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Sarah Nyanzi | Can God Save the United Kingdom?

Sarah Nyanzi was born in Uganda but now lives in the United Kingdom. She recently graduated from the Christ for All Nation Evangelism Bootcamp and now God has given her a vision for preaching the Gospel in the United Kingdom. Can God do the same miracles in the UK that He does in Africa? Let’s find out…

 

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Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Sarah Nyanzi was born in Uganda, but now lives in the United Kingdom. She recently graduated from the Christ for all nations evangelism bootcamp. And now God has given her a vision for preaching the gospel in the United Kingdom. Can God do the same miracles in the UK that he does in Africa? Let’s find out.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:34):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King or Daniel interviews. Full-Time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:59):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest evangelist, Sarah NZI. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Sarah Nyanzi (01:12):
Thank you so much for having me. It’s an honor, and I’m excited evangelist.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:17):
Sarah is originally from the nation of Uganda, but now she lives in the UK and Sarah, could you tell me, how did you develop this passion for evangelism that God has given you?

Sarah Nyanzi (01:33):
Honestly, if I’m just to be honest with you, I’ve developed this passion that God has given me. And I would say it’s the gospel. I would say what’s changed. My life is here in the true gospel. I’ve been born again since 2012, you know, I’ve always been in the church. But what really clicked with me was when I heard the true gospel and when I heard the gospel, I remember when I received the fullness of the holy spirit, the first thing I wanted to do was to go out and tell somebody, I didn’t know what an evangelist was then I just thought, yeah, of course I have to tell people about what has happened to me. That was my first response. I remember getting on buses and on the street, I was like, I have to tell people what God has done. So for me, funny enough, it was only until later I realized, oh, that’s, that’s the thing.

Sarah Nyanzi (02:24):
That’s, you know, you that’s a calling. I didn’t know. I thought it was normal. So fell in love with Jesus, got filled with the holy spirit. And since then I’ve had a burning desire to tell other people about Jesus using social media. I’ve been writing for years blogging everywhere that I can, I wanna tell people about this best friend, this, this God that became human, you know, for us. And I think it’s really important for me. I feel like my, my gifting and my calling and my passion is isn’t just to win them, but I want them to come into a relationship, you know, a passionate relationship with Jesus. So that’s where I, I, I, I’m not, I don’t just wanna have a number of souls to win, but I wanna tell them, do you know, there’s a God that wants to talk to you about things in your life that are personal. So I wanna bring you into, I wanna make it more personable to people. So that’s where my passion came from.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:21):
That’s awesome. Now, you and I met in Orlando, Florida, you were a student at the Christ for All Nations Evangelism Bootcamp. What were some of the things that you learned at this intensive bootcamp training for people who have a passion for evangelism?

Sarah Nyanzi (03:42):
Wow. Goodness. There’s so much I can say, but I say I’ll, I think I’ll say the top things. One of the things I learned was again, you, as an evangelist, we have to know the gospel. I mean, we’re gonna share this beautiful thing with people that we preach you. We have to be. So one of the things that the evangelism bootcamp does, and we met so many great teachers like yourself, Daniel is that we really, Daniel Kolenda went into little things about what is the gospel? What is salvation? You know, what all those things. And we, we, it’s almost like he gave us the responsibility of knowing ourselves what these things mean. So that’s that’s, for me, that was the greatest lesson is that I was able to be under a teacher that taught me the gospel and it was a true gospel. So it was good for me because that’s an area that I’m very passionate about. Cause it’s a lot of things out there. So that was the first thing. Another thing that the evangelism.

Sarah Nyanzi (04:43):
Bootcamp taught me is, you know how to consider crusade evangelism. I’ve always had that vision in my heart, but I didn’t know that I could actually do it cause it’s a big task. So what the evangelism bootcamp did for me was to think globally, don’t just try to of quite, of course you can win people. One on one, you can meet, pull in the street and minister them. But how about putting on an event where you can pull in, you know, millions or thousands or hundreds of people at once? So it took the focus away from myself thinking about, oh, I’m gonna be this great evangelist, all of that, the Lord plucked that out. And he gave me the right perspective of why I should become a crusade evangelist. It’s not about me. It’s about Jesus. It’s about him almost. What’s that thing where he it’s like he gets more people all at once. And then the third, the third thing for the Evangel bootcamp that it ingrained in me is serving. I learned how to become a servant. I learned the value, serving someone else’s vision. You know, I’ve been I’ve done the I’ve been on this I guess your oldest might know what the capitalist is, but I’ve done the couples. Yeah. So you

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:52):
Did your, your bootcamp initiation in Tanzania. And then you went back to Tanzania to participate de capitalist, which the word de capitalist means 10 cities. It’s a, it’s from the book of Luke and Daniel Kalinda, the, the leader of Christ, all nations has a vision to do multiple crusades, multiple cities at the same time. And, and so I’ve actually had a privilege of participating in two Tanzania de capitalist events. And one time they did five cities. The next time they did six cities. And then you went back for a big event in Darra Salam, which is the capital of Tanzania’s a huge city, but kind of tell me what that outreach looked like in Dar Salam in doing multiple events across the city at the same time.

Sarah Nyanzi (06:43):
Honestly, that’s, that’s probably where I learned how to serve the most. It changed my life. You really see the background work of putting on a crusade. You see how sea fund does. You know, I, I was under, I was in a a district called, called Kimara micro director was Brady. It was three of us, three of the main CFA people. And, you know, I was, it was a, it’s a big responsibility, but that is where if you wanna become an evangelist, if you wanna be, if you want to be trained in that way, then you can put, then it’s okay to be given, to put yourself in a when you’re like, okay, Lord, you’ve given me this responsibility, so I’m gonna do it. It was life changing. First, first and foremost, the people, the relationships that you form with the locals is incredible because I’ll give you an example.

Sarah Nyanzi (07:30):
You know, I had the volunteer comm, I had different committees basically. And one of them came up to me and they were like, we’ve never seen a young per well, we haven’t seen a young person, you know, at your age, serving God like this. I know that wasn’t me. I know that’s the training. That’s the, the thing that God is doing on the inside of me, that people can see it. So you get to build relationships with churches. People get to look at you, they see you, they watch you, the locals watch you. And even that’s a to money. We saw miracles. You know, one of the, one of the miracles I’ll tell you about is this young boy who hadn’t walked in a long time, stood out from his, from the chair when the evangelist Daniel called Tony, sorry, Dennis called him out of his chair and he was walking and I saw those miracles for myself, you know?

Sarah Nyanzi (08:16):
And then another miracle was a member. I’ll give you just another example is there were two nights where my crusade director told me, I need you to be at the back of the crusade with the volunteers. And I was like, I’m gonna miss out on the crusade, but that’s where the heart comes in. That’s where you develop that heart to serve. And yes, maybe on the sea fund posters and the videos, no one knows Sarah ne, but I know I was there and the Lord knows I was there. So for me, I was part of a, a global evangelist winning campaign. And I can get, I can say to the Lord to the best of my ability I served. And I can say, you know, when those numbers are pronounced, you know, I’m sure even you, Daniel, you can testify to this. I can say I’m a part of that. When I hear 50,000 million or 50,000 people got saved, I can say yes. So even though you’re not, you might not be the main preacher, I guess the best thing I can say to those that are interested in joining the safe fund book campus, you might serve someone for a season, someone else’s vision for a season, but it’s worth it. It’ll teach you a lot for your own ministry.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:22):
What a great perspective on servanthood. Jesus said, I did not come to be served, but to serve. Jesus said the greatest in the kingdom is the servant of all. And so it sounds like you’ve really learned that lesson. Now. You’ve seen God move in Africa, but you live in the UK and mm-hmm <affirmative> has given you a heart to reach people in the United Kingdom for Jesus. And you are currently working on putting together an outreach. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> tell me about that. God has put in your heart for the United Kingdom.

Sarah Nyanzi (10:00):
Yeah. so I’ve had this vision for a long time. I got born again, 2012, and the word that came to me, God said, I’ve given you England for your take for the taking. And I, I didn’t know what that meant because I was still new to the whole preaching thing. So I I’ve thought of, but the word for a long time, it wasn’t until November, December, this year, when the Lord told me to put an, a crusade in the UK to assemble a team, to try, you know, win source for him, no matter how small or big cause that was my biggest concern is Lord, what if I can’t, I’m not well known. He said, do it. So that vision is to win people to Jesus. We want to put an, a crusade potentially as time goes on in, in many cities around the UK, we’re gonna start with London.

Sarah Nyanzi (10:48):
And the goal is to preach the gospel, to bring that, you know, that glory that we see in Africa to share it here, to ministry here, to the people in the UK. We want people to come and experience the glory of God. We want people even Christians to be on fire. So this crusade is not only a soul winning project, a soul winning outreach, but it’s also a place where we desire to ignite the churches, to ignite Christians, the perhaps wanna share the gospel, but haven’t yet gotten that confidence. So I wanna encourage those listening if you live in the UK or if you’re not friends, and you can tell them about this event because it’s gonna be life changing and we’re excited to see what God’s gonna do. And another part of that vision is we’re involving Europeans. So if you are someone who is in the fire camps, for example come to this crusade because we are also holding this crusade for you to experience what it’s like to have a crusade in Europe. So you’re welcome.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:53):
You were born in Africa and then mm-hmm <affirmative> you spent a lot of time there in the UK mm-hmm <affirmative> and the dynamics of preaching to people is very different. Let’s just take a moment to compare and contrast. How do you think that UK is, is different than Africa? What, what do you think is the same? What, how do you think we should adjust our method? Preaching the gospel when working in a, a first world nation versus mm-hmm <affirmative> a developing nation.

Sarah Nyanzi (12:27):
Yeah. So I found that’s a really good question. I found when I was, when I was in Africa. And one of the things I found was, you know, because obviously in the UK, there’s different levels of wealth and different levels of poverty or different levels of even perspective. I think in, in westernized countries like Europe and UK, we do have a lot of things to our disposal. For example, in the, when I get sick, I don’t have to have faith to get medicine or to get healing. I can go to my doctor and we have a national health in health service system where we have medicine for free <laugh>. That’s why we pay really high taxes. So there’s a downside to that. But people, I feel like in the, in the, in our, in, in the UK, you know, there’s other reliances now, if you go to Africa, the, the systems are different.

Sarah Nyanzi (13:23):
So faith for some of them, faith is all they’ve got, you know, that’s all they’ve got. So I don’t wanna sound negative. Say people in Africa have faith and people in the UK don’t know people, but it’s just, the reliance is heavily on the spiritual. And therefore you do see that hunger being fulfilled. Whereas in the UK, people think I don’t need faith. I can go and buy myself something to eat or whatever it’s different in the UK. So I found I was number one the reliance in that hope that we as supposed to place in God, has maybe been placed on other things. And another thing that I found is that spiritually there’s just, people feel like they don’t need, they don’t need God. Whereas in the, in Africa, I haven’t really met anyone when I normally maybe I’m yet to meet that person by in Africa, meet people and they know about God, but I think they just wanna, they’re excited that you mean God has sent you for me.

Sarah Nyanzi (14:23):
I’ll give you an example. We were in the villages, we had a crusade in Tanzania. I was chosen along with a few other people to do a town crusade as part of my initiation, which was great, went into this remote remote village. And I told them, Hey, God has sent me here for you, which is true. They were so like, what? That’s incredible. They was so like, no way. And it was, I even, I felt it, that, that, that innocence, that beautiful thing in the UK people would be like, first of all, who is good, and second and foremost, you’re lying. Like the difference of belief is different. So yeah, I think in the UK, even our communication, the way we communicate has to be different as well. So those are some of the challenge are some of the benefits.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:11):
Well, I pray that people in the UK will have the same faith and belief in God as people in Africa. And I really think that God is sending evangelists like you to the UK that are full of fire full of the holy spirit, that will call people to have a trust and faith in Jesus Christ. And so God’s hand is upon you. And I’m so excited about what you’re doing in the UK and, and, and I’d really encourage you, who are listening. If you are in the United Kingdom get involved in what God is doing on my website below the this episode, I’m gonna put a link to where you can go and to support Sarah. And so I’d encourage you to support her and help her in reaching the United Kingdom for Jesus. Sarah, thank you so much for being a guest on the evangelism podcast. God bless you.

Sarah Nyanzi (16:07):
Thank you, Daniel. Thank you guys.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:10):
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What Do Muslims Think About Jesus?

What are the differences between Islam and Christianity? What do Muslims believe about Jesus? Where can we agree with one another and where do we disagree? Today I speak to a Muslim from Afghanistan and we talk about the Five Pillars of Islam, the Christmas story in the Koran, and about what Muslims really think about Jesus Christ.

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Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
What are the differences between Islam and Christianity? What do Muslims believe about Jesus? Where can we agree with one another? And where do we disagree today? I speak to a Muslim from Afghanistan and we talk about the five pillars of Islam, the Christmas story in the Quran, and about what Muslims really think about Jesus Christ. Jesus

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:28):
Said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls in the name of the Lord shall be say, Welcome to the evangelism podcast, Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:02):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And I go to many different Muslim nations around the world and nations that have many Muslims in them. And I always love meeting Muslims. Muslim love me, and I love Muslims. And so often when we go to a different country, I will have a meal with the local imams. We will invite the, the imams from the local mosques together and have a meal together and I’ll sit down and talk with them and they will talk about what they believe as Muslims. And I will talk about what I believe as a Christian, and it’s always a wonderful time of, of, of fellowship and, and talking together. And so today on this podcast I have with me, a friend who happens to be a Muslim. His name is Tayyab, but he’s known as T. He is from the nation of Afghanistan. And if you want to hear the story of how he arrived here in America, you can listen to the previous podcast that we put out yesterday. But Tyab thank you so much for joining me today. Hello, Mr.

Tayyab (02:22):
Daniel King. It’s been and honor to be on this podcast once again.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:26):
Well thank you for, for being here and you are a Muslim, is that true?

Tayyab (02:31):
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:32):
Am Muslim by faith. You’re a Muslim by faith. And so many of the people who are listening to this podcast maybe they don’t really know that much about Muslims or about Islam. Could you just start at the very beginning and kind of tell us, like, what is Islam, what does it mean to be a Muslim? What does the word Islam mean? So

Tayyab (02:53):
As a quick overview of the Islamic faith, the word Islam means peace and Muslims are followers of prophet Mohammed who we believe is the most important individual in our faith. We believe in one, God, our God is a law and the Muslims are okay. Devout Muslim would be known for following the five pillars, pillars of Islam. The first being Profession of Faith (shahada), which is basically saying there is no God with a law and prophet Muhammad, this messenger, the second being Prayer (salat). So, which is prayer. We pray five times a day, third being Alms (zakat), which is arms as in, we give charity to different individuals, people of need at a specific amount of a person’s income and fourth, Pilgrimage (hajj), which is our pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia, in the city of Mecca. We have a house that we believe is a holy place known as Kaaba and a Muslim is required.

Tayyab (03:49):
This pilgrimage throughout his entire life and fifth. And lastly is Fasting (sawm). We have the holy month of Ramadan. That’s a 30 day fast and Muslims try to be the best version of themselves. And just to remind them what is important about life. And we fast from mourn, from sunrise to sunset, and it’s just a spiritual month where we connect with one another and help try to help people around us. And it’s just being a Muslim is just an individual that to meet the principles of Islam as the five pillar of Islam mentioned, it just tries to be a good human being.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:27):
So explain to me the profession of faith it’s there is no God but Allah…

Tayyab (04:36):
Prophet Mohamed is, is his messenger.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:38):
Okay. So kind of explain that and why saying that is what makes you a Muslim? So

Tayyab (04:46):
A, it’s almost like a acceptance of faith. It’s a statement of faith where you say, which means there is no God, it is your acknowledgement of that. There is only one God, and his name is Allah and Moham. It is prophet Mohamed. That is his messenger. As in he’s the individual, the prophet that gifted us with our holy book, which is the Holyoke Quran. And so we believe that prophet Mohamed was gifted with the Holyoke Quran through a period of think 20 years, believe don’t quote me. I might be wrong <laugh> but he was our messenger and he was gifted. The, the holy words that are divine words of God at Mount HIRA through the angel Gabriel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:33):
So how has being Muslim influenced your personal beliefs? Like what does that mean to you on a personal level?

Tayyab (05:42):
On a personal level? Faith has been a fundamental of who I am as an individual. As an Afghan have lived a very unique life per se. It’s been a very difficult life, but I’m grateful for what I have today. And by having faith and being a person of faith, I found purpose in my life purpose in helping other people purpose in following the path that God ha that God has for me finding my purpose within God. And within this life, it’s made life meaningful, made family meaningful, made each interaction meaningful. It’s given me a purpose in my life, Mr. Daniel, and I’m very grateful for faith. It’s a point where I have been able to always return to, to God, no matter what the circumstances have

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:24):
Been. And so how are you doing at being a Muslim? Would you say that you’re a good Muslim? Would, will you go to heaven when you die? That’s

Tayyab (06:34):
An interesting question. The answer for this question, it is up to God. I believe God is a very graceful, loving being, and he cares for all his creations, including me. I believe that he knows my name. He knows my fate. He knows what I do on a daily basis. He knows who I, who I am, what I stand for. He knows the purpose that he has for my life. And I believe that I am trying my best at being a good Muslim. And the actual determination of this response would be up to God himself. Not me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:08):
Let’s talk a little bit about the differences between Islam in Christianity. I’m a Christian. I believe that that G Jesus is God. And Muslims do not believe that they believe that Jesus is a prophet. Yes, sir. And of course in the, the Muslim religion Jesus is known as the prophet Issa. Yes, sir. And, and so let’s begin by kind of talking about kind of where we agree and then we can look at where maybe we, we disagree. Okay. So I think there’s some facts that both the Quran and the Bible can, can agree on. Okay. And the first one is that Jesus was a prophet. Yes. The, the, the Bible, the holy book of Christians mm-hmm, <affirmative> says that Jesus was a prophet. Okay. And also the Quran, the holy book of the mother. Yes, sir. Says that Jesus was a prophet. So on that we can agree. Yes. Jesus was a

Tayyab (08:04):
Prophet and something I would like to point out is we believe that he was one of the most important prophets, the second most important prophet. If I am not incorrect, prophet Muhammad had mentioned it. If I wasn’t the messenger of God, it would’ve been prophet

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:18):
ESA or Jesus in, in, so Muslims because of that would have deep respect and honor for Jesus. Is

Tayyab (08:24):
That we correct? Yes. As a Muslim, this is a statement that will shock almost every single listener to this podcast, but I am Muslim and I love Jesus. I feel like most people don’t understand this, but prophet Jesus is a big, big part of the, of the Muslim faith. And we do love Jesus. We might not believe that he is God, but we believe he was one of the beautiful creations of God. And that we have deep, deep respect for prophet Jesus. And we also believe that during judgment day he will come back and that he will fight the battle during judgment day.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:57):
Another area that we can have agreement is that Jesus was born of a Virgin. Yes. Named Mary. Yes. So we find the story in the Bible and the story is also found in the Quran. Another thing we can agree on is that is Jesus performed miracles. Yes. Actually in the Quran, there’s a story of a miracle that Jesus did. That’s not even found in the Bible. But in the Bible, there are many, many stories of what Jesus did about how Jesus healed the blind, the crippled, the lame, they brought so many sick people to Jesus and Jesus touched them in instantly. Yes, they were healed. And, and so the Quran affirms that that Jesus does miracles. Yes. We also can agree that Jesus is coming again. And will judge the dead. You just mentioned that on the, on

Tayyab (09:48):
The judgment date. Yes. One thing I’d like to point out is about the miracles. We do not believe that Jesus himself does the miracles. We believe that it’s a divine in powers of God, himself. That Jesus was just a a medium through which the divine powers of God were

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:01):
Demonstrated. That’s a really interesting distinction as Christians. You know, we believe that Jesus is God. And so, because he is deity, he has the, the ability mm-hmm <affirmative> to, to do miracles. I and so we believe that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, that Jesus is alive today in that Jesus, the one who did miracles 2000 years ago is still alive. We believe that as well is able to do miracles today.

Tayyab (10:30):
We believe that he was also, he’s still alive. Yes. We do believe that as well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:33):
Do, do you believe that Jesus can do miracles today for people

Tayyab (10:37):
That I I could not give a pause, a response on that? I, I’m not

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:41):
Sure. I was. I’ve actually had the experience of, of talking about Jesus with, with many Muslims. So one time I was in Pakistan and we had a, a big event, a big festival thousands of people we’re there. And I was talking about Jesus and all the miracles that, that Jesus did. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And so at the, the back of the crowd, there was an Imam who came from the local mosque, and he just wanted to see like, kind of what was happening Uhhuh. And so he was standing back there. And on that night, we, we prayed in the name of Jesus. And there was a, a woman who was crippled. She, she couldn’t walk for many years and suddenly she was healed and she stood up and began to run back and forth. And, and Jesus healed me, Jesus healed. And, and she came up on the, the stage and, and she told everyone in the microphone, Jesus says, I’m Muslim, but tonight I was healed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:34):
And she says, you preached about Jesus. And, and I was healed. And so the IAM, he heard out it, or, I mean, he was standing in the back of the crowd and he was so excited about what happened. The next day was Friday. He went to the mosque and he at the mosque, he told all the Muslims that were there. He said, go to the festival. He said, and Jesus is healing people there. He says, go, and Jesus will touch you. And so many of them came and many of them were touched by Jesus. It was really amazing.

