at the history. And there’s no way for this test to come back, you know, with a different result. And he was astonished, you know, he couldn’t believe it is looking at the test. It’s like, I know what to tell you. All I know is that this is a miracle. So at that moment, I just knew that God had a special destiny for me. And I just devoted my life to preaching the gospel to my friends, to my family members, to people around the community, you know passing out literature. It was my favorite hobby giving out tracks and, you know, talk, talking to people about bowel Jesus.

Alejandro Arias (14:44):
It was my favorite hobby. So that’s what I did. And my dad knew that. And so that’s why he, he, he me to do it and, you know, out in the public and he met this missionary and he happened to have a pile of tracks. And that’s how the conversation that started when the missionary asked him about me and, you know, my story, my dad told him, named the missionary, decided to invite me. And that’s how the Lord just, you know, open a chapter of ministry, which has been a journey, you know, more than 22 years of ministry. That’s when that everything started.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:18):
It sounds like your ministry really got started when you were healed of this tumor that had invaded your body. What role do miracles play in your ministry today?

Alejandro Arias (15:33):
Well, that’s such a good question because I, I believe that is number one and knowing thing you know, I, I love preaching to the loss. I love seeing, you know, the last come to Jesus, but I also love seeing miracles and seeing, you know, the power of God at work. So I started seeing miracles at a very young age. It, you know, I saw the miracle with my with this tumor that disappeared, the Lord just removed that and was gone. And the Lord healed me of all their things like prototype test and chronic asthma and things like that. And at the age of, you know, when I was doing these rallies at the park a lady two weeks into this, came to one of the meetings she heard about the revival meetings. She came forward. And she, you know, she told me what was going on.

Alejandro Arias (16:30):
She had been dealing with cancer with a rare type of cancer. It had invaded her bones. And so she was dying. I mean, she looked like she was almost dead, you know, to be honest, I mean, she was pale. She was really sick. You know, she had the sick look in her face. And so I just had faith and I just laid hands on her. I prayed, you know, rebuke the spirit of death. And two weeks later she came back and she had a, a folder and she was so excited, you know, she was so happy to see me. And, you know, she was almost like, you know, like jumping and with joy. And so she came around and she’s just like, you gotta see this, you gotta see this. And so she told me this story, she was totally cancer-free at that day, when not prayed for her, she received the power of the holy spirit.

Alejandro Arias (17:23):
She was healed. Two weeks later in the, during the period of two weeks, she was experiencing a lot of miracles in her body. And so her body just recovered quickly and the power that God healed, you know, her body and remove the cancer. And two weeks later, she comes back with a medical report she’s cancer free. And so we begin to see a lot of this miracles. You know, a lot of people then brought the sick, you know, the deaf, the blind, you know, with different needs. And we begin to see a mighty move of God. You know, this revival took place right there, right there, out in the public square of five weeks of consecutive meetings every Saturday. And God, we did the roof. I mean, we had young people, kids, you know, families, whole families that would just come and there would be like glued to this you know, evangelistic outreach.

Alejandro Arias (18:16):
And it wouldn’t move. You know, they would stay there because he had no idea. It was so strong. It was like a magnetic field. You know, when the anointing is like that, when it’s moving like that, it becomes like a magnetic field. And so people were just stuck to their seats or wherever they were standing, even taxi drivers would help. They would dump out of their taxi and they would just, you know, listen to the gospel and come forward and receive Christ. It was that kind of annoying thing was very special. They’re unique. And so at the end of the five weeks and missionary, you had to wind up the meetings and he felt he needed to go back to Venezuela, to Euro you know I guess he to take care of some personal affairs and some of his business deals. Anyway, he said he was gonna shut down the meetings.

Alejandro Arias (19:01):
And I was really upset. I was really sad, you know, emotionally distraught. He was like, this is my, you know, my first love. I mean, I’m doing this for five weeks. I’m all excited. I’m building momentum. God is doing amazing things. And then all of a sudden, this missionary tells me he needs to wind up and shut down the meetings. And you know, he’s almost like blessing me and same song, you know, I believe in you keep going. That’s got amazing things for you. I see that your destiny is promising. So he’s almost like, you know, releasing me. And I was really disappointed. Daniel. I went back home. I was really upset, almost mad. You know, I’ve got like, I can’t believe this is happening to me. I’m like eating the best season of my childhood and I’m living my dream. And this missionary is about to shut down the meetings because I was having fun.

Alejandro Arias (19:48):
I mean, I was having a great time. You know, every Saturday seen God move miracle signs and wander salvations. He was awesome. So that night the missionary had a dream and an angel came into his bedroom and spoke to this missionary and basically gave him instructions. You are take care of this young man. You are taken to Venezuela with you. You are pay for his airfare. You are to provide for him while he’s in Venezuela to take care of his food. And all of these expenses does ongoing to give somebody something amazing. And so this missionary, you know, he obeyed in the next few days later, and then the next Saturday or last meeting, he basically had a one-on-one meeting with me and he told me the stream. And he said, oh man, I really feel like you, you need to come with me to Venezuela.

Alejandro Arias (20:42):
I don’t know how this is going to be possible because your dad is not a believer, but we’re going to pray and we’re going to believe God. And so what I told my mom, she was excited, but then she’s like well, you’re a miner and my husband is an unbeliever. So I don’t know how this is going to work, but you know, it had to be God. So when I went to my dad and I approached him and I told him the dream and you know, everything that was going on, I mean, my dad was taking me to these meetings. So he was seeing some of these miracles. He was a firsthand witness. They would actually you know, at the end of the meeting, see what I asked questions to those who received miracles, that he were interrogate people, you know, almost like telling me it’s not real, you know, real miracle.

Alejandro Arias (21:27):
Yeah, exactly. He was so curious and so hungry at the same time, but he couldn’t understand it, you know? And he’s in his mindset as an unbeliever, he was trying to rationalize everything. And so when I told him my dad, my dad just went quiet and we were actually having dinner. And he says, you know what? I ended up, I had a dream last night and I saw something weird. I never dream of airport airplanes, but I just saw you at the airport. And we were saying goodbye to you. You were waiting and you were going somewhere. And so, you know, this is before I even share my dream because I hadn’t, I hadn’t even started, you know, I hadn’t said a word, you know? And so I’m standing there and all I’m like, well, dad, I’m about to tell you something I’m about to tell you.

Alejandro Arias (22:22):
I’m about to share this invitation that I just received it from, you know, our friend Orlando, he wants to take me to Venezuela with him. So my dad is like, well, you know, I, I barely know this guy. I’ve only met him a couple of times, but I believe this, this has gotten, you know, he even said it like, this has gotta be God, you know, he wasn’t a good Catholic, but you know, he, the loader was really working with them. And then he was starting to kind of, you know, come to that realization that there was a supernatural God that something was going on that God really was, you know, doing some things in his life. And so God began to deal with him, you know, and a few weeks later he came to Christ. That’s when I, I actually bothered him to one of my meetings and he got saved, but this is how everything started. It all started in Venezuela, this missionary July 1st, 1999, that was my first international trip. And so I went to Venezuela. I did a bunch of meetings preached the first time, you know, in front of hundreds of people. Then, you know, some Christian radio stations heard that I was in town. They invited me, we, I had interviews, TV interviews. And so everything that I had been prophesied and it, you know, over by different prophets, it all came to pass in one trip.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:52):
That’s tremendous what a tremendous viewpoint you have on what God is doing around the world. You were born in Costa Rica, ministered it all over Latin America. And then you married a wife from Australia. You are living in Orlando, Florida, but working next week over in Africa and doing crusades over there. So with this bird’s eye view of all these different places where God is moving, what are some of the most exciting things that you’ve seen that God is doing right now?

Alejandro Arias (24:35):
Well, I believe this is the best time for return. I mean, I have no doubts that the Lord is about. And then we are leaving in a post pandemic season. There is a great falling away happening, but at the same time, there was a great revival. And it’s kind of you know, is happening side by side. It is a parallel situation where you have God moving around the world and you have God staring up the hearts of the hungry and the thirsty have got awakening, new generation of believers. And you have God even using a nameless and faceless generation. It’s like, God is really doing some amazing things. He’s bringing some people out of you know, out of the cave, you know, and, and putting them out on the spotlight. And so God is really using some amazing voices right now.

Alejandro Arias (25:29):
People that we haven’t heard of people that have never written a book, or they don’t have a website and have a Facebook profile, nothing yet God is doing something in this hour. This, why do you need where God is using a new generation of evangelist? And so I’m excited to see that I’m excited to be part of that because you know, I’ve been doing this for almost, you know, of two decades or more, and it I’ve seen God raise some evangelists and profits, and I’ve seen all their boy preachers, you know, come after me. And, and the Lord has really done amazing things. But what I’m seeing in this hour, it’s like, God has decided to put his foot on the accelerator. And this is revival time. This is harvest time. This is a time where we need to be awake. We need to cease the opportunity that God is giving us.

Alejandro Arias (26:19):
And don’t waste any time, because time is precious. You know, time, I know that we have the same inner ear in America. You know, time is money and, you know, time is equivalent to money. Well, in having time is equivalent to a divine appointment. So we got to seize our opportunities in God, we gotta have a, a kingdom mindset and we gotta use every resource. God has given us to spread the gospel. So that’s what we’re doing. I’m excited. This is the hour for the church. This is the hour where we’re going to see a great awakening among those that are hungry, thirsty, and ready to be used by God. But you also have a great falling away happening too. Where one out of five believers in America. I think that’s what I heard recently. Don’t want to go to church. You know, you have one out of three churches, a lot of churches are shutting down.

Alejandro Arias (27:16):
I mean, a lot of evangelical, a lot of institutionalized churches are shutting down. Like I just I have a friend in a small town out in Iowa, you know, you would probably consider the middle of nowhere, you know, a really small town and the Lutheran church just call him. He’s a senior pastor. He was a pastor of a rather small church. And the pastor called him and said, you know what? We’re about to fold our minister. We’re about to shut down everything. There’s a small group of people that are still wanting to, to meet, but they are actually willing to transition. And if you’re willing to buy this building, this building is a, has been on the market for $500,000, but we’re going to sell it to you for $5,000. So if you’re willing to take this building, we’ll give it to you for $5,000. And we also give you the people. This is the kind of a crazy transactions that we are seeing right now in this hour where God is moving, but in celebrate it, Ray, and he’s awakening the church.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:21):
I think it’s really neat to see how God’s hand has been on you since a very young age in, in my life too. I preached my first sermon when I was six years old, I was called into the ministry when I was five, a prophetess prophesied over me that I was going to be an evangelist. And then at the age of six, I preached my first sermon. And then when I was 10, my parents became missionaries in Mexico. And, and, and so I never had a moment in my life where I back slid or had a time of rebellion. And I think that’s the way God wants it. You know, I, when I share my testimony and say, you know, God’s saved me from a life of alcoholism, God saved me from a life of drug addiction. God saved me from a life of prostitution and theft and a life of murder. You know, God saved me from all that. I never experienced it because ever since I was very young, I’ve been serving God. And it sounds like you’re in the same position. What advice would you give to young people, maybe a child or a teenager, maybe early twenties who feel like they have a call from God on their life? What advice would you give to that young person

Alejandro Arias (29:33):
Pursue the calling? Don’t look back. Believe every prophecy God is giving you, embrace your calling and your destiny, no matter where that takes you. God knows. And he’s got the last word. So pursue your calling and don’t listen to others. Voices. You know, the enemy is going to use a lot of voices to discourage you, to put you down. You know, God’s got amazing things for you. And, you know, I believe in this hour, he’s going to use you. You are needed, your voice is needed. So we need more people like you. And the loan has gone to use millennials generation Z. This is your hour and God’s about to use you big time.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:20):
Another question I have is you really feel like you’re called to be an evangelist. You you’ve really walked in that calling ever since a very young age. And, and nowadays a lot of times when people want to be in ministry, that they immediately think of pastor, okay, I want to be a pastor. And they, they go to school in order to learn how to be a pastor. But you, you have walked in the calling of an evangelist, preaching, the gospel, seeing miracles. What do you think are some of the differences between a calling of an evangelist and maybe some of the other ministry gifts like being a pastor or a teacher in the body of Christ what’s unique about being an evangelist?

Alejandro Arias (31:06):
Well, the unique thing about the evangelistic calling is that, you know, we, we get to share the gospel and we get to take it outside of our local community city nation. We get to take it to the world. You know, that’s a very unique mandate that God has given the evangelist. And I, I believe that you have the evangelistic gifting, you have the evangelistic spirit and even, you know, you know you know, Paul said we, we are all called to evangelize. We’re all called to reach the lost, you know, I think that is the global calling for the body of Christ. Now not everybody’s called to the office of the evangelist, you know, because that’s that’s one of the offices of the five ministries. And so there is a difference between the anointing and the office, and also a difference between the gifting and the office.

Alejandro Arias (32:01):
And then, you know, I have a teaching on this where I break it down, where I actually teach on the spirit and the gifting and the ministry and the office rarely because the office is when he becomes full-time, it becomes your whole life. It becomes your passion. It becomes your, your calling, your primary calling, and you can operate another Colin’s as well. You know, like I can teach, I can prophesize, but I would say my number one calling is a calling of an evangelist. And I love what I’m doing right now. And this is, you know, I can tell you something. I went to Australia recently we, we moved back in 2019 and we had a short season about 10 months during this lockdown in, in 2020, you know, between 2019 and 2020, we were based in Brisbane. And so we experienced the tough lockdown.

Alejandro Arias (32:55):
And so I had the privilege of working with a local church and they actually gave me this role of an associate pastor. And I was enjoying it. I was having a great time, you know, pastoring people getting to work with the local church, doing some of the inner workings of the local church, you know, trying to understand that world and trying to understand how pastors work with our people. And let me tell you something, Danielle I liked it for 10 months, but then after 10 months, I was glad I was out of it. You know, pastors are very, very special people. They have a very special place in my heart, and I can tell you, I just take my hat off to them because what they go through the pressures of ministry that they’re mans the expectations that people have and they place on pastors, you know, is, is unbelievable.

Alejandro Arias (33:50):
So I’m glad that you and I get to just go and share the gospel and we get to, you know inspire a grip and power believers. I’m not saying that our ministries are not challenging at all on the opposite. And you know, our ministries are very challenging, especially when you, we go to places and nations where we have to face witchcraft, where we have to face the monic legions, you know, where we have to face, you know, unbelief, or we have to face unwelcoming spirits, you know there’s some horrible attitudes, you know, I’m sure you’ve dealt with that. I have dealt with bad where pastors and even churches are not very welcoming to the ministry of the evangelists. And so you have to kind of break ground. So every gift has a responsibility and a sign and an anointing. And I think we all need to just learn to recognize or acknowledge honor the different giftings in the body of Christ and the different ministries in the body of Christ. Because just like Paul said, you know, the, the body we’ll work together as one body. You can’t tell your leg, Hey, I don’t need you today. I’m just gonna, you know, I’m going to walk without my legs. That doesn’t work right. You, you need your legs to work. I mean, to walk, you know, so that’s, that’s the thing. We are one body in Christ. And so we need to learn to honor the different giftings too

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:10):
Well, Alejandro, I want to say thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast with me, I’m really excited because in a couple of weeks, we will be together on the mission field in the nation of Malawi. We’re both going there to participate in a big festival with Andrew Palau and the global network of evangelists, which is a network of partnering of different evangelists under the, the ministry of Luis Palau, who is a great Hispanic evangelists from Argentina and is now gone on to heaven. But his, his sons, Andrew and Kevin are continuing the ministry and doing a great job. And so I’m very excited to be there in Malawi with you. And I’m expecting God’s going to do tremendous things. And before you even get to Malawi, you’re, you’re going somewhere else. Where, where are you going?

Alejandro Arias (36:05):
I will be in Tanzania. I’ll be doing a GO evangelism conference with Vernon. So yeah, it’s going to be exciting. I’m expecting the Lord is going to do wonderful things.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:17):
That’s wonderful. Well, I look forward to seeing you and again, thank you so much for being on the podcast with me.

Alejandro Arias (36:25):
Thank you. It was an honor. Appreciate it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:26):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month. You can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (37:47):
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Emanuel Rusu | Russian Church Wants to Reach English Speakers

Emanuel Rusu came to the United States from Ukraine as a young boy. Now he pastors a Russian speaking church near Atlanta, Georgia. But his church desires to reach the English speaking people in their community. Today he talks about the transition Living Water church has experienced as they focus more on evangelism.

Website: https://www.mylivingchurch.com 

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Emanuel Rusu came to the United States from Ukraine as a young boy. Now he pastors a Russian speaking church near Atlanta, Georgia, but his church desires to reach the English-speaking people in their community today. He talks about the transition living water church has experienced as they focus more on evangelism.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:22):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:58):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited to be with my special guest pastor Emanuel Rusu from the living water church in Buford, Georgia. Thank you so much for being with me.

Emanuel Rusu (01:14):
Well, thank you. It is such a pleasure to hang out with you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:19):
Yeah. So tell me about how you first came to America and then how you became a pastor,

Emanuel Rusu (01:27):
Such an amazing story. So I came as a young boy nine years old and we came as refugees from the former Soviet union. And I came with my family’s believers and we love Jesus. And we came to the United States and the Lord has opened up great opportunities, but that’s the way we came with basically nothing and started from scratch. We came to a place where we didn’t know English, so we started going to a small community language oriented church that spoke only Russian to those people who just came from the former Soviet union.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:15):
And how did you become a pastor? You started out first as a youth pastor and then became an assistant pastor. And now you are pastoring the church.

Emanuel Rusu (02:25):
Yeah. So it’s amazing because I never ever thought that I would be in a place in my life where I would be a senior pastor. So I was, I grew up in a family that, that went to church. That was the thing that you do on Wednesday on, on, on Sunday, on Friday. So really church oriented, but never thought I would be doing ministry. So there was a need at the church where help was needed in the youth department. So went into, became the youth pastor. There was a need in the worship department, so became the worship leader and then a associate pastor. And then the time came where became the senior pastor of the church. So it’s quite quite, quite, quite, quite an exciting journey.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:18):
That’s wonderful. Your, your story is a lot like the story of Obed-Edom. You told me that you’re preaching on him next week. And I wrote a book about Obed-Edom, and he starts out as a gatekeeper. Then he becomes a musician and the temple worship group. Then he becomes a leader in the house of God. And then you see his entire family as serving God. And so God seems to have promoted you as you have been faithful to serve him. So that’s, that’s wonderful as this story of Obed-Edom, and that’s really the story of every great servant of God. They, they don’t start in an amazing place, but as they’re faithful to serve, God begins to promote them. And so God has promoted you. And as you have transitioned into being the pastor of the church, you have changed a little bit of the flavor of the church and you showed me a picture. You showed me a picture of how the church used to be. It used to be with pews and it looked very formal. It was beautiful, but it was formal. And when I preach this morning at the church, it was more of a contemporary setting. You’ve got bright lights, you’ve got the sanctuary darken, so everyone can, can focus on what God is doing in there. What brought you to this place where you thought it was a good idea to transition in the flavor?

Emanuel Rusu (04:39):
Yeah. So throughout throughout just going back to what we were talking about just recently throughout ministering, you know, being faithful in the little things, I just began to notice that the church is not only a place where we come to pray, but it’s so much more, it needs to be so much more. And so as throughout the years, as I noticed that I, it became, became evident that if we don’t have the young generation in the church, then it’ll just become a club of older saints, which has awesome. But we’re you know, one of the things that we’re all about is for the generations. And so we’re thinking ahead, we’re praying ahead. We’re, we’re, we’re planning ahead three to four generations ahead. So our thing is we want to, whatever we do today, it’s to make an impact for the third to the fourth generation ahead and how awesome it is that when, when my great grandchildren are talking, talking to their sons and daughters, if, if the Lord tarries and doesn’t come back soon, they would be talking about their, their great, great grandfather did great-grand great mother that really made an, they were building something that, that, that a foundation was so great that that effected them so far.

Emanuel Rusu (06:06):
I had. So, so we’re, we’re about building something that would affect them. And so the question is, what is it that would affect them so far ahead? What is it that would interest the current generation would interest their, their children. And so we understood that, that that church has to be more than just a place where we learn stories of the past. It has to touch them today. And so we’re about, you know, making it impactful and interesting through media through. And it’s interesting how, when, when, when we started doing what we have with the more modern setting, so many of the kids said, sign me up for the immediate team. I want to be a part of, of music want to be a part. And we record music videos, you know iMusic is a big thing of our, our DNA.

Emanuel Rusu (07:00):
And so it, it really sparked a desire interest in the young generation. And because the young kids are excited, their parents are excited to bring them. And so it just caused this chain effect of, and now the kids tugging at their parents let’s go. We want to be a part. The issue with that we used to have before the remodel and before kind of the new direction was to the members and to the commerce, please help us out. We need help at the church. We need someone to volunteer, you know, do it for the Lord, please, please, please. And now the issue that we have is being creative because so many, there’s so many volunteers that said, sign us up. We want to do something. And so we have to be creative of new ideas, how to bring people, put people in different places of, of, of the ministry so that they would be active. So it’s a great new problem to have, but that, that that’s really at the center focus is, is how do we effect, how do we impact the the generations to come? And so the things that we purchase, the things that we are part of really have that thought pattern, you know, it’s not, how can we have fun today? Which, which is great, but also how can we impact the future generations

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:30):
And another transition? Sorry. That’s wonderful. Another transition that you’re you’re thinking about right now is reaching out to a new language group. So your church historically has been primarily Russian speaking people. You translate all your services into Russian in the churches full of people from Russia, from Ukraine, from Moldova, what other countries are represented?

Emanuel Rusu (09:02):
Well, the mass amount of people is from the former Soviet union. The country that you mentioned was Becca, Stan, Kazakh, Stan. But we understood that the Lord has placed us in this country, in this community, not just for us to be comfortable in a certain culture that we came from or a certain language that is near and dear to us. But we ought to open the doors to, and really come out of the four walls because sometimes the four walls they limit us and, but to come out of, to build beyond the walls. And so we understood if that is our mission, we can’t hold onto a language, right, because the gospel is for, for, for everyone. And so we understood that. And when we said, Hey, we’re for the community, the local community, we we’re, we’re now seeing people that are from, from different backgrounds, whether it’s south America, Asia, the United States Latin, you know, people from, from you know, from that background, Spanish speaking people, American people.

Emanuel Rusu (10:22):
And so we said, okay. So if we continue with, you know preaching in English with a Russian translation, we’re going to hit a certain ceiling. And so we said, okay, so we have to structure ourselves in such a way that we’re still a blessing to the Russian speaking community, but we’re reaching our immediate community that is speaking in English. And so we just had to make some steps that might’ve not been comfortable to us in the beginning, but as, as much as we’re talking about it and making those steps, we’re saying, Lord, this is the right thing. This is your heart. This is what we are have been planted here for, is to, is to preach the gospel to this community that’s around us and also not forgetting the roots. And so we said, okay, we can do both things. We can have a service in Russian. We can have a service in, in English, and we can also have a service in any of the language because we want to make sure that that building is operating to its full capacity. Man, I can be there 24 7. It doesn’t matter, but I want to see the name of Jesus lifted up. I want to see souls being saved. I want to see people being on fire. And so, however God will use us for that. We’re ready.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:40):
And so you have a motto that you are going after people’s families and generations. So we’ve kind of talked about generations and we’ve talked about different peoples talk to me about families, how are you reaching?

Emanuel Rusu (11:53):
So we have different things that we’re a part of. Like we have couples ministry, we have youth ministry just, kick-started a middle school ministry. We have kids choir. We’re about to do go big into different arts for our, our, our young children. And so we really care about the marriage unit where biblical biblical principles in, in, in the family. And so I feel like so many people, it’s a breath of fresh air when they really, really hear someone speaking about the family unit, someone talking about, you know having a strong marriage. And so much of that seeming is lost because, you know the movies and the shows and what we hear on the radio really will have us, you know, believe something else. And so when we begin to talk about, well, what does the word of God says, you know speaking life into family, speaking life, into their marriage, people really begin to respond to that.

Emanuel Rusu (13:02):
And so, and so they, they, they go to a place where they were there, they come alive where they, they, they hear what God has to say about them, what God has to say about their family. And so we see great results in that. And so we’re, we’re basically pouring our time, treasure talent into kids, into marriages, into families because we believe if they’re healthy, if they’re, if they’re you know, coming alive, others around the community, people at work or at, at the grocery store will see something different. Is that is that Eli chef or remembered that that woman saw Elijah walking back and forth and she said, this man is different. And so we, we just, we just want to bring, bring that, that, that life back into the families live back into young people. So on and so forth,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:00):
You invited me here to the church to impart a spirit of evangelism to talk about evangelism. So last night we did a master class talking about different ways of leading people to Jesus. And then this morning, I really focused on being an outreach oriented church instead of inward focus. How do you feel that the, the message was received by your church and how did it speak to where you are at this time?

Emanuel Rusu (14:28):
So some of the things we were talking about before it was, Hey, we can’t live for ourselves. And one thing that you said this morning, which was really powerful about we can be closed off a group of people. We can form a circle and our backs will be facing the world. We be fishermen that never get to fish. And now that that’ll bring frustration inside the church. And so I feel like this is such an important message for every church to be able to to hear. And, and to remember that this is a major calling for the church. You know, you mentioned something this morning that we can have all night prayers. We can pray until we’re blue in the face. We can, you know, we can, we can worship, we can do it, have all of these programs, but if we’re not about souls winning souls, we’re really leaving out a major thing that Jesus spoke to us to do the great commission.

Emanuel Rusu (15:33):
And so I feel like we’re in a part of a, of, of a season where the church needs to turn back to to, to soul winning. I think we it’s really easy to start, really start focusing on yourself again, you know, the different programs, this and that. But if we’re not about winning souls, if we’re not about evangelism, something’s going to be missing and we’re going to be arguing over, like you said, the carpet, the color of the carpet, you know the, the, how loud the music is or whatnot. And, and it, it’s all about soul winning. It’s all about, that’s what Jesus is calling us to do.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:14):
You are in the middle of a building project right now. You’ve bought a beautiful building. It’s absolutely gorgeous, has got lots of room and you’re in a process of, of remodeling it. How do you hope that this building will help you to reach this community?

Emanuel Rusu (16:31):
Uh well the projection of the different organizations that this area that we’re moving into is going to have continual growth for the next, at least 10 years. And so it’s, it’s really strategic for us. Even today, as we were evangelizing at the park, a lot of the people that we prayed over met and spoke to just move from a different part of the country. And and so it’s very strategic for us to be in this place, because even though this is a major area in the Atlanta Metro region, but there’s not that many church churches in this area that are really doing a lot of things to reach other people. So we, we really feel like this has a, a great strategic place for us. And so we’re excited about doing the, the building in, in, in really a great way of building it up, having great visuals and, and, and a beautiful area, but the whole purpose why we are doing that is to bring people into a place where they can see their grow, where they can see themselves grow, where they can see their teenagers and young adults being being able to grow into a individual that they’re, they’re doing the, the purposes and things of God.

Emanuel Rusu (18:07):
So, so just, just I think, I think it bolds down to everything that we do. We want to see people saved, and we want to see people grow into their purpose in the Lord.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:21):
I thought the outreach that your church did tonight was really tremendous. We went to a park right near where your new location is on one side there’s basketball courts. On the other side, there are volleyball courts and it was beautiful weather. So, oh, all the courts were full of people. And so we set up a little sound system, did worship led by Phillip Renner. It was really powerful. And then appreciate a little message. And the many members from the church came out, we were giving away hot dogs and water to people and praying with them. And I think this was just really a tremendous way to involve the church in evangelism. And, and so what are some ideas that you have for reaching out to

Emanuel Rusu (19:08):
The community? Well, the, the park thing is really awesome. We also did things like we went to major and other major park in the Atlanta region where there’s a lot of foot traffic and did something similar as well. So I think it’s very effective. And I can tell you that in, in the very beginning, it feels very scary. So to say, right, you’re unsure, this is something new. I mean, even for me, I’m used to speaking with people, but this, this was a new experience. And it took me like two, three times, and now it’s, it’s so enjoyable. I so want to talk to people because it, it’s amazing to be able to hear their story and say, Hey, I want to pray for you. And the amazing part is they’re really hoping someone, they would meet someone that cares for them that will lead them into you know, prayer or, or it’s, it’s a beautiful thing. When you get to meet people who are willing to pray for you to willing to tell you about Jesus and I, and I think it makes their day. I think it’s such a beautiful thing that the church needs to do more of.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:25):
Amen. Well, pastor is such a privileged privilege to be here with you at your church. I believe that in the years to come, your church is going to grow by leaps and bounds. I pray that God will give you a great harvest of souls here in Georgia and even to other parts of the world. So thank you for being on the evangelism podcast. Thank

Emanuel Rusu (20:47):
You so much for leading that masterclass and preaching such a powerful message, which brings us back into the great commission and what the Lord has sent us to do.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:58):
Thank You, pastor. God bless you. God bless you. Thank you. Thanks for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar, you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (22:04):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

 

Fernando Fleming | Apostolic Leader in the Dominican Republic

Fernando Fleming has organized almost two hundred crusades in the Dominican Republic and Haiti for dozens of evangelists. Today he talks (in Spanish) about what God is doing on the island of Hispaniola in the Caribbean. You will be inspired by his faith and he talks about the miracles he has seen God do.

Connect with Fernando Fleming on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/fernando.fleming 

Visit Resurreccion y Vida church: https://www.facebook.com/Resurreccion-y-Vida-124820804211870

Learn about evangelism from Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):

Fernando Fleming has organized the most 200 crusades in the Dominican Republic and Haiti for dozens of evangelists today, he talks in Spanish about what God is doing on his island. In the Caribbean. You will be inspired by his faith. As he talks about the miracles he has seen God do.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:19):

Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:54):

Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special friend. He’s been a friend for many years for Nando Fleming from Dominican Republic. Thank you for joining me today.

 

Fernando Fleming  (01:17):

[Speaking in Spanish]To have an encounter again with you. Can I make [Speaking in Spanish]Pedro [Speaking in Spanish]remind me that you are a young man, but working with you, man, Microsoft [Speaking in Spanish]passion for the soul and for the nations. [Speaking in Spanish]Every evangelist has to have that passion for the souls into the world to talk about [inaudible]. And even though you’re a young man, [Speaking in Spanish]you have been a big blessing for the world. [Speaking in Spanish] mainly for my nation, the it and hate [Speaking in Spanish]because you can’t [Speaking in Spanish]to ministry. The word meant that we need to solve. And not only you came by yourself, also, you brought the [Speaking in Spanish]to continue going to the Dominican Republic. [Speaking in Spanish]Being a great blessing for [inaudible]. And for me, it’s a pleasure and honor to be with you in this moment.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:25):

I remember the very first crusade that I came to be with you was in Puerto Plata. It was my second crusade. And I still did not know very much about preaching, but you worked very hard and we had a very good crusade there and Porto Plata. Do you remember that?

 

Fernando Fleming  (02:49):

[Speaking in Spanish]Okay. You were coming from Honduras. They didn’t have that crusade over there. [Speaking in Spanish]Got broken. So you remember that you came to Puerto Plata, local mall. And I remember like [Speaking in Spanish]because it was really impactful what God did meet up [Speaking in Spanish]you know, for us to organize that crusade, it was hard for us [Speaking in Spanish]because my guys even were taken to Gale [Speaking in Spanish]the theories from the city gave us the permission for the crusade. [Speaking in Spanish]When they saw how many promotions and posts they saw on the city, no Yamato. Then they called us and they took our permission away. They said we will not permit [inaudible].

 

Fernando Fleming  (03:41):

The entire city is [inaudible]. I didn’t know what to do. No one took him off. We were hauled out. And then my guys and I went to pray [Speaking in Spanish]and they came back to the governor for the seat [Speaking in Spanish]and I said to him, who has invested so much money [Speaking in Spanish]and this is a touristic place. [Speaking in Spanish]These people are going to bring like a group of north American [inaudible]. If I tell them those news, they okay. Know how many they will not come for. [Speaking in Spanish]that’s not going to be good for the [Speaking in Spanish]because it’s a touristic city. Okay. And then he said, okay, then I’m assuming I may have a couple of meetings to jam all a policy called the police charge and lay my guys go out of jail. [Speaking in Spanish]Longer not explaining, well, don’t do anything yet. Wait [Speaking in Spanish]we were just three days away from the, for the crusade, the Birmingham and okay. And then he called me, he said, okay. He, he seemed more like a silo. And then we have the crusade. [Speaking in Spanish]Incredibly [Speaking in Spanish]because [Speaking in Spanish]nobody knew yet. And you were like, yo, man [Speaking in Spanish]were not popular. [Speaking in Spanish]But the people decided to go [Speaking in Spanish]the whole city of port supply. [Speaking in Spanish]Gathering this place. [Speaking in Spanish]And remember that we gave out so many books you send to, to make many books. It don’t say [Speaking in Spanish]and then he was such an amazing [inaudible]. And I don’t know if you remember [Speaking in Spanish]but one of those nights it rained. He [inaudible]. And he was running in the whole seat of [Speaking in Spanish]in the place of the crusade where the people were [Speaking in Spanish]30,000 people and it didn’t rain [inaudible].

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:45):

Yeah, I do remember this miracle. It was raining all over the city and our whole team was praying. We’re praying saying, God, you have to give us good weather. And so the sky opened up above the area of the crusade, everywhere else was raining. And just in the place of the crusade, there was no rain. And we saw so many miracles at that Crusader. I remember there was one boy. He was named Valentino. He was about maybe like eight years old. And he was deaf and dumb. He couldn’t speak, but Jesus healed him. And he came up and began to speak in front of the whole crowd. And everyone was talking because that was a great miracle. And I remember there was another miracle at that crusade. There was a little girl who she had been in an accident and she was in like a wheelchair. She couldn’t walk. And so her mother brought her to the crusade and, and she was not healed the first night, but then she took her home and put the little girl in bed. And then the next morning in the other room, the mother felt a tap on her shoulder. And her little girl had gotten up and walked from her room over. You remember that?

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:57):

She came and brought the testimony

 

Fernando Fleming  (07:01):

To this, to the crusade. [Speaking in Spanish]Again, you guys were not popular preachers [Speaking in Spanish]but it was a risk with you guys and God made it [inaudible]. And then after that, you’ll be perceived. That’s when they saw [Speaking in Spanish]is that where it started? And we made [Speaking in Spanish]and I remember that pastor villager would tell me, look, [Speaking in Spanish]you have learned in this share with others [Speaking in Spanish]and then we have made crusades to other people [Speaking in Spanish]people in the crusades. See?

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:56):

Yeah. And so, since that time, you, you have organized many crusades for, for many of my friends Dr. Jack Myers comes Peter Youngren has been with you. Mike friends seen Billy Joe Doherty. You, you have had so many great evangelists that have come Andrew Palau and the whole Palauan team.

 

Fernando Fleming  (08:18):

Mike May go law. I love him.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:21):

Yeah. And so, so many people have come and, and worked with you. And you’ve been doing crusades in the Dominican side of the island, but also going to the Haiti side, which Dominican and Haiti, they share the same island, but they’re very different. I remember we did a crusade in Cape, Haitian in Haiti and also in one, a men. And it is very different. It’s very difficult. Sometimes working. [inaudible]

 

Fernando Fleming  (08:50):

Really difficult. [Speaking in Spanish]Yeah, [Speaking in Spanish]in Haiti is really, really hard singing. [Speaking in Spanish]However, we were able to see the glory of God. I quit. [Speaking in Spanish]Like when I’m in there, I remember it. For example, in [Speaking in Spanish]the amount of Mirakuru [Speaking in Spanish]we were praying, she lost so much weight. [Speaking in Spanish]Fail, power [inaudible]. And then we also saw in that Tuesday, it was a whole week of crusade [Speaking in Spanish]and people would move to the crusade side. Even to the day of today. I saw somebody on site that was many years ago, pips on, well, even today, they still have the poster of the promotion [Speaking in Spanish]and everything. I go around [Speaking in Spanish]they’re always asking me, you can come in back, [Speaking in Spanish]back there with all the pictures [Speaking in Spanish]but they always remember [Speaking in Spanish]extraordinary. And it’s so good. [Speaking in Spanish]Because that’s what [Speaking in Spanish]glory of God manifested [Speaking in Spanish]makes people to come to the [Speaking in Spanish]and at the end, that’s the goal. God Alma, Barclays win souls for Christ.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:28):

Yeah. I remember one night in, in one, a man, we, we had five nights of services there and on the fourth night was holy spirit night. And so we were praying for people to be filled with the holy spirit. And on that night, a white dove came and flew three times around the crusade, the crusade. And then it perched on the banner behind where the crusade was. And I said, wow, that is amazing. The holy spirit has come Stacy. And, and I remember in Kate patient, when we were in Kate patient, you remember we were in the main Plaza, right in the middle of the city.

 

Fernando Fleming  (11:07):

Remember [Speaking in Spanish]we had so many problems. The crusade was not supposed to be there. [Speaking in Spanish]Soccer, c’mon soccer. The crusade was supposed to be in a soccer stadium. [Speaking in Spanish]But he doesn’t know if [Speaking in Spanish]they took the permission. [Speaking in Spanish]Crusade. They took the permission. [Speaking in Spanish]I told you that because I didn’t like to give back. [Speaking in Spanish]Like to give back [Speaking in Spanish]were saying to us, the whole seed is going to go to the crusade [Speaking in Spanish]and they are going to damage the grass [Speaking in Spanish]and you know, that new grass in the stadium [Speaking in Spanish]and there are 30 said to me, [Speaking in Spanish]for us to be able to have that grass [Speaking in Spanish]we worked for five years. When I say mama, and you in one week, we’re going to destroy. The entire seed is going to go to the number. We want to set up a lot. So we went to the [inaudible],

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:26):

Remember that the, the Archbishop of the Catholic church, he was upset about us being there because it was right in front of the beautiful white cathedral. And so they, they were angry and even on yeah. Radio. And they said

 

Fernando Fleming  (12:40):

That like, that place belongs to them, actually.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:42):

Yeah. And, and, and on the radio, they said, these people that are coming, you don’t go tannic. But every night there were great miracles. Jesus was healing. So many people. And so we would give the testimony, Jesus healed me. My ear was healed. My arm was healed. My I can walk now. And so he, he was listening. And after several days of the crusade, the Archbishop of the Catholic church called us and says, I hear the miracles. I believe this is Jesus. And he says, will you come and pray with me?

 

Fernando Fleming  (13:24):

[Speaking in Spanish]They didn’t want to allow us to be there in front of the Plaza [Speaking in Spanish]shop. And he didn’t want us to be there. [Speaking in Spanish]But the people came, Vino people came ultimately, and again, God glory, if you have wind up on the [Speaking in Spanish]Jesus words, when he does those moments, those moments are going to get there again. This one call you after COVID, we’re going to go back to it.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:58):

Many years ago, one of the people that came with us on the team, they had a prophetic gift and they prophesied over you and said that God is raising you up with an app, historic anointing, the anointing of an apostle for the Dominican Republic. And since that time, you have done crusades across Dominican, across Haiti, you have been on television, you have been on radio. You have a beautiful church that God has given you. And, and, and Barahona, and it is so magnificent to see the influence and the, the blessing that God has given on your menu, even, how am I

 

Fernando Fleming  (14:41):

Going to, let me tell you this [Speaking in Spanish]I knew I was going to [Speaking in Spanish]they’re in my city. [Speaking in Spanish]You spoke about the TV, Canada. [Speaking in Spanish]I used to cover the city of [inaudible], but you know, the Dominican Republic has 33 cities. You’re the boy I went out on the air and then I said, I’m going to see Danielle [Speaking in Spanish]because I want him to be with me and support me in this project. [Speaking in Spanish]Because now our TV challenge is not only for the one city national. Now she, the whole seat Dominican Republic, CC [Speaking in Spanish]has been working. [Speaking in Spanish]Doesn’t have anything with do with [Speaking in Spanish]church has, has grown. [Speaking in Spanish]Has grown in the middle of the pandemic. More [Speaking in Spanish]in the calling of [Speaking in Spanish]in what God has placed in us. [Speaking in Spanish]Believe me. I’m happy. [Speaking in Spanish]Because the only thing that changes, I own a persona, a personal model of being from bad to good is Jesus.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:07):

Amen. Now all these different, great leaders, great evangelists have come and worked with you. What are some of the things that you have learned from these evangelists? I remember one time you told me a lesson from pastor Billy Joe Doherty, and to help me be a better evangelist. Do you remember that?

 

Fernando Fleming  (16:27):

SI SI SI Bina. [Speaking in Spanish]I’ve worked with so many people, emotional number, many men names. [Speaking in Spanish]I will not mention now I say squalor, but that’s cool. You guys pass your calls that at school beat or the Christian center victory Christian center [Speaking in Spanish]is a school [inaudible]. And if we learn from him, [Speaking in Spanish]it’s like getting closer to Jesus and being closer to Jesus for the hemp. For example, [Speaking in Spanish]that passion for the soap. [Speaking in Spanish]Totally feels, he goes faster. Billy y’all transmitted that where the passion for the soul [Speaking in Spanish]humility, humbleness from [inaudible]. He hasn’t seen that in anybody. And I did not. Nobody. I’m gonna have to let me give you a testimony. [inaudible]

 

Fernando Fleming  (17:26):

I was with possibility in Haiti. [Speaking in Spanish]In our, in our, in our city called careful [Speaking in Spanish]mothers in mid persona. And the last night of the crusade, we have more than 100,000 people in your medicine. And I get close to pastor and I told him [Speaking in Spanish]15 minutes. [Speaking in Spanish]We’re going to hand you the microphone. You know, we’re going to worship for 15 minutes because people are here. Ready? [Speaking in Spanish]People came from the miracle. [Speaking in Spanish]We’re going to hand you the microphone. And pastor Billy Joe told me no, no Kim sent me no bill, 15 minutes. [Speaking in Spanish]The preacher of tonight. Maybe also not to me. He gave him his last night [Speaking in Spanish]was a joke. And he said, no [inaudible]. And he ran from him. [inaudible]

 

Fernando Fleming  (18:24):

He kept organizing and you know, keeping attention to the crusade. And he came back to me and he said, you are the preacher [Speaking in Spanish]scripture from the Bible. And preach tonight. He told y’all see your thoughts. And even so I was like this. And then he handed me the microphone [Speaking in Spanish]and I spent seven minutes and after seven minutes I handed him back the microphone. He said, no, no I [inaudible]. Well, I worked with so many preachers. I know that that’s really hard. They’d never give away the microphone [Speaking in Spanish]that I’ve worked with. I can say, look, we got to say it. You’re the one who knows more about crusade. It’s a mental DNA out of a movie. When, and also you have something really good. [Speaking in Spanish]I know so many people have it. [Speaking in Spanish]And it’s that you help others to become great. I can remember. And that’s a huge blessing.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:30):

Amen. Yeah. I remember that. The lesson you taught me from, from possibility to authority. You said that one night possibility Joe was finished preaching. He was ministering to thousands of people. Great miracles. And then when he walked off the platform, there was a lady there who came for prayer and he’s spent time just praying for her spending time with her taking making sure that she was cared for. And you saw me one time. I was preaching. And then when I got off the platform, I run to my car and drive off to the hotel. And you told me, Daniel, you need to spend more time caring for the people. And I always remember that big. And now when I go to a crusade, I always make sure anyone who wants prayer take the time. And because that’s what they’re there for. [inaudible],

 

Fernando Fleming  (20:17):

That’s something that possibly he would pay attention to. [Speaking in Spanish]He wouldn’t run from there. Like if he was an artist, he will go one by one. [Speaking in Spanish]Even sometimes if [Speaking in Spanish]he will leave the area, the state from the [Speaking in Spanish]after everybody would have left already. Yes. I’m willing to put it back. And that’s really [inaudible]. That’s like, that’s why for me, it was a privilege to work with possibility, Joe [inaudible]. That was amazing. When I basically come more, I think sometimes in Haiti [Speaking in Spanish]we will have security guards for him. [Speaking in Spanish]Would call me. He might say, take those people away. And I would say, pastor, I’m sorry. [Speaking in Spanish]They have to be there. That’s okay. And he’ll say, okay. [Speaking in Spanish]And then after we were done, he would say to me, [Speaking in Spanish]your thing. Where are you sure that it was necessary for them to be here? You’ll see. And then I say, yes, pastor. Yes. See, I’m not going to him for the answer. He was such a great experience.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:27):

You’ve done so many crusades, more than a hundred more than you, would you say 200, 200 crusades in Dominican and in Haiti, what do you think the impact of those crusades have, has been, have the churches growing? Has it had an impact on the nation? Okay.

 

 

Fernando Fleming  (21:51):

[Speaking in Spanish]he, hasn’t only been that the churches have grown [Speaking in Spanish]but also the city takes a different attitude. [Speaking in Spanish]Like, if you started like the life of [inaudible], they go to talk to one another and over and over [Speaking in Spanish]because they know what, that, the only thing that changes a city, a country is the gospel [inaudible]. And I think that it’s smart for an evangelist or for the pastor to take territory. I say, go to that country. [Speaking in Spanish]many times it’s necessary. I can be able to pay in order for them to change the [Speaking in Spanish]change. Our country [Speaking in Spanish]change. [Speaking in Spanish]Change the way people will look at the gospel. So that’s like that.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:58):

Sometimes it’s very difficult to organize crusades. What are some of the biggest challenges and problems you’ve faced in organizing crusades

 

Fernando Fleming  (23:09):

May not be like [Speaking in Spanish]he will always be difficult. What? I have brilliant because in my case, [Speaking in Spanish]when the evangelists allow me to have the city for the crusade. [Speaking in Spanish]I go three days to the, to that city. It Camino and I walk around [Speaking in Spanish]and I ain’t checking around what God wants in the moment for the city. [Speaking in Spanish]If it’s a good city, it doesn’t matter. [Speaking in Spanish]I just want to receive the tip from God it’s him. Okay. And then we’ll say, okay, [Speaking in Spanish]that had been to Aquino. And I said, no, not here. [Speaking in Spanish]That’s the first thing we’re looking for God’s direction. And they’ll say, [inaudible], what’s the main challenge or challenge of this [Speaking in Spanish]that it doesn’t rain. We don’t want it to rain. [inaudible]

 

Fernando Fleming  (24:05):

We don’t want it to rain so that people can come to this, to, to the area. However, though, [Speaking in Spanish]we have seen so much rain and get a castle up with the plot. I do. You remember important? The plateau and people stayed there [Speaking in Spanish]once we were in San Francisco with Dr. Jack Myers [Speaking in Spanish]and it rained a lot and people stayed [Speaking in Spanish]with pastor Billy Jo [inaudible], Billy Jo at 7:00 PM. No, I’m hoping that we will not have the crusade today. And he said, why [Speaking in Spanish]because it rained the last few, like [Speaking in Spanish]CDs full of water. [Speaking in Spanish]The place of the crusade. We only have like 50 people in [Speaking in Spanish]and he said to me, no. And he said, if there’s one person I’m going to go to preach. And there were 50 people seeing Metro, like 100 meters. I mean, I don’t know no CMBS until you got a [inaudible].

 

Fernando Fleming  (25:19):

Okay. 100 feet before I Wade from that, from the stage [Speaking in Spanish]couldn’t keep going. So we got off the call [Speaking in Spanish]and the water was covering him, both his knees coming down. And we were walking in the water until we got to the field. [Speaking in Spanish]Five minutes later [Speaking in Spanish]there were more than 7,000 people that live to say equal phenol. And by the end of the [inaudible], the crusade was done with more than 20,000 people. [Speaking in Spanish]in the middle of the rain. So like, our challenge has been rained [Speaking in Spanish]but God is God, he lost it. And he does because of the people

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:07):

See, amen. What are some of the greatest miracles you have seen? What have you seen do

 

Fernando Fleming  (26:14):

Many I’ll help us out again. We’re going to spend the whole day here. [Speaking in Spanish]I’m going to tell you one. That was really impactful for me. [Speaking in Spanish]My fantasy. I ain’t got a nice act to say for my friend sin, E L L [Speaking in Spanish]and the place was full [Speaking in Spanish]and there was an old woman [Speaking in Spanish]with a boy that was around eight years old. He, so I’m walking, I’m walking towards the stage. [Speaking in Spanish]And the woman touched me like this [Speaking in Spanish]we had around 37,000 people in there and she touched me and [Speaking in Spanish]and she said to me, please tell mommy, Nina, take my key. [Speaking in Spanish]Take him to the state. But I kill all that. So that he prays for angel [inaudible]. You know, that boy was born blind. He had a Nino and the boy [Speaking in Spanish]when he’s, when she finished telling pass dad, and then they blow was touching her over there. No, mommy you’re well, no, mom. I see now, but then my first time he had seen his mother. No, mommy, you will. He was stuck her and saying, no, mom, I see you Yulia. And pastor said, this is incredible. The God [inaudible].

 

Fernando Fleming  (27:39):

And I’ve seen so many [Speaking in Spanish]with pastor Billy Jo homing. There was a young woman Benia she was coming. He’d been on about the forest. He came to the state testimony to give her testimony. [Speaking in Spanish]Went through the depression [Speaking in Spanish]she was walking on the, on the seat of [Speaking in Spanish]and she decided to commit suicide. Y’all hit me with the mother. She said, today’s my last day [inaudible]. And she ran out to take her, take her life flyer. And she found a flyer [Speaking in Spanish]victory for Santiago. And she’s looking at the flyer. And he said, [Speaking in Spanish]victory for Santiago. She kept reading the flyer [Speaking in Spanish]and she said, I’m gonna wait either way, put that on your plate. And then I’m going to go to night for the crusade [Speaking in Spanish]and she went to the crusade, Evie also testimonial. And she gave her a test. She will say yes. And that’s the best miracle. Wow.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:38):

Amen. That’s amazing. God did so many miracles. Well, I am so grateful to know you. It is an honor to have you as a friend, God has raised you up as an apostolic leader in Dominican Republic. And I believe that God will give you the entire nation for Jesus. And I think this, this next stage where you are taking the television channel across the entire country, God will give you a voice. And thousands of people will come into the kingdom of God. And so thank you very much for being on the evangelism podcast with me.

 

Fernando Fleming  (29:17):

Okay. [Speaking in Spanish]Thank you. Then. I would like [Speaking in Spanish]but thank you. I want to say something to you then when I say I need that, I have an old woman [Speaking in Spanish]that I’ve known him for almost 26 years. So, nah, see I’m a board teacher. Her name is [Speaking in Spanish]and we were, I said, [Speaking in Spanish]you are [inaudible]. And when I heard that from her, she’s an old lady [Speaking in Spanish]I said, that’s what makes the difference. [Speaking in Spanish]In this dirt, like integrity. [Speaking in Spanish]For me, for me, it’s an honor to be your friend Siegel. I follow, I follow everything you do. And I think I, for your life [Speaking in Spanish]family, I have blessed you come with them and how good it is. Thank you, Daniel. Thank you so much. God bless you.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:20):

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Josh & Esme Haver | Faithful Youth Pastor Becomes Missionary

Josh Haver was a youth pastor in Austin, Texas and God spoke to him about becoming a missionary. He moved to Mexico and now he is married to Esme. Together they help run a Bible school and do soul winning invasions across Mexico.

Website: https://www.vcharvesters.org/

Check out The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelism Coach Daniel King.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Josh Haver was a youth pastor in Austin, Texas, and God spoke to him about becoming a missionary. He moved to Mexico and now he is married to Esme. Together, they help run a Bible school and do soul winning invasions across Mexico.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:16):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism podcast.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:54):
I’m Daniel King. And today I have some special guests, Josh and Esmerelda Haver our missionaries in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, right across the border from Laredo, Texas, and they are with Victorious Christian Harvesters, the ministry of David and Donna Blanchard. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Josh Haver (01:19):
Thank you, Daniel. It’s a honor, a pleasure for us to be here with you and getting to know you a little bit and, and we just know that God is good.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:27):
Amen. I really want to hear some about your journey about how you became a missionary, because I remember that you used to be one of the youth leaders at victory Christian Church in Austin, Texas under Lee and Sue boss there. And now you’ve made your way to the mission field. How did that happen?

Josh Haver (01:49):
It really started in prayer. I just remember one time I was in prayer and I was in prayer for the youth group going back farther, even than that, I had always enjoyed missions. And so when pastor Lee boss in probably 2002, 2003 sat down with me and, and mentioned that he felt that it was time for me to come and be a part of the staff at the church there, his youth pastor. He also knew that one of my passions was missions. And so part of the deal was, yes, I’ll be a youth pastor, but I get to take the church on mission trips at least once a year. And so one of the very first mission trips I ever took, actually, the first I took as the youth pastor was in November of 2003. And we went down to the Bible school and, and just served in Nuevo Laredo, doing evangelism and the plazas there, painting P whole lot of painting, painting churches, painting benches, painting stairs.

Josh Haver (02:46):
And and that was my first, actually the first time that I was down in Nueva Laredo, fast forwarding a few years I was in prayer one evening just covering the youth in prayer as a youth pastor. There’s a whole lot of prayer that needs to take place. And in the middle of prayer, I just felt the holy spirit. I literally just felt him. It was so strong. It wasn’t an audible voice, but it’s so strong inside of me that I say the Lord spoke to me. And he said, it is time for you now to go and missions and I will supply all of your needs. And so as a, as a good, good pastor and a good believer, I was like, yeah, whatever, you know, I’m a youth pastor high have a focus here. And so I tried to ignore that and it probably went through about six months of just in worship and in prayer every time I was, you know, trying to seek the Lord, that just came back to me.

Josh Haver (03:34):
And so finally I just said, okay, Lord, here’s the deal. I will go and tell my pastor that this is what I feel. And when he tells me no, because I’m so involved in so many different things, he’s going to tell me no. So when he tells me no, then I will say, Lord, I’m sorry. I have to be my pastor. And so I went in, I remember I spoke with pastor Lee and I said, you know, pastor, this is, which is what I feeling. But I would really like you and pastor Sue to pray about it. And he was just like, wow, well, we’ll pray about that. And we’ll, we’ll get back with you. And, and then about two days later, he called me into his office. He said, yeah, John, yep. Josh, you’re going to the missions field. Where are you going?

Josh Haver (04:12):
And my response honestly, was pastor, I thought you were going to say no. So I haven’t even thought about where I’m going. He said, well, what about David down in Nuevo Laredo? You know them, okay. He said, let me give him a call. And, and, and that was probably around March of 2007 and April, 2007. I drove down with a couple of people to go to the graduation of the Bible school to try to feel it out a little bit. And then in may I moved down to Nueva Laredo. I moved down there for, for a couple of years and 15 years later with, for those couple of years, they’re just keeping on rolling. And so when I was down there then is when I began to work with the youth and the Colonia, the neighborhood that we were in, my wife Esmerelda at the time, wasn’t my wife, but she had found that a mission for the youth there. And so since I was just trying to learn Spanish and she spoke a little bit of English, we started working together and, and lo and behold, God opened up my eyes. And I saw that she was the one that he had prepared for me. And then just little by little, just trying to serve where, where God opened up the doors and, you know, and he’s opened up the doors

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:23):
And now you have three beautiful children. And it’s so important that to know that God doesn’t just call individuals, he calls families. Right. And so you are ministering alongside your husband and also raising the children. Talk to me about your romance and how God has put you together and how you work together in ministry. And so now you are directing the Bible school with a victorious Christian harvesters, and you have students that come from across Mexico to be trained. Tell me about the Bible school and what you are trying to impart into the students.

Josh Haver (08:08):
It’s okay. If I can go back to one thing that she said real quick, and then, and then I’ll jump right into the Bible school. I believe it’s so important, you know, God, God calls people, but yet when he looks at a couple, he says that’s one flesh. And so one of the things this summer we’ve had the opportunity to travel quite a bit and minister together. And one of the things I’ve realized is in ministry and in, in, in the service of the Lord, when you put yourself along somebody, the grace that they carry overflows onto you. And so working as a couple, it’s one of the things that I’ve realized, you know, my wife has an amazing grace to flow in the prophetic, and yet as I’m ministering alongside of her, that grace of the prophetic begins to flow through me as well.

Josh Haver (08:58):
And then vice versa, you know, the pastoral or the teacher, you know, annointing that, that I believe God’s placed on my life as she’s administering alongside of me. She begins to operate in a little bit of that grace as well. And so it’s, it’s, it’s so important as a, as a husband and wife, especially, but then as the family, cause the children participate to understand the graces that each one have and allow them to flow in that grace, that grace, but then being willing to receive from that grace as well and say, okay, Lord, I can honor, and I can respect the grace that you’ve put in her life, but I also want to flow in that as well because I’m ministering alongside of her. So that’s just been a blessing to work with, as you mentioned we are now the directors of a Bible school that was founded 20 years ago.

Josh Haver (09:45):
Actually, this September was the very first, the doors were opened on September 11th, 2001. David and Donna Blanchard and, and through Victorious Christian Harvesters, they planted the Institute international. They call such a daughter’s international harvesters Institute. And it, it was founded from a vision that God gave David of, of raising up leaders and ministers to destroy the works of the devil. Jesus said, I’m here to destroy the works of the devil. So therefore we are here to destroy the works of the devil. And so we have ministers, future ministers from all over Mexico that come to receive training. And, and, and what we believe is it’s not enough to receive head knowledge. We want you to take that head knowledge and put it into practice because then it becomes real knowledge and wisdom and understanding. And so our students now like come and they have classes throughout the day, but then they have practice in the afternoons and the evenings this last year, the Lord has opened up the ability for us to, well, because they closed all the other doors through the co the Corona virus pandemic.

Josh Haver (10:52):
We know that God doesn’t close doors. And then, and then leave you shut in. He opens doors. So the doors were opened up in our community to go door to door, like never before. And so our students started participating with several of our staff members, going door to door, knocking on the doors, evangelizing and witnessing, but then saying, would you like us to come and start at a Seipel ship in your house with your family? Would you like us to come and start church with you? And so our students were a part of evangelizing, but then discipling and raising up churches within the community. And that started last September when October opened up and, and with there began to be a few less restrictions. We were able to code to those same people and say, Hey, now come be a part of a larger community.

Josh Haver (11:37):
What we’ve seen God do this last year over 80 homes have opened up in the community around us, where our students are participating with the staff. They’re going to class in the morning, but in the afternoon, they’re putting into practice. We have children’s missions where we send children’s ministry to the homes. We have discipleship families where the cycle, where the church they’re having church in the homes. And so the heartbeat of what we’re seeing now is, is that our students will raise, be raised up with a mindset. We have to win the lost, but not just have to win the loss, but now we have to take care of the lost. And so this summer, as I was traveling and ministering with, with pastors and leaders in several different regions of Mexico, one of my encouragements to them was as a pastor, look for the gifts that God has placed in the people in your congregation.

Josh Haver (12:29):
And if you say that person is called to be a pastor, send them to us because we want to raise them up to be a pastor that has a passion for winning the lost, but also has a passion for caring and edifying and equipping the believers so that they can now go and win the lost. And so in our Bible school, it’s we’re online. We’re in zoom where we have students that come and take classes with us. But really, I would say that the nucleus, the nucleus of, of, of our students are the ones that are the interns that live there. And they have a schedule from five 30 in the morning, till 10 30 or 11 o’clock at night, but it’s a schedule of learning and being trained, putting it into practice. We have pastors in the dorms that then help them walk through the situations that rise up. And so it’s a, it’s an interesting, it’s a, it’s a humbling ministry, but it’s great as well because you’re seeing people being trained to be who God called them to be.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:28):
I’m so impressed with your story of how you went from being a youth pastor to being a successful missionary. What advice would you give to someone who thinks maybe they’re called to missions, but don’t quite know what to do or how to make that come to pass?

Josh Haver (13:46):
What advice would you give him? The biggest thing I would say is get on your face and just listen. One of the things that probably has carried me the most is when I go back to, when I first heard the holy spirit speak, he said, Josh, it is time for you to go into missions and I will supply your needs. And so, you know, the, I started out, I’d joke around. I said, my, my support base has grown kingdom style since I started. And I started with this amount of supporters, and now I have this amount of supporters, but also in that time, I’ve gotten married and had three children, but God said I will supply all your needs. So honestly, that, that has never been a worry, there’s been times where I’ve questioned, but I always go back to that. I said, but God, you said, so you know what? I’m not going to worry about it. So I would have to say that the key is make sure that you know, that the holy spirit said do this and then trust him because if he said it, then he will do it. So on your face before God not looking for your looking for his ideas.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:54):
Amen. Well, let’s finish by praying for Mexico to be saved Esmerelda would you lead us in a prayer for the people of Mexico to come to Jesus?

Esme Haver (15:09):
Praying in Spanish

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:32):
Oh, man. Well, thank you so much for being on the evangelism Podcast…

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David & Donna Blanchard | One Million Bibles for One Million Souls

David & Donna Blanchard set a goal to give one million Bibles to one million souls. After years of doing evangelism invasions across Mexico they have now completed that goal and their new goal is 10 million Bibles for 10 million souls. They have enormous passion for reaching the lost.

David Blanchard, president and founder of VCH, received a vision from the Lord while in a prayer meeting in 1990. He saw the country of Mexico covered with ocean waves. When the waves receded, they left big black Bibles with gold crosses on them. In this vision, God spoke to David telling him to get His Word out “for it will not return to Me empty or void without accomplishing what I’ve sent it forth to do.”

“How many BIBLES do you want me to get out, Lord?” David asked.

“How many SOULS do you want to see saved?” was God’s reply.

David answered, “The whole nation of Mexico!”

“Me too,” said God, “But how many souls do you want to be responsible for?”

“I’m not Dr. Billy Graham nor Dr. T.L. Osborn,” David said, “I’m just meBut I want to see a million souls come to know You.”

“Then,” God commissioned David, “Get One Million BIBLES for One Million SOULS .”

Thus the vision for Victorious Christian Harvesters was born – One Million Bibles/One Million Souls.

Visit David & Donna Blanchard’s Website: https://www.vcharvesters.org/

If you are excited about soul winning, call: The Evangelism Coach, Daniel King at 1-877-431-4276.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
David and Donna Blanchard set a goal to give 1 million Bibles to 1 million souls. After years of doing evangelism invasions across Mexico, they have now completed that goal. And their new goal is to give 10 million Bibles to 10 million souls. They have enormous passion for reaching the lost

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:23):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:59):
Welcome to the evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King. And I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And today we have very special guests with us, David and Donna Blanchard from Mexico. Welcome, and thank you for joining me. [inaudible],

David Blanchard (01:18):
We’re very happy to be here today and we’re excited to be here with you all. Well,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:22):
David and Donna Blanchard have been missionaries for many years and really have a passion for soul-winning telling people about Jesus. Tell me, how did you first go to the mission field?

David Blanchard (01:35):
Well, back in in fifth grade, actually, I started doing I had Spanish in school and so I w we had this reel-to-reel cassette tapes and we’re learning Spanish Imani Mondo on his time on, but Beto Beto Benecchi Maria don’t ever. And so we had all that. And so anyway, it was something that seed was sown in my heart back then and for Mexico. And then we would go to California on our vacations and take trips. And then we would always go see over to Tijuana, Mexico from California. And, but there’s something that was just in me that I loved about Mexico. And then in 1979, I graduated from Colorado state university with my animal science degree in pre-veterinary medicine. I studied to be a veterinarian but in my heart, I really wanted to be a missionary at the same time.

David Blanchard (02:27):
And so I got involved with an organization called youth for Christ campus life, and we began working with teenagers. And as we begin working with teenagers, I met Donna in Kansas. We were in Emporia, Kansas, and that she’s in garden city, Kansas. And so we met there and and got married in 1982. And God began to work in a, in a great way as we began to take teenagers on mission trips. And so we started taking them to the mission field. We went to India, we went to Mexico and started doing different trips. God began to move in a great way, and it was very exciting to see what God began to do. And the missionary in Mexico, they were working with said, when are you going to move down here? And we said, well, work, we’ll be back here next year. He said, no. When are you going to move down here? And so we prayed about it and sock God and sought the Lord. And so in 1986, we moved from Emporia, Kansas, where we were executive directors of youth for Christ campus life. And we moved to Nueva radio, Mexico and began full-time mission work.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:31):
So your base is now they’re in Nuevo Laredo. And tell me some of the ministry Ms. Donna, that you guys are doing from that place.

