Description: The best sermons for the evangelist to preach come straight from the stories about the life of Jesus. Today, Daniel King and Kevin Wagner talk about their favorite healing stories from the Gospels. Discover why these healing stories can become such powerful messages.
These are the healed stories we discuss:
The Paralyzed Man in Mark 2
The Healing of the Leper in Matthew 8
The Woman with the Issue of Blood in Mark 5
The Healing of Peter’s Mother-in-Law in Matthew 8:14-15
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Welcome I’m with my good friend, dr. Kevin Wagner, once again, talking about evangelism and I want to say welcome. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Kevin Wagner (00:12):
It’s great to be here, dr. Daniel. It’s always good to talk about the things of God, especially with a good friend like you
Daniel King (00:18):
Now on today’s broadcast, we’re going to talk about the healing miracles of Jesus and how evangelists can use those healing stories as sermon outlines. And so often when we go preach overseas, we are wanting to point people to Jesus. And one of the best ways to do that is to tell the stories of what Jesus did in the gospels. And so I figured today we’ll pick four of our favorite messages from the healing stories of Jesus and just talk about them and look at some of the points that we like to make when we preach about. So I’ll let you go first. What is one of your favorite stories of Jesus to tell when you’re preaching in a crusade, dr. Wagner, such a hard
Kevin Wagner (01:08):
It’s like asking, which is your favorite child, you know, well, maybe not quite that hard, but I mean the, the correct answer for me is which is a fairly healing story, all of them, but I know for the purpose of this podcast, we’ll narrow it down to one or two. One of the serve, the stories that I have preached about a lot at our crusades is a story of Jesus healing, the paralyzed man in Mark chapter two, a good one while it’s a great one. It’s an exciting one where the man is lowered down on ropes by his four friends laying on a mat. They dug through the roof because the people were crowding around Jesus and Capernum, and suddenly at the feet of Jesus, this man is placed. And then Jesus asks a question there. He says so the religious leaders, he’s asking the question really to everyone, but as, especially a perk their attention, he says, which is easier to say to this man, your sins are forgiven or to say, get up, take your mat and walk.
Kevin Wagner (02:09):
This is Matthew Mark two, pardon me? Verse nine. And then he says, but that you may know that the son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins. He said to the paralytic, I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home. And the point that I’m making there is, or that I believe one of the points that Jesus is making there is that for Jesus, it was as easy for him to forgive the man’s sins as it was to heal his parallel paralysis. And because it was that easy for Jesus, really, it should be as easy for us to why, because Jesus Christ deputized us as his authority is on earth to do both of those things, to bring both forgiveness and healing to people. And so when we look at this story, it’s a great example of the model that we use for our crusades globally, dr. Daniel where we say, if we have a slogan, here’s what we say. We say, Jesus saves Jesus heals, four words that describe in large part, the ministry of what Jesus did.
Daniel King (03:16):
Jesus saves Jesus heals. And both of those can be found in this passage.
Kevin Wagner (03:20):
Both of them can be found in this passage. It’s absolutely clear. You have other passages in scripture that talk about this relationship between forgiveness and healing.
Daniel King (03:29):
All my favorites is Psalms one Oh three verses three, which says, he’s the God who forgives all of our sins and who heals all of our diseases. And so many times in scripture, you see where healing and forgiveness are linked together. They’re like two sides of the same coin.
Kevin Wagner (03:45):
You’ve got Isaiah 53 F first Peter two, you’ve got James chapter five. You’ve got all these scriptures that talk about salvation and healing. Be something, something that Jesus, his blood was sufficient to deal with on his way to Calvary. And then on Calvary, when he was whipped before he went to the cross, those stripes in his back are what heals our diseases and keeps her bodies strong. And then when he was pierced with the five wounds on the cross, the blood that shed from those wounds, of course, the most precious substance in the universe, the only thing that can forgive our sin.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:23):
And so you would preach on this paralyzed man who has his sins forgiven by Jesus, and then he’s healed. He stands up and walks, and then you would give an altar call to invite people, to ask Jesus for forgiveness of sins. And then you would also pray for the sick.
Kevin Wagner (04:44):
Yeah. First salvation is always preeminent. Of course, that’s the prime focus of all of our crusades, because, well, why, because it’s, it’s it’s, it’s what it counts for eternity. You know, you need, you can, you could die with a healthy body, but if you’re not saved redeemed by Jesus blood, then you know, you don’t go to heaven. You go to hell. So you need to make sure that that
Daniel King (05:05):
The priority to the greatest miracle is salvation.
Kevin Wagner (05:08):
It is obviously it is. And because that’s what counts for eternity, that’s the biggest emphasis. But having said that, Jesus also healed many people. Why? Because of his compassion, because he wanted them to be strong and healthy and earth to carry out the great commission, but also as assigned to the, the onlookers that he, something God like was going on here, God was doing something here. This got their attention. You know, we read about in acts chapter eight when Philip the evangelist is preaching as Samaria. It says when the people saw and observed the signs and miracles that he did, they paid what? Close attention to what he said. And so the signs and the miracles and the wonders and the healings, those are things that often get attention, the attention of people to have them listen carefully to your message of salvation. I, the other thing too, in this passage, that’s so interesting to me is that the religious leaders, they said, they asked this question.
Kevin Wagner (06:02):
They said, they’re mad at Jesus for set, talking about forgiving. This man says, because what did they say? They said, who can forgive sins, but God alone. And we look at that. We say, Oh, that’s a Ferris. He’s in the scribes. In the Sadducees talking, they must’ve been, you know, that was a bunch of malarkey. Actually. It wasn’t, you know what they were absolutely right. Only God can forgive sins. But the message of this story is that Jesus could say that his sins were forgiven. Why? Because he was not just a man. He was also all mighty God. And that’s a powerful thing. His ability to heal the sick and forgive sins was an exact, it was a repudiation of their idea that Jesus was not divine. So they were right. Only God can forgive sins, but Jesus can because he’s,
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:55):
Yeah, they were also wrong because they failed to recognize that Jesus is the God that, that they were looking for. And today some religious leaders say the same thing in, in some religions of the world, they say, Jesus was a man. He was a prophet. He was a teacher, but they say he wasn’t God. And so this is a way to, to show that he’s God and say today, some religious leaders say the same thing. They say that Jesus is not God, but Jesus proved that he’s God by forgiving this man since. And what a, what a great story. Now I’ve actually preached on the paralyzed man, hundreds of times in my ministry. But did you know, I’ve never preached it from Mark chapter two. Wow. I always preach it from Matthew chapter nine. And let me tell you why. When, when I was going to ORU, I did an exercise in Greek class where we had to compare the stories in the different synoptic gospels.
Daniel King (07:58):
So we looked at in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and this story is found in all three and each gospel has something unique about it. So Mark is the only one that has a Mark and Luke are the, both have the man coming down through the roof. Now, now Luke, the uniqueness in, in Luke is that he says that the power of the Lord was present to heal. And so he specifically emphasizes the power of God. That that is a unique Luke and theme. But Matthew includes one detail that I really love. And I preach from Matthew chapter nine. And this is what Jesus says in Matthew nine, verse two, he says to the man take heart son or be encouraged. So Mark and Luke don’t have that phrase take heart. Wow. And only, only Matthew. He was, he was probably sitting there as he had been a tax collector.
Daniel King (08:58):
So he was probably taking notes. So he he’s the one who said, Oh, Jesus said, take heart. Now, the reason I preach from that, because I talk about how Jesus encouraged the man first. Yeah. Then he forgave his sins and then he healed the man’s body. And so Jesus wants to heal you emotionally. Jesus wants to heal you spiritually. And Jesus wants to heal you physically. And so Jesus brings complete healing, spirit, mind, and body to this man. And Matthew is the only one who records that specific detail. So that’s why I always preach it out. Matthew is such a beautiful way of putting it. Yeah. So, all right. Second story that I love to preach on. Now that we’re over in Matthew, I like Matthew chapter eight, verse two, it says a man with leprosy came and knelt before Jesus and said, Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean.
Daniel King (09:52):
Jesus reached out his hand, touch the man I am willing. He said, be clean. And then immediately he was cured of his leprosy. And so leprosy was a very horrible disease that caused your, your fingers to fall off your face, to become disfigured. And it was highly contagious. And so when this man caught leprosy, he became the lonely leper. No one wanted to touch him. Even his own mother didn’t want to touch him. He was kicked out of his village, kicked out of his family. And so he’s a lonely leper, no one touching him, but he comes to Jesus. He hears about how Jesus can heal the sick. And so he comes down and kneels down in front of Jesus. And he has this question, Lord, are you willing to heal me and Jesus? He says, yes, I am willing. And many people today are asking the same question.
Daniel King (10:41):
Even Christian religious leaders in different countries are asking is God willing to heal today? And I think the answer that Jesus gave to this leper reverberates across the centuries and answers the same question today. If we say God, are you willing to heal me? He says, yes, I am willing. So Jesus is willing to heal. He was willing to heal this leper and he’s willing to heal people today who are sick. And what’s really interesting is Jesus reached out his hand and touch the man. Can you imagine he was lonely? No one wanted to touch him because of this contagious disease. And Jesus reaches out his hand and touches the man. And right now Jesus is reaching out to touch you. If you’re sick, if you need healing, Jesus reaches out his hand to touch you right now. Just reach up your hand to heaven and touch him. Your arm might be short, but his arm is long. He’s reaching out, touch Jesus now and receive your miracle. So I liked the leper. I love that. I called them
Speaker 3 (11:46):
His eternal. I will. Jesus is eternal. I will
Daniel King (11:52):
The Bible says that Jesus Christ the same yesterday,
Kevin Wagner (11:54):
Today and forever. He never changes. And so what Jesus willed then he wills today.
Daniel King (11:59):
Yeah. Hebrews 13, eight. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. Sometimes we’ll even put that verse on a banner behind the platform that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. The same way he healed 2000 years ago when he walked this earth, he is still healing today. Alright. So what is your second favorite healing scripture?
Kevin Wagner (12:26):
Well, one of one of the other healing scriptures that I use a lot when I’m preaching is a story in Mark chapter five of the woman with the issue of blood. It said that she had been here, been subject to bleeding for 12 years. And you know what, dr. Daniel, the reason why I preach a lot of my miracles from Mark is because years ago I memorized the entire gospel of Mark word for word, it’s got over 700 verses I believe, or something around 700. And so I was just, I mean, I, I quote through it at least once a week. And so I quote through these stories myself, even though I memorize it years later, I still do it. And so these words are kind of like, I just rattled them off. And so in this story of the woman who was had the flow of blood, the first thing I think that’s really interesting in this is that the story is goes like this, that Jesus is in a crowd with a ton of people, like just everyone’s pressing around him.
Kevin Wagner (13:23):
And so that he can hardly even move forward. And in the midst of this crowd, here’s his woman who had been sick for a long time and she actually gets near him. And so you might wonder, well, how could a woman like that get so close to Jesus in a crowd like that? Well, it’s because this woman would have been considered unclean because of her flow of blood. And so guess what, when people in the town saw her coming, she was like a modern day pariah. She would have been someone that they backed away from. We don’t want to have anyone to do with anything to do with her. And so, because she was unclean, if they came in contact, whether they would be unclean too. And so they wanted to avoid her. So the, the it was kind of like probably the party of the red sea whenever she made her way up to Jesus. She could get close to him precisely
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:14):
Interesting, because I’ve always preached it and, and even acted it out where she’s like crawling on her hands and knees through people’s legs, like trying to reach Jesus, just trying to remain on notice. But, but you kind of imagine everyone is like, Oh, the unclean ladies coming and they kind of part part the way to let her through
Kevin Wagner (14:37):
It. It seems like, I think that would probably be how it had worked, because, you know, in those days, if someone was in contact with things that were unclean and they considered her unclean because of her flow of blood if that was the case, then people didn’t want it. Observant Jews in those days would not have wanted to get in contact with her because she would have been as untouchable as the leper that you just talked about and people, they, they sequestered and quarantined these lepers in different parts of the the, you know, the cities and towns, not just because they didn’t want to be contagious, but also because people didn’t want to have contact with them because when you’re in contact with something that’s unclean, like for example, a dead body in those days, then that made that person unclean and they had different restrictions they had to go through.
Daniel King (15:28):
And so verse 27, it says that she heard about Jesus. I think that’s so special that when you hear about Jesus, your life is going to change. And so she maybe heard about the paralyzed man who was healed and heard about the leper, who came to Jesus and was healed. And so she heard about Jesus, and then she comes up behind him in the crowd and she reaches out her hand and touches his cloak. And of course he was a rabbi. So he would have been wearing a rabbi’s cloak that has little tassels on the end, prayer tassels. And so she reaches out touches just the edge of her cloak. And it’s because she said to herself, if I just touch his clothes, I will be healed. And then it says immediately her bleeding stopped. And if you read the book of Mark, Mark is shorter than the other gospels. And he talks a lot about like immediately Jesus went to do this, and immediately he went to do that. He was a gospel writer who liked action. Yes. That’s very true. It’s fun.
Kevin Wagner (16:30):
All of action. And you know, that, that, here’s the thing. A lot of these countries that we go to, to preach in the people there, they have a very, a childlike faith, a wonderful childlike faith that Jesus commands just like this woman look at it. She says, if I just touch his clothes, I’ll be healed. There’s no questions about it. There’s no naturalistic explanation that she needs. She just, she’s in a state of desperation. And she truly believes and trusts that when, when that happens, she’s going to be healed. Now, when we go to these countries a lot of times, and you can attest to this, dr. Daniel, a lot of times, people over there, they really want to try to get close to us because they feel the same way. They feel like if they can just kind of touch us or something, get close to us and maybe the power of God can come onto them and impact their lives.
Kevin Wagner (17:23):
But this story is so powerful because look what Jesus says to her. And this is what I often preach at the crusade meetings. He says in verse 34, Mark, two verse Mark, five verse 34, he said to her daughter, your faith has healed you. And at that point in the crusade sermon, I’m going to say, you know what? He doesn’t say, he doesn’t say your hand has healed you. In other words, she he doesn’t commend her hand. It wasn’t her hand touching him that made her better because why there were tons of people touching Jesus. The Bible says they were oppressing around him. Many, many people were in contact with him that day, right?
Daniel King (18:13):
Jim, the disciples kind of laughing at Jesus because he stops and says, who touched me? And they’re like, Jesus, there’s lots of people here touching you. What do you mean? Who touched you? But she had something special. Her touch was a touch of faith.
Kevin Wagner (18:26):
That is exactly right. And that’s what I tell the people is crusade means you don’t have to touch me to be healed. You can be healed right now. When you trust Jesus to heal you the way that this woman did. And it’s a powerful, powerful reminder reminder, it’s really humbling for us as evangelists. It’s not like people have to touch us to be healed. No, it, the center of everything is always Jesus. It’s not us. And so for, because you know of all that crowd only, she was the one that Jesus knew power had gone out. Why? Just like you said, because she touched him in a special way. She touched him by her faith. She had simple childlike, faith and confidence and trust in Jesus has power to heal her.
Daniel King (19:07):
And so if you will touch Jesus and faith, yeah. You can receive a miracle. That that’s an awesome story. All right. The, the fourth story that I like is Peter’s, mother-in-law back in Matthew chapter eight, we’re kind of bouncing between Matthew over to Mark and back to Matthew again, but Matthew eight, verse 14. It says, when Jesus came into Peter’s house, he saw Peter’s, mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever. And he touched her hand and the fever left her and she got up and began to wait on him. And I love this story because this is Peter’s mother-in-law, this is a very personal miracle. And you know, if your mother-in-law ain’t happy, ain’t no one in the house happy. And so she’s laying in bed, she’s sick with a fever and Jesus and all the disciples come and, and Jesus goes into her and touches her hand.
Daniel King (20:01):
He just reaches out his hand and touches her, which is special. That, that Jesus would touch someone and the fever leaves and like a good mother-in-law. She gets up and says, you guys are hungry, aren’t you? And she immediately begins cooking dinner for all the disciples. And, and you can see how pleased Peter must have been with this miracle because it’s one thing to go out on the field and see all the people being healed out there. The blind eyes are being open. Deaf ears are being open. The cripples are walking, but when it is your mother-in-law, this is a very personal miracle for Peter in this shows that Jesus cares for every single individual. That if you’re sick, Jesus cares for you. He loves for you. And Jesus is reaching out his hand to touch you right now. And if Jesus touches you, you can be completely made whole,
Kevin Wagner (20:57):
I preach a sermon on this story. It’s called first things first. And I see in this too, you know, the priority that Jesus had on people, Jesus jesus’ priority was always people. It was not pleasure. It was not getting fed. It was not getting watered. It was not having a place to lay down and rest. When he walked into Peter’s house. The first thing that they did was tell Jesus about his mother-in-law and Jesus did not wait to be waited on. He went straight to her because he had a heart of compassion that prioritized people. And that’s just such a beautiful thing to see. We have to be people as evangelists when we traveled to these places that you know, literally, no, there’s no reason in the natural for us to be there other than to bring Jesus to them. They’re not economic centers. They’re not business centers. They’re not tourist centers. They’re only, we’re only there for the people. And that really keeps our focus on ministry. I believe crystallized Jesus. His focus was always prioritizing people and sodas. Ours need to be
Daniel King (22:06):
That’s awesome. Well, dr. Kevin, there may be someone listening to the podcast right now who has been sick and needs a healing miracle. Could you finish up by, by praying for God’s healing power to touch our friend who’s listening right now.
Kevin Wagner (22:24):
Sure. Be happy to do that. Just honored and privileged. Lord Jesus. We just present to you, Lord God, whoever might need a special touch of healing right now in their own bodies. We present them to you before your throne of grace. I pray Lord God, that you would pour healing into their bodies, the way that you did in Bible days and the way that you continue to do now around the world, I speak against any spirit of infirmity right now that has been afflicting these people in the name of Jesus Christ. I break your hold off their bodies. I command you to go far from them right now and ask you Holy spirit to pour out your healing, power and virtue into the lives of these people, Lord, that they might have their symptoms removed and that they may have the deep recesses of their bodies. Lord cleanse of whatever has been afflicting and plaguing them. I thank you. Jesus said by your stripes, they are healed. Amen.
Daniel King (23:15):
Amen. Thank you very much.
Description: Imran Fazal & Mehwish Imran are evangelists from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. On today’s podcast, Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach, talks to them about what it is like to minister in Pakistan. If you want to go tell people about Jesus in Pakistan, listen to this episode.
Imran Fazal & Mehwish Imran answer questions:
What is ministry in Pakistan like?
What type of food do people eat in Pakistan?
What are the people of Pakistan like?
What are the differences between American culture and Pakistani culture?
What is the difference between a “love marriage” and an “arranged marriage?”
Is there freedom for Christians to worship in Pakistan?
What is a typical worship service in Pakistan like?
How does your ministry start house churches in Pakistan?
Is there any reason to be afraid for someone from the West to come to Pakistan?