Tayyab (12:01):
I am not gonna disagree with this, but it’s just a point that I would like to, I’m very hesitant by nature to believe things like this. Yeah. Everyth think is like, I try to keep it as genuine and honest as possible is sure.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:17):
Why are you hesitant to

Tayyab (12:18):
No, no. A good way to say it is things like this can be easily performed and mm-hmm, <affirmative> people are easily deceived. Let’s just keep it at that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:27):
And it’s easy. Are you saying that as a Muslim or from a, a scientific, modern viewpoint, that miracles are

Tayyab (12:34):
Difficult to happen? Not as a scientific viewpoint or as a Muslim, but more of a, the entire occurrence that an individual can get healed through an event and then starts preaching for a specific faith. It just sounds like a as a propaganda sorts, if that makes sense, I’m trying to be respectful about it as well, but it’s just something that human beings are very easily swayed in a direction. And they see something immediately where they cannot understand, or like in the past we could not understand magic, but we understand like the concept of sight of hand today. Sure.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:07):
If, you know, I think that would be kind of approaching it from a scientific viewpoint of demanding evidence of whether it’s

Tayyab (13:13):
True or not, not a scientific viewpoint, more of a, something can be made to look a certain way. If we want to look at a certain way mm-hmm <affirmative> and people are easy to be deceived.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:23):
Okay. Well, thank you for your honesty. The, the fifth and final thing that, that I find in both the, the Bible and the Quran is that Jesus was, was strengthened by the holy spirit. But I think it would actually be interesting to kind of show some of what the Bible says about Jesus, the prophet and what the Quran says about Jesus, the prophet. And so I would actually like to read a story I’ll read it first from the Bible mm-hmm <affirmative> and then let’s find it in the Quran. And if you would like to, to read it from the Quran. Yes. And this is the story of how Jesus was born. It’s a very important story in Christianity. In fact Christmas, which, which just celebrated yes. Is celebrating the miraculous conception and birth of Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:24):
And so at Christmas time, this year, we had a large group of Afghans that came over. Yes. all Muslim and to celebrate the Christmas story. We first read the Christmas story in the Bible, the Christian Bible, and then we read it in the, the Muslim Quran. So the story is found in the book of Luke chapter one, verse 26. It says in the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth a town in Galilee to a Virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The Virgin’s name was Mary. The angel went to her and said, greetings you who are highly favored. The Lord is with you. Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the angels said to her, do not be afraid.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:17):
Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a son and you are to give him the name. Jesus. He will be great and will be called the son of the most high the Lord. God will give him the throne of a, his father, David. And he will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end. How can this be? Mary asked the angel, since I am a version, the angel answered the holy spirit will come upon you. And the power of the most high will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the son of God, E and Elizabeth. Your relative is going to have a child in her old age. And she, who was said to be barren is in her six month for nothing is impossible with God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:01):
I am the Lord’s servant. Mary answered. May it be to me, as you have said, and then the angel left her. And so there’s several things in that passage that Muslims could agree with. There’s, there’s one important thing in that passage that Muslims would not agree with. Yes. Where the angel says that he will be called the son of the most high. Yes. and so Muslims don’t agree that Jesus is the son of God, but we’ll talk about that in just a second. Let, lets start with at least where there’s agreement understand. And so can you find this in the, the Quran it’s in? Sir, how do you say it, sir, sir.

Tayyab (16:41):
So it ISS number three, number three and is number 42. Okay. And before begin resign the holy Quran, we say, I, it is something we say before reciting the whole, what, what does that mean? I’m beginning in the name of aah, basically, which that what it means behold, the Christians, the angel said, oh, Mary aah has chosen you and purified. You chosen you above the women of all nations. Oh, Mary worship, your Lord divide, prostate yourself and bow down in prayer with those who bow down. This is part of the TIS of the things unseen, which we reveal unto you own messenger by inspiration. You are not with them when they cast lots of arrows as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary or were you with them when they disputed the point behold, the angels set, oh, Mary Allah gives you glad TIS of a word from him.

Tayyab (17:44):
His name will be Christ. Jesus. The son of Mary held in honor in this world and the hereafter and of the company of those nearest to a law. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be of the company of the righteous. She said, oh my Lord, how shall I have a son with no, when no man has touched me. He said, even so a law creates what he wills when he has decreed a plan. He but says to it B and it is, and a law will teach him the book on book and wisdom, the law and the gospel. Something before we move on is a key thing point out is during translation specific words can be interpreted in a specific way or can be added and equal removed depending on the translation of the language. I would say the best version to read the Holyoke Quran is in Arabic itself because,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:46):
And so do you read the Quran in Arabic? I do. Yes. But and, and do you understand Arabic, like, do you speak Arabic? Arabic

Tayyab (18:53):
Is a language that I’m not proficient in personally myself. The holy Quran is lit written in classical Arabic, which is one of the forms of Arabic, very complicated version of Arabic. Most people even Arabs today cannot speak that language. But what I’m mentioning is no matter how much we try to get the best translation of a holy scripture the other language falls short, and we have humans that are able to change or manipulate the language as they will to make it seem a certain way. So it’s best to just read the language in the language that it was, it was presented and try to understand it from the different interpretations from different individuals.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:31):
Yeah. The old Testament was written in Hebrew and the new Testament was written in Greek. And so I actually studied both Greek and Hebrew to be able to read the scriptures in the, the original languages. And I, I heard that that Muslims believe that the, the Arabic of the Quran is the most beautiful sound that has ever yes. Been said, is that true?

Tayyab (19:57):
I would say it is one of the, be most beautiful languages, if not the most beautiful language in the world. Classical Arabic, it gives peace to my heart when I listen to it, something that for example, this is a call to prayer. The haz is when they, the mosques, when they call you to prayer during five times a day, it is a very beautiful song of sorts. It’s a melody calling you to come pray in the house of God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:21):
Can you sing it?

Tayyab (20:22):
I will not sing it for you now.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:24):
<Laugh>, I’ve heard it many times in different nations and they always get on a loud speaker and, and sing it sometimes very loud early in the morning. It wakes everyone up.

Tayyab (20:35):
If I sing it, I think most people will just

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:38):
See, this is not so beautiful.

Tayyab (20:41):
<Laugh>, they’ll go deaf on the podcast. You’ll be like, what is this?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:44):
<Laugh>. Yeah. Okay. So let’s, let’s talk about some things that Christianity and Islam do not agree on. So understand the first thing that, that Christians believe really the fundamental thing that we believe in our faith is that that Jesus is God. What do you, as a Muslim think when you hear someone say that this is

Tayyab (21:06):
God. I mean, number one, as Muslims, we’re taught to respect every other religion and not to make fun of it or do things that would be Blas for the other faith. So we, first of all, we respect it and respected individuals. Thank

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:21):
You for your respect. And, and in turn, I respect you and, and your

Tayyab (21:25):
Faith. And like we mentioned earlier as a Muslim, I love Jesus. He was the second most important prophet in our faith. So when you mention that Jesus is a son of God is a point of disagreement. We believe that Jesus was a prophet of God and that he was a very unique creation birth of a Virgin Mary, but he is not the son of God. We believe there’s one, God, he has no re relatives. You guys know sons or daughters. And we view humans as creations of God. Not, not, not sons of God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:55):
So when you hear the term, son of God, what do you think of? I, I, I heard I, I spoke to one Muslim and, and he told me that this was actually very offensive to him cuz when he heard son of God, what he was thinking was that God literally came down and had sex with the, the Virgin. Mary is, is that what is people think when they hear the son of God? No, because that’s not really what Christians mean when they say son of God, they’re not thinking that

Tayyab (22:26):
I understand I, that individual that you spoke to was just uninformed. Let’s put it out that way and does not represent the rest of the Muslim community and their view on this topic. But as in the topic of having a son of God is just, you guys still believe Christians believe that the Christ that Jesus was God, and then there’s a Trinity, right? There’s Jesus there’s as far. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:48):
We haven’t gotten to the Trinity yet. That’s gonna be number four. Okay. But yeah, we believe that, that you have God, the father, God, the son, God, the holy spirit. Three in one there’s still one God. Yes sir. Yes sir. You know, in, in the, the Hebrew religion, the Jews, they believe that that God is one. And so Christians also believe God is one. But within that, we, we believe that there are three unique individuals in that called

Tayyab (23:15):
The Trinity. So when you mention the son of God, it just is something that I disagree with because it’s a part of a Trinity. And that is what it goes back to. That is a concept I disagree with.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:27):
Okay. Another foundational belief of Christian entity is that Jesus died on the cross to pay the price for our sins. The Bible says that all have sinned. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> that the price for sin is death. Okay. But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. And so the Bible says that for God. So love the world that he gave. His only son mm-hmm <affirmative> that whoever would believe in him would not perish, but would have everlasting life. So we believe that that Jesus died on the cross. He was a perfect sacrifice. He never sin. He died on the cross to pay the price for our sins, but he didn’t stay dead. After three days, Jesus rose from the dead. And today Jesus is alive and everyone who calls on Jesus can be saved. And so when, when you hear someone say that, that Jesus died on the cross, do you agree with that? Or, or you disagree? We disagree with that as well. And so what was your perspective of, of what happened? We

Tayyab (24:20):
Believe that Jesus was rescued by God. Okay. And that he was not crucified on the cross. We

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:26):
Do believe so. It looked like he was crucified, but he didn’t really die.

Tayyab (24:28):
He was not crucified on the cross. Okay. Yes. We believe that he was rescued by God and that he will come back. He’s alive today. He’s in heaven right now. And he’ll come back on. So did

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:37):
Jesus die or not die? He never died. He never died. He just went to heaven. God took him.

Tayyab (24:42):
God. Yes, exactly. God rescued Jesus from

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:45):
He’s alive in heaven. Yes sir.

Tayyab (24:47):
Yes, sir. We believe that Jesus is alive in heaven and during judgment day he will come back and that it, it is a big, big part of our Islamic faith where like, as again, it is a huge honor and it shows how much love that we have for this prophet because God shows him as the individual to, to rescue and then bring back on judgment day to fight for Muslims. Again, we love Jesus. He is a big, big, big part of our faith.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:14):
So another thing that we would disagree on is that that Christians believe that that Jesus should be worshiped since he’s God. We worship him. We pray in the name of Jesus. We pray to Jesus because we believe he’s deity. He’s part of, of the Godhead. What do, what do Muslims believe? Should Jesus be worshiped or not?

Tayyab (25:35):
No, we do not believe that Jesus should be worshiped again. We, we view him as a human being. He was a human being. He was a prophet of God, but in, in his truest essence, we believe he was human. And that’s why prophet Mohammed is a very, very prominent part of prophet of Islam as well during his time when he introduced Islam to the rest of the world. And he did miracles again through the divine powers of God, it wasn’t miracles that he was channeling within himself when he died at the age of 60, roughly around that it proved to humans and to Muslims throughout the world, that it wasn’t prophet Mohamed doing this amazing powers. He wasn’t God. He was a merely human being, a messenger of God. The one only God. And he was a messenger and everyone before him was human and they were just prophets of God, specific individuals that chosen individuals or prophets of God, they’re human by nature.

Tayyab (26:31):
And as per Muhammad, when he died, it showed to us as in humans and Muslims and Muslims throughout the world, it was, Hey, remember that this individual was not your God. He was a human and that he passed away, but he gave the entire world the gift of Islam. And that’s what makes him special for us as human as, as Muslims. That’s why he’s the, the figure of Islam. When you think about Islam, think about prophet Mohammed, because he gifted us with the gift of the Holyoke Quran and that’s the fundamentals of what we follow as Muslims.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:05):
And then the, the final thing we already talked about a little bit is, is the Trinity. We Christians believe God, the father, God, the son, God, the holy spirit. What do Muslims think when they hear a Christian talk about the Trinity

Tayyab (27:21):
Again, in the beginning, we respect that. The fact that is a huge part of their belief. But we do, we disagree on this point because we do not believe that there is a, a father and a son and a holy spirit. We believe there’s one, God, one complete God. I understand that Trinity supports the existence of one God, but there’s, I wanna say parts to this one, God, but like Jesus is God. According to the Christian faith, and then you have father, who’s also God, and then you have the holy spirit. Who’s also God. And together they’re also God, but there’s one God. Right? But that’s right. Yeah. For the Muslim faith, there is just, it’s a simplified version of it. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, there’s one God, a lot. We do not have the father, the son or the holy spirit. There is just one God, most complete, most magnificent, most loving most, most would you

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:07):
Consider it? Bla for me to talk about there being God, the son, God, the holy spirit

Tayyab (28:14):
I would in my own opinion, again, it would, it would not be bla for me because it is your own faith and you follow your own faith and you, if you found perfect purpose in your own faith, you’ve every right to believe of what you, what you’re believing. That’s a big, big part of understanding. Religion in general is people try to find purpose in their faith. And when they do, we might disagree at certain points. But overall at a fundamental standpoint, religion was to make sure that people of have purpose in life and they’re good human beings. There’s incentive behind it. We might in my, we worship. We all worship the same. God. If you call him Jesus, if you call him father, if you call him a law, if you call him Buddha, whatever you follow in a humanistic level, we all worship the same. God. There is a higher being that gives us purpose in life.

Tayyab (29:01):
You see, we can easily divide ourselves based on different categories, faith cast, social class, but at the end of the day, Mr. Daniel King, we’re humans and we find purpose in different things based on our different situations. And if you’re a good person because of your faith, you’re a good person. Regardless if you’re, if for a Muslim, you’re a good person. If you’re a good person and for a Christian, you’re a good person. You’re a good person. I personally have to, to know you, you asked me what is your opinion on Christians? And I said, my perspective on Christians are people like yourself or your father or your sisters or your family. They represent the Christian faith for me. They represent America for me. And I, and I would say that you are an excellent ambassador of your faith for the rest of the world.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:53):
Well thank you for saying that. Thank you. I have one final question for you. You know, you talk about good deeds and, and bad deeds in Islam. If you have more good deeds than bad deeds, then you can spend eternity in heaven. Did I express that right?

Tayyab (30:18):
To a certain extent? Yes but no.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:20):
Okay. Explain the, that concept to be

Tayyab (30:23):
In Islam. The, the good deeds are promoted because you want to help the creations of God. And there’s bad deeds that aren’t discouraged. But if you have like God has made us humans, sinful by nature. And the concept of repentance is very, very critical in Islam. See, when you repent, when you repent wholeheartedly to God, God forgives all your sins, all your mistakes. It takes one moment, one pure deed, good deed out of your heart. Or just one moment of just being vulnerable to God. And God is so loving. So merciful. So caring. So forgiving that it is not, it’s not about quantity, Mr. King. It’s not. It’s about quality. See, he cares when you, when you surrender yourself to him, when you care about him, when that one moment of just being vulnerable and honest and asking for forgiveness from God, he forgives all your sins. Again, he’s very loving, very caring, very, very, it’s just an amazing, beautiful God. It’s not about quantity. As long as you’re, you try to be a person of God, you follow his faith, you follow his rules, you love his creations. You love him. And because of that, you love everything else. He, he, he has, he will. He will. I I’m. I’m sure of it that he will take us to heaven.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (31:49):
See Christians believe that everyone who calls on the name of Jesus will be saved. And so all of us, no matter how many good deeds that we’ve done, we are imperfect. And since God is perfect, if you have just committed one sin, you are not qualified in to, to be in God’s presence and trying to get to heaven through our own merit or through our own ability of all the, the good deeds that we have is, is impossible. And it’s it. It’s like if you imagine a cliff and you’re going to try to jump from one side of the grand canyon to the other side, and if you are overweight and have lots of body fat and, and you eat a donut and then Huff and puff and, and run and jump, as far as you, can you jump like one foot and then you fall to the bottom and you die.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:49):
Well, an Olympic runner who is really fast and good at jumping and, and is the fastest farthest jumping person in the whole world. And he gets a good running start. He’s at the peak of his condition. He runs as fast. He can jumps off the edge of the cliff. He can jump like 30 feet, you know, 10 meters out from the side of the cliff mm-hmm <affirmative>, but then he falls down to the bottom and he lands in the same place as the, the overweight man, because through our own ability, we can’t do it. Like we, we need help. And, and Christians believe that that help comes from Jesus. And Jesus said, I am the way the truth in the life. No one comes to God, the father except through me, mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so we believe that that at the judgment seat, that Jesus will judge us and Muslims also believe that that the day of judgment is coming and Jesus will judge us. And so I, I guess my final question for you,

Tayyab (33:45):
We do not believe that Jesus will

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (33:46):
Judge us or that Jesus will.

Tayyab (33:49):
What do you believe? So he will come back on the judgment day. Yes. Okay. And that he will fight a battle for, for against basically he’ll fight a battle for Muslim sets and he’ll come back in a, of fight for what is right. We do not believe that once again, he, we believe that he’s human in the prophet of God. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, he doesn’t have the right to judge us. He’s not God, in, in our beliefs only God can judge us. So,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:12):
So God will judge us, but Jesus will be there at the day of

Tayyab (34:16):
Judgment. Yes, he will. Yes. And once again, we, we also believe as most that we are sinful by nature. The only weekend we can go to heaven is through the mercy and forgiveness of God. That’s why I mentioned the importance of repentance, because God has to forgive us to make, to allow us to go to heaven. We are sinful. God has made us this way, but because we are sinful, we have free will we, of the ability to, to, to when nothing else is working on, everything seems like it’s out of the world, like out of your re the entire world is out of your reach and all your goals and dreams are beyond you. Like, for example, in my, in my life where I had to go back to God, when nothing else was working out to, to get safety and to pray for myself and my family, I found purpose in God. I found hope God. And I believe personally that I, because, because I love God because I care for him. And because of that, I, I, I, I, because of his amazingness, I believe in him that I, I, I will also in the future. I’m hopeful that I might, if I’m, if I’m good enough, I’ll go to heaven.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:20):
And so what, what response do you think that God will give to you on that day of judgment?

Tayyab (35:30):
That’s a question that I wish I knew the answer to 22 years ago, but today we are still, we’re trying to find out it’s, it’s, it’s a divine question. Like we asked.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:40):
And so you leave it in the hands of

Tayyab (35:42):
ALA. Yes. And like, if we can, at, we can ask a lot of things about life, you know, questions that we not never get the answers to. Like, how does God look like? Or how do we know, okay, okay. Why isn’t God doing this? Or why is this like this? Or what is, is good and what is right. See, these are questions that we might never know the answer to, or how, like how many species are there in the universe. It’s like things that humans don’t know yet, but God knows everything. And just like this question about my life and my future, if I’m gonna heaven or hell, I’ve trusted it upon God, because I love God. And I’m, I’m sure he loves me as well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:16):
Well, I believe he does love you. Well, thank you so much for being on the podcast with me. I think some of your answers will really help people to understand Islam more. So, so thank you so much for your insight. I

Tayyab (36:31):
Appreciate it. Thank you for having me on this podcast. It’s been an absolute pleasure. And once again out wanna give my greatest of gratitude from Mr. Daniel and the rest of his family for making us feel at home at safe here in the us. And just make sure that you take care of one, another guys, humans. We are social beings and we need each other and we find purpose and faith. And sometimes we’re reminded of the beauty of faith through one another. Just make sure you help one another byebye. Thank

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:58):
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Escape from Afghanistan

When the Taliban took over Afghanistan, many Afghans were forced to flee for their lives. Thousands of Afghans crowded around the Kabul airport and begged to be evacuated. Only a few were allowed to leave. Today you will hear the heart breaking story of one refugee that we were able to help escape from Afghanistan.

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Transcript: 

Daniel King (00:00):
When the Taliban took over Afghanistan, many Afghans were forced to flee for their lives. Thousands of Afghans crowded around the cobble airport and begged to be evacuated. Only a few were allowed to leave today. You’ll hear the heartbreaking story of one refugee that we were a able to help escape from Afghanistan.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:24):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be say, welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interview full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Danielle King.

Daniel King (01:00):
Welcome to the podcast. My name is Daniel King and today I have a special guest with me from the nation of Afghanistan. Thank you for joining me.

Tayyab (01:10):
Hello? Hello, Ms. Daniel King. My name is Tayyab. My friends call me T and it’s been a pleasure to be on this podcast.

Daniel King (01:16):
Well, thank you so much for being here with me. My family has Afghanistan for many years. My grandparents actually worked in Afghanistan back in the 1950s, and my mother was born in cobble Afghanistan. And so she has grown up loving Afghanistan. She actually lived there until she was eight years old. And when I was a kid, I remember my mom used to talk about Afghanistan all the time. We would pray for the people of Afghanistan every single day. We would be praying for Afghanistan, even back then. People didn’t even know where Afghanistan was on the map, but we knew because my mom loved Afghanistan so much. And then 12 years ago, my father and mother moved to the of Afghanistan and began to work there. And one of the things that they did was to, to start a, a school. And you actually were at the school. Can you tell me a little bit about

Tayyab (02:15):
That? Yes. It was quite a big, big pleasure to work with Mr. And Mrs. King, who were your parents? They had founded the school and it was a school that gave me a world of new opportunities as a young teenager who was trying to pursue education with all the other doors being locked. Mr. King was one of the divine gifts that I received in Afghanistan with his family by giving me a job opportunity as a teacher, I was able to serve and help people while simultaneously, simultaneously helping myself by pursuing my gift of education. And that was through an online medium. So I’m very, very thankful to have been gifted that opportunity to help people from individuals with ADHD, to just normal, everyday Afghans that were just wanting and were very loved. The gift of education. I just wanted to be a part of that movement with the Bahar movement. How did

Daniel King (03:04):
You originally meet my parents?

Tayyab (03:07):
I was part of a, an American school funded by U S a I D in Cobal Afghanistan by the name of the international school of Kabal and the staff was predominantly foreigners and Mr. And Mrs. King were one of the parents of a teacher by the name of Mr. Mr.