Donna Blanchard (03:43):
Well, actually there’s a lot of ministry that takes place. And just for the record, it’s always starts out small. So don’t be discouraged if you’re doing something. And I mean, it was just me and my husband and our, at that time two daughters. And then we had our son while we were down the mission field. So it starts small at use what you have use your family and you can grow in it. So then when we first moved down we were working with another ministry for six years and we just, whatever they needed us to do, that’s what we did. But then in 1992, when we received the vision for victorious Christian harvesters at that time we decided, okay, God as we branch out and do what the Lord wants us to do you just start where you’re at. So we started out, we planted churches, we had mission teams that came down from all over the United States, worked with your parents a lot to junior high teams that would call us.

Donna Blanchard (04:36):
We would send them to your, your ministry with the Kings because you guys were amazing. And we knew you did great work with junior highers. And, and then we also did other high school and junior high and, and, and even some grade school teams, but anyway, what we do now 28 years later, Zell VCH is right. Are we 28, 30 years? I’ll be on my word 30 years. We were still expanding you know, don’t despise the small beginnings cause right now we w our staff and some of our students will go, yeah, but you’re doing all this great stuff and look how many people you’ll have to help you. And so when we started out, it was me and my husband, our three children, and we did it all. We hosted a hundred team a hundred member teams, and we would put the teams to work. And so basically right now we have a Bible school in Nuevo Laredo. We have students that come from all over the nation of Mexico and we’re raising them up to go back home and bless their, their churches that they’ve come out of and teaching them how to multiply our number. One thing, if you would want to know what we’re really known for, I would say it’s evangelism. We eat live, breathe. Anything that moves, we witness to it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:50):
Well, you’re on the right podcast, the evangelism podcasts, or we love evangelism, anything that is going after souls and leading people to Jesus. I remember hearing your vision and it inspired me many years ago, 1 million Bibles for 1 million souls. And I think you’ve completed that now. Tell, tell me about that, that vision.

David Blanchard (06:12):
So we were I was out we were with a group of missionaries, the one that we joined up with first in Mexico that asked us to come down to Laredo, Texas. And and, and so we, in a prayer meeting while we were praying Daniel, God showed me a vision of all of Mexico covered with ocean waves. When the ocean waves left, the dentally white foam, like on the beaches of Acapulco, Cancun, Matson lawn, and left big black Bibles with gold crosses on it all over the country. And God said, get my word out because we won’t return empty or void without accomplishing what I sent him for it to do. And I say, God, well, how many Bibles you want me to get out? He said, how many souls do you want to see saved? I said, well, I’m not Billy Graham. I’m not till I was born.

David Blanchard (06:53):
I’m just me, David Blanchard, but I want to believe for a million souls. Then he said, they’d get a million Bibles for a million souls. And that became the goal of victorious Christian harvesters in 1992. And so then we started out we had we became pastors of a church in leveled, righto, and 99. We started building our Bible school and then we started doing evangelism seminars. We were training up nationals to to be pastors, evangelists, missionaries teachers, preachers. And so we had a two-year Bible school. And so we’re training up all these evangelists and ministers, how to do all that and doing evangelism seminars. And then one of our staff in Mexico city said, why don’t you, why don’t we invite many churches to be involved in this evangelism seminars that we’re holding? And so in 2010, we started a program called invasions and invasions. The, the cartels in Mexico have been invading the country, the city for many, many years. And so he said, let’s get the body of Christ to rise up, come together, train them in evangelism methods and techniques and form evangelism teams, and then blitz the city, invade the city with the gospel of Jesus Christ. So that’s what we started doing back in 2010. And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:15):
So now you’ve gone to many different cities across Mexico doing these invasions. What type of results have you seen

David Blanchard (08:25):
When in 104 cities, major cities throughout Mexico, and even in El Salvador. And it’s been incredible because our evangelism through the crusades and different things like that, where we’re, we’re good. But when you capacitate, when you get a, equip the body of Christ to get ready, to win souls and teach him three days, we did three days of methods and techniques formed evangelism teams. And then we went out and blitz. The city with the gospel for three days, came back together and everybody’s shared the results or testimonies, what happened. And then they do the followup. Each church. It was phenomenal because we have trained over 5,000. I think it’s about 5,548 different churches throughout Mexico. And we’ve actually seen, I believe it’s 40,000, over 40,000, like 44,000 church members that have been trained how to win souls effectively. And so what’s happened is that exponentially took us to our first goal of a million Bibles for a million souls. And we reached that in August of 2016.

Donna Blanchard (09:37):
And another very encouraging thing about this training is that there are so many people, we all Alaska at the beginning, how many of you have never led one person to the Lord? All these hands go up, Christians that have been in a church. So when you see these pictures that we have all these mass groups of pictures, people, oh, is this the people you got saved? No, these are the people we trained, but then on Saturday, how many of you lead somebody to the Lord for the first time hands go up? And they’re just super excited. And then Daniel, we not only do the training Monday, we teach them how to actually we speak on breaking their heart for the lost cause if you don’t know where the destination of the lost is, you won’t have a passion to win them. And then the second day, of course, we need the empowerment of the holy spirit.

Donna Blanchard (10:18):
So the second evening we teach on the empowerment of the Holy Spirit. They get filled with the Holy Spirit. I mean, we have all denominations together, Wednesday, we commission them and then we say, you’re going to go out and do these great things for God. And we don’t pray over anything that looks sick and walks around needs. Jesus, tell them every plant, tell everybody that you meet about the Lord. And then when we’re done, we partner with them. We not only give them the tracks, the new testaments and Bibles, while we’re there, we make a covenant with them. If they want to continue to go out these 5,000, over 5,000 churches, we say, we a partner with you. If you still send out your teams, because everybody we trained in those invasions becomes their church evangelism team. And if they want to continue to go out, all they have to do is send us a report. We did this event, we held this month, we witnessed to this many people. We had this many children. If they get people that, that become born again, we have a new Testament for them. After they get baptized, they get a full Bible. We give them follow-up material and we continue the fellowship with them. And we still continue to get results from them. They, they let us know what they’re continuing to do long after we’re gone. So, so what do you say

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:25):
To these church members to inspire them to be soul-winners? Cause I find that sometimes church people that they, they know that Jesus called them to be soul-winners, but they’re content to just sit in the sea on a Sunday morning and they’re not really doing anything. So what do you say to them to inspire them to go out and lead people to Jesus?

David Blanchard (11:46):
Like Donna said the first night, we’re talking about the heartbeat of God. What is the of God? And so, you know the disciple, John, he leaned back on Jesus’ chest and he had his head up against the chest of Jesus at a dinner. And, and what did he hear? He heard the heartbeat of God. What is the heartbeat of Jesus? The heartbeat is Jesus is that none would perish and all would be saved. And that is what the great commission is all about. Go and make disciples of all the nations, teach them that none would perish, that all would be saved. And so that is what we, we impart into the congregation of every church member, because we desire for them to realize, Hey, what is God’s heart about? Why did God even sent Jesus to the earth? Jesus came to the earth so that none would be lost, but all would be saved that they would come to know him as their Lord and savior.

David Blanchard (12:49):
And so we inspire them that this is the heartbeat of God. And God is in you. The spirit of God is spirit of Christ is in you. And that, and that, that urge is inside of you. That anointing is inside of you. That spirit Christ spirit is inside of you. And what is it saying, tell your brother, tell your sister, tell your family member, tell your friends, God has a better place. God doesn’t send anyone to hell. That’s your choice. God made hell for the demons and his aim and that the fallen angels and the devil. But if we don’t, if we don’t choose God, we’re going to hell. So we’re teaching on the heartbeat of God, that compassion of God, that what, what is, what is God’s heart all about? And when they get that, when they understand that you know what that is, and you do, you want your friend to be with you in heaven forever. Do you want your friend to live with you forever? Well, you know, together with your relative or whoever, it may be. That’s God’s heartbeat. God’s heartbeat is that none would perish that all would be saved. And that’s what’s inside of you, his spirits inside of you.

Donna Blanchard (13:59):
And on top of that, we also teach them how simple it is to open a conversation that I think that’s the biggest thing. Everybody wants to lead someone to the Lord. Yeah. I want to be a soul winner, but what do I say? How do I start a conversation? That’s what we teach them during the day, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, different techniques. When you’re on the bus, how do you start a conversation? When you’re on the plane, how do you start a conversation? How do you witness to a Catholic? How do you witness to a Buddhist? How do you witness to a Muslim so that whoever they encounter? And we also teach them that there’s four words that we want them to remember. It’s plan, problem, solution decision. If you keep this in your head, no matter what you use, your personal testimony, everybody’s got a testimony.

Donna Blanchard (14:39):
There’s no more powerful testimony to when someone to the Lord, except for how he saved you. How did you come to the Lord? So plan God has a great plan for people. Problem. We’re separated from God, but there is a solution and that his name is Jesus. And so you, you can put your testimony in, I didn’t know God had a purpose for my life. I was a drunk. I was this. I was a prostitute or I was just out there. I was a religious person. I went to church all the time, but I didn’t know God had a plan for me. But then the problem is, wait a minute, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I’ve got to do something. It’s gotta be personal to me. And then solution is Jesus. So you present, this is how I got out of this mess that I was in.

Donna Blanchard (15:17):
And then then, then, then the decision you always close the deal. That’s one of the things we teach in this seminar, you witness, but you always close the deal. And we also take times to be teach them how to be led by the spirit. We’ll even do it during the seminar, after they’d been filled with the spirit on Tuesday, we’ll say, okay, now we’re going to ask God to give us a word for the persons, right beside you, that you don’t know right here in the seminar. It’s comfortable. These are all church people. And so then when they say, okay, I heard this word, just give it to that person. And then say, after you give it to him, I feel like the Lord wanted me to tell you that you should be more encouraged at what you’re doing. You’re doing a good word.

Donna Blanchard (15:51):
I always feel terrible about what I do. See you heard from God. So then when we’re out in the streets, they’ve already learned plan, problem, solution decision. One day we do it. We do the ultra call for them the second day. And we stand behind them where they do their altar call. The third day, we stepped back and watched them do the alter call. So then they get this confidence. And then we also say, there’s a lot of fish that leave the net while we do the altar call, people come forward. So while someone’s up there giving the article, you look at the ones that scattered and you go after them. And so then that then, Hey, can I just ask you a few questions? If we did a drama, we’ll say, ask them a question about the drama. Did you understand what you just saw?

Donna Blanchard (16:29):
Did you understand what this meant? Did you understand what that meant? Then you can do your own personal testimony, but once people realize it’s so easy, one of the easiest things, Dave and I teach us how to witness to a waiter or waitress. You got four contacts with them. They come to you, they bring you the, the menu. And then they ask you what you’d like to drink. You tell them what you want to drink. Then they come and take, they bring your drinks, they take your food order, and then they bring your food and they ask you a question, always ask you a question. Is there anything else I can do for you? And at that moment, that’s your cue. We always thank God for our food, but we always like to pray for our waiter or waitress. And then you’ve just mentioned their name.

Donna Blanchard (17:04):
If you see their little name tag, Sharon or Bob, what prayer requests do you have? And then when they tell you what it is, you can look them in the eye because we teach. You don’t have to close your eyes when you pray. And they’re a little bit embarrassed. So if you’re got your eyes closed, they’re doing this and you just grab them by the hand. If it’s a young lady, I’ll take her hand up. It’s young, man. I’ll put my hand on his shoulder, pray their, whatever their prayer request is. And then we’ll plan, problem, solution decision, and just lead them in a prayer. So I think what we try to do is make the gospel simple and take the fear out of it. Proverbs 29 says the fear of man will prove to be a scenario to you. So you’ll never witness if you’re fearful, but if most of the time people think they’re going to be rejected. When the majority of the time people are hurting and they want someone to tell them about Jesus

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:47):
David years ago, you shared a little message with me. You said that a soul is the greatest treasure in heaven. A soul is the greatest treasure in hell and assault is the greatest treasure here on earth. Share with me why souls are such great treasures.

David Blanchard (18:03):
So in heaven, when we read revelations, we see Daniel that, that in revelation, there’s, there’s a street to gold and there’s big old gates of pearls that we’re going to walk through. And we, we, we we, we see that there’s jewels in the walls. We read about it all kinds of different jewels in the walls, and we’re going to have gold crowns, but is that the most important thing in heaven? No. The most important thing, a heaven that God sent his son here on the earth for our souls. Why do I say souls, Daniel? Because, because God created us in his image and in his likeness and he wants to have fellowship with us. And he wants to have communion with us, not just here on earth, but for ever any eternity. And so the most important treasure in heaven is a soul.

David Blanchard (18:58):
And that’s why the devil is fighting so hard to take people to hell. That’s why there’s so many drugs, pornography and morality. There’s so much confusion, chaos and destruction because the devil wants to destroy people and take them to hell. And not only that, Daniel, that means that if the most important possession in heaven is a soul and the most important possession in hell that the devil is fighting for is a soul. The most important possession on earth. The treasure here on earth is not the gold. The diamonds is Juul is the money. It’s a soul because there’s two things that you know, and I know, and everybody listening knows that are eternal. Those two things are the word of God that will last forever and souls. We will all live somewhere forever, either with God or without God. And so that’s why I share with you the most important treasure in heaven on earth or under the earth is a soul and all, all, all Christians, all believers must listen to this, write this down.

David Blanchard (20:03):
All Christians, all believers must put souls in your goals. Write that down, put souls in your goals because you and I need to have as Christian believers, souls as part of our goals, because every place would go. Just like Donald’s saying, when we go to a restaurant, when you go to a store, plant a seed, water, a seed put out some fertilizer, you know, do something and then harvest as he, because I soul is the most, a person is the most important treasure we are created in God’s image, Dr. TLR and told me Daniel. And he said, God made all the animals. And then he made humans. Then you made man. He made man. And the difference between man is that man can speak to God. God can speak to man. And we have a communication and God created man in his image, in his likeness, in his character, in his ability to have this fellowship with him there, the animals were there and I love animals.

David Blanchard (21:06):
I studied to be a veterinarian. I, animals are great, but you can’t exactly have a fellowship communication time in a relationship with an animal to the level you can, as with a human being. And God created humans and created man and woman to be part of his kingdom, which I know there’s going to be animals there as well, but we can speak, we can talk. We are intelligent. And so God made us in his likeness, in his image so that we can have fellowship with him forever. The devil wants to steal that fellowship that God wants to have with mankind. And, and, and that’s the devil’s purpose to kill, steal and destroy. Yeah. The only the way

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:50):
That the devil can hurt God is by stealing a soul from his grasp. And that means that the only way that we can hurt Satan’s kingdom is by going and redeeming a Thall and taking that person with us to heaven. I mean, we can stomp around and intercede and pray all day, but until we actually go out on the streets and lead someone to Jesus, we haven’t hurt Satan’s kingdom. And so we have to go after souls and lead as many people as we can to Jesus. Right. That’s

David Blanchard (22:18):
Exactly right. And the most important thing that we can do is live like Christ. And you know, to know God, and this is eternal life, John 17 three, that you would know God, the only everlasting God, the only true father and his son, Jesus Christ, whom he has sent to this earth, for who, for souls, there is salvation. And no one else except the name of Jesus Christ and God desires for all to come to know him, that none would perish that all would be saved. You know, that is God’s will God’s will, for all mankind, is that we would find our true identity in our relationship with him and our relationship with Jesus Christ. That’s right.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:05):
So if someone wants to come down to Mexico and participate in an invasion, or maybe bring a short-term mission trip down to work with you guys, or, or maybe even support your ministry, how can they find out more information about you? What’s your website?

David Blanchard (23:20):
Yeah. So our website is www.vc harvesters.org. And you might be thinking, well, wait a minute, Daniel, they already reached their goal of a million Bibles for a million souls. That’s exactly right. Well, what are we going to do now? So, and, and that’s a good question. I told Donna, well, let’s just go on cruises for the rest of our life. But that our, one of our staff in Mexico city gave me this gold ring. This is my ring, but this was a gold ring for a million souls. And so in a vision, in a, in a church, we are worshiping the Lord in Houston, Texas. After we reached that goal, I was worshiping the Lord with my hands up and I closed my eyes and I saw my 10 fingers were with each one, had one of these rings on it. And I said, Lord, what are you talking about? 9 million more? And that’s the new vision, 10 million Bibles, 10 million souls. So they, you can come with on a mission trip. You can come and get involved with us in, in our outreaches. You can come at our Bible school and revel, the radio, Mexico come and be involved in our church activities. When COVID passes, we going to start a Nate invasions, again, get involved with us and find out about us. You can call 9 5 6 7 2 7 0 0 5 9 or get on WW w VC harvesters.org org. And

Donna Blanchard (24:41):
I also less dislike to comment that every soul that we won, it’s not like, wow, when David and Donna get to heaven, it’s like, oh, look, these people came that they won the million or the 10 million. And I’m sure with Reinhardt monkey and teal Osbourne as well it’s all of us together. Everybody that’s ever given any, anything. Every mission team that’s ever come down, they passed out Bibles to, they did the altar calls to every person that was ever involved in any invasion. They were passing out Bibles they’re winning souls. So that we’re all going to say, Jesus, you get the glory. We give you the credit, the little grandma on the corner that says she’s 80 years old and she can’t go on a mission trip, but she’s praying on her knees. She’s going to say, this was my part in these millions of souls for the Lord. I have been, we all going to put our crowns down before the Lord, and he gets all the glory.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:31):
Amen. Well, you guys are great missionaries, great evangelists. I’m very inspired just by your story, in your example, for so many years, thank you for being on the evangelism podcast with me.

David Blanchard (25:45):
Thank you, Daniel, for having us.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:47):
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Duane & Sue Kershner | Roca Blanca Mission Base

Duane & Sue Kershner are missionary legends who have built the most beautiful mission base in the world. For over thirty years, Roca Blanca mission base in Oaxaca, Mexico have been training students to minister to the unreached people groups of southern Mexico. On today’s podcast, they give us the secrets of their longevity in ministry.

Website: https://rocablanca.org 

Read the Story of Duane & Sue Kershner:

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Duane & Sue Kershner are missionary legends who have built the most beautiful mission base in the world. For over thirty years, Roca Blanca mission base in Oaxaca, Mexico have been training students to minister to the unreached people groups of southern Mexico. On today’s podcast, they give us the secrets of their longevity in ministry.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:24):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:01):
I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have some very special guests with me, missionary statesmen, a great legends on the mission field, Dwayne and Sue Kersner from Roca, Blanca, Mexico. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Duane Kershner (01:21):
Yes. Well, thank you Daniel, for having us it’s an honor for Sue and I, to be able to share with all of you and testify some of the things that the holy spirit has caused us to do helped us and let us in doing so. Yeah, it’s great to be with y’all.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:38):
You have been family friends for many years. You graduated at the same time as my mother and father Robert and Susan King from the Victory World Missions Training Center, which was under Pastor Billy Joe and Sharon Daugherty, a missions training school here in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It was three month months of intensive missions training back in 1988. I was 10 years old and my mom and dad graduated and they went to war as Mexico and north Mexico. And you went to south Mexico, to Roca Blanca. Tell us how you ended up there in south Mexico.

Duane Kershner (02:17):
Yeah, well, Daniel, first of all, I went there in 1971. So that’s a, you know, 50 years ago and that was about a year and a half old in the Lord. And miraculously, the Lord led me to south Mexico. I walked on the coast 300 miles living the Matthew tin call it came to me directly from the Lord. It was a supernatural encounter. And I led two guys to the Lord and Mexico city. And the Lord told us along the Seacoast, great lightest spring up to people sitting in darkness. And we got up left Mexico city, hitchhiked, Acapulco, and walked for the next two months down the coast. Well, as we walked down the coast of Southern Mexico, which is a state of get arrow and the state of Oaxaca, God began to give me a burden for the people that are there.

Duane Kershner (03:11):
And in the state of Oaxaca, we had 17 tribes of unreached peoples scripts that speak 155 different dialects. So when we went there, moved there much later after missions training school, which was in 1990, we moved there 31 years ago. Well, Huck had the greatest concentration of unreached people in this entire hemisphere. I know that’s hard to believe, but when you get, when you, when we arrived there, you’re going to understand because it’s a coastal area, but also a rugged mountains. The Sierra Madre mountains run down through that area. So you had a high mountains with indigenous people living isolated in these areas. Some places there were no roads, there were no electricity. And so it had a great concentration of Irish people.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:02):
And so tell me about the ministry that you planted there. You have the Roca Blanca missions base, which is one of the most beautiful missions basis in the whole world. You know, I was always upset at God a little bit because he sent us to [inaudible], it’s nothing but tumbleweeds and sand. And you are at Roca Blanca with the beach. The ocean is right there and Palm trees. It’s so beautiful. But tell us about the ministry that God has raised. Yeah,

Duane Kershner (04:34):
Well, you know, first of all, I have to say, we didn’t choose the place. W we, we obeyed and I wasn’t just a gringo that like the beach. Actually I got a word in my heart and my wife Susan knows very well because she, she endured me. I had a word on my heart that said, [inaudible] Roca, Blanco. We were looking for a mission space because we had been going to Mexico, taking short term teams all through the eighties, we’d pass her to work in Kansas. And so every year we would go into this coastal area of will haka taking teams. And so a movement started, we had like 2000 people coming to these events, you know? And so we knew we had to have a training center where we could make disciples, or we were going to lose the momentum.

Duane Kershner (05:24):
So we were looking for property and I got a word in my heart and it was a rock of Linka. We didn’t know what Roca Blanco we’d had no idea what it was. Well, finally, a year after I got the word in my heart, we went to look for Roca Lanka and it turned out to be an island about three quarters of a mile off the coast. Well, I couldn’t understand, but I knew that I had to get out there because that was burning on my heart. So this is hard to believe, but literally Sue knows us swim out early one morning to this island. And when I got out there, I climbed up on the rock. I looked back at the coastal area and the Palm trees and the mountains in the back where the indigenous people live. And as I saw Sue sitting on the beach and my eyes went down just a little and came upon this Palm Grove, literally Daniel, there was a flash of light and I heard God audibly speak to me and say, that’s your missions based property?

Duane Kershner (06:21):
Well, I wasn’t even aware that I was looking for property and it totally surprised me. I jumped in the water, swam back made it through the surf and told SU our mission space is right down the beach here. So anyway, after that, we went to mission school and Daniel, we knew this we knew that we needed medical missions, that God put that on our heart. We knew that we had to have a Bible school for training, and we knew he had to have school of worship because we were going to plant churches. And so to get into the indigenous people into their areas, we knew there were no doctors in many places, there were no clinics. And so we, we knew by God’s grace, that we were supposed to take medical. Well, we did Laura Pratt who studied with your parents and us in the world missions training.

Duane Kershner (07:15):
She went with us and so the door would open after prayer and fascinating for us to go in with medicine. And gradually people would begin to get saved. Sometimes it would take us 12 hours, four wheel driving to get back into these areas. But people began to come to the Lord. We knew we were to work with the chatting window hands that make stick wind and the most schools and the support techs plus the coastal people. And so we’ve given the last 31 years to those indigenous people. And there are now 70, 77 churches, I believe that are led by graduates out of the mission straight center. So when we have this establish a base, well, of course it was a Palm Grove. So we had to buy property. We had to build facilities, of course, the developer team. And anyway, 30 years later, well, there we are. And I hope that’s somewhat of an explanation,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:17):
Took a great deal of faith over these 31 years to, to buy it, to build. And it’s so beautiful. And how many students have graduated from the school now? And what are some of the things that you are teaching the students that come to your school?

Duane Kershner (08:35):
Yeah, well, we have approximately 1,500 students that have graduated. It’s a three-year program now. The first year is 29 courses that basically we adapted and used from victory Bible Institute here in Tulsa. And then we added two more years of training which has a lot having to do with leadership administration, but also laying on of hands. And especially trying to get back to the original discipleship of preach, the kingdom of God, heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out their wills. And so we’re really endeavoring to get ourselves higher in that level. And also train disciples that literally can do the original call, which is basically kingdom heal, the sick raise, the dead cast out demons. One of the

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:32):
Amazing things about the graduating class that you and my parents were in is that there there’s a fair number from that class that have remained on the mission field. And, and it seems like sometimes it’s easy for people to give up. But you guys, haven’t, dewerd, you’ve stayed and continued to flourish all these years. Ms. Sue, what is some of the lessons that you’ve learned that can help people with longevity and actually staying faithful to the calling that God has on their life?

Sue Kershner (10:05):
The biggest thing I believe is to really know that it is God who is calling you to the work I’ve been challenged in that area many times. One specific time was when there were some bandits who were in hiding in the river. I learned about it as I was taking a couple to the, to the doctor. They were about to have a baby, but the baby was in trouble. The mother was in trouble. And as I was leaving the base, the, I saw a truckload of policemen that were getting up on the, the pickup truck and they were leaving. And as I was wondering, what was going on, it was right off the base property. And, and so as I came through the town one of our friends told me that the reason that they were leaving was because there were five hooded, gunmen that were hiding out in the river for my husband and our other bass director.

Sue Kershner (11:18):
And I had the big challenge. Do I go back and tell them, or do I get this emergency to the doctor? And I sensed the piece to go ahead and take the couple. It, it was late afternoon at that point. And by the time we were finished, it was dark. And so I’m coming back to the mission base in the dark, not knowing what the situation was. And I said, father, talk to me, I really have to know, is this something that I should be concerned about? And instantly, he said, don’t fear for your life. Fear him, who has the power after death to throw you into hell. And it sort of startled me. Number one, I could relax. I didn’t have to fear these that would maybe, you know, threatened with guns. But the second part of that was what really gripped me and I, and so there’s where the fear of God has really taken hold in my life.

Sue Kershner (12:34):
And I realized that boy, before the Lord, we are commissioned to take our territory and whatever it takes, we need to be faithful in that call because we are stewards of the call. And so that, and it turned out that it nothing happened with the masked gunman. Just like he said, you know, if our father says, don’t worry about it, then I thank God for a good father. I learned to trust him, my father from childhood and, and that, that basic trust has become a very cornerstone or one of the foundation stones that really feeds into our lives. And so, as long as we know what our father wants to do is like, then stick with it and see it through, stick with it. And don’t stop.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:41):
One of the tremendous things about your base is that you have the medical people that come talk to me about what you do to help the people medically.

Duane Kershner (13:54):
Yeah, as we said, from the beginning we began medical missions. So we have I really I’m, I’m impressed with the medical clinic. That’s on the base. We have a full dental treatment. We have a full-time doctor, nurses pharmacy. And so the, the treatment is basically free. We don’t have hospital care, but we do have all the ordinary, you know, necessary care and medicine for people that come from miles around. It’s hard to believe, but a lawyer plant Pratt and Nelson. Now I can tell you the clinic has treated over 150,000 people in these years. And so not only is a clinic at the base, but we take medical teams out into the villages and thousands of people have received help.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:47):
Let’s talk about evangelism in Wahaca and the other states they’re in Southern Mexico. One of the things that really brought you to that area, where these are unreached people, groups, and you had a, a burden, a heart to, to reach them with the gospel, what has been effective in reaching out to these very remote areas, sometimes dangerous to go into yes

Duane Kershner (15:14):
Medical missions along with all the medical teams, we’ve always had those who were ministering the gospel. So people will come from medicine, but we also pray for them and minister the gospel to them. And in those medical crusades, many people have gotten saved. Now also though we do crusades at the base, you know, mass crusades, people come we also do certain village crusades and on a local evangelism, our Bible school students work evangelism every weekend they’re, they’re going out every weekend. And so we’ve found that it’s so important along with evangelism to have the discipleship and also then the care of the local churches. And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:04):
Talk to me about these churches that you’ve planted. What does a church plant look like?

Duane Kershner (16:11):
You know, each one’s different. I think of a, if you have how much you have, how many children, two children, if you have five or two or 10, each child is very different. Every church plan is different, but quite a few of our church plants have opened by medical missions. We’ve gone in and gradually a number of people began to come to the Lord. We begin to choose the the disciples out of those that come to the Lord, take them to the mission space. And sometimes they’ll say 1, 2, 3 years and training and then go back. Actually, all of the churches that we have are led by Bible school graduates. So that really helps us in maintaining our unity. And we are in nine different dialects language groups. So there are leaders over each one of those different regions, geographical, and, and language groups. And so most of the churches though have been founded by medical missions. But sometimes we’ve just gone into a village and began to share the gospel and people come to the Lord. So yeah,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:22):
Yeah, you Are very sensitive to the voice of God. And of course, this, this last couple of years, the whole world has gone through chaos because of, of COVID and churches have faced many challenges in Mexico and the United States, other, other countries around the world. What are some of the things that you hear the spirit of? God’s saying to the church during this time?

Duane Kershner (17:50):
Yeah. As soon as COVID began and we had to shut down, we were very sad. We were planning the very month of March at the, when you’re two years ago, when covert began we had one of those massive ans plan that where you came down and participated with us some years back, we had to shut all that down. So we pulled our team together, our leadership team, we began to pray and fast. We knew that all things were being shaken. The Lord gave us scripture out of out of the book of, Hey guy, chapter two, all things can be shaken the shaken heaven and the earth. And then out of Hebrews, chapter 12, all things to be shaken. So we know there’s a great shaking going on. I believe that we just been separated from the chaff. I also believe though that we need to be all really getting ourselves geared up in the holy spirit because we’re coming into the greatest harvest the world has ever known with, with a power of signs and wonders, you know? And so we want to get, get up a little higher and that noting where we’re seeing deliverances and seeing people raised from the dead

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:06):
Ms. Sue, what would you say to young people that feel called to be missionaries? And they really want to see a supernatural move of God? What, what would you say as advice to them?

Sue Kershner (19:22):
My advice is allow the Lord to do that supernatural work in one’s own heart, touching every deep place, every place that the enemy has tried to steal Rob kill or destroy all of those hidden places in one’s being things that we’ve received from our parents, from our from the generational line, anything that does not line up with the Lord Jesus in our life needs to be identified and then renounced and, and really overcome the promises to the overcomers. And so when you overcome in your own life, then that gives Liberty to our father to bring other things to you, that you can overcome in the power of his presence in your life. And so that just goes in ever enlarging circles. And so the first, the real key, and it’s not a hard one, it’s not a mystery, it’s when your own battles. And from that point, then the spirit of the Lord will have Liberty to direct. That’s good

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:46):
On your missions base, you offer Spanish lessons. So people who feel called to missions can come down and learn Spanish. And you also have opportunities for, for groups to come and to minister. If someone wants to learn more information about you or support your ministry, find out more about what you do, what is your website address? How can they find you?

Sue Kershner (21:13):
Our website is www dot Roca, blanca.org, or G. So R O C a B L I N C a.org.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:25):
And what kind of opportunities do you have for people who feel called to missions?

Duane Kershner (21:31):
Yeah. Well, I’m not sure we do. Short-Term teams. We have a great guest house and people coming down on short-term teams. Well, we have a variety of things, medical missions, of course, it’s always a plus, but we do construction. We do a children’s ministry, a youth evangelism any area, you know, that people can give, we try to focus them in that area, on short-term teams. Also, I’d like to add, you know, Daniel, I’m not sure that you’re aware of this, but we also have a children’s home. Now we have 17 orphans. We don’t like to call them orphans now because they’ve been adopted into the family of God. We have house parents but 17, we have a house that will hold 24. And also now we’re doing trade school. Trade school is really important so that our disciples have an ability to make a living once they’re on the field, because if you’ve spent three years in Bible school or in worship school, but not having an ability to support yourself, once you get to your mission, that’s disheartening and can be really frustrating. So we are developing it’s in process, but it’s coming along. Quality trade school, carpentry, mechanics, welding cooking, sewing multimedia plumbing and electric. And so our Bible school graduates will be equipped with the trade.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:02):
That’s wonderful. Well, I’d like to finish up by asking both of you to pray over those who are listening and especially pray for those who are called to evangelism are called to missions. We have a heart to go out in the mission field and see God do amazing things. I would just like to ask you to pray for an impartation of the same spirit that’s in you to come upon those who are listening.

Duane Kershner (23:30):
No, no Joshua and Caleb, the scripture said had a different spirit. They have the spirit of faith. And so we do pray over each one that you know, you’re being called. We pray over you that you will hear the word of the Lord and then obedient to it. It’s one thing to hear, but it’s the next thing to be obedient. And we’ve found that by obeying the word of the Lord that comes to us, God opens away and makes the way. So father, we pray now in the name of Jesus we know that we are called to do the greater works. Your word says those who believe on my name will do even the greater works than I’ve done. And so Jesus, we’re asking just now those who are listening, those who are watching the anointing of your holy spirit increasing upon their lives, the guidance of the holy spirit, and then the spirit of faith coming to them to make the step, take the first step, put your feet in the water, crossing the Jordan and go into your divine destiny at your promised land and Jesus’ name.

Duane Kershner (24:40):
We asked this, we know that each one of us who have been saved through faith by his grace, we are called into divine purposes. We are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, Ephesians two 10, which he ordained from the foundation of the world. And some of you who are listening, you know that you’re called perhaps you don’t know how to take the first step. I encourage you to come on a mission strip get your feet in the water. If you’re called to Latin America, come down to go to Spanish school and begin to get cross-cultural arrised and, and see if you’ve, if you’ve got that kind of grace.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:21):
Wonderful. Well, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. I really look up to you. You are heroes of the faith great examples to all of us. And I just so much appreciate you and your faithfulness and the beautiful mission space that, that God has raised up under your care and what a tremendous impact you have. So thank

Duane Kershner (25:45):
You, Daniel. Thank you, Daniel. We’ve been friends. It was Daniel’s parents for many years, 33 years now. And so we appreciate you having this.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:55):
Thanks for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me, to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor, go to apple and leave this podcast. A review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:58):
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Joshua Freeman | Embark on an Adventure with God

Joshua Freeman’s heart beats for missions. He lived in Haiti for three years, then he pastored a local church in Tulsa for a while. This year he launched his own ministry called Embark Global Ministries.

Josh’s ministry does community outreach with food distributions, street evangelism, partnering with other organizations for community events, and various types of kids’ ministry.

Questions for Josh:

What happened during your recent trip to the Dominican Republic?

What was it like to live in Haiti for three years?

What have you learned from Rod Baker and Terry Henshaw?

Website: https://embarkglobalministries.com/

Listen to the Evangelism Coach Daniel King on The Evangelism Podcast.

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Joshua Freeman’s heart beats for missions. He lived in Haiti for three years. Then he pastored a local church in Tulsa for a while. This year he launched his own ministry called Embark Global Ministries. Today, he talks about his passion for evangelism.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:16):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionary, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:52):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. They have a special guest with me, Joshua freemen. So

Joshua Freeman (01:03):
Wonderful to have you glad to be on this podcast with you today. Thank you so much for the opportunity. And so on this podcast, we talk about evangelism. We talk about people who have a heart for evangelism, and you have been involved in evangelism for many years now. Can you kind of tell me what got you started having a passion for evangelism? Yeah, actually I was 14 and I got invited to go on a mission trip. I never been on a mission trip before. And so one of my friends said that they were going to go and I said, well, I’ll try it. And sure enough they, we went on a mission trip to Mexico and as we went on that trip, I just begin to have this overwhelming desire to share the gospel with more and more people and just how real it became to me to help others find their life in Christ.

Joshua Freeman (01:53):
And so that really sparked a fire to continue to go share the gospel around the world. Where did you go in Mexico? Yeah, we went to Akuna Mexico just right off the border where we drove a bus for about 20 hours, but it was pretty awesome. Yeah. My parents were missionaries in Mexico for 20 years. We lived right across the border from El Paso, Texas, and NC that Juarez. We did lots of evangelism and what as we, we hosted dozens of groups every year. And I think we had a lot of groups from victory Christian center from here in Tulsa, Oklahoma come down and, and minister with us. Sometimes we’d take them out into the neighborhoods and do seven or eight services a day just going from neighborhood to neighborhood. And so we saw literally thousands and thousands of people give their lives to Jesus in Mexico.

Joshua Freeman (02:44):
And so you, you went on this first mission trip, you got a passion for evangelism passionate permissions. And then you went, you spent three years in the nation of Haiti. Tell me what you did while you were in Haiti. Yeah. So during our time in Haiti, we worked for victory compassion and we begin to build homes. We begin to build medical clinics. We also helped with school programs. We would go inside of the schools and we would evangelize there. We had over 20 schools allowing for us to come in and share the gospel each and every day of the week. And through that, we were able to feed those 20 schools. And also we started an IEPI there. And so we were able to begin to not only build homes, but begin to build relationships and feed and begin to minister the gospel on a daily basis.

Joshua Freeman (03:32):
Just this month, the president of Haiti was assassinated. And some of my friends who ministered there say that it’s been very difficult recently ministering in Haiti, just because of violence from different gangs. What was that like living in Haiti? Did you have to fight a lot of demons while you were there? You fought a lot of demons, for sure. You know I will say with the spiritual warfare, it was probably the toughest place. If you weren’t prayed up and ready, you know, you, you would feel the spiritual attack. There’s such a heaviness in Haiti because they’ve dedicated the island of voodoo. And so when you just go down the street, you might see a voodoo priests just out there, or you might walk into a place that you think is just safe in general, and there’s there being a sacrifice or something like that.

Joshua Freeman (04:22):
So it’s a very tough spot spiritually. So you have to really be ready. And then also with the violence, it actually has one of the largest ghettos in the world, citizen LA. And so the violence is extremely high, extremely dangerous. And so there might even be times where we wouldn’t leave the house for three days because of what they would call a manifestation. We call it a riot would happen to where they would block the streets, set fire to houses, to tires in the middle of the road. And you couldn’t go anywhere. So you, you know, when you’re in Haiti, it is a tough place to be, and it is hard and you have to continue to pray and be built up spiritually each and every day.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:03):
You have worked with Pastor Rod Baker, who he was the compassion outreach pastor at victory. And now he’s launched a church in Jenks and has a great feeding ministry there. And then you’re also working with Terry Henshaw who has a great ministry. He’s done all kinds of tremendous, uh, outreaches all over the United States and around the world. What are some of the things that you’ve learned working with pastor rod baker and pastor Terry Henshaw?

Joshua Freeman (05:36):
Yeah, I’ve been learning so much from both of them on a continual basis. First we’ll pass a ride. I personally asked him to teach me how to have more of a mercy gift and more of a generosity gift, because are two things that just ooze out of him, the gift of mercy, showing mercy in every situation and just being able to be so graceful with it and know he began to speak into my life just on how no matter what situation we walk into, we ought to show mercy and be able to be generous and loving to each and every person.

Joshua Freeman (06:08):
So those are some of the biggest takeaways I have because when you notice how Pastor Rod has built his ministry, you begin to see that, you know what, it’s from a place of compassion. It’s from a place of love. It’s a place of generosity because he has a saying that if God can get it through me, he’ll continue to get it to me. And you see that with his food ministry, that you know what something new will come in. And he’ll say, you know what? I have a friend who could use this truckload of rice in another place. And then the same thing works with Terry. Terry will get in a load of maybe it’s household goods or something else, or he does a disaster relief or a program somewhere where he begins to say, you know what? We need to make sure that we’re strategically blessing people in certain ways.

Joshua Freeman (06:50):
And so that’s what I’ve really began to learn is how to build connections. Relationships, operate in mercy and love towards everyone. So it’s really been a great time for me to be stretched and grown in so many ways because these men have been fighting the fight for years, showing love and compassion around the world. For several years, you pastored a church here in Tulsa, and one of the areas of Tulsa that needs a lot of outreach. What type of advice would you give to a pastor who wants to reach out to his campaign? Yeah, I would say first do it. Don’t hold back and go after every generation. So often we focus on maybe the older people in the church and, or the older people in the community. But I want to challenge you to go after every generation and then focus on your schools and the people in the area.

Joshua Freeman (07:47):
Because one of the things we focus on to the point where we were in all three schools in our community, almost on a daily basis, we went to the principals of schools. We went to the counselors, we begin to say, what needs do you have personally, whether it be they needed pencils, whether they be, they needed somebody just to sit in there for lunch, to talk to the kids. I want to tell you, don’t miss an opportunity to reach the kids. Don’t miss an opportunity to reach the teenagers or the adults because each and every one of those people, groups are so vitally important. So when you have the opportunity, don’t miss it. Take, take that bold step, even though it might be a little tough because you might be like, I don’t have enough time to do all these things, and it’s true.

Joshua Freeman (08:29):
Then you need to empower other people to help you and come alongside you. But you will definitely see the benefit and reap the harvest from doing it. Now this year, you have launched your own ministry, embark global ministries, and your ministry has a heart for evangelism, for training leaders for, for reaching out to the nations of the world. Tell me a little bit about what you hope to see God do through embark. Yes. Our long-term goal honestly, is to plant churches on every continent and to see those churches raised up by the leaders in those continents and begin to plant other churches. So our long-term goal is to just begin to disciple leaders, to make other leaders around the world, to the point where we begin to see the kingdom of God, BMA, manifested everywhere. And so our hope through, first of all, outreach, what that’s community base.

Joshua Freeman (09:24):
And then that’s global base is to make sure that we focus on reaching those right where they are. And even right here in Tulsa, reaching people locally. So we can make sure that they are being spiritually fed and then going around the world. And so that’s, the heart of embark is to continue to reach people each and every day, no matter where they are in their spiritual journey. And that’s what we continue to focus on and embark because every nation, the gospel is our, our main focus, sharing the gospel, every nation each and every time. Okay. Now this summer you took a team down to the Dominican Republic, and this is a very difficult time to minister because of COVID, but still you had good results down in the Dominican. Tell me some about what you did with the team and, and what type of ministry you did.

Joshua Freeman (10:15):
Yeah. So like you said, it was at the height of COVID in the Dominican Republic. With that being said, it changed a little bit of what we had planned, but God’s still opened up amazing doors. When we begin to go door to door sharing the gospel we actually had an amazing reception from people. People were actually grateful that someone had been coming to share the gospel. So every day we went door to door and then we also passed out food in the afternoon and we’ve been doing a feeding program for a number of years in the Dominican Republic where we’ll we’ll, we’ll buy like 50 bags of rice and our contact down there will help pass it out throughout the year. And so we continue to feed. And then we also had a crusade. We had a kids crusade and adults crusade, and we just did it all in the morning.

Joshua Freeman (11:02):
And so they came and we had dancers. We had some of the most popular characters, like Sonic, the hedgehog, all kinds of stuff. They came out and we even had other things like clowns. We had all kinds of great things to invite people out. And then we gave away for the adults, 50 sacks or rice, and then we gave away 20 bicycles. And so it was an amazing time. I’ll tell you personally, it was one of the most refreshing times because though so many other things were going on around us with COVID and all those things that God opened up doors for us to be able to minister to city officials. He opened up doors for us to just minister during such a crazy time right now. And so it’s been a huge, it was a huge blessing to be able to do that because I personally was kind of like, oh no, I would hate for us not to be able to share, but knowing how many people were so receptive was a huge blessing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:57):
Let’s talk about evangelism. Why do you think it is important for more people to be evangelistic? Why do you think evangelism is on God’s heart? What do you think God wants the church to do in the area of evangelism in the next a few years?

Joshua Freeman (12:14):
I’m glad you asked this question because this was on my heart. For the past few days, I love the saying that two thirds of God’s name is go. So G O God’s name is literally telling you to go. That means go into all the world, share the gospel. Don’t hesitate. Just go. So often we get afraid of going to the point where we, we stay stagnant and do nothing, but we’ve been, first of all, given the great commission. Second of all, the greatest thing we can do is go and tell people of his love. And so it’s going to take the church and that’s the body of Christ going to their neighbors, to their friends, being a light, not just physically anymore.

Joshua Freeman (12:54):
Cause a lot of people will, will be like, well, my life is going to be the example. It’s time for us. Not only to let our lives be the example, but our mouth begin to speak out God’s word and begin to allow for people to hear the love of God. Come out of your mouth. Hey, Jesus does love you. Hate Jesus cares about you because people haven’t heard that in so long from believers. Most, most believers have stayed quiet. And I believe in the next four or five, 10 years that as the body of Christ begins to rise up, we will see the next generations come to know Christ as well. Because as long as we stay silent, we are hindering their opportunity to hear about the goodness of God. And that’s not what we’re called to do. We’re called to be a light, not hide our light, but to continue to show it no matter where we are because Jesus, Hey, we all know John three 16, but I love John three 16 through 17.

Joshua Freeman (13:48):
It says for God, so loved the world that he gave. And then when you go to 17, it says he didn’t get, he didn’t do that to condemn the world. But through that, the whole world might be saved. He wanted to give an opportunity for people to come to know him. That’s the message that we have to share no matter where you are, no matter the social economic status, tell people the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ and our promise you, it will benefit them and it will change your life forever. Amen. Amen. Well, let’s finish up today by praying for those who have a heart for evangelism. Can you pray a good holy spirit full of power prayer that God was sending more evangelists out to the harvest field, the world. Yeah. Dear heavenly father, we thank you for this day. Lord, we just ask that right now.

Joshua Freeman (14:35):
You continue to empower your body of Christ, father God. They begin to rise up and father, God begin to go into all the world and preach the gospel no matter where they are, father God, that you will begin to let them know father God that they have been called for such a time as this, they have been by the guide. You will equip them each and every day. So Lord, I pray right now that you begin to speak father God, to their hearts, father, God, and you begin to aluminate their minds so that they can see, they can hear and they can move as you’ve called them to move low each and every day. Father, I pray that you do just like you did for Jeremiah. You touch their mouth father. So not they speak, but you speak through them each and every step of the way, father God, I pray that they are bold as lions each and every day.

Joshua Freeman (15:17):
Going after the loss, no matter what is said before them God that they will continue to be risen up father God and see the great commission come to fruition in their lifetime in Jesus’ mighty name. We pray. Amen. Amen. Josh, it’s wonderful to have you as a guest on the evangelism podcast. If someone wants to find out more information about your ministry or even to support you, what is your website? Yeah. Our website is embark global ministry.com. You can go there. All of our information, our PO box contact information is on there. So feel free to go check us out. Awesome. Well Josh, thank you so much. Thank you. I’m glad to be on here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:57):
Thanks for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (17:00):
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Garth Peterson | Reaching a Changing World with an Unchanging Message

Garth Peterson was one of my students in Bible School. Now he has launched a multimedia live stage production that combines acting, video, and stage effects to communicate the Gospel. His goal is to reach a sight and sound generation in a relevant way with an unchanging message.

Questions for Garth Peterson: 

Tell us about your theater production based on the “Parable of the Sower” told by Jesus in three of the four Gospels.

What does it mean to reach a changing world with an unchanging message?

About Four the Production: 

Four is a multimedia live stage performance that combines acting, video, and stage effects to produce a sight and sound experience like no other. Four is more than a performance, it is an experience that leads to an encounter!

Four communicates through drama performance the Gospel of Jesus Christ in a relevant, unique, and engaging way. Being relevant in our methods but unchanging in the message of the Bible.

Website: http://www.seehearandbelieveproductions.com/

Book: The War Within

Listen to The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelism Coach Daniel King.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Garth Peterson was one of my students in Bible school. Now he’s launched a multimedia live stage production that combines acting video and stage effects to communicate the gospel. His goal is to reach a sight and sound generation in a relevant way with an on changing message.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:21):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism podcast.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:59):
I’m Daniel King and I am excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a special guest with me, Garth Peterson. He’s been a friend for a long time. I think we originally met in the evangelism class. I was teaching at victory college and you were one of the students and you have a great heart for evangelism, Garth. Thank you for being with me today. Absolutely.

Garth Peterson (01:24):
Thank you for inviting me. It’s a privilege.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:26):
So what are some of the things that you have done in the area of evangelism? You were agnostic and then you came to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. How did that happen in your life?

Garth Peterson (01:42):
I grew up in California and my parents were divorced when we were, when I was five. And so my mom, she kind of has a Buddhist philosophy, religion type thing going on, but we really didn’t have anything. We didn’t believe in anything. You know, Christmas was about Santa’s Easter was about Easter bunny. I didn’t even know till way later in life that that had anything to do with Jesus. And so I just grew up really believing in nothing. You know, I had friends that were Catholic because I hung around with highly Hispanic group of people in California. And but I didn’t really believe. I mean, I knew there was something else, but I had no idea. And when I was 22 years old, my dad had remarried and his wife came and visited us and she shared the gospel with me for the first time in my life and told me about Jesus dying on the cross and being raised from the dead.

Garth Peterson (02:25):
And it, if I would say this prayer, I wouldn’t go to hell, I’d go to heaven. And I remember thinking, what if she’s right? What if that’s real? You know, I had seen little glimpses of things on TV and you know, I’d had a police officer witness to me once. And so I said, what am I got to lose? And I must we’ll cover that base. And I prayed with her and she gave me my first Bible. And I’m so thankful for her doing that. She planted a seed in me, but, and I believe the information in my head somewhat, you know, but it didn’t bring any change to my life. And so life went back to his usual and I was into a lot of bad stuff, dealing drugs and doing drugs. And, and after a few years of my wife and I split and then having some terrible times we got back together, decided to get out of California.

Garth Peterson (03:10):
So we moved here and my dad and the lady that witnessed to me lived here in Oklahoma. And so for we moved here and tried to start a new life and I tried to clean up and be free from drugs and all those things and be a good dad and my kids, which I hadn’t been in the past. And we started going to church and three years we went to church and I bought another Bible and started reading it and got baptized. All those things. You know, it was a country church in a little town. And in 2001, my wife’s friend invited her to an event and it was a heaven’s gate and hell’s flames. And what I didn’t know is that she went to that event and that night she gave her life to Jesus. Well, she had been going to church too, but she’d just been going because I was basically making her go, you know, she was cause I was her husband.

Garth Peterson (03:55):
She was just doing what I did, but that changed her life. And she brought me the next night and the next night I was there I gave my life to Jesus and it radically transformed me. You know, there’s a scripture that got inside of me in Matthew seven, where Jesus said, all these people will come to me and say, Lord Lord. And he’ll say, I never knew you. And that night I had this revelation that I knew about Jesus in my head, but I had never surrendered to him in my heart. And the man that spoke that night at the end of the performance, you know, said, you know, you’ve got to give everything to God. He gave every Jesus, gave everything for you at the cross. And when you come to the cross, you’ve got to give everything to him. You can’t just know about him, you’ve got to know him.

Garth Peterson (04:37):
And in that moment I realized, I just didn’t really know God. I just knew about him. And that night changed my life forever. When that happened, everything in my life changed. I went back to church the next week and I thought, what in the world are we doing here? We come here two times a week and sit in this room and sing songs and listen to preaching. But we’re not doing anything to affect all the people out there. And they’re heading towards hell, just like I was. And they have no desire to come in here. Just like I didn’t. So how do we reach them? And that’s how it began. And which I was considered radical. I mean, I felt so out of place, Daniel, it was like I just couldn’t understand people if we really loved people, like we said, we did, and we really love Jesus.

Garth Peterson (05:24):
Why wouldn’t we do what he said? I mean, we can’t save people. We can at least tell them. And that’s when my journey began. And it was like almost immediate. I mean, after that day, w when, when my heart changed, my life completely changed as high notes, real cause nothing in this world can do that to somebody. And I just began to see the value of people and that were eternal and that we have in eternity that will spend forever. And and, and it’s grown from that time on, you know, I know some people received Jesus and get real excited and run for him. And, and I, I, I did, but I was, it just kinda grew. It never stopped, you know, and I’m thankful for that. And so through that, God has led us from step to step, to step in different areas, you know, and just trying to do what we knew to do to reach people. Yeah. Wow.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:13):
That’s tremendous. I think it’s really interesting that, that you got saved at a production of hell’s gate or heaven’s gates, hell’s flames, a live production that graphically presents the choice between heaven and hell, what will happen in eternity. And it’s interesting that you, you got saved that because then I think people often, they want to do ministry in the same type of arena that they got saved. And like people who got saved at a crusade, they often like to go do and preach crusades. Cause that’s how they got saved. Or if someone got saved, because someone knocked on their door and talked to them, then, then that’s what they do. And, and so you took that experience in, and you put together a live theatrical stage production called for, can you tell me what the name for means and what that production was all about? Sure.

Garth Peterson (07:09):
Before I do that though, I’ll just let you know, I had no intention of starting any productions doing any multimedia stuff that is, I’ve never been a movie production stage, any of those things. I mean, I’ve done music in the past, but that was so foreign to me. And I had just because I got saved through a production, I never had the vision to use a production to save others. I just had the, the, the vision to reach people with the gospel. However, that was, and actually the, the vision of that came is a, you know, a few years after I had given my life to Jesus and opportunity came for a youth pastor position. And I, I took it and this little Methodist church, and when I was writing messages or trying to write messages this download, I had, it was originally called the last day or a last day.

Garth Peterson (07:56):
It was just like, I was trying to write messages. And all of a sudden I just wrote this thing that was like seven, eight pages long. And I thought this isn’t a message. You know, what the heck do I do with this thing? And so I tried to turn it into a message and I think I’d probably attempted that a few times with the youth, but it just sat and it didn’t really go anywhere. And then in 2008, I was going to one day a week on Mondays or two days a week, Mondays and Tuesdays to victory Bible college. And this man named Tom Newman came in and spoke at our chapel and he spoke about his salvation, how he came to Christ and about how God had put this thing in his heart from this book, he had read gates of splendor and how he had had that in his heart for years, and then shared it one day at a meeting and a guy named Mr.

Garth Peterson (08:46):
Green heard the vision. And they came together and it produced a movie called the end of the spear. And then he said, these words, he said you can’t trick your heart. You must be a determiner of your heart. He said for you know, problems for 23, you know, for whatever has your heart basically has your life from, you know, guard your heart above all else for out of it comes to issues of life. And then he said this, he said, if God puts something in your heart, it won’t leave you, it will remain. And that means you’re supposed to do something with it in a moment. He said that it was like, boom. And I thought, man, that thing I wrote all that time back because that’s supposed to be a movie or what’s that supposed to be. And that’s how it came. And after I went to that chapel, I went back home and I went looking for it. Cause I had no idea what I had done with it. And I found it and I pick it back up and I started writing it and that turned into four. So the basis of four is four is the parable of the sower brought into modern day times. The story is about five teenagers. Four of whom are the foregrounds, you know, the, the hard ground.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:50):
Yeah. It’s the, the parable that Jesus told the parable of the sower about the four different grounds. Correct.

Garth Peterson (09:56):
And so each of these four young people are those four grounds and the fifth one is a witness. And so and her name’s Casey. And so she witnesses she knows they all go to school together. They all live in the same town and sheet note. They all know each other. And so you should get to see their lives in the earth, but then once they step into eternity through an accident, they all die. At the same time they stand before God, she witnesses them standing before God. And what each one of those hearts or grounds looks like as they stand before God. And, and one of them is a, is kind of like I was done, believe anything, thinks God’s, whatever. It’s just a bunch of, you know, nothing. The second one goes to church, but gets persecuted and falls away, you know?

Garth Peterson (10:39):
And the third one is the pastor’s daughter. Who’s the thorny ground who, who acts like she loves Jesus in front of everybody, but really loves the world. And the fifth one is the good ground. And so you get to see what that looks like eternally. And the, the production is a big production. It’s about an hour, hour, 15 minutes long. And it made a great impact everywhere we went, you know, not only for those to coming to Christ, but but for believers because it gave them that view of man one day, I’m going to stand before God, you know,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:08):
You took this production to different churches here in rural Oklahoma, just going anywhere that would have you on it’s a lot of work putting on a production. What are some of the testimonies that came out of that? Did some people get saved? Yeah. Well,

Garth Peterson (11:24):
The thing of it was we didn’t, you know, everything was a learning experience. So the first ones I did or the first ones we did we gave an invitation, but we didn’t like call people forward and we didn’t count numbers or any of that. So I had no idea on the first three performances, how many people gave their lives to Jesus. But we did 11 performances, 12 performances, total 11 plus the first one we did was like our icebreaker just to be able to do it. And there were 120 that we had actually confirmed people that were salvations. Now, there were more than that, but we don’t, you know, I can’t say that because of the only ones I know about, but the thing that, what it was is it, four is a really, you know, everything we do with the gospel is a seed.

Garth Peterson (12:06):
And we really believe in the power of that seed, just like the power of the, you know, the, the parable of the message of the soul or the parable of the sower. You know, Jesus says that’s basically the most powerful parable he tells. He says, if you don’t understand this parable, how will you understand any of the parables? So the gospel is that seed that we plant. And so we don’t get to choose how that produces, you know, that’s, that’s due to the that’s because of the soil of the person’s heart and also the power of God in that message. But we would hear testimonies afterwards, you know, people that went to, came to church and said, you know, I went to that performance and is that real? Are we really going to stand before God like that? And I would hear about other people leading them to Jesus and about how their life changed.

Garth Peterson (12:48):
The last performance we did, there was a girl there and she didn’t come forward, but she was in the youth group. And I guess later on, she came and talked to the pastor and the pastor said that thing radically changed her life. She’s not even the same person anymore. So, you know, we have those confirmed numbers, which is kind of strange that it’s 120, you know, when he, when he kind of mirrored that to acts, you know, there’s 120 in that upper room, but that was the, that was the end result of actual numbers that we, that we recorded. Yeah. You

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:17):
Mentioned Tom Newman many years ago, he had toymakers dream, which was a theatrical production that he took all over the United States and around the world. That was a, a great depiction of the gospel in a visual form. And Tom Newman. He always talks about the importance of reaching a sight and sound generation. This generation spends so much time on their phone. So much time watching television. So much communication comes through the videos that they watch on Netflix and on Disney plus, and the church. Sometimes it’s still stuck with just someone standing in a pulpit in preaching. And in order to reach a sight and sound generation, we need more than just words that worked great back in the 18 hundreds. But I think we need to tell stories, communicate stories through film and your theatrical production did such a good job of that, of communicating the gospel in a visual way. And so I think it’s just tremendous. I think more people need to think about doing this kind of thing of, of reaching people through arts, through theater, through telling stories, stories are such an important way of communicating the gospel. Jesus was always telling stories. I think we should tell more stories. I agree.

Garth Peterson (14:49):
And you know, I didn’t know Tom Newman did that toymakers dream or any of that stuff. When I heard him speak, I mean, he may have mentioned it that day when we heard him in chapel, but I didn’t know that till after the fact. And then I went back and looked at that, you know, after we started everything and how he used like music that was culturally relevant. Cause see, that’s the thing about the church. We’re not always culturally irrelevant and you know, we need to change our methods without changing the method. And it’s funny, you should say that about seeing and hearing and believing because that’s the name of our production. Our ministry is see, hear and believe productions. And we got that from Jesus when he said, you know what, their eyes that they would see, what areas that they would hear and what their hearts said would turn and be healed.

Garth Peterson (15:26):
Well, they would believe, and he’s quoting from Isaiah. Right. And that’s actually tied to the parable of the sower. So yeah, Tom’s he was he was innovator in all of that. You know, when I heard that he was using like, when they first started toy makers dream, which was just a little street play and they used pink Floyd and they used all these rock music that the church was probably gasping at, you know, but that was reaching the people that it that the church wasn’t reaching, you know, and it’s like the church that we go to to reach people that no one’s reaching, you got to do things that no one’s doing. And so, yeah, Daniel you’re right on with that. I totally 100% agree with that, that we live in a sight and sound generation more than now, than any day in the history of our world. And we need to use what we have to be a bridge to bring the gospel to people because the gospel is the power of God into salvation. So, you know, the boring thing though about that is not changing the message as we do it, you know, being truthful and be doing it with the right with the right motive, with the right why behind our, what it should be love and everything that we do. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:30):
I want to congratulate you because you have a brand new book that is hot off the press. And I remember about a year ago, you and I were talking, you shared that you wanted to write a book and you’re asking me some questions about how to do it and how to do the cover and stuff. And, and so I was able to coach you a little bit through that process, but the, the book is just beautiful. You’ve got a beautiful cover. It’s called the war within. Tell me a little bit about this book and, and what people can learn from it.

Garth Peterson (17:01):
Yeah. The book is actually the greatest where we face is not one without, from the outside of us as a believer. It’s the one from the inside of us. We have outside influence, but it’s our inside response and choice to the things that take place that determine the course of our life. And it goes back to what what Mr. Newman said in, in that, that meeting, which is a core scripture for me, Proverbs 4 23, you know, out of, out of your heart, comes your life, you know, guard your heart above all else for your, it determines the course of your life as a new living translation of that verse. And that’s really what the book is about. Whatever has your heart has your life. You know, our war that we go through as a believer is in our mind, but what affects our heart is determines how we live.

Garth Peterson (17:41):
You know, it’s not just what we think, which are what we think is important, because what we think does determine what we do, but it’s really what has our heart has our life. And a lot of this book came out from the production, you know I had I started to ride in inner gain. It started as a message and for preaching somewhere and it just kind of blew up. And I immediately knew that I was supposed to write this book and I thought, God, I’m, I’m not an author. I was terrible. I flunked English in school. I mean, we we’d write a book. I don’t know what, you know, how am I supposed to do this? I have no

Garth Peterson (18:10):
Clue, but I had no clue how to do that, the production or the filming or the stage stuff. And so you know, God gives you a grace to do what he’s called you to do because there’s people on the other side of that. And so the premise is really that, and it really says it here in a subtitle, you know, the battle is fought in the mine, but the war is won or lost in the heart. So that’s the premise of the book. And it’s just to help people help believers, you know, gain victory in our lives as are walking through things. You know, when we went through the production of four, I mean, it was it was a battle. It was it was very difficult and it was, but it was a very good growing time for, for me and for the people that were in it.

Garth Peterson (18:51):
I mean, the kids, we had all teenage staff actors, you know, so you can imagine a group of teenagers trying to keep them together, trying to keep a schedule and train them how to act. And, and they were, they were so anointed. I’m so grateful for God sending those them into our lives, you know, and the people that worked with us at the time who helped train them, it was just the whole thing was a God thing. But it was, it was it was a battle, you know, and anytime you’re going into that place where the enemy has a has a hold in people’s lives and you’re bringing them out of the kingdom of darkness and helping them to come into the kingdom of light, you know, you’re facing opposition. So, but the, but the battle we’re facing is really not against Satan himself.

Garth Peterson (19:37):
You know, people are always saying, oh, the devils done got me. The devil did this to me, you know, and I would hear that all the time. And I think, well, for one, the devil’s just one dude. He’s not like, God, he’s not [inaudible]. He can only be in one place at one time, he has no power or authority over any believer because he’s already been defeated through what Jesus did through his death and resurrection. So we’re living in victory and we’re actually coming from a place of victory. We’re not trying to gain it. We already have it. And so that’s the other premise of the book that we’re coming from victory. And so we need to, we need to know that as we’re walking into those situations, you know, against the forces of darkness, that, you know, our authority, who we are, identity is a core part of the book too, and what we have and what we can do to accomplish the goal and mission that God has for our lives.

Garth Peterson (20:23):
The one that Jesus died for us to, to accomplish here in this world. And it’s I hope it inspires people and I hope it, it also leads people to salvation, you know, like Daniel, anything we do, if just one person, you know, if this book took a year and a half to write, and it was just a big growing experience as well. And I’m so thankful for your help, you’re such a help to me and a inspiration to me, you know, I’ve read several your books probably eight of them. And every one of them has inspired me, you know, and also use those as a blueprint. When I was writing my books, I’ve seen how, how it was laid out or how I could do this or that, you know, so I’m very grateful. But if this book, if it, you know, a year and a half, but if, if one person, I mean, one soul comes into the kingdom as a result of that too. It’s, it’s, it’s worth it, make it, how can you put a value on, on a soul you can, and I’m like, you don’t want to see millions. And I want to see all 8 billion souls in the world come to Jesus and God does too that’s as well. But, you know, we get to do our part, you know, we, we do what we can and he does what we can’t. And so so that hopefully that’s descriptive enough on the premise of the book and that it, it touches

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:33):
Well, I love your passion for souls. You have a true evangelistic heart. Even now your, your eyes are tearing up a little bit, just thinking about all the lost souls. Let’s finish with a word of prayer for people in our city and our state or country to be saved. Would you lead us in prayer? Absolutely.