Bonus: Hear a beautiful Christian song in Urdu.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. We are back with brother Imran, futsal, and his wife may wish. Thank you so much for joining me today. And man, there’s the Lord. Thank you so much, pastor Daniel King. So we are being blessed with you. And today we had a great time with you. You had a beautiful wife and we have wonderful time together. We give all glory to God. Let’s talk a little bit about the nation of Pakistan. You’re from Pakistan. Yes. And tell us a little bit about your nation. Praise the Lord. Pakistan is a great nation and we love Pakistan. And we are daily praying for Pakistan and God gave us a van for Pakistan to reach souls for the kingdom of God. And we love to see when people they came to Christ, give their heart to Jesus. And that moment is a wonderful moment. When people lift up their hand to heaven and we give all glory to God, praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Amen. May wish. One of the questions that I am frequently asked when I traveled to another country is what did you eat while you’re there? So tell us some about the food in the nation of practice.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
God, the Pakistani food is really delicious food. So we have chicken Berea, Bonnie, and we have lamb. We eat beef as well. Lentils watch the rise. So the food of Pakistan is really,
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:45):
And the good bud BQ, praise the Lord and good barbecue. So what’s your favorite food to eat? Our favorite food is chicken Briani and then when I went to Pakistan, they made special bread. It’s called roti. How they make roti.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
They make a floor door and with a floor door, they make roti. And the good thing about Pakistan in our country, we’ve made three meals a day and we ate fresh meals three times.
Daniel King (02:14):
Wow. That’s a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah. It is a lot of work. You are right.
Daniel King (02:19):
And do your children like your cooking?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. My kids love my cooking whenever I cook. Oh my God. They’ll say, Oh mom, this is so delicious. We love what you made.
Daniel King (02:29):
Wow. And tell us some about the culture in the people of Pakistan. The culture there is very different than
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Oh, very loving people are very loving and kind and respect one another. And we really had a good culture or there praise God for that.
Daniel King (02:47):
W what do you see are some of the differences in culture between the United States and Pakistan
Speaker 2 (02:55):
In Pakistan? We really have a family culture, people together, people, you know, whenever there is some thanks people. If somebody is sick or some problem everybody’s gathered so quickly, it’s not like that you are alone sitting in your home and nobody’s there to see you. So people care one another, a lot.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:14):
That’s such a wonderful part of, of culture. And also marriage happens differently in your culture. How do people typically get married?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Now our culture is a little bit getting changed. People are doing love marriages as well, but still to do a love marriage. You still need to have a permission from your families, your family of the family say, okay, then you are able to do that. And mostly many people that do arranged marriages as well, but praise God in our country, the marriages are really good. People are fateful. And we believe in just one. Marriage and Noam are most like, it’s not like that. So many people come and go and you decide that you are sure that this is the one or not. So it’s not like that.
Daniel King (03:59):
Talk about Christianity in the nation of Pakistan. The majority in Pakistan are Muslims and follow the yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Sarah country name is also Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
Daniel King (04:13):
And how, what percentage is Chris
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Officially? It says that there is 3%, but praise God, what we are facing and what we are seeing, many people are giving their heart to Jesus Christ. So we give glory to God.
Daniel King (04:27):
W and is there freedom for Christians as they live in Pakistan,
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Some problems as well, but praise God that we can freely worship the God. So we give glory to God as compared to we see in other countries that in other countries you can do really big campaigns and all that stuff. If you look at Malaysia or other countries, so praise God, we still have a freedom to preach and to worship our God. Yes, there are some persecution. There are some problems exist, but praise God, we have freedom as well.
Daniel King (04:56):
So you have freedom to practice your faith. And there are churches in, in Pakistan. Tell us some about a typical worship service in Pakistan,
Speaker 2 (05:08):
A typical worship. So express God that we begin with a prayer, some worship songs, and then afterwards the Soman and afterwards again, a song and worship. So praise God,
Daniel King (05:20):
Can you sing a little song for us? Do you sing the song? Sing, sing, sing a song in Urdu for us. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (05:37):
[Inaudible] [inaudible], [inaudible], [inaudible] made us in who
Daniel King (06:06):
Now what the translation is
Speaker 2 (06:08):
That my Jesus Christ is living forever with me. And he’s saying that do not worry. So when my Jesus is with me, why I will be worrying? Well, I will be living under fear. He is with me. So I do not need to be worried. I do not need to be afraid or fearful.
Daniel King (06:25):
Now you have lots of home churches, yes. That you helped to pastor T tell me about the home churches, praise the Lord. We have planted a lot of hosts judges and offer after the prayer festival, when people came to Christ and then we change people and sending them to the host churches and also local churches as well. So pastures that chain and send them to a different part. So we give all glory to God. So this is like all the work, the Holy spirit is doing the Jesus, the Holy spirit. He did all the work. So we make, this is for his grace. He use us for his glory, praise God. So when people come to the prayer festival, then they, they cry out to Jesus and Jesus forgives their sins. And then you invite them to one of the houses in their neighborhood. And they join a house church and, and, and tell us how long it takes them to disciple the people who have cried out to Jesus.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So we sent back and forth. Our pastor steams, we do free Bible distribution as well. And our pastor esteem. Yes. So it took time as well. And we provide a pastor local pastor in those areas so that they can help them build and develop.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:54):
Do you have a systematic plan for helping people to grow in Christ? Tell me some about the plan and what you do.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Praise the Lord. As they tell you that we send individual teams, they set with them. They share the word of God with them, pray with them, and you tell them how they can grow one to one. So I don’t think so. There is much better thing than to one to one counseling and leading them people,
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:18):
Each one, each one. So each one reach one. So, so after the festival is over, then one by one teams will go and meet with people and talk with people. Yes. Wow. That’s so beautiful. It’s so amazing to see how God works in every culture and every place and every country, God works and, and ministers did it. The needs of the people. And what type of, of miracles have you seen over the longterm? In, in these lives?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
We have seen that their, her life has been changed. They have a trust start trusting on God. God has blessing them financially, physically healing. So we solve a miracle working. God, nothing is impossible before him. So whatever need people have, God is there to help.
Daniel King (09:06):
Yeah. And the thing we encouraging people. So this is not matter before leg Jesus. So you are, your life is in like a 30 year. You are in sin 20 year, 10 year, the single moment he will change your whole life. If you are in problem. Same. Like if we see so many miracle in the Bible, like 38 year, like the blend blind man, and also the one lady, she had a shoe of the blood lasted 12 year. But when they believe on him and when the, like a trust on him. So this is like the single moment he changed your whole life. Wow. That’s tremendous. What a tremendous miracle God does in the lives of people. So tell me, what advice would you give to someone who’s coming to Pakistan for the first time? What would you tell them? In order to prepare them to come to Pakistan
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Is the largest. Listen, what the Holy spirit is saying to you. The not be afraid to not be fearful. The one who is sending you is with you. And he has a better plan for you. If God has a plan for you that you want to use you in Pakistan, he will definitely use you if you are running from that plan. Anyhow, whatever time God is, he is going to bring you there.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:32):
And man, I mean, and right now, if you are evangelist, if you are a pastor, so we encourage you and God loves you. So we welcome you in Pakistan. Anytime you will be a part of [inaudible] and also harvest gospel, the church ministries of Pakistan, and we have art and we have passion to take the gospel to every home of Pakistan and also all around the word, praise the Lord, like sometimes from here in the United States, when people hear about Pakistan, they only hear the negative stories, stories of persecution, stories of danger, even stories of terrorism. Is there any reason for missionaries or for a Christian person to be afraid to come to Pakistan? Or if they come, will they be protected and taken care of?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Aye, they come, we will make sure that they will be protected and taking care of PSAs media. You know, that they always show the other side of the picture, but there is another side of the picture, which is that God is really bringing revival and working in the nation of Pakistan. So take a step of faith and you need to come out from the safe zone. The moment you follow the cross, it’s not an easy path. God, who is with you. He’s your protector. First of all, that he’s the one who protect us. Other than that, when you will be coming to us, we will make sure to tear good care of you
Daniel King (12:02):
And praise God, Pakistani people. They are very caring, loving. And when you are there, so you have a great time with the us and with all the Pakistani Pakistani people, they are very loving and caring. We love Pakistan, Pakistan. Zindabad
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That’s me long, lived Pakistan
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:25):
Long live Pakistan. Well, thank you so much for being with me today. God bless you. God bless you too.
Description: It would be a horrible tragedy for an evangelist to lead millions of people to Jesus only to have one of his own children go to hell. God does not just call individuals, He calls the entire family. Learn how Dr. Kevin Wagner raised his four sons to love God while being a full time evangelist at the same time. On today’s podcast we talk to Dr. Kevin Wagner about how an evangelist can raise a godly family.
Kevin Wagner answers the following questions:
How did your whole family memorize entire books of the Bible?
When did you give your sons the opportunity to preach their own crusade?
What advice would you give to an evangelist with young children?
What is the importance of having a daily devotional time with your children?
Three pieces of advice from Kevin Wagner:
1. Be intentional to spend time with your children.
2. Allow your children to travel with you.
3. Give your children opportunities to minister.
Key Verse: Acts 21:8-9 “On the next day we who were Paul’s companions departed and came to Caesarea, and entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied.”
Key Verse #2: 1 Timothy 3:2-4 “Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well…”
Key Idea from Daniel King: It would be a tragedy to lead millions of people to Jesus and lose a member of your own family.
Daniel King (00:00):
Well, I have a very special guest today, dr. Kevin Wagner from Wagner ministries international. He is a great evangelist, but he also happens to be a great father. And so today we’re going to be talking about the evangelist and his family. Welcome dr. Kevin Wagner.
Kevin Wagner (00:20):
Thank you very much, dr. Daniel. It’s great to be on the show
Daniel King (00:24):
And we’re going to talk about families. It’s very important for evangelists to take their family into consideration. As they’re called to go around the world and preach the gospel, they also need to take care of their family. And so I think a great biblical example is Philip. The evangelist. He’s the only one in the entire Bible who was specifically called an evangelist. We find his story in acts chapter 21 when Luke and Paul stop. And Cesarea, it says in acts 21, verse eight, it says leaving the next day we reached Cesarea and stayed at the house of Philip, the evangelist, one of the seven. And he had four on married daughters who prophesied. So the city of Cesarea was built by Herod the great as a gift to Caesar in Rome. And it was a port city and of course, sailors are coming into Cesarea and sailors.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:29):
They cuss like sailors. They act like sailors. They’re sinful. There are remnants of, of pagan temples that are built they’re incest area. So this was a very sinful city, and I think that’s a great place for an evangelist to go and live. So Philip, the evangelist, he goes and lives in Cesarea and he’s got four on married daughters. They’re all virgins and they prophesied. So they’re working with him in the ministry and they’ve managed to keep themselves pure in a city where there is great sin. So dr. Kevin, you have four sons and they’re, they’ve all grown up loving God. What did you do as an evangelist to raise your family and keep them close to God?
Kevin Wagner (02:18):
It’s a great question, Daniel. You know, I I looked actually to fill up the evangelist when we start our ministry as an example. And then of course, the other modern day, men of God who have raised their families in my estimation very well. And I tried to learn from those examples. And I remember early on Billy Graham, the great evangelist, he said in response to the question, as someone asked him towards the end of his life, do you have any regrets? And he said this, he said, this one thing I remember he said, I wish I would have spent more time with my family when they were young. And that was, those are words that really impacted me as a, a young evangelist, just starting out. And so I really made my best effort to when I was not traveling to really be at home and present with the kids. In other words, not just at home, kind of doing work while I was at home and, and, and asking them to leave me alone to do some private work. But rather if I was at home,
Daniel King (03:24):
I’m guilty of that. Sometimes I was busy today until both of my kids. I’m, daddy’s busy, let me work. I mean, there are times
Kevin Wagner (03:34):
Times for that, but as much as possible, I always tried to, if I was not traveling, I would try to be present with them. And and that would be, that was I think, a big priority. So I think I kind of learned from Billy Graham that way. Cause it’s like, if that’s a regret that he had, I wanted to, you know, try to avoid that pitfall. I think
Daniel King (03:53):
Four sons. Tell us about your four sons. You’ve got Josh, you’ve got Jesse, you’ve got Daniel, Daniel and Luke. That’s right.
Kevin Wagner (04:02):
So I’ve got four sons and we so Josh, he works with me in our ministry. He’s a full time evangelist with Wagner ministries international. And we you know, we have a lot of the same skill set and, and we work together really well. Yeah.
Daniel King (04:21):
He goes and does crusades, same as you.
Kevin Wagner (04:24):
That is exactly right. In fact, we have never, since he was 18 years old, been together on the same crusade, we’ve only
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:32):
Always been separate. What you need is a father, son crusade, where you get to go. And, and, but of course the Bible does say if you’ve, Jesus said, if you’ve seen me, you’ve seen the father, so, Oh, wow. Okay. So you’ve seen, you’ve seen dr. Kevin. Yeah. Well, you know, I’ve had a lot of it
Kevin Wagner (04:50):
Father, son crusades in the past because he was here was what, what I did when I w when the boys are growing up, is I because the places that we went were literally on the other side of the planet, there’s a huge time change. First of all, there’s a huge travel involved, which you understand dr. Daniel, cause you go to the same places, you know, it takes via planes, trains, and automobiles. It takes the better part of often two days to get to where we’re really going, the ultimate destination. And so that sort of travel is very grueling physically. It takes its toll on a body. And so I didn’t want to take my kids when they were too young. The other thing is because of something that I saw the planet, it’s a time change of, you know, really night as day and day is night.
Kevin Wagner (05:38):
It’s 10 to 12 hour time change in many cases. And so it’s really hard because you’re, you’re tired when you’re supposed to be fully awake, ministering, and then you’re really awake when you’re supposed to be tired in the middle of the night. So those things made it very clear to me that I wanted to wait until my boys were at least 13 years old or right around there to begin taking them along with me, even though they were eager to go even at a younger age. So all of my boys started traveling with me when they were around 13 years old. That was a time when they became very adventurous, like most teenage boys are, and they were happy to come. It wasn’t ever anything. I forced them to do either. It was just something that I, I asked them and they were always interested in doing it.
Daniel King (06:24):
That’s a great adventure for the children of an evangelist to go to the mission field. And some people stay at home and play video games. They get to go and, and ride in a wreck shot. It’s great fun.
Kevin Wagner (06:36):
You know my wife, Nicole, she homeschooled the kids w homeschooling is a proper choice for a lot of ministry families, not just evangelists. And so the homeschooling allowed us the flexibility for the boys to do these sorts of things and started to travel on those crusades was the first thing that I gave them an opportunity to do. But then when they became 15 years old, after they traveled with me for about two years, I then invited them to start teaching at their own youth conferences over in these countries. Youth ministry ministry, specifically to teens is very, very rare. It’s something that most churches do not have a lot of focus and stress on like we do over in North America. And so to have a teen conference for the teens of that city was, was groundbreaking a lot of these places, especially because a lot of these places are off the beaten track.
Kevin Wagner (07:34):
So I would ask my boys, Hey, you’ve been watching me preach now on these crusades, you know, a few times for a couple of years, would you like to teach at your own teen conference? And of course, invariably, they said, yeah, I’d like to. And so when they were 15, they started getting up in front of, you know, oftentimes hundreds of teens, local teams in these other countries, and they would start preaching and they would start teaching and they start ministering, laying their hands on people to be saved, delivered, and healed by Jesus. And so at 15 years old, they started doing the stuff of evangelism.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:10):
Wow, that’s tremendous. So, so I, I’ve heard you say three things, first of all, be intentional about spending time with your kids as they’re growing up, and then to allow the children to travel with you and then three, give them opportunities to minister. You know, I’m a, I’m a big believer that God does not just call individuals. He calls families. He’s a generational God, he’s the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And so God doesn’t look just at the individual. He looks at the entire family and he has a destiny for the entire family to be involved in his, his plan for humanity. And so my grandparents were missionaries and then parents were also missionaries. And so I was privileged to grow up on the mission field and to be part of our family was to be part of the ministry. And so I got to participate in my father preaching and we would go into Mexico and do lots of small children’s crusades.
Daniel King (09:10):
And I was the one in charge of putting up the sound system and putting out the chairs and passing out beans and rice. I was the slave labor of the ministry. I worked hard and stuffing newsletters to raise money. And so that’s how I grew up as a, as a child, but I loved it, just the opportunity to participate in the ministry. And now, of course, I’m an evangelist and I’m training my kids. My son, Caleb is now 10. And my daughter, Katie grace is eight and they’ve been on several missions trips with us. And Katie loves praying with people. We did a, a woman’s conference last year in Dominican Republic. And Katie got up and sang with my wife as a special for all the women. And it was anointed. They, the presence of God fell when she was singing. And then my son was helping to, to run the camera, amen. Which I had been praying and asking, God, say, God, I need a camera person to travel with me. And my son was enthusiastic about running the camera. And he took it very seriously and was capturing the footage of all the miracles and the things that that God did. And so you intentionally included your, your children in the ministry and how has that now produce fruit in their lives?
Kevin Wagner (10:33):
Yeah, so I’ve mentioned my son, Josh already, but my second son, Jesse he is in full time ministry down in an excellent church, a large church in the Dallas, Texas area. He’s a director of student men at one of the directors of student ministries down there, a student ministries pastor. They have just an incredible student ministry, a very large student ministry, dynamic and influential. And he’s got a real, a real great ministry that God’s using him in down there. My other two sons, Daniel and Jess are Dale and Luke Luke is getting his master’s degree at oral Roberts university right now in biblical studies, both Daniel and Luke got their bachelor’s degrees in biblical studies from, or you. And so they’re still kind of figuring out exactly what what God wants them to do in terms of the calling of their life. But both of them are strong believers in Jesus, love the Lord and are active in their local churches.
Daniel King (11:32):
Now, one of the things that, that you did with your sons, that I really love was Bible quiz and you memorize scripture with them, and then it participated in Bible quizzes. How did that come about and what happened with being in Bible quiz?
Kevin Wagner (11:50):
Well, that was something we just kind of stumbled into our, we should, I should say God ordained it because that was not part of our paradigm. Growing up in Canada, we didn’t have a really developed Bible quiz ministry, the way that the U S H U S has in some parts, especially here in Oklahoma.
Daniel King (12:08):
Kevin Wagner (12:10):
When our boys, when our oldest son got to be about 15, his friends invited him to join this Bible cause program at the church that they’re in a youth group of. And the boys found out that they were not only really good at memorizing scripture, but they’re also really good at quizzing generally Bible quizzes, kind of, like I say, it’s kind of like a Bible version of jeopardy, but it’s really well organized and very competitive down here in the assemblies of God that we, that we quizzed with. And so our boys ended up being a, you have a team of three, three to six people, and they ended up being like the most successful Bible quiz team in the history of Bible quiz down here since the sixties. And I coached them now, my wife, Nicole also assistant coach them. And then the boys were the quizzers. And so we did this as a family, as some of their friends joined the team too. And all it did was it place the word of God in their hearts, just like the Bible says,
Daniel King (13:03):
So they were memorizing entire books of the Bible, and then you memorized it along with them, right. Just to help quiz them and coaching them to do very well with, with Bible. Cause what a tremendous way to, to hide God’s word.
Kevin Wagner (13:18):
The nice, the fun thing about it is, you know, boys generally teenage boys are competitive by nature. And so this Bible quiz was really competitive. And so this was kind of like their sport. We played it like a sport. And even though we played other sports for fun, this is kind of our competitive thing. And the boys just were super good at it. And you know, all, all four of the boys have memorized, like you said, literally entire books of the new Testament. Some of the boys that memorize three gospels, like three words, not like thought, you know, over a thousand verses in some of these books, I memorize 19 books of the new Testament mainly the smaller books, but each of us have memorized literally thousands of verses of the new Testament. And I quote on the way over here to your house today to do the podcast, I was quoting through the book of acts, just driving along. What chapter are you on in the book of acts? Well, today I was just, I kind of started, I quoted like the end of the book of Jude and then I went into acts. And so I was quoting into acts one and three, I think one, two and three.