Daniel King (03:23):
David King, Mr. David was a teacher there. Yes. And then he actually married a girl who was an art teacher at the school. Her name is Leslie. And so now David and Leslie live in chiro Egypt mm-hmm <affirmative> and they, they teach at

Tayyab (03:37):
A school there. Yes. And I’m, I was very, very surprised, but very, very happy for the two of them, cuz they were just an amazing match of very good people. Miss Listly is an amazing, amazing human being. And so is Mr. Mr. David K

Daniel King (03:48):
A great, great, great. I can see he was a great friend of yours. Okay. So my parents were, were there in Afghanistan. They, they had this school many different students came to the school and you were, were one of the teachers. My mother actually died and went to heaven in April. And so she was loved by many of the Afghan people. What are some memories that you have of my mother? How, how did she impact your life? Well, first

Tayyab (04:15):
Of all Mrs. King was an amazing human being. And I know personally in my heart that she is in heaven. And one of my great memories from Mrs. King is when, at the end of the school days, when all the students would be gathered in the hallway, Mrs. King would help say the Bahar Moto, which was Bahar is our school. Bahar is a new beginning. Bahar is excellent and Bahar is fun. And she would say in a he huge amount of energy every single time. And we would feel just welcomed around her, just whenever I needed her help with transferring money from my, from my academic work or anything along those lines or buying textbooks online, she was always there to help and serve my people and just humanity in general. And I feel like us here coming to the states has been Mr. King’s way of just appreciating and honoring miss Mrs. King’s passing and her love from my people. And so Mrs. King, she might not know it, but just me being here in there in here in the states is because of her. And I truly did love her from the bottom of my heart. And I know she is in peace and she’s in heaven right now.

Daniel King (05:18):
Yeah. My mother was a great woman. I, I think everything that I know came because of her love for God and her love for people. And then her love for me as a, as a son. And I was so proud of both of my parents working in Afghanistan, sometimes very dangerous situations, but my mom and dad were there because they, they loved the people of AF Afghanistan. So in August a great tragedy happened in Afghanistan. Yes. The, the Taliban government began to take over Afghanistan and then on August 15th, the they officially took over the, the city of cobble and because of the, the Taliban strictness, a lot of people wanted to get out of Afghanistan. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And, and so tell me a little bit about why people were maybe scared of, of the Taliban, why they didn’t wanna stay there in Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Tayyab (06:20):
This was not the first time that Taliban had taken control over Afghanistan. This was an occurrence that happened within two decades, two, two decades ago, Taliban had come and now it was just their coming again. And so people had seen the principles that they believed in. They’re very tyrannical individuals that follow extremely conservative laws in the, in the name of their faith. And I personally do not believe that there are people of their faith because I am personally a Muslim and that the principles that they follow is not in a accordance to the Muslim faith. So things that they would do is just like prevent women from pursuing education. Just day to day free will was taken away basically from people because people had to follow very strict rules on a daily basis religious rules, or just some random social norms, like not being able to even interact with people of the other gender women not being allowed to go to work things that were just absolutely out of the ordinary. And people did not see lives continuing in this path because they, they had realized what their rights are and they’re willing to fight for them. So everybody wanted to get out the country until this place was safe once again.

Daniel King (07:28):
And so you wanted to escape from Afghanistan. I think that the, the fall of Afghanistan happened very quickly. Like no one thought that the tele on would take over so quickly, certainly here in the United States, everyone thought that that the Taliban maybe would fight in the Southern provinces mm-hmm <affirmative>, but when they began to take over cobble, yeah. Suddenly everyone became very concerned and everyone saw on the news, there were airplanes taking off and people were actually hanging onto the outs side of the airplane and fall off the airplane. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and thousands of people rushed the airport, just trying to get on any airplane in order to leave. And, and really the whole situation was extremely chaotic, a great tragedy. Many people were hurt and some people were even killed. And you were there right in the of it. Tell me about what

Tayyab (08:21):
Happened. So three weeks before the actual coming of the Taliban, we saw it happening. It was becoming a reality on a daily basis. We saw it becoming a reality two years ago, but we never saw it as an actually happening. We, we had hope we had hope, but three weeks before the 31st of August, the fall of the Afghan government provinces start falling on a daily basis. And every single day we heard another province had fall. Another province had fallen. And before we knew within three weeks, the capital was in, in risk of falling to the terrorists. And we were, we were hopeful that our government would make a last effort to protect our people and the government, but that’s not what happened. They surrendered the entire country on the 31st of August. And that was the most difficult day of our lives because we saw our country, a country that we had fought for for the peace of, for the last two decades to new coming of our country, for peace in our country.

Tayyab (09:16):
We saw it fall. As a matter of fact, I, I was part of a protest that I was leading just the week before the fall of cobble, where I let 20,000 people streaming and chanting just for a better Afghanistan, just hail Afghanistan or God help Afghanistan. And it was my way of just fighting from my country when nobody else believed in, in my country, it did not make a difference. Within a week. My country had fallen. We had terrorists in our doorstep and there were specifically threatening multiple individuals that had worked with foreigners, myself included, and was fortunate enough to get out of the country. And I tried various ways, but all my personal mediums of trying to get out Afghanistan, such as applying for visas and scholarships online, none of them were fruitful. And so the only medium which was left left was my faith.

Tayyab (10:06):
And I am a person of faith, I believe in God. And that I just sat down. I put my prayer mat on the ground and I pray towards God like, God, Hey, I’m sorry. I’m not the best of your creations. I know I need your help once in a while. And today is one of those days, I request that you use your divine powers to help ring me out of this country, because I believe that you’re great. And if you believe my purpose out of this country, so I can serve your people out of here and to become a better version of myself and eventually come back in this country and serve my people, please help me get out. And within the next day or so I go had a call from Mr. Robert King, your father and he informed me that there’s a one, a million chance, basically that we’re able to evacuate Afghans from the cobble airport.

Tayyab (10:46):
And he told me to get my stuff packed up and head towards the airport. And so the next morning at seven o’clock and got another phone call from Mr. King. And he said, head towards the airport. There’s other fellow friends of ours there on this institution from Bahar. So I get down from the car, it’s a half an hour, right to the airport. And I see 10,000 people in line stiff together, stuck together. And there wasn’t even room to get in line. Everybody was unable to sit down, move, move around, do whatever. And I saw some famili, a familiar face in this. And so it was one of our fellow teachers. And so we decided to believe, we decided to believe that that God has our purpose beyond this area and there’s difficulties and challenges here, but we can push through. So there was three checkpoints, the first two checkpoints being terrorist checkpoints, and the third being a international forces at that point, British forces checkpoint.

Tayyab (11:36):
So it took us two days, two full days, 48 hours standing and getting beat, getting pushed around, getting hit, getting whipped, but we still believed we still believed we pushed through the first checkpoint within 12 hours or so the next checkpoint again, behind 5,000 people, another 24 hours or so within the second checkpoint. And a third checkpoint took us like eight, 10 hours, this in a cramped up area, the size of a, a shipping container stuffed in 200 people, basically all of us trying to just tell the soldiers to help us get out. And we just told to wait. And, and so we waited and we sat down and we just, we, we were continuing to believe. We continued to believe. And eventually Mr. King had, and Mrs. King Ms. Esther king, who is your sister had was able to get in touch with individuals inside the airport.

Tayyab (12:25):
And they were able to send us a, a team of five seals and help evacuate us. And we did not have papers. We not have anything that made us a proper candidate to get out of the country, but God’s purpose for us was beyond our country at that point in time. And so we believed, and once again, we believed and we got past the checkpoints. We stood in line behind a thousand people to get on a plane. We got on a plane for a cargo plane where 600 people were stuffed inside the cargo, but we still with the difficulties. We still believed we still got through. And we got a full flight to Qatar, Germany, where Qatar to Qatar. And then from Qatar, we were at Qatar for overnight. Unfortunately there was no beds available for me and my friends, but we slept on the ground. I slept on, on concrete, but the fact that I was safe and that there was a process underway, I believed, I believe, and we all believe we still kept pushing. Next morning, we got a fly to Germany. We stayed in Germany for eight days. K started in Germany where there was an American army base. Unfortunately, the conditions there weren’t the best especially when it came to food and just facilities that were available there. I personally lost eight pounds within eight days, but <affirmative>,

Daniel King (13:35):
I’m glad that they helped because the food was not the food sufficient.

Tayyab (13:38):
Yeah. They did not give us food. They starved us to, to keep it candid

Daniel King (13:42):
And on the cargo plane there, there’s just it open there’s no seat seats.

Tayyab (13:47):
No, no seats whatsoever. Just like I mentioned, it’s just a cargo plane for moving vehicles and tanks and stuff. There’s stuffed in us in inside a cargo plane with 600 of people, but we’re refugees. We understood that. That’s a part of the process, I guess. And so after Germany, which took eight days, eventually we were able to get out Germany. We got a flight to Washington DC, which is a transit flight, a transit flight. And from DC, we got to New Mexico to another flight where we stayed in a refugee base. And you went

Daniel King (14:14):
To Fort yes. There in New Mexico, right? With El Paso and, and New Mexico border. And what’s really interesting is that my family had actually lived in El Paso for 20 years. And my sister melody was there. And she greeted you at the refugee camp there. Yes. In New Mexico. And, and so it’s really a may my, my father and I were here in Tulsa, Oklahoma, we were on the phone trying to do everything we could to help you. And the other teachers from the school get out. And even some of the students, yes. We knew that your lives were potentially in danger. And so my, my father was calling every person. He knew mm-hmm, <affirmative> trying to make contacts with the, the United States state department with the, the different entities within the state department. My sister Esther is actually running for Congress in the 17th district of Illinois.

Daniel King (15:15):
And so, because she’s running for Congress, she knows lots of politicians. Yes. And so she was on the phone talking to various senators and Congress people asking them, what can you do to help these Africans? These are friends of my family. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> their lives and are in danger. If they stay there are going to be killed. And, and my sister Esther is also in the military reserves, the army reserves. Yes. And, and so she was actually had some friends that were military there at the airport in cobble and was able to call them and, and, and we were doing everything we could to help you, but like the first day, nothing worked second day, nothing worked by the third day, we were desperate. We, we also were praying and saying, God help us. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> help these Afghans that, that my mother cared so much about. And we really think that it is a huge miracle that God helped you. It is to, to rescue you. And it, it is because God, as a purpose and a plan for your life, that that’s greater than yourself, that, you know, God has something great for you to do in life. And I think it’s just so traumatic what everyone who got out went through, like, what were you feeling in the midst of that? What was going through your head?

Tayyab (16:35):
This is an interesting question. And the answer, the, the initial answer would be, I was feeling that there is hope, hope for me to, to get to a, a level of safety and hope for my friends and my my family members, that there was still hope with than me. But the most overwhelming feeling was fear. You see fear, Mr. Daniel King fear is very powerful. It drives us to get for survival, but it also silences emotions. See, we saw people get killed in front of us. We were shot at, we were beaten. We felt no pain at that point in fi in time, we did not feel any mental impact. You’re not psychologically impacted immediately. We did not break down. We had one goal which was to get freedom. So fear pushed us fear, motivated us, fear, silenced everything. We didn’t care about the people beside us. At that point in time, we cared about our own lives. At that point in time, It just pushed us to a biological instinct, which reminds you to focus on yourself and survive no matter what, it was very, very upsetting. It was took a while for me to process all of this. When I got to safety, that it’s okay to not be afraid anymore, that I was safe. It’s the biggest gift that America has given me.

Daniel King (18:17):
I’m very grateful that America is welcoming so many Afghans with open arms. There, there are some here that maybe are scared of people from another culture or another religion, even different language group. But here in Oklahoma the governor has opened his arms and invited refugees to come. And so here in Tulsa there are scheduled to be 800. Yes, Afghan refugees who will be living here in Tulsa. And our family is delighted because we used to have to travel all the way across the world to meet Afghans. Now we can have good Afghan food right here in Tulsa, because God has brought Afghans who can cook Afghan food to us, you know? And so we’re, we’re super delighted. And, and, and so far, I think Oklahoma has really welcomed Afghan refugees. How have you been received since you arrived here in America?

Tayyab (19:26):
I have been received with open arms. I love the American people. I love them, truly people of Tulsa, <affirmative> Oklahoma in general, but specif Tulsa have been very, very, very welcoming. We’ve felt like we’re safe that we’re with family. They’ve checked up on us. They’ve made sure that EV every one of our needs are met. If it’s psychological, if it’s physical or just necessary food WiFi’s the smallest things like that. They’ve made sure that we are taken care of. They’ve also let us know that they can be a listening ear. If they need help, if we need help to process something, they will help us work through that. They’ve welcomed us to events. They’ve welcomed, welcomed us to their culture and have also also made us feel like proud of our own culture. Like we have never felt like we, we were unwelcome. We’ve never felt were we were different. We’ve just felt like we were, we were special in a positive light that we were friends from afar brothers and sisters from afar that were just back home, that we were, that we were welcomed. And as soon as we, we met people from different churches, different organizations, and each and every single one of them played a huge role. If it was praying for us, if it was monetary assistance, if it was just remembering us in their thoughts, that all mattered, we felt safe here. We felt welcomed.

Daniel King (20:44):
So what comes next for you now here? What are your hopes and your plans, your dreams for the future

Tayyab (20:52):
After coming to America and going through all of this? This is very difficult journey in my life. I’ve, I’ve, I’ve realized my purpose in life with my set of unique skills. I feel like God has a huge purpose for my it’s currently here in the states, but it will. It is eventually back home, 20 years from now, 25 years from now as me and you were discussing, discussing this afternoon, it is to go back home. You

Daniel King (21:17):
Want go back to Afghani. Why do you, why do you wanna go back? Because

Tayyab (21:21):
I believe that the gift of education, the gift that was passed on to me was the gift that completely transformed my in, in a better light. I want to go back home and build my own system of of schools and universities and pass on this light, this fire of education to other individuals, my people there’s talent back in Afghanistan. There is people still love their country while our flag might have been taken down. It still, it still flies how high in our hearts. We are Afghans. We are proud people. We love our country, and I believe we have a great, good, great future in hand. Well, today, many people might not believe in this dream of mine. I assure you, Mr. Daniel King, there is hope for Afghanistan and there’s people like me that are gonna change the country, bring it to a positive direction, give a big part of it is giving the people the gift of education. It will make them realize what they truly are, how much their value is and how they can as Afghans. And then as human beings completely transform the world.

Daniel King (22:29):
Well, as an American, I want to welcome you with open arms to our nation. We are happy that you are here, and I believe that God will do great things in your life. God has a great plan for your life. And I also share your dream for a peace Afghanistan. For many years, our family has prayed for there to be peace in Afghanistan. And for the last 40 years there every day, there has been very little peace, but someday I believe there will be peace in Afghanistan and the Afghan people will be great in the eyes of the world. And so I’m so delighted that you’re here. Thank you. It’s been an honor for, for being with me on this podcast. And what would you say to Americans who maybe would meet in Afghan or see an Afghan at the store? What, what would you say to them that should do to, to welcome Afghans

Tayyab (23:33):
Fellow Americans and anybody else? Who’s listening to his podcast. I, as an Afghan am one of your brothers, a long lost brother, and there’s your long lost brothers and sisters that have come across the world in hopes that you guys will assist them and help them to at attain attain a level of a level of safety and peace. Welcome them, give them a hug, make sure that they are reminded that they’re safe here and that you love them. We have had a very difficult life with last 40 years, and we’re hoping the next 40 is gonna be a peaceful one, a one with smiles, a one with warmth of family and care. Each one of you can make this difference in their hearts and their lives be that difference for that person. Thank you.

Daniel King (24:20):
Thank you so much for being with me. It’s great to have you here.

Tayyab (24:23):
Thank you, Mr. King.

Daniel King (24:25):
Thanks so much for listening to the podcast today, our ministry is helping Afghan refugees resettle here in the United States. The Afghans need houses, transportation, education, and many other things in order to succeed in this nation. If you want to help an Afghan refugee, you can do so by king of donation@wwwdotkingministries.com. Thank you so much for your generosity and thank you for helping us to help these beautiful Afghan people who have come to our nation for more

Evangelism Podcast Host (24:59):
Information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

 

Vision for a New Year

Do you have a vision for your life? What are you aiming for in your ministry? What are you aiming for in your relationships? What do you want to accomplish in life? Where do you want to be in five years? What will God do in your life in 2022?

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Transcription: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
It’s a new year and it’s time for new vision. Do you have a vision for your life? What are you aiming for in your ministry? What are you aiming for in your relationships? What do you wanna accomplish in life? Where do you want to be in five years today, we’re going to talk about the importance of vision in your ministry.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:25):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be say, welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Danielle King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:00):
Welcome. Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. We are talking about vision and I am joined by my brand new co-host and fellow evangelist, Daniel Patterson, Daniel, thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me on. And we are going to be talking about vision. It is right at the beginning of a new year, 2022. And at the beginning of a new year is a good time to stop and to kind of start to think about what God has for you in the new year. A lot of people set new year’s solutions, and I, I think that the biblical form of new year’s resolutions is vision setting a vision for your life. So, so Daniel, if you aim at nothing, you’ll hit it every time. So if you aim at nothing in life, you’re gonna hit nothing. But if you aim at a specific target, God will help you to hit the target. And so there’s a verse in Habakkuk two verse two that talks about the importance of vision. Could you read for us that verse in, in, in let’s find out what God’s word says about setting vision? Yeah, so

Daniel Patterson (02:21):
It says in a Habakkuk 2:2 this then the Lord replied, write down the revelation or vision and make it plain on tablets so that a Herald may run with it

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:34):
And keep reading

Daniel Patterson (02:35):
For the revelation of awaits an important time. It speaks of the end and will not prove false though. It linger, wait for it. It will certain come and will not delay.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:46):
So it says to write the vision and make it plain, write the vision and make it plain that he who reads it may run with it. So, Daniel, talk to me a little bit. Why do you think it’s important to write down a vision?

Daniel Patterson (03:04):
So I graduated from victory Bible college just in this last spring. And one of the things they taught us and told us was that if you just think about it, then the likely chance that you do is very, very, but if you actually write it down, you actually remember, and the chances of you actually doing it are much higher. So whenever you write it down and it actually goes into your heart and you think about it a lot more compared to just thinking

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:31):
About it. So there’s actually a lot of power in, in writing it down. You know, I want you imagine in Archer, who’s shooting his, his bow. And so if he aims right at the center of his target, he can judge his success and failure, depending on how close he gets to the middle of the target. But just imagine if he aims his arrow at nothing in particular, you know, the arrow might hit a tree, it might hit a house. It might hit a, a passer by. And so some people, they, they shoot an arrow and then wherever it falls, they go and they just draw a circle around the area and see, see, look, I hit the middle of the target, but if you have a specific target in mind that you’ve written down and you aim your arrow at the target, then it allows you to lift your bow down side to side, to move it so that you can actually hit the target that you’re aiming at.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:27):
And the process of writing it down is setting the target. What area are you aiming your life at? And so in my life, the area that I’m aiming my life is to winning people to Jesus. I am called to be an evangelist. And so I set a goal when I was 15 years old, that I wanted to lead a million people to Jesus before I turned 30 years of age. And that goal became kind of the, the defining vision, the target for my life and every decision I made, I judged against that specific goal of leading a million people to Jesus. And, and so some opportunities came to me that helped me to achieve that goal. But then other opportunities came that would have distracted me. They, there were not necessarily bad things to do, but they wouldn’t helped me achieve that goal. And, and so just making that decision and writing it down, I wanna lead a million people to Jesus. Before I turn 30 years of age, it helped me to judge my success and help me to make the decisions that I had in life. And so in Proverbs chapter 29, verse eight 18, it says without a vision, the people per what, what do you think that verse means? Daniel?

Daniel Patterson (05:48):
So basically when you look at, you know, all, all the kingdoms and, and famous governments throughout history, where there was America, they had a vision to have a, a free Republic that the people had rights in. And they actually wrote the vision down in the 10 commandments. And because of it, it led to what we have today, a free democracy. And, and so whenever you have that vision, it helps lead to freedom for the people and it impacting other people. But whenever you don’t have a vision, it’s hard to, to build off anything. You don’t have a foundation when you don’t have a vision.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:20):
So if you’re listening to me today, I want you to begin to think about what God’s vision is for your life. You might even wanna pull out a piece of paper right now and begin to write down some of the, the visions that God has given for you. You know, putting a vision down on paper, earns it from a dream into a specific goal. And once you have that goal, it’s something that you can begin to aim towards and, and achieve in your life. Vision is God’s plan for your life. God gave you vision. So you wouldn’t have to live by only what you see. The Bible says that faith is the sub of things you hope to accomplish the evidence of things that you cannot see, even when other people maybe can’t see them. And you begin to write down your vision. You can see something in faith by faith.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:11):
You can see something using your faith even before other people can see it. And so vision is not the same sight. You know, sight is a function of the eyes, but vision is a function of the heart sight is the ability to see things as they are. Vision is the ability to see things as they could be. You know, Helen Keller, she was really famous. She was both deaf and blind, but she learned to communicate using sign language, but tactile sign language. She had communicate by touching people’s hands. And she was once asked, can you imagine something even worse than being born blind? And she said, the only thing worse than being born blind is being able to see and having no vision for your life. And so vision is seeing the future before it comes into being vision is a mental picture of your destiny.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:05):
Vision is the key to your future. And, and so we think about people in life that have great visions. Like for example Steve jobs, he was the one who invented the, the apple iPhone, and he had a vision or the iPhone before anyone else could see it. And he thought, I wonder if we could put a communication device together that would make phone calls that would allow you to listen to songs, and that could access the internet and put all those devices down into one device that would fit into a person’s pocket. And he managed to do it. He had a vision for an iPhone, and because of his vision, he got rich because everyone suddenly, when he, his vision came to fruition, they said, that’s some, that’s a gadget that I have to have. And, and so the same is true in ministry that your vision will create the future. It will create something that doesn’t exist. No one else can see it, but you can see it in your spirit. God gives us vision. And then by faith, we can be in working towards it. And what is on the inside can manifest in reality and, and everyone can see it. Daniel, what are some of the things that God has put in your heart that you would like to see God do in the future, in your life?