Garth Peterson (21:54):
Father. We just come in the power of agreement in the name of Jesus. And we release faith today, father, for the people in this world, every person that you place such incredible value upon that you came to earth. And did you gave your life on a cross and was raised from the dead father. We pray right now that people would hear that message. We pray for opportunity to be bridges to people in this world, the people around us, not only in this city, but in our country and in the nations of the world. We thank you that there’s nothing impossible with you that is according to our faith. And so Daniel and I, and those that are listening today, we released faith today for the salvation of every man, woman, boy, and girl on the face of this earth, that they would come to know you, to know your love and to know your life living on the inside of them. We pray against those strongholds and principalities and that, that deadly religion that would try to hold people in captivity. And we release faith today for the power of Jesus and the lives of those people, especially those right now that are listening to this podcast. We thank you for what you have done and for what you will do and what you’re going to do. And Jesus, we know you’re coming back soon. And so we’re grateful and we pray this in your name. Jesus. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:59):
Amen. Well, thank you Garth, for being on the evangelism podcast. It’s great to have you here. Absolutely. Thank you, Daniel. I appreciate it. Thanks for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (24:11):
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Philip Renner | Worship Evangelism

When Philip Renner was six years old, his father Rick Renner became a missionary to the former Soviet Union. Philip grew up in Russia and God used his musical talent to reach hundreds of churches and thousands of people. Now God has given Philip a burden for America and so he is using his music as an  evangelistic tool to change hearts in the biggest cities in America.

About Philip Renner: Philip Renner is a missionary, author, worship leader, speaker, revivalist, recording artist,
and songwriter. He has been used by God in Russia and in America.

Questions:

What is God doing in Russia right now?

What is the connection between worship and evangelism?

How is God using worship meetings to change the atmosphere in American cities?

Website: https://www.philiprenner.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PhilipRennerMinistries/ 

Listen to The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelism Coach Daniel King.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
When Philip Renner was six years old, his father, Rick Renner became a missionary to the former Soviet union. Phillip grew up in Russia and God used his musical talent to reach hundreds of churches and thousands of people. Now, God has given Philip a burden for America, and he is using his music as an evangelistic tool to change hearts in the biggest cities in America.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:26):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:03):
The evangelism podcast on Daniel King. And I’m excited about leading people to Jesus today. I have a special guest Philip Renner. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Philip Renner (01:13):
I’m so excited to be here. It’s so awesome.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:17):
Well, I’m delighted to talk to you because your father has been one of my heroes ever since I was in college at oral Roberts university, your father pastor Rick Renner. I was listening to some tapes in the holy spirit library at ORU. And I heard him teach on some revelation he had from the Greek language. And it really caught my attention because all the preachers that I heard always talking about the Greek language would say, you know, the word dunemas means power and that’s all that they knew, but your father really knew about Greek. And so I found out he was in Tulsa and I called him and, and went over and met with your father. And he gave me so tremendous resources for studying Greek. And of course your, your father has been a missionary in Russia for many years. How old were you when you first went to the former Soviet union?

Philip Renner (02:16):
I was six years old.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:18):
And what was that like growing up in Latvia and then Russia?

Philip Renner (02:23):
Well, I think the most interesting moment is that dad really didn’t want to move. And he was trying to find somebody who would say, it’s not God’s will. So we talked to his pastor and he said, the pastor said, oh, that is God’s. Well, that sounds awesome. They need your teaching. And he was trying to find somebody. So he talked to my mom who was having a nightmares at the time that the KGB were chasing her through the night and she would be running down the street and then she would jump into a trash. And then as they would open up the lid of the trashcan that KGB had found her and she would wake up, she was having those kinds of dreams. And she said, oh, that sounds like Godspell. But he was trying to find somebody who would say no. And so he sat us all three down and he said, okay, God is calling us to the former Soviet union.

Philip Renner (03:25):
And it’s very possible that we move over there and you all become orphans. Me and your mom are killed for the gospel. You’ll never go back to America. You can forget about it, who your, who your grandma is and forget about everything because we could be killed. Do you understand? And we’re like, yes, daddy, we understand, we didn’t understand the former Soviet union. I mean, I’m six years old. My, my other brother is turning three and Paul is eight. So Joel is two and Paul is eight and I’m six. And so we don’t know what the former Soviet union is, but he said, what do you think? And I said, dad, well, if if you’re going to do something for the Lord, you know, if we’re going to die, we might as well die for Jesus. And he was like, oh, no, it’s happening.

Philip Renner (04:14):
So we moved. And I remember there was there was nothing I remember. I remember standing in line for food and because there was no food. I remember everything being gray purple or black. So there was no color in anything. A blue shirt would be, you know, non-existent all this stuff. Remember how cold it was, but also remember the miracles when dad started the ministry and he started the TV program and the TV program, it was really funny because it was just like the setting of we’re here right now, except the microphone was in it was in a plant and you would speak into the plant. And those first programs were horrible, but they did the job. And I remember going to the stadium and seeing the miracles and seeing how God was really moving. And then dad started the church and then unraveled. And it’s, you know, 25 years later. And,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:23):
And now your family has had a tremendous impact all over the former Soviet union. And your, your family is very well-known in ministry over there. And you actually grew up loving the Russian people, loving music and participated in a program where they were searching for the next music star. And you won and you are offered a recording contract, but you turned it down. Why did you return it, turned it down.

Philip Renner (05:54):
I turned it down because the Lord told me better and different three words that completely transformed my life. He said later, because you’re not ready for that platform right now. You’re not ready spiritually. You’re not ready. You would break in the Russian show business and better. Cause I’ve got a better plan at different because it’s going to be wild. And it’s not what you imagined. Those three words later, a better and different transformed my life that day. And I said, okay, Lord, which at that time, I really wasn’t on fire for the Lord. If I had signed the contract, I would have basically been saying goodbye to my Christian life and being controlled by the Russian show business and become the next star. But that wasn’t God’s plan. But the amazing thing is he said, I’ll still bring you these people. And so through a course of events that happened, I said no to all of that.

Philip Renner (06:57):
And I actually stopped doing music for about three years because I told the Lord, you know, this is an idol for me. I’m not going back. I’m going to Bible school. I am going to delete music from my life because music is so it’s an idol. And so I’m going to Bible school and I’m going to be focused on you, really rededicate my life. And it’s amazing that the things that you say no to the idols that you say no to when you change your motive, God has a way of resurrecting them back because now you’re ready for it. And it was a couple of years later that I actually started writing music for the MTV artists of, of Russia. And even now I’m writing music and for one of the biggest artists of Russia right now.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:49):
And so God opened up the door for you to minister tremendously through music in Russia. What were some of the things that you were able to impart in the area of music to the church in Russia?

Philip Renner (08:07):
Well, I think that something that’s important to establish is in America, you have a new worship song from hundreds of different artists coming out every single week. Well, in Russia at that time, there was nothing. There’s a lot of animalistic stuff that was coming out, but there was nothing that was available as far as worship. Everybody was doing a copy of what Hillsong did or, you know, all the, all the artists in America or abroad, planet shakers all those guys, Chris Tomlin. So they’re just translating everything that they do and then re recording it. And I said, God, I don’t like this. I don’t want to sing under the cover. I want to release the sound of Russia. And I beginning asking him, Lord impart into me the sound of Russia. And we recorded an album and released it. And it went viral pretty much overnight.

Philip Renner (09:11):
And it became the first album in about 15 years that had been released of original worship music. And I had said, Lord, I’m ready to start traveling. But I thought maybe it would be once a week while it turned into nine months out of the year very quickly. And it kind of reminded me, you better be careful how you ask God to use you because he will. And then it’s kind of shocking. Then you say goodbye to your wife for nine months. But that’s the way it happened. And we saw miracles. We saw demons cast out. We saw the supernatural happen. We saw, you know, mosh pit worship where people were just there’s such an expression of joy and freedom. And then, you know, 30 minutes later, they’re all on their knees because the presence of God is so strong and you don’t even want music because you just want silence. You know, that even to play a sound at that moment would maybe even interrupt what God is saying, because God is speaking to the people at that time. And so yeah, it’s been, it’s been powerful and that has released a, a sound and a movement of worship all over Russia. And when I say rush, I mean the 15 republics or nations that surround Russia

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:36):
And you really love Russia. You, you grew up speaking Russian, you’re married to a Russian wife. Your kids speak Russian, but just a couple of years ago, God really sent you from Russia back here to America as missionaries, because God wants to do something here in America. Talk me through that process. Why, why did you come back from Russia? You you’ve got tremendous open doors all over Russia, speaking in churches ministering. Why did you come back here to America?

Philip Renner (11:13):
Well, I read God’s generals and as I read God’s generals, I realized that America has been sending out missionaries for the last 200 years, all over the world. And my Russian friends at the time, bishops that have, you know, hundreds of churches underneath them have been saying, Philip, we need you in Russia. If you ever think about going somewhere don’t don’t and especially America, because America is doomed, there’s going to be no revival in America. Nothing is going to happen in America. Stay here in Russia. And I began talking to them and saying, wait a minute, wait a minute. What you are saying does not make sense spiritually. I respect you a Bishop, but how were you saved? And they said, well, an American came over preached to us and it started a movement we got saved. So the Bible says you reap what you sell.

Philip Renner (12:08):
So if America sewed into Russia into the surrounding nations for 200 years, that America is about to reap a harvest that is going to blow, you know, blow our socks off. It’s going to be amazing. And I remember thinking to myself, I want to be a part of that. And the Lord told me, he said, there are two nations in you. And the older will serve the younger. And I knew that the Russian in me, cause I lived there for 25 years would come back that I wouldn’t come back as someone who was trying to look for a better life or, or a different climate to live in, or, you know, running away from Russia because of persecution or there’s no persecution in Russia, but I’m just creating different scenarios of what people think. And that’s what the Lord said to me. He said, the older nation in you will serve the younger.

Philip Renner (13:07):
And so we moved here with our family and the first three years was a little weird because I thought that it would be very well accepted here in America because I’m very well accepted in Russia. And the Lord really took me through some humility, but I really, it had to start from zero all over again. But God really taught me. It’s not, it’s not what you do. It’s who you carry. And he loves you. Not because of the songs that you released, not because of the healings that happened through your ministry, not because of your plans. He loves you just because of who you are. And it was like going through a desert. I came back and it was, it was weird because I still went to Russia all the time. I went to Kazakhstan, I went to Belarus. I went to all these nations surrounding Russia, Ukraine.

Philip Renner (14:01):
I went to all these places, but even people from Russia would say, okay, fellows. So you say, you ha you got a word from God, right? But you’re still just going back to Russia. Why aren’t people in America calling you to minister? And I would say, I don’t know, but I know I have a word from the Lord. And I think it was just a process of dying to myself. But to really minister, you have to die to yourself. You have to die to your dreams. Because when I moved here, I just thought myself, man, it’s just going to be instant. I’m going to be the next big thing. And then God put me through this desert. She, because I’m humble. It was a lot of and breaking on the inside of me. And it’s like God, I don’t care if I’m the next, the next big thing.

Philip Renner (14:56):
I really don’t care about gout going to the biggest church. I don’t really don’t even care if my name is on a flyer or not. I don’t want my name on a flyer. I want your name on the flyer. And I want God to be glorified in the center of cities and shift the atmosphere. And so once that orphan mentality was, it was about the time that COVID hit. And the Lord taught me that there is a sound in America that is very different from Russia, which I came here with the Russian sign thinking, oh, I’m going to cause people to love the Russian sound and teach them that the American sound is not right. But God said, I’ve brought you to Tulsa to teach you the American sound. And I really began to adapt that sound. I hated it when I moved here. I mean, I think this is, this is horrible.

Philip Renner (15:51):
But then the Lord began to, to work in me and change me. So there’s an American sound here and it’s not the Russian sound and you must learn the American sound. And so that was why I moved to Tulsa and I was a pastor or worship pastor here millennial church. And that was where I, I learned the American sound and I’m very grateful for that. And but when I learned that sound that was about when COVID hit. And that’s when the Lord said, it’s time to start your restart your ministry in America. And I said, Lord, this is really weird because all the churches are shut as a traveling evangelist as a minister. I mean, how am I going to preach to people? If all the churches are shut, you’re breaking my whole idea of ministry because my idea of ministry is go to a church preach and get people saved in the church.

Philip Renner (16:53):
But if all the churches are closed, how do you do ministry? And he began to show me Phillip, it’s time to go and shift the atmosphere. And I really didn’t know what that meant, but I remember one night, which it didn’t start from that night actually started from Tulsa, Oklahoma. He said go to Guthrie green. And it was the middle of the day. It was a hundred degrees outside. And he said, go to Guthrie green and begin to shift. The atmosphere, began to prophetically speak and shift what has been said over a downtown. And I didn’t really understand that except that Lamar Boschman it was really become very dear to me said that the prophets in the old Testament, they would go to a place. And if it was a school of profits back then, it wasn’t just a school of profits. It was school of musicians and they had the right and they were taught to either speak over a specific geographic location or to sing over that geographic location.

Philip Renner (18:06):
And they would literally shift the landscape and shift the atmosphere. And so I did it in Guthrie green, and I said, Lord, what will that, what does that look like? And it wasn’t long after that, that I really had an encounter with the Lord. And that was when he said, it’s time for you to pray. You have to go and pray. And I felt like, like I don’t know, like 300 pounds had been dropped on my chest and I could not move until I began to pray and begin praying in the spirit. And it was instant. One second, you’re in the holy of Holies and there you’re crying and you’re crying. You don’t know what’s going on. And it’s just, just an immediate encounter with God. And I said, Lord, what is this? And he’ll say, he said, you don’t know yet, but before you go to bed, you’ll know.

Philip Renner (18:59):
So I went to bed and I opened up my phone and I see the notifications and I see Chicago and fire. And he said to me, I want you to go to Chicago and shift the atmosphere downtown the center of the Chicago, the heart of Chicago, that’s where you’re supposed to go. So me and another evangelist, Brian McKnight, we got together and we did Chicago. It was in the middle of three riots, a daily Plaza, which I didn’t know was right next to city hall. And, and it was amazing because we saw stateness, that would try to cross the street to curse us, but they couldn’t because we had literally taken communion. And when we took communion, it was like a shield of favor that surrounded us. The interesting thing is, is there was nothing physically that could have stopped them to cross the street and curse us nothing, but they would come halfway across the street and then go back halfway across the street and then go back because they couldn’t get past the spiritual bloodline that had been established because we had taken communion and done a, you know, a walk of prayer in and said, we’re going to establish a bloodline around this place, but we could cross the street to preach to them.

Philip Renner (20:20):
And it was amazing. But then there was another group, about 600 people, because I said, this was in between three riots that were supposed to come through us. And and they were surrounded with about 300 different different policemen, all using crowd control to try to stop them from doing what they were doing. And they got within about maybe 50, 60 feet of our event. They just freaked out and they could not pass. They could not pass. And they went the other direction and it was that shield of favor. And the Lord showed me, he said, Philip, when you bring worship to the center of the city, true worship, then, then you bring confusion in the enemy’s camp, which is what happened with Gideon. The shout of the Lord, you know, the breaking of the vessels with fire coming out, which is us. Then the confusion came in the enemy’s camp. And since then we’ve done about 13 cities, including Sacramento, the Capitol. And it’s just been phenomenal to see the healings, to see the shifting of the atmosphere. Something that’s very close to me. As, you know, some places you go and you think there’s going to be thousands, or you think that there’s going to be hundreds, but God didn’t call you to hundreds. God called you maybe to one, you

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:00):
Have been shifting the atmosphere in different cities. Talk to me about some of the places that you’ve.

Philip Renner (22:07):
So some places you go to thousands and sometimes you minister to the one, that’s something that’s very close to me. And especially if you’re an evangelist, you know, sometimes it’s like, I want to see the thousands, but sometimes God didn’t call you to thousands. Sometimes he called you to the one and the Lord told me after 10 people were killed in king Sooper in Boulder, Colorado. He said, Phillip, I need you to go. And I need you to shift the atmosphere from that place. And it was about 10, 10 days later we came and it was just, wasn’t a big setup with a ton of musicians. It was just, just one speaker and an acoustic and singing over the atmosphere. And it was really interesting cause I planned one day and then the Lord shifted it to another day. And I, I didn’t even call churches together.

Philip Renner (22:58):
Really. I just called a couple of friends. I think this is really important. I don’t want to make a big deal out of it, but this is important. And as we were playing, there was a young man who came up and he came there to lash his anger towards God because he knew one of the people that was killed in king Sooper that day. And so he came to say, God, why did you do this? Why did you let this happen? Why, why was my friend killed in that supermarket that day? And so he came to basically yell at God. And when he got there, he heard worship and his heart was broken and he said, God, I repent. God, I love you. God you’ve encountered. And sometimes you go after the one. And so that’s something that I hold dear to my heart because because we can’t forget about the one we can’t forget about you know, life being just, oh, we got to do this event. And that event, that event if you’re a true Vangelis, if you’re an evangelist, then you carry what is on you 24 7. And it could happen at a coffee shop or it could happen at a quick trip. You don’t live your life from a big event, but you live your life from a place of God. Use me wherever I am to go after the one.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:34):
Let’s talk about the link between worship and evangelism. You go into different places often, right? In the center of a state in front of the, the state house or in front of the, the city courthouse. You get a permit. If you can, if you can’t get a permit, you still go and you begin to worship to sing. And then you also evangelize what is that link between worship and evangelists?

Philip Renner (25:05):
Well, in DC, this is, this is how it worked is the Lord told me, he said, you need to get musicians together to shift the atmosphere. But as people gather, you need to, you need to know how to fish. So worship and the sound, the shifts, the atmosphere is the bait. But then, you know, you got to know how to fish. You gotta bring in the line to catch that fish. And so I believe that when you bring worship to the center of a city, you establish the government of God in that city, which is why it’s so important to go to the stronghold of that city, because you’re saying, okay, I’m reclaiming this place because this place has God’s place, which is something that was very important that you talked about here in Tulsa that I didn’t know about the Guthrie. Green was actually a place where that God broke out a hundred years ago, there was like a Pentecost.

Philip Renner (26:04):
And the first church was established there at Guthrie green. And so that’s an important place for God. And it’s also the center of authority in Tulsa, but you go to that place and you establish the government of God. And so you do this, and then you have evangelists that are around you that are watching who’s, who’s taking out their phones or who’s stopping to listen. And as they’re stopping to listen, you go up to them. You pray for them. You speak to them, you pray for healing. You ask the Lord what are the words of knowledge that could have right now to speak to this person? And you really do what God has called you to do. So that’s how the worship and the evangelism, how they linked together and the prophetic,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:54):
The next city you’re hoping to go to is

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Boulder, Colorado.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:59):
And then in the future, God’s given you some, some big ideas. What are some of the things that you think that God wants to do here in America?

Philip Renner (27:09):
Honestly, I’m kind of waiting on the Lord on the next big idea, but there are cities that God says, okay, it’s time to go here. Was a worship school that I want to want to do because we are to equip people. I want to equip people to do this. I mean, I’ve been thinking about what would it look like if I took 10 crazy, crazy worship leaders and, and took him to a bar and said, I want you to lead this worship song in that bar. And then you have a couple of evangelists there that are ready to pray for people, ask people, does anybody need a healing who is dealing with this in their life right now? And just have the presence of God just overpower somebody in that place. Which is something we kind of saw in Tulsa at the gay bar, which was really cool. But yeah. Tell me about that.

Philip Renner (28:07):
It was it was at Guthrie green, which is so, so conniving and evil, that a place where a place where the first church was established, a move of God was established. There’s no church there now, but now there’s a gay bar right across the street. So the enemy wants that place. He doesn’t want a church to be there. He doesn’t want the influence of God to be there. But the Lord just said, go into the gay bar and begin to preach. And I wish I could say that there were miracles and that people got saved, but sometimes it’s not about you know, people getting saved immediately. But I knew it was specifically about the guy who was greeting people because he was a Christian. I believe that he was a pastor’s son and he had been hurt by the church and what God wanted to do because he was being ripped up. He, he, he didn’t know what to think about everything that happened. He said, I got to kick you guys out of here because you can’t pray for people in a gay bar. What are you talking about? You can’t do this. And I said, we have not told one person that they are center. We have not told one person that they’re going to hell. We haven’t told anybody, anything like that. We are just pouring out the love of God, praying for people talking about their identity and their worth in Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:31):
I think that’s the right approach. And in Romans it says that the goodness of God draws all men to repentance. And I think people need to see the goodness of God.

Philip Renner (29:40):
Absolutely. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:41):
The guy’s standing on the street corner with the megaphone shouting. You’re all going to hell is rarely, really very effective.

Philip Renner (29:48):
Yes. you gotta be led by a holy spirit how to preach. And I think it’s a good question to ask people you know, if you were died day, where would you spend eternity? But God will teach you how to say that in a very respectful understanding way. But sometimes you’re not supposed to go there. Sometimes you’re supposed to say how has your mother, I think she’s dealing with cancer right now. And the person is blown away because how could you know that? How could you know that I’m dealing with the issue in my blood vessel right now? How could you know that? And God is God is moving and shifting things. And that’s where the work of the evangelist is so powerful because it’s because there’s signs and there’s wonders. And the Bible says that Peter, that he would walk through a place and even the shadow would heal people.

Philip Renner (30:52):
So that’s what I’m asking. I’m like, Lord, that’s what shifting the atmosphere is. What does that look like? What does it look like to be just so full of God that you walk into a place? And everyone knows in there that it’s not just you, that walked in the place, but God walked into that place with you. And it’s not in his spirit of being judgmental. You’re all going to hell. Maybe sometimes God will tell you to be very strong and speak strongly, but I don’t think it’s all the time. And it’s always going to be with a spirit of understanding with the spirit of love and no condemnation. And so you know, if you were to ask me about three years ago, we want to go to the bar to preach. I would say no. And I, and I think I would have had a very judgemental attitude towards it.

Philip Renner (31:54):
Like, I don’t want to, not necessarily, I don’t want to be with those centers, but oh man, I don’t want to be in that, that evil place. I don’t want that stuff to get on me, you know, but it’s the compassion of God. And I think that if you have a relationship with, with God and you know, we’re talking about Greek words, right? And one of my favorite words in Greek is the word Jesus had compassion on them and not to get crude. But the word compassion is a splash of [inaudible], which means movement of the bowels. And we all know what movement of the bowels is. It causes you to take action. If you need to go to the bathroom, there’s nothing that is going to stop you. You’re going to ignore everyone and you’re going to go to the bathroom. And so it’s,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:48):
It says Jesus was moved with compassion. It moved in the same way you would be moved urgently to go. Yes,

Philip Renner (32:56):
There was something literally on the inside of him that caused him to have pain. It’s like, I got to do, I got to do this. I got to pray for that sick person. I got to preach to this person. And, and that’s what compassion is. Compassion is not pity. Compassion is action. And it’s compassion on, on gay people. It’s compassion on the bars or whatever it be that tells you. And I see the light of God and I didn’t go in there by myself. I found three other guys. And I said, man, let’s do this thing because there’s always someone that is ready to do it with you. And it’s about compassion that causes you to do these things. And I just, I want to pray for people right now, father. I thank you for everyone watching right now, everyone listening right now.

Philip Renner (33:55):
And God I ask you that we would be moved with compassion, that we wouldn’t be able to just sit and watch someone homeless or someone who is sick and say, oh God, I wish you would do something. But God let us be the ones that are moved with compassion to go after the one to even leave the 99 to go after the one to not be just so focused on the next crusade that is going to have thousands of people, but God, to be moved with compassion, to go after the one in our every day life in the name of Jesus father,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:36):
Amen. We’ll fill up. I love your heart for evangelism. I love your heart for, for worship and leading people into a relationship with Jesus. If someone wants to know more about your ministry, what’s your website.

Philip Renner (34:50):
The website is Philip brenner.com and Facebook is Philip Brenner ministries. Instagram is at Phillip printer. Wonderful.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:59):
Well thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast.

Philip Renner (35:03):
I’m so honored. Thank you. Thank you, Daniel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:05):
Thanks for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (36:09):
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Ticha Willibroad | A Voice Worth Hearing

I met Dr. Ticha Willibroad at a crusade in Madagascar. He is from the nation of Cameroon. He has a heart for lost souls and he has ministered all over Africa. He has a vision for Operation Last Hour Rescue, a team of hospital chaplains that are dedicated to leading dying people to Jesus.

About Ticha Willibroad: Willibroad W. Ticha (PhD) is founder and president of Gospel Heroes World Missions. He lectures on Missions, Apologetics and Leadership.  His boldness and extremely daring engagement of his ministry assignment, is due to his belief; Whatever is worth doing, is worth doing now and quickly!

Check out his Website: https://tichawillibroad.com/ 

Connect with Ticha Willibroad on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ticha.willibroad.3 

Buy Ticha Willibroad’s book: 

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
I met Dr. Ticha Willibroad at a crusade in Madagascar. He is from the nation of Cameroon. He has a heart for lost souls, and he has ministered all over Africa. He has a vision for operation last hour, rescue a team of hospital chaplains that are dedicated to leading, dying people

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:19):
To Jesus. Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionary, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:56):
To the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about leading people to Jesus. Today. I have Dr. Willebrand. He is from the nation of Cameroon and we originally met in Madagascar and I was so impressed with all of the pastors conferences and evangelism that he’s doing in different parts of Africa. Dr. Will thank you so much for joining me today.

Ticha Willibroad (01:23):
I guess I’m watching Dr. King. it’s my pleasure to be with you. Of course. I’m very excited every time with you. Remember how we met in Madagascar and how the Lord also used you mightily. I mean, ever since we’ve been very good friends, I sincerely appreciate it. And thank you for having me on this platform.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:40):
So you have a tremendous call from God on your life as any evangelists. Tell me a little bit about your ministry and what God has called you to do. Yeah.

Ticha Willibroad (01:50):
First of all I’ve been seven love for a couple of years right now. I got saved when I was much younger, probably my 13. I was 13 of age or so then the Lord revealed to me he’s called wit for ministry. And of course it was it’s, it’s been tough and challenging, especially coming from a family that our daughter we’re Christian, but we’re not really Christians, you know, and answering the call was quite challenging, but God has been seeing me over the years and I’ve done ministry in different capacities before. But the Lord eventually leads us into what we do right now, which we’ve been doing this now for over 11 years. And so we actually organize leadership conferences in different countries where pastors and leaders come from different churches and to attend our conferences and we focus a lot more on the great commission, how the churches within a nation can reach out to the entire nation, the gospel of Jesus Christ, how they can set structures to ensure that evangelism can be, can be ongoing.

Ticha Willibroad (02:47):
So we go to these different nations where we do these conferences and what, what breaks my heart a lot more times is seeing pastors and bishops, you know, so carried by the word of God. I mean, there were brick and, and I’m in the same pattern and you see what the Lord is doing in those different countries. So that’s the kind of ministry which we do. And we also run this project called operation last, our rescue, the Lord spoke to me some time to train special Yvonne JDC chaplains for hospitals and nursing homes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:18):
And so you have a goal To train evangelists that would minister in hospitals and in nursing homes. Why is it important to reach out to people that are in hospitals and nursing homes

Ticha Willibroad (03:30):
You see over the years I’ve experienced, even while growing up. One of the polices I used to evangelize also a lot daily Wayne hospitals. I realized that whenever I post in the Sikh, he’s more conscious of the wall after, because there was an aspect of the fear of death, even an atheist, someone who doesn’t believe in God when he foresee and he’s in the hospital bed, and he’s not really sure what he’ll be will or whatever. There’s always that question, what happens after this? So I realized that at that point in time, a lot of people, even those who do not want to hear the gospel before become more open, literally I’ve seen Muslims confess Christ on the hospital bed. They will confess Christ, accept the lodges cause and all that stuff, you know? So I think it’s a very sensitive period in their lives and also a very fit type moment where in the gospel can go across. And then I think it’s also very important because you can imagine someone living his life without the Lord and, and on his dying bed, he, he received salvation and change the course of his life for eternity. So I think it’s something which is so important and, and the, you know just like the people across the acts of the Christ, you know, he pushed himself.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:40):
So it’s last chance of Angela’s ism right before they go to heaven or hell you give them a chance to heaven or hell to cry out to Jesus for salvation. So how would you go about training in evangelist who wants to go into the hospitals? How would you help that evangelists to become competent at sharing his faith in the hospital?

Ticha Willibroad (05:02):
Yeah. Okay. First of all, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we send our teams to these different countries and we first do, first of all, a vision casting meeting for them to understand why this is so important. Why should we go to hospitals? Why should we go to nursing homes? They have the festival understand that now once the guests understand that, and the fact that it is an opportunity to be the, to be the bridge, through which someone can, can pass through and get into eternity with Christ, you know, it becomes very much more exciting. Then we, we, we, we, we already have the training program. Well-Structured how to be able to reach out to an individual in a hospital environment. It it’s totally different from evangelize on the streets. It’s totally different from preaching in churches. It’s a very sensitive environment and there are certain guidelines and principles that it need to be able to observe.

Ticha Willibroad (05:52):
So we, we, we take them through these training programs about 3d streaming product intensive training, where we educate them as to how to go about it, the hospital environment, the kind of ethics, you know, how to collaborative with hospital staff and how to Rick, because these sick people, oftentimes like we reached out to you, you don’t have that luxury of time to talk to them. Like you could have one hour to talk to them in church. It could just be five minutes, could be 10 minutes. It all depends. But now we teach them strategies on how to be with a sick present for five minutes. And the sick person feels like he has been with them for an hour. So we have all those strategies and how to be able to approach them and all that stuff. So once we train these evangelists, we licensed them to be able to go into hospitals. And in those different countries, we, we, we, we we’ve established structures wearing it structures that helps to get whoever has been trained into hospitals to minister the gospel. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:51):
So you’re originally from the nation of Cameroon, but you’ve worked in many different countries in Africa. What, what are some of the countries that you’ve worked in?

Ticha Willibroad (07:01):
I’ve worked in a few countries in Africa for Nigeria toggle Republic of Benin, Ghana Ethiopia, Tanzania, Rwanda, seashells, militias, Madagascar, South Africa, Zimbabwe Liberia. It could run Guinea Gabon of course, Cameroon as well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:31):
You’ve been to more countries than Africa than I have. And I’ve been to quite a few what as an, as an African who’s called by God, what do you see that God wants to do in the continent of Africa?

Ticha Willibroad (07:47):
I, I strongly believe that there is a mighty revival going on. And the, one of the things that also characterize people from Africa or pre-test in Africa is because you see based on, is it Africans and not, you know, a lot of them are not overly exposed to, to some of the privileges, for example, financially, for example, that in our American preachers or whatever the Westerners may be exposed to. So, and because of that, it pushes them to pray a whole lot so that there was this tearing in, in our, our, this revival in Africa where people are coming to a police, they realize that if they’re going to make it, it has to be to the power of God. So you would see Africans will go into, into all kinds of Prius. People would lock themselves up for and believing because they’re not, if the hand of God doesn’t manifest upon their lives, they’re not gonna succeed.

Ticha Willibroad (08:39):
So I think that there was a mitral valve in Africa. God is raising men and women addicted to the word of God who are addicted to prayer and fasting that the know that is the only way out. And, and, and so, and because of that, there was a whole lot of revival on, in different, in different countries. I mean, you saw what happened with you in, in, in Tanzania with crowds of thousands gathering, you know I think that there was a mighty river going on and I see go to quite whole little things in Africa. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:10):
Now you have your, your doctorate and you’ve written quite a few different books, and many of them are available on amazon.com. Could you share with me the names of some of the books that you’ve written and what they’re about and in the podcast, I’ll put a link to the books. If someone wants to buy a book off of Amazon. Oh, thank

Ticha Willibroad (09:33):
You. Yeah. I’ve written a few books. Most of my books have not been published yet. I’ve written close to 30 books and most haven’t been published. But I have a few of them already on Amazon. We have reclaiming yourself from emotional trauma. Now these are for people who’ve gone through tough times when it come, when it has to do with the relationship, but it feels like they can love again. They feel like, can I really find someone I can trust? Can my life become better? Again, now a book like that, the one that’s going to help them a whole lot to come out of those emotional crisis and to be able to look at life

Ticha Willibroad (10:07):
Mountains, point of view, and not to allow that stigma of the religion of the past to be the whole of them them it’s called the reclaiming yourself from emotional trauma. And, and also we have cultivating the spirit of leadership and the, the, the goal, actually that book is to be able to help those brewing minister, those who want to sell a moat. And it helps them to be able to identify their calling and to be able to pursue, you know, grow in leadership and stuff like that. It helps them to even as a black from his own foundation, with regards to what leadership is all about and how to go on with that, which the Lord has called them to do. I think it’s very important for every leader and everyone desiring to lead in any capacity, whether it’s in ministry or it’s in business or whatever.

Ticha Willibroad (10:58):
I think it’s a very good book on that. We also have the book on recovering. You are 19. Now there are people actually who have been passionate for God or the desire to go hybrid God, but don’t even just know how to go about it. They, they can sense that God is calling them into a deeper walk, into the higher walk. And so I had experienced, but they don’t know how to harness himself towards that. Now the book recovering you’re 19, it’s going to be a very good piece. It helps a person really trace where the mystic retraced themselves, especially those who have been once passionate for God or once acting or hot for God. And somehow they’re now becoming look warm, but they don’t, they don’t like your presence. They don’t want to go back to the place of glory, but they don’t know how to go about that. That book is very dynamic in that it’s going to help them. It begins by creating the hunger. It creates that desperation for God. It brings them to a place where this apple school becomes what they don’t want to be. They don’t want to be a pathway. They want to go with God too, you know, and stop like that. And, and, and it helps to, to create that passion, that Honda for God. And it shows them the practical steps, what it takes to get back to that place of glory. You know? So I think the book recovery anointing is going to be a good piece. That’s wonderful.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:27):
Well, if someone wants to support your ministry, how can they find out more about you? What’s your website? Yeah.

Ticha Willibroad (12:35):
My, my website is our teacher, William S T I C H E w I L L I B R O E d.com. Teacher Willie, product com. We that’s our website a couple of things are being discussed there. They can support the ministry on the homepage. We have this delete button and stop. They can reach out to us through email info at teacher will come and we can put them through as to how they can be partners and stuff like that. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:01):
Well, Dr. Wil, I love your vision for reaching people in the hospitals and nursing homes all over Africa. I love that you’re training people to share their faith and training them in evangelism and bringing pastors together and teaching them about leadership principles. And so God’s hand is upon you, and I believe that God’s going to do amazing things through your ministry. Thank you so much. And God bless

Ticha Willibroad (13:25):
You. Thank you so much your team for having me. I appreciate it, man of God, God bless you. And they got keep on lifting you up on your team and your ministry and that what you do, and with the crisp of the rest would you, might’ve be in Jesus name. Amen. Thanks Daniel. Thank you. Thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:42):
Thanks For listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (14:45):
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Report from Iringa Tanzania Crusade | Jay Smith & Rachel Smith

Recently I preached at a crusade in Iringa, Tanzania. Today I interview two of the Christ for All Nations Evangelism Bootcamp graduates who helped to set up the crusade. They share what they have learned and what they saw God do on the mission field.

For Evangelism Coaching, call Dr. Daniel King at 1-877-431-4276

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Recently, I preached at a crusade in Iringa, Tanzania. Today, I interviewed two of the Christ for all Nations evangelism bootcamp graduates, who helped to set up the crusade. They share what they learned and what they saw God do on the mission field.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:18):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:53):
Welcome To the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about leading people to Jesus. And today I am in the nation of Tanzania, we have just finished a great gospel crusade in Iringa and thousands of people got saved. In fact, we just got the total of the number of decision cards that were filled out 15,715 people gave their lives to Jesus in Iringa. And we have two people with me today who participated in helping to organize and set up the crusade there. And I ring up they are evangelism bootcamp graduates. Now they have gone through the Christ for all nations evangelism bootcamp, and then they did their initiation and then they went to Iringa and they’ve been there for several weeks helping to organize them. And so my first person I’d like to introduce you to is J Smith. J thank you for being with me today.

Jay Smith (01:59):
It’s so good to be here. Thank you so much for having me

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:02):
Now. You’ve got a great accent. Where are you from?

Jay Smith (02:05):
I’m from Birmingham in the United Kingdom,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:07):
Birmingham in the United Kingdom. Wonderful. Well, thank you so much for being with me today. And I also have Rachel Smith and tell me, miss Rachel, where you’re from.

Rachel Smith (02:19):
Hello, thank you for having me today. I’m from Orlando, Florida from

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:23):
Orlando, Florida. All right. So we’ve got Jay Smith and Rachel Smith, but they are not married. They are both single, very single and they have been giving their all for, for Jesus during this time. So let’s start out by talking about the city of Iringa. Jay, what did you see God do in Iringa?

Jay Smith (02:46):
I saw God gather thousands of people and he did miracles and he saved many people. There’s a lot of expectation in the city and you’ve got to feel it. And you could sense it throughout the five days of the crusade and even so we had a very, very powerful time. The churches were encouraged. They were ready because it’s harvest time. And miss Rachel, what

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:08):
Did you see God do in Iringa? How did it impact your life?

Rachel Smith (03:13):
So this was my first gospel crusade that I’d ever been to. And I was so impacted honestly, by seeing all of the work that we had done in the last six weeks culminate into the thousands of people who came to the, to the field. We saw probably 30,000 on average every night come and just to see the hands go up when they when the alter call happened. And then people just get healed. Deliverance happened all over the crusade field. People were just getting touched so deeply by the Lord. So that was really impactful for me, but also getting to see behind the scenes, what it takes to put on a gospel crusade. You know, there’s so many things that I didn’t realize went into it. The first thing being how important it is to unify the church you know, in Christ for all nations comes into a city.

Rachel Smith (04:00):
We’re not just targeting the assemblies of God or the Pentecostals or the charismatics. We go after all of the churches in arena. And one of our main points that we preach is a unity because the body of Christ has to be unified for there to be enough people, honestly, to, to reap the harvest that we need. And also because God wants the church to be unified as the body of Christ. And so we spent a lot of time really casting vision for the crusade. And it’s just amazing that the gospel, you know, when we come together under the gospel of Jesus Christ, that is what everyone, no matter what denomination you are, everyone can come in agreement with that. And everyone was willing to lay aside their differences in theology and just come together for the harvest. And so we saw great success in that way.

Rachel Smith (04:46):
The churches, there were two big branches of denominations they’re called CBCT and CCT. And the CCT was more of the Protestant you know, Lutheran Catholic Anglican, those denominations. And then you had the CBCT, which is more charismatic. Anyway, they had never worked together to this level. And when Christ, for all nations came, we reached out to both of them. And for the first time they came together in unity and they have told us that even after the crusade, they will continue to work together. And so that was a lasting impact that C fan had on the city of arena that I was so excited to be a part of Jake.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:25):
Paul told Timothy to do the work of an evangelist. And there was a lot of work that is involved in making a crusade happen. Were you surprised at all the work and what was some of the work that you were involved in doing well

Jay Smith (05:42):
From the beginning before Decapolis a team of five people, we were organizing our own crusade, not I knew about evangelism and preaching the gospel, but not to this detail and to the perfection that he was at. So I was really surprised by amount of work that we had to do to really mobilize and motivate the whole church. Even with promotion, promotion was a big job. You have to get permission from the council. We had to deal with the wind, tearing down our banners and fighting those kinds of challenges as well. So for me, I was just really my eyes were open to the amount of work that we had to do, like, you know, late nights and early mornings, literally nonstop, nonstop, nonstop, making sure that everybody knows about the crusade. Once we’ve done with the physical promotion, we’re off to the radio to promote it on the radio.

Jay Smith (06:35):
Then we’re mobilizing churches, we’re mobilizing volunteers and it’s a huge operation. It’s a huge operation. And it was just so good to see the team working together in unity to accomplish this task. And it was just wonderful to see the fruit at the end. Now, most people, they see the videos of the crusade. They see the thousands of people gathered. They, they see the salvation numbers, but we see all the details behind the scenes before the crusaders taken place. We’re already on the ground weeks before organizing everything. And when the crusade is finished, we were offered, you know, organizing all the followup material, making sure that all the cards are counted, that they’re in the right place. They’re scanned, they’re sent off. So even after the crusades finished, we’re still doing many things. And, and even now there’s follow-up work going on. And even though the, the stage has been taken down, the trucks have moved on the, the work still continues within the city and it will be going on for, for many, many weeks after. So it’s just a huge endeavor and it really opened my eyes. And it’s impacted me for the future of gospel crusades.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:41):
Evangelism bootcamp started in January, and then you did initiation, which was a lot of work and going out and ministering, and then you came to Iringa and you were helping to set up the cuisine. So, so now you’ve invested almost six months into God’s call on your life and doing evangelism. What are some of the big takeaways in your life from the six months? What has it meant to you?

Rachel Smith (08:11):
Yeah, I can honestly say this has been the most challenging season of my life, the most stretching, but by far the most rewarding. And I would just say for me, before I did the bootcamp, I knew I had the call of evangelism my life. I had a burden for souls, but I didn’t know how to preach a gospel message to the, to the level of excellence that we learned in bootcamp. You know, we were trained in every single way, our stamina, we had to be physically in shape. We had to be mentally just really, really tuned into what God was doing. We had so many book assignments, you know, they really cared about our theology being solid so that we knew why we were preaching what we were preaching, why we did it this way. So for me, it just solidified everything. The Lord had been showing me before bootcamp, but now I have a way to back it up with scripture.

Rachel Smith (09:01):
I know, I know why we do things the way we do. And so for me, it was just sort of stamping and ceiling in my heart, what the Lord had done. And now having being backed by C fan, you know, the, the doors that will open because of the impact that this ministry has in all over the world, you know, C fan has a reputation in Africa, everywhere we go. We say, we’re with C fan. People are just so excited because Reinhard Bonnke, you know, he started see fan. And he, he did gospel crusades here for 40 years. And, and so people, even now in Iringa, we met people who’d been to his gospel crusades,uwho were healed, who were touched. So to be a part of that legacy is an honor. Ubut I, I would just say it was, it was a lot of work, but I will never be the same after this experience. And I just feel like I’ve been launched, you know, so to just to know that I have this ministry behind me, it gives me full confidence to, to move forward and to go into full-time ministry. And just my heart is just to see the nations come to Jesus,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:05):
Jay, Just a few years ago, you weren’t even a Christian and you went through quite a lot in your life in order to come to Jesus. And now here you are preaching the gospel, share with me a little of your testimony and how you came to this point.

Jay Smith (10:23):
Wow. So I didn’t really grow up going to church. You know, my mother took us to church at the age of four. And then for about 12 years, I had nothing to do with God until I got into a bad situation. And when you get into bad situations, that’s when people often call on God. And this was exactly the case with me. When I was 15, I was I was at knife point and I was threatened for my phone. And I gave them my phone. And I got hit around the head with a golf club as well. And I told the police. Now, when you tell the police about these things, they say that it will come back around to bite you. So I had people that were after me. I had my front window smashed. I was just living in constant fear.

Jay Smith (11:02):
So that’s when I started to go to church. But although I was going to church, I wasn’t a Christian. A lot of people, they go to church. And I think because I go to church, I’m a Christian. But then we found out my brother was demon possessed. This happened when he heard the preaching of the gospel. And a lot of people say, you know, like open-air preaching, doesn’t work, but the gospel works. It works. And that’s when we found out he was demon possessed, his eyes turned black, the steam, and started to take control over his body. And my mother didn’t know what to do. They were living in Cornwall in the UK at the time. And my mom took him to a local priest. And then the demon spoke through the, my brother to the priest and the priest didn’t know what to do.

Jay Smith (11:39):
But thankfully we have an auntie who’s a strong follower of Jesus. And my mom told my auntie, we arranged for my brother to go to this church in Birmingham, where I’m from in the UK. And I saw my brother get completely set by the power of Jesus Christ. I mean, even before I saw, I didn’t believe that this stuff was real, but I witnessed this with my own eyes. And I saw him impacted by the power of Jesus. And I then had an opportunity to give my life to Christ. Now I knew that I knew that I knew that I needed Jesus in my life, completely surrendered, you know, without a shadow of a doubt. So I decided to surrender my life to Jesus. And I had this powerful experience that changed my life. It literally turned me the other way. So as I received Christ, I began to thought elect something like electricity flow through my body.

Jay Smith (12:30):
And then I started to speak this language. I’d never learned. I remember asking myself in my head, what on earth is going on my hands? They did this funny thing. They stretched out to the side of my legs, kicked out straight. And I was like, what is going on? I never experienced this before. Then I tried to say, Jesus. And I couldn’t even say, Jesus, let alone, Jesus is Lord because the Bible says, no one can say Jesus is Lord, except by the holy spirit. And this was exactly the case with me then whatever was in me, came out and I felt completely brand new. I felt clean. I felt wash my life was never the same ever again. And even, you know, just a few weeks after I was out preaching the gospel on the streets. I didn’t know what an evangelist was. I didn’t know what they did. I never heard that word before, but one thing I knew Jesus had changed my life and I couldn’t keep it a secret. So I just started to talk everybody about what happened to me and what Jesus could do for them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:26):
That’s so beautiful. Ms. Rachel, you come from a Baptist background and you found Christ for all nations by just Googling evangelism in Orlando and they popped up. And so you got hooked. What has it been like for you as a Baptist to be exposed to Pentecostals of believe in the baptism of the holy spirit who believe in miracles, who believe in healings? What has that been like for you?

Rachel Smith (13:56):
Wow, well growing up as a Baptist, you know, we we really love the word of God and I feel like I had a very solid foundation of, of the Bible. But I had a lot of fear of, of things that were extra that, that I thought were extra. So I, my perspective on bachelors of the holy spirit was, you know, when you’re saved, you get filled with the holy spirit. And that said it’s a one and done experience. And then everything else was emotionalism. And just, just in the flesh, I really thought, you know, things like laughing in the spirit or, you know what else falling out in the spirit that those were all just people being extreme. But I had no idea that I was missing out on that. It wasn’t until last year when COVID hit.

Rachel Smith (14:44):
I was, I actually moved back to Orlando. The Lord had told me to move back to Orlando. I had been working in a Baptist church as a worship leader for about a year and a half and was just, I just didn’t, I didn’t feel like I was living in the fullness of my calling. I didn’t really know that I was called to be a full-time evangelist at that point. I just knew that I had that in my heart. So in Baptist, you know, we don’t really believe in evangelists, you know, as like a, you know, a role, we kind of have pastors and teachers and that’s it at least in my church, but so the Lord called me to move to Orlando and then COVID hit. And I saw the church that I was a part of re look like the world and just run in fear.

Rachel Smith (15:24):
And it just didn’t sit well with me. I just didn’t understand how we could believe that God was sovereign and, you know, he was our healer and our deliver, and I realized, okay, the gifts of the spirit, you know, what, what is this? And so I started asking God, you know, Lord, I know that there’s more to you. And I just feel like in my spirit, I know I’m missing out on something. So my prayer was just show me more. He led me to Google, like you said, evangelism ministry in Orlando. Cause I just wanted to start sharing the gospel and bringing hope to people who were just in fear, hiding in their houses. It just the so sad to me, you know that Jesus came to give us abundant life. And so I found Christ for all nations through a series of different encounters, actually have a family friend that works in the ministry.

Rachel Smith (16:10):
He agreed to give me a tour of the headquarters. And when I walked in the building, I started seeing the pictures of the crusades on the walls. And I remembered that when I was young, I had a dream of me standing on a platform and preaching to a crowd. And when I was little, I thought that was just me, you know, making it up. But I realized now I feel like the Lord showed me back then that I would be doing crusade ministry. So I got accepted into the bootcamp and the, the few months before the bootcamp started, I had a lot of questions for God. I had a lot of fear a lot of honestly unbelief that the Lord could still do. Miracles did still do miracles because I was raised in a cessationist church. But I got the opportunity to go to a crusade by a man named Chris Michaelson.

Rachel Smith (17:00):
And he did something locally in Orlando. I just decided to volunteer. And it was the first time that I saw people who were not, they didn’t grow up in church. This was done in an area, very bad area in Orlando called pine Hills. And so the people who came to this crusade, they came because they were giving away some free things. So they had no reason to lie. They had no reason to pretend that they’d really been touched by God. You know, the things that I’d seen in church that I thought were just made up. And so I saw these people hardened, honestly, gangsters, people that were just they just looked scary. You know, they got touched by Jesus in this crusade. They were crying. I saw so many people get healed and touched and it opened up my eyes to see, no, this is real and really encouraged me.

Rachel Smith (17:43):
And so when I got into the bootcamp, I just came to the Lord and just said, Lord, I want all of you. And I’m laying down all of my fear and all of my unbelief. And you just show me, what’s real and what’s not. And I’ll trust you. And I’m telling you, I’ve experienced laughing in the spirit. I’ve experienced, falling out all these things that I had so many criticisms about in my heart, the Lord just slowly sh let me experience them. And I feel like I got a taste sort of like a buffet of all the gifts. And so I just I’ve really come, I think, to a really healthy place where and C fan C fan did an amazing job, you know, evangelist Daniel Kolenda was one of our instructors, which is such a privilege to sit under him because he’s not only an evangelist powerful preacher, but he’s also an amazing teacher of the word of God.

Rachel Smith (18:30):
And so all of the things I had questions about, like the baptism of the holy spirit he did a two day class on that, of where it comes from in the Bible and, and for me being a Baptist and it was just so good for me to, to know, okay, this is not just something that someone made up that everyone is just, you know, kind of talking about. It feels good. No, this is actually something that they believed in the church of acts. And this is something that they preached, and this is something that actually happened to them. And so I’ve just come to understand experiences are not bad. You know, the Lord wants to encounter us both by speaking to us in the word and also other things. And so I just feel totally brand new in my relationship with God. I’m just so excited in my place with him. And I’ve just seen things that I can’t explain, you know, even in the crusade, watching people get touched by the Lord to get healed delivered, and it’s just completely changed my life. So I’m very thankful for the place I’m at and I’m excited to continue to grow and see things and experience the Lord in a new, in a deeper way.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:30):
So now you are one of the crazy people your church used to warn you about. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:38):
Over the last six months, so much has been poured into you and God has been preparing you and getting you ready for doing amazing things in the future. And so, Jay, what is the vision that God has given you for your life? What, what area of evangelism do you see yourself involved in?

Jay Smith (20:01):
So I definitely see myself doing crusades. I really have a heart for the, for the UK. You know, like we’ve got a history of sending missionaries around the world and now a lot of the people in our country proclaimed to be atheist. It’s not atheist and agnostic. And we have people of different religions from a height is really to see gospel crusades in the UK. I don’t think we’ve had crusades crusade, Billy Graham cane. You’re not on a large scale, so I really believe it’s time for that to change. So that’s what I’m believing for. I’d also like to go into creative methods of evangelism in terms of like gospel tracks, you know, in the UK anyway, our tracks are not so good. But God has given me some ideas on, on tracks and how to creatively spread the gospel. I already have one already that’s created and you know, in distribution. So just, you know, continuing to run with that out, I’ve got other ideas. So that’s a plan also continuing to work hand in hand, we see fun. This is an incredible ministry, incredible harvesting machine. And, you know, they’ve got the vision of the decade of double harvest and as much as is possible, and God will, I want to stay connected. We see fun and working with them for the future in the kingdom of God. So that that’s for me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:13):
That’s awesome. Rachel, what vision has God given you for the future?

Rachel Smith (21:18):
So I mentioned earlier that before I was a preacher of the gospel, I was a worship leader and I really feel strongly that music is an avenue for the Western world to receive Jesus and, you know, people in America, they’ve, they’ve become really hard into the gospel in so many areas, but music has a way of speaking to their hearts. And so the Lord before I came to Tanzania, really gave me a vision for revival in America and also to see the lost get saved. And that was just doing crusades in a, in a different way than we do in Africa, where, you know, we draw people by calling it you know, come and receive your miracle and those things and people in Africa, they respond to that because that’s something that they really need, but in America I think the Lord is wanting to do a new thing and we’ve seen groups like what Sean Foyt did, you know, with the lettuce worship movement that really spoke to my heart.

Rachel Smith (22:08):
And so I I want to work on creating a format for a crusade involving worship music involving gospel messages through the method of, of, of music and just drawing in a different crowd. I also just, I burned for revival, you know, and so I just really want to travel around and break open spaces and preach the gospel and see see the church revived. You know, there’s a lot of apathy, especially in, in the area of evangelism in the Baptist church. And so coming from a Baptist background, my heart is just for the Baptist to get filled with the holy spirit, to really walk in the fullness of the gifts and to see them live out the abundant life of Jesus Christ and just all of the fear, just go and just be United as a church. So what we’ve worked so hard on with the capitalists to unify the body of Christ for the sake of the gospel, that’s what I want to see happen in America and beyond. So, and like Jay said, you know, C fan, I want to stay involved with them. I want to partner with them. The Lord has just spoken to me, just partner right now. Just get more experienced and learn and grow, but I want to assist them as well because the decade of double harvest that is the future, we’re going to see nations taken for Jesus Christ. And I want to be on the front lines with them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:26):
What is the, the one memory, the biggest memory that you’ll take home with you from Tanzania?

Jay Smith (23:34):
Wow. What a question? My goodness, I would say counting the decision cards at the end to, to not just have, you know, an estimate of numbers from people that have raised their hands, but we got the evidence in front of us signed decision because of people that made a decision for Jesus. These are people who are now saved. They’re going to be walking with Jesus and we’ll see them in heaven. For me, this is the most exciting thing. It’s the greatest miracle for salvation. So for me, you know, we counted a lot of cards. We we had a machine to help us put, to see those costs being counted so that they could also be integrated into a local church. Rachel,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:10):
What’s the big memory that you’ll take home with you from Tanzania?

Rachel Smith (24:16):
Wow. There’s so many memories. I think one that stands out is when we had our field dedication day, you know, we had worked for six weeks into capitalists, just really promoting the crusade. We needed the church to be unified. And, you know, we came to that day where we weren’t sure how many people would show up. But when we got to the field, there were at least 4,000 people from all over the church in Iringa who came and said, I will volunteer. I will be a part of this crusade. And it was just amazing to see that the Lord answered our prayer. You know, he gathered an army of people to usher in the harvest. And so I just thought it was amazing to see the church stand together. That was really powerful. And then yeah, counting the decision cards, you know, seeing the thousands of cards every night and just in awe of what the Lord had done on the field right in front of our eyes. So I’ll never forget that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:10):
That’s awesome. Well, thank you so much for all of your work in Iringa. Thank you for your dedication to serving the Lord and thank you for being a guest on the evangelism podcast. Thank you so much. God bless you for having us. We love you, Daniel. Yes. God bless you guys. Thanks for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find the show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

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Daniel Smenes | Jesus to All Nations

Daniel Smenes is from Norway and his wife is from Germany. They are two of the amazing European evangelists that God is raising up. Today he talks about what God did during a Christ for All Nations crusade in Morogoro, Tanzania.

About Daniel Smenes: Jesus to all Nations was founded by Daniel Smenes in 2018. Since his conversion in 2004 he has been involved in evangelistic missions work in 40 nations. The Lord has stirred Daniel´s heart with a burning passion to reach the lost. He has a passion to reach unchurched and unreached people groups with the Gospel. He started out his ministry journey with Jesus Revolution and Go Out Mission. He also served as an elder in Nordvestkirka in Norway, for five years. Together with his wife Katrin they are currently serving local churches, teaching at Bible schools, hold seminars, conferences and gospel campaigns internationally.

Website: https://jtans.com/

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Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:01):
Daniel Smenes is from Norway and his wife is from Germany. They are two of the amazing European evangelists that God is raising up. Today he talks about what God did during a Christ for All Nations crusade in Morogoro, Tanzania.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:18):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelists Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:55):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I am excited about telling people about Jesus. And today I am with Another great evangelist named Daniel Smenes from, from Norway. Did I say that right? All you are close. Can you say it

Daniel Smenes (01:12):
To proper? Yeah. Daniel [inaudible]

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:14):
Wonderful. And so you are from Norway and your wife is from Germany. And we have originally met at a ACE conference, which is the association of crusade. Evangelists led by Jonas Anderson and originally started by Richard gunning and they have raised up many Scandinavian evangelists and also from great Britain and other parts of Europe. And so we originally met at that conference, right? And then now we have met again at the Christ for all nations evangelism bootcamp, which you have just finished. And right now we are in Tanzania and tell us some of what God has done while you’ve been here in Tanzania with Christ For all Nations.

Daniel Smenes (02:07):
We have been, you know, trained for, for three months plus, and then the became down here. And then first of all, we had our initiation, like three weeks where we were trained very practically in preaching the gospel. So we have been into streets into squares and just, yeah, learning how to preach a gospel message that really works. And it’s been amazing to see in every place we are communal people have to come to Jesus that turned to Christ and people getting healed. We have seen people, you know there at the street, in even the Messiah market, getting their, their hearing back their sight back, people have been paralyzed starting to walk. I mean, the gospel works. So those are some of the takeaways that we have really seen throughout the bootcamp as well, that we have been boiling it down to the very basic elements and learning really to stick to that because the gospel in itself that simple gospel really, really, really works. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:02):
Christ for all nations is doing operation to capitalists doing multiple crusades and multiple cities at the same time. Which city were you in?

Daniel Smenes (03:11):
Yeah, so we went to Morogoro, a city about just about 300,000 people. And yeah, there was a lot of things that needed to be done in the city. Also when it comes to the unity of the different churches, I mean, as Christ for our nation works, they work with multiple denominations. They are not specifically towards the Pentecostal or the Mennonites or the Baptist. So gathering them has been one of the most beautiful things that I’ve seen that Christ formation is bringing to the church. As we came into motto, GoTo the unity across the Don, the nominations and the love that has been forged out of that also in the aftermath while working together to put up a successful gospel crusade.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:52):
And so how was the crusade in Morogoro? What did you see there?

Daniel Smenes (03:56):
Yeah, so we had a five day crusade planning up to the crusade was around altogether three months. And I joined in for the last five weeks. It was really, really amazing to see just how many parts and nuts and bolts need to be in place to really see it come to pass. And so we had a a beautiful field there with the mountains surrounding us and also when all the promotion and all the work has been done, you know, the multitude started to stream into this field. And they, you know, the gospel was preached and God was starting to move in a very significant way. We saw, I think, around the 11,000 people during those five days, turning to Christ and mighty miracles taking place as well. People coming in old couldn’t walk, they started to walk people who came deaf, starting to hear. And it was just beautiful. So let’s go to

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:53):
The beginning of your story. How did you first become passionate about evangelism? Yeah,

Daniel Smenes (05:00):
I, for me, it really, really landed in my heart as a 17 year old when I received Jesus. Just, you know, my eyes, when I, when I met Jesus, I didn’t really know that this is a relationship that Jesus is really a person that you can get to know. And from that moment, I had a burning desire to tell others about Jesus. You know, I was, you know, growing up with religion in a sense. And so that discovery just placed the passion and the burning desire in me, for my classmates to meet Jesus. I started to go out in the streets with one of the local churches every week, you know, in the night we would have outreach to reach a city in Norway called Bergen. And from there it’s just been an evolving and evolving year after year. And God started to speak very early to me about the nations, even though I didn’t really understand how that wouldn’t fall, it was just placed inside of me and going through different Bible and training.

Daniel Smenes (05:58):
I was led into a ministry called Jesus revolution, which is based in in Norway, in Oslo, but it’s very international who focus mostly on the young people in the youth, in Europe. So that was one of my first stepping stones into really traveling around to the different nations we had. Yeah, we reached out through different means, but it was mainly through music and through dramas and doing different things as a, like a tool in the hand of the local church to reach out to their community. So we traveled around there and preaching also like a gospel message, praying for the sick and basically doing the work of an evangelist over a four year period when I was there in, in Jesus, a revolution. And also their God started to speak to me about other countries outside of Europe. I never, even as I grew up, I never traveled a lot.

Daniel Smenes (06:47):
You know, I always had this heart that I want to travel. And I think the Lord also has put that in me since that time. And since then I’ve seen, you know, like how the Lord has been opening doors, you know, to, to India and Mongolia and Vietnam and different parts of Africa, Kenya, and Ethiopia and west African countries as well. And so we founded a ministry after, you know, I came back from Jesus’ revolution, came back to my local church. I was at a Christian at that time. But I started, you know, to help there, to build up the youth work in that church at the same time, starting to travel and to do crusade ministry towards Asia, especially, and some places also in, in Africa. And then I joined, as you mentioned earlier, join us Anderson and go out mission in Sweden. So I was there together with that beautiful family for about four, four and a half years until we eventually started our own ministry that is called Jesus to all nations in 2018. So that’s shortly some part of our journey. Yeah. So let’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:49):
Talk about the future. You’ve started this ministry, Jesus to all nations, which I say amen to that. Jesus needs to go to every nation and we must take him. So what do you see God doing through the ministry in the future? What, what dreams has got? Yeah.

Daniel Smenes (08:07):
So what I really sense, you know, when COVID really hits, you know into, in, into 2020, I really felt that this decade is going to be very significant. And so, and then COVID hit, we had to pack out, we were supposed to have a crusade in Burkina Faso, but we had to shut that down due to both a terrorist attack, but also COVID hit really strong. So we had to actually get out of the country really fast and coming home, I was sitting in my lean chair and I was just contemplating on what’s happening. And I felt several things, but two things that I really felt in my heart was a grief. How casually I’ve been taking the yeah, the, the privilege to preach the gospel to the nations, with the freedom that we have had up to that point. And then the second thing in my heart, it was like a resolution up, I think also just force and coming in the holy spirit that over the next decade, I want to see 10 million people coming into the kingdom of God.

Daniel Smenes (09:03):
So that is kind of what we are moving towards. And then the Lord led Catherine and I, Catherine is my wife to, to link up also with Christ for all nations through the bootcamp. And through that also we will do probably together with with Christ, for nations, we will do some initiatives through the Decapolis check that it’s ongoing. So that is one of the things. And also with the kids crusades, we will be linked together with Christ for all nations there somehow. And then of course, we will continue to do our own crusades and training evangelist for this time as well to really, to be able to see our mighty harvest coming, especially in now over the next decade. I believe it’s going to be when things are starting to open up, I think ministries that has been casual about being able to go out and really put in, you know, their full strength. And even during this season, I think that things that the dress has been taken off, so that you’re actually being sharp and to be able to do exactly what the Lord wants you to do for the next season. So I feel for us it’s we were going to give it all, especially now this decade up to 2030 for the 10 million for our sake. And so we, we, we need to mobilize and we need to go. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:15):
Amen. What are some of the big takeaways from the evangelism bootcamp? What have you learned there? Yeah.

Daniel Smenes (10:25):
Before the bootcamp, you know, like as an evangelist, you, at some points you can find yourself very lonely. I think the evangelist and also the prophetic ministry is kind of a loner ministry. And even in my own mind, because of maybe what pastors and leaders also have told, or like sometimes I felt that people, they look down a little bit at the evangelists but what I really felt, one of the biggest takeaways is just the the dignity and the honor it is to be called as an evangelist, you know, and what’s Christ, well, nations really have put inside of me is just the reverence and the respect for the office of the evangelist. They have really been showing how that is, you know, and also showing us what an evangelistic ministry really looks like and what it can be done.

Daniel Smenes (11:15):
So that has been one of the biggest takeaways for me personally, but also to, to see how you can actually reach the multitudes with the gospel to learn the ins and the outs. And it takes a lot, you know, to put up what Christ full nations are doing, what you yourself are doing, you know, and I’ve been doing some of it, but not in the scale that you guys have been at this point, but just to be on the other end of it, to learn from the ground you know, when it comes to training the volunteers, meeting with pastors and bishops, you know, and seeing, you know, how everything comes up from the ground where are you going to have a crusade that has been the takeaway from me, and also just altering everything when it comes to how we can do this in the future, what to look for when things are not going well, and be able even to navigate that and to put on these crusades ourselves for the coming season,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:07):
You’ve been to Quite a few different nations, like you mentioned Vietnam and, and west Africa. What are some of the areas that you would most like to be involved in and what are some of the things that you’ve seen God do in some of these different places? Mm. So God

Daniel Smenes (12:26):
Called me really to specifically the, the least fortunate, the least reach places when I was at attended a crusade in India in 2012. And so India is very much on my heart due to, you know, we have around 17,700 people groups now on the planet and 2,700 of those are located in India alone. And at least this is what Joshua project’s numbers are saying, you know, around 2,300 of those people who are still counted unreached meaning there’s less than 2% Christians, you know, evangelical Christians within each of those people groups though. So I feel I have a very strong pull towards those places where no one else go to. I don’t like when we are holding like the 50th crusade in the same city, even though we, I believe in preaching the gospel, I really want to go to those places where they haven’t even heard the gospel once.