Daniel King (14:20):
Wow. That’s tremendous. So let’s talk more about raising kids as an evangelist. Sure. You know, it would be a great tragedy to lead thousands of people to Jesus and to have one of your own kids fall away from Christ and not, not make it to heaven. So, so w what priority do you think the evangelists should put on raising children and on their family? Well,
Kevin Wagner (14:46):
Obviously I would say this, that the priority of your family first over ministry even is, is paramount. It needs to your family means it needs to be taken care of first. And, you know, the Bible says that if you don’t do that, you’re worse than a pagan. You’re worse than an unbeliever. And, and they’re not just talking physical needs. They’re, they’re talking emotional and spiritual are and physical needs. So you need to put your family prioritize, prioritize them first. I think for me, one of the things, one of the, in the progression of giving people an opportunity, my family, an opportunity to see what God’s call was on their life. You know, when they, I mentioned how, when they were 15, they started doing their own teen conferences. But when they became 18 years old, dr. Daniel, then I invited them if they wanted to.
Kevin Wagner (15:40):
And all of them said that they wanted to, and they did, if they wanted to, they could start doing their own crusades in these countries. And I wouldn’t go with them. Their mom went with them, my wife, Nicole would go with them, but they would start literally preaching at the teaching at the pastors conferences and doing the crusade meetings in front of all these people. Now they’d already been seeing all these things modeled for them for five years. Why did I do this? I did not do this in an attempt to try to impose God’s calling on their life, because I was very clear from the start with the boys. I want you to do what Jesus has called you to do. When we see sometimes we see ministers trying to impose a calling on their children. That just because they’re, they were called to be in this type of ministry, then their kids should be too.
Kevin Wagner (16:32):
And it doesn’t usually work out well, it may seem to work out well for a short time, but in the long run, it doesn’t seem to work out well. So I was very cognizant of that. And so what I wanted to do with it simply show them what the life and the calling of an evangelist is like. And to help them make an informed decision as they became older, what God wanted them to do with their life. So at least they knew what what they would begin to selves into. If they said yes to God’s called to be an evangelist, if that was what he wanted. And so far out of my four kids one of them is an evangelist along with me. One of them is a in full time ministry as a pastor to a large thriving church. And the other two are still discerning, God’s call in their life. But the bot and who knows, maybe all of them worked for a ministry, dr. Daniel into their twenties. They were all doing crusades for our ministry, into their twenties. And then as time went on, some have stayed with it, some haven’t, but it doesn’t mean they’re not serving the Lord. They’re just going with what they believe God’s calling them to do for the season of life. And who knows, some of them may transition into evangelism again, like I did later on in life. That’s tremendous what a great blessing that is. What, what more advice
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:50):
Would you give to an evangelist who has young children? So, so your son, Josh, he now has three kids and one more on the way. That’s right. And so, so what advice are you giving to your son, Josh, as he starts to raise your grandchildren?
Kevin Wagner (18:08):
Sure. So, I mean, I think I would say this, that schooling is a big issue. We talked about Bible quiz. We talked about how I think, you know, honestly, in terms of hobbies and time that you spend your time, things that you spend your time on with your children and teenagers, I don’t think there’s any better hobby than Bible quiz, because it gets the word of God into your heart. And it says, Bible says, how can a young man keep his way pure by living? According, according to your word, I’ve hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you. Now, having settled that I think that another hugely important thing is and my wife and I have taught parenting conferences occasionally through the years. And one of the things that we say too, that’s really big is, is how are you going to school, your kids? Obviously the type of schooling that you do with your kids is also, we believe a calling from God. We’re not saying that everyone needs to homeschool, even though we did, we’re not saying everyone needs to put their kids in a private Christian school, even though at this point, your kids are dr. Daniel.
Daniel King (19:07):
My kids are at victory school and we decided to put them in there because they have chapel twice a week. They memorize scriptures that teachers pray over them, lead them in devotions every day. And so we wanted our kids to be in an atmosphere of learning about God, rather than a secular atmosphere.
Kevin Wagner (19:27):
And then the other option, typically, at least in North America is public schooling. And depending on the school district, there are still some school districts. I know, especially in Oklahoma, that they run their schools very much like Christian schools still, you know, and they have their kind of throwbacks in that whole public school system. But if you choose the public school route, I think you really need to feel called by God to do that. Because what’s increasingly happening in our culture in the U S and Canada is of course that God is not just being really kind of expelled from school, but by the enemy and many of the enemies teachings and worldviews have been invited in to replace that vacuum. And so you really need, I think if your kids are going to be in the public school system, you want to have them as you want to give them a mindset of being a missionary, whenever they go to school that they’re entering, you know, the largest mission field in North America on a daily basis. And so I think that you’ve got, you’ve got those three main decisions to make when a term, when it comes to schooling your kids, especially when your kids start, you know, getting to the age of kindergarten and beyond. So that’s really huge, you know, gotta, gotta get on your knees, got to fast and pray, God, what do you want me to do with my kids? What are you? They’re your kids, ultimately, they’re on loan from you. What do you want me to do with your kids? Yeah,
Daniel King (20:52):
Well, let’s finish up today with advice from Paul to Timothy, who is one of his spiritual sons, and first Timothy three, he’s talking about what an ideal Bishop would look like, who is called to, to lead people in the body of Christ. And even though this is written to a Bishop, I think it applies to an evangelist as well. Verse two of first Timothy chapter three, it says now the overseer or the Bishop must be above reproach, the husband of, but one wife temperate, self-controlled respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not lover of. And so all that is good, but specifically about a family, he says he must manage his own family. Well, yes. And so I think that is excellent advice to the evangelist. So you have to learn to, to manage your own family. Well,
Kevin Wagner (21:57):
Exactly right. And I think just to quickly say one more thing about word of advice for how to raise your kids, especially when they’re younger, not just as an evangelist family, but, but as a, as a Christian family, you want to be on top of the media, that media that they’re involving themselves with. And so you want to make very sure that you’re doing what you can as a parent to monitor internet usage and what they’re listening to, what they’re watching, et cetera not in an, in an intrusive way, but in a in a responsible way, because you want to try to do whatever you can to help them to be exposed to godly stuff. Instead of the other I think this chapter in first, Timothy three about overseers and deacons is just incredible. Dr. Daniel, I mean, yes. You need to manage your own family well, and a big part of that as being on the same page as your wife, in terms of rearing child raising. And if there’s a discrepancy there, you want to talk things through,
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:04):
Certainly didn’t raise your kids alone. Your wife absolutely has done an excellent job. In fact, she probably gets a lot of the credit for raising four boys that love Jesus.
Kevin Wagner (23:14):
Yes. Amen. I think too. The other thing that, that we did as a family, God told me in 1996, when my boys were still all pretty young, I remember coming back from Atlanta, Georgia, we were out doing an outreach during the pre-Olympic days in Atlanta. And on the way home, the Lord spoke to me, he says, get your house in order. And I said, God, I thought I already had an art. He says, no, there’s, there’s something you need to do. And I came home because God and told, told Nicole about this. He says, we got to start having a family daily, quiet time as a family. And so from 1996 on right up until the boys, really for the most part left for university and moved out we did daily quiet times at the boys. And I don’t mean we just kind of did daily.
Kevin Wagner (23:59):
I mean, you could pretty much count on both hands in one year. How many days we didn’t do quiet time as a family together, you know? And what does that mean? It means that you sit down with them, you you read a chapter of the word of God. You talk about that. You hear what they talk that they learned about in their own daily devotions. You pray together, you speak in tongues together. It’s, it doesn’t have to take a super long amount of time, but it’s a time of your day where you focus your attention as a family on Jesus and what the Bible has to tell us about him. And I think looking back on our on our family, the single most important thing that Nicole and I did as parents was maintain that daily, quiet time with our boys regularly, consistently, and over a long period of time
Daniel King (24:51):
In our family, we do nightly Bible stories. And so they’re at the age where they love hearing Bible stories. And so we have a series of Bible story books that I read to them. And usually I’ll, I’ll read one or then they like ask for another one and then they ask for another one. So we usually end up reading like three or four stories. And finally I’m like, okay, you have to go to bed now they’ll use any excuse they can to not actually go to bed. And so they’re like read one more. We want more. And so that’s been fun. And then even more recently, we’ve started to read through the Chronicles of Narnia, which has some great spiritual truths in it. It’s fun. So we’ll read a couple of Bible stories and I’ll read a couple chapters of Chronicles of Narnia. And then we’ll talk about the, the different spiritual principles that are in those chapters. And so that’s been great fun. It’s so good. So, well, thank you for sharing about how you raised your boys to love Jesus, dr. Kevin.
Kevin Wagner (25:52):
Oh, it’s been a pleasure to talk about those things with you, Dr. Daniel, God bless you.
Description: She is a Foster Mom. She goes on mission trips. She ministers the love of Jesus to everyone she meets. On today’s podcast, meet Maryanne Tiger who works three jobs so she can afford to go tell people about Jesus! If she can be a missionary, anyone can be a missionary. Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach, interviews her.
Maryanne just returned from Sinegal, a nation that is 95% Muslim. Hear about what God did on that trip.
Maryanne has gone to Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Liberia, and to Belize on a trip with King Ministries International.
Maryanne explains why she takes two 70 pound suitcases and two carry on suitcases on every mission trip.
Hear about how Maryanne Tiger is able to evangelize children by being a Foster Mom.
Maryanne explains why being a Foster Parent is such an important ministry.
Maryanne is not rich. She is single and she works three jobs and saves up her money to be able to go on mission trips. If she can make sacrifices to go to the mission field, then anyone can become a missionary. Her story will inspire you to be a missionary.
It is not just full time pastors or ministers job to tell people about Jesus, it’s all of our jobs.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
She is a foster mom. She goes on mission trips. She ministers the love of Jesus to everyone. She meets on today’s podcast. Meet Marianne tiger, who works three jobs. So she can afford to go tell people about Jesus. If she can be a missionary, anyone can be a missionary. Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, fulltime evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I am excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a special guest with me, miss Marianne tiger, who is a short term missionary. She just returned from the nation of Senegal, and she’s also recently been to Sierra Leone, Nigeria and Liberia, and she also loves ministering to children that come to her through the foster care system. So ms. Maryanne, thank you so much for joining us on the podcast today. Thank you for having me. Alright, Maryanne, tell us a little bit about your recent trip to Senegal and what God did there.
Marianne Tiger (01:43):
I was so glad to go, you know, with this whole plan Demi going on the last six months and my trip in April was canceled obviously to Ghana and Ghana was so closed. And so just praying and seeking God and found out that Senegal was open to having tourists come and they weren’t requiring Americans to get a visa. So I was like, this is it. And me and another pastor from Africa, we got a contact and everything came together within like two weeks. Like we had an itinerary and everything just like fell right in place. And it was, God has how smoothly everything went. And we just, you know, went and did what we were supposed to do on the planes. You know, what the mask and everything and showing our negative test results and everything, and go and obey God. And
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:26):
Is the one time where it’s positive to be negative.
Marianne Tiger (02:30):
That’s true. And so the people were very open and receptive and it broke my heart. When I found out that Senegal has 95% Muslims. And so the other 5% is, you know, Christians, Catholics and Mormons, Jehovah witnesses and atheist or nothing. So I always loved preaching on evangelism anyway. And so that’s one of the main messages that I preach when I minister to kids or youth or the adults, and just really serve them up, set a fire in their heart that it’s their job, their responsibility to reach their people. And there’s fear of influence. Cause us missionaries are only there for a short amount of time and everyone is called to tell others about Jesus and what he’s done in their life. It’s not just full time ministers or pastors job. It’s everybody’s job to do that.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:14):
So while you were there in Senegal , you had a chance to minister, to children, to youth and to adults. Tell us about some of the ministry that you were able to do.
Marianne Tiger (03:24):
Yeah. I got there on a Sunday morning and came straight to church and did ministry. We had two services, well, straight from the airport to the pastor’s house change real quick and ate and then went to the church and we had to,
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:39):
It was missionary to hit the ground running.
Marianne Tiger (03:42):
Yeah. They were like, you don’t want to rest. I’m like, I don’t want to miss any time I’m here to, I can rest later. I can do ministry now and rest later. So,
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:49):
And tell me some of the testimonies of what God did while you were there.
Marianne Tiger (03:53):
Just seeing that, you know, we work with some different denominations that are maybe not as used to, you know, the Holy spirit moving in or anything like that. And so even when with some restrictions where they’re saying, you know, we don’t touch as much stuff like that because we have to follow their rules and things like that. And God just touched people, even if you don’t touch them and pray for them, the power of God can still touch people, you know? And then when you speak the word of God, there’s power and it touches hearts. And people were just touched by the word of God and teaching on, you know, prayer and evangelism and they have value and purpose, just see their lives change. And then there was some people that we did, you know, lay hands on and see, God touched them that were sick and things like that. And you know, they just get emotional sometimes when you pray for them because you have, you know, similar testimonies or just compassion for them. And,
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:42):
And so when you were ministering and praying for people, did you use a translator?
Marianne Tiger (04:47):
We had a French translator that’s that translated for us. And then some people that are Como server,
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:56):
My wife speaks some French, but I only speak Spanish
Marianne Tiger (05:00):
More Spanish. So I understand some of the French because of the Latin based similarities, but it’s hard to communicate, but we have a translator. And then some people do speak English that are educated. So it’s nice to be able to speak with them and get them to use their English again. And then there’s the African language Wolof. So when we were in some of the different cities that we had, the translator translate in Wolof, if there was more children, because they’re not as fluent in French yet, so,
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:25):
Okay. So you have gone to Senegal and then you’ve also been to Sierra Leone to Nigeria, to Liberia a few years ago. You also had the chance to come with us to the nation of beliefs, where we did the beliefs festival of hope, and we’re very privileged to have you on our team. And so what, what are some of the differences and similarities you see between all these different nations you’ve been to?
Marianne Tiger (05:50):
Well, Balise is more of a Catholic nation because of the colonization. So they’ve heard about Jesus more than the people of Senegal. And so but everywhere there’s people who might’ve heard the truth and may have not received it yet and kind of do their own thing or they think they don’t need God. So that’s similarity in all the world and everybody needs Jesus, but there’s more, there’s poverty, a lot more poverty in Africa, I would say, you know, but in Belize we did bigger crusades. We did the big open air crusade, which was awesome. And we hit seven cities that week, while we were there. So it was a great way to evangelize that whole thing.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:30):
You actually did. 11 differences,
Marianne Tiger (06:32):
11. Okay. I’m off by a few cities.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:35):
So that was a tremendous outreach where we impacted the entire nation of beliefs. Okay. So you’re doing, there’s these trips and you, you mentioned that there’s a lot of poverty in some of these nations. Tell me, what do you put in your suitcase when you go?
Marianne Tiger (06:52):
I get that I get is a little better ticket where I can bring more weight. Cause usually you can bring two 50 pound bags and these tickets, let me bring two 70 pound bags, plus a carry on and a backpack, which has my step arrive with lots of luggage. Cam will bring in everything and loading it up. So I bring Bibles, I bring glasses, I bring presents, I bring toys, candy, clothes, balloons, you know, snacks, different things that they need. I brought this time, a lot of French books from TLR Osborn ministries on different topics. He’s got like six or seven books on evangelism, how to be a Christian woman in ministry, different things. And the people were so happy to receive those books.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:28):
I love TLR Osborne’s books. They have impacted people all over the world. Yeah.
Marianne Tiger (07:33):
So the pastor was so excited and we were giving them out to the different churches. And I told them, when you read it, give it to someone else and pass them along. So you know, more people can read them and don’t just read it and put it on a shelf, you know?
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:43):
So you had 140 pounds worth in year, two suitcases, plus your carry on and your two carry ons and you, you brought all that and you left almost everything there,
Marianne Tiger (07:55):
Everything there. Yeah. Come back with two big, huge empty suitcases. Then there’s my, my roll bag.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:01):
I know, especially those, those books will be very highly prized and appreciated right there. What a tremendous ministry. Now you also have a great ministry over the years to foster children and you have taken kids in and been a foster mother for them. Tell us about that.
Marianne Tiger (08:25):
Well, there’s a big need in the U S and around the world. And James, it talks about in the Bible that to take care of the widows and orphans and that’s God’s heartbeat is those neglected and abandoned and rejected. And I was myself found myself living in foster homes from the age of six to 13 in between,
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:40):
You were actually a foster child yourself from six to 13 to the age of 13. And so, because of that experience, you know, the need there is among foster children.
Marianne Tiger (08:52):
And I knew what it was like to be lonely and forsaken abandoned, and having to move constantly and living with strangers and, you know, understand everything that’s going on. But in all that, you know, God protected me and kept me from a lot of bad things that could have happened even more so, but that’s why I had heart and compassion to help people, to children, to reach them and reach them with the love of Jesus and help them in any way I can in the time that I have them. And then,
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:19):
And so when you have foster children, you are like the legal guardian for them. So you’re responsible for them. And you also have the opportunity to, to minister, to them, to talk to them about Jesus. And so you can bring the foster children to church with you. You can have devotions with them prayer time in the evening, did you?
Marianne Tiger (09:42):
I did. They were at church two to three times a week and I had my girls in the Missionettes class and we prayed and, you know, did other things that they needed, like some counseling that I knew they needed got that organized for them to help them spiritually and also mentally, and then, you know, help them to get them. Cause since I’m a teacher, get them up to level for their academics, because a lot of them are like way below level. So every way, and physically we would go to the park and exercise and do fun stuff. So try to help them in every mind, spirit and Bali body to help these children thrive and to grow in Jesus.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:16):
Being a foster mother is such a unique opportunity to evangelize because foster children often come with great needs. They come out of very difficult situations sometimes where there has been abused, where there has been serious issues. Sometimes a parent has died. Sometimes they feel unwanted. And so they’re coming to you and, and often children can, can act out when things are going on in their lives. So it takes a lot of patience, but it’s an opportunity to evangelize as a parent where you’re, you’re planting into their, their lives and tell us, was it easy or was it difficult?
Marianne Tiger (11:04):
Challenging? It was definitely challenging cause I’m single. So it was just me. I’m mom and dad, and had a few friends in the house,
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:11):
But you still are bringing these children into your house.
Marianne Tiger (11:16):
Yes. And there’s a big need and we need more people to step up, to take in foster kids to do this, you know, evangelism and help these children because you know, they have nowhere to go, then they’re going to be on the streets and that’s horrible and things like that. And we know the truth. And so what better way to reach these children with the truth of the gospel, with the love of Jesus, to take them in, to help them while they need it.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:38):
And you may be the only person that they’ve ever experienced to really show them love. And so you have such a unique opportunity to be able to, to sow into their lives, to plant a seed of the gospel to, to talk to them about Jesus and also to minister to them. How did you deal with, with abusive situations or people that some of the kids that came to you that were really hurting? How, how did you help to heal? Those hurts?