Daniel Patterson (09:30):
So one of the, one of the things that I know God’s called me as an evangelist, he is called me to preach a gospel to the nations. And I know that because he revealed it to me at 16 years of age. And, and because he’s revealed that to me, I’ve I, I’ve made a dream board putting pictures of crusades and stuff along those lines. And tell me,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:52):
Let’s stop there from a, tell me what is a dream board, what what’s a dream board. So

Daniel Patterson (09:57):
So I guess the Christian version of a dream board, cuz you’re gonna have a regular dream board. So it’s putting out through pictures and vision and in other things putting on a piece of paper or a board of what God’s called you to do. So if God’s called you to say, to be a youth, pastor you to pictures of maybe going on campuses and pictures of reaching kids in the church. But for me as an evangelist I’m putting pictures of pictures of crusades. So a dream board is putting into picture form of what God’s called you to do.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:34):
So you’re, you’re cutting out pictures of what it is. It’s basically creating a vision for your life. You’re, you’re putting that picture in front of you in whatever is your dominant focus is what will manifest into reality in your life. And, and so tell what did you put on your dream board that told you about your, your calling as an evangelist pictures? Did you put on there?

Daniel Patterson (10:58):
So there was a picture of Billy Graham who who’s my favorite Evangel. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:02):
Billy Graham, great Evangel. Yeah. You, you cut out a picture, Billy Graham

Daniel Patterson (11:05):
He’s preaching in a Soule, South Korea. Okay. And he’s preaching to a million people.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:10):
So I’ve seen that picture. Yeah. It’s a huge crowd of people. So here, Billy Graham is preaching to a, a million people. What did that vision begin to do in your life?

Daniel Patterson (11:22):
So it inspires me to to reach towards that goal of being an evangelist. And it gives me hope, cuz obviously right now I’m not preaching to a million people, but whenever I, I, I look at it it gives me hope knowing that and believing that one day it’s gonna happen. So it gives me hope. And inspiration.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:41):
Do you think that there will come a time where you will have the opportunity to preach to a million people?

Daniel Patterson (11:45):
Yes. In Jesus name <laugh>.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:47):
I mean, that would be amazing, wouldn’t it? And, and to preach to a million people and see a million people get saved at and one time, you know, there’s, there’s a famous story about Reinhardt bonky. Kenneth Copeland found Reinhardt bonky when he was just in the beginning stages of his ministry. At that time, he was, he was doing crusades, but his biggest crusade was only in the, the 10 to 30,000 people range, which is for Reinhard was still a very small crusade. And Kenneth Copeland prophesied over Reinhard and said, the day will come where you will lead a million people to Jesus in a single prayer. And at that time to go from 30,000 in a crowd to a million, it seems impossible, but that prophecy can came to pass. And the day came at one of the big crusades in Legos, Nigeria, that Reinhard bonky actually led a million people to Jesus in a single prayer.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:44):
And it came because of that prophecy, but really what a prophecy is, is it’s, it’s presenting a vision of the future of what God wants to, to do in the future. So vision is unique to our species. Only humans can enter the world of the imagination and create a future. This is the reason why humans have advanced over the centuries while animals live the same lives year after year animals, only what they can sense. You know, a dog, he, he can taste, he can touch, he can feel. But the unique ability that humans have is this ability to create vision in their, their mind. And then to begin to work towards that vision, we can actually dream beyond reality. We can work towards an invisible goal. We can harness the power of creative work creative vision and envision actually motivates us to work.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:43):
Really vision is, is the only motivation that we have for work. Why, why go to work well is because maybe you have a vision for earning money to buy a new car, or, or maybe you have a vision to, to get me married someday. You know that in order to get married, you’re gonna have to have some money in the bank. And, and, and so vision thinking about your future is what gives us the motivation to, to work hard. Vision is what motivates me in ministry to, to work hard, to, to lead people, to Jews, cuz I have a vision of thousands and even millions of people being in heaven with me. I don’t want them to go to hell. I have a vision of them joining with me in heaven. I have a vision of me being in heaven and people coming up and saying, thank you for helping to lead me to Jesus, thank you because of you I’m here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:29):
And so that vision gives me kind of the motivation to keep going. When, when things get tough and there are two types of vision that you can have for your life, there is a positive vision and there’s a negative vision. And your motivation for working is going to be grounded either in faith or in fear. So faith builds. Faith is a positive vision for your life. But fear think about it. Fear is actually a negative vision that Satan comes to try to give you for your life. And, and so Satan is the original terrorist. He uses terror and fear to try to influence people. So Satan has given people a vision in their life concerning COVID right now, what Satan’s vision it’s you’re gonna get sick. You’re going to die. And because of that fear, everyone in society has been so of COVID. But Jesus gives us a positive vision for our life. Jesus says, I give you healing. I give you health. I give you prosperity. And, and so he gives us faith. Talk to me a little bit, Daniel, about the difference between faith and fear. What do you think is the difference between faith and year?

Daniel Patterson (15:52):
Yeah, so we have a choice whenever as Christians, whenever we’re stepping into what God’s calls us to do, we can choose to have faith and believe what, what God’s called us to, or we can choose to believe in the fear. And so really we have a choice to believe in one of two options. And for me person leave, you might as well choose faith and believe and step out cuz either way, you’re gonna have to believe. And whenever you choose fear, you’re choosing to walk away from what God’s called you to do. You know, you can be saved, you can know Jesus and be on your way to heaven, but it says an Ephesians, you 10, that he, for us, what he called us to do before we were born. And so we have a choice to walk out the vision for our life or not. So faith

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:42):
Is believing that something good is going to happen to us if we do what’s right. So this is a positive vision of the future. And it’s very healthy to be motivated by faith, but fear, the opposite fear is the belief that something bad will happen to us. If we don’t do what’s right, and fear is binding and it’s it’s blinding. It actually causes us to, to do things out of, of obligation. And envision is so powerful. Like vision is the secret weapon of advertisers. Think about every advertisement. They don’t just show you the picture of a car. They show you the picture of you in a car with a beautiful girl driving fast down the road. They’re they’re trying to sell a vision of what your life could be like. If you buy a particular car in every advertiser, D does this, they try to, to show your young, successful, happy, sexy, and the advertiser wants you to see they.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:44):
They want you to see yourself using their product in order to, to be happy. And so they, they create a vision of what your life could be like with that product. And I think the same is, is true of God. God gives us a vision of what we could become with his help. And then as we begin to walk in that vision, then we begin to see it happen in our lives. And so there’s something called the law of dominant focus. Whatever you focus on is what’s going to develop in your life. Nowadays we have digital cameras, but in, in the old days, you know, they would take a picture and then you would develop the picture. It would be a, a negative. And, and then you would take the, the negatives and you’d develop it into a picture. And, and so if you take a picture of something, it, it can be a picture of a dog.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:42):
It can be a picture of a cat or a picture of a fish. Whatever you’re taking the picture of is what’s going to develop you when you take it. And so what you focus on in life is what will develop in your life. And so if you can’t see your future, you really don’t have a future. Vision is the power to change who you are and the power to change, where you’re going. Every great achievement in life actually began with a vision. And so my prayer is for you, who’s listening is that God would give you a great vision for your life in this coming year. What is your vision for your life? What is it that God is calling you to do in this new year? What, what goals, what resolutions are you going to set for this new year? What is 2022 going to bring in your life?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:36):
You know, what type of, of legacy do you want to create in your life? What, what do you want to be one year from now? What are some of the things that you want to, to see develop in, in your life? Just yesterday my wife and I sat down and started talking about some of our vision for our, our lives in this new year. And we broke it down into several different categories, the categories of faith, what goals do we wanna set for our lives in the area of faith? And one of the goals that we have is we wanna read the Bible. I want to be reading Bible stories to my kids every night before they go to bed. My wife said that she wants to spend more time worshiping. And then we’ve had a lot of stress and worry lately. And so one of my wife’s goals was she wants to shake off the cares of this world in this new year and, and to, to N not worry to, to live stress free. And so those are some of our, our goals in the area of faith, Daniel, what are some faith goals that you have for yourself in this coming year?

Daniel Patterson (20:42):
So one of them is the biggest thing is having a daily relationship with the Lord. So I wanna read the entire Bible this year. So I have a Bob reading plan, which breaks it down every single day. So I’m able to read it by the entire Bible by the end of the year. Another goal is just as I’m, as I’m here, is being prepared as an evangelist to, to go out and preach to the nations and, and being able to do behind the scenes stuff like websites and photography and fundraising and things like that. Another goal that I have this year is I wanna be able to either co co-partner with another evangelist or, or do a crusade for myself for the first time and, and bring people into the kingdom of God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:30):
All right. So then another area to set goals is family. We got faith, family, finances, friendship, fitness, fun, and then ministry. So family in, in our family, like one of the things we want is both of our kids to do daily piano practice. So that’s one of our family goals is that every single day that they would do piano practice and then that our kids would complete their chores and their homework every day that that’s a challenge sometimes as parents to get them to do that. And, and then in order to make that happen, we realize we need to have less screen time and we need to have more family time. And so we set a goal to, to have more walk games, bike rides, and, and outings as a family. So to take the kids away from the screen time and, and get them doing different activities.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:19):
And then finances we have some, some financial goals. And so you might wanna think about what are your financial goals for this year? What is it that, that you wanna do to you want to get out of debt? Do, do you want to make more money? Do you want to invest more money? And so some financial goals can help you make decisions for your life. Also friendship. What areas do you want to develop in as a friend fitness? What are some of your fitness goals? Well, Michael, I need to lose some weight. And so I’ve got that as a goal, very popular, new year’s resolution exercise more. Do you have any fitness goals? I

Daniel Patterson (22:56):
Tried to work out a few times a week, about four or five times a week, every morning.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:00):
That’s great. And then fun. My wife and I decide we should do at least one date every week. And so every Friday we’re gonna set aside time for us to have a and, and then ministry. We’ve got a variety of ministry goals. I’ve got a crusade coming up in Ethiopia and Zambia, and then we’re working on putting more crusades on the calendar. The goal is to do six to eight crusades every single year. So God gives us these visions for our life. And then we begin to work to, to implement them and to take steps towards completing the vision. And so right now, I want to pray for you and pray for the vision that God has given you for your life. I I’d encourage you find a sheet of paper, begin to write down some of your vision, some of your goals, some of the things that God has for you in your life.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:53):
And, and then let me just pray for you, dear heavenly father, I pray for my friend. I pray that you would give them a great vision for their life. I pray that you give ’em a great vision for this coming year of what this year could become. And Lord, I pray, my friend would be focused on the faith side of vision, not the fear side of vision that they would respond to God’s vision for their life, not the devil’s vision for their life. We know that the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy, but Jesus comes to give you life and life more abundantly. Lord, I pray that this coming year would be in amazing year in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:41):
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What is an Evangelist?

What is an evangelist? What does a Biblical evangelist do? What character in the Bible is a good example for the evangelist to follow? All these questions and more are answered in today’s podcast.

Join Daniel King’s online School of Mass Evangelism by clicking here: https://www.danielkingministries.com/evangelism 