Daniel Smenes (13:24):
But also to see, you know, cause the people, groups they are growing and we need to be able to see a massive harvest within the people groups because they are outnumbering the workload and the labor force that we are doing. And that’s partly why we also been connected with Christ for all nations. So, but yeah. So in India, for example, you know, we have been reaching out up to the foot of Himalaya place called us some, been there multiple times, and it’s just been really beautiful to see, you know, coming with the gospel into a place where you have both radical Islam and you have also a very strong seat of radical Hinduism there. And then you have also the tribal clashes going on between the different tribes. And I feel the darker, it gets, the more God loves just to both show up and to come in and to really free up and liberate a whole community.

Daniel Smenes (14:20):
What I love especially about India is they are taught, you know, to sacrifice to their gods, which in their brain or in their minds also are demonic entities. And when you come in there and you preach the gospel, you preach Jesus as the final sacrifice is very mind blowing to them to see. And when you preach that kind of a message, you just see that the penny is dropping in their hearts and also just saying to them, Hey Jesus, he also gives you the power over these demonic powers. When you receive, he gives you the authority and the power. You don’t have to be afraid. You don’t have to sacrifice to a peace them and all these things because they live under a tremendous pressure and fear. So that the gospel is really a really matchless. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:05):
So you’re from Norway. Your wife is from Germany. And so you are in Europe and Europe has a wonderful Christian heritage. There have been many wonderful Christians in Europe, but now Europe is often called a post-Christian area where it used to be a Christian, but now there is not so much interest in Jesus. What do you think it will take to evangelize Europe once again? Yeah,

Daniel Smenes (15:36):
That’s a very good question. And I have the privilege of traveling most of the countries in Europe and preach the gospel and what I’ve found. And I think this is like a common thing when it comes to preaching the gospel at any place or to any culture, we need to come more than with just words. We need to have the power we need to bring, you know, as the Bible says, Heinz wonders, miracles shall follow us as we preach the word and me, I can speak for myself in before I was a Christian. I, I could not stand just empty words or just the motions or the religious acts or going to a church. And there is nothing in it. And I see that Europe is, it’s a, it’s a continent that is longing for the real Jesus, but he is seldomly presented the way that he really is.

Daniel Smenes (16:22):
And also that he is a living, being that Reese really interested in them. So they need that aspect, but they also need to see that he actually is a God who is interested in all aspects of their lives and also where they can really experience him. So I think for this, for me and for us as evangelists, to bring to people an experience of who Jesus is, is very important alongside with the preaching of the word and sharing the gospel. Some of course there are apologetic side to it, but that only works to a certain extent. There needs to be a real, tangible evidence to the person, The presence of Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:57):
Let’s talk, talk about Your family. Your wife is going to have a baby very soon. Congratulations. you’re at about seven months. And so now you will be a father for the first time, and I’m a big believer that God does not just call individuals. He calls families. And so the calling that is upon your life is also upon your whole family. And in God, God’s a generational God, he will bless your child just as he’s, he’s blessed you. So what do you think will change as you start to have children and continue to be in ministry? What, what, what are you thinking about?

Daniel Smenes (17:39):
Oh, I’m thinking to ask you that question. Well w let me say like this, this is our first child, so I don’t really know exactly what to expect in every, and I think also every family is different. Every dynamic of family is different. So you kind of, you have to like in everything with a calling, you, you walk out your calling in relationship with God. And they also know when I’ve been married with my wife, we are kind of figuring out that walk with the Lord and now with the child, that will be an extension to that to find out how we’re going to do it. But I think that we have, we have spoken together and we have decided that our lives, they are not to be revolving. Cause I see that in many people’s lives when they have a child, the life revolves around the child or the children, which is understandable to a certain extent, but we just have decided that we want to take our child and bring that child into our life and give them, you know, give this child will be having now in August the upbringing and the childhood that he should have, but we want to bring the child along.

Daniel Smenes (18:41):
So already next year, we are planning already to bring the child with us onto the missions field. We don’t think that having children is a, it’s a burden to us, even though there is demands with having children. For sure. So, but I, I really believe that the grace of God will be extended to, as you said, God is into families. He’s a, he’s a God of family here. He loves family here. That’s what he made us for. And so I think we will, we will see in some months how it will turn out, but we decided that we don’t want to kind of just settle down and and stop up everything. Even mate, maybe things will go a little bit slower. Maybe. I don’t know, we will see, but definitely we want to bring the child into what we are doing. And we will see how the Lord will lead us in that. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:26):
So my parents were missionaries in the country of Mexico. We moved there when I was 10 years old and I just grew up ministering right alongside them, which it was normal in our family to be part of the ministry. And that’s really wonderful because it gave me lots of experience ministering. And at first I was just helping to set up the chairs and set up the sound system. And, but then later my father would ask me to share a testimony for five minutes or to prepare a little message. And I would share that. And so before I was like 15 or 16, I already loved to preach the gospel and God put that in my heart. And so I think that’s just wonderful to include your children in what you do. And, and of course now I have two children. My son, Caleb is 11.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:15):
My daughter, Katie is nine and they’re in school most of the year, but we try to take them on at least one big missions trip a year so that they can participate. And I was praying for God to give me a camera man in my ministry. And so on the last trip, my son Caleb took the camera and he took it very seriously. He took lots of good pictures and my daughter was helping to lead worship and the women’s conference and everything. And so I think it’s just really wonderful. And, and as they grew up, we, we know that God’s calling as upon their life and they will, will serve God. And, and there’s no reason for children to just stay at home. Why not ask them to be a part of what God is doing? God, God has a great plan for the children. So you’re the name of your ministry? Is, is Jesus for all nations. Do you have a website if people would like to know more about

Daniel Smenes (21:09):
You? Yeah, it’s a www and it’s https://jtans.com/. You can go there. You’ll also find us on Instagram and Facebook and as well

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:20):
Wonderful. Well, thank you so much for being a guest on the evangelism Podcast.

Daniel Smenes (21:26):
Thank you for having me. It’s a pleasure for me. Thanks.

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Gary Smith | Know Your Identity

Gary Smith left his job as a ship superintendent at a ship yard in order to become an evangelist. Today he talks about what God did at a Christ for All Nations crusade in Mbeya, Tanzania and about a new platform truck he recently built in order to preach the Gospel in the United States.

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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Gary Smith left his job as a ship superintendent at a shipyard in order to become an evangelist today, he talks about what God did at a Christ for all nations crusade in Mbeya, Tanzania, and about a new platform truck. He recently built in order to preach the gospel in the United States.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:21):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:57):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about leading people to Jesus. And today I am in Tanzania, I’ve just finished participating in operation Decapolis, which is an effort by Christ for all nations to do multiple crusades at the same time. And so I was in the city of Iringa and there were actually five crusades that were, were being done all the same time in today. I have with me, one of the evangelists who was a guest in one of the other Decapolis cities, Gary Smith. Thank you for being on the evangelism podcast

Gary Smith (01:39):
Yesterday. Thank you. I appreciate it. It’s an honor to be here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:42):
So tell me what city Were you in in? What did you see God doing that city? Yeah,

Gary Smith (01:46):
So I was in the city of, in Mbeya, Tanzania, and man, we saw the Lord just do great things. I’m the, one of the very first testimonies on the first night was a gentleman that had been deaf for seven years in both ears. And he came up there to testify that the Lord opened his ears and he just couldn’t believe it. And, you know, we saw a tumor’s coming out of people but the most beautiful miracle where just the thousands of salvation of people giving their lives to Jesus, it was absolutely incredible time. And so

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:19):
What is the biggest memory that you’ll take back with you from Tanzania?

Gary Smith (02:25):
Wow. The way that I could best describe the best memory would be just to see all the, of the faces with the tears, just running down their face. To me that just impacts my heart to see the tears of people when they experienced the love of Christ whether they’re believing for a miracle, whether they received a miracle or maybe they would just had received the salvation, but to see the tears fall down, their faces is probably something that impacts me the most.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:56):
And you

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:57):
Have a heart for, we’re both here at the invitation of Christ for all nations evangelist, Daniel Kolenda. And you had a little bit of a miraculous way that God connected you with Christ for all nations. How did that happen?

Gary Smith (03:13):
Yeah, it’s, you know, they they often ask me like, how did you get connected with CFAN? And to this day, I just think is like, it’s just a miracle. And really it was I had a friend of mine that just encouraged me. He was going on the first trip to Nigeria with Paul Mauer. And and in the meantime he was just raising funds. And so I just felt led to help him get there financially. And then on his way back, you then had taken an internship with crossroad of nations. I went and had lunch with him one day and he was encouraging me to try to come to the school evangelism just, wasn’t a good timing for, for me. And so it’s just burning on my heart for oh mercy. I’d say a couple months.

Gary Smith (03:57):
And then he’s like, well, just write crossroads and nations a email, tell them who you are, what you’ve done and what you, what you would like to do. And I was like, no, I don’t want to be that person, you know to send just a random email of some, some guy that they’d never met. And so this went on for about another two and a half weeks. And like everyday it was just on me. And I was like, no, I don’t want to do the email. And so finally, one day I just said, kind of had a bad attitude about it. I was like, all right, Lord, if you want me to send this email, I’ll do it. And so I got onto the computer, typed up an email, just explaining who I was what I’ve done and you know, my interest of doing the trucks.

Gary Smith (04:40):
And about two weeks later, I was out on a church property. We had just bought some church land because we’re in a process of building a church and I was on a piece of equipment and I had a missed call and I stopped around lunchtime and I noticed that I had a voicemail and a miss call. So I checked it. And immediately when I press play on the voicemail, I was covered with the presence of God. Like the top of my hair was standing up all the way down to my toes. It was incredible. And immediately said, Hey Gary, this is Chris Garcia Daniel Kolenda’s you know, sec assistant. And I was like, no way, this is not true. You know, so I listened to the rest of the voicemail and right after that, I went ahead and just called Chris Garcia back and he’s like, Hey, Gary, you know, we got your email. You know, we, we loved everything about it. We love to get to know you. We just had an opening for the port port Harcourt, Nigeria trip, would you like to come? And I said, I would be honored to come. So I went home that night, applied for my visa, bought my plane ticket. And less than two weeks later, I was in port Harcourt, Nigeria for the first truck outreaches with the gospel trailers.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:54):
And so tell me some of what happened during that outreach in port Harcourt and how it impacted your life.

Gary Smith (06:01):
Yeah. So during, during that time, when we were in port HeartCore, I was there with Paul Mauer and Paul Mauer was the one that was kind of doing the grading gear taking us. And so I never been to Africa. That was my first time in Africa. And what an experience going to Nigeria. And I remember the first time driving to the first outreach we were being escorted by the police. And we were in the opposite lane going against traffic head-on traffic. And I’m thinking, man, I just want to just make it there. You know? And so when we got there just preach and that first time I was pretty nervous. But the moment that I began to just speak and start talking about Jesus, there’s this a calming that came over me and that night was just something that sparked something inside of me.

Gary Smith (06:55):
Like, man, this is what I really, I believe that I was born for. I had, I’ve always felt like an evangelistic calling. I didn’t know how I was going to get there, what it was going to look like, but I just knew, like, there’s something that I’m supposed to do. And I was never the one to want to be public speaking or, or anything like that. And to be honest with you, I had heard about a lot of like insecurities and that’s then one of the main reasons why I’m the website is called, know your identities. Cause it’s like something that I battled you know, feeling like I wasn’t the smart enough one. I wasn’t raised in church. I didn’t go to Bible college and I had all these reasons, but my father-in-law is a, he’s a pastor and he’s a wonderful man of God.

Gary Smith (07:41):
And he always would say this. He said, you know, Gary, the Bible says that they’ll use the foolish to confound the wise and that, and in that context, it kind of gave me some hope, you know? And the moment that I really understood who I was in Christ, my Romans eight, 14, and eight 15, it really about that son ship is when I really began to like, you know what, maybe I’m not the most qualified. Maybe I don’t have the most elegant speeching the speech, but you know what, like, I love Jesus and I know what he’s done for me. And it’s just, it’s like, it burns inside of me. And so from that moment in port Harcourt really had sparked something. And now I have been a guest with, for all nations for right here going on three and a half years or so. And it’s just beginning, you know, as, as we’ve been a part of this decade of double harvest every six months, it’s just getting, it’s growing exponential. And it’s just an honor to be here in Tanzania with crossroad nations. It’s an honor to serve with yourself, you know amazing ministry that you have amazing calling. And sometimes I have to like ask myself like, wow, how did I get here? What am I doing here? But it’s amazing. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:54):
It amazing what God is doing. I think God is looking for people who are willing and when he finds people that are willing to do whatever it takes, God gives very quick promotion. And that’s what you’ve seen in your life. And I think is just starting. God has a lot more in store for you in the, in the future. And one of the things that you’re, you’re working on, which I really love is building a trailer that has the side that falls down and becomes a platform that can be used to preach the gospel in America. You know, we come here to Africa, thousands of people get saved, but the United States needs revival just as much as Africa. In fact, some places in the United States probably have a lower percentage of Christians than here in Tanzania. And so if we’re going to reach America, we we’ve got to go look for strategies that can reach people. And so God put it on your heart to, to build this trailer. Kind of tell me how that vision came to be. And, and then tell me how you’ve built the trailer, how it’s all come together. Because I know we have a lot of listeners that want to do different things and, and you know, maybe someone would be in spot inspired to build their own trailer.

Gary Smith (10:13):
Yeah, it’s, it’s it’s something that came to me in 2016. We are on our way back from a meeting in Florida. I believe it was one of the Jesus images meetings there and in 2016 and were coming through mobile, Alabama coming through the tunnel. And I remember my wife and daughter were sleeping and I was driving. It was kinda late in the night. And immediately when I came up out of the tunnel or their automobile I instantly heard the Lord say cities for Jesus. And I was like, all right, Lord, like, what does that mean? And I just saw us going from city to city, and this is something that has been burning in my heart for a long time of America, of just going from different cities. And I didn’t really understand how it was all coming, but like you had said the moment we say yes, you know, the Lord begins to just to say, okay, here’s the next step?

Gary Smith (11:07):
Here’s the next step? And it just continues to unfold. And so in that moment I didn’t have all the details. I just knew what he had shared with me. And I was like, all right, Lord, how do I get there? And progressively, he gave me more and more. And so I met up with a friend of mine. He had kind of the same vision of going from city to city and we began to brainstorm and the things that we have done with Crossrail nations with the gospel trucks, I said, man, this is what we need. We need something like this in America. And so I kind of took that concept and I didn’t actually have a motorized container. So we just built a trailer from the ground up it’s 30 foot. And so in, when we came into [inaudible] just last year, I w we just had a flat trailer, it’s all we had.

Gary Smith (11:56):
And I said, okay, well, let’s take a step of faith. And so I ordered the steel. I asked my buddy, I said, let’s order the steel. We ordered a steel. And it was about $5,000 to get all the material. And I didn’t, I didn’t really have the money, but I said, we’re going to take this step ordered this steel within 24 hours. This is incredible. I literally was like, I could not believe it, 24 hours, less than 24 hours later, I received a check for $5,000 to cover the amount of this steel. So then I came to Africa with Crossrail nations. We did the bootcamp initiation in our Russia. A friend of mine had had it all framed up. And so now we’ve got it all together. It’s a, it’s a fully mobilized. We have everything that we need. We has a generator sound equipment.

Gary Smith (12:43):
And so we just take this thing from city to city and what our heart is, is to get local pastors to come together in unity and, and host these events to where we can do them outdoors in a non church setting. We were just in new port Richey area and also St. Petersburg area, Florida. And we did nine straight days. And it was absolutely incredible. We were out outside the church on where the public park was. And so we had just random people. And also on this last trip, it was beautiful is we actually sent a team of nine people a week in front of us to evangelize. And some of these were my friends and some of ’em came from the ramp ministry. And so we, we put them up in a hotel and we gave him a little bit of money for food and for the day. And they just went out every day, evangelizing build the expectation, kind of like what we’re doing here with the initiation and prior to the crusades. And so here just in a couple of weeks, we’ll be in Ohio. We’re going up there July 9th through the 18th and everyday we’ll be doing a meeting outdoors. And so prayerfully in Jesus’ name, we’re going to be full time hitting the streets in America and just seeing a revival, miracle signs, wonders, salvation. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:11):
What do you

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:13):
See God doing in the future? What’s the vision that, what, what do you want to see happen in your life in ministry? Yeah,

Gary Smith (14:22):
The biggest thing that I want to see in, in my life and for the ministry for that matter is to really see America, you know, especially where we live. I live in Mississippi and it’s, you know, the Bible belt, everyone talks about Jesus, but very seldom are people really sold out. They, they, they know about Jesus. They can quote some scriptures, they know how to be churchy, but they’re not, their are not what it means to be a Christian. And my heart is, is that people would encounter the love of Jesus. No, I will not be not raised in church. I met my wife, we got married in 2005 and she was a pastor’s daughter. And if it wasn’t for her, I don’t know where I’d be. You know? I was, I was in military. I’m still in reserves now, but military and I was headed to go to special warfare.

Gary Smith (15:16):
And so I would have just been a knucklehead, probably had I not met my wife, but she really brought me to the Lord. And my heart is that people really encountered Jesus because when we truly encounter him, our lives will never be the same. Our desires will change. And that’s, that’s really, my heart is that even, even people in the church, you know, even you been in this a lot longer than I have, but you can probably understand that, you know, the various scripture says on that day, many will say, Lord, Lord, I did all these great things, you know? And he says, depart from me. I don’t know you. And that, that breaks my heart because there’s a minister that I know that was like, you know what? That was me. That was me. The Lord spoke to me and said, you better get it right.

Gary Smith (16:07):
And how many people are like that? You know? And I don’t want it to be on my heart. Like Gary, you knew about Jesus. You really encountered him. You didn’t tell me. So wherever I go, I want to truly share the love of Jesus to be that example, say, you know what, if your life is not totally surrender and you got to have a totally surrender to Jesus, because that’s at the end of the day, that’s the only thing that matters. And that’s really my heart. That’s my heart for, for the ministry, heart for America and for the nations, you know, not just America, but Mexico, Africa, wherever, you know I really love Isaiah. He says, who will go here? I am send me. And that’s always been my heart. And just kind of been taken one day at a time. And it’s beautiful to see what the Lord has done in such a short period of time. Okay. I want

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:56):
You to imagine that you are out on your, your truck. The platform is down. You’ve had some music to attract people. And so you have a little group of people that have gathered around maybe about 20 or 30 people in a park that have gathered around, and you’ve got five minutes to share the gospel with them. And so I want you to give me a five minute presentation of how you would share the gospel with those people.

Gary Smith (17:27):
Yeah. The quick would be is just to say the reality of second second Corinthians six two, that now is a day of salvation that none of us are promised our next breath. We’re not promised our next heartbeat. Our days are very numbered. And the reality of it is, is that you and I, we could die this very moment. And if you don’t have a relationship with Christ, where would you spend eternity and have, have that in that moment to share with them, you know kind of like what we, what we preach a lot is, you know, there’s three specific days on God’s calendar a day for us to be born a time for us to die. And the most important one is a day of salvation and we’re all breathing right now because we’re, we’re in the natural we’re breathing. We have life.

Gary Smith (18:13):
The very reality is that you could die in the next five minutes. You could die when you leave this park. And, but the beautiful thing about it is, is today Jesus had paid a high price for you and for me, and says for whosoever calls upon the name of Lord shall be saved. And if you believe in the heart confess with your mouth, that Jesus Christ is Lord. Then you can be saved. You can spend eternity with him and, and so much more, there’s so much more to life than just living. We’re not living. If we don’t have a life surrender to Christ, we’re just kind of going through the motions. And so in those five moments, I would just explain the reality is that tomorrow’s not promised only right now is promised to us. And if you don’t know Jesus, then here’s the opportunity to meet Jesus, to encounter him.

Gary Smith (19:01):
The fact that Jesus came to the earth died a horrific death. You know, not only did he die, because if he, if he died and didn’t raise, then it would just be a crucifixion, but he died how that Louie died rose again. And that, and in that moment, we have salvation. We have freedom. We have everything through the shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ. And so that’s how I would try to present the gospel in those five minutes is, is that, that we were, were promised our birth we’re promised our death and the most important day is a day of salvation. And that could be today. That could be today. If you’re listening now and you don’t know Jesus, today is a good day to give your life to Jesus. Well, why do I want to give my life to Jesus? Well, because if we don’t give our lives to Jesus, totally completely to him, then you and I, we would be held accountable for every decision that we have ever made.

Gary Smith (19:54):
But the moment we asked Jesus into our heart, the Bible says that all things become new. He forgives us all of our sins, everything that we have done, and now we have been born again and we have a renewing of our mind. And now the next step is to get planted into a local church, get connected to evangelists. Daniel King is amazing. Man, get connected to you, get connected to people that can disciple you. Cause I love what I think evangelists bulky says that, you know with the ministry crossroad nation is that we don’t come here just to make disciples or we don’t come here just to make converts. We come to make disciples for Christ and that’s what it’s all about. The moment you give your life to Jesus, all things become new. Now you get connected. Now you begin to walk this life out of Christianity.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:40):
If someone wants to know

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:42):
More about your ministry or, or support you in doing crusades what’s your website, how can people find you?

Gary Smith (20:50):
Yeah. So our website is know your identity.org and we have a website there we’re also on Facebook. The ministry is called sun ship ministries, know your identity. And so yeah, you can reach out to those on the website or on Facebook. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:10):
So if you’re listening, encourage you to go and support the ministry of Gary Smith, a tremendous ministry you’ve also done crusades down in Chiapas, Mexico, which is tremendous. Tell me some about those crusades, what it took to organize them and what God did in Chiapas.

Gary Smith (21:30):
Yeah. Down in, in Chiapas, we had a local friend of ours is a, been a missionary down in there for oh mercy, over 20 years. And so I used to travel with an evangelist and he did bigger crusades and he passed away about five years ago. And so I reached out to the pastor and we were just talking about doing it and outdoor crusade. And so we began to do the, the logistics part of it. And that was the first crusade that actually did by myself. And we did it outdoors. We did a three, three night event out in a city park. It was beautiful. You know, we we seen about 2000 people there on the biggest night. I don’t remember the number of salvation and, but there were salvation. We had demons coming out of people.

Gary Smith (22:24):
In fact, this is this I’ve never experienced this before. Maybe you have really kinda caught me off guard. So after I had got done preaching, one night, I came off the back of the platform and there was a gentleman there and he called me, he called me by name and he said, Gary. And I said, yes, sir. And I turned around and he said, pray for me. And so the moment I stuck my hand out to start praying for him. He started boxing me. He started like throwing punches and I was like, what in the world is going on? Well, now I realize, you know, that it was a demonic spirit. And so, and I just remember every time that I would say the blood of Jesus or in the name of Jesus is saying got more violent. And it just began to get more and more.

Gary Smith (23:04):
And he never, he never hit me, but we were super close and I was just staring at him long story short. After a couple of moments, I felt the Lord say, okay, now you’re released to, to lay hands on him. And I did POV. God came, touched them. I mean, he just went flying down to the ground and he was out for a long time. And in that moment, so we have like this amphitheater city street, and then there’s a bar right behind it, right. Bar was playing music. And the moment that that gentleman went down in the power of God, the whole entire bar start shearing. Well, I got the rest of the story. He had been a local drunk and the Lord just touched him when he got up. He couldn’t even like walk hardly at all. He had the power of God was on him.

Gary Smith (23:48):
So strong. I helped him up. He sat on the semi, like where you step up, they get to the door. He stood there for about 20 minutes. And so but the preparation of that was done by the local pastors and the missionary. And they did a lot of that for us. And we kind of just showed up, preach the gospel. And we had a worship team come in. They traveled actually a far away. They traveled eight hours from [inaudible] area and they came into the city that we were in. And I love Mexico. I wish I spoke Spanish, but I love Mexico.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:24):
Yeah, I’ve done lots of ministry in Mexico. My parents were missionaries in Ciudad Juarez right across from El Paso, Texas. So I grew up working there and, and Chiapas is a great place to go. They need Jesus down there. So that’s wonderful. Well, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. I appreciate

Gary Smith (24:41):
It. Thank you so much, evangelists, Daniel. I appreciate it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:44):
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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:42):
To find this show. Thanks so much.

Evangelism Podcast Host (25:44):
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Roselyn Ayeola | Can God Use Women Evangelists?

Dr. Roselyn Ayeola was my co-evangelist at a Christ for All Nations crusade in Iringa, Tanzania. It was her first opportunity to preach the Gospel at a massive crusade. She is from Nigeria so the people were intrigued to see an African woman share about Jesus. Today she talks about how the simple Gospel works to save people whether it is preached by a man or a woman.

Connect with Dr. Roselyn Ayeola: https://www.facebook.com/roselyneayeola

For Evangelism Coaching, call Daniel King at 1-877-431-4276, host of the Evangelism Podcast.

Transcript

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Dr. Roselyn Ayeola was my co evangelist of the Christ for all nations crusade and I ringgit Tanzania. It was her first opportunity to preach the gospel at a massive crusade. She’s from Nigeria. So the people were intrigued to see an African woman share about Jesus today. She talks about how the simple gospel works to save people, whether it is preached by a man or a woman,

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:27):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:03):
Welcome the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King. And I’m excited about telling people about Jesus and I am in Tanzania rice. Right now. We have just finished doing a great gospel crusade in Iringa, Tanzania. And at that crusade, I had the privilege of sharing the platform with Dr. Roselyn Ayeola. And so thank you so much for being on the podcast. Thank

Roselyn Ayeola (01:32):
You. Thank you so so much. I am very grateful. I’m deeply honored that you have invited me to participate in this podcast. Thank you so much. And yeah. What a time to be alive, to love Jesus, to serve him, to preach his gospel. It’s truly amazing. Thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:52):
This crusade that we did together with Christ for all nations here in Tanzania was a unique event for you. It was your very first opportunity to preach at a massive gospel crusade. So what was that like for you?

Roselyn Ayeola (02:13):
It was not anything like I have imagined it was going to be, or even thought it was going to be, it was way beyond that I was blown away by just the powerful demonstration of the presence of Jesus. It was so, so, so beautiful. I was honored to preach tonight. And the first night I preach on the power and the blood of Jesus. And the second night I preached on apart from message called redeemed. And even throughout all the nights of the five nights of the crusade, I saw the power of God inaction. I saw that the simple gospel, when it is preached, it is truly powerful to save. I saw the saving power in the name of Jesus and in the blood of Jesus. So it was definitely a moment, not just the moment, the whole entire crusade w really marked my life. And I’m very grateful that God has given me the honor and the privilege of seeing what he does on such a mass scale.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:26):
Well, you did such a wonderful job. You are a powerful woman of God anointed by God and you connected so well with the crowd. And honestly, it didn’t look like your first time. It looked like you were extremely experienced. You knew exactly what you were doing and the crowd responded so well. And, and it was so amazing. We had so many salvation in our city of Iringa 15,715, which is such a tremendous count. Just praise the Lord for all the people that got saved. Let’s talk a little bit about your background. Where are you from and how did you come to this point?

Roselyn Ayeola (04:08):
I I’m originally from Nigeria. I was born and raised there and at the age of 16, I went to medical school in Russia. And I’m a medical doctor. That’s my, that’s my background. I wasn’t born and raised in a I’m not a pastor’s kid or from a super you know, on fire kind of background or family. But I met Jesus while I was in medical school. He saved my life. I was lost and he, he found me ever since then, I’ve been walking with him and serving him. But how I got here, how I got to this point was to S it was by saying yes. He told me he’s told me since I was in medical school, but it was, it was hard to say yes, initially lane medicine down to preach the gospel and go to the nations.

Roselyn Ayeola (05:06):
But in 2017, I had tried to do it my own way. Try to, you know, push that to later on in the future, I will go and I’ll preach. But it didn’t work out that way at all. Not even in the list way at all. I ended up just going back to the Lord when nothing was working, when the way I expected it was going to, and I said like, this, wasn’t what you said, Lord, this wasn’t what you promise. Why is nothing working in my life? And he said, well, I’ve called you to preach the gospel. And he kept thinking, it’s for a future version of you, but it’s not it’s for right now. And so’s are hanging in the balance and you need to go. And so in 2017, I remember clearly was in November. I repented of my rebellion and the delayed.

Roselyn Ayeola (05:58):
Yes, because in some of us say yes to what God is calling us to do, but we mean it for the future. We mean like, oh yes, God I’ll do that for sure. But just not now later. But later is not what God is calling us to his calling us to his work and his heart right now. And I said, yes in 2017, I was living in Colorado at the time. And ever since then, God has been the one opening the doors. He said, you say yes, and now I’ll take you where I want to. So he’s been taking me there every step of the way. And that’s how I got here. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:31):
The secret is to say yes to Jesus, which is such a wonderful thing. And, and I, I think it’s, it’s really amazing that you’re doing that because as a doctor, of course, you could make lots of money. Doctors get large salaries, but you have sacrificially put that on hold and you are pursuing your calling as an evangelist. And so you go from fixing bodies to now, you are fixing souls in helping people to go to heaven for all of eternity. And tell me some about your passion for soul-winning and why that drives you and motivates you.

Roselyn Ayeola (07:14):
I thank you for that question that my passion for. So winning really comes from it comes from the heart of Jesus. I, I look at the human body and doesn’t matter how, how well you take care of it is going to come a day. It’s only going to go in the ground. And it’s, it’s just a case. You know, it’s a case we, we take care of. So, so much we lose sight of what really matters in that disaster. So it’s why Jesus said, if you gain the whole world and lose your soul of what profit is that, and that’s truly like wet for me. The passion comes from Jesus himself. It’s I feel his heart for the nations. And for people that non-well perish, none, none will perish. That’s the heart of Jesus. And he has gripped my heart with his heart.

Roselyn Ayeola (08:08):
And that’s where that passion comes from. That every white girl, I would stop for the one. And I’ll preach in front of the millions that none will perish. And that all will come to know the saving knowledge of the name of Jesus that everyone doesn’t matter where you are. You may be on your debt bed right now. You may, you may be in school. You may be working that not will perish. I’ve seen people pass away in the blink of an eye. Nobody knew they were going to pass away, but they just did. And what mattered in that moment was where were they going? That grips my heart? Like, where are we going? Like, we take care of our bodies, but where are we going? Because we only sojourn is on this earth. This is not our final destination. It’s actually the beginning of the journey, but exactly are we going?

Roselyn Ayeola (08:56):
And that grips my heart to know that I have preached the gospel to know that I have shared with someone who was on their way to hell. And now there is not just only a redirection, but there is a what the Bible calls a regeneration that whosoever is now in Christ is a new creation. And all things are passed away. Someone may have been on their way to help or for in one moment that they hear the gospel and respond to the gospel. It’s powerful enough to shift the entire life. That’s amazing. And so for me, my passion for the gospel too, to see souls, one comes from a heart of Jesus. It comes from sitting before him and let him grip your heart because we are caught. We all call to this. I’m just evangelist. It’s why he gave that commission. It’s why we read act one eight, that we will receive power after the holy spirit comes upon us, that we all will be witnesses, not as evangelists, but all, all that comes to him will and should be witnesses of the gospel. Because if you change your life, it can change someone else’s life. No, it will change someone else’s life so long as we open up our mouth. And we, we we, we respond to his call to share with other people.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:14):
We saw God do tremendous miracles in Iringa lots of salvations. When you go home, what are some of the miracles that you will remember that God did here in Tanzania?

Roselyn Ayeola (10:28):
The first miracle I will remember is on the night I preached I saw almost every hand go up in response to the call to surrender their lives to Jesus. At the end of the message, I preach evangelists, bunkies story of the 10 rooms. And in that story talks about nudges giving 90% of the rooms in your heart to God are 50%, but a hundred percent. And after that, I said, if you’re here and you want to give a hundred percent of your heart and life to Jesus to follow him, that he will be the Lord and master of your life. I literally saw almost every hand go up. I think that is the biggest miracle I would take with me. And there was this mama that also got her healing and it really touched me because she was paralyzed in her right arm and right leg for three years.

Roselyn Ayeola (11:23):
And she started crying as she shared. And she said, I say, thank you, thank you much. I didn’t heal you. Jesus healed you. It’s all Jesus. But at the same time, I also recognize what kind of pain and oppression she could have. She would have been in, or she had been in for those three years that she couldn’t lift her arms or use her leg. And Jesus set her free. Jesus healed her. And that, that would mark me that this is what Jesus does. He sets free. The oppressed, he heals the broken hearted. He delivers those who have been held captive. This is what Jesus does. And I, nobody can tell me otherwise he does miracles and he loves to do them. And so that, that for Shelby, another miracle I take with me as much as I can remember, there are many miracles that took was that we ourselves don’t know.

Roselyn Ayeola (12:15):
I feel like it turned will truly tell us. I feel like God, God has this amazing camera. We’re better than our best cameras and I phones and everything. It has an amazing camera that is capturing every single miracle that happens on such a mass scale, because we don’t see all the way into the field, but he does. And he’s going to show us, it’s going to be like on that night, when you push that Irina that happened, I bet you didn’t know. Like now I know because he’s heart captures every single miracle, even though our eyes can’t. And I feel like it turned, it would definitely surely show the impact of all that. Jesus has done an earring at this week.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:53):
Amen. In acts chapter two, Peter, the apostle quotes, the book of Joel. And he says, in the last days, God says, I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh, both men and women, the young and the old, he says your maid, servants, shell prophesied. So in the last days, God is going to raise up women that are going to prophesy and speak God’s word with great boldness. And unfortunately in the body of Christ, there are some traditional churches that have told women that they are not allowed to speak. And they say, you’re not allowed to speak in church, but God is raising up women who can boldly proclaim the gospel. And I believe that God wants to raise up a strong women of God here in Africa that would rate that would, would stand up and, and call the nations to Christ. And so what advice would you give to women that have sometimes been told by the church to sit down, shut up, just listen. And instead of getting up and participant in, what, what would you say to those women to encourage them? I w

Roselyn Ayeola (14:07):
I would say the words that are reading here in the Bible. If you go to the book of Esther, I’m going to say what Monica said to Esther, to any lady, any woman listening to this podcast right now. And you, some of you have even been called since you were a little girl, some of you, you received that call when you were in your high school or in your university, or when you started working wasted, a serving, you fell and received a call from God to prop, to be a prophet, to the nations, to be a profit to you community, to preach into speak. The word of God. You see, this was what, this was what Mary Kay said to Esther. He said here in Esther, that, so chapter four, verse 13, where the Kiah sent this reply to ESSA, don’t think for a moment that because you are in a palace, you will, you will escape when all or the Jews are killed.

Roselyn Ayeola (15:04):
If you keep quiet at a time like this deliverance and relief for the Jews will arise from some other place, but you and your relatives will die. Who knows? This is a popular verse that most people say, who knows if perhaps you were made for such a time as this, you see my friends. If you’re listening right now, and you’re a woman that God has called to preach the gospel, your little girl, your lady with doesn’t matter how old you are, how old you are, how young you are. It doesn’t matter where you are. What matters is that perhaps you were called for such a time as this. And I want you to know that the same God who annoyed and who speaks through the mouth of male preachers and male evangelists and pastors and apostles, and prophets is the same God who has called you and anointed you for such a time as this.

Roselyn Ayeola (16:07):
So do not take no for an answer. Rise up. Esther rise up. Deborah preach the gospel. The nations are hanging in the balance. The souls of men are hanging in the balance. So rise up. I would, I would say to you what evangelist bunkie said when he was asked that if female if there should be a female, preachers are familiar evangelists. He said, if I was drowning, this was the illustration he gave. If I was drowning, it would not matter to me who is throwing the life jacket. It wouldn’t matter to me who is about to rescue me, male or female. I need rescue immediately. And that is the same thing with what God has called you to do men and women around you need rescue immediately. And it doesn’t matter. Who’s throwing the life boat or the life jacket. It matters that you respond and you go, it matters that you respond and you go, and the word of God is on your lips.

Roselyn Ayeola (17:06):
Don’t think you’re not qualified because you’re a woman. God has called you. He made you. And he said, in the last days, he will pour out a spirit upon all flesh. My sister, you are included in that all flesh. So go preach the gospel, your you anoint. It doesn’t matter what continent here, here in Africa or in the, in, in the Americas or in Asia or in Australia or in Europe, it doesn’t matter where you are go. Your voice is needed. Your voice is needed. Like SOS voice was needed right there before the king, your voice is needed in this generation. So go, go, let nothing hinder. You let nothing stop you. And I’m telling you the same way I’ve seen Jesus do so many things with just a simple, yes, sir. I’ve given to him. I had nothing else. I don’t have. I don’t have a scholarly degree from the greatest theological university on the planet.

Roselyn Ayeola (18:08):
But what I do have is a simple yes, in my heart that wherever Jesus sends me, I will go. And so wherever he sent you, don’t worry about how to worry about what you will say to stress that he is enough. He is powerful enough to do through you. That which he’s called you to do. I remind you of first Thessalonians five verse 24. It says the one who has called you, he is fateful for, he will do it to take that and run with that. Cause the one who has caught you or his well able his work capable, and he would do above and beyond all that you could ever imagine or even think in. So please, my sisters now is a time for us to rise up. Let’s take this Baton that has been, that’s been thrusted into our hands and let’s run. Let’s run like our very lives, depend on it. And let’s see all the nations come to Jesus, bow their needs and say, Jesus Christ is Lord. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:09):
Would you just take a moment right now to pray for those women and men who are listening, that they would be able to experience the fullness of God’s calling

Roselyn Ayeola (19:21):
Upon their life. Amen, Lord, Jesus. I, I lift up before you right now. Every one of my brothers and sisters who are listening to this podcast, Lord, I pray that each one of them would rise in this moment and they would respond to your call upon their life. And I pray over them that they will fulfill to the greatest potential to the fullest, potential all that you have called them to be. I pray that they will walk in their calling. They will walk in purity. They will walk integrity. They will walk in holiness father. I pray that their hearts and their lives daily will be postured in a insane yes. To you in saying yes to what you’ve called them to. And I pray what, even what eyes has not seen, what ears have not heard, what has not even yet been formed in the hearts and minds of men, we will see through the lives of this ones who are listening and they through their life will glorify you in Jesus’ mighty name.

Roselyn Ayeola (20:24):
Lord, I pray for strength for those who are feeling like they’re weak, they can’t go, they can’t do this Lord. I pray for strength that you will strengthen their hearts. You will strengthen their souls. You will strengthen their bodies, that they are able to go and preach the gospel. They are able to go and do what you’ve called them to do. It doesn’t matter in what sector, if it’s in the nations, if it’s in the media industry, if it’s in the educational industry, if it’s with entrepreneurship, it doesn’t matter in what sector you’ve called them to Lord. I pray you give them the strength to go and to be all that you’ve called them to be, I pray your blessings over their lives. And most importantly, I pray that daily, there will say yes, they will say yes to what you’re doing. They will say yes. So how you move it? They would to look at their own abilities, but they will look at your abilities and they would run hand-in-hand with you. Jesus, Lord. I bless them with your presence in Jesus’ mighty name. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:20):
Amen. Dr. Roselyn Ayeola, it has been an honor to share the platform with you in Iringa. And even though this was your first crusade, it will not be your last God’s hand is upon you. And I believe that as you continue to say yes to Jesus, that God will use you in mighty ways, in that you will see millions of people come into the kingdom of God through your ministry. So it’s an honor to know you and thank you so much for, for joining arms together with me. And of course we had a great team there and Iringa organizing everything. It’s been really wonderful. Yeah. But I

Roselyn Ayeola (22:00):
Want to say thank you to all of our team members the tech team, the media team. I want to say thank you to the Crusader organizer, Jacob Ebersole amazing interns who prayed and most importantly to evangelist Daniel Kolenda for such a privilege to run shoulders, to shoulders with him in the harvest. And this is only the beginning. All the nations will come to Jesus and hell will be empty and heaven for, for the sake of Jesus name. Amen. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:38):
Thank you for being on the podcast, Dr. Roslyn. Thank you. It’s such an honor.

Roselyn Ayeola (22:41):
Thank you, Dr. King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:44):
Thanks for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (23:45):
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Winfried Wentland | Risking Your Life For the Gospel

Winfried Wentland has been working with Christ for All Nations since 1979, the year I was born. He has been kidnapped, held at gun point, captured by child soldiers, arrested, and he rescued a Christ for All Nations sound truck that was on a boat that sank in a river. He came close to dying nineteen times as he drove CFAN Gospel trucks thousands of miles across Africa. Today, you will hear his amazing stories from the frontlines of Gospel evangelism.

Buy Winfried’s Book: By Life Or By Death

About the Book: Laboring under some of the toughest conditions on earth, risking death at the hands of rebel warlords, traversing disease infected jungles and crossing seemingly impossible routes across Africa, Winfried has learned from the examples of missionaries who have gone before while blazing a trail for others to follow.

From a background of driving tanks in the German Special Forces, yet now armed with little more than a Bible and the promises of God, ‘Wini,’ as he is known to friends, has for over thirty years promoted the Gospel, literally cleared the ground and stage for what many have said are ‘the greatest evangelistic initiatives in Africa.’

By Life or By Death is a gripping account of endurance, highlighting the miraculous and harrowing escapes of Winfried Wentland, as he sought to bring light and life to the continent of Africa. This is a story of love, family and the determination to overcome. It is a compelling testimony of a God-given calling, propelled by initiative, determination and faith yet under-girded by God’s protective hand. It contains a message to all who have heard the call to missions and is a testimony of God’s unrivaled faithfulness in and through all things.

Listen to Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach on The Evangelism Podcast

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Winfried Wentland has been working with Christ for all nations since 1979, the year I was born. He has been kidnapped, held at gunpoint, captured by child soldiers arrested and he rescued a Christ for all Nations sound truck that was on a boat that sank in a river. He came close to dying 19 times as he drove CFAN gospel trucks, thousands of miles across Africa today, you’ll hear his amazing stories from the front lines of gospel evangelism.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:31):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:07):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I am excited about telling people about Jesus. And today I’m with Winfried Winland who he has traveled with Reinhard Bonnke for many years. What year did you first start traveling with brother Reinhard Bonnke?

Winfried Wentland (01:24):
I started in 1979 and I’m still on it to today.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:30):
Wow. What a tremendous privilege to have you with us? Tell me some about how you got started.

Winfried Wentland (01:37):
I started with Reinhard Bonnke we have a church and he came sometimes to our church and preach and I was a Bible student and God called me to the mission. And then a young man came from Reinhard Bonnke and said he is looking for young people to come and work, to distribute African messenger and newspaper around Africa and all the countries for the secondary schools and universities in 79, we traveled, you know, first to South Africa and then we distribute it, the African messenger, millions of papers to the secondary school around Africa. Then in 81, when this program was come to an end, I went with my wife to South Africa to build the big new tent, which we had. That was a time I worked there when it was installed. And I was a tent master. Then in a second, smaller tent is what we call the yellow tent, which I traveled around South Africa and some neighboring countries. And in 85, we came back to west Africa because Reinhard Bonnke saw that the open air meeting was another option to preach the gospel beside the tent crusades. So we moved our family to Africa and started with one truck like we did. Now, we did crusades with a very simple platform sound system and some lights, and then is how we started. And then we traveled from one country to the other.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:14):
Let’s talk a little bit about the big tent, because it was actually the largest tent that was ever created. What did it take to put the tent up and to move that tent around?

Winfried Wentland (03:27):
Yeah, that was a big structure. They had about 55 containers where the 10 parts, the cover and mass and all the steel parts were, had to be transported from one place to the other. So we had 15 trucks and so we had to do four trips to get all the parts to one place to the other one turn around, mostly took eight to 10 weeks. So it’s a lot of work that tent anchored in about 127 anchors, which we had to drill in the ground and the tent could take 34,000 sitting people inside. So we build it up in Soweto and then in Cape town where the tent cover blew off, then came a new tent in San Baba. And then we saw that the crowd was bigger than the tent could take. Then we had to open air crusade. I remember in Kenya with about 180,000 people. We had another crusade in blank. Taya was 150,000. Then I not decided believe the tent we go on open-air crusades. And that is what we did to today.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:41):
So even though the tent seated 30,000 people and was the largest tent that had ever been made it quickly became too small. And it’s Christ for all Nations started seeing such big crowds out on the fields that you just had to leave the tent behind. And plus it was a lot of work

Winfried Wentland (04:58):
That was it. And a lot of finance and work and people involved, you know, we heard about this stuff from 120 people to go around with it. And so the decision to make it, you know, an open air crusade was much simpler more flexible and, you know, to build up the platform and the rest of it, it took us maybe two to three, four days and we could easily move it from one place to the other. So we, as a technical crew, we were very happy, but the tent was still then in motion, ran out gave it to some people, they were still moving. It. One became a church, you know, we could divide the tent in three parts. And so we go on because rhino said, the glory of God is what covers the people. And that is where we stay till today.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:54):
Tell me about the, the, that you had specifically in Christ for all nations over the, these years. What was it that, that you did to help make the crusades happen?

Winfried Wentland (06:07):
Yeah, in the beginning, when I came was the distribution of the African medicine. And then I worked for a while in a workshop because there was no people who can repair the costs. Then some other people came like Peter Vandenberg who was more qualified than me. He took over and I went and for the tent master, till I came back to the African crusade to boot it up with one track, we make the open-air crusades. So as I said, we had one track and up to today, we have now 16 trucks. The mission grew the size crew, the people that attended screw, you know, in the beginning we had 50, 70, a hundred thousand, 150,000 people, but we had crusades over a million, 1.6 million, 1.3 million closely 800, 700,000. That was many crusades with this size. So we had then to increase also our equipment, you know, more loudspeakers more lights so that the people could at see at least see it in the night where they’re standing. Tell me about

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:21):
Some of the challenges that you faced in doing crusades, doing crusades. Sometimes it looks glorious in the pictures, but there have been a lot of challenges to overcome in order to make the crusade happen. What are some of the big challenges

Winfried Wentland (07:36):
That you faced? Yeah. The big challenges are the different countries, you know, and the changes some of the countries have, you know, I mean, Africa has over 50 countries and I have traveled most of them. And the travel first is the roads. Secondly, the borders, thirdly, the unstable government sometimes, you know, I remember that we, one time entered a country and the president was still in power. When we came out on the other side of the country while we were driving, the president was already overthrown. So all this problems can come when you are on the road, you never know what is coming. So many times we enter out into a war zone or we got hostage taken or we got, you know, captive. And then we had to see how we can survive and how we can come out. But I always believed that we are on the right track.

Winfried Wentland (08:38):
You know, my aim was to preach the gospel or make it possible that somebody else like I not, or Daniel now can preach the gospel. So we have to transport the equipment from one place to the other that is on the road, on the train, on on the ship, on seaways. So everything is, you know, sometimes can cure to the problem. I think with a ferry down in the river, it meter deep because ferry was not good enough. So then they had to take the truck out the trailer out, you know, it took us five weeks, but at the end we survived and at the end, the gospel, good preach. Many people could say, could be saved. And so this is what I thought in my heart. That is the best we have to do, not to retrain or go away, but to stay then other problems can be, some people cannot take the food.

Winfried Wentland (09:36):
Others, you get sick, you know, then you have to see, you know, there’s not like, you know, everywhere, a good hospital or doctors, or you have to treat yourself, you know what to do. And there’s so many small challenges. But on the other hand, we always know that Jesus was on our side and we can trust him. And, you know, even if I was taken hostage, once we knew, even when we wouldn’t come out of this situation, because the people wanted money, they wanted, you know, this money to take away. And I told them, you know, I don’t have dollars and I don’t want to pay dollars. And my mission will also not pay. Then the guy said, okay, then we shoot you. I said, okay, but before you shoot me, I will tell you or ask you one thing. You know, I’m a Christian, I will go to heaven, but you about 10, 12 people there.

Winfried Wentland (10:31):
I said, you will all go to hell. So then the other one of them, they said, oh no, no, no, leave him, leave him. I’m not ready to go to hell now. So that saved the situation at the moment. So they put me aside, they said, we’ll deal with me later, but it helped the situation. And when I think about today, where did I get that courage? You know? But later I saw, this is what the Bible said. You know, you don’t have to think about what you say. So you fear suddenly maybe the time is over. You go to heaven now, but I wanted to tell them something. And so just to creation was revolved. After 10 days, we could, I could get released, you know, without paying anything. The whole thing was settled with the government and was a president. So we could go home. And this is what I see. God takes you every step and you have to trust him and you do it. And if you do it, there’s no problem. You will see that the power of God is stronger than the power of the evil.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:39):
Tell me the story of how you rescued the truck from Sierra Leone during a time of war.

Winfried Wentland (11:48):
Yeah. We had a wonderful crusade and we were going from Leone to the neighboring county for the next crusade like Liberia. So we parked the truck with the UN and the echo mark peaceful troops

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:02):
In a place. And

Winfried Wentland (12:04):
We went home. So when we came back after four weeks to Trevor, the whole situation in the country changed the rebel forces. We’re getting stronger and stronger. So that the U and the echo mock troop, that’s a west African piece too. Had to remove from Sierra Leone to the neighboring country of Conakry. And they were waiting for me to take my truck and to leave. They offered me to go with them, but I said, look, I’m not going in the wrong direction because we have to crusade on the other side. And so when I prayed the story of Jonah came to my heart, Jonah went the wrong direction. He had more difficulties. Then when he would have gone to the in obedience with God. So I said, no, I’m going to Liberia. They said, we cannot protect you. They wanted to help me going through.

Winfried Wentland (12:59):
But they said it’s two days. So I had to go alone. So they gave me a ride letter of recommendation. So I went from Freetown and over Waterloo to Kenema there. I parked in a barracks with the soldiers who were there and they couldn’t help me either because they said they were leaving next morning because the rebels are coming. And we heard from them that some of them got killed already in Waterloo where I passed. So I just missed the rebels in two hours time. So then the next day I read even the Bible again, because they persuaded me to come with that message. You have no chance to go there to Liberia this. The rebel is this very strong there. So I read the Bible and the first came to me and from Luke where it says, anyone who will look will save their own lives, they will lose it.

Winfried Wentland (13:52):
And when they trust Jesus, then that will give them life. So I thought I would go. So then I decided with my team, we should go to the, the other direction. So we were totally alone. And when we traveled and in the jungle, after the second stop, there was a children, soldiers, you know, they recruited childrens. The commander of the children were 14. The rest was between 10 and 14. So we got captive. We would put aside, then we saw many people who was already dead now, or they will have tortured them. So they said, okay, I should sit down there and wait till my turn comes. So when I was waiting, I talked with one of the child, how he was raised, rescued, and know how he was recruited to the children’s soldiers team. And what I hear from them was terrible. But suddenly I heard some you know, some noise.

Winfried Wentland (14:53):
I prayed all the time in my heart. And then the truck came and then there was many soldiers on a thing, 25, very heavily armed because they had some families in the jungle. They wanted to rescue their own family. So they said what you are doing here, because I knew me from the last night before. So they put their guns on the children. They didn’t shoot because the children were all running. And then they said, okay, let’s go. So we traveled with them. And some incident happened. They, we, you know, we followed them. They said, you know, when we have a shootout, we everybody’s on his own, you know? And he said, you shoot there, shoot everybody, but we cannot rescue you if something happened. So, and then the truck slipped in a very slippery road in a, in a, in a, in a pothole, down in in the gutter.

Winfried Wentland (15:44):
So the, these other trucks went and we were left alone. And there was a big mountain area where small road went in the, in the valley. So one of the soldiers, he gave us six soldiers to protect us, you know, in the truck. They said in 20 minutes out here, so you have to take us out there. But at the end, you know, we were working very hard to get us out. But then another truck came because we put us with a winch on the tree, but the tree came out of there of the ground was not strong enough to pull the heavy truck. You know, we had 50 ton truck out. So we left then to the border. Where’s the soldiers because we met the other one on the way later in the afternoon. And then I asked them whether they can help us to bring us to the border because there was still another 40 kilometers.

Winfried Wentland (16:38):
So they helped us. And it was very good. We came to other block roadblocks, and they, you know, how they know how to handle them. And so we could go 10 to the border. Then at the border, we were not arrested, but we will take all the papers away because we had nothing left. The soldiers, left us then back home. And so they said, we have to wait till the morning, come. Then we have to offload the whole truck. And then I said, no, we have a crusade in Monrovia, Liberia. They said, no, no, no, you don’t. They didn’t trust us. So, but they radio then the station in Monrovia and there, our director from the crusade, all the city knew about our coming though. They know that we are there and they’re very joisting because they were praying for us that we come through this dangerous Zune soon.

Winfried Wentland (17:34):
And then the president himself sent a, you know, 10 people up to the border and to bring us down. So when we came, when they came to the border, they organized everything. I mean, it was this African way, how they do it, you know? And we were going with them, one car in front, one in the back. They only said, okay, you have to follow us. You know, you don’t have to come out of the truck. The rest, our soldiers are doing it. So we know what it means, and this is how we lived. And then we came to the crusade and we had a wonderful crusade. I mean, the president came, the, the ministers came, you know Monrovia was, was after many years of war and now they had a little time of peace. So, and the president, you know, said to some of the church leaders and our director, we need somebody who preach the gospel and who can reconcile this different tribes and the whole country.

Winfried Wentland (18:35):
So then ran Punka came and he preached, you know, reconciliation and saving you know, that the people got saved and so on. And then we, at the end, we were over 200,000 people on the field. So that was where I see, you know, if you just listen to what God is saying and what God is doing, and that we are on the right track, you know, the, the main thing is always for me, what I’m doing is for the gospel and for the good thing, what Jesus told us to do, go ye and preach the word. So if you do it, every obstacle, what comes in between, you know, it’s from the enemy who will stop us. So then Jesus is on our side to help us, if it’s difficult, good, it’s difficult. But at the end we made it,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:25):
You have transported the sound system by truck, by train, by ship. And even by plane, how do you fit the entire sound system into a plane?

Winfried Wentland (19:37):
Yeah, I have to see what type of plane it is. Then we know how, what we can take. So we cannot take everything, what we have in the truck or in all our containers when we have to load the plane. So we choose what we need. And then what we took the plane was at 707 Boeing. So we know how much tonnage we can take, and that is how we choose. And then we put it all in. So we could make with set condition. We had, we had four crusades done in Congo and Kinshasa Kananga Madame bay and Kisangani. And the biggest crusade we had was over 300,000 people with a system. So that is possible. And you know, we had to hire than trucks and trailers when we landed. But because of the roads, in some parts of this country, there was no roads to travel with. So the only thing is to go by plane and the plane was possible to fly internally in a Congo. So is what we did.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:49):
One of the amazing things about Christ for all nations is the longevity of some of the staff that have worked with, with CFAN. Some of you have been around 30, 40 years, which is very unusual. Many organizations they’ll have an employee who comes for one year, two year, and then they’ll, they’ll move on to go do something else. And so I’ve always wondered what is it that, that keeps people at Christ for all nations for so long? Why did you stay all of these years? In spite of all of the difficulties, the challenges, the heat of the sun, the just even danger being shot at and, and being held hostage, what is it that has motivated you to continue to help, to preach the gospel?

Winfried Wentland (21:38):
I think the main issue is that you are not only looking for a job to do because that you have to get your money. So my aim was, and is still that I been called by God or called by Jesus so that we know why we are doing it. And I have some opportunities or some times there were people who asked me to join other missions or go to another job or to get more money or whatever it was, you know, but all the time I saw that the calling of God is very important thing. And who has this one? I believe they would stick. Whether you get money or you don’t get whether I got sick or you will die because, you know, my favorite thing is always, when I say it’s not so easy to die in my book, if you read it, I have about 16 situation where I thought my life will be over.

Winfried Wentland (22:44):
You know, I mean, I was very sick, even in the beginning, you know, after some years I was being hospitalized and my doctor, they tried everything, but they couldn’t save my life. So they called my wife and then they said this 90 will die. So that at this point, you know, you know, if their life is over, you go to heaven. That is what I always thought. So, but when the doctor left, when my wife left the pastor, they prayed over me or with me. And I had so much pain for the last three days. I didn’t know whether I want to live or want to, better to die. So, but when I woke up in the morning, you know, five 30, I was, you know, I had drips on my arms, you know, on its side, you know, they filled me with 50 bottles of any medication that I had in that hospital.

Winfried Wentland (23:36):
And so when I woke up, I looked and I saw where I am. And then I realized I was in a hospital, but I, to my head, because I had high fever, you know, over 42 degrees Celsius, where you normally say the, the body can’t take it anymore. And everything was good. I felt like healthy, strong. So I put my trip, my drips out there and went to the shower and shower and I was singing there. So the nurse came in and saw the empty bed, the drips hanging down from the bottles there. And she was crying. I mean, shouting. So the doctors came running and the main doctor, they said Mr. Vanderlande, it can happen like this, go back in the bed. You know, you were so sick. I mean, it can happen like this, that some of the adrenalin comes and then you collapse.

Winfried Wentland (24:35):
And then I said, no, doctor, I believe you tried everything in the last 10 days, but tonight Jesus hit me. So literally he locked the door because he was convinced I will collapse. So you lock the door of the room and said, I will, he will not let me go. So till afternoon, my wife came here to share, to pay the hospital bill, and then I could go. And, you know, a week later I was on the next crusade. So there’s many issues. You, what, you know, I would say what the enemy would try to convince you. It’s enough now, you know, after eight years after 20 years now, it’s over 40 years. So he didn’t convince me that it’s enough because of all the time I see he, they want to try, but they’re not succeeded. And I believe inside my heart, it is.

Winfried Wentland (25:30):
And with my family and with everybody, I said, look, we are all going to heaven. If be right with Christ, I told my children, I have four children. And said to them, you know, if I’m not coming back from the crusade, and sometime they were informed that I was in danger and I didn’t come back in time where I was planned. So they were praying. But I said, you know, make sure you come to heaven that you see me. And this is where I’m convicted and where I stay. And this is what some of my team also say, oh, many of the teams, there are also many years with me, some left up different situation, some left because it was too hot, some left because I see this is not my life. I can’t take it anymore. Sickness, danger, all this thing. Can you prevent people to come? But the people who have really a calling, which God called them to do this, they stay through sick and sin. What we say, you know, and they’re not going away and shied away because of any problems.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:39):
So you’ve helped to organize over 400 crusades now, all over Africa. What are some of the biggest victories that you think about? What are some of the greatest things that you’ve seen in all of these crusades?

Winfried Wentland (26:54):
You say that many things, sometimes you come to a city where you think where the people, so, and then you see how the people flock to the crusades. You know, I, wasn’t an area where it was really Bush and I told our, or as our director is this the right place? He said, yeah, the people would come. So when they saw what God is doing, you know, sometimes God is doing something unexpected in this situation. It was, we came to a very remote area, which pagan situation, witchcraft devil stuff and all this one. So some people, they want us others, they don’t want us. So when we put the platform, there, there was a big tree, which was their gods. They prayed to. And that tree one morning, fall down. I mean, big tree, five, no four meter in diameter, boat, 60 meter, high and fall, right to the floor.

Winfried Wentland (27:58):
So they sought, I cut it. I said, no, look at it broke. So then they were astonished. So they wanted to, or they went to the high priest who is residing over there, you know, group. And when they came to their house, they found the high priest dead on the floor. So all this one reacted, you know, on the population, what is going on. And the people said, you know, if the people of Reinhard Bonnke has this power already, what will happen when Reinhard Bonnke comes? So even then the witchcraft house was staying there, the caterpillar moved it there, people thought they will explode, you know, the caterpillar, but all these items, you know, saw, we saw that the people were astonished. And when then heard the gospel at the end of this crusade, the king came with a whole entourage. And that brought a white ox, which is a highest gift to the end, gave it to Banca now.

Winfried Wentland (29:02):
And he said, he was so happy that he heard and his tribe or his ethnic group heard the gospel. And they know now what is the truth? And this is what I see, you know, is one of the things, what I feel we are on the right place. The other item was in another city. I put the platform in one area. Then the commander there was next was a big military camp. They came and he said, I can’t put the platform there. So I said, why? So they said, no, there is a graveyard near to platform. And some people are buried there. So I said, well, but they are dead. What is a problem? No, no, that’s it. You know, when Reinhard Bonnke comes, we don’t want any one of them to be raised, you know? So you have to go far out. So I have to go to the other side of the field because it was a city where one of the people were raised by dead. And that story makes the round, you know, in the city. And they said, no, no, we know what God can do. And this is where you see the, some there, they got the information and the conviction that the power of God is moving. And this is what, you know, many people in around Africa, different countries, it’s not every country is the same, but where people got moved and they accepted Christ and millions give their life to Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:31):
You’ve written a book with all your stories and adventures, both the successes and failures and the challenges of doing crusades all over Africa. What’s the name of it? Your book,

Winfried Wentland (30:44):
My book is called “By Life or by Death” in the English version. It’s also then translated in some other languages. But this is the book, somebody I told the story and we, he wrote it then actually. And because I have no time to write a book and maybe I’m not so good writer, but I can tell the story. So we met and then I, for a few days, and I told them everything I knew, and then he wrote it and it started, you know, with my start, how I met my wife and we traveled then in Africa, as I said, we have four children. They got born in different countries. They grew up in Africa to the last one. We got born in Germany then. But so they know everything and they know what we are doing. And they supported us. They knew all the challenges we have.

Winfried Wentland (31:42):
And this is also what is written a book. And I believe my wife and me, we were a good team, you know, because if you read it, you know how we met. And it is very interesting because actually she didn’t want to marry me. So when I say the first time, she said, no, but then also God spoke to her. And that is what the team, what is seeing changed. And she said, you know, she would never married, had married me if she would know that God so clearly spoke to her that God wanted us to be together. And now we are, you know, 42 years together. That is the same time because we married. And two weeks after the marriage, I went to Africa and then she had still a contract. She was a left-hander Suarez. She had still a contact for half a year. So she had to fulfill, I went alone and then later he joined me too. Today we are together and all our children, you know following the Lord and Monmouth, my son is still working with Syphon. Also,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:51):
Your wife must be an amazing woman of God to walk with you through all of the challenges. And back in the early days, you didn’t have a cell phone. You can call immediately. Sometimes. Maybe she didn’t know where you were or what was happening. All she knew to do was to pray.

Winfried Wentland (33:10):
Yeah, that is what she can do and what she has to do. And, you know, I, two of my children were born and I didn’t know I was not there. And I didn’t know whether she delivered or didn’t deliver on one occasion. The second son, the third child, I was taken hostage. I was not sure when I coming home, I only knew my wife was, you know, in time, even before I left the crusade, the child was actually due to come. So we went to the hospital to the doctor and the doctor said, you know, there’s no sign to, to go now. So she will over carry her, him. And then I left because I had to leave for the crusade and for the next event. So, and then, I didn’t know. So when I came home after four or five weeks, six weeks, then from one of the city, it was in Mali, in Bamako.

Winfried Wentland (34:07):
I went to a good hotel. They had a telephone. So I phoned home. I couldn’t phone Nigeria, where we lived at the time, there was no connection, but it from home, I knew you, I got a son born then on then that was every single scoot. So I still had to travel 2000 kilometer and then I was home. But you know, we, at that year, and in this situation, sometimes we were apart for eight months and that was, you know, quite strong for both of us. And I thought, if that continues like this, you know, there was also one thought, I thought, how will I manage? But as I later said, always you know, no condition is permanent things change. So the next year it was only four months, five months apart. And so it all changes, you know? And that is how it is, you know? And the other time the last child got born, you know, I was also on the crusade. And when the people came from Germany to the crusade, they said, you have a daughter.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:15):
Wow. What advice would you give to a young man or young woman who feels called by God to be involved in evangelism, whether it’s on a technical side or preaching on the platform or, or maybe even taking pictures, what advice would you give to them? Who, who feel called to evangelism?

Winfried Wentland (35:34):
Yeah. If you are a call to the vendor realism or to anyone of God’s work, do it. So that’s the first thing the devil or the enemy will try to keep you away, whatever you have in mind, do it. You know? And then even people ask me, you know, when we went out in 79, my wife and me, we sold everything at all my car, everything, all my savings we put in Soviet traveled with $1,500. And then people came to us and said, well, what will you do when the dollar is finished? I said, look, first I have them. I will take care of them if they’re finished. Well, I said, Paul worked, I would go and find some work so I can survive. So, but till today, the pocket never get empty. You see? So if you sow into the kingdom, if you give your life and your time, God will also see that you will be returned.