Marianne Tiger (12:06):
Right. Listening to their stories is a big thing because sometimes some children may be guarded and not open up until they feel like they can trust you, but they always seem to, Oh, my mom did this or my dad did this and this happened and you just, you know, listen and just amazement and, you know, just sadness and just, you know, in sharing my own testimony, the Bible says that we overcome by the word of our testimony and the blood of the lamb, sharing my own testimony of how Jesus helped me and healed me of some sadness and loneliness and that rejection and abandonment spirit. And so how he helped me by spending time with him in prayer and worshiping really did a lot of healing in my heart and growing, you know, with my walk with God and just encouraging them to do that themselves and that God loves them and their special things like that. And just giving them the opportunity to hear the truth, you know, at church with other people sharing the same thing. And
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:57):
That’s awesome. Now I get the impression that you are not super rich. So I see you, you go on these, these different short term missions trips, and, and how are you able to afford them? You, you, you work hard while you’re here. You’re a very hard worker. And then you take time off from work to, for the sacrifice of going over to Africa, in ministering to people, how are you able to do
Marianne Tiger (13:23):
Well where there’s a will, there is a way. And so I’m a tither and I’m a giver. And I support different ministries that do wonderful work overseas and in the U S as well. But I worked three jobs. I work at a, as a substitute teacher at a Christian school here in town. And I work as a nanny and take care of kids. And then I work at a nursing home. And so all these three jobs give me the flexibility when I need to get off for a mission trip. I always have favor to get off. Now, if I did real, you know, full time teaching because I’m a teacher, then it would be harder to get off. So I choose to have these jobs where I can have the flexibility and then I just work extra all the time. And I save and, you know, sacrifice, I don’t have cable.
Marianne Tiger (14:01):
I don’t have like internet. I just have like when you pick it up from when you go places and things like that, hotspot or whatever. And so I sacrificed by saving on those things and then just, you know, being wise with your money and, you know, we don’t need to have all of everything that we ever could ever want. Like I had was the, do I really need this? Or if I didn’t buy this, then I can use the money on a mission trip and things like that. And just, you know, really weighing what you’re spending your money on. Like my goal and my heart and passion is mission. So what do I have to do to save money, to work, to be able to, you know, buy these plane tickets and all the resources to bring over there, to bless the people and things like that, because it brings me joy to give. So I’d rather do that than go to Starbucks, which I don’t like their coffee anyway, but spending $5 on one coffee, people do it two or three times a day, or at least once a day that adds up. So people would just not, you know, go out to eat as much and set some of that money aside for missions. Or if they’re not called to go then to give it to those who are called to go so we can fund the gospel and help spread Jesus to everybody.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:03):
I really admire you Marianne with your dedication to serving Jesus and your enthusiasm for missions and for helping the, these foster kids. I mean, you are a woman of God and you have a heart for helping people. And I really admire how you have sacrificed in order to, to be ministering, to go on these trips, to minister, to people. It, it really shows your heart is for Jesus and for, for the great commission. And so I commend you for that. Give us one testimony of something that God did on one of your recent trips,
Marianne Tiger (15:48):
Just praying for people and seeing them, the power of God touched them. They just break down and cry and things like that always touches my heart. And just hearing, you know, some trips in the past, like in India or different places where the lady said, I had a dream last night and white people came to our village and they never had white people come. And just, you know, I saw him, I saw him in my vision and my dream is God confirming himself to the people. And then they’re there and they hear the gospel. And then, you know, they prayed it for salvation, things like that, little things like divine appointments with people, just connections where, you know, you, you get to talk to them, administer and you connect and things like that. And then people, when you leave, you want to keep in touch like on Facebook or WhatsApp or something like that. So I’ve been still what, since I’ve been home the last two weeks or so, talking to some of the ladies and sending them encouraging things and encouraging them to evangelism and carry the torch and things like that. And so I like seeing fruit, you know, fruit that remains and things like that, people that are hungry for God and that reach out to still connect and things like that and grow
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:51):
Well. Maryanne, if you have been able to find your ministry and you’re able to go on all these missions trips, then I think anyone can become a missionary. Anyone can go and tell people about Jesus. Anyone can find their niche, their, their assignment, their calling, to, to reach people for Jesus. And so thank you so much for being on the podcast is great to have you with us.
Marianne Tiger (17:15):
Thank you for having me. I bless you.
Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:17):
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Description: Imran Fazal has organized some of the largest prayer meetings in the history of Pakistan. One of his events attracted over 1.4 million people. On this podcast, Imran and his wife Mehwish share about some of the amazing miracles they have witnessed in this predominately Muslim nation.
Hear the amazing story of a dead child who came back to life!
Imran answers these questions:
You have organized some massive events in Pakistan. What is the largest crowd you have seen?
Jesus often does miracles for people in Pakistan, tell a story about the greatest miracles you have seen?
Tell me about Fazal Television. How many homes does it reach in Pakistan and what is your vision for the station?
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. So delighted that you could spend some time with me today. I have a very special guest from the nation of Pakistan, and he has organized some of the largest events in history that have preached the gospel evangelistically. And so I’m so happy to have you here, brother, Imran, Fazal welcome to the
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Amen. Praise the Lord. Thank you so much, brother. Daniel King. So we it is an honor for us to be with you in this podcast. And today we had a great day and we are looking for a great signs and miraclesl and wonders in Jesus name.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And that’s wonderful. And I love your accent. You are from the nation of Pakistan. Pakistan is a very big nation. There are over 233 million people in the nation of Pakistan. And according to some statistics I’ve seen around 3% of the nation currently is Christian. There are also some Hindus and the vast majority of Pakistan is Muslim. So there’s lots of people in Pakistan that need Jesus. Tell me, what is it like when you preach about Jesus in Pakistan?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Praise the Lord. First of all, we give all glory to God. And this is me, pastor Imran, Fazall from Pakistan and I am in ministry last 21 year. And then we are doing vandalism church planting and also discipling people, equipping train, and sending. So this is all because of him because we don’t have any abilities. We nothing have anything. So this is for his glory and the grace. He uses us for his, where can we saw in our life, tens of thousand, the miracle signs and wonders. So this is we give all glory to God.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Wow, that’s tremendous. And you have organized some of the largest evangelistic events in history in the nation of Pakistan. Tell me what is the largest prayer festival that you’ve ever done?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Praise the Lord. We did that three time, 1.4 million people gathering in Pakistan.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
1.4 million people on one field in one place
Speaker 2 (02:36):
In Pakistan. So praise God, there is thousands of thousands people that received Jesus salvation, and a lot of like thousands of thousand people get saved and receive their miracle healings. And we give all glory to God. So this is the history of the largest
Speaker 1 (03:00):
We did in Pakistan. Wow. That’s amazing. And you regularly do events that have a hundred thousand 200,300, 500,000 people at a time in the, the pictures are so beautiful. All the people that are coming to hear about Jesus and to receive a miracle from Jesus. Tell me what are some of the miracles that people come expecting to receive? So this is my wife, she’s with me. So she’s going to speak, Oh, we’re so glad to have you on the podcast. My name is may way.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yes. My name is [inaudible].
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well wonderful. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It’s an honor for us to be with you on the podcast right now. So praise the Lord. As you said that what brings the people to the prayer festival? So praise God, we saw a miracle working God and our Jesus. He do miracles 2000 years ago. And as the word of God says, Jesus Christ is the same today, yesterday and forever. So the miracles he was doing 2000 years ago, he is still doing the miracles and the, in the preface. Well, hundreds of thousands of people, they do come with a great expectations for the needs they have for the healing, for the physical need, for the financial need, for the emotional needs. And as the word of God says that they will know the truth and the truth will set them free. So praise God, when they come to the professional that know the truth, they listen the word of God, not only they received their healing, their received their salvation as well. And they’re received their savior as well. And praise God, we have seen blind eyes opening. We have seen, and the prayer of festival lame start walking. We have seen tremendous miracles. We have seen tumor has been disappeared the right away in the prayer festival. And we have seen many people who have been demon possessed, God set them free. And the prayer festivals
Speaker 1 (05:01):
People gather on the field and they’re coming because they need a miracle in their lives. And so you call it a prayer festival.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
We call a per festival because there we all together prayer for the needs of the people we pray for our country. We pray for everyone.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
That’s so beautiful. And then after you pray for people, Jesus does miracles begins to touch the people. And then do you invite them to come up on the platform to testify?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yes. Praise the Lord. I want to tell you that we have big lines of the testimony because we saw a living God. And when we solve a living, God, he always does miracles. And not only one, he does miracles and hundreds of thousand even. And even after the prayer festival, we send out our teams to those areas to recall different prayer, different, different testimonies, and praise God, not as it’s the glory of God. And is the Holy moving over there that we received thousands of testimonies after every prayer festival.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And tell me, what are some of the, the biggest miracles that you’ve seen? What, what really stands out in your memory of someone whose life was impacted?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I believe what is the biggest miracle for me is when even a single soul come to Jesus Christ, surprise God in our life. In this prayer festival, we have seen hundreds of thousands given their heart first time to Jesus Christ. Other than that, praise God. We have seen a woman. She bring a child in the per festival and she bring the child right away from the hospital. And the doctor has said that this child has died. But the lady she said to the doctor that I saw all living, God, I’m going to the professor will, I’m going to the meeting. And the pastors are going to pray for the child. And I am going to bring back the child to you and the hospital alive. And this is what happened. He went when the lady, when she entered into the prayer festival field, and God has healed his son, the dead child, the doctor said that says dead day, bring him back home, prepare all the things, do it so you can burn it, the chart. But the lady with the great fed bring that child to the prayer festival and has child Rosa get her child Rose again. And the lady bring back the child to the hospital to show the doctor that I told you that I saw while living God,
Speaker 1 (07:28):
What a tremendous testimony. The, the little child was dead, came back to life. And that’s just one of many thousands of miracles that you’ve seen. What are some of the other miracles that God’s done
Speaker 3 (07:44):
In the right in the prayer festival? The, the tumor had been disappeared. We have seen one, man. He came on, not one. We have seen many people that came on the wheelchairs, but after the professional, they go by walk to their homes. And we have seen many peoples that have been delivered by the devil. They have been set free from devil. They have been delivered. We have seen many people. God has restored their eyes side blind. We have seen blinders open. We have seen deaf ear open and we have seen people have been healed from hearts, problem, cancer tumor. Every problem is nothing in front of God. He can able to heal from even a single problem or a big or small. This thing doesn’t matter in front of our God.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Wow. In your ministry is reaching out to people with every possible method. So you have the home churches. You also have the large prayer festivals where tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people come to those. And you also have the television network that you’ve started. Tell me about the television network and what your vision is for us law. Do our version
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Is to win souls for Jesus Christ. And we want to even go for even a single soul as well, even a single soul matter for God. And so praise God, this thing does not matter to us that we are reaching to hundreds of thousands or rearranging to even a single soul. So praise the Lord. We are very thankful to God almighty for the social media and for the next generation, the technology. And we need to get onto those technology to reach every kind of people. So praise God, we are running a television called futsal television. It is in satellite. It’s called Asia, said seven satellite reaching more than 72 countries. Other than that, we are on IP TVs. We are on apps and reaching all around the world. And in Pakistan, we are on cable stations as well, reaching to the homes of the people. Some people they could not come to the church, but we are going right in their bedrooms and they are lessening the word of God and praise God daily. We are less than in many testimonies, how God is changing their lives, how God is doing miracles in their life by watching television.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Wow, that’s tremendous. Well, I’m so inspired by you. God has given you such great favor in the nation of Pakistan. In what you’re doing is historic. There are many places in the world that need Jesus, but it’s so beautiful to see what God is doing in Pakistan. God loves the people of Pakistan and Jesus loves the people of Pakistan. And I know that that God has a plan for your nation. God has a plan for the people of Pakistan. And I think it is so wonderful that the favor that you have seen, we have lots of friends who listen to our podcast, who may be someday, would like to come to Pakistan or even maybe be on television and Pakistan. Are there opportunities for people to come and preach the gospel?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yes. Praise the Lord. We invite all those who are lessening us, come and partner with us so that together we can build the kingdom of God together. We can expand the kingdom of God in the nation of Islamic Republic of Pakistan. And we will love to have you on our television network. You can search WW dot [inaudible] dot TV, and you can go to that website. You can see the television network. If you have any program teaching program, you are evangelists. You have passion to do the prayer festival. We would love to partner with you and we would love to work with you.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well, thank you so much for being on the Evangelism podcast today. God bless you.
Description: Evangelist Kevin Wagner was a pastor in Canada for ten years before he transitioned to being a full-time international evangelist. On today’s podcast he talks about the differences between being a pastor and being an evangelist.
Hear the story of a “hinge crusade” done by Reinhard Bonnke in Nigeria.
Kevin Wagner answers some important questions:
How many people have been baptized because of your crusades and how do you track these baptisms?
What are the differences between pastors and evangelists?
What is the difference between preaching to Canadians and preaching to people on the other side of the world?
Key Thoughts from Kevin Wagner:
Pastors minister to believers first, and evangelists minister to the lost first.
On the surface, people may look different, but people are really the same no matter where you go. They have many of the same hopes and dreams and problems and fears.
Daniel King (00:00):
Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. I am here with my friend, dr. Kevin Wagner today, and we’re actually a paradox. Did you know that I’m a doctor? I did my doctorate of ministry at oral Roberts university. And you’re a doctor. You did your doctorate of ministry at oral Roberts university. And so something could happen in the space time continuum right here with a paradox talking about evangelism. Welcome dr. Kevin. It’s great to be
Kevin Wagner (00:29):
Here. Dan evangelists, Daniel and dr. Daniel. Yeah.
Daniel King (00:32):
So dr. Kevin you’re an evangelist. How many years have you been doing full time evangelism?
Kevin Wagner (00:41):
Full time evangelism for 20 years now. Wow.
Daniel King (00:45):
And tell me, how did you become an evangelist?
Kevin Wagner (00:48):
Okay. So Jesus changed my life when I was 17 years old. From that point on, I really felt a call to full time ministry. And so I went to college university seminary and and was preparing to be, you know, a pastor and, and that’s what I was for 10 years. So I pastored and churches I’m originally, I am Canadian. And we originally, I am Canadian.
Daniel King (01:14):
And so that means you like hockey that’s right. You are sorry for everything. That’s right, exactly. What else? And you live in an igloo, something like that lived anyway,
Kevin Wagner (01:25):
I live in Tulsa now for 20 years, but for 10 years I pastored in Canada and some great churches. I loved pastoring and it took God almost a whole year of working on me and me praying and fasting along with my wife for months to determine that he eventually wanted me to transition out of full time pastoring and to full time evangelism. And so after pastoring, for those 10 years in Canada, then Jesus said, you know what, it’s time to take a, your soul winning heart to the nations. Because, you know, when I was pastoring, I was still, our church has always very event. Our churches were always very evangelistic. I was always leading or sending out mission teams and individuals out into the harvest fields, always you know, the front door of our church was, was, was always being used well by new believers, we did our best to close the back door so that they’d all stay. So it was all, all our churches were always soul-winning churches as part of my mission or my ministry mandate. But finally God said, you know what? You, you need to there’s the harvest is so plentiful out there that we need another labor full time in the harvest fields. And so after, like I said, almost a year of praying and fasting my, we didn’t fast the whole year, of course, but my wife
Daniel King (02:52):
All year long, that’d be, I met a guy one time. He said he fasted every day, every other day. He says I fast six months out of every year. Wow. Okay. That’s quite a testimony there. So you are fasting, you are praying and you felt like this transition from pastoring in Canada to going out on the harvest fields. And you mentioned that the tremendous need that that’s out there in the harvest field. What, what really motivated you to want to go out after Los soles and in different countries?
Kevin Wagner (03:28):
Well, you know, at this point dr. Daniel, it was around the turn of the century and it was when evangelist Reinhard bonky had been doing of course, many large crusades in the in least reach parts of the world for years. But this was a real time when God just really boosted his ministry forward. And I began seeing the incredible hunger for getting to know the one true God and the parts of the world that are least reached for Christ and Africa, North Africa in particular Asia and the middle East. And I looked into the, you know, at the Buddhist and the Hindu and the Muslim world, and I saw that the, the need was so great. You know, we have such a high percentage of, of full time ministry, people who are working in North America and in the rest of the world, there’s such a, a minuscule percentage of people doing the bulk of their ministry over there. And so I said, you know, I really felt, God’s saying you need to focus your attention in these last great days of harvest before I returned on trying to bring as many people into the kingdom as possible. And so, you know, the rest kind of his history, I, I ran with that mandate and went on a few crusades early on after I stopped pastoring with some other evangelists into the nations.
Daniel King (04:52):
One of Reinhard Bonnke’s crusades. Where did you go?
Kevin Wagner (04:55):
Yeah, I did. We w I went to the I was with a very small team of Canadians who accompanied him and his team into Benin city, Nigeria in 1999. And in that crusade, like, okay, so that crusade was what I, I, and I think the bunkie people to have called a hinge crusade, meaning that he had been taken out of Nigeria forbidden to come into Nigeria for several years before that, because the there was a change of government. They didn’t have the favor with the leaders that they needed, but this was the first crusade back into Nigeria after a number of years. And that first night of crusade meetings was there were 375,000 people that attended the very first night of six. And I remember the next morning at our, at our staff devotions, our team devotions Peter Vandenberg stood up in the, in the ms star group.
Kevin Wagner (05:51):
And he said, I want you to know this. He says, that was that first meeting was the three times size of the previous largest, first time, first day of the week meetings that we’ve ever had. Wow. And quite honestly, and then the rest of the week just took off from there. And so that crusade really preceded his large crusade in Lego. So millennium crusade, which is the largest crusade that, that he ever did. And also the you know, just the, the next decade or so of meeting after meeting and in Africa, that was just blow out in terms of numbers and salvations and harvest. And so that was kind of a real breakthrough event that God did. And we were part of that.
Daniel King (06:37):
You got to be there for that hinge crusade, what a tremendous privilege, and then that launched you out into your ministry. And so in the 20 years that you’ve been doing evangelism, what have been some of the fruits that you’ve seen?
Kevin Wagner (06:51):
Well, dr. Daniel, we have now preached over a hundred crusades in primarily Asia, Africa and the middle East, and by God’s grace, we have seen well over 2 million people indicating decisions for Christ. Most of them, first time decisions. Oh, that’s amazing. Well, it’s all up, it’s all Jesus, of course we give them all the credit. And it’s also, these are, these are people who really, for the most part, they’re in the Muslim, Buddhist and Hindu parts of the world, meaning that these are people who, until they attended our crusade, many of them had never seen it with their own eyes, a born again, Christian, before we go to crusade, we do our crusades very off the beaten track. I know just like many of the crusades that you do. And so, you know, we fly into a major city and in the country, but then we’ll drive for hours and hours or we’ll take an interior flight and then drive to places where they’ve never had meetings like this, or they haven’t had them for years.
Kevin Wagner (07:54):
And so you’ve got a whole generation of people in these places that have not, we might very well be the first born again, Christian that they’ve ever met. Wow. And they are have been hungering after a touch from the one true God for so long. And so the harvest, the people are just ripe and ready. Like Jesus says to commit their lives to him. And for his sake, the F the serving of other gods. The other thing that we enjoy doing so much is we enjoy tracking the the number of baptisms as much as we can with our crusade directors for up to one year after the crusade is done. And so how do you do that right after
Daniel King (08:36):
The crusade is done, you ask the, the local organizer to keep you updated with how many people are being baptized in the local churches.