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Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
What is an evangelist? What does an evangelist do? What character in the Bible is a good example for the evangelist to follow all these questions and more are answered in today’s podcast.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:15):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be safe. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:51):
Hello, this is Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. Are you called by God to be an evangelist? Do you want to lead million of people to Jesus? Do you desire to be trained in the practical side of building a ministry? I don’t know if you know this, but I have an online school of mass evangelism and I’ve taken all of my teachings, my videos, a lot of my raw writings, even several books that I haven’t even published yet. And I’ve put all this material into an online school, designed to train people who are called to be mass evangelist. You know, there’s several different types of evangelism. You have personal one on, on one evangelism. And I really believe in that. I think every single evangelist should be good at sharing the gospel one-on-one with people, but then there’s some people who are called to preach to masses of people, thousands and thousands of people.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:58):
And there’s not very much training material available for those who are called to mass evangelism. And so in today’s podcast episode, I want to take you behind the scenes into one of the sessions that I have recorded in my school of mass evangelism. By the way, if you wanna enroll in the school, you can find it at Daniel King ministries.com/evangelism, that’s Daniel King ministries.com/evangelism. You can also find links to the school at our ministry website, king ministries.com. And there’s lots of great material in there for anybody who’s called to be an, but on today’s podcast. I’m gonna take you behind the scenes to one of the sessions where I deal with the question, what is an evangelist? And I’m gonna look at the biblical meaning of the evangelist all the different times in the Bible that the evangelist has mentioned. And I’m also going to look at Philip, the evangelist, the only person in the whole Bible, who is specifically called an evangelist, and we’re gonna find out what we can learn from his story. So join me today and let’s find out what is an evangelist?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:23):
What is an evangelist? The word evangelist actually comes from the Greek word Angus, which comes from the root word Ang Elon, which is the word for gospel ends. So this word Ang Gallion comes from the Greek word onus. And so you might be familiar with the word S we have it in Spanish, and you may have heard of the city of Los Angeles. It comes from that word. Los Angeles means the angels. The word onus means angel or messenger. And so the rule root word of the evangelist is a messenger. Someone who brings a message and the picture in the Greek is of a person who is a runner, and he’s been in a big battle and their side has won a great victory against the in. And so the king calls this runner and says to him, I want you to run back to our home city.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:27):
And I want you to tell the people that are anxiously waiting, the outcome is about, I want you to tell them that we have won a great victory. And so this guy starts running just as fast as he can. He’s he’s running. He is the marathon runner and, and he gets back to their home city and he’s just breathing as hard as can be. And they’re like, what’s what happened? Did we win? Did we lose? You know, are we all gonna die? Are we gonna be taken into slavery? You know what happened? Everyone’s there around him, anxiously waiting. He’s trying to catch his breath. And then he shouts out the good news. He says, Hey, we won the victory.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:03):
And so that is the picture of the evangelist. The evangelist is someone who comes and says, Hey, guess what? The enemy has been defeated. Satan has no more power anymore. We have won the victory. And so that is the picture of the evangelist. And so the word evangelist is mentioned three times in the Bible. I wanna look at these three times that the evangelist has mentioned the first passage, which I know you’re familiar with is Ephesians chapter four, verse 11. And this is the, the verse that talks about the fivefold ministry gifts. It says it was Jesus who gave some to be apostles, some, to be prophets, some, to be evangelists, praise the Lord, and some to be pastors and teachers to prepare God’s people for works of service so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the son of God and become mature attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:08):
And so you’ll notice here in this passage, you’ve got five ministry gifts. You got the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors, and the teacher. And, and so the, the evangelistic gift is, is one of the, the fivefold ministry gifts. And of course there are other ministry gifts besides these five, in other parts of Paul’s writings, he talks about the gifts of administration gifts of encouragement, just different gifts that are available. But the evangelist, I think is one of those key gifts that are definitely needed in the body of Christ. And unfortunately, the evangelistic gift right now is weak in the body of Christ. And I don’t know quite why that is, but you know, like back in the forties and fifth, these here in America, we had some really great evangelist that was during the voice of healing movement.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:03):
You had people like, Oral Roberts, like RW Schambach like AA Allen, like William Branham that were traveling around bridge. And they really flowed really strong in the evangelist gift, but it seems like we’ve entered a new period where now probably the strongest gift is the, the role of the pastor, the, the, the pastor of a church. And I think that it’s good that the pastor is strong, but I think that the evangelistic gift also needs to be strong in the body of Christ. The second place where the evangelist is has mentioned is second Timothy chapter four, verse five.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:46):
This is Paul giving advice to a spiritual son, Timothy. He says, but you keep your head in all situations and do her hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. And so here, Paul is giving Timothy advice. He says, do the work of evangelist. Now at this time, Paul was actually a pastor. He was the pastor of the church in Ephesus was, was probably would be considered a megachurch back in those days. Mary mother of Jesus had moved to ESUs. Many of the apostles made their home there. There are probably 20,000 believers in Ephesus and, and Tim was serving as their pastor. And so even though he’s a pastor, Paul specifically tells him do the work of an evangelist. And so this tells me that every single one of the ministry gifts should do the work of an evangelist.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:42):
We found that there is a, the gift or the office of the evangelist, but there’s also something that every single believer is called to do. And we find that command in the great commission, mark 16, 15 says, go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. That command is not just given to a select few it’s given to every disciple of Jesus. How many of your disciples of Jesus? That means that you’re called to do the work of an evangelist. Now, one thing you’re going to discover when we’re down in the nation of Haiti, is that doing the work of an evangelist involves lots of work. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative>, it’s gonna be hot. You’re gonna be sweaty. You’re gonna get tired. We’re, we’re gonna work you as hard as we can, cuz we’re only there for one week and we want to make it hard for people to go to hell from Haiti that week that we’re there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:32):
Amen. We don’t want a single person in Haiti to go to. And so we’re gonna work you as hard as we possibly can. You’re gonna wake up early, pray hard, work, hard minister, hard, go to bed late, and we’re gonna have a little bit of fun while we’re doing it. And so it’s gonna be great but just just know that it it’s hard work. And so sometimes when people look at the Evangel and think, oh, you know, it’s it, they’re the ones that it up in front of a big crowd. And they preach the people, you know, he preaches for 45 minutes. How hard could that be? But really doing that is only the tip of the iceberg. It’s probably only about 10% of the work. There’s a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes of what it means to be an evangelist.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:13):
And, and so all the, that gets the people there, that’s hard work doing all the, the team coordination and all that stuff. That’s hard work. And then probably one of the, the biggest works that the Evangel has to do is to raise money in, in order to do it really honestly, anybody can preach is not hard to preach. What’s hard is paying for the platform that you’re preaching on. And, and so I think that that’s an area that we all need to grow on, grow in is, is raising money and, and getting peop other people involved and having the money in to be able to do the ministry that God has called us to do. And so we’ll be talking about that some more later on today. So Paul tells Timothy to do the work of the evangelist and then in acts chapter 21, verse eight, the last time that an evangelist is mentioned is specifically calling Philip an evangelist X 21 verse eight says leaving the next day, we reached Caesarea and stayed at the house of Philip, the evangelist, one of seven, he had four unmarried daughters who prophesied.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:31):
And so of all the people in the Bible only Philip is specifically called and to evangelist. He worked in this ministry as an evangelist. Now the fact that the word for evangelist is only mentioned three times is not meant to demean the office of the evangelist. The title of Bishop is only used three times. Deacon is found twice and amazingly given the current prominence of the position in the body of Christ, the word pastor only occurs one time in the entire Bible. Do you know where it’s found? We just read it a minute ago in Ephesians, the, the that’s the only play is the word pastor has found now that the concept of being a shepherd to people is found in more places, but the word pastors only found once. And so the root word for evangelist is Ang Gallion, which is the Greek word for gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:26):
And this word is actually used 74 times in the new Testament. And then the, the verb form is used in additional 52 times. And so Jesus is actually the first evangelist in the new Testament. Since it says that he went about preaching the good news, the Ang Gallion of the gospel. And so he preached the good news. Therefore he functioned in this office as an evangelist and even the angels went, they proclaimed that Jesus had been born. They proclaimed good news. That was great joy to all the people. And so if that word, good news again is the word Ang Gallion. And even the early church was full of evangelists. And in acts eight four, it says that they preached the word wherever they went. So they went about preaching. God’s word, evangelists are in rare supply, but we need more evangelists. I, I think sometimes the evangelistic gift has been misunderstood in the body of Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:22):
Some people think that the evangelist is just an itinerant preacher, either. You’re a pastor and you got a place where you preach every week, or if you not a pastor, then they call you an evangelist and you to, as you’re, you’re a traveler. And so it is true that the evangelist is called to travel, but not every traveling minister functions in the office, some people they travel and they preach, and their primary focus is on helping people to have healthy marriages. Well, that’s a good message. That’s a good thing to preach. Having a healthy marriage is something the body of Christ needs, but someone who primarily preaches on marriages, isn’t an evangelist. Some people travel and teach on finances and, and teach about seed faith and, and giving and that type of thing. And so a lot of them call themselves evangelists, but they’re not true evangelists.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:13):
The office of the evangelists, the primary focus of the, the office of the evangelist is to get lost people saved. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, that is the focus of the evangelist. And that should be your focus if, if you’re called to be in evangelist evangelists are not just preachers looking for a meeting sometimes at a pastor’s conference, you know at Ram they’ve got the, the, the great winter Bible seminar. And, and so sometimes, you know, all the pastors come and, and they try to stay away from the evangelists cuz they think the evangelists are just coming and trying to look for, for a meeting. But the true evangelist is not just looking for a meeting. The true evangelist is looking for a lost soul. And then some people have gotten confused about the evangelist because they, they think that any TV, preacher is an evangelist.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:05):
In fact, they call them televangelist. And when you hear the word televangelist, you get this picture of someone with a lick back hair and I got this gold suit on and they said, send me your money, send me your money now. You know? And, and, and so a lot of people go on TV and say, we’re reaching the world, but they’re not really reaching the world. They’re just asking people for money. And unfortunately that’s given a bad name to the evangelist, but I think that it’s time for the evangelist gift to rise back up in the body of Christ. We need more evangelists and, and, and so the evangelist is one who preaches the good news. What is an evangelist? The evangelist leads the loss to Christ. The evangelist, equips equips, the saints for evangelism. The evangelist reaches out to both individuals and multitudes evangelists preach the simple gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:59):
They don’t preach the latest, greatest brand new flavor of the week. Sometimes people are always looking for the brand new message, something that no one’s ever heard before, but really the evangelist focuses on the simple gospel. What gospel it’s that we’re all sinners. Jesus died for our sin, Jesus rose from the dead and everyone who calls on Jesus can be saved from their sin. And that’s very basic. And, and, and there’s a lot of different ways of saying that, but the more simple it is, the easier it is for lost people to understand and to come to Christ. Another sign of the evangelist is signs and wonders. Healing. Miracles. Evangelists are a shining light in the midst of a dark world. They’re like spiritual obstetricians who give birth to new believers. They are the advertising agency of God’s kingdom. The evangelists are like the elite Navy seals who are the first to head into enemy territory.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:56):
They’re like shock troops on the front lines of the battle for lost souls. They are farmers who are focused on plowing ground sewing seeds and reaping a harvest. And so if you can imagine the, the battles that the United States has fought like for example we invaded Iraq in the, the first Gulf war. The Navy seals went in under cover of night. They were the first ones to land and they had specific missions to fulfill. They, they had to go in, blow up certain things, attack certain areas get, take over some of the radar sites. I mean they, and they snuck in and, and they were the first, they were the elite they’d been trained. And so that is the job of the evangelist. The evangelist doesn’t sit around where it’s comfortable. The evangelist is often the first one to go into an area before the apostle, before the pastor, before there’s any churches there, the evangelist is the one who goes in and, and makes an impact before anybody else can come.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:01):
And, and he’s like the, he opens the door for the gospel to start breaking forth in an area. I all right. Let’s look at the office of the evangelist in the new Testament. And so the only person in the new Testament who specifically called an evangelist is Philip. And so let’s look at the life of Philip. The first time he’s mentioned is in acts chapter six versus is one through seven. It says in those days when the number of disciples was increasing the Greason Jews among them complained against the Hebraic Jews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food. So the 12 gathered all the disciples together and said it would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables, brothers choose seven men from amongst you who are known to be full of the spirit and wisdom.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:55):
We will turn this responsibility over to them and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word, this proposal, please, the whole group. They chose Steven, a man full of faith and of the holy spirit, also Philip, and then six other people or five other people. They presented these men to the apostles who prayed and laid their hands on them. So the apostles, the, the 11 apostles plus the replacement for Judas, the 12 apostles, they were so busy preaching the word that they’re also trying to feed all the widows, feed all the people, the hungry. And so apparently one group of widows wasn’t getting the food they should have been getting. And the apostles they decided, you know, we need to be focused on studying God’s word, preaching, God’s word. And they said, we need some people that would be willing to serve.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:48):
And so they looked around and found people that were full of holy spirit that were willing, that were full of wisdom. And so Philip met all of these requirements. Philip was full of the holy spirit. He was full of wisdom and he was willing to be used by God and noticed that his ministry started with him being a servant. He, he just found a plea place to serve, just bringing food to the widows. And I think this is where a lot of ministries get started. In fact, every healthy ministry, this is where they get started. And I think it’s very important to continually keep that heart of a servant throughout ministry and, and be willing to do whatever it takes to get the, a job done. A lot of people wanna be, you know, the, the big man on stage, but really God is looking for people who are willing to reach out to the cripple who are willing to help serve the food, willing to clean the toilets.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:49):
And God’s looking for that type of person. Apparently Philip was that type of person. So that’s where his ministry got started. And then the next time we see Philip at work is in acts chapter eight. Verse one on that day, a great persecution broke out against the church at Jeru and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria. So acts one eight, Jesus gave the promise, but you shall receive power after the holy spirit comes upon you and you shall be witnesses onto me and Jerusalem Juda Samaria into the uttermost ends of the earth. So Jesus gave them the specific command and acts one eight, and it takes all, all the way until acts eight, chapter one chapter eight, verse one for that command to start to be fulfilled up until acts chapter eight. All of the disciples are in Jerusalem.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:39):
Everybody that’s getting saved is in Jerusalem. They stand in Jerusalem, but suddenly this great persecution breaks out and people begin to scatter all, all over. So they go to Judea, they go to Samaria and then eventually we’ll see that they end up at the uttermost ends of the earth. And so godly men buried Stephen and mourn deeply for him. You remember that he was, he was stoned, but Saul began to destroy the church going from house to house. He dragged off men and women and put them in prison. Then verse four, those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went. Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Christ there. When the crowds heard Philip and saw the miraculous signs, he did, they all paid close attention to what he said with shrieks evil spirits came outta many in many paralytics and cripples were healed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:29):
So there was great joy in that city. So it says that Philip went down to Samaria. Samaria was full of Samaritans, who didn’t really get along with Jews now in John chapter four, Jesus ministered to the Samaritan woman and the whole village there got saved and, and, and were excited about Jesus. And so apparently there were some that heard about Jesus, but Jesus had given the command go to Samaria. Well, no one had gone until Philip went there. And so Philip goes down. He starts preaching among the Samaritans and look at what he did. He proclaimed crime there. And so the work of the evangelist is to proclaim Christ, to preach Jesus. That is the primary message of the evangelist. There’s many different things that people can preach on. You can preach on faith. You can preach on marriage. You can preach on finances.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:26):
You can preach on seven reasons why Jesus is coming soon, you know, but really the, the, the focus of the evangelist is preaching Christ. Jesus said, if I be lifted up, I will draw all man onto me. And so it says that when the crowns heard Philip and saw the miraculous signs, he did, they all paid close attention to what he said. And so here we have two different characteristics of the evangelistic ministry. First of all, is multitudes. And second is miracles. And so I believe anytime someone is operating in an Evangel, you’re gonna see multitudes and you’re gonna see miracles. And so I’m believing that we’re gonna see both when we’re in the nation of Haiti, we’re gonna see multitudes of people coming, and we’re gonna see great miracles. And it’s because there’s a specific anointing on the evangelist to do that to see miracles happen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:25):
I think that God uses miracles in order to draw people to, to hear the good news. Marilyn Hickey told me that miracles are the dinner bell that draw people to the banqueting table of heaven. And then notice, it says with shrieks, evil spirits came outta many, many paralytics and cripples were healed. And, and so the evangelistic gift is also given to confront demonic powers. And so he counts demons, outta many people. And then it says there was great joy in that city. And, and so this is another characteristic of the evangelistic. Many industry is it brings great joy. We were in the nation of India doing a big evangelistic event. And we were out in this rural area where there are lots of farmers and many of the farmers were extremely poor. They didn’t have anything. And I read that many of these farmers, they would go into debt in order to buy sea eat and they plant their seed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:28):
And then if there was any problem with the harvest, if it rained too early, or it didn’t rain at all, or if rats came and ate their harvest they wouldn’t have money to pay back the debt. And, and so the, they would be hounded by these, these debt collectors who would come and, and, and say, Hey, you gotta pay back their debt. And so a bunch of these farmers were committing suicide because they couldn’t pay back their debt. In fact, in, in that area, like over 2000 people had committed suicide over the last 10 year period. And, and so when we came the first night we started preaching and the people just sat there and stared at us like a, a cow looking at a new gate. I mean, he’s just looking at, I mean, they didn’t break a smile. They didn’t clap with us during the songs.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:16):
They didn’t sing. Like there were no miracles the first night nothing happened. And so second night, same thing, third night, same thing. Like, I would pray for the, and say, please come and tell me what Jesus has done for you. And, and no one would come and, and I’d preach again and pray again, and nothing was happening. And, and so finally by the third night, one guy came up, he says I was sitting way in the back and I was blind. And on the first night I, I saw a light and, and then I was able to see, and he says, and, and so I didn’t want to come up on the first. I wanna see whether it was really real. So he says, I waited two nights to see whether my miracle was real, but I, I wanna tell everyone now that I can see Jesus says, heal me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:02):
I’m like, why don’t you come up the first night would, it really helped, helped me out. I was feeling lonely up there. And, and so this guy comes up and, and gives his testimony. And then another person comes up and gives her, and then another person and another person. And so by the, the final night, the fifth night of the crusade we had great joy that filled that place through a mirror, uncles taking place all over the place like popcorn, just God was touching people and, and the people got up and they started to celebrate. They started to dance. We were singing songs. Everyone was clapping. They were laughing. And it was the joy of the Lord that filled that place. And so it was just like in the book of acts, it says, great joy filled the city and are gonna see that in the nation of Haiti, we’re gonna see the city filled with great joy, hallelujah, verse nine.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:52):
It says now for some time a man named Simon had practiced Sourcery in the city and amazed all the people of Samara. He boasted that he was someone great. And all the people both high and low gave him their attention explained this man is the power. No one as the great power, they followed him because he had amazed them for a long time with his magic. But when they believed Philip, as he preached the good news, the kingdom of God, in the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized both men and women, Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere, astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw. And so there is real miracles and there’s counterfeit miracles. And, and in the nation of Haiti voodoo is one of the primary religions. Some of the people are Christians. Some of the people practice a form of voodoo.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:40):
Some people combine Christianity and voodoo and, and counter practice both. But last time that we were there, we set up a big barrel and we invited all the people to bring all their voodoo idols and fetishes and different things that they used to worship. And they threw ’em into the barrels. And then we lit them on fire and, and, and burned all of those things up. And so you kind of see this happening with this sun, him in the sourcer, same thing where he’s amazed at the mayor and says, Hey, I want this. And so he goes, he believes he’s baptized. And when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. When they arrived, they prayed for them. And they, that they might receive the holy spirit because the holy spirit had not yet come upon.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:23):
Any of them, they’d simply been baptized in the name of the Lord, Jesus, then Peter and John placed their hands on them. And they received the holy spirit. And so I think this is a real important point. After Philip went, there, began to preach. He was the evangelist. He was breaking the ground up. Then when God began to move, the apostles came from Jerusalem. And so Peter and John come and, and began praying for people to be filled with a holy spirit. And so one of the number one questions that evangelist get I’ve, I’ve heard it a million times is what do you do about follow up? And it’s always very question, well, what do you do about follow? You, get all these people saved and then you leave. And what do you do about follow? Well, I think that the biblical model is right here, that the, the evangelist goes, he preaches the gospel, multitudes miracles, people get saved, but he works in teamwork with other giftings in the body of Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:22):
And so along behind the evangelist comes the prophet, the pastor, the teacher, the apostle, these other evangelist gifts to help in discipling the people. And so I always do everything I possibly can to do about, to do follow up. I mean, we don’t want any spiritual abortions, people to that get saved and then follow away. We wanna follow up on them. But it’s not something that the evangelist is called to do alone. It is for every ministry gift to, to be involved in, in the follow up of the new believers. And so that’s why in Haiti, we’re gonna work very closely with the local believers. We’re gonna be doing training for the local pastors be because we wanted ha something in them that helps with following up on the people that that get say. And, and so we’re not in this by ourselves, we’re working with other churches, other pastors, as many people as we can in Haiti, we’ve invited all the pastors of Porter princes to come together for our pastors training seminar.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (31:23):
And so I believe that they are the ones that are primarily responsible for the, the follow up of the new believers verse 18. When Simon saw that the spirit was given at the length on of the apostles hands, he offered them money and said, give me also this abilities that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the holy spirit. Peter answered may your money perish with you because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money. You have no partner share in this ministry because your heart is not right before God repent of this willingness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. If I see that you’re full of bitterness and captive to sin, then Simon answered pray to the Lord for me. So that nothing you have said may happen to me when testified in proclaim the word of the Lord, Peter and John returned to Jerusalem preaching the gospel in many Samaritan villages.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:10):
And so we see that because of what Philip went, did that now the gospel can spread to that entire region and all the Samaritan villages hear the good news. And so it’s very interesting that this source or Simon tries to buy the gift of God with money and with the focus of some ministers on money. I think that today there would be some ministers that would take it, say, yeah, give me a, gimme a thousand dollars and I’ll lay hands on. You I’ll pray for you. But Peter and John, they shut it down immediately. They say, you know, and they’re, they’re disgusted with him and say, you have no part or share in this ministry because your heart’s not right before God. And so the evangelist is not motivated by money. He’s motivated by souls. He’s motivated going after people and in rescuing people from hell, then verse 26.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (33:02):
Now an angel, the Lord said to Philip, go south to the road, the desert road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza. So he started out and on his way, he met an Ethiopian Munich, an important official in charge of all the treasury of Candace queen of the Ethiopians. This man had gone to Jerusalem, the worship, and on his way, home was sitting in his chariot, reading the book of Isaiah, the prophet, the spirit told Philip go to that chariot and stay near it. And so in the thinking of this time, Ethiopia was on the ends of the earth. It was the very edge here in this chapter. We, we see the fulfillment of the act chapter one, verse eight. First, the gospel goes from Jerusalem into Judea, then onto Samaria. And now it’s going to an Ethiopian Munich, the uttermost ends of the earth.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (33:57):
And so the writer of the book of acts, which is Luke, he puts it here specifically to show the fulfillment of this prophecy that Jesus gave in acts one eight. And so this Ethiopian unit, he goes to the temple or to Jerusalem to worship. And so history tells us that the queen of Sheba, you remember the story came to meet Solomon. And she went back. And when she went back, she took some Jews with her back to Ethiopia. And, and so apparently there were still people there still Jews that worshiped yawe the, the God of Israel. And so he came to worship, but when he came to the temple, there was a problem because in Leviticus, it tells us, first of all, that no foreigner is, is allowed to worship in the temple. And second in Leviticus, it tells us that no one who is MAED is allowed to worship in the temple.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:52):
And so this man is a UNIC and he is MAED, he’s got this serious injury. And so because of this, he has to stand outside the temple area. He came all the way Jerusalem, but you can tell he’s very curious. And, and he, he, he buys the book of Isaiah, which back then would’ve been the equivalent of two or three years wages. I mean, so, you know, you can imagine spending a huge amount, be like buying a book for 50, 60, $70,000. He’s spending on, on this book of Isaiah and he’s in his cherry driving back home. And he’s curious. And so he’s reading, he wants to know everything he can about God. And so God specifically gives Philip the evangelist, an instruction, go down to the desert road. Now here, Philip is he’s ministering in Samaria and there’s multitudes of people getting saved. And suddenly God speaks to him and says, go down to the desert road.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:46):
Now, this is a very surprising instruction to give to someone who’s ministering to the multitudes, because you know, Philip’s thinking, God, the desert, there’s not many people that go on the desert road. It’s hot out there. There’s why, why am I going down to the desert road? You know, I’m here. I have a ministry right here. I mean, surely it would be better for me to stay here in this area, ministering to these multitudes and go, but the evangelist is called to the multitudes, but then also the evangelist is called to individuals. And so you’ll see someone who operates in the evangelistic gift operating in both of these arenas. Sometimes they will minister to multitudes of people, but then they should equally be willing to minister one on one to people when God gives them the instruction to do that. And so I would say that if you’re not willing to minister to the one, then God will never put you on the platform ministering to thousands.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:44):
And if you’re on the platform ministering to thousands, but you’re not willing to minister to the one, you, you really shouldn’t be up there. And so the important thing is to be obedient to God. Amen. So verse 30 Philip ran up to the cherry and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. Do you understand what you’re reading? Philip asked? How can I, he said, unless someone explains it to me. So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. The UN was reading the passage of scripture. He was like a sheep to the slaughter and his land before the sheer silent. So he did not open his mouth and his humiliation. He was deprived of justice who can speak of his descendants for his life was taken from the earth. The unit ask Philip, tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about himself or someone else.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (37:23):
Then Philip began with that very passage of scripture and told him that good news about Jesus. And so here, once again, we see the evangelist sharing the message of Jesus Christ. And so he starts writing that passage of scripture. And so I, it doesn’t matter where an evangelist starts, his message. He’s gonna end up talking about Jesus, even if an evangelist gets up and is preaching about marriage or, or something like that, the true evangelist will bring it all back to Jesus and talk about Jesus. And so that’s the primary message of the evangelist. As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the UN said, look, here is water. Why shouldn’t I be baptized? And so suddenly this Munich has this revelation. He’s hearing about Jesus and see in the old covenant, he was a foreigner and he was MAED. He wasn’t allowed to worship, but under the new covenant, none of that matters anymore.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (38:22):
And so he sees the water and he says, why shouldn’t I be baptized? Is anything stopping me from being baptized? And Phillip says, no. And so immediately he gives orders to stop the chair. The both Phillip and the unit went down into the water and Philip baptized him. When they came up out of the water, the spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away and the unit did not see him again, but went on his way, rejoicing. And so earlier we see the city of Samaria, rejoicing, great joy, Philip, the city. And now when the individual get saved, we see the individual rejoicing, Philip, however, appeared at AOSIS and traveled about preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea in Caesarea is where we see him later in acts chapter 21 and he’s ministering there. And so the evangelist he comes in he obeys God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:17):
He ministers to the Ethiopian unit and then Philip disappears. The spirit catches him away. We call this Philip flying, he fly and I keep asking God and say, God, I spend so much money on airlines. Why don’t you just take me to where I’m supposed to preach <laugh> but he appears it in, in another town. He immediately starts preaching in the hospital there. And he appears in a town that’s about 40 miles from the desert road where he was, he was ministering here to the Ethiopian unit. And, and so a lot of people have criticized the evangelists. They say, the evangelist just blows him, blows up. It blows out. But that’s essentially what Philip does here. That model is biblical. The evangelist here, he, he comes, he ministers and then immediately the spirit catches him away and he goes to another place. And, and, and so I think the evangelist is, is, is a special ambassador for the kingdom of Ghana.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (40:10):
He goes into a place ministers and then the next week he’s somewhere else ministering. And so God sends the evangelist different places to, to right where he’s needed. And the amazing thing is, is that the Ethiopian unit, he goes back to Ethiopia and he was a significant official, he was the treasurer of all the treasury. And so he had a lot of influence there. He began telling people about Jesus and now Ethiopia historically is a Christian nation. And there are millions of people who are Christians today in Ethiopia because of this Ethiopian unit. And so if you can reach this one person, Phil, the Evangel reach this one person, and because of him, the entire nation of Ethiopia got saved. And so there you have a, of the evangelistic ministry. And one more thing I’d like to point out in acts 21. It says that he had four daughters, they were all virgins and they all prophesy.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:08):
And so the evangelist he takes good care of his family. He doesn’t abandon them. He takes good care of his family. They’re virgins, which means they’re not running around sleeping with every guy that comes come, you know, they’re the virgins. And they prophesy. They, they work with their father in the ministry. And so I’m a big believer that God does not just call individuals. He calls families and the, the anointing that is on one member of the family comes upon every member of that family. And so I think this is very important in, in your marriage that you don’t do it alone, but that your spouse is right there with you. My, my wife and I we minister together and we love ministering together. And now we have two kids. We got three year old boy, Caleb, and a one year old girl, Katie grace, and, and you know, I want them to be amazing ministers and, and just like the four daughters of Philip to that prophesy. All right, let’s pray dearly father. I thank you for the, the gift of the evangelist for the body of Christ. Lord, I pray that each person here who’s called to be an evangelist would begin walking in the fullness of that gift. And, and father, I pray that even those that aren’t called to be an evangelist would begin to do the work of an evangelist and that they would see many people get saved through them in Jesus name. I pray amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:34):
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Roland Bartl | Spreading the Love of God

Roland Bartl is a missionary from Germany who has ministered in more than forty nations. He has spent a lot of time in China and Malaysia. He has a heart from bringing Jesus to the world. You will be inspired as you listen to his story today.

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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Roland Bartl is a missionary from Germany who has ministered in more than 40 nations. He spent a lot of time in Malaysia and China. He has a heart for bringing Jesus to the world. You will be inspired as you listen to his story today.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:18):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:53):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a special guest with me with Roland Bartelle. He is a missionary from the nation of Germany. He has spent lots of time in Malaysia, in China, and in many other parts of the world. Roland, thank you for being with me on the evangelism podcast.

Roland Bartl (01:16):
Yeah. Thank you very much also. It’s nice to be here. Nice to tell you more about Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:21):
Wonderful. Well, tell me, how did you get saved? Share with me a little bit about your testimony,

Roland Bartl (01:29):
How I got saved. Yeah, it’s actually a longer story. I need to cut it short. I S I was actually, you know, I’m born in Germany. I grew up in Germany and I was as a young boy, I was always wondering about what’s life all about because what I saw in his life, even as a, as a boy, people just get born and work very hard and build up a house or pay off a car. And finally, they go to the tomb. So I was thinking that’s all. And I was thinking, does something wrong here? It cannot be all. So, and I had always a feeling as a young boy, like feeling my stomach there, there is something like a God. There is another world out there because this this, this short life on earth, it cannot, it can never be YVR here.

Roland Bartl (02:29):
And I was the only one in my family who had his feelings and the thoughts, and nobody actually could understand me. So when I was 16 years old, I started finally to, to look for this other world, I started to look for, for what what we call God. And I finally, I started to study all the world’s religions. I started at a Buddhism, the Hinduism, the Muslims, and a bit of Christianity, and I was just comparing what they believe. And I found it very interesting. So during my, and I had really a great desire now to really get to know the real God. And so in my studies, in his religions, I became a bit confused because they all believed something different. And finally, I, I started also a little bit about a new age movement eco terrorism. They they put KD or the gods, all religions like in one pot.