Winfried Wentland (36:32):
It was not always easy, but we had always enough. You know, our children had always enough food. We had always a accommodation. We slept in a caravan. We slept in a tent. We slept in a very, you know, small place. You know, for one year we had only like six square meter was two people, my wife and myself. So, but today we have more. So this is where I said, everyone, you know, who has a calling? Do it. If you don’t succeed, well, you, at least you tried. But if you and God is on your side, you will succeed and you will be happy that you did this decision. I did this decision. I was, you know, from my profession, I’m a banker. Then I went to the army. I was a Lieutenant. I want to stay there, but God called me. And I’m so glad that I left it and listened to what God put in my heart and did it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (37:31):
Well, I honor you for your many years of faith and persistence and following the plan of God for your life. It’s so beautiful. It’s wonderful. You are a great inspiration. So, so thank you. And thank you very much for being on the evangelism podcast. I appreciate it.

Winfried Wentland (37:50):
Thank you, Daniel King. I appreciate it as well. God bless you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (37:55):
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Robbie Leaf | Death Creates an Urgency to Evangelize

Robbie Leaf is a native American who has a passion for reaching native-Americans with the Gospel. Recently several of his family members died. Because of these tragic deaths, God has given him a new fire to reach people for Jesus before they enter eternity.

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/robbie.leaf.52 

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Robbie Leaf is a native American who has a passion for reaching native Americans with the gospel. Recently, several of his family members died because of these tragic deaths. God has given Robbie a new fire to reach people for Jesus before they enter eternity.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:21):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast…

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:59):
I’m Daniel King. And I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a special guest with me, Robbie Leaf, welcome to The Evangelism Podcast.

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (01:11):
Thank you, Daniel. It’s great to be here again.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:13):
You were one of the very first guests that I had on my podcast, right? When I was launching it out, I interviewed you. You are native American. And I remember on that first episode, we talked about your heart for reaching native Americans with the gospel of Jesus. It was a great episode. We’ve had lots of tremendous response from it, and you have been continuing to tell people about Jesus. Now we’ve done over a hundred podcasts, Robbie, and it’s time to have you back. And so super excited that you’re here today. Tell me a little bit about what you’re going to be doing over the next couple of months in evangelism.

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (02:02):
I’ve been doing local one-on-one evangelism and doing just collaborating with other ministries here, but in June I’m flying out June 4th to Portland, Oregon, and I’m me and two other evangelists, friends who are from the Brownsville revival. Old friends of mine. We feel led in our hearts from the spirit just to go there and go to the, to the tent cities the homeless tent cities and to the inner city and just go to Portland and just share the gospel and in dark places,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:36):
I mean, Portland has been in the news a lot lately. There have been riots in Portland. There’s a group called Antifa that goes and riots that I saw that even burned up an elk statue. So I’m not sure why they’re upset at the elk statue, but they burned it down and it looks like it’s a tremendous place to, to go and, and to, to preach the gospel. Is it that put Portland on your heart to want to go there and, and minister,

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (03:03):
Well, just even being here in Tulsa and going downtown and just some of the places I’ve been doing one-on-one evangelism and my heart’s always been, just play dark places just to places where you don’t see people go shared a lie to gospel people. And we really feel in our heart, this is the time we just have this urgency in our hearts. Like there’s so many people that are hurting and of course our people are angry, but there are searching for something. And yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:33):
Talk to me a little bit about that. That urgency is in your heart. You are an on fire evangelists, you’re, you’re full of fire. Where does that urgency come from? Why, why do you feel this urgency to reach people for Jesus?

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (03:47):
Well, recently I’ve lost a few family members and me and my mom personally have lost a few family, friends, just tragically, whether it’s from car accidents or just alcohol abuse. We’ve had some loss and had a great time of grieving. And but what the Lord’s really been continuing to emphasize in my life is that it’s not the time to like just hesitate or procrastinate. You know, like my mom, my mom’s two friends. They just died in car accidents within a week of other tragically, you know? And I just, for us, it’s like, we don’t know, we’re not promised another day. You know, I mean, today is the day of salvation now as the dead salvation. And I’m just this, this urgency of we just don’t, we don’t know when our, when we take this last breath from, from our lungs, you know, and I’m just feeling like we just had this urgency just to go where people may be wanting to kill themselves.

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (04:56):
Maybe they just don’t have the strength to go on. And just, you never know, especially on the streets, there’s some tough streets and the rough stuff happened and we just have this heart. It just emphasizes more that we can’t procrastinate. We don’t know. I don’t know how long my mom has. I don’t know how long some of my family members have, and it’s not the time to hesitate and just wait, well, maybe tomorrow or next week or a month from now, they might not be here tomorrow. They might not be here next week. They might not be here a week a month from now or a year from now. And that’s why I’m filling out register

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:35):
Our family. We recently went through this. My mother went to heaven just a couple of weeks ago and thank God that she was a godly woman. She loved God. I know that she is in heaven, but in moments like these, when, when people die in enter into eternity, you begin to realize how long eternity is. Our time here on earth is, is very brief. It’s just a short length of time, but he turned it. He goes on forever and ever and ever. And when people step into eternity, they will either go to heaven or to hell. And if they know Jesus, if they’ve accepted Jesus as their Lord and savior, then they will spend eternity in heaven with God. But if they have rejected Jesus, or even maybe never even heard about the work that Jesus did on the cross, then they will step into, to eternity and spend forever and ever, and ever in a place of, of punishment for their sins.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:47):
And when you start to think about that, you’re right, it really does create an urgency, a great need for an evangelist to go into, to preach the gospel. We can’t wait, we can’t hesitate. We, we can’t put off witnessing to someone until tomorrow or until next week, but we need people to be enthusiastic about going and sharing their faith. And, and we really are rescue workers, Robbie, you, you and I, as evangelists, we are rescue workers. We are going and trying to rescue people and, and take them out of hell and take them with us to heaven. Yes. So just at the beginning of this year, you had an uncle who went to heaven and then an aunt, and then some of your, your mother’s friends. And then my cousin and then your cousin. So you’ve been really dealing with this a lot. Talk to me some more about this sense of urgency that you feel in rescuing people.

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (07:53):
Well especially with my cousin my cousin before, actually since Thanksgiving, just before leading up to, before he passed away in March, he had never, he’d always mocked. When I tell him like, Hey, would you like to come to church with me sometime he’d laugh at me. You know, he didn’t take it seriously, like seriously, you know? And he said, white man’s church, you know, he’d laugh at me and kind of mock me and like, no, these people are awesome, but he just, he just brushed me off. Like, no, you got to be kidding me, you know? But interestingly enough, the first time in my life, it was Thanksgiving. When he was leaving he puts me, put me aside before we walk to the car. And I used for the first time in my life, he asked me about Jesus, about my walk with God and about Jesus and that he was searching that he was kind of thinking about it and what, what what’s like.

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (08:53):
And so I share with him a few moments that we had, and then he’s like, can you pray for your brother, bro? You know? And so I prayed for him. He let me pray for him. And I was, I was almost as shocked as he has as anybody like he’s west, we’re praying he had tears in his eyes. Wow. Thanks, Bob. You know, I’ll talk to you more about this. So that was the first time he reached out to me and I see him in the funerals and stuff like that. So when he passed, it was suddenly, you know, he was in a, in a chair in his couch and he had a heart attack and it really devastated me cause I didn’t know, you know, I wish I’ll start thinking those thoughts. I should have reached out to him more about Jesus, you know, about just, just talking to him more about it, you know, but what happened is that three weeks before he passed, he was reaching out to my uncle.

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (09:50):
Who’s the only spirit filled believer on my mom’s side. And then so him and a pastor friend came to his house, administered to him and, and ran the gospel to him. And he gave his life to the Lord that night. And he, he said to my uncle that he felt a change that was three weeks before he passed. And of course he struggled with alcohol the last three weeks of his life, but then he would ask, he would call my uncle about, I’m still struggling with this, you know, and come over and talk to me more and I need prayer and stuff like that. And it just kind of to, to reinforce that I probably could have been more of an thank God. God had somebody else like another family member to reach out to him. But what if, what if they didn’t answer that call?

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (10:37):
And it’s like that still urgency of just seeing so many past friends and family members who slipped that way into eternity and you don’t know where they stood and we don’t, we don’t, we’re not promised tomorrow. I mean, we, we always have these fears, you know, when we’re finishing a family too, like all, there’s going to think I’m a weirdo and they’re just going to brush me off and stuff like that. But maybe they won’t. I mean, w w I mean, what do we have to lose? I mean, as evangelists as for me, that would always been my fear, you know, just what, what they would say. And like, they just kind of Think, yeah, but

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (11:24):
Now just seeing people just, you know, die, you know, here tragically just suddenly, it just makes it more into perspective that, Hey, I might not have next week to see my cousin or my mom or my uncle or my aunt or that friend that is struggling. And doesn’t really want Jesus, but is on riding a fence and you and the devil always would try to say, well, you could talk to them next week maybe, or, or just ordered have the tri implant thoughts not to do it. But as on fire Vangelis, you know, we’re not supposed to be afraid of what people think we’re supposed to be dead to reputation. We’re supposed to be dead to ourselves and just do it. Just Lord says, go here, go here, go there. And that’s why it just keeps reinforcing that those people may not have tomorrow. It may not be somebody else’s turn. It may be. Maybe God’s calling you to do it because there may be nobody else that will step up and reach out to that person. It may be you, and you don’t want that blood on your hands. When he’s saying, I called you, don’t wait for somebody else. Don’t wait for a Todd white or a Daniel Colendo or, or Louis God

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:48):
Sending a Robbie leaf to reach them. Now, now you have a boldness about sharing your faith in God can work anywhere. Just recently, you were at an I hop international house of pancakes, and you had an opportunity to be part of something that God did there. Tell me about that. What happened when revival broke out at I hop yes.

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (13:10):
Happened like I think it’s a little bit, two weeks ago. Yeah. I’m friends with a guy named Christopher Sligo. They call him big C around here, but

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:18):
Yeah, I know big C we’ve been in Brazil together and he has a powerful singing ministry and great heart of an evangelist. So,

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (13:26):
Yeah. So after he has Saturday night meetings at God shining light and revival meetings, so we decided some of us to go to, I hop, you know, and just, just fellowship and to see what the Lord wanted to do. And we ended up being, we ended up going to two IHOPs before, and they were either closed because they had no cooks or they didn’t have enough room. So we ended up going to the one near, or are you

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:51):
71St? And Louis I’ve been there many times. Yeah. So

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (13:55):
Y’all our little group. We had a holy ghost prayer meeting at the back. They had a room for us and, and it really there’s. It was like a busy time. I mean, this is our late Saturday night, so it was full, it was packed, but we were having a prayer meeting back there. And then people from the other side that weren’t even saved or struggling with their faith, there’s sort of like three or four people came up after we had that prayer meeting and or saying, Hey, I just want you to let you know, you guys, you guys are a blessing and they will ask for prayer. And we prayed with them and let them even let a couple of them and, you know, into salvation and, and then big C and all of us, when we paid our ticket, we big C pretty much preach to the whole I hop and we backed him up and then it’s like the whole place. It was so amazing. And then after that, there were people coming in and out, we’re praying for leading people to Jesus and praying for them and encouraging them and stuff. And I didn’t, I personally not leave that I have until 4:30 AM that morning

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:58):
While you were there a long time, just praying for people and witnessing it’s amazing when revival can break out right inside of a restaurant. So let’s talk a little bit about your, your heart for reaching native Americans this summer. You’re going to go to Portland, then you’re going to go to Seattle. Then what happens after that

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (15:19):
Going into Portland. And then from there we’re going to Seattle and then we’ll go into Tacoma, Tacoma, Washington. And then I think w for a week we’re going to like this part, like a national park, I think it’s 10 commandments park. We’ll think we have an open door to do open air preaching and one-on-one evangelism. And then from there, we’re going to Montana for a week or so. And we’re going to, do we have some open doors on some reservations on Montana or do one-on-one invite them to some meetings at night and we’re going to do one-on-one and just pretty much one-on-one and open air revival meetings, right. Evangelists meetings at night and stuff. So,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:00):
Yeah. Then later on this year, you’re also reaching out in South Dakota Bismarck, North Dakota, Bismarck, North Dakota. And what will you be doing there? Is that on a reservation?

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (16:11):
I’ve never been to Bismark yet, but I have a friend up there, Nick, he’s doing, he’s forming his first crusade and I’m helping him along, just encouraging him with with forming this first crusade and doing evangelism and stuff like that. So, or we want to do in Bismarck, it’s July 11th. We’re going to, he rented like a, like a civic center. There’s going to be broken walls, Jonathan miracle and broken walls and and a couple other native evangelists. And we’re going to be going to the community and the region and reaching out to people and inviting them in. And we’re going to have just a, like a holy ghost time. It’s like a, kind of like a little bit of a crusade, a mini crusade, but it’s the beginning of something more we’re believing for Bismarck.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:56):
Amen. Well, I am in agreement with you. God loves native Americans, and I believe that God has gifted you as a native American to, to speak to those who need Jesus the most. And I know God will, will use you in tremendous ways. You know, we have many different nations right here in Oklahoma, many different tribes. And the Bible says that in front of the throne room of heaven, there’s going to be representatives from every single ethnic group. Every in the Greek language is the word ethnos, which is ethnic. Every nation, every tribe will be represented in front of the throne room of heaven. And so I know that every single tribal group, every single culture, every single distinct nation that is here in will be represented in front of the throne room of heaven. And God has, has given every single culture uniqueness, something that’s different about them and that they will bring to heaven with them. And so I think that what you’re doing in reaching out to native Americans is such a tremendous blessing. Let’s, let’s finish up our podcast with just a time of prayer for the native Americans, right. Of this nation. Yes. Would you, would you lead us?

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (18:24):
Yes. Follow the thank you for this day you made before us father God, we thank you that now is a time of salvation. Now it’s a time of deliverance to the captains. Now it’s a time of healing to our land and to the native people and to all races and all tribes in, in this country, father, God, we declare father God, your presence, your kingdom, come on earth here in Tulsa here on the reservations here in America, as it is in heaven, father God. And we just declare father God, this is the time father, God, to share your light, to share your love to a hurting people. Follow God. We pray father God right now for these open doors. He’s open doors right now on the reservations and on the inner cities while our God that you’re going to open up more opportunities for other vantages, other people that are just so in love with you that want to see a move.

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (19:19):
See an awakening here fall. I got to see awakening on the inner cities and in our streets. And then on the reservations for I guy, we just declare that father God, that follow God that your hand is upon all this, that you’re God that we’re just gonna see a great mighty harvest, follow God through, through what we’re doing. Follow God. And just to all the people that you’re rising up in new years, raising up in this country, follow God and all over the world, father God, we thank you, father God for the collaborations, we just pray and declare a protection father, God, a hedge of protection around us. And just to everybody out there that are going to the missions, going out over overseas or on, on, on rough ground, father, God that your hands on their lives to protect them, follow God. And we just continue to believe and proclaim that you’ll provide every need according to riches and glory by Christ Jesus upon our lives father.

Evangelist Robbie Leaf (20:16):
We just thank you for this time. We just thank you for this time an hour. We are in America falling, right? It’s not time to bow to fear. It’s not time to bow to the enemy. It’s not time to bow to all the pressures and all the lies and deception of the enemy. Now it’s a time father, God, to raise a standard. Now is a time to see your hand and see your life and your love shine above all the darkness. And we believe in that. We thank you, father God and proclaim your name. Lord Jesus above every other name we think, oh God, in Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:56):
Amen. Well, thank you Robbie leaf for being on the evangelism podcast. Once again. And once you get back from all of these strips to North Dakota and to Montana and to other places evangelizing and preaching the gospel, I’ll have you on again so that you can share all the testimonies because I know people love to hear the testimonies, everything that God is doing in different parts of the world. And I believe that that God has revival for America, wants to see revival here. Amen nations. And so I think you’re a big part of what God wants to do here. Thank you, Robbie. God bless. Thank you, Daniel. Thank you so much.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:40):
Thanks so much for listening to the podcast today. If you are excited about leading people to Jesus, would you do me a favor, go to king ministries.com and become a monthly partner with our ministry for a dollar a month. You can help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. I think that is one of the best uses of a dollar that you could find over the course of our ministry. We’ve found it costs an average of about $1 that we are able to reach. So for a dollar a month, you can start a party in heaven every time someone gets saved. So thank you so much. And by the way, would you also go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review, your positive review would really help other people to find the evangelism podcasts who are excited about evangelism. Thank you. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (22:42):
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Christina Perera | A Passion for Revealing Jesus

Christina Perera has a passion for revealing Jesus. I was a guest on her podcast recently and we had a fascinating conversation about how to reveal Jesus to atheists. I shared with her the five steps for revealing Jesus found in the story of Jesus’ encounter with the woman at the well. Today I decided to let you listen in on her podcast about Revealing Jesus.

About Christina Perera:

Christina is a revivalist, speaker, and author whose passion for Jesus spreads like wildfire.  She is called as an evangelist of the gospel of Jesus Christ inviting all to the table of grace. She seeks to encourage, build and unite the bride of Christ as well as to bring her into the revelation of the finished work of the cross.

Website: https://christinaperera.org

Listen to The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelist Daniel King…

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:01):
Christina Perera has a passion for revealing Jesus. I was a guest on her podcast recently, and we had a fascinating conversation about how to reveal Jesus to atheist. I shared with her the five steps for revealing Jesus found in the story of Jesus’s encounter with a woman at the well today, I decided to let you listen in on her podcast about revealing Jesus.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:27):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord show. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:04):
Hi, this is Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I’m going to take you with me into the studio. As I’m interviewed on the podcast of Christina Perrera, her podcast is named revealing Jesus, and I love talking about revealing Jesus. Here we go…

Christina Perera (01:26):
Hey everybody. Thanks so much for tuning into this week’s episode of revealing Jesus with Christina Perera. I am your host, Christina, and I am so excited to have you with me here today. I’ve got an amazing treat for you on the line. I have an incredible evangelist. He has been in full-time ministry for 20 plus years, and he is ministered to millions all over the nations of the world. Today I have with me here, evangelists, Dr. Daniel King, welcome to the program, Daniel. Wow,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:05):
Christina. It is so wonderful to be on the program with you. Thank you so much. I love your mission of revealing Jesus because when we revealed Jesus, it is so special when people get to start that relationship with God.

Christina Perera (02:22):
Oh, well, I’m so honored to have you with me here today. I just, I love your heart. I love your ministry. You found it. Is it king international ministries,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:33):
Ministries international. And I am a missionary evangelist. I’ve gone to over 70 nations preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. And we’ve seen over 2 million people pray with us for salvation in our altar calls. And so I am passionate about revealing Jesus to the world.

Christina Perera (02:56):
Oh, I love that so much. I can tell this is already going to be a really fun conversation because I’m all about Jesus. I I’ve told our listeners so much about you. Is there anything that maybe you’d like to tell them, maybe something personal just to help them get to know you?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:13):
Yeah. My parents were missionaries in the country of Mexico. They moved there when I was 10 years old. And so I grew up working with them in Mexico, but my heart, my passion was always for evangelism. And so when I was young, I would read the books of TLR born or Roberts, Billy Graham Reinhard Bunky, and look at the pictures of all the people that they had led to Jesus. And when I was 15 years old, I was reading a success book. It said, if you want to be successful, you need to write down your goals. And one of the goals that this success book said would be good for young people is to try to become a millionaire by the age of 30. But I realized that because of my upbringing as a missionary in Mexico, that money was not what was important to me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:01):
What was important was souls. And so at the age of 15, I wrote down, I Daniel King want to lead 1 million people to Jesus. Before I turned 30 years of age, instead of trying to become a millionaire, I wanted to lead a million heirs into the kingdom of God. And so God started opening up doors in different nations. And I’m excited to tell you that before I turned 30 years of age, we had successfully led over a million people to Jesus in a, in a salvation prayer. And now we’ve gone over the 2 million mark and I was asking God recently what comes next? I felt like God’s sake go for a million souls every single year. And so that is my passion is going to the least reach parts of the world, places where there’s many Muslims, there’s Hindus even here in America, where there are atheists and reaching the Henrique, telling them about Jesus and bringing them into a relationship with God.

Christina Perera (04:58):
Oh, that’s so amazing. I love that goal. I think, yeah, as young people, it’s easy to get caught up and the systems of the world, but I love that you were able to, to look at that and say, oh, that, that goal is too small for me. You know, because I, I I’ve, you know, I’ve seen so many times in the world where people will achieve the big job they’ll achieve, you know, the millionaire status, but then what do they do? They find that they’re empty. I love that you took that goal and you made it something for God. How is that? Is that been, how has, how has that been fulfilling in your life? What has that done for you?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:41):
Oh, well, when I look at the picture of someone that needs Jesus, there’s something in my heart that just goes out to them. You know, Jesus told us in mark 16, 15, go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. And so as Christians, we are called to go and to reach the loss, to, to tell people about Jesus. And so when I see a picture of a family member, I often ask my friends and partners to send me pictures of their family members that they’re praying for that need Jesus. And I begin to pray for them. And when I see their picture, it just really moves me to, to, to pray that God would send someone across their path to introduce them to Jesus, or when I see a picture of people in different nations around the world. And if you go to my website, king ministries.com, you can see hundreds of pictures of individuals that have been saved in our services. Testimonies of people whose lives have been changed. Pictures of people who, who have received healing testimonies, their, their bodies were sick and Jesus supernaturally healed them. And, and all of those pictures, I look in the eyes of the people and it just gives me such compassion. You know, it says when Jesus saw the crowds of people, he was moved with compassion. And so my prayer every day is that my heart would be filled with the same compassion that Jesus felt for people.

Christina Perera (07:12):
Yes. And so has that major life way more abundant and fruitful and meaningful than simply following the ways of the world as, as a young kid?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:27):
Yeah, absolutely. An investment in souls is an investment in eternity. Like people are often asking like, you know, where should I put my money to get the best return for retirement? But really, if you think about all of eternity, our life here on earth is very short, but eternity is forever. And so when we invest in souls it gives us a tremendous return and an eternal return. And so that becomes a, what is important is investing in those things that are going to last forever and ever, you know, so many things here on earth are temporal. You buy a new car, you love the smell of the new car, but then after a, while it wears off and you, you get a fender bender or you get a scratch on the side of the car and you don’t want that car anymore. Well, that, that is a temporal blessing, but eternity is so long that I think that we should keep our focus and our passion, our prayers on how to effect all of eternity.

Christina Perera (08:36):
I love that, you know, I, I have such a heart of an evangelist and I always, when you first started speaking, I kept hearing that verse, he who wins souls is wise. And I like how you equated that almost to investing. So you took what could have been an opportunity you to go out into the workforce and invest in the ways of the world, but you saw it as an opportunity to invest in the kingdom of God and invest in eternity. And, and I think that’s really beautiful because you’re right. You know, we get that new car, a get that new thing or whatever, and we’re happy about it. But then there does come a day where we want something new. And for me, you know, working in the kingdom of God is, is, has been really fulfilling in a way that really nothing else was.

Christina Perera (09:27):
I always think about Jesus when he was, do you remember the story of the woman at the well, and he was so tired. He sat down, his disciples, went into town to get food. And they came back. By the time they came back, he had ministered to the woman at the well, and he S and he was refreshed. He was revived. And his disciples were like, where did you get food from? And he was like, I have food that you do not know of. My food is to do the will of my father in heaven. And, and even though work in the kingdom is work. We receive receive, even now in this life that we lead, you know, a refilling back of the Lord into what we’ve poured out. And I love that about Jesus. He’s, he’s so beautiful. Even, even when we pour out for him, he’s pouring back into us so much more. Have you seen that play out in your life?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:34):
Yeah, absolutely. Let let’s, let’s talk a little bit about that passage of the, the woman at the well it’s found in John chapter four. And I think it’s really interesting what Jesus does in relating to the woman. And there’s so much that we can learn from his example. You know, he was so tired. He got up early in the morning, he walked and now it’s noontime and he’s hungry. He sends his disciples into the town to get food, but he sits down by the well, but he’s thirsty. Well, here comes this Samaritan woman. And the first thing Jesus says to her is, will you give me a drink? And so he starts a conversation with her. And so I really think that’s the first step to people leading others to Jesus. You know, as believers, we often want to lead others to Jesus, but we don’t know how, but I think the first step is just to open a conversation and to start talking to people.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:29):
And if you don’t talk to them, you’ll never be able to lead them to Jesus. And then the woman says, will you give me a drink? And then Jesus starts talking about living water. So he turns the conversation towards the things of God. So the first step is to start a conversation. The second step is to turn the conversation towards God. And so you can start a conversation talking about weather or talking about the good deal you got at the store, but then look for an opportunity to turn the conversation towards the things of God. If Jesus is inside of you, Jesus is what’s going to come out of you. So if you have a water balloon and you prick the water balloon with a pin, water is going to come out the same thing. If you’re full of Jesus and you start talking to someone, Jesus is going to come out of you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:17):
And so Jesus starts the conversation. They turn to the conversation towards God, but then he taps in to the holy Spirit’s help in order to minister to him. So he says, go call your husband and come back. And she says, I don’t have a husband. And Jesus says, that’s right. When you say you don’t have a husband, you’ve actually had five husbands. And the man you’re living with now is not your husband. And so Jesus had never met her before. He didn’t know anything about her, but he, he listened to the holy spirit and the holy spirit gave him what we would call a word of knowledge about her situation to help him to minister to her. And so I think that’s the third step to leading people to Jesus is to listen to the holy spirit. The holy spirit will give us the words to say and give us the leading the guiding to say exactly the right thing to help someone come to Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:12):
And then this woman does something that’s very interesting. A lot of people do it. They, they start a spiritual argument. You start witnessing to someone or telling them about Jesus and they want to argue with you. And Jesus doesn’t really argue with her. He just continues to love her. And he says, God is spirit and true worshipers must worship him in spirit and in truth. And so our goal is not to win arguments. Our goal is to win souls. And so even if people try to start a spiritual argument, it’s important to continue to love them. And then the thing I love that Jesus does, that is just perfect for talking about on your podcast, that the woman says, I know that Messiah is coming and Jesus declared I who speak to you, am he? And so Jesus revealed himself to the Samaritan woman. And that’s what your podcast is all about is revealing Jesus to people. And so if we want to bring people to God, what we have to do is we have to reveal Jesus. The more we can introduce people to Jesus, the more likely we are to bring them into a saving relationship with God, the father,

Christina Perera (14:26):
I love that so much. I, you said so many things that got me so excited. So number one, starting a conversation. You know, we lead street teams out on the street and I always tell people, you know, we don’t start with tracks. We don’t start with, you know, that kind of thing. We just start with a human connection, a human conversation, and what I’ve found in my experiences that people names believe it or not. They have stories, they have backgrounds, they have experiences. And when we start with that human connection, you know, then we, we can earn the opportunity to really then bring Jesus into the conversation. I love that Jesus was, Jesus was all about loving people. That was his main agenda, you know? And he, and he does that with the woman at the well, and he uses the holy spirit to speak to her. You know, a lot of believers out there. What would you, how would you help them use the holy spirit to speak, to potential people, to witness to what’s one thing you found in your past to help you do that?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:37):
Yeah. I actually wrote a whole book in order to answer this question, it’s called you can become a master soul winner, how to lead people to Jesus. And so that book can be found on our website, king ministries.com and also on Amazon, you can become a master soul winner by Daniel King. And in the book, I talk about some of the, the different fears that people face when they’re witnessing. I also give them some things that they can say to make it easier for them to start conversations. And so I love encouraging people to look for opportunities, to share Jesus with people, even if it’s something simple, like going on Facebook and sending someone a message and saying, Hey, I want you to know that I’m praying for you today. And then that can open up a conversation to begin talking about the things of God. And so there’s so many different ways that we can use to reach out to the loss, just our family members, our friends, or coworkers, even people on the other side of the world. There’s, there’s ways that we can, if we’ll begin looking for them, that we can tell people about Jesus and help bring them to having a relationship with God.

Christina Perera (16:52):
Mm. I love that so much. And you know, one of the things I’ve found about ministry is it’s, it’s wonderful to have, you know, these goals for ourselves, but it’s also important that we empower and we raise up the next generation of, of, of evangelists going out into the world, you know, and I love that you, you wrote that book and of course I will put links to your ministry and all of that thing in the sh in the show notes. So people can definitely you’re welcome. I can check that out there. So, but it’s, I think it’s wonderful that you’re raising, helping to raise up the next generation. Cause I’ve felt that, you know, as a burden as well to just help continue to send people out into the world and, you know, telling people about Jesus and, you know, the most beautiful thing I’ve found about having a living relationship with Jesus is that we all have a story and we all have a way to connect to another person. And we can use our stories of where God has brought us from to help then as, as a doorway into the lives of others. What’s what’s a really good story about where God has brought you from. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:07):
I want to talk about raising up the next generation because that is something that’s so important. I have had the opportunity the last couple of years to teach at the evangelism bootcamp, which is hosted by Christ for all nations led by Daniel Kolenda. The, the ministry that was founded by, by the great evangelist Reinhardt Bunky. And so last year they had 50 students this year. They had a hundred students and we go and teach them how to preach the gospel, how to have a compassion for the loss, how to clearly communicate the gospel. And so right now, those evangelists that we trained this year are in the country of Tanzania, in they’re going out into the marketplaces. They’re going from school to school all across the nation of Tanzania, working on setting up large evangelistic crusades in, in the last two weeks, Christina, they have led over half a million people to Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:13):
A team of a hundred evangelists has led over half a million people at Jesus over a two week period. And so all over the world, people are hungry for God. They are ready to come to Jesus. If someone will just go and tell them about Jesus. And so that’s why I so love your ministry. You’re, you’re raising people up to, to even go out to the streets and show love to people into bring Jesus revealed Jesus, to those who are hurting the most. I just love what God is calling you to do and what your ministry is.

Christina Perera (19:48):
Oh, thank you so much. Well, it’s, it’s a pleasure and it’s an honor. And you know, if you listen to, you know, what I, what I write when I preach what I teach, I just really believe Jesus is worthy of it all. I I do what I do out of an abundance of gratitude. And I’m just in awe in a wonder, in an absolute, ridiculous love that he first loved me with. And you know, I think when we, I, I love, I love what you’re equipping and it’s so funny because before we talked, I was like, if you have testimonies from Tanzania and I had no idea, that’s where you guys were working at, wow, that is so cool. Actually

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:34):
Be going to Tanzania. I just bought my plane tickets yesterday and we’re doing a, a large evangelistic campaign in a city where we’ll have anywhere from 40 to 50 people each night coming to hear about Jesus. And I go to different nations, all the world just recently, I was in Ethiopia and we did a large crusade. One night, we had about 7,000 people there. And I preached on the paralyzed man who was let down through the roof. And I remember that when I finished the sermon, I saw some people that left the back of the crowd. And as a preacher, you always kind of feel bad when people leave like that because, oh man, I did a bad job preaching, but I saw them leave. But then like 10 minutes later, I saw those same people come back and they were carrying a bed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:26):
And so the same way that the four friends brought someone on a bed to Jesus, they brought a bed and carried it over across the top of the crowd and laid that bed right in front of the platform because the person that they brought needed healing. And so we prayed and God did a tremendous miracle. I, I was in February, I was in Sierra Leone in Africa and we were in a little village. There was a boy, he was about seven years old and he was deaf in his left ear. And I told all the people, I said, take your hands and place it on your potty, your Bart body, where there’s pain. And, and so does the mother of this little boy, she took her hand and she placed it on her son’s ear. And we were praying for the sick. And as we were praying a black growth or like a black rock fell out of the boy’s ear into her hand.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:25):
And she said it was gross. She shook it off her hand and it fell to the ground. And then she tested her boys hearing in her boy that had been deaf for two years in that year was completely restored. He was able to hear, and he showed in front of the whole crowd that he was able to, to hear. And in every one of the CRA the village are clapping and dancing and shouting because they knew that God had done a miracle in that little boy’s life. They all knew him. They knew the problem that he had had. And so it was really a creative miracle as we were praying, God caused this growth to fall out of his ear, into his mother’s hand. And so we’ve seen miracles like that and all over the world. And, and, and what I like to say is that miracles are like the dinner bell that draw people to the banqueting table of heaven.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:16):
And so when people see the miracles, they, they, they see what Jesus is, is doing. It reveals Jesus in a very tangible way to them. And then people are willing to give their lives to Jesus, even people that, that are from other religions, Muslims, and Hindus, and, and other religions, they see the miracles and they say, wow, Jesus is real. I need to meet this Jesus. And so I’ve got all kinds of pictures and testimonies on my website, king ministries.com. You know, if people want to go there and look at all the pictures, they can see videos, you can see the miracles with your own eyes, what God is doing in different parts of the world.

Christina Perera (23:57):
Oh, I love that so much. You know, I, I love that Jesus is still so relevant today. You know, some people try to make him not relevant, or, you know, he’s not healing, or he’s not doing miracles. Like as long as humanity has a need, Jesus is still reaching out. He’s still healing. He’s still loving. He’s still ministering. He’s still calling us at the well, you know, he’s still revealing that he sees us and he loves us. And despite everything, isn’t that beautiful. It

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:34):
Is beautiful. And I like how Jesus at the well, with the Samaritan woman, he ministered to this woman. And she was a woman that had a lot of problems in her life. I’ve done some research into that story. And I found out that back then women would go to the well to get water either in the morning or in the evening. And they would all go together like today. You know, girls always go to the bathroom together. Well, back then, they always all went to the well together. They would gossip and they would talk while they were getting water. Well, this woman was there at the well at the noon time when the sun was high in the sky by herself. And it was because she had had five husbands. And the man she was living with was not her husband. She had stolen half the men in the village.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:18):
She had broken her relationships, but it was that woman who was hurting, who was broken, who needed love that Jesus was able to reach out to. And when he ministered to her, it changed her life. She ran back into the village and said, come and see a man who told me everything I ever did it. And she brings the whole village back to meet Jesus. And then it’s really interesting to the response of the, the disciples they had. They went into the village, but they didn’t bring a single person back to meet Jesus and Jesus, you can tell he’s a little bit upset at them. He says, lift up your eyes. Don’t you see the harvest? You say four more months until the harvest I tell you, the harvest is now, the harvest is ripe. And I think that’s what Jesus would say to us as a church today that the harvest is ripe. People are ready to come to Jesus. If we will just go and tell them about Jesus and I actually have several resources that I give away for free about reaching people for Jesus. So, you know, on my website, king ministries.com, if people will go there and, and give me your email address I will send you free of charge. Several of my eBooks about witnessing, about evangelism, about reaching people for Jesus, just tools will help you to, to lead other people to Jesus.

Christina Perera (26:48):
Nice. I love that so much. That’s beautiful. And, and it’s interesting because you know, that that woman at the well really became the first to be AngelList, but it,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:59):
And she’s a woman evangelists. God can use women evangelists.

Christina Perera (27:04):
Yes, absolutely. And you know, I think, you know, it’s not the gender that matters the male or the female. It’s, it’s the heart who’s encountered Jesus. Yeah. Those are the hearts. That’ll like you said, run into the village and bring others back better than these

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:22):
12 professional preachers. The 12 disciples that followed Jesus. I mean, they had seen Jesus do all of these miracles. They saw Jesus open blind eyes and heal the sick. And you, you know, there were people in the village that, that needed healing and they didn’t bring anyone back to Jesus. They didn’t say, Hey, oh, there’s a cripple man. You need to come and meet Jesus and he’ll heal you. No, but there’s one woman. She goes into the village and, and she manages to get the entire village to come and meet Jesus.

Christina Perera (27:49):
I love it. Love it, love it so much. Like, you know, just that one encounter with Jesus. It’s, it’s beautiful. So yes. Thank you so much for mentioning those resources. And again, I will totally put them up on the show notes for our listeners to help them get there. And that’s beautiful because I think sometimes we run a, we want to run into the village, but we’re not always sure how, you know, and I think just realizing that our own starting place with Jesus, our own, our own moment of the well is our starting point, you know?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:27):
Yes. Ma’am. Yeah. I’d like to mention another resource that I just published. That that’s really been on my heart lately. It’s, it’s a brand new book called proof. God is real. And I wrote this book specifically to help people to reach atheists. And the reason I wrote it is we go to all these different nations around the world and we see thousands of people pray with us for salvation. But I began to ask God, what can we do to reach people here in the United States? And I was at one little church in Missouri, and this mother came up to me and she was crying and say, please, could you pray for my son? And I thought her son was sick or something. So I said, let’s pray. And I said, what’s the matter he was saying? He said, well, he started looking at some videos on YouTube and following some atheists on Twitter.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:18):
And because of that, he has decided that he is an atheist. He was raised as a Christian, but now he’s decided to be an atheist. And so my heart just broke for that mom and I began to, I asked her for his phone number. I reached out to him and ministered to the, to the son. But then because of that, I began to research. What can we do to reach atheist people that in our own society that have decided that there is no God, they’re looking for proof that there is a God. And if they don’t find proof, they’re willing to turn their backs on Christianity. Even young people sometimes raised in Christian homes, they go to college, they face someone who has a few doubts and then they decide to turn their back on God, because they don’t have proof that God is real.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:06):
And so that’s why I wrote the book proof. God is real because I want to reach atheist here in America. And I also want to help protect our young people to inoculate them against the spirit of atheism. And so if you know someone who’s an atheist, this would be a great book to get for them. Or if you have a a young teenager in your home and you want to give your teenager reasons for why we believe this would be a great book to put in your teenager’s hand, before they go to college, they need to read it before they leave for college. And so that book proof God is real. It’s available on my website, king ministries.com, or you can find it on Amazon, just look for proof. God is real by Daniel King and you’ll be able to find it. But I, this is hot off the president is something that’s really on my heart because we need to do something to reach the people here in America. Yes, God is working in different nations around the world. But when you look at what is happening here in America, it just breaks the heart of God. And I believe we need a new great awakening of people turning back to God here in America. And I believe that that God can do it. He will do it. But he needs us to, to go after atheist and to love them back into the kingdom of God.

Christina Perera (31:26):
Yes. And, you know, I always tell people that one of the greatest mission fields is right here in the United States. I’ve just found there such people may have been raised in Christian homes, but they’ve never encountered a real Jesus through the power of the holy spirit. And I think that that is one of the best ways to inoculate against, you know, some of that, some of that thinking, you know, it’s hard, it’s hard to say to somebody, you know, that God’s not real when you’ve encountered them, encountered him yourself, you know, nobody could ever say to me, you know, Jesus doesn’t exist. That’d be like, dude, you’re crazy

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:06):
Because you know, you have a relationship with him.

Christina Perera (32:10):
Exactly. And just encountering him, just like that woman dead at the well, through the power of the holy spirit and him seeing and her seeing that, that, that she is known and loved anyway, despite her failings is so powerful. And it’s beautiful. Before we go, is there anything that you would like to pray for our just bless them and encourage them? It would be amazing if you’d like to. Yeah, absolutely.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:44):
We have talked today about the Samaritan woman at the well that, that Jesus ministered to and talked about people who are atheist and talked about people in different nations that don’t know Jesus, but what I’d really like to pray for, for your listeners is, is anyone in your life that doesn’t know, Jesus, maybe it’s a family member. Maybe it’s a friend. Maybe it’s an aunt, uncle, whoever it is. If you would just speak their name out loud to God right now, and let’s lift them up to God and, and pray for them to be saved, pray that Jesus would be revealed to them. And I believe that that as we pray, our prayers will be powerful and that God will send someone across their path. And so let let’s pray. Dear heavenly father, I pray for all of Christina’s listeners right now.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (33:39):
Lord, I pray right now, as you’re listening, just speak the name out loud of the person, you know, that needs Jesus, your family member, a friend, someone that is close to you, someone that has turned away from God, just speak their name out loud right now, father, I pray that you would bring someone across this person’s path that would reveal Jesus to them. And Lord, I pray that these atheists, these people that have turned away from God would come back to God that they would come back to the father’s house, that they would turn back to Jesus Lord. I pray that you would make yourself real to them, that they would have a divine encounter with Jesus, with the holy spirit. And Lord, I pray that you would give us the passion in the boldness to be a witness, to, to tell others about Jesus, fill our hearts with your compassion Lord, that we would have the same compassion that Jesus felt when he looked at the people who were lost and helpless like sheep without a shepherd father, fill our hearts with compassion for the loss today, and use us to bring many people to Jesus in Jesus name.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:57):
Amen, man, man, I’m so glad to have the opportunity to pray for you today. You know, I’m passionate about leading people to Jesus. If you want to help us lead people to just go to my website, king ministries.com, and you can find lots of information about how you can be a part of helping us to lead people to Jesus in order to go to different nations around the world often it’s expensive to do crusades. And so we have partners and friends that help us out. And, and I’ve found that for every dollar that people give us, we’re able to lead at least one person to Jesus over the course of our ministry. Every time someone’s given us a dollar, we’ve been able to lead at least one person to Jesus for that. And so I ask people, I say, if you could just give $1 a month, if you just become a like for $1 a month, you could be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And so I ask people, you know, just go to my website, king ministries.com, you know, give at least $1 a month. You know, some people can give more, but if you could do at least $1, you could have a massive impact in someone’s life for eternity. So man, Christina, thank you so much for, for inviting me on the podcast. It’s, it’s such a privilege to talk to you today.

Christina Perera (36:10):
Thank you so much for being here with me today. And I hope, and I pray that this has blessed our listeners and I hope it’s encouraged them to just take their stories and encounter people, right, where they are.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:23):
Thanks for listening to The Evangelism Podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me, to help lead people to Jesus for as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (37:26):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

 

Do Lal | Missionary to Myanmar

My friend Do Lal is being used by God to reach people for Jesus in Myanmar, also known as Burma. This nation of 54 million people is 89 percent Buddhist and it has 135 distinct people groups, many of them are completely unreached. Today he shares about innovative ways he is reaching out to the people of this nation in the middle of the 10/40 window.

Questions: 

How did you start doing crusades in Myanmar?

What fruit have you seen in Myanmar?

What was it like to leave your job as a car salesman and launch out into ministry?

How are you using the Internet to reach people in Myanmar?

How many unreached people groups live in Myanmar?

What does John 3:16 mean to you?

What happened when a witchdoctor put poison in your tea?

 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/do.lal.9

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
My friend Do Lal us being used by God to reach people for Jesus in Myanmar, also known as Burma. This nation of 54 million people is 89% Buddhist, and it has 135 distinct people groups. Many of which are completely unreached today. He shares about innovative ways he is reaching out to the people of this nation in the middle of the 10/40 window.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:27):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:02):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest Do Lal is from the nation of Myanmar. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Do Lal (01:18):
Thank you brother Daniel. Thank you very much. I’m so blessed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:21):
Well, let’s start by talking about how we became friends. You have a son whose name is go. Yes. And he is friends with my son, Caleb ever since they were both in preschool together. And so one day both of us were attending parent teacher day at victory where our kids were both in school. And I sat next to you and you introduced yourself. And, and I introduced myself and I asked you, where are you from? And you said, you’re from Myanmar. I said, Oh, I always wanted to go to Myanmar because I’m a missionary. And I want to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature and every nation. And you said, well, why don’t you come to Myanmar? What prompted you that first time to invite me to come to Myanmar?

Do Lal (02:14):
That that moment is like I’ve been questioning God a lot to going to full time or in a [inaudible]. but I don’t know how to go in when, and, but I, my grandpa and my dad, they already in the ministry, they are being in there. but for me, it’s like always want to be there and doing something for the pupil for Jesus. And, but I know it and I need someone and it will be partner. And I’ve been praying for that during this time. And when you bring it out with you, praying for me and my, and I also asked in God that he will be or when I can, the new and how so you are my prayer answer. So, so good to

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:00):
Be an answer to prayer. And I find that when, when people start praying and say, God helped me to go into full-time ministry. God makes a way for that to happen. It’s that time you were actually a car sales menu or just working normal jobs, selling cars, but you were a little bit dissatisfied. You wanted to help people, not just sell cars, but to help people make their way to heaven, to change their eternal destinies. It is. And so you and I went together to Myanmar your father, there is a pastor has a wonderful ministry. Your grandfather was a ministry in Myanmar as well. And your father’s name is go, your name is Do, and then your son is Go. So Go Do Go. Yes. but you invited us to come to the city where your father lives. And we went in and did a crusade there. What do you remember about that crusade? It’s just

Do Lal (04:01):
For my life and my my whole life that is first time that I saw a large crowd that you, or first time that I host that much, or like in drew during, or, or everything that I did my whole life, that is one of the largest crowd that it’s just every night miracles and wonders happen, and pupil coming more and more and Dade and night seminar and the campaign it’s, it’s so amazing. First time that I saw that, like that happened in my whole life. So it just so problem what it call and so good for me that make me too hungry guru more for Jesus. And that is the first step that makes me, I’m going to do this for my whole life.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:58):
Really caught a vision for preaching the gospel and bringing people to Jesus. I remember that that was a really wonderful crusade. God did many miracles, even some young teenagers that were drug addicts say came off the street. They say prayed to Jesus, Jesus set them free from drugs. It was tremendous. We also had a little bit of opposition in that crusade. I remember the last night, there were some teenagers that were Buddhists and, and maybe they were, they were mad that some of their friends had gotten set free from drugs. And so they started to throw rocks and stones and actually had a little riot. And your uncle was there trying to protect the gate. And one of the stones hit them on the head. And we went to the hospital the next day to visit him because he was really quite seriously injured.

Do Lal (05:55):
He was in a hospital for five days up to that. He able to discharge from the hospital.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:02):
Yeah. And so your family has really paid a price for preaching the gospel there in Myanmar. And I’m so proud of you because you took that experience, doing that first crusade and use it. I want to do more crusades in Myanmar. And so you started inviting other friends. You actually quit your job here in Tulsa, and you joined why wham, you went out to Kona, Hawaii and went through the discipleship training school that has which what a great place to go. Beautiful. Yes, yes. And you, you decided to launch out full-time into ministry and you’ve been doing other crusades since that, that first crusade that, that you and I did together. Tell me some of the crusades that you have organized and what God has done in those events.

Do Lal (06:53):
I mean, it just, before we doing the first campaign or the first crusade you call in me and my, you and I, and Kevin, Kevin stock that our friend yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:03):
Going to start from team extreme, he’s also works with Y wham and has a team of, of strength guys who rip up phone books and lift heavy things and

Do Lal (07:15):
Frying pan, or you rip

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:17):
A frying pan and hammer or twist it up. Yeah, there, there, there, there blow up hot water bottles. And, and of course, people love to come see those feats of strength, but then along with every feat of strength, they preach the gospel and tell people about Jesus. Yes. So before

Do Lal (07:34):
The first campaign that we did I saw it, the full American hand is raising and I’m in the middle of that in my vision where I’m praying in ORU prayer tower. And I did seven days fasting and prayer and ask the Lord what he wanted me to do for for me and my, and for moderate pupils. I mean, out of country. And I saw the tons of little like heals and Valley fool. He was a Valley harvest, beautiful coming back to Jesus and former can hand raising my hand. And I didn’t know what is that men, but Opta, we, when, to me and ma you and Kevin for America and become to American racing, like I felt like they raised me up to do these. And I really felt that his his, his first step and it just gave me, teach me a lot.

Do Lal (08:26):
And also it encouraged me to go in more so to debt. I saw him visa in the first campaign that we did, and I totally understand what is that reason mean for American hand, raising my hand. And from that started hungry for a gospel. And I want to see in our country for more campaign and I praise and honor the Lord. And I felt to join in Weiwei before I joined Weiwei on, we did it three, four auto campaign. And why one, we did a five, six, seven, eight, nine camping, total Woodway one. So it’s like, everything’s, every time is different, every location, but anytime we want to do campaign and me and my pupils who are hungry, they are ready for Jesus. And people come up in a phone and willing to give their life to Jesus and people got healed. And that meant me excited. And so right still today, I really want to go back and do campaigning again. And, but all that happened right now, it just kind of stopped me and then stopped me here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:40):
Yeah. So how many campaigns have you done since that first campaign that we did together?

Do Lal (09:46):
17 total in 14 different locations and yes,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:50):
That’s amazing 17 campaigns, many different places across Myanmar. Approximately how many people total do you think have come to those 17 campaigns? Do you know? It’ll

Do Lal (10:04):
Be 300,000. Wow.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:06):
Yes. So in our first event that we did, it really wasn’t that big. We had maybe about 8,000 people. So since then you caught the vision and over 300,000 people in Myanmar have come to hear the gospel. Many people got saved, many miracles. Yes. many tremendous things happen. And you’ve also recently started to develop a very innovative way of reaching out to people in Myanmar. And it’s using your Facebook page. Tell me a little bit about that. Yeah.

Do Lal (10:43):
That is I want to give a credit to whoever started that. But, but he don’t want to bring it up his name in a public, but I will give him a credit who started his one of my friends is in from us and he walked in some kind of engineering and cyber, and he find out the idea that that he can like the business pupils using advertised system, like the ad system in Facebook and YouTube. And he kind of realizing that, and he try it like some out of country seven years ago and he selected locations and that it’s all working. And when we look at me and my every 5 cents can read like a thousand pupil would every 5 cents.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:28):
Wow. That’s amazing. Like here in the United States, Facebook advertising is pretty expensive. I mean, you could pay a dollar for every click here in the United States, but in Myanmar, there’s probably far fewer people that are using the platform. So it’s much more economical. So for 5 cents you can have a thousand people see the ad. That’s amazing.

Do Lal (11:55):
So when we spent a hundred dollars from the app, we put in a Facebook advertise system and we pay a hundred dollars. It can reach up to almost 2 million pupil and we put it up like one month and we selected the locations with a Goggle Google map until we select the location. Everyone that use Facebook in that area have to see that advertised gospel. So when they open up their Facebook, even though they don’t want to see it, they cannot skip it. They have to seeing it, that gospel man.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:30):
And not just once, but over and over and over again the whole, my whole month.

Do Lal (12:35):
Or like pupil mocking and playing with that day kind of mad at some Buddhism. And they kind of upset, but some Mo like two third of them are hungry to know more and accept Jesus Christ. And they replied back. They willing to accept Jesus Christ through message. And we have also seven teams in the nation right now 40 Bupa it’s team. We put it like five and some kind of a team leader. Totally. We have like 40 pupils walking every day. And we sent him out the golfs gospel message, advertise system after the customer, what they call the pupil rest bond. And we applied it back with

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:18):
Can you start a conversation with them? You begin to talk to them and is it all on, on Facebook or do you also use telephone to reach people we can do as a WhatsApp.

Do Lal (13:28):
Okay. Right, right now. But we use only Facebook and it’s fine

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:33):
Starting a conversation with them. And, and maybe it’s somebody who’s never heard about Jesus before, but you can begin to share the good news about Jesus share Christian songs with them. Yes. And what a tremendous impact that has had, how many people do you think have seen those advertisements and then how many people have responded

Do Lal (13:58):
Right now? It just 3 million pupil already seeing it seen last year that we start doing it. And almost one years now, during this one year period, three millions in a nations, Burmese, people already seen it. And we see like 70,000 people bore very impressive and like three thousands already accepted Jesus Christ for their Lord and savior through that. So it’s a very,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:22):
You’ve trained up these teams yes. About 40 evangelists in different teams and different places around us that are actively every day evangelizing using the power of the internet. You know, Jesus said to become fishers of men. And in order to catch fish, you need to use a net. So I think God created the internet just for evangelists to use. You know, sometimes you can go preach on the street corner, but you can also use technology in innovative ways to reach people, even in nations, that that often are closed, that are very difficult to go into is, can have an impact using the internet. And so I thank God for every tool we have available to us. Yes. It’s amazing that that even people here in the United States could invest in reaching people and me and Martin. And it doesn’t take very much, just a few hundred dollars. You can have millions of impressions. It is

Do Lal (15:24):
A hundred dollars. You can read up to 2 million pupil through Facebook. So it’s just like,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:32):
So you have launched out into full-time ministry. You’ve made that commitment to serve God, you have a family. How many children do you have? Four children, two boys, two girls, two boys, two girls. So that’s a huge step of faith to do that. Talk to me a little bit about how that has happened and how God has honored your faith.

Do Lal (15:54):
Well that is a huge challenge. I mean, it’s, I’ve been considering and thinking about my family since August 14, 2015, God, and I encounter with the Holy spirit that night horror spirit raped me out, what it call whole night crying for the source and crying out. And my whole life had changed from there. And I see the way that I, the way that I see the war and the way that I see things, and I believe God has given his eye for the pupil of Myanmar and our pupil group in a word. So up to death, I’d been like thinking and ask the Lord, God, I want to go serve you. But when I look at my family is kind of a challenge with the children’s and live in America as Asian America, what they call a Burmese America first generation.

Do Lal (16:49):
And so I don’t look in my family, but I really want to go, but I have no idea how I’m going to live like it. So I’ve been thinking the whole year’s of 2000 fifteens and also the whole year almost uptight thinking about 2015, January, 2016, February, 2016, March, 2016, that March 16, 2016, that morning med two eight. And I think Luke NEI talking about that one guys Oxy, Jesus, I think I think it just, the guys told to Jesus and Jesus, I want to follow you, but first let me bear in. My dad died. Jesus. I want to follow you. But first let me talk with my family, that, that kind of Bible verse, that Bible verse hating me in that morning, March 16, 2016, Wednesday morning. And I up my Bible in Carlo salesmen, my office in South point Chevy, you know, and I opening up and then what I look at, I read it before, but that morning it’s like, it seemed like that Bible verse pointing me.

Do Lal (18:03):
You always saying, no, I, I w I, I invite my disciplers when I invite them. Some are denying like against what I invite. But summer that one, my disciple work, all of them saying yes, right away in the midst of they are aware, they yet I called Matthew. He’s a tech collector. He’d say, yes, I’ll follow you. Are you willing to follow me that morning? Or are you going to keep saying, my kids are still so young and I might still need to pay you keep saying like that, or are you going to follow me? I felt that morning. And I I’m calling. I called my wife and I talked to her and I asked her how you think, honey? And she said, I felt these. So so long, it’s up to you. And I believe God provide provided. So from there I quit my job. I told my manager today’s my last day, without giving 20 days notice from there, it’s kind of a challenge, but every month God is faithful and God is providing until today.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:08):
Yes. Wow. What a tremendous miracle. And you have a vision to say, organize lots of ministry for the nation of Myanmar. I remember the last time we were there I went a second time to do a crusade in, in Tetum about a year ago. And when we were there, you showed me a piece of property where you have a heart to, to, to build a facility, to reach out to young people. And, and you’re actively doing ministry in, in the nation of Myanmar. You along with your father. Tell me some about what your you want to do.

Do Lal (19:46):
Yes. what I look me and my God is giving, as I said, God has given me his eyes. What I looked Myanmar I seen as Myanmar for Saudis has like a Brit, me and my is holding the most important country in Southeast Asia. When I, when I look today where it’s 10 40 windows and where’s the most unreached pupil is next to me and ma like Bangladesh, India, China, Taiwan, Taiwan, and everywhere. When we look at, and when I pray to me and my God is showing me the way the land. Yes. And the more you change in Myanmar, the impact will come into Saudis, Asia, China, and India. And I seen it very important to change me and ma so when I look at two things, one like one nations or a country, we need to change from a next generation from kindergarten to high school, high school to call each and all generations.

Do Lal (20:51):
So I find out, and God is giving me some strategy how we can train, train and change the next generation. So we start making some we call a sport ministry. And also we have school that is, is kind of often school. But when you call orphan is like three different kinds of offerings. Some are no more parents. Some are single parents, some are both parents, but they all have a hard time to go in a school or their own budget. But we provide two seasons in night class and they, we hire nine teachers, some kind of ministry. We have like five different ministry. We running, helping the community. And also we have food packet care, food packet cares, giving out. As we given out, we share. So we training and sending out and also sharing with the community and my heart. It changed me and ma to become Christian nations and becoming a ascending nations. So as me and my become a Christian nation, God would change the urine pupil and to go out to the next country like India and China and Bangladesh and Thailand and Laos that ceramic.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:07):
So me, Omar can become a light to that entire region of the world. I believe that’s possible. Myanmar in many ways is very odd unreached. There are tribes in Myanmar that have very few Christians that would be considered unreached people groups. And so last time that we went, we, we went to a museum in Yangon, and I remember up on the fifth floor of the museum, they had different displays from the different ethnic people, groups, different language groups in Myanmar, and each different ethnic group has a different costume, has different cultural practices. They look different, they speak different language. They are uniquely different. And there’s actually over a hundred different distinctive groups. Yes.

Do Lal (23:04):
GMR, yes. A hundred, 135,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:07):
135. So that’s a lot. And some of the tribes in Myanmar have turned to Jesus. So, so what’s your ethnic background? What’s your tribe? Zomi Zomi. And so the zoomies, yes. They were reached by some Baptist missionaries back in the late 18 hundreds. Yes. And to this day, many zoomies are serving the Lord. And, and in fact many of them live here in, in Tulsa, Oklahoma. There’s about 15,000 Burmese people here in Tulsa. Many of them are Zomi that came here, fleeing religious persecution over the last 50 years. Yes. And so, so some tribes, you know, you would have 30, 40, 50% of the people in the tribe that are Christian, but there are other tribes in Myanmar that there is not a single church in there,

Do Lal (24:05):
Which group by 58, five are not hearing about Jesus yet in a nascent mid-May.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:12):
And so I’m really praying that God will raise up those who are reached yes. To reach out to these other people. So thank God for these missionaries that came in minister to the Zumiez back in the late 18 hundreds. But now I think that like the, the, the Burmese people that are here in Tulsa, they have a responsibility to raise up missionaries, send them back to Myanmar. Yes. And even also to, to help with funding the gospel, sending it back to me, EMR. Yes. Because somebody paid for those missionaries back in the 18 hundreds. Yes. So come to me, Omar. Well now we have Burmese people that are doing very well here in Tulsa. They drive nice cars. They like driving nice cars. And you know, they’re, they’re, they’re very successful. They work very hard. They’re a great blessing to, to America. But now I think God has blessed them and they can be a blessing back to the nation of Myanmar. Yes. Who will reach those unreached people, groups, someone needs to go. And so I believe God will raise up people from within the Burmese community here in America to go to Burma and to preach the guy

Do Lal (25:34):
Possible. Yes. And that it’s, I agreed that. And also ongoing training under my dad organizations from Zomi Baptist conventions they have a mission organization called Gaetan mission. They sending out like 78 full-time mission evangelism. What do you call their full timer ongoing right now? And they winning every day soul winning and also our ministry in my dad and me. We have a mission school. We call Asian international mission school. We training 40 next generation youth people hungry for the gospel. So through Junes and also in in Atlanta, they training. And also they go out and going out practical every weeks and everywhere they yet. So it’s just ongoing right now. I’m so excited. What is God going to do in a nascent of Myanmar?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:33):
I really love what your father is doing. Raising up missionaries. These are Burmese missionaries that are being raised up and in Burma to go out to the reached tribes of Burma. And most of their support comes from within Burma and from the Burmese churches from around the world. Yes. Which is a miracle it’s, it’s really amazing that God is doing that. It easily

Do Lal (27:01):
Beautiful. Yeah. God is providing. Yeah. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:06):
I love John three 16. He has an evangelist. What has God been sharing with you about John three, six

Do Lal (27:13):
16? I mean, it’s just, I one, I, I mean, John three 16 is as I’m going up in increasing family. I memorize that verse when I was little. I, I believe every Christian Love that verse and I’m in it just like, it’s always been a verse in my life that, but during this time as, or pandemic and what happened in my life and what it’s, I’ve been through, what is bringing through in my country, what is going on wrong? So the more I things and di and ask the Lord, and first I find out who is God, I’m starting there. Who is God? And like, I’m like, keep thinking the suns and moon and all kinds of creation. And I found in the Bible, God is like Sue bright and no one allowed to see, or no one can see it. God is super powerful. And even Moses say, I’m Sue scare. And I’m an Israel I told Moses, please tell your God, stop making that noise. We will be die if we hear that noise again in a Bible. So God is when I, when I think about who is God, and that sends come out, God is a God that God is a God Kings up King.

Do Lal (28:40):
And he is our creator. He is controlling. Everything’s his Mo the most powerful God that he created us. So the more I think it’s something that’s come out somewhat the greatest, the greatest God, there’s a lot of gods in the, or like pupil believe in different system, but he is the greatest. He is our creator. So the greatest doing something to a pupil, what he did, what he does is that great testing, John three 16, God. So loved the world. First. He did. He does lop. Sue laugh.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:34):
God loves the world. So laugh. So love. God loves me, Omar. Yes, God loves me. And God love

Do Lal (29:42):
Me. And so love. And because he’s so loved, he questioning himself and what it can do for these unique pupil, beautiful pupil, all the prize that will be matched with only, only my B only son will be matched their parts. So he gives the great test, give to us one of the only that he have the greatest gift up to debt, whoever belief, and he give the greatest fake. So whoever have that greatest fate and believe have the great test life, which mean internety life it turn into life is not like something that we are feeling cold yesterday and feeling warm today and heart yesterday. Good. A little bit better today. Internally live it all the time. The same in good life with Jesus and with God, I think it’s what I’ve been through in this is like God Sula the war. And he gave his only son and who served believe or have internety life. That is just speak to me a lot. So,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (31:11):
Amen. That is a good verse for, for every evangelist. Now, right now the nation of Myanmar needs

Do Lal (31:20):
A lot of prayer. Yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (31:22):
There is a lot of political turmoil going on. If you watch the news, you can see us some of what is happening there. And so if you’re listening today, I would encourage you to pray for the nation of Myanmar. Yes. Pray that there would be peace in Myanmar. Yes. Pray that the gospel will continue to spread, pray that there would be open doors to be able to share the gospel with people, pray for protection for the servants of God that live there in the nation of Myanmar. Yes. And I’d also encourage you to pray for my friend dough with me. He has a heart for me, Omar. He is actively working to, to minister in Myanmar to, to coordinate different groups that have a heart for ministry in Myanmar. And so even though there’s political turmoil, the gospel continues to move forward. Amen is still, and I’d encourage you. If you have a heart for me, Amar, get connected to DOE. If you want to support him, support his family, I’d encourage you to get connected to him. I’ll put a link to his Facebook page in my, my website, so that can connect to him. I heard that one time which doctor put poison in your tea? What happened?

Do Lal (32:47):
Yes. that is right. That is 2018 at blue. First outreach DTS team from Y one corner. Then we went to Myanmar and [inaudible] and mounting and kind of him heme liars villages in Nepal. If anybody hear or see it before. So small village, 35 household, and we are hosing 18 villages together in that relay. We inviting people from a wrong that’s surrounding village. So eight, 10 religious 18 villages coming together in that village. There is a witchcraft doctor that we didn’t know, and we did his first night. We arrive. And when we arrive, before we arrived, we are about to arrive that village life 4:30 PM. But the witchcraft doctor already know ahead. We are coming. So he make it something. And I think he can literally make some water to becoming that water. So it had kind of jungle village.

Do Lal (33:59):
When you have a bad winter the road become a muddy and you cannot drive in a car and our car is stuck and a lot of your people are helping us. And even they post, we able to enter into a village 11:00 PM at night. So with beak rains and bigs kind of storm and Woodmont, all of our shirts wet and so cold, almost freezing. So the time the local people providing us local milk tea with a small cup and kind of would milk and smell good and hot. And that moment is so good. And I even told him, this is the best tea ever that I’ve ever tasted in my whole life. This is the best tea. And I didn’t know that that witchcraft doctor is there. So he put a poison in that night and the next day he come and meet us in a morning with a smiling face and kind of checking what had happening around here.

Do Lal (35:01):
So that day we starting at 10:00 AM for what’s it called a seminar. So the morning session, two of my friend did it and optimal and says that I’m about to start doing giving out people a whole authority believer of God, like how, how, like authority of believer. And I’m about to share that. And the moment I am about to share what I prepare and I fold the horror speech saying that the horsepower is telling me that there is someone doing witchcraft. I like Sue string in my money. That’s maybe what? Maybe for my flesh or no, it’s just like a lot of people that seem like very excited for Jesus. So maybe, maybe my thought, and I’m trying to pray over it, but again, it’s coming again. So I’m like, okay, God, I’m here. Just me, whatever. So that moment I felt to us, everyone, and I let everyone like closing their eyes and asking them, no one raised their hand.