Kevin Wagner (08:45):
Yeah, that’s right. You know, because I went into full time evangelism having been a pastor for a full decade. I had a real pastor’s heart going into it. And I was really intent on trying to do what we can to not just number the decisions that were made, but also to number in some ways, the best thing that we could track statistically in terms of who actually becomes a disciple. And in many of these countries where the cost of discipleship is great, we’re oppression and opposition, and even persecution, sometimes even martyrdom of believers is happening in these hostile nations to Christ. People getting baptized in these countries is the Mark. In many ways of people who really have taken their faith seriously
Daniel King (09:31):
Need to really follow Christ and are willing to sacrifice and pay the price,
Kevin Wagner (09:36):
Counted the cost, like you said, and they’ve decided they want to serve Jesus. And so I’m happy to say that we’ve had over 160,000 recorded baptisms after the crusade. We only tracked numbers up to one year. So the number of course would be significantly more than that too, when you take that into account. But suffice it to say that we work, like you said, with our crusade directors, they have an expectation when they do one of our crusades that we’re going to be looking to them for monthly or regular reports at the very least up to a year of the number of paths, people getting baptized, and how do they do that? Well, they of course have been working for a long time with the local pastors in those places. And so they keep in touch with them and they get reports from the local pastors
Daniel King (10:26):
About this. That’s a major praise report, 160,000 people baptized as a direct result of your crusades. What a, what a tremendous blessing that is. Now, let’s talk about the difference between being a pastor and being an evangelist. You were a pastor for many years, and in when you were a good pastor, you had the heart of a pastor and now you’re, you’re an evangelist. So you kind of see both worlds. And, and, and sometimes I find that pastors don’t really understand evangelists and sometimes evangelists don’t really understand that the needs of, of pastors. What would you say are some of the differences?
Kevin Wagner (11:07):
It’s a great question. And you know, I’m going to take us back dr. Danielle to a meeting actually at your home a number of years ago, when you invited a few of us over to sit at the feet of the great man of God and evangelist, TLS Borna, a real father figure to all of us who are evangelists today,
Daniel King (11:26):
That was a great event. What a privilege to be able to talk to TLR Osborne, and ask him questions.
Kevin Wagner (11:32):
It was incredible. And I remember TL sitting there and just, you know, pouring out his heart to us. And he made a distinction in that meeting that I’ve always remembered. He talked about the difference between preaching and teaching. And I I guess I knew that at the time, but the way he said it was so simple and so good. And I think that the difference between preaching and the difference of routine teaching is really the difference between a pastor and an evangelist, the subtle nuance. So here’s how it goes. Teaching is explaining and preaching is proclaiming.
Daniel King (12:09):
So teaching is explaining, you’re explaining something to your audience and then preaching is, is proclaiming. And there, I found that there is great power in the gospel when it is proclaimed. Absolutely. You know, as a PA, when I was pastoring for those 10 years, I remember getting upset
Kevin Wagner (12:32):
After Sunday, sometimes multiple time, many times, multiple times on Sundays and throughout the week. And what would I be doing? I’d be cracking the word of God open, and I’d be focusing on a scripture. And I would be you know, talking to people about
Daniel King (12:48):
About, you know, what the word of God meant for them
Kevin Wagner (12:51):
Verse by verse precept, by precept and, and just, you know, giving them the word of God and teaching it. And, you know, if it wasn’t in a Sunday morning setting or a Sunday preach, you know, pulpit setting, if it was in Bible slays, and he’d open it up for tea, for questions, you know, and people would ask questions about it, and then you’d take the time to examine those things. That’s primarily the work of a pastor. And so when you see an Ephesians four, the five fold ministry you see in the, in the Greek, when it says pastors and teachers, some of people have been appointed to be that that’s a hyphenated word as far as I’ve been taught. And that means that there’s a close relationship between pastors and teachers. Now, an evangelist is something a bit different. The evangelist is a different part of the five fold ministry and Ephesians four, that’s someone who, like you said, he proclaims, or she proclaims the word of God. That means that you speak the word of God with clarity and in truth, but it’s not something that you are going to be really expounding on the why so much as you preach as you, it’s rather you’re proclaiming the, what you’re proclaiming the certainty of what God says about someone’s need to be
Daniel King (14:11):
About the way to be saved about the way to be healed, the way to be
Kevin Wagner (14:15):
She delivered from demons, et cetera. And as you speak the certainty, and as you proclaim the certainty of the word of God that’s the Holy spirit lives in those words. And you and I have seen this together at certain crusades overseas, when you and I have been together. And, and of course alone, too, with other people that God just manifests himself in those words. And it’s so powerful,
Daniel King (14:42):
Builds faith in people to hear about Jesus, even the simplicity of the gospel to hear about how God became man grew up walked the dusty streets of Israel, performed miracles, and then died on the cross to pay the price for our sins and Rose from the dead. It’s a very simple message. It’s not super complicated. Pastors have to come up with new messages 52 weeks a year. And if they’re doing two services a week, that’s over a hundred sermons they have to come up with. But an evangelist often just preaches something very simple over and over and over again.
Kevin Wagner (15:22):
And evangelist, proclaims truth. A teacher, a pastor explains truth. You know, you see the differences in Jesus. I mean, he was both an evangelist and a pastor in his anointing among of course, many other things too. But you look at the sermon on the Mount. There was a huge crowd of people that Jesus was preaching to there and Matthew, and when he was giving the beatitudes, blessed are the poor, blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake. He was after each of the beatitudes, dr. Daniel. He wouldn’t say, now, if you have a question about this, raise your hand and I’d like to talk to you about that. No, he was proclaiming truth to multitudes of people. And the word of God lived in that. Now there were other times when privately or in smaller groups, he would teach his disciples. For example, you think in Mark four, with the parable of the soar, they did have questions about what that meant.
Kevin Wagner (16:15):
And so Jesus unpacked the meaning of that parable for them. So you see those differences. I think that’s, that’s for me been one of the things that, you know, I probably wrote more sermons I’m in fact, I’m I know I have, I’ve written more sermons in those 10 years of pastoring than I have in the 20 years of being an evangelist. In fact, I would say many more sure. You know, but that doesn’t negate the power or the, or the validity of this, of any of the sermons. They’re all powerful, but they’re meant to be preached in many ways to different audiences, primarily in evangelists as gearing his messages towards unbelievers first. Whereas pastors are typically gearing their messages to believers first.
Daniel King (17:02):
Now, talk to me about the, the different context of ministry. You were a pastor in Canada, and then you went to being an evangelist in Asia, in Africa, and it’s a very different context of ministry. What, what are some of the, the difference of going from preaching to Canadians to preach into people that maybe have never heard the gospel before?
Kevin Wagner (17:29):
You know, it’s a, it’s a fantastic question. Dr. Daniel, and I think just to preface it, I’ll say this, that the more I travel, particularly at a place where, to places that look very differently than they do in North America eat very different food, talk very different languages are very different weather. You know what? The more I travel, the more I realize that people are so much the same inside of people, the things that they desire, the things that they want are so much the same people have. Every person has guilt inside every person desires to know why they’re created, how they can be forgiven. Every mother wants their children to grow up happy and healthy and have good lives. Every father has a desire to know what his son or daughter is going to do with their lives. No matter where we go in the world, it seems like people, to me are more, the, the similarities greatly outweigh the differences. But I think that in terms of some of the ministry aspects of what’s going on in different parts of the world, here’s what I would say.
Daniel King (18:40):
I would say this,
Kevin Wagner (18:42):
That, first of all, you have to adjust how you speak over there. In other words, when you know me well. And so, you know, I’m a pretty lighthearted guy. I like to joke around and have a lot of fun. And, and even as a pastor, I would be, that’s the type, the type of way I preached often, but quickly I found out, I think on my very first crusade, I found out that jokes do not translate well,
Daniel King (19:08):
Humor is very difficult when you’re dealing with a different language and a different culture, and you try to tell a joke and sometimes it just falls flat.
Kevin Wagner (19:18):
Yeah. And so I have early on, I kind of left that whole part of me behind, and it also helps to here’s what happens over in these cultures because of course I only speak English fluently. And so I’m never speaking the language of over there, apart from a few words like greetings and, and praise the Lord and stuff. But I’m always working with an interpreter as I think you are too, for the most part. And when you’re working with an interpreter, you have to use just short segments of speech, maybe one phrase, maybe a couple of phrases, one sentence or two short patterns of thought, and then you have to stop and let the interpreter tell the people what you just said. What that does is it really helps preachers from chasing rabbit trails. I find, in other words, it keeps you very honest in making every word you say, count your words when you’re preaching in those settings need to be very direct very, to the point, you’re not going to be wasting words. You’re not going to be using colloquialisms that people in North America kind of understand, or even cliches for the most part, you’re going to be using very, very strict English that the interpreter can understand clearly. And then you’re going to just really, it keeps you from going off to places with rambling thoughts that sometimes happens in sermons when you’re kind of,
Daniel King (20:43):
Well, I think the difference is a pastor has people over a of time and is able to, to develop them to maturity has more time to be able to invest in them for an evangelist. You may really only have one chance because if someone is at the service tonight, they might not come tomorrow night. So this is your opportunity to share with them about Jesus and to challenge them, to accept Christ as, as their savior. And really the, the evangelists message, the whole point of it is to bring people to that point of decision, whether they are going to accept Christ or to walk away from him, that’s
Kevin Wagner (21:25):
A hundred percent right. And you know, here’s another change. I was just a difference. I was just talking to someone else about this this week and over there in these other countries, here’s what I’ve found. I’ve found that the denominational differences are quite blurred. In other words, because in these countries that were Christians or severe minority, in many cases, most of the countries that I go to the Christian population is, is 2% or less. And in many cases it’s a persecuted minority or an at least an oppressed minority. And so Christians may belong to different churches and denominations, but there, because of that reality in their lives, they don’t have the luxury, I guess, or maybe luxury isn’t even the right word, but they don’t really focus on the differences so much in doctrine. And so, for example, over here, you know, you have people who might believe that the gifts of the Holy spirit are for today.
Kevin Wagner (22:27):
Some people believe in speaking in tongues, some people don’t, some people believe that God still heals people supernaturally apart from medicine, even though we are very thankful for doctors and modern medicine but over there, there’s no I’ve never in 20 years come across anyone who’s talked to me negatively about praying for the sick or about casting out demons or about any sort of power encounters that we might have in those settings. And I think the reason is, is because whether you’re Methodist or Anglican or Catholic or Pentecostal or anything in between the people over there for the most part, what I’ve seen is they read their Bibles. They have a child like faith, not a childish faith, but a childlike faith that trusts what the word of God has to say implicitly. And when they read about Jesus doing these things, and Jesus says, you’re going to do the same things that I did, they think, okay, well, that makes sense to me. I can understand that and they get it. And that’s, that’s, I think a big difference there is that we don’t have, I haven’t, I have never had to spend time trying to justify the use of the gifts of the Holy spirit over in these settings. Even if I’m not in a Pentecostal church.
Daniel King (23:48):
And often the, the supernatural is very real. When you pray for demons to be cast out immediately, demons will will manifest. And that’s not to say we don’t have demons here in, in North America, but I think our demons here are more sophisticated demons and they, they hide. We still have lots of demons of pride and anger and all kinds of demonic issues in, in North America. But when you, you go to Africa, you feel very close to the supernatural. They, they, they believe in the supernatural because they see things happen supernaturally on a daily basis.
Kevin Wagner (24:30):
And that’s a really good point. You really need to have to be ready to to walk in the supernatural world. And I guess in the, both the, you know, the, the Holy spirit world and the demonic world, you don’t walk in the demonic world, but you have to be able, you need to be ready to take it on you know, full, full forward. You can’t be, you can’t shy away from it. And I learned from the start having been influenced by people, as I said before, rinerd bonky, TLR, Osborne. These men of God were very clear that, you know, when you go into these countries that have been dominated by demons by, by witchcraft, by witchdoctors by pagan religions, you need to understand that Satan has had a hold in these places for so many centuries that you’re walking into a mind field of demonic activity, like you said. And so we need to be ready to cast out those devils like Jesus did. We need to be ready to click, to declare victory over illness and disease that is haunted and plagued these people for so long. And if we’re not ready to do that in many times, these countries can become the graveyard of evangelists were excited, evangelists go there. But if they’re not walking in the power of God, they can come back very discouraged because the devil can chew them up and spit them out.
Daniel King (25:51):
Well, thank God for evangelists like you, that have not been chewed up by the devil, not in race, defeating the devil in countries all over the world. So dr. Kevin, thank you so much for joining us today. I love hearing your insights and your stories about what God is doing around the world. Thank you very much, dr. Daniel, God bless you. Thank you.
Many missionaries need a missionary agency to help them with administrative tasks so they can stay on the mission field leading people to the Lord. What should missionaries look for when they choose a missionary agency? How to missionary agencies help missionaries? On today’s episode, Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach, interviews Mike Martin about his missionary agency.
Website: Mike and Kay Martin – Laborers Together International – http://www.Ltin.org
On this Podcast, Mike Martin shares that Laborers Together International was established to help “ordinary” people do extraordinary things for God by giving them an opportunity to fulfill the Great Commission, as well as to help missionaries all over the world fulfill the call that is on their lives and ministries.
Mike Martin answers these questions:
Why use a missionary agency?
What does a missionary agency do to help missionaries?
Tell me about how you received a Macedonian call?
Daniel King (00:01): Many missionaries need a missionary agency to help them with administrative tasks that they can stay on the mission field, leading people to Jesus. So what should missionaries look for when they choose a mate missionary agency? Today? I have a very special guest Mike Martin he’s with laborers together international, and he has a missionary agency that serves missionaries and helps keep them on the mission field. Mr. Mike, thank you very much for joining us. Thank you. It’s good to be with you, sir. So tell me a little bit about labor’s together and what your purposes
Mike Martin (00:54):
Labors together is actually founded in based on first Corinthians three nine, which says we’re laborers together with God, our labors together in Christ. Well, we are laboring together with missionaries, so we’re there to be a support to them to help them. We are administrative office for missionaries. We handle their finances, all of their correspondence and we take care of everything they need here in the U S so that they’re, it takes the burden and the pressure off of them to remain there on the field, knowing it’s taken care of. And we are a five Oh one C three tax exempt organization.
Daniel King (01:35):
Okay. So your website says that labors together international was established to help ordinary people do extraordinary things for God, by giving them an opportunity to fulfill the great commission, as well as to help missionaries all over the world, to fulfill the call of God that’s on their lives and ministries. Can you explain to me a little bit what is a missionary agency and why should a missionary look for a missionary agency?
Mike Martin (02:03):
Generally speaking, what we have found anyway, is that when a missionary goes overseas, they either have their parents handle their finances or their local church, which is fine, but that a local church, that’s not their vision. The vision is to reach the people and our organization labors together, international or LTI. We are there. Our main focus is to help you, the missionary fulfill the call that’s on your life. And so lot of missionaries have their parents do it. And a lot of people want to have tax deductability. Parents cannot give that. And so with us, we’re able to do that. So one of the things that,
Daniel King (02:47):
So you send out tax receipts at the end of the year, you keep everything compliant with the IRS in the, the laws that govern a, not for profit organizations here in America. And so basically you’re enabling missionaries to stay on the field and to focus on their calling, leading people, to Jesus, building churches, whatever they’re called to do, and you handle some of the administrative side to make it happen. And so what are some of those administrative things that you do for missionaries? We help them
Mike Martin (03:23):
Take care of their finances. So people would send their donation to us. And based on the way I asked IRS, which they did something totally unheard of, they allow us to do certain things. Well, I go by the principle of you have not because you ask not. So if in a check, if people write a check and send it, they make the check payable to LTI and in the memo, which is typically not done, you write for the missionary, the, the name of the name of the missionary, and that money goes into a separate account. We have two major accounts, the ministry account, which is where we get our money partners, but then we established another account and waiting for each missionary. Well, yes, it’s, it’s we established account for, and we call it LTI, N which stands for labor together. International network money goes into that account. And then each missionary has an account underneath that account. So then we transfer electronically, transfer their money into their accounts. So it never goes to our personal, what we call operating. It goes into a total separate account.
Daniel King (04:37):
You are not spending the money on your own operating expenses. Now, how long does it take you to get the money to them? Does it take a month or two for the money to get there? Or how long before the missionary access is the money to be able to use it?
Mike Martin (04:50):
I make deposits every Wednesday, sometimes Thursday. And by the following Monday, they get their money. So it is immediately.
Daniel King (05:01):
So it can immediately go to the mission field and be put to work. As soon as someone gives a donation, then that’s tremendous. And then you’re also sending out newsletters. I know when, when I was young, my parents were missionaries in the nation of Mexico. We stuffed newsletters and we set them out like 2000 newsletters, every single month. That’s a lot of work. A us kids were slave labor. And so we would get our envelopes and we would stuff them, we get paper cuts and, and we’d complain about it. And my mom says, well you, you want to eat don’t you, you have to help stuff, the newsletters. And so you do that for missionaries.
Mike Martin (05:40):
That’s why I’m chuckling. We have what we call a newsletter stuffing party and the board, and some of our board members that live around this area in the Dallas Fort worth area. We’ll have them over to our house or to our office, one of the two, and we’ll spend the day doing that, but we take care of everything and we send out everything.
Daniel King (06:03):
You put a remittance envelope in the M in there, and people can also donate online or by credit card.
Mike Martin (06:11):
Yes. We had people who, who donate by credit card, online giving what we do is try to make giving to that missionary extremely easy and quick. And we do not hold their money. It is long enough in the bank to make sure checks or whatever it clears credit card get processed. And that immediately goes out.
Daniel King (06:33):
That is extremely valuable for keeping the missionary on the field. Now, now you have quite a few missionaries that you represent. What are some of the nations that you have missionaries in right now?
Mike Martin (06:43):
We have some in the Northern Europe. What we call Northern Europe is like in Finland and the Netherlands, then Europe, France, Germany, England. Then we have Eastern Europe, Bulgaria, Macedonia over into Mexico and then over in the Asian company, our companies, countries. And so it’s pretty much
Daniel King (07:12):
All all over the world. Yeah. Well, that’s, that’s tremendous. Now you, you just mentioned you have a missionary in, in Macedonia and in acts chapter 16, Paul received a Macedonian call in a vision. He saw a man of Macedonia who called him to come and help him. And so you told me you, you received a Macedonian call. Tell me about that.
Mike Martin (07:34):
Yeah, it was really funny. We got on my cell phone, I noticed this number was an international number and I thought, well, it’s gotta be one of our missionaries. I don’t recognize the number. So I answered, hello, this is Mike. And this man said, hi, my name is [inaudible]. I’m from Macedonia. Come help us. And I started laughing and I laughed and laughed and laughed. And he said, what are you laughing about? A suck out a Macedonian call. And I’m curious, how did you get my number? It’s fine. And he said, a friend of mine who knows you, that you’re helping in Bulgaria. I called him and ask him for some help. He said, I can’t help you. But Mike Martin can hear his, his phone number and gave me your phone number. I said, well, what kind of help do you need? So he told me he needs help. He gets support from the U S but he didn’t have a way to get it to him. And so we begin to explain what we do. And he said, I need help. And we’ve helped him, not just finances, but various things that we’ve done for them. It’s been amazing and we’ve made several trips to Macedonia and it’s powerful. What’s happened over time.