Roland Bartl (03:35):
And well, I found it very interesting actually what they believe too finally years were passing. And I prayed myself to regard whom I didn’t know yet. Please show me who you are. I wanted to get to know you. Finally, my I, after a few years of my search for the, for the real God, my father got saved. And for me, this was so strange because my father was a hundred percent 80 IST. And he, he did not believe in any spirituality at all. And he didn’t believe in any God. Then he told me about Jesus Christ, more about why Jesus went to the cross and resurrected. And I felt in my heart, it could be true, maybe not. And finally, I went to, I went with him to his church, sometimes a small charismatic church in Munich, Germany, and yeah, I grew up actually in Munich, Germany, and they’re Christians.

Roland Bartl (04:37):
They are, they try to convince me about Jesus. And yeah, I will. I was really not sure what was the real God. I was actually more into the Buddhism. They believe in a reincarnation. I found it much, much more logic than Jesus going to the cross for us to get us redeemed. Finally, one day they came up profit to this church, American prophet, and he started to prophecy over people. And I was, I went also this, this even into his church and he suddenly called me out and prophesied over me. And he, during he started prophesying over me, there was a, there was a supernatural power coming down from heaven, running through my, into my head, going through my whole body and soul and running out again. And this for about 10 minutes and this, and this was a real experience. I was pacing in a supernatural power during this prophet was prophesying.

Roland Bartl (05:33):
And he spoke about my actually he spoke about my present. He says straight to my faith face. You’re looking for a real God. And he spoke about my future. And this was a real experience, which finally, yeah, finally this experience was working in my heart because it was real. I could not really believe in Jesus yet as Jesus Christ would be the only way to God that he, that he is God. And the only way to God, I couldn’t believe it, but the, this prophecy was real and this experience was real. So finally after, I don’t know how many months, more, maybe a half year or something, or was it a week? Not actually three years after this. Prophecy is about three years later to some demons showed up into my life and they, they wanted to kind of transform me into a monster.

Roland Bartl (06:28):
They wanted to physically kill me. And yeah, and I was very afraid and, and I just showed it. Jesus helped me and this demons disappeared and this was a real experience to it. It was nothing of imagination or a story. Now, I suppose my own experience or the devil was real to me. Finally, I, I continued to pray to God, show me the truth, who you are really. And it took another half year after the demon experience that somehow supernaturally actually through an esoteric book, actually the holy spirit convinced me that Christ is the safe of the world. And he’s the only way to God. And so I gave him my life. I just prayed it coming in my life. And I got saved

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:16):
What a tremendous story. And I think it’s so wonderful to hear your testimony. The continent of Europe has been called a post Christian continent. Of course it has a rich heritage of people who love Jesus, but now so many people in Germany and other parts of, of Europe 10 more towards atheism. And so to hear that you had an encounter with God, and because of that encounter, you came to Jesus. What a inspiring testimony. And I pray that many more people in Europe will come to Jesus will have an encounter with Jesus and will come to God. All of Europe shall be saved in Jesus name. Amen. And you have now become a missionary. You’re going to different nations, many different nations around the world. What is it that took you from a comfortable life in Germany to want to go out to the mission field and to tell people about Jesus?

Roland Bartl (08:17):
Yeah, it was my, my personal relationship with Jesus. I mean, when you, when I was a Christian, finally, he he, he sent me for a while to Africa. I was still a baby Christian and I wanted to, I wanted to experience now God’s God’s power. What’s this written in the Bible and the book of acts people get saved and get healed and deliver from demon. And in Europe, you don’t see it as much. And even they don’t let any baby Christian, like I lost, they don’t let them preach in a church, never, ever. So, so God sent me to Africa for a while and he was teaching me how to operate an anointing of the holy spirit. And I ever preached the first time in my life. And our church was in Africa, in a country offsite year. And so God was always confirming my calling on her to be an evangelist or be, to be a prophet, to be a missionary and always confirming.

Roland Bartl (09:13):
And yeah, and that’s why my, I got born in this world in a fallen world, which needs help. I got born here and to be Christians, we should be a light for the, for the people, for the nations. And we should laugh all the people and we should reflect the love of God. So, and when we preach the gospel of the people, we share the love of God to them because God’s desire is that everybody finally comes back to God, is getting saved and has the right to be in heaven. Yes. And this is the reason I actually, if I am preaching the gospel,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:49):
Amen. Amen. Well, you preached your first sermon in Africa, but now you have preached sermons in many other places around the world, and you have really spent a lot of time in Asia. You and I have been Facebook friends for quite a while now, and I watch your pictures and you send me pictures on my phone and I always see you ministry in China, in Malaysia. And that type of ministry is different than what we do in Africa. Like when we go to Africa, we, we do large evangelistic crusades. We’ll have thousands of people come, but of course you’re not able to do that in China. Could you tell me some about the, the, what God has allowed you to do in Asia?

Roland Bartl (10:33):
Yeah, my last 10, 10 years of my life, I was living actually in Asia. I, I lived six years in Malaysia and then three and a half years in China. And what in my ministry, what we do or it’s I, or we, we do sometimes an evangelistic meetings. What, what the here called crusades. And they do it sometime. He did one in Pakistan and Uganda, Philippines, sometimes they do this, but my ministry also, we’re helping churches with teaching and preaching and seminars. And also intercession is a bi g part of the ministry. And in, in Asia is, is different than the Western countries. You have mostly any, any Asian countries as their own religion. So you’re dealing with different Principalities and Powersand spiritual hosts in heavenly places. And yeah, and generally, it’s more easy to get the Asian saved then the Western people because they already grow up. There’s some spirituality in China, for example, is a bit more difficult. I mean, Malaysia is a Muslim country, but in Malaysia you have also, the Hindu is the Buddhist Christians and some other spirit religions. So when you minister there, it’s maybe I would say it’s kind of fun. I would say, because sometimes you, of course like in any country, but sometimes, I mean, you pray for people to getting healed or you cast out demons out of people and it’s, it’s nice to see what the holy spirit is doing there. China, for example is different. They have a different government. They don’t really want any religion in their country, but China originally was a Buddhist country until,uthey became more communist. And basically in China now the, there are this kind of,uwhat we call underground churches. This is a people who are meeting more in the houses and,ubecause they, in some states of China, they’re getting prosecuted, not in all of states in China, China’s a big country like America. And, and so many times there’s people really getting safe in China, more in this house, churches and the China’s also evangelize their country. But,uI was there since three and a half years until 2019. I had no problems as a foreigner. I could even preach in a Sunday service sometimes. And there was no problem. And from 2019 on the Chinese government became more strict and sort of foreign us. Also. They couldn’t do too much in China anymore.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:13):
Well, I believe China shall be saved too. You know, when they have the Beijing Olympics, I saw all of the, the meetings that were taking place in the bird nest stadium there in the middle of Beijing. And I think, oh, that stadium is a good place to preach the gospel. And so I believe the day will come where crusades will be able to be done across China. And it has such a large population. I think it’s possible that the largest crusades in history will take place in China. You know under communism in, in Russia people were not able to minister, but then the wall came down. The, the Berlin wall fell down and, and Russia was open. And for a time it, people were ready to go into minister in, in, in Russia. And many people came to Jesus during that time. And so I think that with globalization, it’s very possible that we could see a time where suddenly China will be open to the gospel and it is important for the church to be ready for that. So already I am translating some of my books into Chinese. I’m getting ready because I believe God will open up doors and the time will come where we will see a great move of God in the nation of China and end in all of Asia. You mentioned intercession. And one important part intercession plays in your ministry. If you’re at a church and you’re teaching them about the importance of prayer, what are some of the principles that you teach about intercession?

Roland Bartl (14:56):
Yeah. About intercession is the best is when people intercede be led by the holy spirit. I pray actually, what’s on the heart of God. When you’re doing intersession, you make your heart one with the heart of the Father and then the Holy Spirit, which we, which lives in us. He helps us actually to pray what it’s on, God hearts and when, and when we pray also sometimes we have to go actively, have to go against some principle that empower us who are hanging over countries, but do this under the leading of the holy spirit. And the other, other part is when we pray in the seed for, for an issue or for a nation or for people even then don’t give up, because Jesus says in the Bible, don’t give up. Then you pray is it’s very important to on the other hand also like it’s very important as a, to pray with the wisdom of God. Sometimes the devil will start some counter attacks, so you need to stand your ground also to fight them off. Okay. But we are dealing with a defeated enemy. The devil is defeated. However, he tries sometimes to disturb us and the tears out. And so must, you must stand your ground. Okay.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:13):
You also speak Spanish in your recent missions, trips, where to Mexico and to Paraguay. And you’ve seen God do miracles in, in Latin America. Tell me, what are some of the, the miracles, the, the testimonies that you’ve seen in your ministry?

Roland Bartl (16:33):
Yeah, there are many, many miracles testimonies, but I, in my ministry life, I saw really blind people’s eyes, getting opened lane people walked and all kinds of sicknesses getting healed. And also yeah, maybe I can share this quickly. So Anna was a baby Christian in Africa and a year. There’s a lot of special time in my life. And the holy spirit was leading me very much, very submissions and through a vision. For example, he showed me a vision of certain village in the middle of the year, which I should go to. I didn’t even know what to do there, but I went there as a brother. Finally, finally, it came out that the holy spirit was sending me there with a strong vision to save a crazy guy from getting killed from his own. People can’t believe this, but it was those a really mission of God.

Roland Bartl (17:29):
One of these really crazy sick, even process people, he ran around with a knife in his hand and with stress and, and God told me, you must take care of what him and I did. And finally, through many prayers and also fasting as we cost out hundred demons out of him, him and he got completely healed. So this is a really I would say special mission rescue mission for our crazy guy. But however, the cloud generally really, I mean, as we preached the gospel, we see people getting healed delivered. I see a Paraguay, for example, I remember there was a woman that was with some strong back pains all the time. And we prayed for her as was gone that a house, which I rented for one month, we had to, we had to clean it out from some demons and, and they didn’t want to come back anymore. So it was a party and it was also, yeah. And, and I, you know, and it was a pupil with a high blood pressure. I remember also empowered by reasonably got healed and many other miracles.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:36):
That’s so wonderful to hear what God is doing around the world. Roland, one of the biggest challenges of being a missionary is always raising money. And so like our ministry is supported by friends and partners that, that help to support us and pray for us. And we’re so grateful for everyone who supports us. And so I’m going to on my website, when I post this episode, I’m going to put a link to your Facebook page. So if people are interested in helping out your ministry, they can connect with you there and help you in your mission around the world. And so brother Roland, it’s so wonderful to spend some time with you. Thank you for being a guest on the evangelism podcast.

Roland Bartl (19:24):
Yeah, I think we’re a much also what I want to say is also we had, in the past, in the last, maybe 15 years, we had missions in 40 countries around the world. There’s a lot of stuff on Facebook and YouTube. Yes. And like I say, the mission is all continue to work of Jesus Christ on earth. It’s very simple. Okay. Preach the gospel, heal the sick cast out demons. So people also can accept Christ as saver a saver. So they’re getting saved and, and have the right to go to heaven. Continue what Jesus started on earth. And yeah, if you’re really, if you like supporting. Yes. I, right now I have a Facebook page and, and I was, I am connected with world outreach ministries. If you are wanting to support, this is all on the Facebook side also. And yeah, praise the Lord. Thank you. If you’re doing it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:17):
Thank you brother, Roland Bartl. God bless you. Thanks for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast a review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (21:22):
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Jako & Karin Hugo | Visiting Schools Across Africa

Jako & Karin Hugo have visited almost 8,000 schools in Africa and ministered to more than three million students. Their simple message of salvation has resulted in an enormous harvest of souls. They believe that children are the greatest mission field in the world.

Connect with Jako & Karin Hugo: https://www.facebook.com/jako.hugo

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Jako & Karin Hugo have visited almost 8,000 schools in Africa and ministered to more than 3 million students. Their simple message of salvation has resulted in an enormous harvest of souls. They believe that children are the greatest mission field in the world.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:19):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of The Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist. Daniel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:55):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast on Daniel King. And I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. We have very special guests who have an innovative way for reaching children, brother Jocko, and Karen Hugo. Thank you for being with me today. Thank you, sir. So tell me about how you’re reaching children for Jesus.

Jako Hugo (01:19):
Wow. Where do I start? So about 14 years ago, we started vesting schools in Africa and we realized how open the schools are. I went to a crusade and I told her to visit some schools up the road. And maybe you can explain that better. And I came back six weeks later and she was at many schools and we were surprised how open the schools are to the gospel of Jesus Christ. And so we found various ways to actually access the schools. Initially we visited three schools a day and then we found that it’s actually very easy. So eventually we ended up visiting seven schools a day in our OB, and we could not believe how easy it is and I’ll open the schools are to the gospel. And so we just went from school to school week in, week out. And yeah, that is it. I don’t know what else you wanted me to say.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:09):
And so now how many schools have you visited over the past the years that you’ve been doing this?

Jako Hugo (02:18):
I believe it’s not just short of 8,000, definitely. Well, over 7,000, we kind of stopped counting about two years ago when we started helping CFN with schools. But while I was 7,000 schools and we literally see millions of children need coming into the kingdom of God. So we’re very accurate that

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:30):
Let’s talk about why it’s so important to reach the children. Sometimes people think we’re going to reach the adults and the only the salvation that they really count as the adults, they don’t count all the little children that are running around. But why do you think it’s important to reach children with a gospel

Jako Hugo (02:47):
First? I think that’s really where the market is. Like the, you know, they, we talk about the 10 40 window they’ve lived when it comes to salvation. They talk about the four 14. We know is really between the age of four and 14, 70% of the people in the world gives a life to Jesus. So that’s really where we should be aiming our crusades. And so often I believe it’s important when a child, of course, it’s easier for the child to make a decision for Jesus Christ because they believe just easier child childlike, faith. The Bible talks about it so powerful. And so, but if we can get the child to Jesus at a younger age, we can actually bend that tree and they can follow God and become and live a much better life glorifying to him. Then when maybe when you want to catch them later and try to turn the tree when it’s stronger. So I believe the sooner you get the child to fall in love with Jesus and know Jesus and walk and talk with Jesus, you could change his entire life the way he look at himself, the way he lives.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:40):
And I’ve been watching how you’ve been training these evangelism bootcamp students here at Christ for all nations, taking them into these African nations and taking them from school to school and the same results that you’ve seen. You’ve been seeing these young students have as they go into the schools. Tell me what D why do you think it’s so important for these students to have this experience of, of sharing the gospel with each other?

Jako Hugo (04:11):
You know, a number of years ago, we were starting to pray that people, more people will come to come and share the gospel, the children, because it’s really, it is so, so easy and schools are so, so open. And so God really opened the door through CFM, and I believe the harvest is plentiful. And the more harvest is we can send out to the others the better, because I don’t think we can read them all. It’s just because every five, six years the school is completely new. And, and so the more people we can train up who can train more people who can multiply themselves. I think the chance of reaching the office in Africa and the world becomes better and bigger.

Karin Hugo (04:44):
And this is also something that’s easy to do for anybody that starts out a ministry. If you start in schools, it’s not expensive, it is easy, doable with somebody somebody that you partner up with. And also, if this is maybe a platform where you can start, you streamline your messages, you get confidence and you train yourself on how to do this well to go and take it at a higher level.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:12):
So let’s pretend that we are visiting a school right now, and you’re standing in front of the children. What do you say to lead them down the pathway to salvation kind of pretend like right here, we have a bunch of kids and you are ministering to them. What do you say?

Jako Hugo (05:30):
Okay. So maybe I just give you a bit of an outline. We introduce ourselves it’s always good to show honor to the teacher and the teachers that’s actually giving you the opportunity. Then we open up the prayer and Mitel to spread, to come to open up their hearts and their minds that they fully understand what God wants to say. And then we tell the story. There are many children’s stories. We connect scripture to the story, maybe a number of scriptures that you feel God has placed on your heart, because that’s really opening up them. And I’ll just print this there. And we add an attribute, the story, and then we listed the name of Jesus over and over and over. And as we do that dollar spread com and then we give them opportunity to respond. And it’s amazing other response. And then we pray a basic prayer of salvation, really basic, the message must be basic and simple for them to understand.

Jako Hugo (06:14):
And then we explain salvation and then we give them a chance. And then we also share a short scripture on the holy spirit and give them chance to receive the holy spirit. Now I can, you want me to do a spin, a story?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:25):
Give me a story.

Jako Hugo (06:26):
Okay. One day long, long ago in a country, far, far away, there was a young man that lived with his family. It’s so happened that his country came into war. The father said to the older brothers, they should go and fight in the war. After sometime. Now we say to the younger brother that remained behind you should take some food to your older brothers. They must be hungry. Now, today, back there, big Baca food, lots of rice meat, banana. The boy walked for a long time. When he got to his brothers, they just sitting around like us.

Jako Hugo (07:01):
He said, brothers, why are you sitting? Why are you not liking the enemy? Oh little brother. We have a big problem. The enemies that are be giant, nobody wants to fight the giant. They say, if we defeat the giant, we can take the land. But his day defeat our soldier. They was taking our land. Nobody wants to fight. But this young man that brought the food, he felt like God is with him. He told his brothers, the brothers told the king. The king said, now, if this young man feels like God is with him, he can fight the giant. The boy went, he picked up five rocks. You walked up to the giant, the giant looked down and said, Hey, you’re a little boy. What are you doing here? Now? You’re just no body. The young man said to the giant, Mr. Giant, today, I will defeat you because the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is with me.

Jako Hugo (07:55):
The giant is the laughing. He took one rock, put it inside Eastern shot. He went sure Erie needs the rock. The rock flew, hit the giant in front of his head. The giant went down and the boy killed that giant. That day love his own squat. Now, what is the name of the giant Goliath and the name of the boy, David [inaudible] the children know the names of the day, you know? And it’s very, they recognized I’ve not been to one school where they didn’t recognize story. The great thing here is now you’ve told an actual Rideau in a story that they solved. Now, they know they got you. And you know, you go then, and from there to get to salvation, it doesn’t take long because how do you take that into salvation? So I would, for instance, say, you know, the same way that God helped David to the fecal life, he wants to help you too.

Jako Hugo (08:43):
But why do you call it up? David, David and God put close friends. You walked and talk of God all the time. So how do you and I become close friends of God. The Bible says for us to start this rich relationship with God, we need to be born again to be saved by God to go to heaven. So how do we get born? Again? The Bible says there are two things we need to do. Number one, you need to believe in Jesus Christ, that Jesus, the son of God, he died on the cross for you and me, that Jesus rose from the gate, from the dead, that Jesus is alive today. And he wants to live in your heart. You ask, if you believe that all hands go up, Sidney, the Bible says you need to repent of your sin. What does that mean?

Jako Hugo (09:19):
You need to ask God to forgive you are the things that you’ve done that was wrong. Like lying to the teacher or cheating in an exam or stealing or minimal, or maybe not forgiving your brother, your sister, and then forgiveness. You can go much deeper if you want to, if you have the time. But you know, the Bible says that Jesus is knocking on the door of your heart, right? You’re right now, he wants to forgive you. She wants to give you a brand new start today and hope for the future. Are you ready to open the door of your heart to Jesus?

Jako Hugo (09:48):
Secondly, the Bible says that everyone say everyone everywhere or calls upon the name of Jesus shall be saved. Are you ready to call upon the name of Jesus? Let’s all close our eyes. And then you get him down to respond. And then you do like a basic, simple prayer. I like to pray a basic, simple Wonka prayer. And you must show you prayed in short phrases. So it’s easy for them to repeat. Yeah. And so we have many different stories that we used, and it’s really amazing how the children respond. But I do like David and Goliath, just because it’s not on your story, also a real, and you really pull them in and

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:19):
They, as they figure it out, then they start to think, oh, I know what to do.

Jako Hugo (10:24):
Absolutely. Yeah. And it’s also easy to keep their attention because all the time they’re thinking, is it, or is it not this? What is he talking about? So you’re keeping their attention all the time, because just not a story where they wondering and off all the time, they’re starting to realize why you’re talking about,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:36):
Talk about why you use stories to capture attention. I think sometimes people go in and just immediately jump into the gospel message and it becomes just straight preaching where they’re shaking their finger at people. And then it’s very easy to lose children. But why are stories so effective in capturing?

Jako Hugo (10:56):
I think you actually pull the children. I, you, this is saying you first started when the children yourself, and then went up to Jesus. You’ll put your, pull them in. But they remember the stories, you know, we’ve seen the children years later when we see them, they don’t remember our names, which retaliate. I like, they will remember sometimes the song that we played them one by Jesus. You’re the only one I can look for. And I remember the story, but it’s important to me also to remember the principle behind the story. Yeah. But it’s amazing how they remember the story. And I remember that story and I wanted to connect that story to the day of salvation. So that’s the day I said yes to Jesus is when I heard that story about Devin Goliath and the same way they got up there with these now helping me.

Karin Hugo (11:31):
I think it’s also to explain in their everyday life, the Bible to make it a life, how Jesus wants to be their friend, how Jesus can help them, how Jesus can save them. But how is it applicable to the daily life? Like he can be your friend. He can help you to, to slay a giant like, like David slayed, Goliath, but you can slave giant of stealing and lying and cheating because God will help you. So it just make the biblical application into a practical everyday application. Yeah.