Do Lal (36:03):
If anybody doing witchcraft stuff or anything, please raise your hand. No one raised their hand and opposite that people look at you. Like you are like getting the of knowledge in a local, small village. Everyone eyes look at you like in something kind of wrong looking, you know, like, what is wrong with this guy? Something I’d have to dead. I let everyone bow and Aston again. And no one raised their hand. I’m like, God, I knew it. That is you. But what happened? No one raised their hand. Did I just make it up? No, I didn’t make it up. I know this from you Lord. I’m like, okay, maybe no one here, maybe somewhere. So as I’m continuing doing my preparations, my no. And going back and my no, try to give them a similar, I personally, five minute, but that is the longest five minutes I ever felt I can go with.

Do Lal (37:05):
It’s something it stopping me. And like, I try to talk, my throat is di I try to do it. I can get it. And even though my notes becoming like blinking, boring, and I can’t really add. I’m like, what kind of feeling is at the moment, God, what should I do? And I felt inside of me saying, just let it finish today. So I’m S I’m about having another 45 minutes to go, but I let finish that on the time. Then I tell everyone soon as you guy from a different village, let have fellowship time, good time. And we’re going to finish by here. So I just pray. And Lily’s everyone up to everyone gone. That was scrapped. Dr. Wood here is coming from the back until me, my friend, everything, what you had share that is me. You know what, yesterday I put an, a poison in your tea.

Do Lal (38:06):
I would like to ask your forgiveness. Every time I did something that is happened instantly. Like I saw it in front of my eyes, but today I know I, and I knew it. My witchcraft is kind of powerful, but your God is more powerful. I want to trust that. And I want to believe, can you pray for me and me? And two of my DTS team leaders, we over for him. And we went to his house and we give hemo chins. And he brought down all of his witchcraft stuff. And I have a video here with me today’s and from that day he gave his life diseases. And till today is make a difference. And he he leave a life with Christ and wow,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (38:58):
In Mark 16, Jesus says, if you drink any deadly thing, it shall not harm you. So the witch doctor tried to put poison in your tea, but it didn’t affect you. You just drank it and said, wow, that was the best tea I ever had. And then the next day you were preaching, gave the word of knowledge that there was someone doing witchcraft. No one responded until after everybody left. Yes. As men came up and said, no, that was me. I was trying to put a curse on you. I was trying to kill you to witchcraft against you. And he got saved because of that and destroyed all of his witchcraft items. What a tremendous testimony. Now, God also did a great miracle for you last year. You were in the hospital because of Corona virus, but you survived. It is praise the Lord about that miracle. Yes. I’m only in the hospital for two months. Wow. Only two months.

Do Lal (39:57):
Yeah. I mean, it’s just kind of hard with four kids and my wife and, you know, it’s just very, very I mean, it’s rare that virus is, but you know, Jesus, he’s the same yesterday, today and forever. I would say that. It’s just what I was eating this. I won’t make it today. Everyone pray for me. I know it’s sometimes

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (40:18):
I rang every day. I was praying every day for you. Because as like, God, we need DOE we need dope. You’ve given us such a vision for the nation of Myanmar. And I’m so happy to see you now healthy and strong in front of this.

Do Lal (40:33):
Yes. Thank you for all the prayers that from around the nations, that all my good friend and believe in diseases and crying out together. And without that prayers, I’m not going to make it today’s. And I mean, it’s just, again, doctor giving up my life and they call my wife and they told har, this is what we can do. We put ventilator, we could put at moon missions. I don’t know what his moon mission is kind of really, but they call an animal, but it just wherever put using their body for is, is kind of the tough. So opt to debt is still the same. And they told my, my doctor told my wife, his lungs was frozen for 48 hours and not working at all. We try to do it our best, but seemed like he not gonna make it. So we want to let you know that, be ready for whatever, going to be as nicely, but it’s deep and heartful horror.

Do Lal (41:35):
But that moment see cried out to the Lord and see challenge God and everyone that from around the nations, a friend like Daniels, you and a friend from COVID-19, a friend from the part of friend from Pakistan Brazils and not different nations. And [inaudible] my parents, my church back home, everyone crying out to God. The doctor tried to remove the next day, my tubing system that helped me bread. That makes me alive. They decided to remove the next day, the same day that our early in the morning, four 30, my lungs was frozen for 48 hours, but it’s coming back alive, like 40% that day. So Jesus is doing something in a miracle. I knew he’s still moving and he’s still make it different. And I knew it’s. I also saw that to laugh one and my or to call honor pupils in my loved one are gone because of COVID. I don’t know what is going to wrong, what has happened, but I would say, God is not finished with me yet. And he’s still have a plan for you and me. What America? A man. Yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:55):
Brother Do, Let’s finish up with a prayer for the nation of Myanmar. Yes. Would you lead us in a prayer for, for the gospel to be able to reach these 135 people groups in the nation?

Do Lal (43:09):
Yes. Before we pray, I’ll brief Sharon about me and mommy and my is 54 millions pupil populations and 89% of Buddhists of the whole populations increase. And it’s like 7.5% for the populations. And Muslim is like 2.3%. And so otters or a hundred percent or Hindu Ziems and not a religion. So as we praying for me and my me and my is a very strong war, Buddhism nations. So please pray for that pupil or encounter with Jesus. Yes. Let’s pray just to God. Are we praying for the nation of Myanmar right now? And thank you Jesus, for what you’re paying for the prize for everyone in these art. And I’m so thankful of what you’re doing then for me and my pupil. And right now I pray men must still be safe in the name of Jesus revival happen in Myanmar right now. And father God, I pray everyone everywhere they at right now, there’ll be in cornering.

Do Lal (44:19):
Why would you Lord? And right now I pray for everyone that is staying in under these crisis situations up to pandemic. And after this going wrong with military COF and what is happening in Myanmar right now, I pray for everyone. There’ll be get peace and joyful life and revival in a nascent Myanmar in Jesus name. Amen. Well dope. Thank you so much for joining me today. And we will continue to pray for Myanmar and I know the day will come where we will be able to go back to Myanmar and see God do amazing things there. God bless you. And thank you for being on the program. Thank you very much. God bless you. Thank you

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Mike Signorelli | Giving Atheists Proof God is Real

Mike Signorelli is the founder and lead pastor of V1 Church in New York City. He used to be an atheist but a friend led him to the Lord over the course of a year. In today’s podcast, we talk about my new book designed to rescue atheists from hell. The book is called Proof God is Real.

Website: www.mikesignorelli.com 

Proof God is Real is a great book to give to atheists and it is a good book to give to your teenagers before they leave for collage so they will not lose their faith the first time they hear someone challenge Christianity.

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Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Mike Signorelli is the founder and lead pastor of V1 church in New York city. He used to be an atheist, but a friend led him to the Lord over the course of a year in today’s podcast. We talk about my new book designed to rescue atheists from hell. The book is called PROOF God is real.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:23):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:00):
Hi, this is Daniel King and missionary evangelists, and I’m passionate about leading people to Jesus. Recently, I was invited to be on a podcast with pastor Mike singer reli from V1 church in New York city. And we talked about how to reach atheists with the gospel. It was such a great interview that I decided to give it to you on my podcast. So here is pastor Mike interviewing me about my new book proof. God is real.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (01:35):
Hey, this is pastor Mike Signorelli, the lead pastor of V1 church coming at you live from Queens, New York city. I know you can’t tell cause over my shoulders, just a white wall and it usually I’m walking the streets of New York city going live. But I’m in studio today because I have a very special guests and I am so excited for him to jump in here in the next few minutes, Dr. Daniel King, I know many of you have a friends and family members that have stopped believing they’ve left the faith. We’ve even seen high profile theologians recently, renounced Christianity and walk away and post emotional videos where they’re crying and talking about how relieved they are, that they’re no longer a Christian. How many of you know that it is more important now than ever that we get the word out and that we confront the spirit of atheism? You know we know that we are fighting a spiritual battle and yes, we must be equipped on an intellectual level on an emotional level, but we cannot forsake the spiritual reality to what we’re seeing today. Guys, I know today is going to be off the charts and here’s why I am only 40 seconds in and we have 110 people watching already. But if this is a spiritual battle, I need everybody to do their part because we don’t have audiences. We have armies, okay. And all have a position and they all have an assignment. So here’s your assignment right now. I need you to hit the share button. If you’re a part of this army who believes that we need to put the truth out there for the entire world to hear and confront atheism because this spirit has robbed so many people of their destiny.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (03:18):
So many people have their calling. So many it’s ravaged families, and we’re going to make the devil pay today. Like we are literally going to fight back. We are not just a defensive army. You know, when you look at the the armor of God, it is not just defensive. We have the sword of the spirit we’re fighting back today. We have almost 200 people watching in the first two minutes. So I need you all to share right now. I’m serious. I need you to subscribe on YouTube, hit that subscribe button, hit the gray thumbs up, make it blue. And then on, on Facebook, any and every group that you’re a part of, like literally, if you’re a part of a mommy’s group in your neighborhood’s share this because we’re talking about atheism and there’s going to be moms in your neighborhoods that are a part of your Facebook mommy group that are like, you know what I used to believe, but now I don’t, I’ll check this out.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (04:11):
Maybe you’re watching right now because someone already shared guys is go time. We’ve got 200 people watching in the first two minutes. Come on. You know, let me just tell you, I want to prophesize just to start this thing off. Okay. And we need to start praying the prayers that sound like prophecy because that’s an activation of faith. Okay? I believe that during this broadcast, a spiritual blindness will, will be eradicated. That eyes will be opened. That scales will be removed. I mean, you guys know my story. I used to be an atheist myself and God, just miraculously and divinely connected me to a man named Lamont King black. This is his real name. And he was an Ivy league, educated theologian. I moved into a house during college. Didn’t even know that I was moving in with a theologian. I brought all of my worries, all of my concerns, all of my problems with scripture, the discrepancies that I saw to this man and over the course of the, of the year, this random guy that I moved in.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (05:16):
But how many of you know, there’s no coincidences in the kingdom of heaven, just divine confirmation, divine appointments. And over the course of the year, Lamont King black, this random guy moved into, but it wasn’t so random. Begin to take me on a journey of dealing with all of my questions, all of my concerns, all of the things that I struggled with in scripture. And I found myself one year later re rededicating my life to Christ. The rest is history. Now you guys know me as pastor Mike, so today’s broadcast. I’m going to prophesied. I’m going to declare it now. Before this broadcast is over, I believe that we will see in the chat, come on. People who are, are literally saying, I started this broadcast in atheist and I left a believer, a true believer. So we are on a mission today, guys.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (06:07):
And I want you to lift up your faith, like never before. Somebody says in the chat, look at this comment, a Saul becoming Paul, come on watching from Mississippi. I even saw some of the comments right now. I can’t even keep up with them. They’re going crazy. I even saw some of the comments right now saying that you jumped over to Facebook just to share and that you are and, and now you’re going back to YouTube. So some of you guys are, are such powerful warriors that you’re going over to Facebook, literally, just to share it to all your groups. And then you are coming back to Facebook or YouTube rather. So wherever you’re watching from now, thank you guys for texting and sharing. Man, this is going to be such a powerful broadcast today, man, we’ve already got almost 400 people within the first five, six minutes, which is so powerful.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (06:59):
I believe many more are coming in. Here’s the woman to do Dr. King Daniel King. I’m about to bring him in there. He is. And so here’s what I want you guys to do live at lunch family. I want you to give a warm welcome. I want to see the chat absolutely blow up. Dr. King is an international evangelist missionary. He’s spoken, I believe in over 70 countries. He’s an author. He is a powerful voice of the gospel to all people. And I just met him for the first time minutes ago. But I can tell you this, you are in for a treat today. So I want to see the chat go. Absolutely buck wild, crazy, welcoming him to the family today. Dr. Daniel King. Welcome.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:46):
Wow. It is good to be here with you. Thank you so much for having me on

Pastor Mike Signorelli (07:50):
Ma tell everybody where you’re watching from today.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:53):
I am in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I am on a mission from God to lead atheist to Jesus Christ. I believe that God loves atheist. God wants atheists to go to heaven. And so we need to do everything we can to reach them and tell them about Jesus.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (08:13):
And I absolutely believe that he loves atheist because I was one of those atheists that he loved. Matter of fact, things to everybody in the chat for showing so much love to Dr. Daniel King. So you don’t tell me a little bit about this burden that you have for atheist. You know, where did that come from? What’s the origin story, you know how did that get birth in your heart?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:37):
Well, I am a missionary evangelist. I’ve traveled to over 70 nations around the world, preaching to people about Jesus. We’ve seen over 2 million people come to Jesus in our services, large evangelistic crusades like Billy Graham used to do. And we would go to Hindu nations and Muslim nations, and we would see God do tremendous miracles in those places. Then I came back here to America and I was speaking at churches here in America. And one time I was at this little church in Missouri, this, this woman came up to me. She says, please, please, can you pray for my son? I thought her son was sick or something. And so I said, well, what does he need prayer for? And he says, he is an atheist. He started watching videos about atheism on YouTube. He started following different atheists on Twitter and they influenced his thinking.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:33):
And my son who was raised in a Christian family, wandered away from God and I grabbed her by the hand and I began to pray for him. And then she gave me his, his blog site. I went and looked at it and it ended up having some, some conversations with him about Jesus and about Christianity, about why he felt pulled away from growing up in a Christian home, into becoming an atheist. And he asked some really good questions. And so I began to research, why is it that some people are turning towards atheism? And because of all these questions, I began to research. I wrote a book it’s called proof. God is real. And so many atheists are looking for proof. They want proof. They said, if you can give me proof that all believe in God, but without proof, I just dismiss all of it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:23):
So I said, well, what proof is there that, that God does exist? And that Jesus Rose from the dead. So I took all that proof. I put it in this book in this book actually has a two fold purpose. The first purpose of the book is to lead atheists to Jesus, to help them come into a to knowledge that there is a God, that Jesus is his son, that Jesus Rose from the dead to pay the price for our sins. But then also I wrote this book for people that are raised in Christian homes, young men and women who maybe they went to Sunday school, their whole life. Then they go to college and they fall away from their faith because of the first time experiencing it and hearing different questions that would challenge their faith. And so there is a disease called atheism and we need to inoculate our young people against that disease, vaccinate them. And, and the way to do that is by reading this book proof, God is real well. I’m so good.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (11:26):
Glad you mentioned the book because here’s the reality. Our kids are being exposed to the YouTube videos because unfortunately the, the church didn’t get to him first, right? It’s like, you know, and what my story was being raised in, you know, really like a charismatic Pentecostal church where man, a lot of good hearted people, but they didn’t speak to matters concerning the intellect. And primarily we spoke about things, you know, emotional, overcoming conquering things in our life, getting free from things. But I didn’t know that the Bible could stand the scrutiny of, you know, scholarship. I didn’t know that there was an intellectual side and from my, my story, and this may be, I featured some comments. People were saying, you know, this is my kid. This is my son. You know, I have the same story. It was like, if in my mind, I literally said, ignorant people believe God exists and intelligent people don’t.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (12:23):
And that was when, when I became an adult, was that simple because I had that cliche experience where I went to a secular college and I took the biology courses. I actually had a girlfriend at the time who was a pre-med student. And so I took the bio courses with her and I had professors use their position at that college to tell an auditorium full of students. Literally, God doesn’t exist. Just like the movie I witnessed that God’s not dead type of experience if you guys have seen the movie, but that led me on a journey myself of really wanting to know whether things are real. And so for me, my story again, and I said it in the beginning of the broadcast was meeting this, this, you know, Ivy league educated scholar who said, no, actually the Bible can stand the test intellectually as well. And so, as you were compiling and researching for the book, what were some of the things that you looked at and said, okay, this just needs to be known people aren’t talking about this. Maybe they’re not preaching about it from their pulpits on Sunday, but I’m going to put this in the book. What are some, some highlights?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:30):
Yeah. So much preaching is emotional, which is wonderful. We need to love God with all of our hearts, but we also are challenged to love God with all of our mind. And so I think there is an intellectual side to loving God and in knowing who God is and in thinking. And so the three biggest questions that I think that our generation is asking today that I answer in this book. The first question is, is God there? The second question, does God care in? The third question is, do I dare to follow him? Now, the first thing we have to answer is God, there is he really there in before you can believe in Jesus or believe that Jesus died for our sins or that Jesus can save you first. You just need to accept that there is a creator who created everything, which we can see.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:26):
And so the first step is dealing with this question is God there. And then once you find out that God is there, then start to deal with the question. Does God care? Sure. Maybe there’s a God out there in the universe somewhere, but does he care for me as an individual that does he look at me or is he like a, a giant man looking down at an aunt? It doesn’t care about us as individuals. And I think the proof that God cares is in the life of Jesus, Jesus was God manifest here on earth and everything that Jesus did came from his father. And so when we look at the life of Jesus and the death of Jesus, and then the resurrection of Jesus, we can see that God does care for us as individuals. Then we come to that point where you have to make the decision.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:14):
Do I dare to follow him? Okay. Yes, there’s a God. Yes, he does care about me. Can I take that step of faith? And that’s a really difficult step to make, to, to, to actually trust God, to help us to save us. And so what’s really interesting is that all three of these questions are answered in one verse in the Bible, Hebrews 11, six says, without faith, it’s impossible to please God, because everyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who diligently seek him. And so this verse tells us that he exists. That answers. The question is God, there in this verse tells us he’s a rewarder of those who seek him. And that tells us he rewards people. So he does care about you as an individual. He loves you, pastor Mike, and he cares about you. That’s the reason he saves you. So, and then the third question, do I dare? Well, it says, well, faith, it’s impossible to please God. So we have to put our faith and trust in him. We have to say, God, I trust you for salvation and cry out to Jesus. They, Jesus saved me. And when we do that, then he saves us and he gives us the reality of his presence in our lives. That’s it.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (16:30):
I love this comment in the chat while you were breaking that down, Amy says I’m a biology major. And I see God under the microscope. I can’t deny him. And I know for me, there’s a quote that I often reference. It says like your first, your first gulp from the glass of science will make you an atheist. But if you drink the entire glass, you’ll believe in God. And for me, that was my story. It was like the first time I started to delve into science, I thought, Oh wow, God doesn’t exist. But the deeper I went on that journey, I began to discover that in fact, science is pointing to God. You know, we talk about the fine tuning of the universe and how, if we’re like, you know, one degree off in any direction, then we would either the planet earth would not be able to sustain life at either be too hot or too cold.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (17:19):
You know, we talk about astrophysicists like Dr. Hugh Ross that can say, Hey, when we, when we look at the cosmos, we see the intentionality of God. There’s just no way that this could be random. And he breaks down these very in-depth long mathematical equations, which we will not get into today. And so, as I continued my journey in science, I realized, wow, science was actually confirming what the Bible said the entire time. And just because my local church did it talk, it didn’t mean that there weren’t resources out there, like the book that you have. And so, you know, for me, the reason why we’re doing this broadcast, the reason why I have the YouTube channel, the reason why we have this book resource available today is because I’m reading dozens upon dozens of comments of many of you saying, this is my family.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (18:10):
This is my friend. This is my dad. These are the people in my life. Who’ve gone down that rabbit trail that they’ve watched these, you know, these, these videos. And I tell this to people all the time. My background is I actually have an English degree and I used to teach advanced placement composition and argumentation. And you can argue the wrong idea in such a way that it’s so convincing that you can deceive people. And we see, you know, Hitler did that. Whereas I clearly Hitler’s ideology was wrong, but he was so good at crafting an argument that he was able to convince an entire nation. And so we see that a lot of these YouTube videos, they’re, they’re so good at crafting an argument around deception. And I like how Dr. King, you, you pointed it back to the knee, the need for faith, because we’ve been teaching about the Holy spirit. And I’m telling you many of you watching right now that you cannot, you cannot do this on argumentation alone. I believe for me, I was able to get the information I needed, but I needed more than information. I needed revelation. And I believe that happened by the Holy spirit who is really breaking it down for me and wooing me. So what, what do you see you know, Daniel’s, you’re kind of on your journeys. How do you see the Holy spirit at work in the lives of people who struggle with their faith?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:34):
Absolutely. We need to have the help of the Holy spirit acts. One eight says you shall receive power after the Holy spirit comes upon you to be a witness to the uttermost ends of the earth. And for many people they’re wondering how can I reach in atheists? My coworker is an atheist and he’s just mad at God, or, or how can I reach my, my son or daughter who, who went away to college and came home and doesn’t believe in God anymore. How can I reach them? And so we need the power of the Holy spirit to, to know what to say. And I think it really begins by listening to people and finding out what their issues are, what they’re dealing with. Often when people become atheists, it it’s, it’s not an intellectual thing. They, they justify it intellectually, but often it’s because of deep, emotional issues.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:29):
Maybe they were hurt by the church. Maybe someone who is a Christian with a hypocrite and did something to them. And then they begin to justify these feelings by, by going to the intellectual side. And so sometimes people get, make a mistake of going too intellectual. It just trying to win arguments with people. But our goal is not to win arguments. Our goal is to win souls. And so that’s where the Holy spirit comes in. The Holy spirit is the one who gives us the wisdom of what to say, how to say it when to listen, when to gently share information. And so we have to listen to the Holy spirit because really it comes down to the presence of God helping us and bringing his presence into these conversations with atheist. And so we can’t come at reaching atheist from a position of intellectual superiority or trying to, to, to intellectually argue someone into Christianity that really works. We have to come at it from a position of love and acceptance and saying, God loves you. God has a plan for your life. And even if they reject the idea of God, say, you know, your creator has a plan for you. He created you with a purpose. And so this book will help people to share their faith in an intellectual way, but also with love motivated by the presence of the Holy spirit.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (22:02):
I love that so much. And I think it’s more important than ever that we show the love of Christ because you’re right, the hurt goes so deep. And once you put someone on the defensive where they feel like they have to actually defend themselves, now you’ve become adversarial. Right now, you’re in an argument. And for me, I’ve learned the importance of listening, being a good listener. You know, the funny thing is, and this is a tool I want to give to the different parents that are watching right now is even when you ask questions, you’ll get people to unpack what they think. I’ve actually had several situations with young people where I said, well, tell me what you believe. And the more questions I ask and the more they try to articulate it, the more they start to come to the realization that they have no idea what they’re talking about.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (22:49):
And I’ve actually been able to open people’s hearts to the gospel by just asking a more like, well, I want to learn, I want to learn your beliefs. I want to learn your perspective. Tell me what you think and the deeper they go. They get to this moment where they’re like, I have, I, yeah. I, I guess I never, and the Holy spirit has actually used that. And I don’t go on the attack mode in that way, but it’s just like, Hey, well, it sounds like you’re still trying to figure it out, you know, and I want to be here and I’ve had a lot of great opportunities with that as well. Hey, if you guys are really receiving from this, can you just drop a comment right now and just talk to us, let us know w you know, come on, this is so good.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (23:31):
I love these chat. Let me feature this comment. It says Dr. King, you have hit the nail on the head. Intellectual superiority and past hurt equals atheism so many times. So many times you see this, look at this Janice, Dr. King is speaking so much truth and how to witness the non-believers. Someone’s actually watching from Kenya right now. It’s so good to have you watching from Kenya, man. This is amazing. Someone says starting the conversation, my someones in no more and just didn’t know, man, I am so thankful for YouTube. I’m so thankful for Amazon. I’m so thankful for the books as resources like you have, because it’s just an opportunity to open up the door. You know growing up in, in a small, you know, just a small storefront church, it felt like it, you know, we had the Christian bookstores at the time and just so few limited resources, but we live in a time like never before where the resources are out there.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (24:30):
Marissa says this intellectually, my study of science for my master’s degree, led me to know that there was a divine design and we only discover of what God did, man. You know, I know you may not know this Dr. Daniel, but we actually have many members of the medical community that watch every day. As a matter of fact, a shout out to Diana, if you’re watching, she has a whole nurse facility and oftentimes at lunch, they put this broadcast on and we have we’ve even had doctors do surgeries while this broadcast was going, which I didn’t even know you could do that, but I’d rather have the word of God being declared during a surgery than anything. But I want to do this, if you’re all right with this I’d like to ask what questions you have. You guys have two men of God, two, two men that have devoted their life to studying and having conversations and declaring the word of God. So if there’s a question that you have in the chat, I love to create an opportunity for those questions to be answered. Is that, are you okay with trying to take a few questions?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:33):
Sure. Let’s go for it. And another thing I’d like to do is I’d like to pray for people who are atheist. And so if you know someone who’s atheist or someone who’s dealing with doubt, throw their first name up there in a comment. And in just a few moments, let’s pray for them and pray that God would make a way for you to reach people who are dealing with atheism.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (25:54):
Yes, absolutely. Unbelieving. So many of you have come to this broadcast on a daily basis, and you have seen me pray for people. Medically verifiable miracles happen right in the chat. It’s very hard to remain an atheist like in these kinds of environments. So many of you have received a word from God where I read your name from a screen and said something that there’s no way I could have ever known. And I’ve even met you in person, whether it was in California or Chicago at our events. And people came up to me, pastor Mike, there’s no way you could’ve known. And so I’ll ask you to do this put their name in there. We want to pray for them, but even tag them on social media, because something may or may be happening even in their heart. Even while they’re watching. Peter says, you know, Jacob, someone says my son, Tristin someone else says to Stephanie, I see these names.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (26:46):
We’re getting ready to pray. And I want you to just stir up your faith, tag them in the chat. Now come on. Somebody says, Travis, Eric crystal, these are precious lives. Yvonne says, pray for Larry. My brother come on, Melanie, just tag Latitia. Andrew, come on, look at all these names. This is incredible guys. It’s so important. It’s so important. We’re getting ready to pray here in a little bit, but before we pray, I want to take some questions. And here’s why I want to give the next couple of minutes for the people that you tagged to join into this broadcast. Because I believe that some of you who have come in doubting some of you who are in doubt, or maybe you’re like pastor Mike I know that God is real, but man, I was hurt by a pastor. I know God is real, but I allowed a couple of YouTube videos or whatever to, to rock me off of my foundation.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (27:37):
But man, I’ve seen too much and I need to come home. I want to create that space for you to say, that’s me. That’s me. So let me see if there’s any questions. Let me feature this one, this question it says, where do I go to find the in between a culture and the Bible and biblical history? Also, what do we say when people say that there’s lost books of the Bible. So Dr. Daniel King, what, you know, people oftentimes will say, you know, the book of Enoch, this loss book, how do I know people refute the Bible? Like where do we find good resources to really study the scriptures and study the Bible historically?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:17):
Well, first I’d recommend getting my book proves God is real. This will help you deal with many of the most common questions which are asked. And I think a lot of the questions that that people ask sometimes are red herrings. They’re, they’re, they’re not actually interested in knowing about the, the book of Enoch. They’re just interested in, in opening up a conversation. And so be patient with their questions. Say, if you don’t know, just be honest about it and say, I don’t really know, but let me, let me go look, you know, let me, let me look something up on it for you, but then just stay, keep that friendship going, keep that conversation going, you know, answer their question, but keep bringing people back to the, the big ideas that there is a God and Jesus is his son. And that Jesus loves you cares for you. He has a plan for your life, that it doesn’t matter what you’ve done in the past. You can have a wonderful future with Jesus that everyone who calls on Jesus will be saved from their sins. That Jesus died on the cross to pay their price for our sins and that he, he Rose from the dead. And so wherever people are, I’ll start with them with their question, but then I’ll keep trying to bring them back to the, the main truth, which is trying to introduce them to Jesus.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (29:38):
And I want to add to that because I want to tell story right now in this story, just a quick story, that was going to illustrate what Dr. Daniel King is saying. So I got invited to do a funeral for a Satanist one time. This is a true story. It was many, many years ago. And I showed up, you know, in a suit and I’m pastor Mike and I do this funeral service. Now, when I showed up this young, you know, this young woman had passed away tragically and on the television where a series of pictures of her, you know, in her entire friend group, all in black drinking, Jack Daniels whiskey, you know, and, and they’re living their life. And I thought this is probably one of the hardest funeral services that I will ever have to do in my life. And I was just trying to, to really do, do what the family wanted me to do because they were not Satanists obviously.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (30:32):
And when I got done with it I, I felt, I, you know, I saw all of the people you know, all the young people and they had, they were covered in tattoos and they were wearing, you know, they were goth. And I remember telling one of my friends at the time, I said, you know, I have tattoos from my time in my rock and roll days or whatever. I wish I would have showed up looking like them. I wish that I could have related to them more. And maybe they would, would’ve let their guard down. And he said something to me that was so powerful. He said, don’t think that you can add one ounce to the power of the gospel by your appearance. And I believe that I needed to hear that because oftentimes we think, well, if I could just look a certain way, or if I can sound, if I could just dial it in and say it perfectly, but we try to add to the power of the gospel by our appearance.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (31:23):
Or we try to add to the power of the gospel by our presentation, if I just know more scientific facts or more biblical historical facts and those things help. But I love what you’re saying, Dr. Daniel King, because it’s like, Hey, we don’t add to the power of the gospel. You know, because ultimately a Holy spirit is going to do it. So I, so many of you I think are paralyzed by like, Oh, but my son is so much smarter than me or my husband is so much smarter. They they’re, I can’t compete. No, you just keep bringing it back to the gospel because the gospel in and of itself is powerful because the Holy spirit will do it. I wanted to feature a comment real quick, and then we’re getting ready to pray. Here’s a question though. And this one, I know that I get all the time. I’d love for you to try to tackle. It says I’m new into dating and should I not be dating an atheist at all? There are so many good people, but they’re atheist. And I get this question all the time. Doctor, would you try to tackle this one? It’s a tough question.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:26):
Well, the Bible says do not be on equally yoked. And so if you are standing on a chair and there’s someone down below, what is easier to do for you to pull the person up to the chair or for them to pull you down from the chair. And I think there’s a real danger. Sometimes when people start dating atheist, they think, Oh, I’m going to be able to reach this person. And then they end up falling in love with them and have years of heartbreak because they’re still atheists. And so what I would do is stay friends with the atheist, lead them to Jesus, and then after they get saved, then start a relationship with them. Come on down

Pastor Mike Signorelli (33:09):
Is so good. So yeah, I completely agree. I just wanted you all to hear it from someone else. Okay.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (33:17):
Sometimes it’s really hard to be in a dating relationship with someone who doesn’t have the same beliefs as you. And so if you’re going to be with someone and you’re going to live a godly life you need to make sure they’re on the same page of the Bible as you are.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (33:33):
Absolutely. I just want to, I want to speak to, you know, a lot of you, I was jokingly telling Daniel before we started that many of you call me Papa SIGs, you know, cause my last name is Cigna rally and I’m really like a spiritual father. And I want to speak to many of the daughters that are watching right now. Many of the sons, you know, spiritual sons and daughters, I show up every day, noon Eastern standard time. I’m going live. We’ve built such strong relationships. And I just want to say, don’t believe the lie that there are no other believers out there. You know, the dating field does it doesn’t have to be your mission field. And you actually, you need to believe in faith that God’s going to bring that person your way. So don’t compromise. And, and, and, and don’t try to convince yourself that you can make it right, or you can justify it because they have it in every other area. Matter of fact, the Bible says, seek first the kingdom, and then all these other things will be added onto you. And so just seek first the kingdom and find yourself somebody who’s also seeking the kingdom first and all the all those other things will be added. Okay. Are you mad at me? Don’t be offended.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:41):
So

Pastor Mike Signorelli (34:42):
Here’s what I want to do though. I want to create a little bit of space for the Holy spirit to minister, because you may be watching and somebody tagged you and you’re like, why in the world did they tag me in this? I have no idea who this baldheaded dude in, in Queens, New York city is you know who this guy, Dr. Daniel King is like, why am I even watching this? I believe that you may have stumbled upon this broadcast by divine appointment. And maybe just because a pastor hurt you, or maybe because other preachers have used the name of Jesus to make money or get famous. Maybe because you watched a couple of YouTube videos that confused you on your faith, or maybe you were just burned out by religion. Maybe you went to a parochial school where they forced religion on you and put a bad taste in your mouth.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (35:29):
I, I just want to bring you back to the place where none of that, none of that can silence. Jesus, who speaking to you now through the Holy saying, I love you. I have a destiny for you. I have a plan for you. I have a purpose for your life just because your mom forced you to go to church, just because you know, your dad maybe forced. You doesn’t mean that that God is not real. And I believe in this moment right now, he’s ministering to somebody who’s been struggling. Maybe it’s a father wound. Maybe it’s a pain or hurt in your life, but there’s healing right now. And some of you have been on the brink. Like I want to, I want to encounter God. I know he’s real well, he’s here real right now. And he’ll use a broadcast like this. If that’s you, would you just drop a comment and say, I want to come home. That’s me, pastor Mike, come on. I know we’ve got hundreds of people watching right now. And I believe that there’s, this is a divine appointment. If that’s you, will you just drop a comment and say, me it’s me right now. I want to come home. Maybe you’ve been doubting. Maybe you’ve been struggling with your own doubt because you’re just sick and tired of church people, but don’t let church people stop you From coming into a relationship with Christ from knowing your heavenly father right now. So just drop a comment and say, that’s me. Cause we’re getting ready to pray right now. That’s me. Maybe you just needed a confirmation. Maybe you needed somebody. Oh man, come on. Look at this. Vicky says, that’s me, pastor Mike. Janet says, that’s me, man. You guys are gonna make me cry. Come on that somebody else look at all these cards,

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Comments that’s me right now. That’s me, man. I live for this.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (37:08):
Come on. Danielle says, I want to come home. Joy says that’s me. Y’all I’m John. I’m literally getting ready to cry. This is so powerful. I did not expect that many people. It’s so real. I want to come home to

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Our real home. Wow. Me. Come on, come on

Pastor Mike Signorelli (37:25):
Formation. So many of you, this is powerful. I’m just featuring your name’s on the checks. I want everybody to see on the screen, across Facebook, Periscope, YouTube. This is what digital revival looks like in the middle of the day in New York city, you could be doing anything. Many of you tuned in, and this is a Holy spirit divine appointment. Look at this, come on guys. Just continue to share this broadcast. This is going to happen for the next several days. We’re getting ready to pray. But when I ask you to share into your Facebook groups, when I asked you to text the link, this is why we do this. Because for the next two, three, four days, people are going to keep commenting me. Come on. For many of you who sow into the ministry, this is what you’re sowing into. Look at this. Even on YouTube, it says me, who else I want to come home, please.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (38:09):
You know, Dr. Daniel King is getting ready to lead all of you to Christ. I’m going to turn it over to him in a few. But I wanted to just, I just wanted to just set it. Look at this Kim on YouTube. Me, come on, guys, keep, keep on commenting. This is what we do this for. Somebody says me, I’m coming home. Some of you for the first time, some of you you’re rededicating, come on. Somebody says, my mom is crying. Wow. This is so powerful. Listen. There’s no, there’s no music. There’s no, there’s nothing emotionally provoking you. This is just the Lord. This is the Holy spirit drawing you to him right now. Somebody helped me count what some, one of our team members to all the people who said, that’s me go in and count it. I want to get a count of how many people are coming to Christ. Guys. This is powerful. Keeps here. Now we’re getting ready. Man, look at this. Somebody says, get him, Jesus. Wow.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:09):
Well th this is absolutely amazing. And the thing that I was amazed at as how many people earlier were posting the names of atheist, sons, and daughters or friends that they are praying for, this is a real issue in our country. And I think this is what God wants to do. God loves atheist. God loves people and they’re desperately crying out for proof. And so I’m going to pray that God would reveal himself to you right now. Maybe you’ve had doubts. Maybe you’ve wondered. Is there really a God? Can I really trust Jesus? Is there really someone who, who loved me so much that he, he died to pay the price for my sins? Or is that just really religious made up junk? Well, if you’ve had those doubts right now, I’m going to pray that the presence of God would come with you right now and would fill the place where you are at.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (40:04):
And I believe that if you will cry out to Jesus, Jesus will save you from your sin. The Bible says that all have sinned. All of us have made mistakes. And the Bible says that the price for sin is death. But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. Jesus. He died on a cross to pay the price for all the mistakes that you and I made, but he didn’t stay dead. After three days, Jesus Rose from the dead. And today Jesus is alive. He is not dead. He is alive and he will meet you right where you are at. And he will give you a wonderful future. And so right now, if you want to come home to God, the father, if you want Jesus to become a reality in your life, I’m going to lead you in a simple prayer. And I want to ask you to just repeat these words after me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (40:57):
Just repeat them loud enough that you can hear them with your own ears. And as we say these words, I believe you’re going to feel the presence of God. And when you feel the presence of God, you will have all the proof that you need. That God is real. So let’s pray right now. If you want to know that God is real and you want Jesus to save you. Just say this prayer with me. Say, dear God, in heaven, I cry out to Jesus. Jesus save me. I believe there is a God. I believe Jesus on the cross for me, I believe that Jesus Rose from the dead God helped me to overcome. Every doubt helped me to overcome my unbelief. I choose to believe in you. Jesus saved me now. A men, amen. You someone who’s an atheist. I’d encourage you. Go get them a copy of this book.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:00):
Proof. God is real. This will answer some of the questions. This will help you to answer their questions. I’ve also got the study guides. You can get the book. You can get the study guide, go to my website, King ministries.com. And I want to help you with reaching people. I’m a missionary evangelist. I go all over the world, telling people about Jesus. And I know that God cares about the atheist in your life. And so if you want to reach them for Jesus, go check out the book. Proof God is real. It’s on amazon.com. Go to my website, King ministries for help on how to reach people with the gospel of Jesus Christ. I want to pastor Mike.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (42:40):
I, yeah. I just want to tell everybody how thankful I am for Dr. Daniel King and his ministry to all of us today. And you know, just such a powerful, powerful call in his life. I mean, look at how many people came home. Here’s the thing. I, I’m asking that somebody from my team get a tally of how many people said me, how many people read dedicated or dedicated their life to Christ in this chat, in this, in this broadcast? Because it was insane. I mean, just seeing the names, I mean, so many of the comments where I’m crying right now, my mother’s cry right now. My dad’s crying right now and I was just watching it go by. And here’s the thing. I know that there’s many more of you that still have questions and it’s a journey. You know, a lot of times we have to, we have to be aware, come on, hear me that this is a journey.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (43:28):
Jesus himself said, nobody builds a house without first calculating the cost. And so when you’re laying that foundation, go on your journey, get the book study and know that you know, that you know that you’re building a firm foundation. So today is was awesome. Like I absolutely off the charts. I’m just, I’m, I’m so encouraged to see how many people on a Tuesday afternoon here in New York are getting saved through this broadcast. We want you guys to stay connected though. It’s so important that you stay connected. You guys can see the chat just going by right now. Why don’t you guys just put a big, thank you to Dr. King in the chat right now, so he can see and I just want to give an opportunity for you guys to you know, find the book, find the resource we’ve been pinning, the comments in the chat so that you guys can go out and get that and just go on your journey, go on your journey.

Pastor Mike Signorelli (44:24):
One thing I love about this family, this spiritual fam that we’ve got is you all love to learn. You love learn. You love to take notes. One of my favorite things every day, really, as I come out of the broadcast and I see your guys as notebooks and I S you know, it’s just, and I get to see your notes from each day because you’re so hungry to learn. And so man, this is so amazing. Well, Hey, I’m going to spend a few more minutes with you guys. Dr. Daniel King. Thank you so much for being a part of the broadcast today. This was off the charts.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (44:58):
Wow. Well, thank you so much for having me on, make sure you go and get Proof God is real. Check out my website, King ministries.com K I N G King ministries.com. And if I can do anything to help you reach people for Jesus, I want to do that. Pastor Mike Love what you’re doing. Thank you so much. It’s such a privilege to be on the podcast with you today. God bless you. Awesome. Thanks so much for coming out. I’ll see you soon.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (45:27):
Thanks so much for listening today. I am excited about leading people to Jesus. And I want to ask you to partner with me, to help me lead people to Jesus. You know, over the course of our ministry, it’s taken an average of about $1 for every person. We’ve been able to preach the gospel to, as we go to different nations around the world, we invest money in renting a sound system, plane tickets, printing literature in order to follow up on the new believers and for every dollar that people have given us, we’ve been able to lead at least one person to Jesus. And so what I’d like to ask you to do is to go to my website, www.kingministries.com and become a monthly partner. If you could give just a dollar a month, give $1 a month to help us lead people to Jesus. You could be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. The Bible says that all of heaven rejoices when one sinner gets saved. So there’s no better use for a dollar than to lead someone to Jesus. So go to my website and become a partner today. You can start with just a dollar a month, just $1 a month, or you could give more whatever God puts on your heart, but please join with me and help me to reach people for Jesus.

Evangelism Podcast Host (46:50):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches, visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

Richard Hislop | Harvest the Nations for Jesus

Richard Hislop was inspired by Evangelist Reinhard Bonnke to start his own ministry called Harvest the Nations. Today we talk to him as he prepares for his first evangelistic outreach in Orange, Virginia.

Website: https://www.harvestthenations.org

Richard Hislop is an Missionary-Evangelist with a strong gifting from God for evangelism, who has answered the calling of God on his life to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the lost. His life’s passion and calling is to be used by God to see a great end times harvest for Jesus Christ, and to see the fulfillment of “The Great Commission” through the preaching of the gospel.

 

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Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Richard Hislop was inspired by the story of Reinhard Bonnke to launch his own ministry called harvest the nations. He is passionate to lead people to Jesus. Today. We’re going to check in with him as he prepares for his first big evangelistic outreach in orange, Virginia.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:19):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:57):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I am super excited about leading people to Jesus. Today. I have a very special guest with me, evangelist Richard Hislop. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Richard Hislop (01:14):
Thank you so much. It’s a huge honor, Daniel, and I’m a huge fan of the podcast myself. So it’s such an honor to be with you today.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:22):
Richard, tell me some about yourself and how you got started in being an evangelist.

Richard Hislop (01:29):
Yeah, absolutely. You know, I was saved at a young age, grew up in the church. My parents just love the Lord and I remember sitting around the kitchen table one afternoon and I received Jesus as my Lord and savior right there with my mom and dad and my family and my whole life. I knew that I had a call of God on my life. Just words receive from the Lord, Holy spirit, the way he was moving on my heart, but never knew exactly how that would manifest or what that would look like. But as growing up, I remember watching the TV and watching TBN all of a sudden you know, that was back in the day where I think it was like the Trinity broadcast network or something like that. We would see this channel and all of a sudden I saw this, this man come on the screen and all this, this huge crowd in Africa shouting for Jesus.

Richard Hislop (02:20):
And it was Reinhardt Bonnke. And I got to see this huge gospel crusade of him preaching the gospel for before a massive people. And I was so moved in my heart and touched by that, that I knew one day that I would want to do the same thing for Jesus, that I had a passion for the gospel and the loss, but, you know, never knew exactly how that would play out what that would do, but it was it was a T a period of time over, I guess, the course of just growing up and maturing that, that solidified of who I am and my call and Jesus that I would be an evangelist that I’m called to be an evangelist and to preach the gospel. As as I went throughout high school, I ended up going to a church of God school at Lee university in Cleveland, Tennessee, and studied there.

Richard Hislop (03:08):
And then ended up getting married and going to the workforce. And we just served in our church here in the Fredericksburg Virginia area, me and my wife and my wife and I at that time, ended up doing a three month full, full immersive, like a full-time ministry internship here in the Fredericksburg area. And around that time, and I even remember younger going on missions trips, and we went with our pastor like to Peru, and he was doing this massive crusade at the end of the week. And we were the ones going out on the streets and because the language barrier we would do these mime acts of like I actually got to play the devil and my friend got to play Jesus. And he found the place to start your ministry playing the devil. Oh, where are you in, in Peru? What’s that?

Richard Hislop (03:56):
We were in a ketose Peru. We flew into Lima, and then we went to Iquitos, Peru. And who did you go down there with? Or what was we went with? I’m sorry. Yeah, we went with Trinity chapel and that was that was a Steve FETO was our PA the pastor and they evangelist there and having this big crusade at the end of the week. And so we would go leading up to that. We would just go into all these schools and all in, all around all the town, we would do it on the streets, but we, then we would hit school after school, after school and show people being bound in chains, and then Jesus coming in and setting the people free. And it was such a powerful image. And then they would pray. We would have the gospel preach with an interpreter leading up to the big crusade at the end of the week.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:35):
Yeah, I remember I got to go to a Iquitos, Peru probably about 20 years ago now doing a crusade, they’re participating in a crusade and it ketos, you fly into Lima, Peru, which is the capital. And then you go on another plane way out into the jungle. And really the only way to get there is by airplane, but it’s right next to the Amazon river. So I remember when we went to ketos, we actually got on a boat and went several miles up and down the Amazon river, visiting some of the tribe, people there and visiting the churches that had been planted by another evangelist friend of mine that was in that area. And so it’s, it’s awesome to hear that God is moving in a ketos, Peru still, and people are being saved there. What were some of the, the miracles and things that you saw when you were there in Peru?

Richard Hislop (05:28):
Yeah. Well, besides the such hunger to hear the gospel and to be, you know, we, we were, we were having seen people delivered from alcohol addictions. We were seeing people healed. We at the end, at the crusade, some of the most memorable times, that was the first time I really saw the power of God, fall of miracles manifesting right before my eyes in person and leading up. Then we had the big crusade at the end. And I remember I was a part of the ministry team and just praying over person and I, for someone and all of a sudden their deaf ears opened, they were able to hear, we were seeing other people, their blind eyes were being open one, a premature baby. She actually grew a foot because it was, you was about to die. This person brought a premature baby, and I didn’t see the baby grow in person, but the person brought it up.

Richard Hislop (06:14):
And the other people were like, yes, they were like, it was this big. And now it grew. And sh the, the one, the mom was up on the stage crying, crying, because it was barely, apparently this baby was malnourished and had some birth issues and Jesus just stepped in. And I was, I was blown away by that mighty creative miracle as a young man, I was just like, wow, look at the hunger and the power of the Lord. And of course the greatest miracle of all is these people giving their lives to Jesus, to be their personal Lord and savior.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:47):
You remember one of the things that I got to eat when I was in Iquitos, Peru was alligator tail nuggets. So like chicken nuggets except made out of alligator tail and everyone’s, well, what does it taste like? And to me it tasted like, like chicken, but fishy chicken. So did you get to eat something?

Richard Hislop (07:05):
Exactly. I, it was like, it was like a merit. It had like a little bit of a sauce to it, the alligator. And I remember I was like, it’s like chicken. I was like, yeah, it tastes like chicken, but that’s a great way to describe it. A fishy chicken. Yeah. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:19):
I was reading on your website and it sounds like you’ve really been impacted by the ministry of Reinhard Bonnke the great German evangelist. And yes, you, you mentioned that you had it in your heart to launch out into full-time evangelism to launch your ministry, but it was really the event of him going to heaven that really gave you the impetus to do that. So tell me a little bit about that and why hearing that he, that Reinhard Bonnke he had gone to heaven really pushed you out into the harvest fields.

Richard Hislop (07:53):
Yeah. So back at LA I’ll come to this and two seconds to go backtrack. In 2012, our church brought him in for a conference. It was a way it was actually a partnership between awaken the Dawn and the call with Lou Engle 2012 here in Fredericksburg, Virginia ride. Bonnke came in for that. And I finally, and that’s where the picture you see up that I got with him. That’s when I got at 2012 and he was commissioning us forth with the gospel. He was praying, you know, in his later years, he was all about raising up the next generation of Holy spirit evangelists and passing that Baton on. And I remember just weeping in the presence of the Lord saying, this is who I’m supposed to be. And in that moment, getting to meet my lifelong hero of the faith. And that’s when he signed and gave me his copy of his autobiography and just got to talk with him and him blessed me.

Richard Hislop (08:42):
And he prayed over all of us to be commissioned and his mantel to pass forward to us. And it was just, it was just amazing time and the power of God. But then I went for a couple years of just serving at my, our church and still working in the marketplace and trying to figure out, I know that sometime I’m going to go into full-time evangelists, but I didn’t have like some Vangelis mentor around me or coach. I didn’t necessarily know what, how, how do I make it that jump? How do I make that step? What do I do? And when is it going to happen? I’m just seeking the Lord. So I began just going on the streets, you know, the Todd white go with the gospel, you know, or the Reinhardt Bunky, just the one, the person, the one is you go. And I remember even commuting up to DC where I was working at the time and Chinatown just to and from work.

Richard Hislop (09:23):
I would just be sharing the gospel with people and laying hands on people that also like Heidi Baker, just loving that person in front of me. And I just knew that, you know, I just would start there. I would just start there even like Reinhard Bonnke began on the street corners with the accordion and at the bus stops. And I would just start there and someday the Lord would, it would, he would show me the next step. I just so happened. I’m in Fredericksburg, Virginia, but on the month, on the day of his passing, I it’s a, it’s a day. I will never forget in my entire life. And I was December 7th of 2019. That was the very day my work. And we’re, we all actually work virtually. We don’t normally do things like this. We’ve never been back to Florida since or anywhere. That’s the only time we’ve ever had a company event actually, where we were at a location together.

Richard Hislop (10:08):
And it was that very morning where we had a company event in Orlando, Florida, that I traveled down to Orlando and was there that morning. And I was at this company event that, you know, for my full-time job. And all of a sudden my wife sends me a text and I wasn’t really in the frame of mine, I was there for my job. I was there for work. I wasn’t in the frame of mind of, of, of what we’re doing. I was focused on, on our work annual conference. And I get the text from Lindsay and she said, Reinhart has just run. Her bunkie has just passed away. And the only way I know and, and went to heaven and she said, Richard, you know, and, and the only way I know how to describe it, it was like a Holy spirit to fibulator when off on my heart, I began to tear up man to cry.

Richard Hislop (10:54):
I’ve always worked people around me, the owner of our company, I’m sitting there with my phone and they’re like, what’s going on with Richard? I’m like, right. Her bunkie just passed away. I told this one guy to my left. He was like, who’s that? I’m like, I’m like, Oh, the great evangelist, you know, and I am shaken by this, like in the spirit, something is going on that I could not explain the week after we go to Melbourne’s coconut beach right there on the beach, just to get some time after that event day event, we were like, well, if we’re in Florida, let’s stay down here. And that with my wife and my kids, our three kids, we, we went and stayed at the beach for a week. And I was just, it was the only way I can describe it. I was like crying.

Richard Hislop (11:33):
It was like this, this, the Holy spirit was just doing the work on me. And he spoke to me and he said, Richard, now’s the time go preach the gospel, go preach. The gospel. America shall be saved. The nations shall be saved. Now’s the time will you go? And it was just, almost like even that from the Lord for me to say yes, and at the time we were doing business stuff, I had a business Mart. I was doing online marketing as well as my job. And I felt that invitation from the Lord to go. And my wife was even like, what’s, you know, it took us a little bit to figure out what’s going on. Like, what was going on in my heart? Like this, I wasn’t the same person. It was like this new touch from the Lord. And I ended up seeing a video.

Richard Hislop (12:15):
I was trying to search for Reinhard Bonnke on these videos and of what was happening, what was going like, Holy spirit, what are you doing? And I found the video on YouTube of Reinhar Bonnke and George Jeffrey’s of when he passed away. And he said he received a mantle. And I had never S I, for some reason, I had never seen that one before. And I also found another video where he said they shared that vision that I hadn’t heard before of Reinhard Bonnke in the future of these two personalities talking and when asked the other. And he said, whatever happened to that great evangelist right in our bunkie. And the other one said to him, Oh, he was just a 4runner for an entire generation of Holy spirit evangelists. And I remember that resonated in the Holy spirit, told me, and he said, you are one of those evangelists.

Richard Hislop (13:01):
I’ve called to go and preach the gospel. And I realized on that day, that is what happened. And it’s not that we get, like Reinhard Bonnke always said, it’s not like we get the anointing. The anointing comes from the Holy spirit and Jesus. But that, that, that Baton, that spirit of Elijah, like Reinhard, Bonnke, he always said it does pass or something that passes from generation to generation. And I don’t believe it’s just me. We’re seeing, you know, with the evangelists who can’t with all the stuff we got going on, we are seeing an entire generation of Holy, certain evangelists rise up. And I just believe I’m just one of those that the Lord has called. And I’ve just decided wholeheartedly to say, yes,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:38):
Amen. Well, I think that’s the right attitude to have God is raising up a new generation of young people who are dedicated to telling people about Jesus, who are willing to go and sacrifice to whatever it takes to take the gospel of Jesus Christ to this generation. And so I’m very honored to be one of those successors of, of Reinhardt, Bunky and, and U2. And I know there are many others that God is raising up. And one of the things that, that Reinhardt told me many years ago, I got to meet him at a crusade in a Buddha Nigeria. And he told me Daniel, that, which is considered great today will be normal tomorrow. And so I think that with this generation of evangelists, we’re going to see not just one or two people doing large, massive crusades, but we are going to see dozens and even hundreds.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:32):
And hopefully someday, even thousands of people going out and preaching the gospel and bring in the loss to Jesus Christ. Now you are launching out in ministry and you have a major outreach plant right here in America, which I think is wonderful because America needs just as much as any other part of the world. You know, sometimes we go to Africa and preach the gospel, but, but we also need to be preaching the gospel right here in our own backyard. And so you are planning in orange, Virginia, a big revival, a gospel crusade coming up just really soon. Tell me about the plans for that and what’s going to happen.

Richard Hislop (15:17):
Yeah, well, it goes back to that time. In 2012, I was sitting there praying after Reinhard Bonnke speak. There was a room of 3000 people and I was, we were all in a time of intercession of the call and I was just praying and interceding after Reinhard Bonnke spoke, I was so eager and I was just quietly praying along with all these thousands of people. But I said, Lord, I had a heart for America because Reinhard Bonnke was the Lord had spoken around that America shall be saved. And I felt that resonating in my heart that the Lord was speaking to me that America should be saved as well as the nations that his heart was also for America. And I said, Lord, will you, will you use me to save America? I would just sit in there praying to myself quietly and worshiping logis while everybody else was, was doing this of thousands of people.

Richard Hislop (15:58):
And I was saying, would you use me to heal the sick? Would you use me to cast out the demons to deliver the people in the name of Jesus? God, would you use me to take your gospel all for your glory and to see America saved as I was praying this older man tapped me on the shoulder and I, and I looked at him and he said, he said, son, I was just walking through this auditorium. The Lord told me to come over to you. And I know there’s, I don’t know if this means anything to you, but he told me to come over to you in a Jace told me to tell you that the answer is yes. And, and, and he said, does that mean anything to you? And I was, I was just, tears began to come through my eyes and I just began.

Richard Hislop (16:33):
I told them what I was praying. And he would think that someone just gave him the world from what I told them, he was so excited to hear that. So this comes along with that vision of what the Lord’s spoken to me over the years. And when Reinhard Bonnke passed, he’d still, he said, Richard America shall be saved still. I’m just by faith. We’re going for it. And the Lord has opened doors. He lined me up with a group of intercessors that God spoke to them to turn their farm into a harvest field for the next like decade of harvest. It’s called the Orangeville, the dreams they make, but they were waiting for an evangelist. I somehow got invited to this prayer meeting and they heard my story and the Holy spirit just connected us. [inaudible] Exactly, exactly. And the Lord spoke to me if I had said yes to him, he’d be the one to open all the doors. And that was this, that it was just the first door that the Lord opened up for me. And and so we’re, I’m just going by faith. You know, it’s like Reinhardt said, right, God doesn’t sit with sitters, but he goes with goers and he works with workers and I’m just trying to listen to that and obey every way I can and go for it. And that’s exactly what we’re doing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:40):
Are you now full-time pursuing being in ministry.

Richard Hislop (17:44):
I am not full time yet. I still have my remote, my remote job. I believe going to be transitioning. The Lord spoken to me were to grow the ministry. I’m just going by faith in every single way that I can. And I believe that these is going to create the way for me to in the near future to go full time. What types of things you might eventually, what type of job do you do? I I’m actually an it security. I work on government contracts. I’ve worked for a private company, but we have a lot of different government contracts. I do. Like I was a Cisco network engineer for years. And then I do for Scouts. I do a lot of network security work on contract, just fully remote.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:19):
Interesting, because launching out into ministry is a huge step of faith. And of course, you’re, you’re married. You have three kids, you need to take care of your kids, take care of your family. And so sometimes it takes a few steps to get to the place where you can be launched out full-time in ministry. But, but I think while you’re doing that, you know, it’s wonderful that God has provided for you to, to take care of your family through a secular job. And in God will use you in, in the, in that secular job. You know, we are called to be a shining light in a dark world. And sometimes the secular world can be very dark. So God needs some shining lights, some evangelists in the secular realm. But I, I think that it’s commendable that you’re not waiting until everything is ready. You’re just launching out in faith right now with whatever resources you have. Has that been a big step of faith for you? What what’s that been like?

Richard Hislop (19:19):
Yeah. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s been a step of faith, but you know, the reading Reinhart’s autobiography really helped me understand, Oh, look where he started, look what he did. And of course I know he just watched out and, and some people are called that just like, you know, they hear the voice of the Lord, Hey, leave your job. And you gotta go and obey that. But then some other people like me where the Lord hasn’t said that exactly yet, but he’s told me to go and he’s told me to go and preach. And then he opened the door and he told me that orange shall be saved. So, you know, and that I should go there. And so it, it takes the step of faith and the sacrifice with the family. But you know, when God calls us to do something, I believe he gives us the grace to do it and forget and do it successfully.

Richard Hislop (20:01):
And so that’s where I’m just doing everything. I can. One of the things that really impacted me of Daniel Kolenda sharing a testimony with Reinhard before they opened the Orlando event was when, when Reinhardt spoke to them, to him, he immediately met with Daniel and said, look, this is what the Lord has spoken to me. And, and Dana was like, well, what do we do? It’s like a Sunday. And he’s like, when the, and Reinhardt told Daniel, he said, when the Lord speaks, I want him to see me jump. And I was like, that just has so resonated with me of like, when you speak something in some way and whatever I can do, even if the next step is, read your book, even if it’s get with the Lord. And, and, and so my time is just pursuing the Lord for the answer. There’s always something that is the next step that we can do for the Lord to see us jump. And that is just what I’m trying to do here. And I’m walking through every open door that he gives and he brings, and it is that leap of faith. It is getting out on the water like Peter, but I want to be the one that walked out on the water, not the disciples, watching Peter sitting in the boat.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:07):
So what are some of your strategies in orange, Virginia to draw lost people to the event? How are you there? This is a very challenging time. I mean, people are still struggling with, with COVID, it’s sometimes it’s difficult to get crowds of people together, but, but how are you attracting them? How are you planning to go fishing? What what’s, what bait are you using?

Richard Hislop (21:31):
Yeah. So one of the things I’ve done is just by watching and watching, see fan and just saying, Hey, I’m going to do that. So I scheduled a pastor’s luncheon and we had a vision luncheon, you know, I’m just figuring this out. People might say, Oh, look, Richard, he’s done this before. I’ve never done this before. I’m just seeing other evangelists saying, well, you know what, I’m going to do that. And I’m going to try that and I’m going to try this. So we print it out. We, we cast the vision with local pastors, what we’re doing, they’re super excited. They’ve been praying for this for their region. So we’re finding relationships there. All of a sudden, you know, we have local churches that are going to be excited about helping us develop here. I think one of the ways is we’re doing open air crusade.

Richard Hislop (22:08):
So it’s a little bit, it’s a, it’s a, it’s not in any given church, but it’s out in the open, it’s out on a farm field. So that, that being an open air that I think that’s going to help with draw people in and ease people. But at the same time, we’re having food trucks out. So we’ve invited local community food trucks to come and say, Hey, we’re having live music. We’re going to have local food trucks come on out and join us. We’ve gotten, you know, the Porter potties, we’ve done all these things that we’re working on doing. We’re also on private property. So we didn’t have to do go through per lo city permitting and all that, you know, check light, you know, those kinds of things. So that helped. But then also we printed out all these flyers and we went out on the streets last weekend and we’re already seeing sold save from just handing out flyers and evangelizing a witnessing right there.

Richard Hislop (22:53):
So that’s the other thing is just going out with flyers and evangelizing, right? They’re letting people receive a touch from the Lord, a miracle from the Lord, because that word will also spread, not waiting for the crusade, but going out like they do in Africa, I’ve been watching. I was just like, you know what, I’m going to try all this. And we’re going to go out. And we’ve been asking local businesses and they were letting us post up and posted the flyers up in their window. They told us to just every time we come by, put the flyers on cars and that we were okay to do that. Because you know, we, we would go in and we would witness to the managers. They would get, you know, the manager and food lion got so touched by the Lord the other day that he said, Hey, you guys come, I’m donating five cases of water you to your crusade.

Richard Hislop (23:34):
You guys come whenever you want, put your flyers up to everybody. If they’re in the parking lot, just stick them on all the cars, whatever you guys need. And it’s because we went out and we shared the love of Jesus the other, and, you know, we were handing out Bibles to people that gave their lives to the Lord and then inviting them to the crusade. And so that’s one of the strategies. The other one is I’m going to try to get I’m working on now getting up a new Facebook ad that geo targets everybody within a 25 mile radius of orange, Virginia as well for the event of the Facebook event. So I’m working on doing that. So a lot of this is we’re just figuring it out as we go, we’re going by faith. We’re looking at maybe what other people are doing, and then we’re just trying it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:13):
Well, I think that’s so wonderful. Sometimes you just got to step out of the boat. You just got to get started, keep your eyes on Jesus and keep going towards Jesus. And you’ll see God do some, some amazing miracles. So I think you’re doing all the right things. And he just going and talking to people. So sometimes people find it easy to do something in Africa. And they’re wondering, how am I going to do something here in America? Well, this is how you do it. You just go find it community that has some needs, go start talking to people about Jesus. And when he talks to people about Jesus, God will open up their hearts to receive, and you will see fruit. And so unbelieving that you’re going to see a great harvest. And I believe this will be the first of many harvest that you will experience. And, and God’s just going to give you tremendous resources and creative ideas, and God will give you friendships that will help you to reach people for Jesus. And, and so, and I love your passion and your excitement for evangelism. That’s just wonderful. So let’s, let’s finish up with a word of prayer. Can you pray for this upcoming event that you have just pour out everything that, that God’s been telling you to pray for and, and let’s, let’s pray for America to be saved.

Richard Hislop (25:26):
Let’s do it. Yes, father, we just thank you so much for what you’re doing and your plan for America, Lord, that it’s not just your plan to save the nations alone. Lord, you came and you died for the whole world. You died for whoever so would believe and call upon your name would be saved. God. And thank you for your plan specifically, even for this event in orange, Virginia, and the ongoing crusades we’re even going to have on this field more God for a decade of harvest, I believe in Jesus name, God, I just pray that you would, that as people see the flyers, as they’ve been receiving and hearing about this event, that your Holy spirit would draw the community. As the pastors are announcing this event in their churches, Lord, that the people would be drawn to come out for this event. Lord, I just thank you that you’re going to draw all the, this community to this field Lord, by the power of your Holy spirit, God, so that the loss would even be drawn to come.

Richard Hislop (26:23):
They would even be drawn to come and to see and to be on this field Lord, to hear the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ that even America would be saved. Thank you, Lord, that your desire is to save America, your desires to heal America. Your desire is to deliver America from all demonic. God, your desires to heal the sick for you are the same yesterday, today and forever. And just as we just continue on your ministry, God and obey the calling of God on our lives to preach your glorious gospel until your return. Jesus, we thank you that you’re going to draw the people. You’re going to give them eyes to see and ears to hear the truth. God, you’re going to convict the hearts of man should the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ, to the knowledge of you, Jesus, as the only way to salvation Lord.

Richard Hislop (27:18):
And that’s your coming again to the truth of your death and your resurrection and your coming, God that the kingdom of heaven is at hand God, we just pray God that your truth would go forth in America. That we would just as Reinhardt and see fan has been seeing a blood washed Africa, God, that we are going to now in the name of Jesus, see a blood washed America in Jesus mighty name because of your gospel Lord, we’re going to see it. We’re going to go Lord. And we’re going to preach the gospel and God eyes. I pray even for this event on the 24th, just like Reinhardt said, when the gospel is preached, the gospel happens and God, we just pray. And we thank you that as the gospel is preached in orange, Virginia, the gospel is going to happen that the loss are going to be saved.