Daniel King (08:51):
Wow. That’s just one story from the missionaries that, that you support and help them to stay on the field. Mr. Mike, you’re doing extremely valuable work, keeping missionaries out there, telling people about Jesus. Thank you for being on the podcast. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it very much. God bless you.
Latin America contains over 652 million people and over twenty nations. What are the secrets of reaching people for Jesus in Latin America? On today’s podcast, crusade director Rigo Galvez talks with Evangelism Coach Daniel King about how to effectively communicate the Gospel throughout Central and South America.
The population of Latin America and the Caribbean is estimated at more than 652 million. Latin America includes more than twenty nations including: Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, Equador, Peru, Boliva, Chile, French Giana, Paraguay, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Haiti, and Puerto Rico.
On this podcast, Rigo Galvez answers the following questions:
Daniel King (00:01):
Well, I have a very special guest with me today. Regal Galvez. He is a crusade organizer who has organized crusades all over Latin America. Welcome to the podcast.
Rigo Galvez (00:14):
Thank you, Daniel. Thank you. Besides who say organizing, I will say I am hungry for souls. I want to see people coming to Christ every single day by one to one or by massive event, you have,
Daniel King (00:29):
Have a great heart for evangelism and for souls to be saved. Let’s talk a little bit about soul-winning in Latin America.
Rigo Galvez (00:38):
Well, right now as a, you know, Daniel, the through many years, we have been watching hundreds and thousands of people coming to cry to the two through crusades where the evangelists came get together with a group of pastors and they set up a budget and then they make a plan. And then they come into the end, after a long, a small process to a crusades and in a stadium and an open field, or sometime even in a big church that that I don’t consider him that an evangelistic crusade in a, in a big building and a person in a church, because sometime it just now is only the Christian people came to that event. And it’s not for new, new souls or new people. Anyway, I been watching that and that was so great for son many years, that was so good to see thousands and thousands of people receiving Christ. But for me personally, I believe that that that idea is that methadone has to change a little bit now in order to reach new believers.
Daniel King (02:02):
Let’s talk a little bit about soul-winning in Latin America. The population of Latin America in the Caribbean is estimated to be 652 million people. So it’s a huge harvest field. And so when you talk about Latin America, you’re talking about Spanish speaking countries and also Portuguese speaking countries, but you have the central American countries like Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua. And then you have also the, the South American countries like Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, France, Kiana, Paraguay, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay. And then you also have the Caribbean islands. So you have Cuba, you have the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Puerto Rico, and a few other small islands here and there. And so how many of those Latin American countries have you organized?
Rigo Galvez (03:06):
Almost an, every one of them
Daniel King (03:09):
And every single one. So you are an expert.
Rigo Galvez (03:12):
I don’t, I don’t know if you’re an expert, but I’ve been, like I say, by the grace of God, I had the privilege to go to those countries in not just for any event. I, I been leaving there. I been, I been even moving my family to too many those country. I remember the first time I went to Peru, that was in 1997 and I didn’t went to the capital city. I didn’t went to the nice and beautiful city. Like [inaudible] the last Blanca they call it. And Peru is, it really is amazing. And I went to the jungle, I went to the Amazon river through the Amazon. I lived there six months. We was building a little small churches and also digging Wells. That was a prior that we put in together in six months after those six months of being, working with the locals, there was not churches on those places. There was not a electrical system over there. There was a natural everything jungle. And but there was people inside the [inaudible] area where people would never hear the gospel. And we went there, we built in a little church and we brought the pastor, the preacher that we was training in any ketose period, not keto. Keto is equal. Iquitos is a, is an E.
Daniel King (04:39):
He does right there on the Amazon river, in the middle of the jungle of Peru, where I went with you
Rigo Galvez (04:46):
Came one time, right? Or many, I don’t know, many times or now, but anyway, right, there is a group of pastors that we now are good friends. And we, from those churches, we train his own leaders. And at the end of the six months, we brought like a 12 different pastors to the, to the entire region of the jungle or the Amazon in Peru because the Amazon river is so big, you know, cross all Brazils and all, all the other nations. And that is people living in that jungle. But that was my first experience went 1997, went to Peru and directly to the jungle. And we went salt. That was amazing in the end, after we dedicated those churches to, to the community, to the lore. And we did a little crusade in every single city for, I think the tour was for 12 days on boat and river bonds,
Daniel King (05:46):
River boats going up and down the Amazon river.
Rigo Galvez (05:48):
But if we were sleeping like a, you know, as sleeping on the boat and every day was coming out and another bill is preaching the gospel, bringing miracles with us medicine. And we did everything. You can imagine an Orlin to win souls for Christ. That was the first time. Now I will say there are still areas. No, you in the Amazon, you don’t think too much, only about a country. You have to think what zone, what area is needing more the gospel, because I will say Brazil is a ma is a big country, but there are some areas on the jungle that they are people waiting. They never hear the gospel, for example.
Daniel King (06:36):
Yeah. So as you visited all these different countries that, that speak Spanish, what would you say is the state of the body of Christ in Latin America right now?
Rigo Galvez (06:48):
Like I said, we’ll be, we’ll be by area, for example, central America, to talking about what Amala Honduras and Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama and dark country, I will say 50% of 55% of the population are Christian. Now, of course that is not counting with the Catholic church, you know? And but the majority, for example, in Guatemala, people say now the evangelical are 60% of the population. You know, that was not,
Daniel King (07:26):
That’s more Christian than America is
Rigo Galvez (07:29):
I think in Guatemala, in Guatemala. But I remember what am I only have like a 14, 15 million people, you know, okay.
Daniel King (07:36):
What about South America? It’s not the same in South America.
Rigo Galvez (07:39):
These a different, for example, you have more Christians in Brazil, down Peru, or Bolivia, Peru, Bolivia, there are bury religion and mixed in with the inkers arm, etiology, you know, and, and that make a more difficult. Anyway, I will say there are some countries that will say, have being the gospel penetrate better than other countries. They still needed a lot of help.
Daniel King (08:10):
So what would you say are the greatest spiritual needs where where’s the greatest spiritual need in Latin America? Okay.
Rigo Galvez (08:16):
I will say in everywhere where you see a lot of growth or the church, the band Jericho, I will say right now more than anything, they need training. They need discipleship because it’s amazing how people are hungry for the gospel. Since those crusades, you will see thousands of people coming to Christ. They get into the church, but through, they get out through, through the another door in the church, eh, I will say the biggest need right now, wherever is a church in Latin country is training leaders, making disciple. I will say that will be the main focus. And then you go to a area that is not like used to, it’s not like it used to be 60 years ago, but they need to hear the pure gospel. You know, they, they maybe doesn’t have a church. Like I say, in those areas, in those jungles and part of the Brazil, Colombia, and on the jungle a special day, because it’s so difficult to get there. They will need a AA event, a crusade to win people to Christ.
Daniel King (09:21):
So there are definitely places that are open and, and, and need to, to hear the, the very simple possible, yes. So what would you say are some of the challenges of doing evangelism in Latin America?
Rigo Galvez (09:34):
I will say one of the biggest mentality, the challenge would be the mentality that is so poor. There is like a, we don’t have the resources. We don’t, we don’t have the money. We don’t know it’s going to cost too much, but this is a mentality of poverty. It is a spirit that is controlling the nations and the UC natto, those natures are so rich, so beautiful, but the mindset is on the people. It’s like you, we don’t have the money. I will say that is something that we have to, to change, to do by the, by the power of the teaching or the word of God. We need to tell on these people is possible. Do you have the resource? You don’t have to wait all the time for somebody to come in for an oxide to bring the, all the resources you can do it. I will say that is one of the biggest challenge that we have mentality poverty mentality.
Daniel King (10:32):
So you train a lot of churches in doing evangelism and give them tools to go out and to share the gospel. What, what’s the best way to encourage that the churches in Latin America to be more evangelistic?
Rigo Galvez (10:49):
It’s a good question then. Yeah.
Daniel King (10:51):
Wow. Sometimes it’s hard. I know sometimes to challenge people, everyone is very comfortable and wants to just sit in the church and, and have a good prayer service, but to get out beyond the walls of the church, into the community and actually reaching lost people for Jesus,
Rigo Galvez (11:07):
You can imagine how, how good somebody feel I could after they get saved, because they never experienced that. They feel the realist and they feel so happy, but sometime they, they, that the masters is only about our salvation and nothing else. And eh, I will say as still the, the, the big transition that we have to do is changing our mindset because it’s coming from traditional from, from soul long, a goal, the, the root of our culture to be so poor. And and and and, and this is special. The church, you will see churches suffering with nothing because they don’t risk. They, they, they, life, I will say to believe for something new, I will say that is one of the biggest challenges, or course. I will say another big challenge in it is that sometime banker is God there, and they are only focused in their event.
Rigo Galvez (12:15):
They don’t, they don’t see the pastors like a disciple. I will say, if you go to those nation or you want to win soul, you want a multitude, but put your eyes on the pastors, what you can help them to think different to, to, to, to embrace the, the, the real kingdom of God to get out from the comfort zone. He becomes so comfort comfort with maybe 25 people, a hundred, 150 700 people, 1,005 thousand, 10,000, 30,000, like a missile in local church. It is dangerous to become so comfortable in what that number that you forgot. There is an entire world or side waiting for you. And I will say if somebody got to those nation, listen, please not only be focused on the multitude and the end of the event, trying to do something discipleship or help with some tool like a books or something, put it in their hand or the path to do a little training, get out of your comfort zone. Of course, if you say, pastor, I’m coming to help you to get out from your comfort zone, nobody will go and work with you. And you just have to say, pastor, I’m coming to help you. How can I help? How can I help you to, to re, to, to, to enlarge your you’re radio of influence? How can you grow in your church? Let’s work together. I will say that will really help a lot.
Daniel King (13:53):
I have lots of friends who are evangelists, and many of them are young, just getting started out, doing evangelism. And they, they call me and say, Daniel, can you find somebody who can help organize a crusade for me? And so my question is, what advice would you give to young evangelists who want to work in Spanish speaking nations? What, what would you say to them?
Rigo Galvez (14:19):
I would say first of all, trying to understand the Latin culture before you get there, if you can get a lot of information about the Latin culture would be good, even the language, you know you don’t have to learn in the halls, a Spanish language, but trying to understand a little bit, because that will help you to, to, to work when you get there. There is so many barriers and many different on culture, you know, and what are, what are some of the differences
Daniel King (14:52):
Between American culture or European culture and Latin American culture?
Rigo Galvez (14:57):
I will say for Excel, self-confidence you as a North American, for example, you have such a strong self confidence in our countries. That that is very weak. If you talk so straight to somebody, you gotta, we gotta be doing this. We have to change this. That can be offensive, offended, easily hurt. And then you heard that person,
Daniel King (15:20):
Then they disappeared.
Rigo Galvez (15:22):
There was laughing a little bit like everything is okay, but a, he is not happy if that happened, you’re in trouble because you’re not going to know why he’s not working. But I was like, that is something that is really very, very bare sensitive. Another thing I will say the way that the, the, we communicate these people still today, especially on the church, they don’t have this ability being development to be communicating right, and emails and answer right away. Your email is better. You call them right now, for example, all the majority of this pastor work through WhatsApp. Eh, they don’t, they don’t like to read the email. They don’t want to go to the computer or maybe they don’t have it, but they have WhatsApp. And then right into them, sending a little, a little note and keep talking to that way.
Daniel King (16:20):
We’ll be happy that I will say that that really can help. That’s great. What other advice would you give to an evangelist who comes to me?
Rigo Galvez (16:28):
I will say something that is not too typical trying to involving their wife, because in many ways the he’s alone and he doesn’t know what he’s missing. His, why will have be a lot of help in so many ways. The he doesn’t do more because his wife is no agree. He coming home with the idea, maybe there will be a duel and another amazing crusade, but his wife is not happy because she doesn’t know where he’s really doing. Before you say to all the pastors and Biden as a couple. If he, if they don’t come this way. Oh, no, no, no. We can. We got to do another meeting where your wife will be here in Baldwin, their wife that will really sate. I will say 60% of your budget.
Daniel King (17:16):
Wow. That’s tremendous. Well, what else, what other advice would you give to an Angela?
Rigo Galvez (17:22):
I would say also trying to, to work with the local leaders on the, on the city or on the community, go to the mayor office and presenting with the pastor. Don’t go by yourself, teach the pastor hall, how you communicate the vision of bringing the gospel to the city and to the mayor of the city or to the policeman. You tell him the policeman. I want you to be part of that. We need protection. They, with that excuse that they need to protect and they will be there. And they will hear the gospel and trying to, to establish a, a group of people who are the leaders of the community to become the, the, the, the, the, the group who were going to direct the crusade, you know, bring the pastor, bring the mayor, bring the policeman, Brenda, and the fire department, Brenda, any other leaders in the community, any time you go to the city, find the main path, but also find a niche. The rest of the leader of the civil leaders in the, the politician, they need to be close to us and learning how the kingdom of God function, that will be really big help.
Daniel King (18:37):
Wow. That’s tremendous. Now, sometimes when you do a meeting in Latin America,
Rigo Galvez (18:42):
Many people come, but everyone
Daniel King (18:44):
Who is there is already a church member. Yes.
Rigo Galvez (18:48):
How do you make sure
Daniel King (18:51):
That the, the event is also evangelistic and, and bringing in lost people to Jesus is is not easy right now because
Rigo Galvez (19:01):
Now, although this crusades they are not any longer a evangelistic crusade. There are church,
Daniel King (19:10):
It’s just a church gathering. They worship there.
Rigo Galvez (19:13):
We print an open play in an open meeting. Yeah. I will say, that’s why you have to find the rest of the leaders of the community as the mayor. When you got there, we are coming to do a event that is not just for the evangelical. I want to teach your people how to do better business. And all the people in your office start creating a meeting that in the end, you will call maybe a business meeting or political politician meeting. And you, what you will do is bring in the, the principle of the gospel and preach the gospel to those place. And that’s why now you are open door for people who doesn’t normally go to church to come into your event. And then you ask the mayor. I want you to come in to the, to the event, bring all your friends. Even sometime you can challenge him.
Rigo Galvez (20:14):
You can say, I will bring the gospel. I’m bringing the light. I’m bringing the platform. I’m bringing all the equipment that we need. I want you bring buses with people full of people. They know how to, to, to, to carry him people to do their event. They know how to do it. And and the pastor is with you. He will be happy because you are not doing buy and sell because it’s danger. When the pastor doesn’t understand what you are doing with the mayor, the pastor will start thinking, Oh, here’s another politician know. And he, even when you feel like this, pastor, maybe doesn’t understand everything. Don’t worry bringing him to those meetings that will help. And that’s the same with the policeman. There are many policemen, many farmers are those polymers that they normally doesn’t go to that church. And you got an Biden. I am bill. I am putting together free a conference chest for the politician, Jeff, for the business, people there is free for all of you. If you have a tool like a book from somebody, and you will say, I have a gift, a special gift, but you got to come. Don’t give it the book before they get there, because now they are not going to come to the event.
Daniel King (21:26):
Wow. There you go. [inaudible] Do it as Gran [inaudible] amigo. [inaudible].
Rigo Galvez (21:41):
Thank you, Daniel. I really appreciate this time. And again, thank you for the partnership, the friendship, you always adding value to my life. Thank you, Daniel. I admire you.
The women of Latin America face unique problems including the lack of self esteem, poverty, and lack of opportunity. What is the best way to reach them with the love of Jesus? On today’s episode, Gaby Galvez explains the best way to reach women in Latin America. She also talks about the unique ways a minister’s wife can support her husband in his calling.
The strength of the church in Latin America is often the women. They come to church every time the doors are open. It is important to tell women they are valuable and have value in the eyes of God. Women need to be given a voice.
On this edition of the Evangelism Podcast, Gaby answers questions like:
How do you balance being a wife, a mother, and a minister?
What priority should your children have in the life of a mother?
How do you as the wife of a minister support and help your husband?
What message moves the heart of the women of Latin America?
Do you get scared when you stand in front of 20,000 women who are looking to you for answers?
Key Verse: Joel 2:28 “It shall come to pass that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh…your daughters shall prophecy.”
Key Quote: Never allow the ministry go ahead of your children. Choose family first before ministry.
Today, I’m with a very special friend, ms. Gabby Galvez. She is from the nation of Honduras and she’s married to my very good friend, Rigo Galvez, who has helped me to organize crusades in Latin America for many years. And so Gabby is a powerful woman of God, and she really is a great passion in her heart for reaching women throughout all of Latin America. So ms. Gabby, thank you so much for being on the podcast today.
Gaby Galvez (00:34):
Thank you, dr. Daniel, for me, it’s a great privilege to be here. I really are exciting about this meeting, talking about passion, really how passionate our heart to the harvest and how God is Toro.
Now, as I’ve traveled throughout Latin America, I’ve noticed that the, the strength of the church in Latin America is often the women. Usually there is a male pastor, but when you have a service, all the people who are singing and dancing and playing the tambourines and, and who come to the prayer meetings, the all night prayer meetings, they’re the women. And so the, the women are really strongly used by God throughout Latin America. And also the women are very effective at reaching out to others through evangelism. And so in your ministry, you’re very big on training women that they have value in God’s eyes, that they are valuable and talking to them about how they can be empowered through the Holy spirit to reach people. So, so ms. Gabby gave me some of what God’s put on your heart for women.
Gaby Galvez (01:54):
Yes. One other thing really the Lord has been putting in my heart is how we can be a voice. We are really God’s voice inner earth. We have to be jumping into this new area sometimes as a women’s. I can tell you, we are very comfortable in home. I has been home all the time and waiting for so long in some way, you know how I can go out from that box. You know, Ang is spread really the gospel and traveling with my husband. We find down, you know, how are our learnings into the, every now the women’s?
And so you’re a wife and a mother. You’re also a powerful minister. How do you balance being a wife and mother with also being in the ministry?
Gaby Galvez (02:55):
Well, it’s a gray question always are in the process of the balance. But one of the thing that I really believe has been helping me is to have a very deep communion with the LER. You know, I don’t do many things. I do the important things saying has been to making many choice, like one day I remember I received an invitation to go into a women’s conference and they want me to go, I was ready to go. And I was looking for somebody to take care of all my kids. I love my mom. I love my mother. Love. I look for people who I know and nobody was ready. Nobody was how a time. And I say, I get to the, I remember this colors of my home. And I sit down there and I say, Lord, how you want me to do ministry? Because I am ready to do it. But it’s nobody who, who is helping my kids. And immediately the Holy spirit told me, never do the ministry going up in their head,
Never allow the ministry to go in front of the children, make the children your first priority,
Gaby Galvez (04:10):
First priority. And, and that was like a fresh water into my heart. And I say, okay, Lord, I would do it from that time. I remember, you know, choosing family first, before ministry.
There’s a verse in the book of Joel that has really impacted your life is in Joel two verse 28. It says, and it shall come to pass that I will pour out my spirit on all flesh. Your sons and daughters shall prophesy. Your old men shall dream dreams. Your young men shall see visions. Talk to me about that verse and, and what it means to you.