Jako Hugo (12:09):
And in high schools, of course we have different stories. Again, I like to tell the room, the 10 rooms, for instance, in high schools, and you can lift up many others and like pornography and all these things that they could struggle with. So it just depends different schools will do different things, but it’s amazing how God is moving. You often see the children crying, you see teachers crying, you see teachers responding is really, really

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:29):
Amazing. And then you also pray for them to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

Jako Hugo (12:31):
Yes. So we do basic scriptures about the spread, receiving the power in schools. We, it’s not the good thing to maybe use the word baptism because we’ve had this way. They say, you know, don’t come and baptize my children into your faith. But we talk about the power of God. We ensure we can disbelief.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:47):
Otherwise spirit wants to live with you. Exactly. Actually

Jako Hugo (12:50):
Wants to comfort you. And yeah.

Karin Hugo (12:53):
Yeah. I usually explain to them, you know, the choice that you’ve just made is not an choice that might be easy to live out every day, but the choice is however, for the rest of your life and we cannot do it alone. And so therefore Jesus knew this. So he promised to save us the holy spirit to come and to help us to give us the power, to overcome, to give us a power, to be witnessing, to be both. And therefore, when you have the holy spirit, you can do all of this.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:21):
Wow. That’s so beautiful. And I think it’s so amazing that you’ve visited almost 8,000 schools. Praise God, praise ministered to over 4 million children. You know, how many ministers never in their lives minister to that, God’s opened the door for you. And you’ve seen so many children give their lives to Jesus. What does that feel like when you, you pray a prayer of salvation with so many children repeat that?

Jako Hugo (13:51):
That is amazing. And so I make the mistake. Sometimes I open my eyes myself and I look at the two and I look how sincere I serious. They are. That really touched my heart. In fact, I think the same happened with these adventures that we train now. They also opened their eyes in the middle of the prayer. And that’s really, when it catch it, catch your heart that you see are serious. They are how seriously they pray, how would they believe is really amazing, but this is highly addictive. I want to encourage you if you do this once, it will be hard not to do it again and again and again and again. Yeah, it is amazing. The children can crawl into a heart faster than I can explain is really amazing. Very highly addictive.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:31):
Amen. Well, I love what you do. And I’m so excited about the harvest of souls that God has given you. Thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. And I pray that your example will inspire many thousands more to go into schools around the world, to lead the children to Jesus. Jesus said, let the little children come up to me and you are fulfilling that scripture and you are going and giving the children an opportunity to come to Jesus. And it’s so beautiful.

Jako Hugo (15:02):
Thank you so much. We are under that. You ask us to be part of this. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:09):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month. You can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (16:29):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

 

Lloyd & Marie Tsuruda | Reaching Children Around the World

Lloyd & Marie Tsuruda have a passion for children’s evangelism. They have traveled to over seventy nations in their quest to reach children for Jesus and to train children’s leaders. They believe that the 4/14 Window (children between the ages of 4 and 14) is the most neglected mission field in the world.

Statistics on the Children’s Mission Field: 

Problem: (statistics)

  1. Today, there are more than 2.2 billion children on Earth. Nearly two billion of these live in a developing country. (https://www.humanium.org/en/children-world/)

  2. National Association of Evangelicals discovered from one of their surveys that 63% of Christians accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior between the ages of 4 and 14-years-old. Other surveys say as high as 80%. (https://www.mapglobal.org/blog/2018/4/15/what-is-the-4-14-window)

  3. “The Great Commission applies to children as well as to adults.  Children, more than any other people group, are receptive to the gospel.  Nearly half of the population of every country within the 10/40 Window is also in the 4/14 Window.  Where the churches are growing, most of the new converts are under the age of 18.  Children are both objectives of, and resources for, Mission in the non-Western world.” (https://www.lausanne.org/about/blog/children-and-the-gospel)

  4. The 4/14 Window refers to the demographic group ages 4 to 14, which is the most open and receptive group to spiritual and developmental input. God is calling us to a new missional focus: the 4/14 Window, the golden age of opportunity to transform the world. God is also calling us to radically change the way we view children and to respond to their strategic importance and rightful place in His kingdom. This often-ignored and suffering people group can be transformed into a precious window of opportunity. The 4/14 Window Movement is a Global Mission Movement focusing on Reaching, Rescuing, Rooting, and Releasing children and youth (0-18 years old) to reach their full transformational impact in their family, community, and nation. (https://luisbushpapers.com/414window)

  5. The Devil’s target on children: VULNERABLE:

    1. Sex Trafficking

    2. Child Abusers/Domestic Violence

    3. Child Labor Slavery

    4. Runaways

    5. Orphans

    6. Poverty: Lack of access to food, clean water, clothes, education, and the GOSPEL

    7. Gangs, drugs, criminals

    8. Evil Government Regimes brainwashing

  6. Only 1% of missions money goes to the unreached, yet 86% of the unreached live in the 10/40 window.  87% of missionaries work in the portion of the globe with churched populations. The average Western missionary spends only 3% of his time involved in direct evangelism. The average American Christian gives only 1 penny a day to global missions. (https://www.aboutmissions.org/statistics.html

Website: https://fofgm.com/home

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Lloyd & Marie Tsuruda have a passion for children’s evangelism. They’ve traveled to over 70 nations in their quest to reach children for Jesus and to train children’s leaders. They believe that the four 14 window children ages four to 14 is the most neglected mission field in the world.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:22):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:56):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. We have very special guests with us, Mr. Lloyd and Marie through to sir Ruda. And they are children’s ministers. Children’s evangelists and love telling children about Jesus. Thank you for being on the evangelism podcast. Thank you. It’s

Lloyd Tsuruda (01:20):
Great to be here With you. So tell me a little bit about yourselves and how you got started doing children’s ministry.

Marie Tsuruda (01:29):
Well, I’d have to go back to when I was a child, because as a child, I knew that God was calling me to missions, but my children’s pastor gave me an opportunity to minister, to kids. And then when I got into the youth ministry, my youth pastor gave me an opportunity to be the children’s intern. And so just getting started with backyard Bible clubs, with teaching children’s church, as a teenager with going on mission trips as a teenager, doing a children’s television program for kids as a, as a teenager myself. So I encourage anybody go ahead and let those kids let those teenagers be a part of the children’s ministry, because God wants to use this generation to reach themselves.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:05):
And you have traveled to many nations around the world. Where are some of the places that you’ve been,

Marie Tsuruda (02:12):
We’ve been in 79 nations, every continent. So haven’t hit a Santa Claus yet on the north pole, but we’re working on that one for later. So a lot of variety, a lot of different people around the world, but our focus is on the children’s ministry orphans the unreached

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:28):
And I saw on your website, you’ve now reached over a million children for Jesus, 79 different nations. What a tremendous blessing that is. And you really believe in reaching this four to 14 window. A lot of people have heard of the 10 40 window, which is the area in the world that has the most unreached people groups. But talk to me about this four to 14 window and why it’s so important to reach people in that window. Well,

Lloyd Tsuruda (02:56):
I think it’s so important because you know, there’s a lot places that that are watched by the government and police, but you know, kids in that four 14 window can go everywhere and share the gospel sort of like in stealth mode, they’re not watching them. And you know what for example, in America, I’ll just say this, I can approach children because at the park or anything like that, they’d say, well, there’s an old man here and he’s trying to, who is he? Why is he talking to my kid? But you know, kids, once they’re taught how to share the gospel, they can share with all of them. And, and like Maria said we’ve always said that we can reach a generation and we need to, but it’s time. The Lord is saying that we teach a generation to reach itself.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:42):
And so the four to 14 window is this age group, between the ages of four to the age of 14, I was looking at your website. You’ve got some really interesting statistics. There is it. Let me read one of these to you. And then you guys can comment on it. Today there’s more than 2.2 billion children on earth, nearly 2 billion of these live in a developing nation. So talk to me about that. Why is it important to reach these kids?

Marie Tsuruda (04:09):
These kids are the ones that Jesus said, let the little children come to me, 85% of people who are going to be born again. Usually do so before the age of 15. So if we’re going to reach children are the, that low-hanging fruit and we can influence a whole family will begin to come to church if we can get the children to be interested. So it’s so vital to us that we reach them while they’re their hardest Tinder. And so, especially in those developing countries where there’s so much need, they need food, they need water, they need clothes. But the number one thing they need is the gospel. And so many times we go into churches or orphanages or schools that are supposedly Christian, but they’ve never presented the gospel. They’ve never led those children to Christ, which is also true in churches right here in America. So that’s, our passion is sharing the gospel with kids all over the,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:54):
And you often do children’s crusades. So paint a picture for me. Imagine that you’re in Africa and you’re, you’re doing a children’s crusade. What’s that going to look like?

Marie Tsuruda (05:06):
Well we met doing a children’s ministry for inner city kids in America. And so we take some of those same kind of high energy things with clowns and puppets and drama and

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:18):
Who dresses up at because of the clown. Do you dress up like a clown or you you’re the clown?

Marie Tsuruda (05:21):
We have three kids. They have now become the clowns. So we have a built-in drama team. They’re now a growing up. So we might have to start doing clowns again.

Lloyd Tsuruda (05:30):
You know what, having such a large group of kids, and they’re so easy just to preach a simple story or a gospel and watching hundreds and thousands of to receive Christ just in a matter of a few minutes. And not only that, but having the holy ghost fall on them and, and you know, them speaking in tongues and having God’s presence there and the power of God and the miracles and the healings and things like that. That’s what Jesus wants. He wants to, for him to be real to them.

Marie Tsuruda (06:07):
I was just going to add at the end of that, we always are teaching them to lay hands on the sick and teaching them to lead their families, to Christ, to lead their neighbors or school mates to Jesus as well, because it doesn’t just start with them. It’s a full circle that we believe in there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:20):
Yeah. I actually got started in ministry ministering to children. I would dress up as a clown. My parents were missionaries to Mexico and we found that clowns were a great way to attract kids to come to the church. And to this day, I still love doing children’s ministry. So I’m an evangelist. I preached a big crowds of people, but sometimes if it’s children, I’ll still dress up as a client. In fact, this past Sunday I was in Malawi and I was invited to preach Sunday morning at St. Michael’s and all the angels Presbyterian churches, the first church planted in Malawi. And they’re very formal. Everyone in attendance was in a three-piece suit, wearing a suit and tie. You know, I dressed up with a suit and tie in order to preach to them. And we had some of these elite from society that gave their lives to Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:10):
And then Sunday afternoon, we had a children’s festival and I dressed up like a clown and put on a funny nose and a bow tie. And we did juggling for the kids at the children’s festival. So morning suit and tie afternoon clown suit and funny wig. But Paul says you become all things to all people so that some might be saved. And so we are fishers of men and you use what attracts people, so that if you’re trying to reach children, you have to use bait that will attract them. And if it takes a funny looking hair, funny looking wig, in order to attract kids, then go for it in order to preach the gospel to them.

Marie Tsuruda (07:53):
I so agree with that. And you know, we’ve, we’ve talked about that. There is the component of entertainment, but then there’s the component of education that we’ve done in, in Sunday schools and a great way of teaching the Bible stories to kids. And we’ve had lights and sounds and puppets and drama, but it comes down to this and encounter with the holy spirit. These kids need the gospel translated into their language. And I don’t just mean the language that they speak, but I mean, the language of fun, the language of encounter with the holy spirit, in a way they can understand taking the gospel instead of big words and making it into words they can understand. And then when they walk away, they know they have encountered Jesus. There’s just a presence of God. If I can just tell you one story about that.

Marie Tsuruda (08:33):
We were in an orphanage in a a closed country in Asia and these children were actually children of the martyrs. Their parents had been killed for sharing the gospel. And so there’s a hundred or so of them at this camp that we were doing for the kids that week. And so I love doing, you know, all of the exciting things that we just talked about, but then there was a time where we just had prayer. We just had the kids, they were soaking in the presence. God seeing visions, hearing words from the Lord three or four hours at a time, listening to the voice of God. And then we went out from that place, which I don’t know how many of your kids are in that presence, but that’s what they need. That’s what they need at home. That’s what they need in church anyway.

Marie Tsuruda (09:08):
But these kids went out to witness. And when they went out with us in the streets, again, it’s illegal. They know their parents have died for it, but they are bold and they do not have any fear. So I just, after having trained them, how to minister, to people stood back and listened to my interpreter, save what was going on. This one little boy was about eight years old, nine years old. And he began to have a word of knowledge for this lady that we knocked on her door. And he said, you have a tumor in your stomach. And I looked at my translator, like, I hope he’s accurate. You know, and sure enough, she said, I do. He laid his hands upon her, the tumor instantly disappeared. And when that happened, he began to share the gospel with her. She got born again. She got filled with the holy spirit, began speaking in tongues. The woman is, is telling her testimony that she has had a husband that was a believer for years, but she had never believed in 40 years. He tried to get her to convert to Christianity. But in this moment she said, I see that Jesus is the real one. And so now their whole family is part of that church. That, that orphanage is a part of. And it’s just an amazing testimony. When you start seeing kids that will share the gospel in their cities and seeing the transformation of activating kids into the ministry.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:14):
Amen. Now you were just sharing with me right before the podcast about why Jesus hasn’t come back yet. Can you explain to me why a God revealed to you? W w the timing of Jesus coming back? Okay.

Lloyd Tsuruda (10:33):
So I was a little exasperated three years ago, and I asked the Lord a simple question. I said, why haven’t you returned? And he said, James, five, seven. And I was amazed because he answered me right away. And I thought, okay I’ve heard that scripture. So what does that mean?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:51):
So tell me what the scripture says. It says

Lloyd Tsuruda (10:54):
The husbandman waited for the precious fruit of the earth waiting for the early in the latter rain. So I said, okay, well, what’s special about that. I’ve heard it. And he said, who do you think the precious fruit are? And the Lord said to me, the precious fruit, our children, and then the question came, do you think that the Lord could return and leave the children behind for the rapture? And I said, no Lord. And he said, reach the children.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:23):
What a tremendous reminder to us that it’s so important to, to reach children for Jesus. What encouragement would you give to people who are looking for a ministry? They want to be involved in evangelism, encourage them to, to start looking at ministering to the children and what a fruitful mission field that is. Yeah.

Lloyd Tsuruda (11:45):
I want to take that one. So, you know, I would say I’m a business person and I would present a case to someone I’d okay. There’s a, B and C. If, if we’re a business and we want to get as many people converted as possible. If a, if a, if an a, you get 85% of the people saved. If B you get 10% and a five and a C is 5%, which group are you going to go for? I’d say a, because 85% of people get saved there. And you know what age group that is four to 14. So why, why do we skip that group when we can totally change the complexion of any country by getting the children’s?

Marie Tsuruda (12:29):
Yeah. I’ll tell you two quick stories on that. When even last Friday night right here in Orlando, I think it was actually, maybe a couple of Friday nights ago. We went out with another little girl. She was witnessing with our team and she let 18 people to Jesus on the streets on a Friday night. That’s the little girl, a team of a whole bunch of evangelists probably led that many to Jesus themselves. And so children are effective evangelists. And other story, when we were in another country, our son was a little boy, and he was witnessing over to some kids in a playground with a little visual aid that we use called an Avanza cube. And he had his translator telling the gospel story. Meanwhile, I was over on the street corner and somebody was getting healed from being paralyzed. And of course, when that happens, I do an altar call.

Marie Tsuruda (13:11):
Doesn’t matter if it’s against the law. Well, of course I was getting in trouble. The police came over to me. Why are you gathering a crowd? I was about to go to jail. Meanwhile, our son was leading just as many people over there on the playground to Jesus, totally ignored. And so I’m telling you activating kids into the ministry, getting involved, getting your kids involved in the ministry is vital. And so why serve in children’s ministry? Because that’s where evangelism can be birthed and grown. Because if you don’t get them started young, then they’re going to be pew sitters for the rest of their lives.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:42):
Yeah, I believe it’s better to prepare than it is to repair. It’s better to go fishing for your son today than to go F go fishing with your son today, then go fishing for him tomorrow. It’s way easier to shape a, a sapling that has just been planted. Then a big growing tree. You know, it takes a miracle to, to shape it, a tree that that’s already big and growing. I mean, if you can imagine trying to, to bend a branch and make it straight, but if you take a little sapling and drive a stake into the ground next to it, you can make that sapling grow up straight and tall in the stake that we drive in next to our children, to help them grow up straight is the word of God. And so the more that we can do to reach children, I think the more we can build the kingdom of God.

Lloyd Tsuruda (14:41):
Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:42):
Well, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. It’s really wonderful to get to know you. And I love what you’re doing to reach the children of the world. And we

Lloyd Tsuruda (14:51):
Love what you’re doing to all the time partners in the harvest state.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:56):
Amen. Bless you. Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month. You can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (16:16):
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Deepak Holkar | Evangelist With a Heart for India

India has 1.2 billion people many who have never heard about Jesus. How can we reach them with the Gospel? Deepak Holkar was born in India and God has given him a passion for reaching his homeland for Jesus.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
India has 1.2 billion people, many who have never heard about Jesus. How can we reach them with the gospel? Deepak was born in India and God has given him a passion for reaching his Homeland for Jesus.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:18):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:54):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King. Today. I have a very special guest with me, Deepak Holkar. And you are from the nation of India?

Deepak Holkar (01:04):
Yes. I’m originally from the nation of India. Call a state called Maharastra from a Sangha district. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:11):
And so tell me, how did your family become believers? Well,

Deepak Holkar (01:16):
I heard a story like, you know, a hundred years ago, that was a small missionary from United States, from a small church of 30 to 40 people from Pennsylvania. He came to India, he was a medical doctor, a surgeon to duke, a step of faith. And they sent him to reach the unreached people. The people who are suffering from leprosy, from the tuberculosis, those who are not able to reach. So he came and he shared the love of Jesus Christ with them. And my grandfather was impressed. Like the people, our own people are not able to reach these lepers of people. They used to call untouchable, who is this man? And what kind of love he has. And he found out it’s the love of Jesus Christ. So my grandfather was impressed and he gave his life to Jesus Christ. So that’s how our family came to know Jesus Christ. From that one person who shared the love of Jesus Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:08):
Let’s talk about India. 1.2 billion people. Many of them do not know Jesus. There’s many Muslims, many Hindus and people of other faiths in India. What do you think we need to do in order to reach India for Jesus?

Deepak Holkar (02:27):
I really believe if India has a hope. It’s the gospel of Jesus Christ, simple gospel of Jesus Christ with the power of the holy spirit. If India has to be saved, it is the only through Jesus Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:40):
And how can we as a church, reach people in India.

Deepak Holkar (02:44):
That is right now, I believe the doors are closed, but I believe very soon the doors are going to get open and we have no time to worst. As soon as the door gets open, we got to reach because there are so much hunger that is so places in India that they don’t even know. Jesus Christ. Let me show you one story. I heard from my my family, my grandfather used to take bicycle news to go and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. And in one of the town he was going and they said, I’m here to talk about Jesus Christ. Do you know about Jesus? And the people said, oh, I don’t think so. Anybody by that name lives here in our town. So that back word people are in some of the towns. So it’s time to reach the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:29):
So you are a student here at the evangelism bootcamp with Christ for all nations in Orlando, Florida. What are some of the things that you’ve been learning while you’ve been here?

Deepak Holkar (03:40):
Well, it will be hard to say in one minute, but one thing be at the feet of Jesus Christ every day, preach the gospel message with the power simple message with the power, with demolition of science and wonder, and all this comes out when you are at the feet of Jesus Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:01):
And so how are you staying at the feet of Jesus? And what are some of the things that Jesus has been showing you?

Deepak Holkar (04:10):
He had shown me to be humble myself before him. And it is just amazing. Like, you know how we are spending time with Jesus Christ and I believe the ministers should come out of overflow. And that overflow comes when you spend time with Jesus Christ, it’s in the secret place and not to leave him in the secret place, but to bring him with you wherever you go. And I always say our prayer begins when we leave the closet because it’s not our main and we leave him there, but we bring him into, with us, into the wall to share him with the people,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:45):
Brother. I love your heart so much. When we first met you, you called me a few weeks. There says you need to come to Illinois to come minister in my small city that I was in, that you were in, in, in Illinois. And then you said, you know, I’m from India. I really want you to come to India and, and share with people about Jesus and in India. And, and tell me, what is it that really motivates you to be passionate about evangelism?

Deepak Holkar (05:11):
Well, because I got saved like, you know, five, six years back though, born in a Christian family. I really had no, no personal relationship with Jesus. And when I see people, when I see people in the churches on the road, my just my heart, just bones. And I just want to, I just want them to know that Jesus is real and you can know him personally, and you can be saved because as the Bible says, there is no name given under the heaven by which men can be saved. It is the only name of Jesus Christ. And I believe this is our time to reach those people, to share the love of Jesus Christ with them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:50):
And so how old were you when you came from India to the United States?

Deepak Holkar (05:54):
Well, I think I was around 28, 29.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:59):
So you, you grew up in India and you, and tell me a little bit about the area that you grew up in, what the people are like there.

Deepak Holkar (06:06):
Well I grew up in a small town. We have a church of a hundred years old history of church. And there are a lot of people who are on fire for God. But at the same time, there are a lot of people who don’t really know Jesus Christ personally. So my heart goes out for there. And there are a lot of people are on fire. They’re waiting for you to come and share this gospel message. I know we plan, but because of COVID, it just didn’t work, but I’m believing and I’m praying for it. That what is soon, the doors will be open and there is a great harvest in, I heard of was to rich.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:47):
Amen. Well, let’s finish by praying for India, which would you lead us in a prayer for the people of India?

Deepak Holkar (06:55):
Yes. Father in the name of Jesus Christ father. I come before you and I cry out to, for the people of India, for the nation of India, father. It is your one father that no one should perish, but everyone should have eternal life. We ask the doors to be open. We ask your grace your wisdom to lead us father, to reach the unreached, to reach each and every soul in India. Father. We declared that India for Jesus Christ and Jesus for India in Jesus’ name. Amen. Now,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:26):
Amen. Well, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. Thank you.