Richard Hislop (28:04):
The lost are going to be healed in Jesus’ name, the gospel. And it’s going in in the loss are going to be saved, healed, and delivered in Jesus name from all demonic. Demonically oppressed people. God, they’re going to be delivered father by the power of your name, Jesus for you are the same yesterday, today and forever. And just as you came to seek and save the loss, then you are coming daily to seek and save the lost here in America. Now we pray it forth. And she’s this name in the mighty name of Jesus that a great harvest would come in now for today. And for now is the day of salvation in the mighty name of Jesus. We pray. Amen. Amen. All glory be to the name of Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:54):
Amen. Well, I give a hearty amen to that prayer. And I agree with you. We are praying for America to be saved. America shall be saved.

Richard Hislop (29:03):
Yes,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:05):
Richard Hislop. Thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast with me. Your website is harvest the nations.org. And so I’d encourage you. If you’re listening, go and to harvest the nations.org and find out more about evangelists, Richard, and about his ministry. He’s launching out with passion with faith and has a heart for souls. And so he’s believing for people to come alongside him and to start to support his ministry. So I encourage you to, to get on his website and send him some support to help him out. But Richard, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast with me today. God bless you. God bless you, brother. It was such an honor. Thank you, Daniel. Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And what we found is that as we go to different nations of the world, it takes us an average of about $1 for every person we’re able to reach with the gospel. And so some countries are more expensive. Some countries are a little bit less expensive, but on average, we’ve invested about $1 for every person we’re able to lead to Jesus. So today I’m asking you to go to my website, King ministries.com and give $1, $2, $5, become a monthly partner, help us to lead people to Jesus. Imagine you can start a party in heaven with just $1. Also go to Apple iTunes, leave us a review for the evangelism podcast with Daniel King. So lots of people can find this evangelism podcast. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (30:43):
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Paul Lodato | Evangelism Through Christian Television

Paul Lodato is the general manager of the Fort Myers/Naples Florida affiliate station of the Christian Television Network. Although Christian television has often been criticized for focusing too much on raising money, today,  we talk about how God can use Christian television to bring people to Jesus.

Questions: 

How is Christian Television like the Air Force?

How has Christian television abused the quest for donations?

Is God able to reach people through Christian television?

If someone wanted to start a Christian television program what advice would you give them?

Website: https://ctntelevision.com

 

Check out The Evangelism Podcast hosted by Evangelist Daniel King

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Paul Lodato is the general manager of one of the South Florida affiliate stations of the Christian television network. Although Christian television has often been criticized for focusing too much on raising money. Today, we’re going to talk about how God can use Christian television to bring people to Jesus.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:21):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:57):
The evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited to tell people about Jesus. And today I have a very special guest. Paul Lodato is the general manager of Christian television network in South Florida. Thank you so much for being on here

Paul Lodato (01:14):
With me today. Well, I’m honored to be here on the evangelism podcast and having known you for at least 25 years. It is definitely a delight.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:24):
Let’s start by telling a little bit of your story. How did you get involved in Christian television?

Paul Lodato (01:32):
Definitely God hand picked me out of the crowd, rather Daniel. My father dies and I’m three months old. My mom used to be on the mission field with Dr. TL and Daisy Osborn, fifties and sixties. We moved to Tulsa, Oklahoma, where your wonderful ministry is based that God has given you. And I worked for a company called Impact Productions that then sold that division to Faith Highway. And we had about 30 of us that were part of the marketing division, working with pastors all over the country. We sold outreach evangelism, TV commercials. Soul-Winning commercials that we put on MTV and ESPN and bet. And we partnered with Mel Gibson’s people to promote the passion of the Christ. Those are some quick highlights. And then we had an in-house media agency. We had an edit suite little did I know that God was training me for something I didn’t see.

Paul Lodato (02:18):
That’s why when you follow God’s plan, you have to walk by faith and not by sight. And many times he leads you on the backside of the desert. You do things that you say, well, how does this relate to my calling Lord, but he’ll lead you those ways sometimes. And so I stayed faithful to that for about four years. And God gave me a gift of music. I came out to sing at a big mega church in Tampa, Florida, Randy, and Paula white back then. And had a lot of favor there and I knew, and they wanted to hire me, but God was telling me go back into Christian media. So I worked at a Salem communications radio network for about six months. Little did I know God was setting me up. I walked into interview for what I thought was a sales position at our national headquarters and founder and president Bob Dan Andrei hired me in July of 2005 to manage the Christian television network affiliate here in Southwest Florida, which is the Fort Myers Naples, Florida region. For those that are listening or watching this podcast.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:12):
And you’ve really built this up over the years, really by the grace of God. Tell me some of the challenges and the things that you’ve gone through as you’ve built this ministry to reach people here in South Florida.

Paul Lodato (03:24):
Well, it’s because of the wonderful people, you know, we’re viewer supported and, and in that though, we’re very careful because unfortunately sometimes the gospel has been represented in Christian TV where when you ask for dollars to help fund the vision, if you will sometimes people misquote scriptures out of context to get people’s money. And I’m just a firm believer that if you do it, God’s way you’ll never lack the support if you do it God’s way. And so it, the word in ministry or in life is perseverance and remaining faithful, even when you don’t see it and trusting in the Lord with all your heart leaning, not to your own understanding and all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your path. And so Daniel, all I can say is it’s not by my mind or my power, but it’s by his spirit.

Paul Lodato (04:13):
And it takes a whole team of people just like wonderful ministry. God has entrusted to you. It takes a team of people to do what God has called you to do, where you’re reaching the nations of the earth and over 70 countries and millions of lives are being transformed because of what God has entrusted to you. Well, that’s the same, you know, TV as an air force, it’s a vehicle, it’s not a miracle pill, but it certainly can enhance the message of the gospel. The message of the gospel never changes, but the way we deliver it must in a sight and sound generation culture. And so as I look on the climate, if you will, the spiritual climate of Christian TV, I believe God put me in Christian TV and my wife and my team as change agents. Why, why not say, Oh, we have all the answers, but to say that we can do the greater works of Jesus. And we need to show that we need to show, I love, I love the book, the, your latest book proof that God is real. We need to show people that the proof that God is real visually and this type of call.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:08):
Sure. One of the things you said really caught my attention. You said that the television ministry is like the air force. And I think that’s really great because you’re going in over the airwaves to tell people about Jesus and there’s many different giftings in the body of Christ. You have the evangelist, I’m an evangelist. And so you probably call me like the Marine, the Marines, the special ops are the first ones that go in in to break into new territory. And then you’ve got the regular army. They’ve got boots on the ground. You know, those are pastors, faithful servants of the Lord, but you also need an air force in order to take over a country. And so you’re doing that as a Christian television station, but let’s talk a little bit about the money issue. I think that there has been some issues in Christian television, where were all the different ministries talk about how they’re saving the whole world.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:04):
We’re, we’re saving the world. They all say we’re saving the world, but many of them really have lost the true evangelistic heart. And they’re not really preaching the gospel anymore. Sometimes there’s this survival of the fittest in Christian television, where there everyone’s trying to pay the television bills, get on new stations. And it’s not the best gospel preachers that stay on. Sometimes it’s the best beggars that stay on. And I think that it does dishonor to the Lord when a ministry is only focused on money instead of focused on preaching the gospel. How do you make sure that you keep the main thing, the main thing and state focused on preaching the gospel,

Paul Lodato (06:50):
Man? I sure appreciate that question. And you know, I concur with you wholeheartedly just because somebody on Christian television doesn’t always mean it equates with the gospel. And the Bible says in John, that you’re supposed to test the spirit just because they have a known name, you got to test the spirit and the culture we live in today. We have such a watered down gospel. It’s not the gospel itself help it’s. It becomes you know, and everything has its place. We thank God for every minister. We understand there’s no perfect church, no perfect pastor, but shame onto a Christianity that, that begs people for money. You know, here’s the reality. There’s an old saying. People give to vision, not to need. If you sincerely just cast the vision of what God has called you to do, whether you’re an evangelist, listen to this or watching this whatever sphere of influence the Lord has planted you in cast the vision sincerity people give when you’re authentic and genuine.

Paul Lodato (07:44):
And yes, there are bills to play and it pay. And it’s very expensive. And most of the time Christian TV has funded three ways, airtime revenue, production, revenue, and then donations. What happens is though many times people put such an emphasis on those donations, but the reality is people that give they’re the ones that normally give are an older audience that are given $20 a month, $10 a month. It’s not the large gifts. What happens is though if you’re authentic and you just cast a vision and say, here’s what we’re doing, you don’t have to manipulate people. You don’t have to miss quote scriptures out of context, to get people’s money. The Lord will see to it that whatever he’s assigned and called you to do the money will come in. And that’s what we’ve seen here. We’d spent a million dollars building a television studio, and then you know, a brand new transmission line you’ve been out here on the property, 1700 feet of transmission line, a brand new antenna, a million and a half dollars over the last few years.

Paul Lodato (08:37):
And not because of me, it’s because of the people that have stood up and be counted. Are we still paying some of those bills? Yes. But you know, I’ve never seen the righteous forsaken or his seed begging for bread. So if you’re a believer in Jesus Christ, you better not be up there on Christian TV or media outlets begging for money. You can certainly say, Hey, give as you purpose in your, not out of compulsion, but give as you purpose in your heart. And that’s what people need to do. That’s what I love about what you do. You, you say, Hey, help me $1 a day for the gospel. You know, $1 day for the gospel, you’re casting the vision. You’re saying, here’s why we need to do this, but you’re certainly not manipulating people and knowing you for 25 years, I know you’re not a manipulator.

Paul Lodato (09:13):
You’re very genuine, authentic, and integritous person. That’s why I appreciate what you do. And that’s what I would say is, you know, Christian media, we could wrap this whole thing up and, and all, all of us working together. If we learn to stop competing and being territorial and say, let’s complete, let’s be about the great commission. Not the great cement suggested as my good friend, pastor better says the great commission is what it’s about. And like you said, that’s what we have to go back to as Christian media. Those of us that are in Christian media and managers, those of you that may have a TV show or, or, or, or doing podcasts or doing some type of digital media platform, we have to go back to what the Bible says. And if we aim to honor God’s word, Hey, he said, I’ll watch over my word to perform it. Not our song, not our agenda, nothing else, but Jesus, if it all goes back to Jesus, guess what? He’s going to blow on it. And you’re going to see the fruit that remains.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:10):
Let’s talk about the impact that Christian television can have. You know, there’s a lot of different ways of doing evangelism. You can do one-on-one evangelism. You can go out on the street, preach on the street corner. You can do mass crusade, evangelism light, like what I do, and w Reinhardt, Bunky, and T, and TL Osborn pioneered in different nations around the world. And so there’s a lot of different methods and ways. And, and Christian television is definitely one of those methods that God uses to bring people to Jesus. Do you have some testimonies of, of lives that have been changed because of the ministry of what Christian television network does here?

Paul Lodato (10:46):
Daniel, it’s amazing. I’ve been doing this now, 16 years managing this affiliate. And I have seen it time and time again, been guests on other TV networks by God’s grace, my wife and I, and I have seen where people in prisons I’ve had. I’ve had, you know, people elderly people. I had one lady talk about, you know, I was standing on the air and we did we used to do a show called ministry moments. My wife and I, we were praying for people. We’d take the call and we’d just sincerely pray, but we’d pray. According to the word, we’d always give him the scripture. And my producer would show them the scripture, okay, you have this need. Here’s what the Bible says, concern this need, you know, so they wouldn’t idolize, man. We don’t want them to idolize us. We want them to idolize Jesus.

Paul Lodato (11:26):
You know, after we’ve left, we haven’t left them nothing. We haven’t left them Jesus much like when you do a crusade. And so one of the testimonies, excuse me, one of the testimonies that came in was a lady said, Hey, you know she calls me after the broadcast. And at the very end, I decided I don’t normally do. As I said, Hey, it costs money to, to bring this show to you on the air. And, and to produce this, if you’d like to give something, as you purpose in your heart, you can give safe insecurely online on our website or, you know, call the station. We had it up. The number on the screen, whatever’s in your heart. Didn’t say nothing else. It was just that simple lady calls me about 15 minutes later, this was back in 2013. I’ll never forget it. She says, do you have a, an office in Naples, Florida?

Paul Lodato (12:07):
I said, I wish I did, but we don’t. But we certainly broadcast there. And she goes, well, I’m calling on behalf of so-and-so and we are watching a Naples. Are you going to be speaking or singing there anytime soon? She obviously knew I sang or spoken. She must’ve watched part of the broadcast or something. I said, yes, yes, ma’am. And my wife was ministered on that with me. And and we did a salvation call, et cetera. And all of a sudden, she says, well, we want to, we want to give you something. I said, well, I’ll be be there in, in, in two days. My wife and I, and it’s a Saturday service as pastors asked me to come to. So I’ll be there. She goes, okay, can I have your phone number? And and I don’t normally give out my cell number like that, but something said, go ahead and just, I said, sure, we want to meet you there.

Paul Lodato (12:51):
I said, okay. And I was very focused on the service. That was a Thursday. I’ll never forget it. We’re driving down there. 40 miles away, Naples, Florida. And it was a Saturday and I get a text and the lady said, we’re going to meet you there. We’re on our way. I said, babe, if I’m with the pastor you know, getting prepared just go out there and meet him and sure enough right before I was getting ready to go up she came back there. I gave her one of my CDs and all of a sudden there was a little card now I didn’t have a chance to open it. Cause they were getting ready to call me up on the platform. But I thanked her. Totally forgot about it. Cause God, God blessed that service and totally forgot about it. Driving home.

Paul Lodato (13:27):
We’re almost home. I said, Oh babe, go ahead and open it. We were talking about the salvation and the healings and what God did in the service. I said, Hey, don’t forget. This lady came by. It was a card and I’ll never forget this testimony, Daniel. She said, I’ve been watching you for a year. She goes, I’m going through a divorce. I don’t want to be on a mailing list. I don’t want to be on a mailing list. I’m moving to California. She goes, but this gift is because I’ve seen your faithfulness. And it was $20,000 for the work of the Lord here. And you know, I’ve had little instances like that. I’m not saying, Oh, every time you’re going to get a, but I never forget it. It wasn’t about the money. I thank God for that. I mean, that was huge, you know, but it was about, she was watching the integrity, not because of me, God’s grace, but she was watching.

Paul Lodato (14:09):
So two, two, and then I’ve had people in, in nursing homes, prisons. It’s amazing people that flipped by the dial in the middle of the night, we have a a live prayer meeting. You called you and me that our network does nationwide and we air it here. You’re on in Tulsa. So it comes in on my channel. I see it. Yeah. K whb used to be the let’s affiliate, our wonderful manager, Tom Flynn there. And we’re on in Tulsa. And it’s amazing how, how God uses the vehicle of television. It can be a powerful tool. It can certainly enhance what God has called you to do, but it should not be your end all be all. Hey, if I can just be on TV, quote, unquote, my ministry has made, first of all, it’s not your ministry. It’s his ministry. We’re just conduits and stewards of that ministry.

Paul Lodato (14:55):
He’s entrusted to us. And so that’s what I’ve seen. I’ve seen a lot of miracles of healings, a lot of salvations that have taken place, just like you’ve seen on the, on the crusade grounds. Well, you know, there’s an old saying by John Osteen Joel Osteene’s father, he used to say, he who owns the city, owns the airwaves. It’s a vehicle. Look, look, look, what’s happening in our media culture today, our media driven culture. There’s no truth in it. Generally speaking, you know, Christian TV is still the purest form of media out there. If it’s done the right way, you know, with an emphasis on the great commission and if it’s done the right way and that, and so you kind of alluded to some of the pitfalls that has hurt the gospel more than helped it. I always say shame on to anybody. That’s wanting to get on Christian TV for a wrong motive and, and manipulate people for their money.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:39):
Well, I’m so grateful that God has placed you here in this position because you have a genuine, genuine heart for souls, a heart for helping people. And that’s what we need. We need to use television as a tool to reach people for Jesus. And it’s so powerful. You could tell a vision television of her, what God has for their, their, for their life. Your wife has written a book. Tell me about the, the book that your wife.

Paul Lodato (16:05):
Yes. It’s a book she wrote called I’ve accepted Jesus. What just happened? And she didn’t grow up in the church. And one time she was talking to me in like 2015, she was in the club scene. Her testimony is amazing. And she says, Paul, you know, after people run to the altar, they got to know who they are in Christ and they need to understand why they got saved. And I’m afraid that we’re not communicating that always that well, I said, well, why don’t you write a book about it? And she goes, I’m not an author. I don’t see myself writing a book. All of a sudden she started praying about Laura said, write about, write about it. She said, I started feeling like I was just his typing for him. And so she, she wrote this book, it’s a little mini book. We give it away on the air on, you know, CTN, television.com and different and our whole network carries it now in English, Spanish.

Paul Lodato (16:48):
We have it in Tahlia and we have it in Farsi in the Muslim world cause we air on it and you know, Spanish. And and then at our personal website, light of the word.tv, people can just download it right there. Or@Ctntelevision.Com, they can just download it safe and securely free. And as long as they never sell it, they can just take it. And and it just tells them who they are in Christ. They’re free from sin that, you know, what God has made them to be and the plan of salvation. So it’s a powerful resource that, you know, just like what you’re doing with this podcast, you’re trying to get the gospel out, trying to help empower people in their callings. And so I just thank God for every evangelist and we, you know, we’re all the five fold. We’re all fitly joined in the body, working together. And if we learn to complete one another, instead of compete with one another, man, we could wrap this thing up and I’ll go back

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:37):
Home to heaven. W what advice would you give to a ministry or a pastor, maybe a young evangelist who, who has it in their heart to do something for television? What advice would you give to them?

Paul Lodato (17:50):
Well, I have another free resource that I give to anybody that reaches out to me. If they get ahold of you on your podcast and say, Hey, I want it. I have a document called TV one Oh one. I’d be glad to give it to you, Daniel. And you can just share it wherever. It’s some practical tools I’ve learned from people that, you know, like Phil cook, who adjunct professor at ORU is a different,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:10):
I remember reading Phil Cook’s book, it’s called the, the, the, the last TV evangelists. And I said, I’m kind of upset you wrote this because you know, it, can there be just one more? Can I be the last one? Yeah, he’s great. He’s been out here several times. Got brilliant books on branding and helping ministries great books that if you’re wanting to be in television, definitely get, get a Phil Cook’s book. Yeah.

Paul Lodato (18:34):
One of his books is called successful Christian television. So he was just here with me in November. But we we’ve we have a little documents called television. One-On-One people like Ted bear with movie guys, other people that the Lords allow me to, to learn from over the years. And I went to speak at a media slash pastors conference for a bunch of pastors and media directors in Dallas, Texas years ago. And I had this document. I didn’t think nothing of it, but it was such a blessing that people in the class were asking me for it. And I said, sure. And so I’ve just learned to give it to anybody. And it has some good questions. Some of the research I’ve done as to why do you believe you need to be doing Christian TV? Is this really what you need to be doing?

Paul Lodato (19:12):
I would first say this. If you ha, if you aspire to be on Christian television, you need to make sure you have a great website. First. I thank God for all the digital media platforms, but the website you control. So that’s my first suggestion. Make sure you have a great website and, and get that look. There’s an old saying, people see you before they hear you. So make sure your stuff looks excellent. You put God’s name on something, make it look right. No, El CISO Christian TV. We’ve got a lot of cheesy looking stuff and Christian TV, and it’s not a representation of the gospel. I understand it takes money to do ministry, but if you’re going to do Christian TV, you do need to count the cost. And then you need to, first of all, say, Lord, is this a direction you have for me?

Paul Lodato (19:52):
And certainly if they have that direction, I mean, if I can point them in the right direction, we’d love to do that. That folks are w you know, your friends in Tulsa. We’ve got a great outlet. Now there, we have 22 affiliates in strategic markets. CTN does where nationwide on direct TV, three 76 dish network, two 67, Gloria star, satellite channel one 17, and the app star seven. We just finished an interview together on the contending for the faith show. And there’ll be able to watch that across the CTN network, and maybe you’ll have it on your website at some point or on your podcasts, make it available to them about what God has called you to do with, with Daniel King and King ministries. But it is, it is a definite refreshing, very refreshing to see someone like you, Daniel, that care about the gospel and just using all the tools that are available to people.

Paul Lodato (20:40):
So, yes Christian TV is certainly a vehicle. It’s an option for people. And if you’re saying, Hey, that’s what I want to do in a COVID world. You know, you can use digital media platforms, but getting on TV is a good vehicle that can enhance what God has called you to do. I’ve had some, some pastors come on the air, some evangelists that have come on the air since COVID hit. Cause they was like, man, I want to maximize my reach so it can enhance, but make sure you’re doing it God’s way because God don’t bless a mess. I mean, he’s loving, he’s gracious and his mercy is there, but do it the right way.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:11):
Well, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. I encourage you to go to the website light of the word.tv, and you can find out more information about Paul and his wife and, and get a hold of the book, which she’s written a powerful book. And God bless you. And thank you so much for your heart for evangelists.

Paul Lodato (21:30):
Thank you, man. And thank you. I love you buddy. And God bless each and every one of you that are listening or watching this clip.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:37):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And what we found is that as we go to different nations of the world, it takes us an average of about $1 for every person we’re able to reach with the gospel. And so some countries are more expensive. Some countries are a little bit less expensive, but on average, we’ve invested about $1 for every person we’re able to lead to Jesus. So today I’m asking you to go to my website, King ministries.com and give $1, $2, $5, become a monthly partner, help us to lead people to Jesus. Imagine you can start a party in heaven with just $1. Also go to Apple iTunes, leave us a review for the evangelism podcast with Daniel King. So lots of people can find this evangelism podcast. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (22:31):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

Michael Job | He Carries Jesus to the Nations

Michael Job worked at the Holy Land Experience in Orlando, Florida for several years playing the part of Jesus in a drama. But now he goes around the world introducing people to Jesus. His passion and love for Jesus is infectious…

Who is Michael Job? Michael Job is an International Evangelist whose burning desire for people to be saved, healed, and personally encounter the love of Jesus has taken him to the other side of the world.  He has done crusades and outreaches in Kenya, Togo, Nigeria, Germany, Poland, and the Philippines.  In addition to being the lead evangelist and president of Jesus Loves You Evangelistic Ministries, he also volunteers with Christ For All Nations (the ministry of Daniel Kolenda) to help preach and train evangelists in pre-crusade evangelism in Africa.

Michael Job is an ordained minister with TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) and has worked for them for many years.  He has often preached and also portrayed the role of Jesus in the many theatrical productions of TBN’s Holyland Experience in Orlando, FL.  Being a previous associate pastor, he has a strong desire to see people not only get saved, but also be discipled into the local church.  His passion for Jesus and for people to know Christ has led him to do a lot of local ministry (weekly jail ministry, and street and homeless ministry) in addition to the work he does overseas.

Hear: Micahel Job shares the powerful Gospel Illustration of “Is Jesus in Every Room of Your House.”

Website: https://www.jesuslovesyouevangelisticministries.com

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Michael Joe worked at the HolyLand Experience in Orlando, Florida for several years playing the part of Jesus in a drama. But now he goes around the world, introducing people to Jesus. His passion and love for Jesus is infectious.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:16):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:55):
Welcome to The evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And today I have a great evangelists with me, Michael Joe. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Michael Job (01:06):
Well, thank you so much, Dr. Daniel King, you have impacted my life so much in your teaching. I would not know how to do my crusades without you. So thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:15):
What’s really unique about your ministry is that you started out being perfect. You played the part of Jesus. Tell me about that and how you played the part of being Jesus. Well

Michael Job (01:27):
Kind of grew into it, born in Bethlehem, and then now I’m kidding. Basically I ended up working with Trinity broadcasting network TBN and I was working there since 2004. I started crucifying Jesus, but gradually I became Jesus. And the, the, the honor of that is that in between the shows, I’m an evangelist. So I wasn’t there for acting in between the shows I would go out. I would pray for the audience and just see people get saved and healed the great thing after the Christ for all nations Reinhardt, Bunky, school of evangelism. I never really saw people healed before that. And he said, Friday, you start your ministry. And I went back to work and on Friday, like 40 people got healed was in downtown Orlando. A deaf person got healed and every single day, since then in 2013, I saw people get physically healed in the park between shows. It was really awesome to see what Jesus will do. If you just step out

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:25):
What a tremendous experience you played, the part of Jesus acting, but then you actually got to do what Jesus did. And that’s, what’s really amazing is that as believers, we can actually do what Jesus did. Jesus prayed for the sick and saw them healed. And Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever followers of Jesus can go pray for the sick and Jesus proves that he’s alive and, and heals them. And so it’s tremendous, but you have a tremendous heart for evangelism, and you’ve really got connected with Christ for all nations ministry of Daniel Kolenda. And you’ve been doing evangelism with them. I remember that you were in some of the training sessions early on that I got to teach in. And then you took that training and went to Africa and started preaching. Tell me some of what God did there while you were in Africa.

Michael Job (03:18):
Yeah. You first taught us in 2018 and it was in port Harcourt, Nigeria. And through your training, we were able to captivate the audience’s attention all the way throughout the message, which was awesome and amazing. We saw many people give their lives to the Lord. After that, we went to Togo, we went to NACUBO Kenya. We went to Abbey, Yokota, Nigeria, and then Tanzania this past fall and just seeing hundreds of thousands. And it’s not an exaggeration because we would go to schools and we would see like 2000 students just in one school, give their life to Jesus and totally surrender. And I love a lot of the principles that, that you gave us in capturing their attention throughout the message, how to work with the translator. So important in a foreign country. A lot of the principles that you put forth in our lives still remain to this day. And I couldn’t thank God enough for you. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:10):
And so in some of these different countries, you, you’ve got to go into some of the different schools and you would preach the gospel. There, you have a great way of just capturing the attention of the children. Kind of walk me through what that looks like. Like what would you say if you went into a school and you wanted to lead a group of children to Jesus, how would that go?

Michael Job (04:32):
Well, I, I mean, Bo basically all of the, all of the teachers get the students to come together and then we, we just give a quick, hello, it’s a very short time. We do a quick gospel message. That’s easy to understand for kids, give them an opportunity. Then they get the opportunity to receive the gift of the Holy spirit. And we end them with a song and it’s wonderful. We also do truck preaching and I’ve done some crusades since then, actually the first time that you taught us and how to do crusade ministry, I was going to Poland right after that. And I couldn’t thank God God enough, because I was like, you taught us exactly what we needed to do. And then I used it in Poland and I worked in Poland. The word of God works, no matter where you go, you preach it. God will work.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:20):
Amen. And so then I remember one time I showed you like a little sticker with three circles on it and it’s called the three circle method of a witnessing. Oh, there you have it right on the back of your, your, your cell phone. And so you printed it and you’ve got Michael jo.org on there. And so how’s that been going? It does it, does that work to help lead people to Jesus?

Michael Job (05:41):
Yes. there’s a few ways that I try to train people and how to reach a harvest for Christ. I love training in the Evangel cube, but it’s kind of expensive in this. I’ve found very effective in every single city in Poland that I went to, I do evangelism trainings and we were able to print this out and give it to every single person, including in Africa, big, bigger churches. Every person gets a sticker and we practice on sharing the gospel with this sticker. And one of the first times I used it here in Orlando, it was with a smaller group, a home Bible study by Daniel Merani Chenko. And the wonderful thing is, is that right after that, the students went out sharing the gospel. There was a, there was, there was a, a girl that never shared the gospel before. She just shared the simple, simple sticker with a pastor’s son who never received Christ. And he received Jesus 19 years old receiving Jesus. The first time a pastor son, the pastor must’ve been praying for ever and ever, and a girl for the first time, the first soul ever reaches a pastor son by preaching the gospel in a very simple way. And after that, we still see many people get saved through evangelism techniques that you have taught us. So we thank you so much for

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:56):
That’s awesome. Now, just recently you were in Tanzania and you had the opportunity to do your own crusade there, but you only have like nine days to set it up from, from beginning to end. And so sometimes you can do a lot of preparation for a crusade. Sometimes you can just go and, and do it. And so that’s what you did. You went in and did it tell me what were the results of that? What were some of the things that God did at that Christmas?

Michael Job (07:19):
Well originally we were looking to do a parent outreach, the parents of the kids for the schools. And so we had one scheduled on Sunday. It was in my heart to do another one. And, and the, the scripture union who, who were working with her, they said, well, why don’t you try this other field? And originally when I saw it, I was like, no, I can’t do it. There. There’s all these drug addicts and drunks. And I prayed about it. And all of a sudden the Holy spirit came and went food. And God said, I want you to go there. Then I want you to do something. I stepped up on the ground and the Holy spirit came. And so we were like, okay, I’m going to try it. So, nine days later, we’re in the midst of our crusade where there’s several churches on board, several choirs.

Michael Job (07:57):
We took a trucks around the city. We did evangelism teams several days before the crusade, about a hundred people would get saved per day on the evangelistic teams during the crusade. It was only nine days of preparation. But we did see 435 decisions for Jesus. It was in the most dangerous part of all of Doris Salaam, a block and a half away from a Muslim training center. One of the biggest Muslim training centers in Tanzania. And it was basically a place where you see a lot of drunk addicts, drunk drunkards, and basically God took them out of the pit of hell and brought them into the kingdom of God because God was willing to speak. And we just had to go.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:36):
And, and so you even printed flyers, how many flyers

Michael Job (08:39):
Were you able to print out? It was week four for that outreach. We did 70 or 80,000 flyers. We also printed, printed personal letters in personal envelopes to 10,000 students and 10 different schools and invited the parents of the, of children to the outreach. And we even did a raffle at the end. We gave away a cell phone bicycle, and several footballs every single day to try to get people to come and bless the community.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:06):
Well, what a tremendous success that is to put it all together only nine days. And you managed to print all the flyers, send out evangelism trucks, send out evangelism. That just goes to show that God is willing to work anywhere. Anytime, if someone will just go and get started and just try to make it happen. And you, you made it happen. What a, what a tremendous blessing it is. Did you see some miracles at that event?

Michael Job (09:32):
Oh, yes. Yeah. There was one woman who was deaf in one ear. She could hear, there were several stomach tumors that were healed and all pain left their body. And they were dancing. There was one woman with a leg pain and she got healed. And other woman with the neck pain, she got healed. And there was, there was a, the first day I prayed for the sick and there was a big line coming. We couldn’t do all the testimonies because of the time, but there was a God showed up big time. There was a one precious woman. She was a Muslim, she just got saved and she got healed. So she came on and she testified of what God did in her body. And she was totally healed and went to church that very week. And we saw some of those new converts who were Muslims just yet, yesterday. They were in church, saved, expecting a miracle in church, which was wonderful.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:18):
That’s so amazing. And so you said that you did it in a place where all the drug dealers and the drunk people were, did some of the people that were addicted to drugs, did they get saved at the crusade?

Michael Job (10:30):
I’m supposing they were, I don’t really know.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:34):
Did they come, did they, did they come and listen

Michael Job (10:36):
Some well, they couldn’t help, but listen, because there was trees and they were all like hanging out there and we did our crusade right in front of it. So, so they had to listen. They had front row seats for them. So praise God for that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:51):
Wow. That is, you’re truly doing the work of an evangelist. That, that is tremendous. And tell me over the years you’ve been developing your ministry what’s your, your website. And if people want to find out more information about your ministry, how can they find you?

Michael Job (11:10):
You could go to, Jesus loves you, evangelistic ministries.com. And if you don’t want to type all that in, just go to Michael J O b.org, Michael jobe.org.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:20):
That’s awesome. All right. I want you to give an altar call. Imagine that you were standing on a field in Africa, and there are thousands of people there that are listening. You know, they’re there, it’s hot. The sun is beating down. People are thirsty and you’re trying to capture their attention and keep the, I know you’re very good at keeping people’s attention. Kind of give me like a five minute presentation of the gospel and an alter call. What would you do to help bring those people to Jesus and pretend like we’re actually out there on the field

Michael Job (11:54):
And you’re giving the altar call to them. All right. Well, if you know, God loves you. Wave your hand. Nice and high Yes. He loves you so much. I have a very, Very, very quick story. I want to share with you. See, there was a man who was very rich. He lived in this city and one day he said, I know what I’m going to do with my money money. I’m gonna buy a big house with a big bed. The man went to sleep. He heard a knock on the door. And when he opened the door, guess who was, who was Jesus? The man was amazed. He was like, Jesus caribou. Please come into my house. You can have the biggest house, the man Lentz asleep. And there was another knock this time. It was a different person. He opened the door, guests who we saw this time. It was the devil. Oh, the devil made him all mad. He gave him back pain. Oh, he gave him the pain. He gave him all this pain. The men woke up and he was mad at the Lord.

Michael Job (12:41):
He said, Lord, I’m a little mad at you. I let you in my house, in the devil’s in my house. And the Lord said, you only gave me one room. So the, he said, well, okay, I’ll give you every room. Except my bedroom. See, in my bedroom, there’s things that I do that are not right. That, that you would not want to see sex before marriage drugs, but you can have every other room the men want it goes to sleep. And there’s another knock. He opens up the door, guess who it is. Oh, it’s that devil again. And this time the devil tempts him with, with all this depression, with all these people, insulting him and been abusing him and hurting him. And the men woke up and he said, I can’t do this life anymore. And just as they said that Jesus tapped him on the shoulder.

Michael Job (13:18):
He looked around and, and Jesus said to you, didn’t try one thing hand over the keys of your house. To me, let me be the owner of the house. And I’ll let you live here around free. The man said, okay. And that night there was another knock. This time Jesus opened up the door cause he had the keys. And when Jesus opened up that door, the devil saw him and ran faster than he’s ever run. Before. The reason I tell you this story is because God doesn’t want to be in one room of your life. He doesn’t want to be in three rooms of your life. He wants to be in every room of your heart. Now, why do I talk about the Lord? Jesus? Because Jesus is the only one that came from heaven to earth for you. He’s the only one that led us sinless life for you.

Michael Job (13:54):
He’s the only one that died on the cross for you. He’s the only one that raised from the dead for you. He’s the only one that’s seated on the right hand. Throne of God, my friend, if you have sin in your life, that that devil is knocking on your door. And if you even have one sin, the wages of sin is death. One sin is enough to go to a devil’s hell, but I’m telling you one drop of the blood of Jesus is enough to cleanse you from all sin. See Jesus took your sins. He took my sins. He took your punishment. He took my punishment on that cross. His blood will cleanse you and he just didn’t die. But he Rose from the dead and he is alive. I want you to shout. Jesus Is alive. Jesus is, he is Alive today and he wants to come alive in your life. But just knowing that is not enough. You have to make a choice. Say, make a choice, make a choice. He wants to you to make a choice to receive him. Remember he is alive and he’s knocking on the door of your heart. He said, if any men will come in, he would knock and hear my and open the door. I will come in. Do you want Jesus in your life? Do you want to be forgiven of every sin? Are you willing to turn from your sins and turn in your, live your life for God? He loves you. He died for you. My question is, will you live your life for him? If you want Jesus, I want you to close your eyes. Yeah, you watching right now. We’re hearing right now. I want you to close your eyes.

Michael Job (15:11):
Now as the time of salvation, it’s not tomorrow. It’s not next week. It’s as right now, if you want to make a choice for the Lord, close your eyes, lift up your hands and say, Jesus, everyone. Shout Jesus. Come into my life. Be my Lord. Be my, be my savior. Thank you for dying for me. Thank you for dying. Thank you for raising from the dead. Thank you for raising. I surrender all of my life to you. Surrender all of my life to be my Lord and savior my Lord in Jesus name. Jesus. Amen. You just said that you are born again. You have Jesus, you are forgiven and you have the gift of heaven. Wow. That is tremendous. You are a master evangelist, Michael, that was just so captivating and what a tremendous way to share the gospel. And I know that if you were on the fields of Africa, the whole field would get saved.

Michael Job (16:04):
People would come to Jesus. So that’s awesome. What’s your website. One more time. Jesus loves you. Evangelistic ministries.com or go to Michael job.org. So Michael Joe, joe.org. And so I’d encourage you to go check out his ministry, check out his website and learn more about those great evangelistic ministry. The man who looks like Jesus and also acts like Jesus. So God bless you, my brother, thank you so much. And I’m grateful to be leaving in just two weeks to Tanzania. I’m going to be preaching out at accomplice and 10 Dora. I know you’re probably going to be preaching. We can’t wait to be together in the harvest field and Africa to see thousands saved. Hallelujah. Amen. Thank you. God bless you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:47):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And what we found is that as we go to different nations of the world, it takes us an average of about $1 for every person we’re able to reach with the gospel. And so some countries are more expensive. Some countries are a little bit less expensive, but on average, we’ve invested about $1 for every person we’re able to lead to Jesus. So today I’m asking you to go to my website, King ministries.com and give $1, $2, $5, become a monthly partner, help us to lead people to Jesus. Imagine you can start a party in heaven with just $1. Also go to Apple iTunes, leave us a review for the evangelism podcast with Daniel King. So lots of people can find this evangelism podcast. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (17:42):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit King ministries.com. Again that’s King ministries.com.

Waldy Bershe | On-Fire Evangelist from Germany

Waldy Bershe is an on-fire evangelist from Germany. We ministered together at a Gospel Festival and pastor’s conference in Alexandria, Egypt. Today we talk about how to reach Germany and the world with the good news of Jesus Christ.

Website: https://savingthelost.com

Quotes: “It is important to feed the poor, but it does no good to give someone a full belly if they are going to hell.” – Daniel King

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
My friend Waldy is an on fire evangelists from Germany. We ministered together at a gospel festival and pastors conference in Alexandria, Egypt. Today, we talk about how to reach Germany and the world with the good news of Jesus Christ.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:17):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:55):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. I’m here with my good friend. Valdi from the nation of Germany. Thank you so much for being on the evangelism pod.

Waldy Bershe (01:07):
Yes. Yeah. Thank you for having me. It’s an honor. So we met

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:10):
In the nation of Sweden at a meeting of ACE, the association of campaign evangelists, which has many different Europeans and Scandinavian evangelists who work together to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. And so we met and right after that trip, I was scheduled to go to Egypt and you came and said, can I go on a trip with you sometime? And I said, what are you doing next week? Let’s go to Egypt together. And you said, sure. And so you, you jumped right on that trip. What were some of the things that you remember that God did in?

Waldy Bershe (01:48):
Yeah, we’ve preached in a couple of different cities, like Cairo or Alexandria, and we preached to, to Sudanese refugees and we saw how Muslims came to Christ. We had a pastors and leaders seminar and we taught them and evangelism. And it was life-changing. I learned from you, you are very experienced when it comes to evangelism and it was an honor to join you. And yeah, yeah. I thought that

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:13):
Event in Alexandria was really cool because we looked some at the history of Alexandria, the first evangelist to go there was Mark the gospel writer. And so the legend is the, as he came into Alexandria, his shoe broke and he took it to the local shoe maker. And as the shoe maker was working on the shoe, the, the sharp stick in his hand slipped and went right through his hand. And so Mark prayed for him and the Shoemaker was healed and he became the first convert there. And then after Mark was martyred, they drug him through the streets behind their chariots. Then the Shoemaker became the second Bishop of Alexandria in the Egyptian Coptic church. They continue to trace the history of their bishops going all the way back to Mark, who wrote the gospel of Mark. And so it was cool to preach in the footsteps of one of the disciples of Jesus. And you remember seeing that the pyramids, we had a good time together.

Waldy Bershe (03:18):
That’s true. Yeah. We went to see the pyramids. It was life changing. I mean, the seeing that Christ is still preached in Northern Africa and yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:28):
And so you have been traveling to other nations. What are some of the, the places that you’ve had the chance to go and preach

Waldy Bershe (03:35):
Gospel? Yeah. Preached in countries like Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Vietnam, also couple of countries in Africa, like Cameroon, Kenya, Uganda Brazil

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:50):
Quite a lot. It sounds like. And in Brazil you went with Rubin’s, Konya our good friend from, from Brazil. Great. Brazilian evangelists. And then you, you got to go to, to Kazakhstan, which you actually, you were, you were born in Kazakhstan T tell me about that.

Waldy Bershe (04:05):
I’m German, but I was born in Kazakh, Stan, and yeah, I didn’t visit my country for over 30 years. So just recently I went there and we preach there. We had a possibility to visit churches and the country is not so open for Christianity, but still there are possibilities to share the gospel and yeah, we try to strengthen the body of Christ over there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:28):
And so as you’ve gone to these different nations, what have you seen God do? What kind of miracles have you experienced? What has God been doing as you’ve been preaching?

Waldy Bershe (04:38):
Yeah, I remember we were, we had a crusade in a country in South Asia and there was a Hindu leader and he, his wife has, was blind and he came with his wife to our meeting and yeah, he had this neat. His wife was blind and got opened up the eyes of this wife. And yeah, he confessed Christ in front of thousands of people. This was really life-changing. So we see a lot of miracles that the deaf hear and the cripples walk Christ is still alive. Like the Bible is telling us Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:19):
Amen. And right now we are in Orlando, Florida, and you are attending the evangelism bootcamp with Christ for all nations led by evangelist Daniel Kolenda. The ministry originally started by Reinhardt Bunky. And this is a three month intensive training process for evangelists. Can you tell me, why did you want to come to the evangelism bootcamp?

Waldy Bershe (05:48):
Yeah, it’s crusades in the past, but I still want to learn from the best of the best. And Steven is the best when it comes to evangelism. And yeah, I’m from a small town in, from Germany called Tosh date and right out Punka he was invited as a 16 year old boy by German pasture. And he visited the town. He preached there and the people were touched and he wrote that everything started from this small town. And I know the house where he preached. So as a young boy, I drove by and I said, God, from here, he was sent out to the nations. He touched the whole continent of Africa. Africa has over 1 billion people and almost everyone knows their name of rhino bunkie in Africa. And I said, God, please, can you do it for me again too? And yeah, God granted me the vision. And I’m able to visit the CIF and bootcamp and learn from Daniel Kolenda used the successor of Reinhardt Bunky. They brought over 80 million people to Christ and it’s really life-changing

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:51):
Well, and so a few years ago before Reinhard Bunky went to heaven, you actually had the opportunity to, to meet him and talk to him. What was that like to meet a fellow great German evangelist?

Waldy Bershe (07:05):
Yeah. Ryan at Bungie was really impressive. We talked about crusade. He had in Hamburg and he was preaching there in this 2 million city. And yeah, he had some opposition, but he was willing to press on and preach the gospel. It was raining, but he still continued to preach. And a lot of people heard the gospel and the area where he started his ministry.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:31):
And so not only are you going to different nations in Asia and Africa and South America, but you also have a heart for your own country of Germany. But the, the atmosphere in Germany is very different than in some nations. What is the general spiritual atmosphere? If you, if you talk to someone about God, what’s that like in Germany,

Waldy Bershe (07:59):
Germany is kind of a hard ground because Germany is a wealthy country that people don’t need. God. So they say, okay, I have everything. I have a house, I have a job I’m healthy. Why do I need God? So but still there was this inner Vite in their, in their heart and their there’s still an inner longing for something, but they don’t know what it is. And the gospel is we have to preach the gospel in Germany, but the people are still resisting and saying, okay, you have your own belief. You can believe what you want. I will believe. And do my thing. Just please stay away from me, you know, but Germany has a lot of great heritage. Germany is the country of Martin Luther muffin rulers. There were, he reformed the faith 500 years ago and he translated the Bible. So I’m very thankful for the forefathers in Germany. They brought the gospel to the whole, we have the Moravians in Germany, they preach the gospel all over. They went to the forest corners and yeah, nations were touched by the Moravian. So we have great heritage. And we have to bring the gospel again, back to Europe, back to Germany.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:11):
Amen. I mean, Martin Luther had such a tremendous impact on Protestant Christianity. And I’m so thankful for, for a great German like him. And like you said, the Moravians, I know that they love to pray. In fact there is a place on the East coast of the United States that the Moravians pray 24 hours a day for over a hundred years, the Moravian missionaries that came in. So I believe that if God can do it once God can do it again. So I pray for all of Germany to be saved. So, so you’ve actually worked with some of the churches in Germany, training them in evangelism. Tell me some of, of what that looks like and what response you’ve had from people as you’ve gone out on the streets.

Waldy Bershe (10:00):
What I do is training evangelists in Germany. We visited churches and train them to share the gospel and on the streets, but also the working places. And a couple of years ago I was just, we went to the drag scene and I saw a guy who was refugee from Iran. And I invited him to McDonald’s and I shared the gospel with him. And he said, you know, you’re the first person inviting me to eat too. And he opened up his heart, he started to cry and he received Christ. And now he is an active member in the church. He’s leading other people from Iran to Christ and it’s sometimes very simple. Sometimes we say, yeah, who am I? I’m just a normal person, but you still can change a life by just actively approaching people. And for me, it was really great to see. I just went to a person preached and now he is he is discipling other Iranian refugees.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:02):
So, so you’ve actually taken churches from Germany, out on the streets in Germany, talking to people about Jesus. What’s the response of a typical German? What do they do? They laugh at you, do they ignore you? Do they try to walk away? How do people usually respond?

Waldy Bershe (11:22):
They say most of the people say, okay, I don’t have time for that. So you have your own belief. I have my belief don’t bother me, but there are still a lot of people they are open and yeah, they’re receptive.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:34):
So if someone says, don’t bother me, you have your belief. I have my belief, just leave me alone. What do you do to, to, to overcome that objection or to

Waldy Bershe (11:44):
Sometimes I’m asking them a very direct question. I’m asking them if you die tonight, where are you going to spend eternity? And then they start to think, man, that’s a important question. Where are you going to spend eternity? And then it opens a little bit up. And sometimes we can lead them to Christ and it’s very needy there in Germany. Germany wants the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:05):
Amen. Well, I think Germany is just as much a mission field as some of the other places that I’ve gone. I mean, sometimes you can go to a nation Africa and end a large percentage of the population may already be Christian. And in, in Germany they they’ve said that Europe is, is a post-Christian continent, but I don’t think it has to be called post-Christian. I think let’s say it is pre-Christian it is coming to Jesus. It will come back to Christ. I believe that we will see a great harvest of souls in Germany, as well as an, in other parts of the world. And so you are full of fire, full of passion for evangelism. And for, as you’ve been getting started in evangelism, you’ve, you’ve had your job there in Germany, but the time is coming where you want to, to go into full-time evangelism. Is that right? What, what do you see God doing in the future? Yes,

Waldy Bershe (13:03):
My goal is to be full-time evangelist and future. So before I was working full, I had a normal job, but I really want to be obedient to the call of God. So I had a great job. Yeah, but in the end, God is not going to ask you what kind of nice job you had or how much money did you make, but what did you do for Christ? How many people that you brought for to Jesus? So it really like your goal. Your goal was to be a soul millionaire by the end of 30. And you achieved the goal actually. And now you brought 2 million people to Christ and as has men Daniel King, he made it he’s my role model. I wanted to do it in future too. And yeah, I’m right now, I’m figuring out a way how to reach 1 million people through Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:47):
Amen. Well, I believe with you that God can bring that to pass in Jesus’ name. Well, if someone wants to know more about your ministry or to get in touch with you, what is your web

Waldy Bershe (14:00):
Address? If we were at risk called saving the lost.com saving the lost.com. So I’m not into feeding the poor, but saving the lost and yeah, you can visit my website. Yeah,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:14):
It is very important to feed the poor. There’s a lot of poor people, but it does no good to give someone a full belly if they are going to hell. And so ultimately we have to help people make a decision to live for Christ so that they will spend eternity with him in heaven. And so thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. It’s really wonderful to meet you in Sweden and then spend time with you in Egypt. And now here we are in Orlando and I believe that God has great things in store for you and for your ministry. May God give you a million and even

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:52):
More in Jesus’ name. Hey man, I believe it. Amen. I take it. God bless you. Thanks

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:57):
So much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And what we’ve found is that as we go to different nations of the world, it takes us an average of about $1 for every person we’re able to reach with the gospel. And so some countries are more expensive. Some countries are a little bit less expensive, but on average, we’ve invested about $1 for every person we’re able to lead to Jesus. So today I’m asking you to go to my website, King ministries.com and give $1, $2, $5, become a monthly partner, help us to lead people to Jesus. Imagine you can start a party in heaven with just $1. Also go to Apple iTunes, leave us a review for the evangelism podcast with Daniel King. So lots of people can find this evangelism podcast. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (15:51):
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Jack Myers – Revivalist, Evangelist, & Pastor Who Loves Evangelism

Jack Myers has been my friend for many years. When we first met, I showed him a picture of a massive miracle crusade. He said, “I want to learn how to do that.” I invited him to come to my next crusade in the nation of Haiti. I started mentoring and coaching him and ever since he has been doing crusades around the world telling people about Jesus.

Who is Jack Myers? Dr. Jack Myers was born again at the age of twelve and baptized with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues at the age of seventeen. In 1993, Dr. Myers has an encounter with The Holy Spirit that radically changed his life. He and his wife later attended Rhema Bible Training Center in Broken Arrow, OK.  He also has his Doctorate degree from Life Christian University. Dr. Jack holds healing /miracle crusades in the U.S. and many foreign countries around the world. God comes and confirms His Word with signs and
 wonders following, with healings, miracles, salvations.

Website: https://www.jackmyersministries.com

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Transcript: 

Evangelist Daniel King (00:00):
Dr. Jack Myers has been my friend for many years. When we first met, I showed him a picture of a large gospel crusade. And he said, I want to learn how to do that. So I said, why don’t you come with me on my next crusade to the nation of Haiti. So he came and I began to mentor him and coach him and doing crusades. And ever since he’s been traveling to the nations, leading people to Jesus,

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:27):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelists Daniel King.

Evangelist Daniel King (01:03):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest, Dr. Jack Myers from plant city, Florida. Thank you so much for being a guest on the evangelism podcast. Dr.

Jack Myers (01:17):
King really appreciates an honor and privilege

Evangelist Daniel King (01:20):
And so you pastor a church here in plant city, but you are also an evangelist and we’ve known each other for, for quite a while. Tell me a little bit of the story of how you be came an evangelists.

Jack Myers (01:33):
Well, you know many years ago I gave my heart to Jesus when I was 12 and it got filled with the Holy ghost of 17, but when I gave him a heart to Jesus at 12, I felt like I was called to the ministry. And I remember calling my father on the phone and I telling him, I said, dad, you know, I feel like I’m going to be in the ministry. And he was very excited about that. And then of course, you know, I got married when I was 19. My wife was 18, but when I was 26 years old, I had a major encounter with God that radically changed my life forever. And I guess you could say at 26, I answered the call to the ministry. And we were attending a small church at that time. And for about three years we did anything and everything in the church that that needed to be done.

Jack Myers (02:21):
And at the end of three years we gave away a business that we were doing and we moved to Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I attended Raymond Bible training center. And I entered into the evangelist class. My wife entered into the missionaries class and I just felt that call. It was a burn on the inside to win souls. I mean, if you’re called to be an evangelist, you just can’t get away in your favorite messages about Jesus. I love to talk about Jesus. And so I felt that burn to do evangelism. So basically it was like revival for the church evangelism for the world, you know, so we want to do Oswald J Smith wrote a book called a passion for souls. And he made a comment in that, in that book, he said nothing less than a genuine revival, that results in awakening among the unsaved will ever satisfy the heart of God.

Jack Myers (03:12):
So God’s heartbeat is souls. And when you’re called to be an evangelist, you, you, you, you, you eat, you drink you dream you’re your whole mission is to get people saved. And so we went through Bible college and always wanted to do crusade evangelism. So I think it was probably about five years into full-time ministry. It took a process from the time I answered the call to go through Bible school, going through jobs and then going full time. And it was probably about five to probably six years. I met you Reverend Daniel. And I remember we were at Oh, happy day. It was a great day. Actually. It was a great day that my life changed forever when I met you and we were at a pastor’s conference. And I remember you came up to me and you introduce yourself to me and we kind of hit it off where I kind of kindred spirits.

Jack Myers (04:02):
And you showed me a crusade that you just got back from. And when I saw those multitudes of multiple multitudes of people, you were telling me about all the miracles and healings, I asked you, how did you do that? Can you teach me how to this? And I think we got a, probably about a 10 year age difference. I mean, I’m going to be 55 in may, and you’re how old now just 40 twos. Okay. So there was a big 15 year, almost 15 year difference, but thank God. I was humbled enough to be able to learn from a younger man who had experienced something that I would done. And then I met you and you say, come on a crusade with me. So we went to want to mint Haiti, which was the first crusade I was on. And then you introduced me to one of your crusade directors that you had

Evangelist Daniel King (04:46):
Fernando Fleming down in Dominican Republic, who is a great friend, a great man of God. And he’s done many crusades there in both Haiti and in the Dominican Republic. And so after you came on that first crusade and won them at which, which in, in Haiti, there’s always a wild time having crusades. It seems like the demons are wild there. And so that was a very unique crusade there, but you participate. I think we didn’t have electricity. And in the hotel, we barely had food to eat. The meat on the chicken were so tough. They said that they were marathon running chickens, and we had some wild, crazy miracles that week. But you caught the vision to start doing crusades. And so then you did your first crusade in Dominican Republic with pastor Fernando Fleming. Now you told me how much money you had in your pocket or in the bank account.

Evangelist Daniel King (05:46):
When you committed to doing that first crusade, how much did you have saved up that you could put towards doing a crusade $39? So you had $39 and I assumed crusade costs more than $39, 30,000. It was $30,000. So, so you made a commitment to go and raise $30,000 when you had $39. And I had 12 months to do it in your bank account. And I’d never raised $30,000 before and in my ministry up until this point. So that was a huge step of faith for you to do what happened at that first crusade you managed to raise the money. Yeah. Did you see miracles? Did people get, say what happened?

Jack Myers (06:21):
Well, it actually changed my destiny. It really, really did. I remember. So basically you made me ask you, so how, how can you go from $39 to $30,000? Well some of the keys that I’ve learned over the years now, we’ve been in the ministry 25 years now. Okay. And some of the keys that I learned about winning the loss, if you can share the vision of winning souls, God will always make sure you have the money to do it. Because like I said souls is his heartbeat. So if you have a passion for souls, I mean, that’s the reason why Jesus came to seek and to save that, which was lost. And so if you have a passion for souls and you, you, you project that vision, God will lay it on people’s hearts to support your ministry. And so in one year we we went from $39 and we raised $30,000.

Jack Myers (07:22):
And there were some people that gave $2. There was some people that gave $10 that a lot of people gave $20. There were some churches that they caught a hold of the vision. We would just share the vision. There wasn’t any pressure. I didn’t put any pressure. The only pressure I put was on God to meet that need, because I would tell him, you know, you, you, your heartbeat is souls. You know, you want to install it, but it takes finances though. And is the gospels for free, but it takes money to win. And so for an entire year, we would just share the vision with anybody and everybody’s social media. I mean, anytime I had an opportunity where we’re going to the Dominican, we’re going to the Dominica, we’re going to the maker, we’re going to go install. We’re going to go in cells.

Jack Myers (07:56):
And we did it passionately, but we did a truthfully and sure enough, by 12 months later, we had, we had the $30,000 and we did our first grade crusade. And I guess it was a San Juan Dominican Republic. And we had an attendance of between 30 to 40,000 that was there. And the miracles were amazing. And we brought our first team. We had 16 people on our first team, 16 Americans came. And I remember on the last night of the crusade, which was on a Friday night, the place was just packed. The field was packed like sardines. And I remember when we finished the crusade, myself, my wife and the team, we decided to go off the platform and make our way to the hotel because the hotel and the crusade grounds were like back-to-back. And when I stepped off the platform, the entire crowd shifted.

Jack Myers (08:47):
So in other words, I’m looking at the crown and sh we stepped off to the right side of the platform and the whole crowd shifted. And then they started to press, which was a little, a little dangerous kind of thing. You know, when you cut it, you gotta be real careful with that. I mean, we tried to dismiss everybody, but nobody wanted to leave. And then I remember I just started praying for people and they were falling under the power. And then the crowd started pressing me more. And then I just waved my hand and said in the name of Jesus and the crowds were falling like 30, 40 people, they were making a pathway for us all the way to the hotel. And then when we made it into the hotel grounds, the crowd kind of followed out into the streets. We went into the hotel lobby.

Jack Myers (09:25):
People started coming into the hotel because the miracles were happening. So, so crazily. And then eventually the management they’ve shoved us into the dining area and had to close the double doors. And then w w when our team sat down, all of our teams sat down. We all started crying, all of a sudden burst out in tears. And I, and then I, and it came to me when Jesus said that he was in the press, people pressed on him. And it was just, it was a very humbling moment, but it was a very surreal moment when you do your first crusade and then you’re like hooked, that’s it, you’re done. You got to do them. And so we’ve been doing them for 15 years. Okay.

Evangelist Daniel King (09:59):
You got addicted to doing crusades, leading people to Jesus. There’s no feeling like it, actually having the opportunity to lead someone to Jesus. And so since then, how many crusades approximately, would you say that you’ve done?

Jack Myers (10:11):
Oh my gosh, we’ve done because you’ve

Evangelist Daniel King (10:13):
Been doing like one or two

Jack Myers (10:15):
For 15 years. 15 years. Yeah. Sometimes three, depending on what year we can do 15 to 20. Yeah. I would say, I would say that maybe 25 max. Okay. Twenty-five max. What are some of the countries that you’ve, Oh my gosh. We’ve been to a country of Nepal. We’ve been to Burma. We’ve been to Dominican Republic. We’ve been to Haiti. We’ve been to Nicaragua. We’ve been to El Salvador. We’ve been to Honduras, a lot of work in hon. I say a lot of work in Honduras and a lot, a lot of work in the Dominican Republic. So it seems to be Mexico. I think those, but we’ve been back several times. Yeah. So I can’t think of any other,

Evangelist Daniel King (10:56):
Your, your ministry is very multifaceted. You you’ve been doing the crusades, doing the work of an evangelist and there’s different nations overseas, often even taking large teams

Jack Myers (11:07):
Of people with 100 people.

Evangelist Daniel King (11:09):
Wow. And so giving over a hundred people on a, on a crusade, a chance to see God do miracles for themselves. And then here in the United States, you, you have the church here in plant city, Florida. Right. So, so let’s talk about being in evangelistic church. What does your church do to reach out evangelistically to the community? Cause I think it’s really unique to have a person who is called to be an evangelist, but also pastoring.

Jack Myers (11:40):
Right, right, right. So we started the church 11 years ago. And when we planted the church, we were, we felt led to the Lord to cut a plant, a base, a launching base. And I’m not saying that every evangelist should do that. I’m just that you have to be totally led with that. Not everybody, not none of your managers should have a base that, you know, and, but not every pastor should either kind of thing. So is you have to be totally out of the Lord. So we planted the church here and the church came out of Jack Meyers ministries. So Jack Meyers ministries didn’t come out of the church. So it was kind of the opposite. Sometimes you knew you have a church and you launch front. But when we planted the church, not only did we plant the church, we also planted a Bible school.

Jack Myers (12:20):
So we had the church, we had the Bible school and then we had the world missions. And, and so, and we strategically planted because we’re only like 40 minutes from, from Orlando or 40 minutes from Tampa international airport. So that’s where we want to be. And so kind of like I have a launching place. So from the very moment that we launched the church, we also launched our evangelism skills because we traveled extensively for 10 years. I mean, 15 years, that’s all we did was travel. And it just seemed to be the right time to launch a base. And so we started out by going out on Saturdays, we’d pass out flyers. And so w what I wanted to do was, is because we’re originally from Florida. I had preached a lot in Florida with several of my pastors friends, and I didn’t want to be close to them.

Jack Myers (13:09):
So I wanted to be at least 40 to 45 minutes from all of our pastor friends that we’ve done meetings, because we didn’t want to pull anybody out of those churches. I think that a character and integrity is very important when it comes to ministry. Not only that pastor Rodney Howard Brown is my pastor. So he has a church it’s about 35 minutes from us. So I remember calling him on the phone and I said, pastor, you said, yes, sir. And he said, brother, Jack, how are you? And I said, I’m doing well. I said, I feel out of the Lord to plant a church in plant city. I said, we’ve been around everywhere. I said, we’re only 30 minutes from you. And I said, if you tell me, no, sir, we won’t do it. So that gives you a submission to authority thing.

Jack Myers (13:47):
And he’s his brother. He’s a plan city. They’re going to hell. They needed, they need a church. So we planted a church. And so, and we consulted with our board and we actually talked to like 25 different pastors. And we interviewed them before we started the church. Cause we wanted to know what they should have did what they wish to do. They wanted to do how they could have done it. So we did a lot of counseling. We met with our board at council with our board. And so not only did we do with God, but we also consultant. And then they said, yes, this is the right time. You need to do it. So for 11 years, almost every Saturday, we’ve done an outreach. And we actually rented the plant city stadium, which could hold about 4,000 people. And we did the first back in 2017, we did the first Easter outreach at the plant city stadium. We had 2,500 people come. We gave away 30,000

Evangelist Daniel King (14:35):
City. That’s a huge crop plant city is not huge. Right? So to bring 2,500 people into a stadium in plant city is a miracle. Yeah.

Jack Myers (14:45):
Really huge event because plant city is a 20 by 22 mile radius, but they probably about 130 churches here. So there’s a lot of churches, you know? And so at that time, the population was probably about 35,000. There we’re at 39, almost 40,000 now. So at that time we were between 30 and 35,000. So to have 2,500 people come to the stadium, which is huge. And we cast a huge net, a lot of people gave their hearts to Christ. We had, and we set up a water Baptist. We’ll take about 25 people in their clothes, got water baptized. Plus we gave 30,000 Easter eggs away. We had planned, we had the mayor from plant city come and address the crowd. And we had a a a Christian rap artists named minister he’s pastoring. Now his name is Mike and he did some songs and all that kinda stuff.

Jack Myers (15:34):
And so, and we spent about $15,000 on that. So, but we were swinging the bat pretty hard almost every Saturday for 11 years that we’ve been doing it. And so we hit the parks. We, we, we go out and knocking on doors, we’ll go into the city into the into the like what Walmart area we get permission. Of course they don’t. We work with them, the local businesses and all that kind of stuff. And we, we do an outreach. We want to get people saved and that’s, and that’s our heart. And that’s how we’ve kind of done it.

Evangelist Daniel King (16:05):
And then in addition to doing the overseas work and pastoring the church here, you also go to churches and preach revivals. Right? So let’s talk about what the American church needs in the area of revival. What, what do you think God wants to do here in the church in America?

Jack Myers (16:25):
You know people ask me Dr. Jack, what, what is, what is really revival? What revival, let me say what revival is not revival is not your yearly spring revival where you put, you can put a revival sign on the outside of the church.

Evangelist Daniel King (16:39):
You put it on the calendar and say, these two days are when God’s gonna make

Jack Myers (16:42):
Right. As long as it’s not. Okay. Okay. So row, just because there’s the, the church has their yearly revival. Doesn’t necessarily the people in the inside are being revived. So revival is for the church. What does that mean? It brings you back to your first love. It’s that having an encounter with the word and encounter with the spirit that brings you back to your first, love it read [inaudible] it really fires you up. It brings you to that place where you are passionate for winning the lost again, because you know, over a period of time, people can, you know, you get around some religious people, you get around and you can get kind of dry, you know, revivals like the rain of falls on a dry soil. That’s been parched in the sun for a long time as what revival does, because you have to have, you have to have soil and you have to have rain for things to grow. And so revival brings you back to your first love. That’s what really revival is. And that’s for the church, that results in an awakening. I’m when to say, so I say like this revivals for the church, but vitals for the worlds. And that’s what that does. I mean, Bibles for the church, but vitals for the world, Bible Bible is for the world Bibles for the world. All right.

Evangelist Daniel King (17:50):
Yeah. Yeah. And so the evangelistic crusades would be for the loss, correct? You’re going into the community, leading people to Jesus. The revival is more to get the church fired back up, get them on fire for God, get them back to their first love for Jesus. That’s awesome. So what advice would you give to someone who feels called to be an evangelist or, or to a pastor who wants to be more evangelistic?

Jack Myers (18:17):
One of my spiritual mentors is Kenneth Hagan, of course he’s with the Lord. And when we were in Bible college, he actually made a very profound statement. He said, every evangelists should pastor for two years, and every pastor should evangelize for two years. And I’m kind of thinking it should be a little longer. I mean, he said that about 40 years ago, but I think, I think pastors and evangelists and evangelists and pastors, they need to work together. We both have a very dear friend of ours is Todd delay. And I was in his church recently and he said, pastors need evangelists. And I said to him, evangelist, ne pastors, that’s true. And I think we need to work together. You know, a pastor is like a general practitioner, but in an advantage is, is very specific spearheads. He or she, he or she stirs up the church to go out into the community because sometimes, you know, a church can be in bread, you know, hi, my name is Darryl.