Gaby Galvez (04:55):
Yes, diverse for me is very inspiring. I believe really, as I told you before, we are a boys as a women, I remember going to a women’s conference and be so many women who come to me and say, look, I am a pastor wife, but I, I think just my husband came preach. I don’t believe I wanted, but I don’t believe that is for me. And I find many women’s, you know, fighting with the ideas when I believe really, you know, the Holy spirit inside of us and we need to live enough in now in this season, are people lifting their life out to VA boys, but in different ways, but the Lord wants us to speak his word and bringing hope to those in need women’s children’s and people who are waiting for us.
And so when you go and speak at a women’s conference, and I know you’ve spoken to two women, there’s been thousands and thousands of women at these women conferences. What is your, your message that you give to the women? Yes.
Gaby Galvez (06:09):
One of them matches is Alvaro. I really love to inspiring the women. You know, how they can become a more visionary, seen theirself, you know, her self esteem up, I believe for the last day, the Lord wants to use many women who, who want to think in God’s way trying to let them know that they are not down. They are not even up the man, but they can be, you know, a gray bustle in this generation to chain their generations. Also coming in with the kids, you know, with the childrens in his, you see women is very hustler inference over even the, the house in, in everyday teaching is going on. And then we have a self esteem down and then it’s me in a going to conquer, you know, that play where the Lord want us to take us in the way, doing the right decision, you know, for the family, for the children, same and to have a great perspective about the future, where it’s going, you know, the house and the family Parasso to have a the victory, not just to be in, in a box, but also to a spreader hands, you know, beside or humps and surrender.
Yes. Wow. You know, in the book of Genesis, it talks about how God has given women as a help meet to men. And boy, man sure do need a lot of help. And so your husband, Rigo is a man of great faith, but I think that when he’s standing in faith, he’s able to stand like that because you are a woman of great faith. Talk to me some about how you support your husband and how you encourage him and how you, you, you, you join your faith together to believe God for amazing things. Yes.
Gaby Galvez (08:26):
A 100 thing. I really, you know, the Lord Brown me all the time is praying for my husband, praying for my family, taking a quality time. But no, I want to tell you, dr. Daniel is not a religious prayer as like I has to do. That is a really desire to be there, you know, in God’s presence. And their moment know when I am praying sometimes even I am not praying exactly just for healing or for my family. I just, you know, be there in his, pressing a no hearing and delay me in healing in the moment. You know, I believe the Holy spirit show me things about, you know my husband of our future and say things like I believe what the Bible say. He would show us the secrets, you know, and then we can pray more boldness with a lot of boldness.
Gaby Galvez (09:30):
I remember those times where my husband is in another country, I am in my country with the kids. And that moment, the Lord brought me into prayer. I am praying right now. And I am taking a picture. What is going on with my husband in another country? I made some phone calls or I sent a text to him and he read the text and he say, wow, this is going on right now. You, you can keep praying. You know, it’s kind of like he’s in another country, but we are really connecting in the spirit. I believe every evangelist, everything we do for the Lord has to be bullying on prayer, but NOI prayer, like many people say, okay, let’s do this step of prayer. Step number one, step number two, step number three. And then they get boring. But as, so we get that prayer like that really or alive for, and really, you know, what we really want to do. The Loris started doing his job, the secret, really
Talk to me about your children. Tell me about your children and tell me what you’re doing to train your children up in the Lord.
Gaby Galvez (10:43):
Yes. I have a passion really for my children’s. I always say they are the extension,
They’re the extension. Your, your children are your extension
Gaby Galvez (10:57):
Extinction and does extension has to be even better than us. We have a three childrens are seeing I get praying it. I knew, you know, the Lord has been charging me because when I get pregnant of grace, the oldest child, you know, and I see how my belly was growing and everything. I just think about it, how the Lord controls the baby in me, you know, because in that moment in a probably I wasn’t ready for a baby, but the Lord trusting me and I take the challenge in, you know, the good challenge. I will say that training my kids into God’s word from the very beginning, I has been very jealous. What they hear, what they see with that’s around him. You know, I’m not trying just to make something like I know one day go away with people around, but I am building, I am helping to build something in the spiritual area in their life, and I need to be very jealous.
Gaby Galvez (12:11):
You know, I’m very careful with them. They has been some training about how to read the Bible. No, just as a book, but also get get I would say a revelation, what they are reading. I has been able to create a environment in my home that they just know knowing about God, but they experienced God in our home. That’s make a big difference. They can go and pray by themselves and they can come and say, Hey mom, I hear clearly duller Watson speaking that to my heart. And he say this and that, and that is wonderful. When I see the calming and say, mom, I got a dream. Tassie’s fishing mom. The Lord has been showing me this, this like a Daniel. Daniel is very well, you know, with Bishop and he all the time come mom, the Lord say to me that you will have a baby. Do you have another baby? I say, Danny, I finished grace and you are enough. And I say, well, but the Lord say that I was away for that two years later, I got pregnant. And he said,
So God’s revealed it to your son before you even knew about it.
Gaby Galvez (13:35):
Yes. Yeah. The Lord revealed to my son and he say, and he will be a boy that how he say, and I said, well, we will see. And then the Lord, two years later, I have a boy. I never think I’m going to be praying after 10 years. You know,
I know, I know that you’re a woman of prayer and in God speaks to you. So, so what has God been speaking to you recently
Gaby Galvez (14:03):
Has been in speaking to me to be a voice,
To be a voice
Gaby Galvez (14:08):
Your voice are with tell you, I know really altcoin as people, you know, are very good at TV stations, radio thing like that. But I believe, you know, when we have a time for the Lord, when we pray in, we are full of the word of God. We just need to be in that stage, in that play with the Lord. Just want to flow one of the characteristics that I believe I am not really a public, I would say like, I really like to be in public, talk on videos on TBS. So I really don’t like I really, the work behind the scenes. That’s what I really like. Even when I do things in my home so that I don’t do things just in front of my husband or in front of my kids, I do a stuff behind them because I enjoy him between God and me.
Gaby Galvez (15:08):
But I, the Lord has been putting me in a play where he say, I will use you in now with rise your boys, because I need for the last time, you know, people who are really, you know want me to, to be, you want me to flow through dang, I would do it. I remember the first conference I have in my life. It was from song Americans coming to that was in Columbia. I remember doing a crusade over there and there were ladies coming from America to preach, but there they were missing Wang and they say, Gavi wants you to preach here. And I say, well, I am not ready. And they say, no, you, you ready? You can do it. Okay. I will do it. I take the step. That was my first conference was 20,000 womens in that Coliseum.
So your first conference, there are 20,000 people listening.
Gaby Galvez (16:13):
I was there and I say, Holy spirit, I will do whatever you want me to do. And you know what? I start educating my ear. The Lord was talking to my ear and I was telling the people like I was God’s voice in a moment and releasing what the Lord wants me to do. And that moment, when I feel really that pressing on the Holy spirit, God in my life, I see many women, you know, I hear a women crying in the back and I see another woman crying in the healer. And I, I start talking and talking and preaching, you know, and was a pick a outing and the Holy spirit taking the, you know, all those women around the Coliseum. It made me think Laura, how it happened, because I never want to think I’m going to be in front of many people, you know, but I took the decision and I say, yes, I will do it. You know, always when we say yes to the Lord, he come in Gregoire his word,
When you say yes to the Lord, he comes and honors his word. What a tremendous word from the Lord. Well, we have many women who listen to the podcast. I want you to pray for those women, pray that the Holy spirit would be upon them and that they would be used mightily for his kingdom. So pray for our listeners who are women,
Gaby Galvez (17:39):
I would pray, but really I believe more what I can pray. I believe that you gotta do a actual, that is where really the owner wants us to do. Sometime we are waiting and waiting and waiting and seeing others and believing in others, but don’t believe in ourself. But really this is the time that we will be even walking and praying because sometimes we as a church or we as a women’s in some way, women’s pray. I believe in some way, women’s go around the corner of their bed and say, Lord, help me with this. Or help me with my husband. Oh, help me with my children in some way, even they are not Christian at all, but they know there is God, but the Lord is calling us for this system to work, praying what Kim praying I would call that beaker for several years.
Gaby Galvez (18:40):
Then yet we had been in the back praying and praying and praying and nothing happened. I know many, women’s wonderful. Women’s power for women. When you talk to them, they’re, you know, amazing in impressible, but they has been chatting a room praying, you know, and they say, I am waiting for the manifestation of the Lord coming here. I am waiting for the time that law we expose me. I, now the Lord is saying, expose yourself. And that would be my prayer. That will be your prayer, you know? And then I would pray. But I believe for this system, we need to step out and walk together in prayer father in the name of Jesus, I believe for degeneration. Thank you for make us a boys where we can speak you revelation, where you hasn’t been giving into our heart. Thank you for the 19, for the power, for the healing, for the changing or mindset and giving hope and giving all the, every women’s in the nation’s need.
Gaby Galvez (20:00):
Thank you Lord, because you’re a grip father and you’re so sensitive, sensitive, Holy spirit for your anointing. Every women to believe in theirself, in lift their heart to you, but also they can walk through any circumstance. They can walk lore through the adversity and they can conquer, or because we are your child. Thank you Jesus, for the Holy spirit. And I think every women, wherever they are in, I believe LER. I believe like Joel, two 24 say that you will rise. Does daughters to be a boys in this generations. Thank you, Jesus. I believe the Holy spirit would take them and to show them that future and to release the vision that you has been already putting in their heart. Thank you for a great harvest. Thank you for a great annuity, but also thank you for live for boys in this or
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Jesus’ name. Amen. Amen.
Can a nation be changed in a day? The evidence from OneNationOneDay in Honduras suggests that the answer is a resounding, “Yes!” On this podcast, Rigo Galvez shares the genesis of how an entire nation can be saved in one day.
In 2013 a nationwide event in Honduras was held called “One Nation, One Day.” It was inspired by Isaiah 66:8, “Can a nation be saved in a day? Can a country be brought forth in a moment?” Eighteen evangelists joined together to conduct eighteen Jesus festivals in the capital of every state in Honduras.
At Daniel King’s crusade in Copan there were about 30,000 people at the crusade and 1,285 new believers filled out decision cards.
Our Copan team had an amazing week of ministry. Just the team of 100 people in my state ministered in 64 schools to over 20,000 students.
Daniel King gave away 520,000 books. Across the nation of Honduras, they were given to people who decided to follow Jesus!
Over 2,000 missionaries flooded the nation to demonstrate the love of God in tangible ways through medical brigades and food distribution. The outreach was featured on the front-page of every newspaper in Honduras as the nation turned toward God. Together the team of 2,000 missionaries ministered face to face to over 1.2 millions students.
The city of San Pedro Sula has been known as “the murder capital of the world” for the past several years. The city has been plagued by drug and gang related violence. Since the recent invasion of missionaries, homicide in the city has gone down by 60%. Suicide dropped by 15%. According to the FAO, extreme poverty in Honduras has dropped by 3.4%. In the past few months, several notorious drug dealers in Honduras have been apprehended and sent to the United States to face trial. Corrupt politicians have been thrown into jail.
Previously the teachers of Honduras have frequently gone on strike. But a year after 1N1D, all the schools in Honduras completed the entire school year without any teachers going on strike. This was the first time in twenty-five years that school children in Honduras have received a full two hundred days of education.
The church has been unified and pastors from different denominations are working together. Recently, I preached for Misael Argeñal, the pastor of La Cosecha, the largest church in Honduras. He says, “For many years the pastors of Honduras have prayed for our nation. We are so happy to see the nation of Honduras turn toward God.”
On October 25, 2104, Juan Orlando Hernández, the president of Honduras and his wife knelt down publicly and prayed for the nation. This is the first time in history that a president of Honduras has humbled himself before the nation and cried out for God’s blessing to be upon his people. For over two hundred years, the United States of America has experienced prosperity because of the prayers of our first president George Washington who frequently declared days of fasting and prayer for the entire nation. In the same way, the prayers of the president of Honduras will bring the favor and blessing of God upon his nation.
Key Verse: Isaiah 45:1-7
“This is what the Lord says to his anointed,
to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of
to subdue nations before him
and to strip kings of their armor,
to open doors before him
so that gates will not be shut:
I will go before you
and will level the mountains[a];
I will break down gates of bronze
and cut through bars of iron.
I will give you hidden treasures,
riches stored in secret places,
so that you may know that I am the Lord,
the God of Israel, who summons you by name.
For the sake of Jacob my servant,
of Israel my chosen,
I summon you by name
and bestow on you a title of honor,
though you do not acknowledge me.
I am the Lord, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God.
I will strengthen you,
though you have not acknowledged me,
so that from the rising of the sun
to the place of its setting
people may know there is none besides me.
I am the Lord, and there is no other.
I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.
Daniel King (00:01):
Well, I’m here with a very special guest. My friend, Rigo Galvez. He is a crusade organizer who is from the nation of Honduras, and he has organized some of the largest evangelistic events that have taken place in all of history. And so Rigo, thank you so much for being here with me today.
Rigo Galvez (00:24):
Thank you Daniel, for inviting me to be with you. And I know that we’re going to have fun. This is going to be something very special.
Daniel King (00:32):
Now, what I want to talk about is one nation. One day in the nation of Honduras, it happened in 2013 and it was a tremendous outreach that really impacted the, the entire nation of Honduras.
Rigo Galvez (00:47):
1Nation1day has been the greatest event that ever take place, not only in Honduras, but all also on the globe, because what God did it is like we say unique, God, trust a dream in us. And we make that thing happen because his grace and his love for that nation. So
Daniel King (01:07):
In Isaiah 66, verse eight, it says, can a nation be saved in a day? Can a country be brought forth in a moment? Okay.
Rigo Galvez (01:17):
And now we say Daniel, after four nation, we say, yes, that can be possible.
Daniel King (01:21):
3000 years ago, the prophet Isaiah gave this prophecy looking into the future and asking the question, can a nation be saved in just one day? Yeah.
Rigo Galvez (01:32):
Can you make a little, a special announcement right now for everybody who has listened to us? That’s the question. Can a nation be saved in a day?
Daniel King (01:44):
All right, here comes the announcement [inaudible] yes. The prophecy has been fulfilled. A nation can be saved in just one day. Wow. Well, the first one nation one day was held in the nation of Honduras. 18 evangelists joined together to conduct 18 festivals in the capital of every single district.
Rigo Galvez (02:10):
A little more specific air court Hondura has 18 different States or department, you know, and we put an a and an evangelist and each capital city of each,
Daniel King (02:25):
But in my own state, they called yarrow. We did two series
Rigo Galvez (02:30):
Because I was thinking in total, what really 19 different evangelism,
Daniel King (02:36):
Same time that whole nature came to the stadiums. Yeah. And I remember I participated in my city. My city was copilot boundriness. Yeah. In the event that happened in Copan was just amazing. We had over 30,000 people that came to the crusade. We had 1,285 people that out decision cards. I remember we had a hundred team members of young people on that trip. And we had an amazing week of ministry, just my team of a hundred people ministered in 64 schools to over 20,000 students. And I remember that together, the 2000 missionaries that were there, ministered face-to-face to more than 1.2 million students in the nation of Honduras and another cool thing that happened. I had the privilege of giving away my book that I wrote for new believers through it was called a welcome to the kingdom. [inaudible] Alana waver, Honduras
Rigo Galvez (03:41):
That’s because we call one nature one day, the new Honduras, even the actual present right now, one Orlando Hernandez, anytime that he are open a new things in Honduras or fixing something, he say, this is happening because we are in the new Honduras. We are prophesied through the, through all of these event that we are going to have a new country. And even the politicians and many different people who are not Christians. And that time they, they now are talking about the new Honduras. Wow. And though
Daniel King (04:18):
Books that we printed, we printed 520,000 books or half a million books. And those books were put in the hands of all of the people that got that week. I remember you organize it. We had stacks of books that went out all over Honduras to all the cities. And so that when the people got saved, the counselors came, they gave them the book. And in the back of the book, we had a decision causation, the counselor helped to fill out the decision card. And then there was one copy for the person. And then they would rip out the other copy that we could give to the local church so that they could follow up on the neutralino.
Rigo Galvez (04:53):
I remember very well that the cover of the book look almost like a passport because people was coming to the keynote gap, but also in the practical way to the new Honduras. And I was like, you are the new citizen of Honduras. That was a really,
Daniel King (05:10):
And then in the front change of the book, we also put the picture of the proclamation from the government. Exactly. Numbing us to come preach the gospel. That was a huge miracle
Rigo Galvez (05:23):
Happen. Daniel. That was a request from us. The, when we went to the present officer before one nation one day, or course two years before, because took for us to organize that two years to work because never happened before we didn’t have a picture. We didn’t have a clear idea how this is going to be from history. We haven’t chose a vision in our heart. And we went and we talked to the president, mr. President, we would like to do one nation one day in going to look this way. And we painted the picture. How many people will come in for an outside of Honduras to help us, how many medical outreach, how many books would be distributing, how we’re going to help the schools and how many containers of help we come into the nation, but I will need this. And we are one thing we say, mr.
Rigo Galvez (06:18):
President King, can you pass a low on the Congress saying that you lied 2013? We are going to, as a Honduran, people would be United as a one family. So you ask the president to pass a law in Congress who celebrate the one nation one day, July, 2013. Wow. That was the re the request. And then we say, mr. President, we need all these soccer stadium. Remember in our countries to talk about our stadium, you are going to use the grass. And first of all, that, that place is expensive. You know, they don’t give it to you, those places free. And then they take care of so much to the, the grass, please. That is just for, to play soccer, the grass, please. Oh, no, no, don’t do that. Don’t, you’re destroying the Holy ground, you know, anyway. And and, and only a stadium, but any spore facility that we will need it.
Rigo Galvez (07:20):
And that was one part of the request also to get into the country easily containers will help, you know, open, open con doors on the, on the poor and poor people who were coming for an oxide also to, to be flexible and help the people who are coming. Remember Honduras during those days, Daniel, I don’t know if you remember, was considering especial some Pedro Sula that the murder capital of the world, the water and more people were dying in San Pedro Sula every single day than any other city in the world. He was saying all the time is so dangerous to come to Honduras. And if you remember, the, the governor of United States make a letter or a informed to the, to the community, even the embassy in a United States, 800, do not allow not America to come 200, because I saw how dangerous that was.
Rigo Galvez (08:29):
That was difficult to dealing with because the, the policeman was so corrupt. You know, you were sometime you, you didn’t know who you was talking to the right policeman or to the wrong policeman because everybody looked the same. And then the, the military the same. But we put in a request, we were thinking it’s better to be close to those people are not too far away because you don’t know what they are doing. And we say to the president, we need the help from the military whole military system in Hondura has to work and help to may happen one nation one day. And they end the end. Danielle, you know, they say, yes, they pass the law. And I still have in song sauna papers about that. And that was really a miracle,
Daniel King (09:14):
A miracle opening up the door for the team to minister, to the military and to, to the police. I remember in our city, we went and ministered at each of the police stations in the city. And it was in the early morning before they would go out to do their duties. They would have their morning assembly. And so we went and we got to preach to all the policemen and we gave an altar call. Many of them got saved. And then I remember we went to the military base in Copan and they gathered all the soldiers together in one room. And I got to present the gospel to them. And then I gave the altar call. And I said, if you want to receive Jesus today, I want you to lift your hand in the air. And the commander was sitting on the front row.