Jack Myers (19:14):
This my brother, Darryl robo, Darryl. We’re the Daryl brothers. We’re all in bread. No, God, God doesn’t want him bread illness. He wants outreach. And, and even though a pastor can do the work of an evangelist, there’s still, but there’s not the gifting there. You know, you can do the work, but the anointing, the, the advantages is very specific. It’s almost like you know, on your hand, on your right hand. So you’re, you got the five-point ministry on your, on your right hand. Your thumb is the apostle. You got your forefinger, that’s the prophet. And then your middle finger is the evangelist. And then your fourth finger is the pastor. And then the small finger, your pinky is the teacher. So if you look, you can see that the evangelists has far reaching. So there’s giftings with the evangelists that the pastor does not have the pastor.

Jack Myers (19:58):
He, he looks good to the people. He even wears a ring. He looks good. So the evangelists he throws, the net, brings the fish in and the pastor cleans them up. And that’s the reason why we have to work together in the five fold ministry. That’s the reason why the advantages in the pastor have to, because my friend, pastor Todd, he told me that he said, he said, he in one of the meetings, he said he had a vision. And he said he was in a foxhole and there was a war going on. And he said, he popped up with his, you know, his [inaudible] go back down. He said, he popped back up, dah, dah, dah. And he said, he saw me out of nowhere, just come running across the field and jumped into the fossil and took two syringes of adrenaline and just heading what hit know my friend’s a pastor, right? Hits them with the adrenaline. He said, he hopped out Fox hall. Now he’s running toward the enemy, like fast speed. He said, that’s what an evangelist to her pastor.

Evangelist Daniel King (20:48):
He comes in and just infuses gets by, brings the wind in the pastor sales so that the pastor can continue to go on and reach the community. So the evangelists brings the adrenaline to get the body of Christ going out to the law and fuses in infuses the pastor to keep going. That’s awesome. Yeah. Well, thank you, pastor Jack, Dr. Jack evangelists, Jack Myers, revivalist, Jack Myers. Thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. I just so value your ministry and everything that God is doing through you. And thank you so much for being on the podcast today. Amen. So we want to thank all you guys for watching. This is international evangelists, Daniel King, and we want to share, I want you to share this on YouTube and a sheriff, tell all your friends we’re going to post it on his channel. And so we would want to say, thank you for watching. God bless you. And we’ll see you soon.

Evangelist Daniel King (21:42):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And what we found is that as we go to different nations of the world, it takes us an average of about $1 for every person we’re able to reach with the gospel. And so some countries are more expensive. Some countries are a little bit less expensive, but on average, we’ve invested about $1 for every person we’re able to lead to Jesus. So today I’m asking you to go to my website, King ministries.com and give $1, $2, $5, become a monthly partner, help us to lead people to Jesus. Imagine you can start a party in heaven with just $1. Also go to Apple iTunes, leave us a review for the evangelism podcast with Daniel King. So lots of people can find this evangelism podcast. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (22:36):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

Finu Iype | A Passion to Reach the Lost

Finu Iype is the founder of Passion to Reach Ministries. He is impacting Canada and the world with the Gospel. Today he talks about why local churches need to have a paradigm shift in how they reach out to the lost.

Questions for Finu Iype:

You have had a huge impact on Canada and on other nations around the world. When you were 15 years old, you saw a vision of people falling into a lake of fire. Tell me about that vision and how it impacted your life.

How can a church develop missional thinking?

How did your ministry get started?

You have developed a Missional Church Blueprint that helps turn churches into missional churches. Talk about the three distinct phases of this process and tell me how this process helps churches.

The Greater Toronto Area is cosmopolitan and multi-cultural. There are many different religions and many different nations represented. How do you reach people for Jesus in this post-modern, post-Christian environment?

Books Mentioned:

Websites: 

https://thisisvillagechurch.com

https://www.passiontoreach.com

 

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Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
The new hype is the founder of passion to reach ministries. He is impacting Canada and the world with the gospel today, he talks about why local churches need to have a paradigm shift in how they reach out to the lost.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:16):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord, be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:51):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m very excited to have one of my good friends from Canada with me, the new EIT. Thank you so much for joining me on the evangelism podcast.

Finu Iype (01:04):
Daniel, I am so thrilled, super honored to be on the podcast with you. I’m so grateful for our friendship and for everything God’s doing through King ministries international and yeah, just love what you and Jessica all about and your family, and great to be great to be on the show today

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:26):
For new, you’ve had a tremendous impact on Canada helping the churches of Canada. And you’ve also done a lot of ministry in other nations around the world, but let’s start at the beginning. When you were 15 years old, you saw a vision of people falling into a Lake of fire. Can you tell me about that vision and how it impacted your life?

Finu Iype (01:47):
Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, quick backstory, I grew up, my parents are originally from South India. I was born and raised in a little Island in the middle East called the kingdom of Bahrain. And my parents were believers. They were my mom was second generation. Her dad was a Brahmin Hindu who came to Jesus through a vision of Jesus actually. And then my dad was first-generation you know, evangelical, born again, baptized Christian. They were in previously Orthodox, nominal Christians back in India. So grew up in a Christian home and had the call of God on my life from when I was really young. Actually I think it was 10 years old when I had the first person that I can remember pray for me. And basically give me a prophetic word and say, God’s gonna use me around the, around the world to preach the gospel.

Finu Iype (02:39):
And there’s the last thing I wanted to do, Daniel. Honestly, it wasn’t, it wasn’t like, it was like, yes, I got this prophetic word. It was like, no, no, I don’t want to do this. It’s the last thing I want to do because you know, our context at the time was we were in the middle East and all these pastors and, and, and, you know, ministry leaders would come from India to raise money, you know, cause the middle East is obviously more prosperous and they would come to raise funds. So that was my context of what ministry was going to look like. And I don’t want anything to do with it. And then when I was about 12 or so 12 or 13, I had the skin condition on my face that broke out where literally all of my face. I mean, your audience can’t see me, but I, like I said, I’m from India.

Finu Iype (03:18):
So my skin is Brown, but my skin, my face Daniel looked sort of like your face. It was white. Like it just like we’re all over the skin on my face was peeling off. Went through a really rough time. You can imagine going to high school, a Brown kid with with white patches all over his face. And so yeah, went to the best doctors we could in in Bahrain at the time, went to the American mission hospital which was the best. And yeah, I mean the dermatologist there after two years of treatment said to me for new, I really don’t know what to do. Like I’ve tried everything. The only other option is to do a biopsy of your skin on your face, but that’s most likely going to leave a scar on your face for the rest of your life.

Finu Iype (04:01):
So you need to think about this. So I, I go home and I’m completely devastated, 15 years old, Daniel. And I’m like, God, I don’t, I don’t understand why, why do I have to go through this? None of my friends, even, you know, people that don’t know Jesus have don’t seemingly are not struggling with anything like this. So why, why me? You know what I’m so I’m praying and I’m just crying out to God one night. And all of a sudden I see this vision and I end the vision. It’s like hundreds of thousands of people are walking to the edge of a cliff. Like almost like zombies, you know, like they don’t know what’s really going on. They’re not connected to reality. They’re just sort of following the crowd kind of deal. And then they, when they get to the edge of the cliff, they’re actually going to fall over into this Lake of fire.

Finu Iype (04:45):
And until they get to the last row, they don’t realize that’s what’s going to happen at that point there, I could literally see their faces, the horrified look on their faces and, and they’re trying to pull back, but they can’t. And so they basically get pushed over the edge and I can hear their screams and I’m crying and I’m weeping. I am way I’m like somebody, this thing is so real. To me, it’s a vision, obviously it’s not real, but it’s, it’s so real that I’m like physically just weeping for these people that I’m saying, somebody tell them, this is literally what I say out loud. Somebody tell them somebody tell them. And then, you know, I’ve been a Christian for, you know, most of my life at that point, I give my life to Jesus when I was seven baptized when I was 12 being a, you know, a part of a church the whole time.

Finu Iype (05:29):
And I never thought about souls. Like I never thought about another person other than me, you know, we grew up in a very traditional Indian church where it was like we, you know, we would do like our pastors would wear white only for the most part. You know, the women in our churches would not wear any most of the most part, no makeup, no ornaments, no jewelry, nothing like that. Like it was very like traditional legalistic kind of. And so the concept, even though I don’t think I ever heard anyone say it out loud, you know, the underlying philosophy of what it meant to be a Christian was we are people that have made sacrifices and live differently from the world. So we’re going to go to heaven and the world’s going to go to hell and you need to stay away from the world.

Finu Iype (06:12):
That was the sort of thinking. And so never even thought about it. Wait a minute, we live in a Muslim nation. We live with Arabs all around us. Like these people need Jesus. Aye, aye, aye, aye. Half jokingly. But it’s true. Say, you know, we would, you know, any people we love to pray. Okay. Let’s sorta like the Africans in that sense, like we’re always praying. Like we had prayer meetings every day of the week. We had all night prayers, fasting prayers, 24 hour chain prayer meetings, right? Constant prayer. I don’t remember one prayer meeting ever. The, I lived there for 17 years that was called to pray for Bahrain, like pray for the people of this nation. So so I share that context to tell you that this vision is so out of the ordinary, I’ve never experienced anything like it. And for the first time in my life, I’m actually thinking about souls.

Finu Iype (06:57):
And, and that night, the Lord spoke to me, Daniel. And he said to me, your life belongs to me. C w when I was four from when I was 10 to that point, when I was 15, my mom would always remind me, but all these, you know, sort of prophetic words, like anyone with any kind of a prophetic gift that would come to our church would basically say, you know, you’re going to, you’re going to travel the world. You’re going to preach the gospel. Right. And I’d always say to my mom, I’ll never do it. I’ll never do it. I’d say my life belongs to me and I’m going to decide what I’m going to do with my life. So that night, you know, the Lord speaks to me and says, your life belongs to me. And I surrender my life. So if you asked me, when was the moment you surrender the rest of your life to preaching the gospel and doing what God’s called you to do? It would be that day, December 7th, 2000, I was 15 years old. And that was the moment.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:46):
Wow. And so you launched out into ministry share with me some of the history of your ministry and what you’ve done since that moment.

Finu Iype (07:58):
Yeah. I mean, that’s a, that’s a loaded question. It could be a pretty long answer, so I’ll try to keep it short. So anyways, I mean, I guess after the vision, I’m 15, you know, I, I started in my life to ministry. The Lord ends up. So I ended up going, not going back to the doctors or, you know, taking the medication cause it was all these side effects. And I said, if God really spoke to me that I’m going to trust him to heal me. So I know that this is really God’s plan for my life. So a year later a pastor comes to a home praise for some oil asked me to apply it on my face, just this regular cooking oil, not like, you know, olive oil from Israel or any, any of that fancy stuff, you know, just like zero cholesterol, canola oil kind of thing, you know, and he just prays for it.

Finu Iype (08:38):
And he’s like, you know, for new, I believe God’s going to heal you. And I just need you to put this in your face for a week and see what happens and sure enough, I was totally healed. And I went through like another, like very major healing experience. I don’t want to take time to talk about that right now. But so after that at the age of 17 through a series of what I can only say are like, you know, God opportunities and doors that opened up. I moved to Canada, Toronto to go to Bible college when I was 18. And and my heart was, you know, I want to preach the gospel because I had had multiple sort of words from the Lord that said I would go to Canada. This is before Canada was ever even part of the conversation.

Finu Iype (09:22):
You know, as far as going to a Bible college, in fact, it’s funny. One of the opportunities I had was at oral Roberts university in Tulsa, where you are cause we had someone related to our family that worked on staff there. And so they had reached out and said, Hey, you know, I know you want to go into ministry. You know, it’s already you and you know, something you’d consider it and I would have loved to, but when I prayed, I sense that, that wasn’t the direction in Canada was the direction. So the Lord has said to me from Canada, you’re going to go around the world. And so I got here at 18 and right away, I was like, I got to preach the gospel, you know, and I got to let people know and that kind of thing. And it was hard because a lot of the people I went to school with were, were not necessarily there yet.

Finu Iype (10:02):
They weren’t there. Like, let’s, let’s get a team together, let’s go out. And so I think it was when I was 19 or so I connected with a person that ended up being my mentor was a pastor at the time. I think it was in the sixties and being with the the POC would just basically the summits of God in Canada. And I said, you know what, for new, I, I really sense that the hand of the Lord is on you for evangelism. And I want to help set things up for you. So basically from when I was 19 Daniel, I would go into like all these rural towns. Right. So outside of the Toronto area, talk to pastors, like cold call them door knock. Right. And it was stopped. Like, you know, I’m a Brown kid from a country called battery that no one’s heard about with a name, like for new eyes that most people can’t pronounce until the fifth or sixth try.

Finu Iype (10:51):
And you know, I’m like, you know, I’m showed up to town saying, I want to be the evangelists for you guys. And I want to bring their lives, Georgia, also church and the Baptist church altogether, we rent out a ballroom in a hotel and preach the gospel, you know? And, and it’s, it’s hilarious. Cause I, I feel sad in some sense or sorry for the people that were in those initial meetings. Cause I don’t even think they could probably fully understand everything I would say because of my accent, you know, like, you know, in the Indian now in the Indians, have you ever come across somebody that grew up in India or grew up in an Indian family, we struggle with certain words and certain pronunciation. So the one that I always struggled with, which is sort of universal people, I guess from Indian background is V’s and W’s right.

Finu Iype (11:35):
So I keep saying the window is open, you know what I’m saying? And, and so John would always my mentor that’s like for new it’s window, not Bendo. So, so I’d constantly have to like be, be trained even in my speech. But you know, Daniel, when I think back to that, I haven’t even talked about this in long. So it’s refreshing going back to these memories. What stands out to me is passion. Like it didn’t, I mean, I wasn’t probably the best communicator bro. And I was, I was in second year of Bible college, like I was new to Canada. So probably there wasn’t a lot of cultural contextualization going on or any of that, but it was like, for me it was like I’d experienced something and I wanted other people to experience the same thing. Like I had experienced Jesus. I had experienced his power, his healing power.

Finu Iype (12:23):
I’d experienced that the presence of, of Jesus I’d experienced forgiveness of sins. I’d experienced the reality of, Hey, we’re going to a crisis eternity without faith in Jesus, you know, eternity away from God, eternity in hell. And I want people to know that there is an answer, there is a solution. His name is Jesus. And if you put your trust in him, not your works, but if you put your trust in him, he will save you and he will transform your life. And that was it. Like he was passionate, you know, like money, like, you know, I had met Daniel. I talk about this often that people complain about, Oh, you know what, no, one’s paying me a salary. I’m like, I didn’t go shopping. When I moved to Canada for the first, maybe four years, three or four years, like it was ridiculous. Okay. I was wearing the same stuff, all my initial suits case. So back in the day, I’m sorry to say this, but I wear a lot of suits and ties. Cause part of, you know, how we were trained in ministry, you know, you, you sort of dress,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:13):
You can’t be anointed unless you have the right suit on. And if you can embroider your logo on it even better,

Finu Iype (13:20):
I didn’t get that far. We didn’t, we raise that much money right. For the gold embroidery. But but yeah, my suits are all hand me downs. There was just, people would just say, Hey, if you know, I have this also that I want to give away, do you want it? And that’s my, so like, it didn’t matter. We didn’t have the, I didn’t have the funds to do it. And literally every meeting, it was like, God, I just pray that you would provide that the money will come in and the offering or a business person in that town would write a check for us or whatever. And I was making, I remember we were turning over probably dollars in the thousands and my salary a month at the time was $100. I mean, I lived with family. So that helped, I, I had some relatives in Toronto area at the time, but yeah, a hundred dollars.

Finu Iype (14:01):
I mean probably buy me coffee for the month, but that was it. So no shopping, no nos expenses, but, but the ministry was growing a lot faster because I was like, I just want to go preach the gospel. And yeah, man, that was, that was where I learned. That’s where I learned to figure it out and do it at 19 and 20 and small town, Ontario. You know, and just with pastors who were very generous. I mean, when I think back on these guys, bro, I am so grateful that they gave me a chance. Cause I just, I just think of being in that position now, like, wow, like they definitely either, either they heard from God or they just felt bad for me. They just couldn’t say no to this kid who really believed that God could use them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:43):
Well, thank God that he can use anybody. And you have grown a lot in the Lord since those days. And one of the things I really like about you is you are a strategic thinker. You like thinking about how churches can be effective at reaching people. You like helping churches, coaching churches. Talk to me some about how you help churches develop missional thinking.

Finu Iype (15:12):
Okay. So let me also share with you a little bit about the journey that got me there because initially I wasn’t thinking that way at all. So my model Daniel at passionate reach ministries was crusade evangelism, right? Which is obviously I’m not just familiar with it. You’re probably, you know one of the experts when it comes to crusade evangelism,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:32):
I did my doctorate of ministry on a mass evangelism. So I’m probably one of the two or three experts.

Finu Iype (15:39):
I did not do a doctorate on that, but I mean, I just figured it out on the, on the go. And so initially the first about seven years of my ministry, 20 minutes, but when I was 22, about 27 was, you know, international evangelism and crusades. And we did about 20 nations around the world in that period of time. And and that was my heart and I loved it. I loved doing that. And, and you know, as you know, in Africa or India and South America there’s so much opportunity for this people actually respond to any event that happens in town. Cause they just curious, they want to know what’s going on, you know? And so it’s a great way to reach a lot of people. At one time one of the things I struggled with in those days was in that season of crusade, evangelism was the up like one of the, so we, you know, just like, I’m sure you do.

Finu Iype (16:32):
And most ministries that do mass crusades do we had we had a whole workbook, like we had a whole template and a whole crusade manual and training for followup and, you know, decision cards and, you know, timelines for churches and all of that was built into the crusade. And so we did our best. And when it came to due diligence with, with making sure these people that came up front and made a commitment and signed the card were followed up. But what I found was even with all of that prep work, that we did the culture of the church, wasn’t always the right culture to accept and embrace new people. And what I, what I sort of related to is it’s like an organ donation, right? When you have an organ donor and you’ve, if, you know, if you have a kidney given or whatever it is you generally need to take, I forget the exact terminology for it right now, but it’s like anti rejection drugs or something like that because your body basically rejects the organ.

Finu Iype (17:33):
Cause it says, it’s not part of this body. And so you have to take these drugs forever. So your body doesn’t do that. And that’s what it felt like. It was like, yeah, they had all the systems there, all the tools. But because this guy was the drunk in town and he just didn’t have a home and he didn’t dress. Right. And he didn’t talk. Right. And there’s, you know, half asleep or not there or whatever, it was good. He was just so radically different from that group of Christians in that church, even though they had all the systems, they weren’t embracing this person. And so that’s where the seed of this thinking started. It was like, I was like, God, I love this part of the ministry. I love the crusade part of it. I love calling people to faith, but I also care so deeply about what happens to them, you know?

Finu Iype (18:13):
And, and sometimes this is the trap that, and this is an evangelism podcast. So I can talk about this. This is a trap that us evangelists fall into. Right. Friends who will say to me, Oh yeah, I got 20 Muslim save last week. I’m like, wow, that’s phenomenal 20 month. Like that’s, I’ve never heard of that. I’m like, well, I’d love to talk to them. I’d love to talk to like how the, Oh, I don’t know where they are. Like what, what do you mean? Like what, Oh, you know what? I just, I just asked them, do you want to pray? And I just let them listen to the spread, give them a new Testament and said, just go read this. And I just left it. I didn’t get an information. I didn’t do any. That’s interesting. I’m not, I’m not knocking it. I’m not give me that Bible say that prayer doesn’t matter.

Finu Iype (18:54):
I mean, that’s a great thing to do. That’s a great word. But it’s like, is that really what it means to, to lead something, somebody into a relationship with Jesus, for saving faith to be formed in their heart. I, I questioned that, you know, and so that’s, that’s sort of where it started for me was like, okay, how do we, it helped churches think missionally that I exist. We exist as an organization to constantly incorporate new people into faith in Jesus and into the body of Christ and help them figure that out. So part of the transition process was about seven years ago. Now God was really speaking to me about Canada. And so when I was 17 Daniel, before I moved to Canada, I was praying one night and I had a vision. And then the vision I saw explosions of fire from the East coast to the West coast of Canada.

Finu Iype (19:46):
And the Lord said to me at that point at 17, never been to Canada, didn’t actually know much about, you know, globally people know more about the us than they know about Canada. They assume Canada is similar, but they don’t really know a lot of details about Canada. So I didn’t know much about Canada. And but the Lord said to me, you’re going to be a part of something that’s going to reach the nation. Like you’re going to reach Canada. And so that was my heart. And I felt I had landed, I think from Al crusade in Africa, came to Toronto to Pearson. And I was like, I’m looking around media and I’m thinking the same people. I’m pretty sure there are here. I don’t know if you know this, if your listeners know this, but Toronto is one of the most multicultural, diverse cities in North America, maybe even in the world.

Finu Iype (20:26):
Okay. So we’ve got people from every country. You can imagine living here and working here and, and raising their families here. And I was like, I’d love to do something about it, but my challenge was no one seemed to want any evangelists to come in, to do a three-day evangelistic revival. You know what I mean? I mean, it sounded so old school, none of the churches that I was connected to in the were wanting the greater Toronto area, we’re wanting to do something like that. So I was like, God, I don’t even know where I fit. I feel rejected as a, as a, as a person, as a Christian with an evangelistic gift, I feel rejected, but the organized sort of church structures. And so I had a conversation with at the time was my was my pastor, my church. And I said, I really want to test this out.

Finu Iype (21:10):
I feel like an evangelist can also be an equipper. And that conversation led to working with that church for a couple of years. And we saw tremendous growth. I mean, within the first six months, I think we had like 50, 50 salvations and 30 baptisms, you know, which was like, that’s what record breaking. I mean, the church was about 200 5,300 people at the time probably. And so, so that led to work. This could actually work. And so we started doing so I was doing at the time I was doing, you know, two weeks out doing crusades in different parts of the world. And then two weeks in working with the church as an equipper, helping them figure out how to reach their community. So after about about two years of that, where we at about a hundred ish, 120, 130 people come to fade 70, 75 baptisms, we said, okay this could actually be something that many churches can take advantage of and learn from.

Finu Iype (22:05):
And so I pass was asking me all the time for new, what are you doing? How is this happening at a local church, no crusade, no guest speaker coming in, nothing fancy, nothing out of the ordinary, just working within the culture of the church to change the way people think they changed the way leadership thinks and change the structure of the church to be missional. And so that led to about five years of consulting and coaching with churches on how to do that. So coming back to your question and I give that context to say it, wasn’t like, I just sat down in my office one day, I’d give up with this grand idea of how do you get your, just to be missional. It was more like in my, from my perspective, and this is probably different in the U S and definitely, I’m sure you different where you are Daniel in the Southern part of the U S but in Canada, crusades don’t work.

Finu Iype (22:52):
Partly because churches don’t want it. And partly because people just don’t respond to another event in town, I guess it’s not the thing. So if, from my perspective, the best way for me as an evangelist to function in my context and the Toronto area was to be an equipper of churches and to help people figure out how to reach their community. So the biggest shift I’ll start here and you can sort of ask me specific questions if you’d like to. But the biggest shift is looking at your church as a mission sending organization. So just the same concept, the same thing you would do, like a mission society for instance, would do in finding Christians that have a heart for a nation, equipping them, training them, teaching them language, teaching them culture, teaching them all of that, and then sending them on the field and giving them support a church needs to think that way, like one of the things I would say to churches all the time is your community.

Finu Iype (23:47):
Like literally the people that live in your community are not the same people, not none of the unique people that lived here when this church started 30 years ago, it’s literally a whole new crop of people. So you keep saying, Oh, we’ve evangelize the community. We’ve reached people. We’ve dropped off tracks at every door. I’m like, those were different people. You dropped off tracks too. I mean, it’s the same property, but different people. And in our context, like I said, because of the immigration, these are not, these are not even the same kind of people. There are different kinds of people that, that have different kinds of desires and needs and pain points and, and hopes. And it’s like, how do you speak to them? And the average church pro had no clue. Then they hadn’t even studied the community. They were in to know what are the needs of this community. And that’s one of the biggest challenges I faced was most churches want to do missions in their community based on what they like to do. And my point was, it doesn’t matter what you like to do in reaching people who look like

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:51):
Them and talk like them and that are comfortable with them. And so it was really takes a whole different paradigm of thinking to think the world is a mission field and right outside my door is a mission field. I need to think in a way that I can reach people.

Finu Iype (25:10):
And part of the challenges, see we celebrate what we celebrate is what grows Daniel, right? So we celebrate, Oh, we got another new family that moved in from this part of town or whatever. They don’t grow near the community, the great leaders they’ve got a great job. He’s a manager at a car dealership, or he’s a, you know, she’s a manager of a local hospital or something. And we celebrate that, right? So we communicate constantly. We want well to do, you know, put together families, you know, mom and dad, three little beautiful kids. You know, they’re going to jump on the board. She’s going to be the head of the Sunday school department. Like, this is what we want. We don’t want the guy that doesn’t look like us. Doesn’t eat what we eat. Doesn’t dress decent. Doesn’t have a job. He’s actually right now, you know, in between jobs and actually needs help from the church.

Finu Iype (25:59):
Like we don’t celebrate that. We don’t say, wow, we’ve got a family. You know, they’re in desperate need church. We’re gonna rally around them. We’re going to love them. It’s not what we talk about from the pulpit. We don’t talk about, we don’t celebrate in our annual reports. Sally, who is one of our church members now has built relationships with five families that are non-Christians. And she goes out with all of their kids to the park once a week for a kids activity. No one talks you don’t, you don’t even hear Sally’s name mentioned, right? Because that’s not what we’d celebrate. We celebrate the dollars. We celebrate, you know, new services. We celebrate the influential people we attract. And part of the thinking is we need to change the way, look at the scorecard in the North American church, right? It’s not just about those externals. It’s about what are your people doing to build authentic relationships with people that are far from Jesus in your community, find those stories. And in fact, if possible, find the stories that have not yet resulted in those people becoming Christians. Because when we constantly highlight only the stories where people become Christians, we are, you know not, not obviously, we’re not saying this, but we are communicating that

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:26):
One that finished my man. Yeah. Only the finish line matters. You’re not celebrating the process.

Finu Iype (27:32):
When you asked me, what is missional thinking? How do you help to just figure this out? Is that you celebrate engagement? That’s what you celebrate. You celebrate people getting involved in people’s lives. People caring for their local school systems, people giving to their local charities. Don’t come up with your own. And this is the challenge we have, right? It’s like, it’s gotta be our charity. There’s an issue with the, with the, you know, the paint in our schools. Okay. Instead of just helping the local charity, that’s helping repaint all of our schools. We start the Christian assemblies of God or Christian, you know, community, church, painting service. And it’s like, because it’s like, if it’s not my thing, we don’t want to do it. It’s like no, send your people into local existing charities. So they can be part of the fabric of the community and start engaging in relationships with people that serve there and people that are served by them.

Finu Iype (28:23):
That’s the better strategy instead of taking on the administrative responsibility of creating all these new programs and new projects, which by the way, is why boards ended up saying to bleed pastors. Nope, we’re not doing another thing because it’s too much work. And I agree, but the point is find the people that are doing it. Daniel, I’ll give you this example. Like at one point we were doing this we were doing these events called cycle Fest. And it was basically like we would do this event where people in our community would run walk cycle to raise money for community causes. So let’s say a wing of our local hospital or whatever, but it wasn’t like just church people. It was just community people as well. Part of that, what we would do is we would help give away bikes to kids that couldn’t afford it.

Finu Iype (29:12):
And you know, I I’ll never forget this. I’ll never forget this moment. We connected with a bunch of charities and what these charities would do, Daniel, they would rent buses like big school buses. They would pack these buses with families in the community, send them over on their dime, you know, the, the organizations paying for it so that these kids would get training on. Cause they’ve never written a bike. So we would bring in bike instructors, train them, fit them to the right bike, get them a helmet and all that stuff. And, and I remember the church being full of people. Non-Christians lots of actually a lot of the Muslims sitting in our church, waiting for their kids to get fitted and trained on how to ride a bike. And I’m thinking I’ve done nothing. Literally that event at that point was completely zero cost for the church because all we did was we went out to people and said, Hey, we’re doing this for this community. Would you like to partner with us? And they brought the people to us. We didn’t even have to go looking for the people once they came to us, these people like, who are you over a church? Really? Wow. And the, we got to have amazing conversations, build relationships and, and brought, we literally saw people come to faith in Jesus because of those kinds of events.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:24):
So talk me through the process of how you would help a church say you have a church urban church, 200 people, you know, they’re, they’re doing normal church type things. How would you help that church to start thinking more strategically in how they’re reaching people?

Finu Iype (30:45):
Well, the first step is I would, you know, talk to the board and talk to the pastor, right? Here’s what I believe you can never duplicate or replicate what you don’t live. So one of my first questions when I go to a board meeting was when was the last time each of you shared your faith with someone that’s not a Christian and there’ll be a long pause. So I’d say we’re not going to start doing anything with the church, the organization, the people until we do something here. So to me, and I know that sounds like, Whoa, bro, Rick, seriously, how is that going to work? But I I’ve seen this time and time again, where I’ve deployed missional programs and structures and systems that would not take the, you know, going back to my analogy of the body rejecting it, it would not take, you know, why, because the leadership wasn’t ha wasn’t bought into it.

Finu Iype (31:36):
And the only way the leadership will be bought into it is when they actually begin to live it. So we would, we worked with a model that my friend, Kevin Harney in California, shoreline church came up with called. He wrote a book called organic outreach, and I really loved it. And part of his simple concept was hold the leadership of the church accountable to having gospel conversations once a month. And so that’s literally where we would start. If I was to work with the judge straight, that’s where it started. I’d say for the first three months or the first six months, I say to the pastor, I don’t even want you to people to know that we’re working on anything. I just want your board and your leaders of your departments to know that we’re working on it because we’re going to meet with them once or twice a month.

Finu Iype (32:19):
And again, going back to Kevin’s strategy. What I love about it is he doesn’t he doesn’t reward the finish line. He doesn’t reward in a system that you have to lead someone to faith in Jesus. That’s not the point. The point is, are you engaging? Did you go out with a friend at work and have a gospel conversation? Did you just share your faith? Did you share your testimony? Did you ask them questions to learn more about them? Like what steps are you taking to get to know unsaved people non-Christians in your community? Because here’s the thing. What I found is this. When, when leaders start to have friends and I want to use that word, very strong friends, not acquaintances, not, Oh, I know the guy down the street, no, no friends who are Muslims and Hindus and atheist that begins to change the way they look at the li their own leadership in their church, because it informs them to say, wow, that event is so exclusive, sounding like that sounds like my friend now, you know, I don’t know if he’s a Hindu, maybe his name is Krishna, or if he’s a Muslim, his name is Abdullah, or, you know, or maybe it’s Scott that grew up in a Presbyterian church and had a horrible experience.

Finu Iype (33:32):
It’s like, I don’t believe in God. I don’t believe any of this stuff is real. Whatever your friend’s name is, right? It’s like, what’s caught feel comfortable in this environment. And if not, and why are we doing this as a church, if it’s not going to help them. But here’s my point. If I did that without working with the leadership, first, what happens is the leader said, well, no, no, no. We’ve always done an event like this this way. And I’m like guys, but it won’t work. You won’t reach anyone doing it that way, obviously. Cause the results, you know, sort of prove it, but it’s hard to convince them until they have personal friendships and relationships with those people. So again, I know I’m giving you a lot of detail here, but I would say first step Daniel is. And I think if you’re an evangelistic person, that’s an equipment.

Finu Iype (34:13):
By the way, Daniel, one of my passions is, and I don’t even know how to do it. Maybe you can come up with a strategy for this cause you’re good with this kind of stuff. It’s like, I believe they are evangelist, evangelistically, gifted people, not full-time evangelists, professional evangelists, crusade, evangelists. I mean, I’m talking about just the gifting, the fivefold gifting of the evangelist. I believe that’s there in all of our churches. And it’s like, how do we recognize that gift and allow that person to be an equipper. So if you want it to be an equipper in your church and you’re listening to this podcast right now, my, my advice to you is forget about doing an outreach event. Forget about going out and creating a big splash in the community. Don’t even start there, start with the people on your leadership teams. Let’s get them talking and becoming friends with people that don’t know Jesus and then together. And this is the beauty of it is once they do that, Daniel, the events and the programs and the structure and the change comes from the inside out versus trying to create it from the outside in which is most of what most of us as evangelists trying to do is like we do this big event and we’re like, well, we hope the leadership follows up. We hope they change the way they do things. Well, unfortunately it just doesn’t seem to always work well that way

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:30):
Let’s talk about some of the changes, the recent changes in your ministry. You, you founded passion to reach and use that

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:38):
To help churches across Canada. And, and now you are moving over to a position with the village church there in the greater Toronto area. And you want to reach out to skeptics, reach out to a post-Christian post-modern world. What are some of the new initiatives that you’re planning as you’re, you’re looking to plant churches that can reach people in the greater Toronto area?

Finu Iype (36:08):
Well, Daniel firstly, let me start off saying this, this, this literally happened in the middle of the pandemic. So I just started this position in September and unlike America, we were joking before we went live on the show that you know, America is obviously the land of the free and the home of the brave. We don’t have a lot of freedom right now in Canada. So we’re, we’re pretty much locked down in our homes. We haven’t met as churches now for months. So yeah, so a lot of what we’re doing now is just online and, and, you know, gathering people and connecting people. But yeah, the sort of the bigger, I guess, point to your question is village church and part of what what we’re doing here. And the reason for the transition is as much as I enjoyed helping churches with being on mission and figuring this out, the, the truth Daniel is it’s very hard to make this happen.

Finu Iype (37:03):
It’s very hard to take a church that has operated a certain way for 30 years of 40 years. That by the way, I want to be very careful that their methodologies were very effective and their communication was super relevant when they started. And maybe for the first 10 or 15 years that they started. It’s just that the world around them has changed so much that they’re not able to now connect. So helping them transition was a very difficult thing doing it. And the Lord in a very sort of supernatural divine way connected me with village church and village started 10 years ago with about 16 people. And now they have about seven sites with somewhere between eight to 10,000 people that call the village home. And and they’ve done a really good job reaching skeptics. And I think they’re about 1500 to 1800 baptisms in the last 10 years, which you know, which is amazing in Canada.

Finu Iype (38:04):
And just for context for your listeners in the, in America, you know, that’s not a big number. It’s not a big church, but in Canada, it’s like any church in the greater Toronto area, over 1000 people would be considered a mega church here. So so significant growth. And so I’m really excited to be part of the team and what we’re really focusing on is what does it look like to speak to people that are skeptics that say, I don’t believe in God, I’m done with you know, all of that. So right now I’m basically looking for a lead pastors in our Toronto area church planters that we can equip and and launch as soon as this pandemic is behind us and and start new churches. And to specifically answer your question pastor Mark Clark, who’s the senior pastor of the church has written a couple of books.

Finu Iype (38:57):
The first one was called the problem of God. It was a book for skeptics, 10 things that, you know, skeptics would say we have an issue with when it comes to God. So science was an issue. Jesus is an issue. The Bible is it’s authenticity is an issue. I think one of the chapters is on sex and the biblical idea of sexuality. So all of these things that people would say, I don’t really believe in Jesus. I want to be a Christian because of these reasons he sort of addressed them. And he just came up with a new book called the problem of Jesus, which basically talks about who is Jesus and did Jesus actually exist? Which a lot of people in our culture like, Oh, that’s a fable. And it’s like, no, there’s actually a extra biblical proof of the historical person of Jesus that lived you know, at the timeline of the Bible tells us he lived.

Finu Iype (39:45):
So you know, that’s part of how we do it is, is we use philosophy and we use science and we use poetry and we, we use just, you know human connection to talk about why the Bible is practical, why the Bible is real, why the Bible speaks the truth, why the gospel applies to us today. And and yeah, I mean, it’s obviously been super effective in in British Columbia which is on the West coast. And we’re really excited to see just planted right through this province. And I’m in Ontario right now. Yeah, over the next over the next few years,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (40:26):
I think you are on exactly the right path. I’ve been very concerned about this area of ministry for a while now, especially asking the question, how do we reach America with the gospel? Like you said, the traditional crusade evangelism has limited effectiveness here in the United States. I mean, it still works great in Ethiopia. People will walk three days to come to a service, but here in America, no one will walk three minutes to go anywhere. And so how do you reach them? And so I just finished writing a book called proof. God is real, and it’s an apologetics book looking at different ways that we can know that that God is real. And I want to reach skeptics. I noticed that on Twitter and on YouTube, there is a very active atheist community that is actively talking to people about atheism. One of the most popular YouTube guys is a, is a Canadian who does videos every week talking about why there is no God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:36):
And I said, you know, the church needs to be in that arena. And so in our ministry, we’re starting to look at how we can produce material and reach out to, to skeptics and, and, and talk to them. And I’ve even reached out and befriended some atheists here in my area to start talking to them, just to, to, to be able to answer the questions that they’re asking. And so I think you’re right on the right path, reaching skeptics, reaching this post-Christian post-modern world, the techniques in the methods that churches have used 30 years ago, aren’t going to work today. So I think you’re doing the right thing.

Finu Iype (42:16):
And can I also say this Daniel, that I, I also believe that the Holy spirit, like I see every church that I follow that is trying to reach people with the gospel in our context is relying more and more on understanding Holy spirit and how Holy spirit works and, and asking the Holy spirit to give them, to guide them in the process. I think the times where churches said, Oh, if we just have a great marketing strategy, you know, if we just have a great facility, you know, if we just have a great kids program, that’s the way to evangelize. And I think we’re seeing that that experiment is basically failed because yeah, you may create fans of your organization and your leadership and your preaching style and your decor and your whatever, you know design sense and all of that. So, meaning people like to be in your space and they don’t mind coming on a Sunday for an hour and being there and grabbing a coffee in your cafe after it, on the way out.

Finu Iype (43:25):
But it doesn’t really do a good job of making disciples. And so part of what I just want to encourage everyone is listen to what the Holy spirit is saying. You know, sometimes it’s not just the North American, you know, presentation that is going to do it. And this is where, and I say this, because you just mentioned, you know, it crusades work in Ethiopia. But I think what also, we need to look at in our model of what is working in, you know, in the nations of the world and places like Africa is the power of God. Like when people experience the power of God, when people experience the presence of the Holy spirit, I mean, I love apologetics and we just talked about apologetics, but I don’t necessarily believe I can convince somebody into the faith. I don’t believe I can just reason with them. And they basically say, you know what? You want the debate, I’m going to be a Christian and I’m going to live my life for Jesus. I don’t really think that we’re really hard to

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (44:22):
Argue someone into the belief.

Finu Iype (44:25):
Yeah. I think it helps them to open their mind, to want to learn it does when you answer some of their sort top questions, it opens the heart to say, you know what? I should actually cause some of these things that I thought were true, obviously don’t seem as true anymore. So I need to learn more and it opens them up. So it has its place. But ultimately it is the gospel is the power of God to salvation and the presence of God that is released when you just communicate the simple truth of the gospel, you don’t need to be on a platform in Africa. You don’t need to be holding a microphone with a massive PA system. You could just literally be sitting with someone across the table at a coffee shop. Just literally sharing what the message of the gospel is. And the spirit of God is able to work in that moment and and transform transform the person’s heart. So I just say that I’d say a lot of prayer, a lot of fasting, a lot of prayer, a lot of reliance on the Holy spirit is what we need today to reach reach this culture that we live in.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (45:23):
Amen. For new, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. It’s a great honor to have such a smart person, such a strong strategic thinker on the program. I really appreciate you. And, and the insights that that God has given you. And I believe God has amazing things coming in the years to come for you,

Finu Iype (45:47):
Daniel, thank you so much. I’ve enjoyed, obviously getting to know you over the past few years and your ministry. You’re doing a fantastic job. Thank you for taking the initiative. You know, I guess, through the pandemic to create this podcast and encourage people. And yeah, if you’re listening right now, I just want to really encourage you connect with Daniel, his ministry get his books cause this guy knows what he’s talking about. And you know what I love about you, Daniel, as usual, you don’t just do it. You actually want to multiply your impact through your teaching, through your books, through the media stuff that you’re doing. So thank you for doing that. Thank you for being an encouragement and an inspiration for so many of us that want to see people come to faith in Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (46:29):
Thank you. Bless you. Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And what we found is that as we go to different nations of the world, it takes us an average of about $1 for every person we’re able to reach with the gospel. And so some countries are more expensive. Some countries are a little bit less expensive, but on average, we’ve invested about $1 for every person we’re able to lead to Jesus. So today I’m asking you to go to my website, King ministries.com and give $1, $2, $5, become a monthly partner, help us to lead people to Jesus. Imagine you can start a party in heaven with just $1. Also go to Apple iTunes, leave us a review for the evangelism podcast with Daniel King. So lots of people can find this evangelism podcast. God bless you for more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our evangelistic

Evangelism Podcast Host (47:30):
Outreaches. Visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.

 

Will Jones | Report on Sierra Leone Mission Trip

Will Jones leads Awakening Ministries International. He invited me to go with him to Sierra Leone. We did a pastor’s conference, evangelism training, and village ministry. We baptized 152 people. In today’s Evangelism Podcast you will hear the stories about what God did in West Africa.

Website: https://www.awakeningmintl.org

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Well, Jones leads, awakening, ministries, international. He invited me to go with him to Sierra Leone. We did a pastors conference, evangelism training and village ministry. We baptized 152 people who decided to become believers in today’s evangelism podcast. You’ll hear the stories and the miracles that God did in West Africa,

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:24):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be say, welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:01):
The evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I am with will Jones. Once again. Thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast.

Will Jones (01:10):
It’s always a privilege, my friend.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:12):
So we are here in the nation of Sierra Leone and you invited me to come along with you on one of your missions here. And we have had an absolutely tremendous week of ministry here. God has moved in, in great ways. What are some of the tremendous successes that you feel that we’ve seen this week?

Will Jones (01:34):
Yeah. You know, due to just the whole COVID thing, we had to restrategize this particular festival, because we weren’t able to do a large gathering, which is typical of our model, but we actually had enhanced some of the outreach methodologies to kind of accompany the festival anyway. And so we basically did mobile festivals with probably just over a hundred locals together that partner with us. And so we kind of had a blitz team of going to all these different areas and throughout, you know, what God did here. We saw that we hadn’t been able to reach just over 5,000 people. Personally, you know, we did a radio conversation, which went out to several hundreds of thousand over this whole district and beyond so 152 people that we were able to personally baptize during this time, five new churches were getting started with some church organizations that had put people in place this past week Sunday they met. And so, yeah, God has did great things goes to 40. I want to say recorded miracles and the Lord did and healings, and it was just a great trip. And obviously it’s always great to have the master evangelist. Yeah, no King with me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:54):
Well, we had a wonderful time. It’s always good to minister together with friends. You know, the Bible says that one will put a thousand to flight, but two will put 10,000. And so I always find that when I’m around other evangelists, we’re able to accomplish more for God. And really what we saw here is just like a week before we were supposed to come the government of Sierra Leone and nouns that no mass gatherings would be allowed because of COVID. And so we had to switch it up a little bit and rather than having everybody come to the festival, we basically went to them. And so we went out into a bunch of villages and towns and, you know, in each village there were where people, especially a lot of Muslims, I thought it was really cool. And every service I think that we did during our time here, we have had Muslims that have been there even at the pastor’s conference.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:51):
We didn’t know that there were Muslims there, but there was an easy mom who was the leader of a local mosque who came to the pastor’s conference and sat there through two days, just listening. And I remember in one village, there were two moms, Muslim leaders that came and they were sitting right in the front row, on the bench. They had the little Muslim caps on and they listened to the entire gospel presentation. And I said, how many of you want Jesus to forgive your sins? And both of them raised their hands. And then I let everyone in a prayer. And I kind of peeked out of the corner when I looked over at them. And both those guys were saying the prayer with us and for a country here that is a very high percentage Muslim. I read on one website it’s like 78% Muslim in Sierra Leone. That is a tremendous victory to be able to share Jesus with, with so many Muslims. What are some of the, the stories or highlights that really will stand out to you from the strip that you’ll take back with you?

Will Jones (04:59):
Yeah, I would say one of our camera guys that joined the media team is from Sierra Leone. His name was darkish and he’s Muslim really traditional and his practices. But for the most part, his family’s Muslim, he’s eight or non-family members. And on the second to last day of our our week of festivities he communicated to one of our team leaders that he wanted to convert. And we were all like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, what do you mean? Explain that. And on the baptism day on the different villages and people were coming, he said, I want to be baptized today. He says, I believe, believe in Jesus, I’m converting. So we had, one of our interpreters was very astute in the Koran is African, but he speaks Arabic. He knows Koran. He was a former Muslim. We had him walk him through the gospel to make sure he understood it and that he was wanting to come to Christ and he did. And we baptized him that day. He’s a, he’s a big strong man, but he came to Jesus Christ and you can see the genuine conversion of the Holy spirit making him a new person. And now he’s ready to go back to share the gospel with all eight or nine of his family members in hopes that they would receive Christ as well. Wonderful stories like that happened on this trip. And he was just one of the mini

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:33):
He’s, one of 152 people that we have the privilege to baptize. And then of course, in all the services, if you add it up together with about 1,740, that made an indication that they had decided to follow Jesus, which is a huge victory, especially for the size city that we were in. It wasn’t a very big city. How many people did they say were in there? Yeah,

Will Jones (06:59):
It was just about 25,000 of in that particular city Penn, Denver, Sierra Leone.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:05):
So we had over just over 5,000 people that we minister to face-to-face, which is about 20% of the population there. So if you can minister 20% of any population center, I, I consider that a huge win as an evangelist. So we also saw some great miracles. We were in one village on Friday night and there was a, a mother who brought her son. He looked like he was about seven years old and he was deaf in one ear. And I preached on healing. Actually, you preached on Zack Kias that night, and then you invited me up after you’re done giving the alter call and you invited me to, to pray for the sick. And so I was praying for the sick and I told the people, I said, you know, take your hand and place it on the part of your body where there’s pain.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:55):
And so this mama, she put her hand on the ear that was death on her little boy. And she said, he’d been deaf for two years. And as we were praying, she said that a black rock or a growth, something fell out of his ear into her hand. And she looked at it and it was all gross and she threw it on the ground. And then she tested her boys here and, and he was able to hear. And so she came up and testified. We tested the boys healing I clapped and he was able to clap and the boy was a little scared, but the moms, she was super excited that her, her boy had been healed. And so that was tremendous. One of the great things that happened here was the opportunity to train eight evangelists and put sound systems in their hands that they’re going to be able to use to go out and to preach the gospel. And so this is part of a new initiative that your ministry is launching out, into train national evangelists. Tell me a little bit about what you see God doing with that program.

Will Jones (09:06):
Yeah. You know, it’s something that we pondered really for the last year and there’s to some prayer and seeking counsel from other orgs that, you know, are doing things maybe in a fashion that we would want it to maybe adopt, or God was putting on our heart. We kind of built this structure for raising up national evangelist and really deploying them to the unreached people group areas. And so there’s a variety of nuances that we’ll go through in that, you know, from the aspect of discovering them in the country, working with church partnerships and organizations, to developing them through, you know, training throughout the year, through deploying them and assignments through what we would call preaching points and unreached areas. And this really came out of an aspect of multiplication. And I don’t, I think evangelists often thinking of aspect of addition, do a festival, do a large event, see hundreds or thousands of people come to Christ.

Will Jones (10:16):
That’s really addition, but when you can help one person know how to reach another person that knows how to reach another person that becomes multiplication. And so the evangelists are going to be practicing outreaches each month, several times a month with the sound equipment we’ve given them, there’ll be a, a leadership in place that is already there that will help encourage them. We’ll help track the results that they are getting insane healings, baptisms people entering into discipleship groups that will eventually lead to church planting. You know, the gospel is not just about conversion. It’s about discipleship, which leads to conversion. And so we want to make sure that we’re seeing people come to Christ preaching the gospel making disciples, but we’re also working with indigenous leaders to see believers become disciples through obedience, to God’s word, and reaching other people that are in their people group or outside of it.

Will Jones (11:13):
And so this will be an exponential aspect that we add to our ministry. And, you know, as we were brainstorming, you were throwing out some thoughts too. And we just kind of really formulated the term Phillip project, you know, which models Philip in acts eight and how he went from town to town, preaching the gospel, even Jesus, every town, every city, every village, he tried to go to preach the gospel. And so these evangelists, you know, we started with eight to go by the end of the year is to have 25 that we’ve identified and discovered were developed, and that there’ll be deployed with the resources. They need to preach a number of times a month in those areas that we’ll eventually see new churches started.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:58):
And so the ultimate goal is to start churches, especially in the rural areas of Sierra Leone that the Eastern area over towards the border with Liberia has a lot of need for new churches. And even this week, there’s potential that five churches will be planted out of what was accomplished this week. Talk to me a little bit about long-term strategy for Sierra Leone and what you’re hoping to accomplish here in this nation.

Will Jones (12:29):
Yeah. You know, we’ve, we’ve partnered with one of the national church organizations. That’s very strong here. They have good credibility and they’re doing great work and we’ve just come alongside of them. And some others that have wanted to join, you know, the, the, the Jesus film and some of the orgs that we’re just going to use the best strategy and method that the Holy spirit gives us to really reach these Sierra Leoneans with the gospel. As you were saying, it’s, you know, literally over about 70% Muslim and the harvest is plentiful here. It’s open. And so we thank God for that. And so w w what we’re doing is really trying to be a catalyst for church planting. You know, AMI is not a church planning organization, but we partner with church planting orcs to really serve as a catalyst for them.

Will Jones (13:19):
And I would encourage every evangelistic ministry to begin to process that because we don’t want to just have a gain conversions. We want disciples, we want the spread of the gospel. And so many of our organizations may not carry that component, but we can surely partner with people on the ground that will, that I’ve seen fruit in are seeing fruit. So that’s what we’ve decided to do is let’s partner with some key orgs that are going raising up leaders, multiplying the gospel through church planting efforts. And we’re doing our role as an evangelistic org to help catalyze that and accelerate that growth for them so that the nation of Sierra Leone may be reached. So it’s about a two to three-year project. You know, w w our, our vision at AMI is to see the nations awakened, arisen, and active for Jesus. And so we believe that awakening happens through the preaching of the word.

Will Jones (14:12):
You know, the Bible speaks of, he says, awake or asleep, you know, arise. And we want people’s light to shine in them through Christ the light of the gospel. So we want to awaken them to the presence of God’s word. We want them to arise to be all that God has called them to be through training and equipping them in partnership with our national leaders. And we want them to live actively of making disciples, which would involve preaching the gospel and teaching people how to follow Jesus. So that’s what we’re doing. And we’re believing the Lord that we’ll see this country in addition to other people that are partnering in other organizations, awaken, arisen and active for Jesus. Amen. Well, thank you so much for inviting me to come to Sierra Leone with you. It’s wonderful to see what God is doing here, and thanks for being a guest on the evangelism podcast. Thank you Daniel, for coming. You’ve been a joy in my life and you and your wife, Jessica and King ministries have been just a great influence in us as an org still consider really a young org kind of in our midway to 10 year Mark. And you’ve been a very influential voice and advisor and how we can continue to preach the gospel. And so, thanks for having me on and thanks for being a friend, God bless you. Thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:32):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And what we found is that as we go to different nations of the world, it takes us an average of about $1 for every person we’re able to reach with the gospel. And so some countries are more expensive. Some countries are a little bit less expensive, but on average, we’ve invested about $1 for every person we’re able to lead to Jesus. So today I’m asking you to go to my website, King ministries.com and give $1, $2, $5, become a monthly partner, help us to lead people to Jesus. Imagine you can start a party in heaven with just $1. Also go to Apple iTunes, leave us a review for the evangelism podcast with Daniel King. So lots of people can find this evangelism podcast. God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (16:25):
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Mark Sesay | Missions Director for the Assemblies of God in Sierra Leone

Mark Sesay is the missions director for the Assemblies of God in Sierra Leone. Today he talks about the unique challenges and opportunities for reaching people for Jesus in this nation in West Africa. On the Evangelism Podcast today you will learn about how to plant churches in Africa, how to work in a Muslim majority nation, and how to deal with unorthodox tribal practices.

Questions for Mark Sesay

What strategies are you using to reach people in the rural areas of Sierra Leone?

How are you planting Assembly of God churches?

What is Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) and why is it a problem in Sierra Leone?

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Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Mark Sesay is the missions director for the assemblies of God. In Sierra Leone today, he talks about the unique challenges and opportunities for reaching people for Jesus in this nation, in West Africa,

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:11):
On the evangelism podcast today, you’ll learn about how to plant churches in Africa, how to work in a Muslim majority nation, and how to deal with on Orthodox tribal practices. Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:08):
With me. Reverend Mark Sesay is the mission’s director for the assemblies of God in Sierra Leone, brother, Mark. Thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you.

Reverend Mark Sesay (01:20):
You so much. It’s a blessing to have you here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:25):
We have had a wonderful time here in Sierra Leone. This is my first time here, and I’ve been so impressed with the people and the wonderful ministry that you have helped to organize. Tell me a little bit about what God is doing in this nation.

Reverend Mark Sesay (01:42):
Yeah, the Lord is doing so much in this nation and we stand very grateful to the Lord. Thank you for coming. This nation is predominantly a Muslim dominated nation. Although the difference is between the, the, the urban areas and the rural areas. Averagedly it’s about 70% Muslims and then 20%, 20% twenty-five percent Christians. So that, that is the situation here. And so the believers minister, mostly to Muslims and the challenge in the rural is higher than the urban. There are more, the percentage of Christians in the urban is a little higher than that in the, in the rural. So we do have a challenge in the rural. So we are happy to have you come far East hundreds of miles away from the capita. We, we are very excited. We have your records.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:43):
So as the mission director of the assemblies of God, you are working to reach out into the rural areas. What are some of the strategies that you are using to reach people in the rural areas of Sierra Leone?

Reverend Mark Sesay (03:02):
Yes. As a missions director, what we have done is that we are raising teams in the rural areas. We have done mapping. We have identified stronger towns, churches that we can train believers to reach out to others. So the main strategy that we’ve adopted over the years is one church plant another church. It has been a challenge over the years to have one team in a region going planting one church after the other, we tried, it was a serious challenge. Maybe we can discuss that kind of challenge, but our current strategy, we train churches. We encourage pastors to grow churches and then plant another church. So it is one church planting another church. What we have also done, we encourage urban pastors to adopt younger churches in the rural, and then courage them, support them to plant another church. Yes, like Freetown planting churches within Fulton is, is fruits and it’s becoming congested. And so we’ve encouraged them to move up country rural and support church planting in the rural areas. So our main strategy for now is one church plant another church.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:38):
I think you have a really wonderful strategy. Jesus, of course went to every town and every village. And so the hope is that there would be a church in every town and every village in Sierra Leone. Is that the hope?

Reverend Mark Sesay (04:55):
That is the hope. And we are beginning to realize this hope. We are beginning to realize this hope. Some of the challenges we are facing, we are seeing God opening a door. So amidst does challenging, and we give God a praise. I may have to share some of those blessings. Yes, please.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:15):
Please share with me some of the challenges, the difficulties of planting new churches, and also some of the blessings that you’ve seen God pour out on that process.

Reverend Mark Sesay (05:26):
Exactly. I was written for this. One of the strongest challenge is the mindsets of pastors. They like being in a local church for years and they do not like going out of their comfort zone to plant another church. They think they should all stay. We have three pastors, for example, in some areas for pastors in one small, nobody wants to go out. We are seeing each changing the conferences we have just completed your teachings and the rest of the team you came with. It is beginning to change the minds, the mindset of the pastors that has been my board and for a while now. So for you to come to Syria alone and you are teaching us emphasizing, we must go. We must go. And evangelists should go. We must go out to the other sheep and bring them in. I’m so excited. Yes.

Reverend Mark Sesay (06:38):
I’m very, very excited because it is one of the biggest problem. We know how our resources are very little, but if the mindset is wrong, even if we have resources, we cannot do the work. But if the mindset is correct, we are open to go out. If we have the resources we can go. So that is the challenge. And you have helped us. The teachings are wonderful that people are now excited. They are willing to go. And now the blessings, for example, you came it’s evangelists. You guys helped us trained have now received a PA system. This is a rechargeable PA system that can stay 10 hours before people go out. Those few willing ones, go out. Speaking with our voices. It was strenuous. Now we have a PA system that can last 10 hours after church to preach the gospel. And so it is a very, very huge motivation to go out to those communities. It can be schools, it can be a marketplace. It can be the general public, the Squire where somewhere, and we are bored enough to actually teach the people and push the people, especially with the encouragement of the sound system. We are very grateful for the sound system.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:58):
Well, you are welcome. I’m here under the invitation of evangelist will Jones from awakening ministries, international and evangelist will in conjunction with the assemblies of God, put together this plan to identify eight people who have the gift of evangelism and then to give each of the eight a sound system that they will use to go out into preach the gospel. And these people are already doing evangelism so that the sound system will just help them to be more effective at it and to be able to, to reach people. And then the idea is that after they do outreaches, they report back and tell us what they have been doing. How many people have been getting saved? How many people got healed, who was baptized and hopefully in these communities where they go, then a church can be planted. So tell me, how did you identify these eight? And what’s the plan to identify more people who have the gift of an evangelist in the future.

Reverend Mark Sesay (09:13):
That is wonderful. Before the equipments were available. Before you brought the equipments, this people, we are already willing. We knew them. We saw the excitement of preaching the gospel, but we also saw the need for a PA system. We could improvise PA systems for them, but they are doing the work without a PA system. We were able to provide megaphones. Do you use the word megaphones loud, speaker loud healers. Yes, it can go, but not too much. Whatever. You’re happy using a megaphone putting on the mouth. Hello, Jesus loves you early in the morning. And so they were doing it without a system. So we identified the need to their passion to do the work before does gift skin, since they were already doing the walk and they were happy doing it. And so it was very easy for us to know that those people are real evangelists there.

Reverend Mark Sesay (10:15):
They have the passion for souls. They have the zeal, they were never ashamed to hold a megaphone in the streets, in the schools, in the market Squire. And so we, we are, it was easy to identify them now. I am planning a major tour in the country for 20 days with my team. We are going to three, three, three, nine communities in 20 days, we are doing training. Sorry to tell you not sorry. We’ll be using some of the materials and your information. Yeah. So it will be stepping down the straining to this communities. We want to invite them because my target is how to change their minds, to let them know that they should move out of the church, to the communities. So within those 20 days of a toy in my country training, we will be looking for, or we’ll be identifying possible evangelists maybe for the next coming together and for the next training, you know, so we’ll be doing training since it is communities. And our eyes will be very open to, to identify evangelist. We may do surveys. We may ask questions about people who are already doing it. Maybe they need the support to do that. Also during the training, we’ll be listening to the kind of questions, their responses. I think the Lord will help us to, to, to know yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:46):
To find those who have the gift of an evangelist who have the calling of event and evangelists and are willing to pay the, to go and to tell people about Jesus. Let’s talk a little bit about this region of Sierra Leone that we’re in. We’re on the East side, very close to Liberia. What is some of the need in this area and what are some of the people groups that are here and, and what is the hope over the next couple of years to accomplish for Christ in this region of Sierra Leone,

Reverend Mark Sesay (12:25):
There is a need on the side of the country. Areas not too different from other far rural areas, but maybe here is the strongest. There is the issue of what we call secret society. It’s like a secret call, the initiate chilled again into the FGM, the female genital mutilation. It is not just the cut-in, but the ceremonies involving the cut-in can be very demonic and is witchcraft. That is for female children and youths. It’s sad. It is very strong. They put their whole life into it. Yeah. For males, you have the, the Poro it’s, it’s a male secret society. The initiates with, with also a cotton, they shed blood. It’s all blood covenant. They put their whole life into it. Yes. It’s it’s witchcraft. It’s demonic ERISA challenge. So what do we do? We, we do a lot of prayer breaking the strong hall over this demonic witchcraft practices.

Reverend Mark Sesay (13:40):
Yes. So even some who accept Christ and come to the church, we struggle with them. They struggle coming out of it. Completely. Some come to church, badass allegiance, they are still committed to the FGM. We call it here, Bondo B O N D O. They are still committed to reach. So Def fitfulness to Christ into the church seems waving. It is a challenge. And so what we do, we, we encouraged them. We teach them, we teach them, you cannot be loyal to, to Christ. And at the same time, you are loyal to demonic worship. In witchcraft. You, you have to take a decision to be loyal to Christ alone and, and forego whatsoever. It was, that was a pleasure to you. And also what we have done. We have also, we also have the, the, the baldness to point out the dangers of the secret calls and does bundle the, the repercussion medically spiritually in the lives of the young girls. You know, some do listen. Some, it will take some time. Yeah. It will take some time. It is a challenge, you know?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:04):
And what do you hope to accomplish here is the plan to plant churches in this region.

Reverend Mark Sesay (15:11):
Yes. We hope to accomplish greatly. Yes. On this side of the country, the East, they are more open to the gospel than for example, the North, the North Islam is stronger in the North and the East. Yes. So for this East, it is, we are hoping to plant churches. We are hoping to see every town with a local church, at least one local church. Every time I think we can accomplish this, we can accomplish this.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:46):
Amen. We have many people who are excited about missions and who pray for missionaries. Pray for evangelists who listened to this podcast. If someone wants to begin to pray for the church in Sierra Leone, what are a few things that they should be praying for in order to strengthen the church here in Sierra Leone

Reverend Mark Sesay (16:11):
For Sierra Leone and the church first help us pray against the strong holes. One is Islam. Second is the secret societies, the FGM, the witchcraft. It can be strong. So pray that those strong whores, they can be some serious hindrance to the gospel. Help us pray, please, that under strong horse will be broken strong goal of religious strong goal, and this demonic. And we have strong horde for the church, pray that the Lord will help us teach and let the spirit of God bring transformation on the minds of pastors and church members and leaders to know the most go out the most, send missionaries out rather than being comfortable in the local church. And number three, help us pray that God will raise willing workers. I’ve had the benefits and the blessings of having willing workers around me. They are willing to go with me anywhere in this country.

Reverend Mark Sesay (17:23):
And anytime I have the joy of seeing them around doing one thing or the other, some people may have a hat like me to go, but may not have walkers to be with him on the field. So please, please pray with us that God will raise labor as will in ones like those around me. They come not for money. They are just willing for work. So there are not many, they are few in this country, pray that God will raise fateful, liberos harvesters for the field, and also pray for gospel vision. For us. It’s a very poor country. Somewhat needs. Sometimes we go to a place. This, we see the poverty and the needs are so real in the lives of the people we wish the Lord has blessed us to bless them. It makes it easier for them to receive us and receive the word. So pray, pray number four, for, for his provision. Some need rice, some need clothes does some basic needs. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:29):
Amen. Well, I will be praying for Sierra Leone and I know that many others will also make a commitment to pray for Sierra Leone. Reverend Mark. Thank you so much for joining me today on the evangelism podcast. It’s wonderful to get to know you. You are a great man of God. You are so smart and so brilliant at how you’re putting together these strategies for Sierra Leone. And I pray that God would put many resources into your hands to be able to reach this entire nation for Jesus. So brother Mark, thank you for being with me today. Thank you.

Reverend Mark Sesay (19:05):
Thank you very much. It’s a pleasure. The pleasure is mine. Thank you for coming to my country.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:10):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And what we found is that as we go to different nations of the world, it takes us an average of about $1 for every person we’re able to reach with the gospel. And so some countries are more expensive. Some countries are a little bit less expensive, but on average, we’ve invested about $1 for every person we’re able to lead to Jesus. So today I’m asking you to go to my website, King ministries.com and give $1, $2, $5, become a monthly partner, help us to lead people to Jesus. Imagine you can start a party in heaven with just $1. Also go to Apple iTunes, leave us a review for the evangelism podcast with Daniel King. So lots of people can find this evangelism podcast. God bless

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:04):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit King ministries.com. Again, that’s King ministries.com.

 

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