Daniel King (10:06):
He lifted his hand. And when he lifted his hand, every soldier lifted their hand. And I thought, maybe they don’t really understand what I’m saying. They’re just doing it because they’re imitating the commander. So I gave the entire gospel a second time. Jesus died on the cross. He Rose from the dead. If you call on Jesus, you can be saved. I presented the whole thing. And I said, now today, I want you to make a decision. I don’t want you to do this because someone else does it, or because your commander does it. This is just between you and God. If you want to give your life to Jesus right now, I want to invite you to stand in your feet. And the commander, he stood up straight to his feet, and then every soldier in the rules stood to his feet. And they all prayed with me to receive Jesus every single one. Yeah.
Rigo Galvez (10:54):
And that happened all over the country. You know, whatever, there was a military Daisy, they, they, they w according to the law, they had to participate to be part of the the big event. And, but our people were hungry. You can, you can say that almost anybody wasn’t an desperation plate. And when you brought the gospel and bring the, the, the good news people was receiving very well, that was a very special day for Honduras.
Daniel King (11:22):
We saw hope. We saw,
Rigo Galvez (11:24):
Ah, God loving the nation and the stadium, you know, the stadiums and the majority the same. We’re so small, for example, in the capital C that they will say, Galper the biggest, biggest stadium was pack in more than 40 times.
Daniel King (11:39):
People couldn’t get it
Rigo Galvez (11:41):
In for security reason. You know, this saying San Pedro Sula dollar, the big cities, even in Europe, when we don’t even have a, a very nicest stadium that was an open fee, or like maybe five fields together. And one of the preacher get there. He already been in different nation in a big stadium. When he get there, he said, well, this, this play, I don’t know if it’s too big. I don’t know if they see it, it’s too small. But the, the, the, the that testimony was so amazing. They almost, everybody left home alone and they came to the vent. That was amazing, you know? Wow. Yeah. So, so many stories,
Daniel King (12:23):
What a tremendous miracle God did for the entire nation of Honduras to, to hear the gospel in one day. But let’s talk a little bit about the, how this idea came to be, how this vision came to pass in how God put it in your heart.
Rigo Galvez (12:41):
Well you know, me, I’ve been involved in and doing, I was involved in doing massive crusades. For many years, I learned in frontier loss war a lot. And I think one of the par that, that really he passed to me, or even when he didn’t preach and directly to me, or praying all over me, but, and the way he was acting and lobbying people w the passion that he was carrying to say
Daniel King (13:16):
Sold that CLR Osborne, the great missionary evangelist.
Rigo Galvez (13:22):
He really impact my heart, my life, and to solve big that never allow me to think different when I see people, you know, and then being with my friend scene or the saying, you know, he was so close to, to TL and I was going to different nation, organizing their events. And and that I was praying one day in my little office and [inaudible] came to my heart. That was so clear, a Isaiah chapter 45…
Daniel King (13:59):
Isaiah chapter 45. That’s the passage about Cyrus Cyrus, the King, the King is prophesied to, to impact nations.
Rigo Galvez (14:08):
It was a little crazy because the Holy spirit told me, I don’t know. And during those day, I couldn’t understand everything in my hair, but he say, remove the word Cyrus and put the name Rigo.
Daniel King (14:22):
So, so God told you, take out the names Cyrus from those prophecies and put your name Rigo into it. Okay. Let me read Isaiah 45, verse one
Rigo Galvez (14:33):
To the seven to the chap, to the
Daniel King (14:35):
Verses one through seven. Yeah. Okay. Let me read the first verse of Isaiah 45, please. Verse one for, and I’m going to put your name in it
Rigo Galvez (14:43):
For you or listen right now. Get a Bible for you can and put your name there. Don’t put my name. Don’t put the name of the kin. Put your name over there. Something special going to happen right now, Daniel, I feel, or I can tell, I feel the presence of God, and we’ll go into transfer there’s a night and know I didn’t to everyone who are listening right now, get ready.
Daniel King (15:08):
Thus sayeth the Lord to his anointed, to Rigo.
Rigo Galvez (15:13):
Yes. To Daniel, to Daniel.
Daniel King (15:15):
Do you who are listening exactly whose right hand? I have held to subdue nations before him to loose the armor of Kings to open before him the double doors so that the Gates will not be shut. I will go before you and make the crooked places straight. I will break in pieces, the Gates of bronze and cut the bars of iron. I will give you the treasures of darkness and hidden riches of secret places that you may know that I, the Lord who call you by your name in the God of Israel for Jacob, for my servant sake in Israel, my elect I’ve even called you by your name. I’ve named you though. You have not known me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, there is no God besides me. I will. Gurge you though. You have not known me that they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting, that there is none besides me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, I formed the light and create darkness. I make peace and create calamities. I, the Lord do these things. So I think the amazing thing here in this passage, it says two to Cyrus. I will subdue nations before him. So what did that mean to you?
Rigo Galvez (16:26):
Well, I, I was happy watching how [inaudible] Sally been a lot of thousand of people in a one crew say in one city in one city and is, I will say in a small location comparing to one nation, but all we was carrying this idea. Why not that rather than think just in one city, think about the whole nation, but that mean you have to impact the whole country to come in or to be able to preach the gospel. And then another character that was so clear to me during those days, that before we did one nature, one day was Psalms, Psalms two eight asked me, and I will give it to you, the nations. And I always prayed, Lord, give me the idea, how can we reach one nature at the time? And, and I prayed and I’m prayed for so many years. We were doing crusade, our satisfies and so many crusade, but at the same time, deeply my heart, this is not what the Lord is really looking for.
Rigo Galvez (17:41):
You. We got to talk to the president of a nation and not just the pastor. One thing is to work only with the, with the church. But another thing is to work with the political leaders who are responsible for the cities and for the nation, you know, or the health, policemen, or military. And I, I always carrying that fire in my heart. And and one day I remember, I will say Daniel, I give up about the normal crusade in my, in my opinion, in my personal way to think in my brain. I, I get, I will say somebody can say born out. I was discouraged. Just curious, because we was spending such a big money. And, and then so many pastors, they are already tired. They don’t want to, they don’t want to do a Knoll. All the crusade, they become, eh, rather than be good friends, they become enemies.
Rigo Galvez (18:48):
And I was not really satisfied. I like it. This is something is not going well. And I told my wife for me, crusades are over these or no. Yeah. You almost gave up. Exactly. I, in my, in my opinion, I gave up well and my wife, praise, praise God for my wife. She say, maybe you are you have something in your heart. And I say, no, your wife has a wise woman of God. I say, no, I am okay, no check you heart. And I say, honey, we’re going to be members of our church, the local church. We’re going to pay your tie. We are going to give, offering. We are going to help our children to become ministries. But me, I did enough. This is over anyway. I don’t want to make the long story, you know, the whole, the whole chill today.
Rigo Galvez (19:42):
But my wife say take some time to fast and pray, make sure that your car is correctly. And I say, okay, I will do one week. And I was fasting and praying for one week and nothing happened. Then I was the same person. I, I was a little except with the Lord. And I say, I care in this idea that we’ll be one country and looking what is going on. I don’t want to do nothing else, nothing more about this crusade. And I trying to forget the dream that God gives it to me, you know, year like a 10, 15 years before. And, but when in the end of those seven day, I feel like I really need to be clean from whatever bad experience I went to the 21 and I was praying and I start feeling very good in the end of the 21 day to the point that I think, wow, forget about crusade for gout, forget about everything.
Rigo Galvez (20:51):
I just need to be in the presence of the Lord. And I say, I told my wife, I want to fail last for 40 days because it is all good. And I remember after the 30 day, the Lord has started [inaudible] he will do something new an, the entire world. And he didn’t ask, he didn’t ask me that I will be part of that. He didn’t talk about to me in that moment. I just get excited for what he will do. And because it’s something new is coming, I was not even thinking about the one crusade to impact the whole nation in that moment. I just feel so fresh at, I feel so good and he’s present and I get to the 40, and I feel like I, I have I, but ruin too fast, a little more. And now my wife, at that moment, she would become a little scared because I was so, so skinning.
Rigo Galvez (21:45):
And, and, and she was a little nervous, you know, and the physical perspective. And anyway, I remember getting into the fifties because I knew that we’ll pray. I will go to the 50 day. I, I was, I think, at the 47 days. Wow. Yeah. Not even Jesus did 47 days. During those days, I was trying to drink a little bit on juice because I knew that I would come in and out and I knew him. It has to be very, very wisely and the way I will come out from the class and get an into the normal life. And, but I get why nice. So a week that I was in my physical body, I was dying, but in the spirit, I was so strong that I was so excited. I saw my flesh getting Greek and in my spirit source turn.
Rigo Galvez (22:42):
And I was a very unique feeling because I know the guy was taking care of everything. God, I know I’m going to die. My body was dying, but I knew that I had not died. And I just knew, and that will be those hours. And I remember two o’clock in the morning, maybe two 30 God present came. And then I don’t talk too much about this because some people can be making another, another way too sick. And God is no, my idea today, that was so personnel don’t be crazy. You know? And, and, and he, he, he, he did a ceremony. He remind me the nation waiting. Wow. He gave it to me and that ceremony a Reen. And he talking about the covenant that he has with us. And it’s so alive. And then that sermon and they put him the rain to me, remember my covenant.
Rigo Galvez (23:44):
I am with you all the time. I am a, I am a, I’m exciting for nations. Not just, I love one soul, of course, but God is looking for the entire nation to come into to his presence, to surrender to him, looking for somebody who are willing to take my Kingdom to the entire nation. And I saw Daniel. Dave was amazing. I was walking and I, there was this like a red carpet. And that was a multitude of people in one side and another multitude of people, all of them like, look like a soldiers or military from the high rank to the small to far away and all day there was say it well done. Well done. Well done was getting closer to the, to the, to the, to the king of kings, you know? And,uand then there was given to me that, and, and then they give it to me like a stick of authority.
Rigo Galvez (24:43):
And he say, that’s what I want to bring. My, my, my, my authority, my kingdom to the entire nation. And given to you this, to remember that, that, that I, to be you just follow me, don’t, don’t try and meet to follow you. Please follow me. I, you have the Holy spirit. He will directly, you, he will do the negotiation with you. Think about every time that you will be phasing out present, you are not alone. The Holy spirit would give it to you. The words that you need to talk about it. And I was getting so excited and I, and that’s her money, you know? And the Lord was so clear to me and then he’s give it to me in, he, he gives me to me financials already. He’s he mentioned the nation, that court that was Honduras. I didn’t know if it were going to start with Honduras, but he given Honduras.
Rigo Galvez (25:43):
I saw myself getting into the presidential house with that, in that dream. And that was the assignment. And I sending you and I, you, I know you will do it. And that’s the way, and the spiritual arena, Daniel, that’s the way one nation, one day a star. Wow. That’s amazing. And then the, the other side of it yeah. Was organizing everything. And so a lot of that was, was put together by, by my friend, Dominic Russo, who dominate. I was very unique Daniel, because remember I give up that I call traditional crusade, right? Yeah. I don’t know if I’m okay with that. But then Dominic came to Honduras and he came to do a, a juice conference in San Pedro. Yeah. And he called me, I didn’t even want to come to, I said, Daniel, I say Dominic and sorry. And those, those things you are talking about, it is over for me.
Rigo Galvez (26:44):
And I didn’t want to come, but something really brought my attention from him was next day, when he was coming back to United States, he called me from the airport of Honduras in San Pedro. He said real unliving back. But let me tell you something. I couldn’t sleep last night when he told me that I would think, Oh man, somebody trying to Rob or steal something from him, something really bad happened. And I said, Dominic, please tell me what happened. I stopped feeling bad because I didn’t want to come in to see him. And I said, no, I read a creature on the Bible that doesn’t allow me to sleep last night. And then he said, is Isaiah 60, say 66, eight can have nature and be saving on a day. That’s scripture, West connecting to my spirit, you know, already, when you say that, that really make me think twice to hear his conversation more.
Rigo Galvez (27:43):
And then he’s a real ongoing to the Amazon Peru. And can you come, we can talk about it and see what we can maybe doing Honduras. And he was thinking maybe not a night crusades a day and a day. And I say, no, that is doing exactly what the Lord is wanting, but I’m willing to go to Peru and we can talk and going with him. I connected him with gray ministers in the jungle, and we went together and every night we was riding the ideas and talking how one nation one day would play.
Daniel King (28:21):
I mean, I think it’s so neat how God allows us to be a part of, of, of, of what he does in people’s lives. Dominic was actually a student at Oral Roberts University at the same time as me. We were on the same floor and I was talking about doing my first crusade. And one day I wandered into his room and he had a picture of a big crowd. I think it was one of like Reinhard bunkies crowds. And he had cut out a picture of himself and put himself over Reinhardt Bunky. And I said, Oh, you you’re interested in preaching to, to masses of people. And he said, yes. And I, I said, well, I’m going on a trip to Honduras. Why don’t you come with me? We’re going to do a crusade. And so he came with me on that first crusade that we did in, in [inaudible]. And then the next year Dominic Russo and I, we did two crusades together. We did one in Panama, which you helped with. And then we did one in Dominican Republic. Yes. Which was a magnificent crusade. That was amazing that, that you and pastor Fernando Fleming from Dominican Republic help with yes, I don’t remember. And, and, and God began to launch Dominick into crusade, evangelism doing these massive events. And then now doing these entire nation shaking
Rigo Galvez (29:42):
Events one nation one day. So you’ve done Honduras, Honduras, you did Dominican Republic. You’ve done Nicaragua and Peru. And right now you’re planning a an event one day LA right here in the United States, which Los Angeles is like a country all by itself. That’s huge, huge. And every, and every area is huge, you know? But it’s I would say it is more a it’s more easy to understand what God wants to do in an LA, because we already have a little history for what he had done in this nation. You know, before, when we did Hondura, there was not pictures about 18 a stadium event and the same time, and only that there was so dangerous that there everybody was in panic hundreds, where people are dying, people was killed. And, and, and, and also we didn’t have all this connection that the dominant high right now, for example, people from South Africa, people from Australia, people from different part of the world, they are coming to be part of this event.
Rigo Galvez (31:07):
Now we’re believing for 20 to 20,000 volunteers that will come into serving for one week in Los Angeles. And and it’s going to happen. I am so glad that I’ve been working with the Hispanic pastors in LA or ready, and to see how hungry in and ready are therefore something, a significant peep. I know this Daniel, I believe the church is tire to be doing the same thing and no having different result. So many, they don’t tell you. But the, yeah, I find out the man, Oh, the pastors and song ways, they’re also weak because their faith there is not an action. S N and they probably haven’t activated their, fix it in a practical way. It’s like, if you don’t if you don’t take the right food, the right nutrition, you will be no healthy. It will be not strong enough your physical body. And if, if you get the right food, you will be so strong. Your masters will be so strong is the same way in your faith that you have been not doing so many significant things in own city, that they there’s muscle, that we call fate is not really strong. Now the church need to eat giants. If you get giants, you will be ready to take anything. There is, are trying to control the city of the countries.
Daniel King (32:59):
Let’s talk some about the results that you saw in the nation of Honduras. So, so as we mentioned before, hon San Pedro Sula was called the murder capital of the world before one nation. One day it was plagued by drug and gang related violence. But after one year later, statistically homocide went down in San Pedro Sula by 60%. Exactly. That’s the power of the gospel. When the gospel is preached, homocide went down by 60%. Suicide dropped by 15%. And according to the FAO, that is the official UN organization, the food and agriculture organization, extreme poverty in Honduras dropped by 3.4% in the 12 months after the one nation one day. And so after that, a notorious drug dealers and Honduras were apprehended and sent to the United States to face trial. Corrupt politicians were thrown into jail before all the teachers in Honduras were always going on strikes and the children did not get educated because the teachers were on strike.
Daniel King (34:20):
But in the one year after the one nation, one day, the teachers did not go on strike. And it was the first year that the kids had actually had 200 full days of, of education. And so the churches were unified pastors from different denominations who used to not talk to each other, we’re working together. And I remember pastor Misael from LACOE SAGIA. He was so excited about how God was using all the churches working together, down there. And then of course, Honduras voted in an election and elected a one Orlando Hernandez, and he gave, he looked very favorably upon the Christian. His wife is a Christian. And, and so what I found really interesting is on October 25th, 2014, Juan Orlando Hernandez, the president of Honduras and his wife, they knelt down publicly and prayed for the nation of Honduras. And that was the first time in history that the president had kneeled down in humbled himself before the nation and cried out for God’s blessing to be upon his people. What a tremendous testimony.
Rigo Galvez (35:34):
Okay. Now Israel for the first time in history has a embassy in an office in Honduras. Wow. Yeah, because of this president, of course, is because what God had been doing through the body of Christ in that country. Wow. Now the, the Alliance with Israel is so, so directly between Honduras and Israel, you know, that is really amazing. Then no, another president took the risk because there was so difficult to do it. Anyway. One of the great beside that, one of the greatest miracle for me in Honduras, or course to see the pack stadiums in miracles taking place, but to see for the first time, the body of Christ, the leaders, the pastors getting together for one purpose, because of that, we have one precedent who represent all the bang Gallico churches and the entire nature that didn’t happen before we have like a, before they were saying that there was four different hair.
Rigo Galvez (36:45):
We didn’t have a, a church United. We have a Moster because for three different hair, you know, already is not a normal person in any way. They it’s like a monster because it’s having gone in every different direction. And now we have one hair in represent the church facing any institution or organization. It that mean we are very organized. And that, that, that, that really is a miracle. And that is something that we have been able to see. And when we, after we do one nation, one day, the pastor get in unity. It is a tremendous open heaven. When is real unity in the body of Christ, wow. Unity is going to bring the real gospel to the nation is not that we have to do to work so hard creating ideas and how to put it together. These two look so beautiful that the plant less fine unity become one right there.
Rigo Galvez (38:01):
When you become one with Christ and the Barack, right, right. There is a blessing from heaven. That’s is one of the greatest miracle happened in Honduras after one nation one day. Wow. That’s amazing. I think it’s so beautiful how God back in Isaiah’s day gave the vision to Isaiah, can a nation be saved in a day. And so God looked into the future and saw what was going to happen. And then God came to you and began to prepare your heart and gave you this idea and gave you this vision. And you began to pray for nations and God gave you a priority
Daniel King (38:36):
Over, over nations. Exactly. And then God brought all the pieces together in, so it’s a huge miracle for an entire nation to be saved in a day. What a, what a great miracle that is. But it’s something that, that God has been orchestrating for thousands of years, Exxon and knowing, and I think it’s not finished yet. No. That the greatest days are still in the future. God has more, I can see nations being saved, even continents being saved all of central America at one time. Yes. There is more that God has,
Rigo Galvez (39:11):
I will say, let’s get in ready and get open. And exciting for example, right now, I will say there is not a better opportunity for the body of Christ in the entire world than now, because we, we, we already saw how the world system collapsing is so weak. It’s already broken because it’s ready for us to get into the nations with the kin. None of God. The answer for this world is not a man. A politician idea is God’s kingdom in now I will. I say the very confidence that this is the best moment for the church. Less run it. Get into that as a get ready and get into,
Daniel King (40:13):
We asked the question. I want you to answer it. Rigo, can a nation be saved in a day?
Rigo Galvez (40:18):
Yes. We’re ready.