Deepak Holkar (07:29):
Thank you. It’s a pleasure to be with you, sir.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:32):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month. You can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (08:50):
For More information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide Evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

 

Bernard Sachie | African Enterprise in Ghana

African Enterprise was founded 60 years ago by Michael Cassidy. They have developed a stratification strategy for reaching into every level of society in a city. Today, Bernard Sachie, the African Enterprise leader in Ghana, explains the strategy African Enterprises uses to reach people for Jesus.

Website: https://africanenterprise.org/

 

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Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
African Enterprise was founded 60 years ago by Michael Cassidy. They have developed a stratification strategy for reaching every level of society in a city today. Bernard Sachie, the African Enterprise leader in Ghana explains the strategy that African Enterprise uses to reach people for Jesus.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:23):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King where Daniel interviews full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary innovation analyst, Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:59):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I have a special guest Ben Saatchi. He is from the nation of Ghana and he is the director of African enterprises for the nation of Ghana brother. Ben, thank you for being with me today. Thank

Bernard Sachie (01:15):
You, Daniel. How are you?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:17):
It’s so good to be with you. We are here in Malawi for a great gospel festival, love Malawi festival with Andrew Palau. And next year, Andrew Palau is supposed to go to Ghana. And so you are part of a delegation that is been sent here from Ghana in order to see the festival and then to go home and begin to prepare for what God is going to do there in Ghana. What, what do you hope that God will do in Ghana?

Bernard Sachie (01:45):
So I might say that I’m so excited to be in Malawi. Blantyre is such a beautiful city. And also to have the opportunity of meeting with you, Danielle. Yes, we, we, we are actually expecting love Ghana going in next year and having seen what is happening in Malawi. We believe that God, through the love festival is going to make impact in Ghana and many lives, I believe will be transformed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:12):
So you are with African enterprise, let’s start at the beginning. How did African enterprise get started? I know you have a 60 year history that you’re about to celebrate. How did African enterprise get started? Where did that

Bernard Sachie (02:25):
Background that I can give about, you know, very soon being 60 year an organization is the fact that the leader market Cassidy had a crap hall from the Lord. He was a contemporary of Billy Graham and then he had a clear call to come to Africa because he is also an African to come to Africa and do this ministry in Africa. And so in 1962, he actually started doing vandalism in Africa and African enterprise has a flagship program. We call stratified evangelism with a structural evangelism approach. Our understanding is that in every city, you try to identify the various struck time and make sure that you pack it, the gospel message in such a way that it will meet the need of every structure within the community.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:16):
And so you’re trying to reach every single level within the society. Can you tell me how that works? What are some of these different strata that you’re looking to to influence with the gospel?

Bernard Sachie (03:29):
Yeah, so we look at it from the leadership app down approach and everything in between that is to say that in every city we know that there are decision makers. And so we look at it from the government level, from the executive level, from the business community level and even from the credit level. And then we also believe that there are lay people who also contributes to development of nation. And so here you are looking at the market women, the market people, district people, and then down to ed sometimes even to the prison, when we knew that people more or less, you know, share that away from society. But we make sure that each one of them has opportunity to hear the gospel because the gospel is meant for all.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:14):
So tell me what nations is African enterprise working in

Bernard Sachie (04:18):
Currently, we are in 12 African nations. We are in Kenya, South Africa, Tanzania, Malawi Ghana. We are in DRC Congo. We need to appear very, very recently. We have been to Zambia and then we are also in South Sudan. I don’t know if I’ve left out any country, but 12 African countries we are operating now.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:42):
And I know that in each country, your goal is to do one major outreach each year, at least one explained to me what that would look like. You go into a new city. How do you reach out to that city?

Bernard Sachie (04:56):
Okay. So it goes through a process. We normally spend two years to decide for a city. And so what happened is that we do what we called the corrupt and Jewish Schwab operation. That is to say that you visit to sort of identify, you know, the city that you want to go to look at the needs, look at the challenges. And then when that is done, you do what we call a vision custom, an individual custom. You said year to the leadership. They get keepers who are the spiritual leaders of a city. And when they’re able to buy into the idea, then you begin to set up, you know, the planning stages and apprentice stages is where you bring on board, various working teams, a ministry, or a mission of this nature would demand that many hands should be involved. One person cannot do it all. And so I normally say that we need to connect with one another, to be able to impact our city.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:54):
So there’s opportunity for other evangelists, ministers from different nations to connect with you and to participate in outreaches.

Bernard Sachie (06:01):
That’s exactly what I’m trying to see because we cannot do it all by ourselves. We need some energy. People must come with other ideas just to compliment what we have and then we’ll be able to impact, of course, we are thinking about a big kingdom, not an individual kingdom.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:16):
And so there’s so many different areas of society that you can impact. You have sports teams, you have the medical profession, you have businessmen the women of the city. What are some other areas that you try to target?

Bernard Sachie (06:31):
I mean, we also, you’re not valid. Typically in Africa, we have a very interesting to know what some countries, they will call border border. In some places, the [inaudible], they are the biannual Moto bike riders, and then there’s for commercial basis. And we also have the taxis. We have the bus, you know, terminals, all of these places. We make sure that the gospel get to them. And of course you can’t leave out the market in new places.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:56):
And what are some of the results that you’ve seen from your ministry in Ghana? What what’s been happening? What has God been doing well in Ghana,

Bernard Sachie (07:05):
We must say that we are grateful to God for what he’s doing. Of course the whole nation Ghana, you know, people will say is a Christian nation in which, you know, it, it, it, it has other implications anyway, but when it comes to the gospel, people are very receptive to the gospel. As a, wherever you take the gospel, people are ready to come and listen to you. And so we have been able to make impact over the years. I mean, we are reaching out to a lot of people and the most interesting part is this commercial sex workers that we able to reach out to, and God is leading a lot of them into the kingdom of God, the

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:42):
Sex, the sex workers. Yeah.

Bernard Sachie (07:44):
Yeah, because we are not only into proclamation business. We are also into social media intervention program and Ghana, for instance, we reach out to prostitutes and after they’ve given their life to Jesus Christ, we take them to vocational training. We train them to know how to use their house, to do something for, to fend for themselves, because otherwise they will go back into their old life. And so we have been helping them. We pick some people from the streets and we put them through apprenticeship. They are into Taylor lane, dressmaking dressing, cupping tree as a whole lot of, you know, vocational Esker that we are taking them through.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:24):
Share with me some of your personal testimony. How did you become excited about evangelism personally?

Bernard Sachie (08:32):
This is, this is great. I mean, it’s a very long one, but of course we can always make it very short. I became a Christian when I was in the high school that was in 1982. But before that I have had a dream I think when I was in prime ministry, I remember very well. I had a dream and in the dream Jesus was calling me to say, I am you to the city to call the people. And he dilated me to a mountain where he says, I am going to wait on this mountain, tell them to come for the adaptment. I never understood it. But when I became a Christian, then I started reading the Bible through the scripture. You knew, and not long, I became a leader. And then I walked through the ranks. And then after completing the paint, I felt like the Lord was leading me into evangelizing the rural area.

Bernard Sachie (09:22):
So I started from the ruler area. And then in 1993, I had a clear call to go to the Bible college. And after wheat, I came pastor in a church. And once I was puzzling, I knew that I was actually into evangelism. And so in 2004, I came in contact with African enterprise. I was asked to organize, I’ve got enterprise festival or mission in a city where I was living. And after I have done that a year later the then team leader called me and said, would you come to our CRA and work for us? And I prayed, I consulted my wife and some other friends. And I had a clear conviction that this is the we go now when I joined African enterprise and I looked at the mission statement, vandalizing the cities of Africa through whether indeed it resonated with the vision that I had, God calling me into the city to call people and direct them to himself. And so this is where I see myself as an evangelist, actually living to fulfill the code that God has given to me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:27):
Well, I so love your passion for Jesus and your passion for evangelism. It’s wonderful to hear what God is doing through you in Ghana. And one day I hope to come preach with you and Ghana.

Bernard Sachie (10:39):
Come. You are welcome. I cannot wait to see you then.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:44):
Thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast.

Bernard Sachie (10:46):
Thank You my brother, God bless.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:48):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month, you can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead. At least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (12:07):
Formation about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

 

Francis Mkandawire | General Secretary of the Evangelical Association of Malawi

Francis Mkandawire is the General Secretary of the Evangelical Association of Malawi. Today we discuss the strategies the church in Malawi is developing in order to reach people for Jesus and some of the challenges they are facing.

Website: https://www.eamalawi.org/

Please listen to The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelism Coach Daniel King

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Reverend Francis mud candle weary is the general secretary of the evangelical association of Malawi. Today we discuss the strategies. The church in Malawi is developing in order to reach people for Jesus. And we talk about some of the challenges the churches in Malawi are facing Jesus.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:30):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:54):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King. And today I have a very special guest Reverend Francis Mkandawire.

Francis Mkandawire (01:05):
I’m the general secretary for the evangelical association of Malawi.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:11):
And so you have been helping to lead the evangelical association of Malawi for many years, brother. Can you tell me, what is God doing here in the nation of Malawi?

Francis Mkandawire (01:22):
God is doing a lot or necessary. Possibly if we are much more obedient to him, he would have done even far, much better. We’ve let him down many times, but God is doing a lot. We w people are getting saved machetes are reaching out, I think, to, to Accra across the country. We seen churches that are getting together awaking together, which was not the case before. You’re talking of the, the mainline churches, which are there, they’re there, the Presbyterians angry, Cannes Baptists. And then the other side, the Pentecostals charismatics, and I now United, they never, you do. They used to work together. They were waking in isolation, but now we’re working together. And and the reaching out Malawi for Jesus’ love Milan festival is a clear, clear testimony of that unity of mind and peppers for the churches when it comes to evangelization of our nation. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:21):
I think that makes Jesus very happy. Jesus prayed that the church would be one as he is he and the father are one. And so when unity comes, that makes God so happy. Tell me, how has the unity come in the church? What has brought more unity among the various denominations and churches?

Francis Mkandawire (02:42):
I think there are a lot of factors. First and foremost, I think it’s a, we’ve done a lot, especially through the evangelical association of Malawi. Most of them are members. Most of these are members of India question Malawi and the, through the, the it providing platforms, join platforms for them to, into, to network share experiences. I think many, many of them are discovering that DVT. We w we are, we have one ma one, one goal and so on. So I think there they’re setting aside the boundaries between them are breaking as it were, and now they’re getting closer to each other, but also the challenges that we’ve had as a country we Malawi is we are facing a lot of challenges for, especially from the, from the the Islamic faith and many other fits men at that groups in Malawi. And because of that, you’ll find that the church is really being squeezed to a corner and they there’s, you know, each one of us realizes that on our own as individuals, we cannot survive. So we need each other. So I think challenges tend to help you budget together and, and so on. And that’s exactly what’s happening. The, we have the, the Islam is growing now in Africa especially in Southern Africa and Malawi has not been spared to that from that. So I think all those challenges are forcing us to,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:10):
Yeah, there’s last week I was up in Bellanca and we saw so many mosques that have been built, and I even saw an Islamic reading center where they’re asking people to come in and ask questions for, and even schools where I was told that the, the Islamic faith is, is paying for people to go to school. So it seems like there is a real, real strategy among Islam to actively turn people towards Islam. And I think it is important for the church of Jesus Christ to, to also think strategically because we don’t wrestle against flesh and blood. We’re not against people, but we do know that there is a spiritual battle, which is being fought in the heavenlies. What are some of the strategies and the thinking of the churches here in Malawi for evangelization and reaching people for Jesus?

Francis Mkandawire (05:07):
Yes. We talk about reaching out to possibly Muslims in this country. What has happened is that many churches in my Laue do not know how to handle people have to handle Islam. I mean, people from Islamic faith, and they don’t even know how, what they believe in, in terms of or that, so what we’ve done is we’ve gotten it, we, as, as a, as an association is we’ve come up with trainings to make sure that we, we orient them on what it is easy so that they can understand what Islam is. And I know how best they can reach them out. That’s why, so we’re working closely with a number of, or edgy says that are specialized, especially in, in, in, in the ministry to Muslims. And then we, we, we are also encouraging churches that look at the tendency sometimes to stop them that the Muslims that have this strategy and they preventing their strategy building Buddha, building mosques, they are building schools and so on.

Francis Mkandawire (06:17):
And because we are Malawi’s predominantly Christian country want to say, no, no, no, no, this should stop it, but I would tell them, no, that’s their strategy. I mean, it’s this freedom of worship in this country. And people can have a free to, to, to propagate their faith Jude, to come up with the strategy, let’s come up with a strategy or now based. We can reach out to those people and so on with our own strategy. So, honestly, right now, as I’m speaking to you, we have churches that are working on, on, on coming up with a very, very clear strategy that will disseminate that across the country, in terms of reaching out, especially to our colleagues, Muslims, we are not as you say, we’re not fighting against flesh and blood. Okay. We are, we are

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:04):
We love everyone. I love Muslims and Muslims love me. And I love having relationships with,

Francis Mkandawire (07:11):
By the way, we talk about relationships in Malawi here, we’ve got wonderful relationships with Muslims. I mean, we have the Christian Christian religious bodies, we have the Malawi [inaudible] evangelical association, Alma, which, which we belong to and then work very closely with the Muslim, the Muslim association of Malawi at the top work very well. Actually, we, we, we have, we have we jointly make representation before government or many other issues. And we speak with one voice there, of course would have loved what is happening up here at the top at the national level should also be reflected on the grassroots because that’s where the rubber meets the ground. Unfortunately, I think our people on the grassroots at sometimes they they tend to collide. So we have always to go back and help them. And with recent, we have, we have had a number of crashes here and there, but to praise God, because at the top here, we are able to talk. We’re able to read it to, to bring peace down here. I think that’s very important. So we have a solvent that yes, whilst we’re trying to, to reach out to them with gospel our Lord Jesus Christ, the key issue should be relationships because we lit where with them, it’s easier for us to do that. I think very important. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:34):
Let’s talk about the love Malawi festival. You’ve been helping to, to organize this. And of course, Andrew Pulau came to long way several years ago in 2016. And now here in bland tire, a second big gospel festival. Tell me what impact these festivals, these loved Balawi festivals are having on this nation. Well, puff.

Francis Mkandawire (09:01):
Oh, awful. I think the first impact is the unity of the churches, churches, you know, they, they they, they work together. I love my old festival has managed like you’re talking about, but five years ago, 2016, when we were in a very long way churches we saw the, you need that, that that that CA came about because of love Malawi changes that it worked together well, they had one goal and so on and seminary in Atlanta, we sing a weekend together that we’ve never seen before churches opening up there. They are, they are, they are congregations and and participating and helping each other and so on. And wherever you go at, at, at, at the city level, as well as at various zones zones, churches are really working together. That to me is possible.

Francis Mkandawire (09:56):
I know the best best thing, but secondly is the training. We’ve received very, very good training when it comes to evangelism, very good training when it comes to canceling and all that that these teachers have had. They have people trained and that training will go beyond even love Malawi. So we, we are saying love malware has lived a powerful deposit, and we, we will look in, we’re looking on to, to to, to ask continuing beyond the love Malawi. And as a [inaudible] one thing we’ve done is to do, to get to these churches and tell them to say, look here, love Malawi’s here. It will go. But we want to, you have been trained, you’ve been trained, you’ve been trained to reach out and we want you to continue and we’ll be following you up. And that’s basically, so we were expecting a lot of things to come out of this love Malawi trend, besides the so many sores that are, that are likely to be, to be saved, who we hope there’ll be trained and developed in the churches.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:05):
Yeah. That’s awesome. Well, pastor, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. You are a great blessing.

Francis Mkandawire (11:11):
Oh, thank you. It’s it’s a pleasure. Thank you. God bless you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:15):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month, you can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead. At least one person to Jesus every single month. For $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (12:35):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
[Inaudible].

 

Action Sports Outreach | Attracting the Lost with Bike Tricks

Action Sports Outreach uses extreme sports and bike tricks to reach people for Jesus. Today, John Andrus, Dustin Orem, and Logan Heiman explain how they use their unique talent as bait to go fishing for a lost generation.

Website: https://actionsportsoutreach.com/

The Evangelism Podcast is hosted by Evangelism Coach Daniel King. Subscribe today.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Action sports outreach uses extreme sports and bike tricks to reach people for Jesus today, John Andrus, Dustin Oram and Logan Hyman. Explain how they use their unique talent as bait to go fishing for a lost generation.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:19):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:55):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have three special guests, John Dustin, and Logan, and they are all part of action sports outreach. And we are here in the nation of Malawi. Each of you have brought a bicycle with you. Tell me, how have you been using your bicycles to reach people for Jesus?

John Andrus (01:21):
We’re bicycle riders, we love doing tricks. We love to use it to entertain. We just have that in us. We’d love to do crazy things and to take our sport to the next level, but being able to use it as a tool to bring smiles, to bring joy to people and just to open people’s ears up just for a moment so that we can, we can drop Jesus into them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:40):
That’s awesome. And so, as we’ve gone out into different schools out in the streets even during the festivals, you guys have brought your bicycles with you. And I remember Dustin, we were in one of the cities last week and we were out on the street and you started doing bike tricks. And just instantly, there were several hundred kids that just gathered around and it just instantly pulled people in. And then we got to preach the gospel to them. Now,

Dustin Orem (02:12):
The Lord’s so good and it’s such a blessing how he uses something as simple as the, the BMX bike as a resource to gather people that his, his good news would be heard, and that he’d be able to take people from death to life. And we’re just thankful to use the bicycles as a, as a tool to come alongside the churches, the local communities, pastors ministers and work with evangelists at large to proclaim proclaim Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:43):
Now, several times, I’ve heard you do an illustration with your bike. You put your bike down to the ground and you say bicycle do tricks. How do you use that to share the gospel?

Dustin Orem (02:54):
Just looking at John 15, where the branch and the vine and the, just like the branch can do nothing apart from the vine. Neither can we do anything apart from Jesus, but bicycle CRE with value and purpose is built for relationship and without the rider, it just sits there and using that to illustrate as they just saw stunts or are about to see stunts and are excited for that, but want that visual to be made known as we do that. But this is all for Jesus says just like the bicycle. We can do nothing apart from Jesus Christ and using that as an illustration to start that, and then be able to go into what we need to restore that relationship is in that moment. I’m not on the bicycle, the bicycles laying on the ground. So there’s a separation for it to go and what it’s supposed to, to do the stunts that it was created to do. And so they’re able to see that and we can go into our need for Jesus and the separation we have due to sin and, and what he has done to restore that relationship to walk in the power. He, he gives,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:54):
So each of you love bike riding, and you’ve kind of grown up, I guess, since you were young kids just loving to ride bikes, but how did you transition from being just a bike rider to becoming evangelists? Because now you guys are actually using your skill in order to preach the gospel. How did that happen?

John Andrus (04:13):
But yeah, for me, about 20 years ago I was deep in, in the BMX and skateboard culture. I loved it and I was a Christian at the time, a new Christian and you know, I spent a lot of time at church being discipled and just excited to be a part of the worship team and all that. And at, at the time 20 years ago, nobody was really using action sports in like a ministry way. And the Luis Palau association, they came out with a DVD that they put together called live in it. I was skateboarders pro skateboarders, pro BMX riders put together this video of them just doing what they love and then mix the gospel message in there. And I was like, wow, there’s Christians that do this. And they do it for ministry. And so the Lewis Paul association was actually a cool hub that a lot of Christian ministries that did action sports started to come together to. And we ultimately, that’s where Dustin and I met and we met Vic Murphy and all these other ministries, even you Daniel King, we met through this hub the global evangelist or the global network of evangelists. Yeah. So it, so that was actually a cool connection point for us to see how we can use sports for the kingdom. Yeah. I really liked

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:17):
The global network of evangelists. They have an expression, they say there’s many expressions, but one message. And so you guys are evangelists using your bikes and then other people may have gifts in different areas, but you are using the talent, the gifting that God has given you to bring glory to him, which, which is amazing. Logan, what is this trip to Africa been like for you? What have you learned from this? What have you, what’s your experience? And

Logan Heiman (05:47):
So it’s been amazing. I mean, Dustin and I been here three weeks now, John just got here, you’ve been here. We’ve been with you the whole time Daniel brought up. Yeah. So I’ve done trips similar to this. But I haven’t done anything with either the Global Network of Evangelists or the Palau’s. And I mean, just for me seeing how much like God is doing globally and how honestly small the world is like with all these festivals. And I mean, the whole team is from so many different countries. So yeah, it’s really opened my eyes. We did India, Dustin and I, and it wasn’t as evangelistic. But yeah, this trip has been eyeopening and just so motivating and revived my joy in the Lord riding and just life in travel and in my heart for people. So, yeah, it’s been amazing

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:43):
Action. Sports outreach does not only do stuff here in Africa. You’re very active in America doing outreaches. Tell me some about what an outreach in the context of the United States would look, look like.

John Andrus (06:59):
Yeah. So our, the stage name for our, for our show team, the stage name is the stunt dudes. And we use that and we just put on events with ramps, we set up ramps, we set up sound high energy music, and we just do an entertainment. It’s kinda like the modern day circus with without the outfits and everything. And and, and

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:18):
No elephants, can I confirm there’s no elephants we’ve been

John Andrus (07:21):
Working on that. We’d really love to get some live animals.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:23):
They get an elephant that rides a bike. That would be the best.

John Andrus (07:27):
I mean, the future hopefully holds some pyrotechnics and explosions and fires and animals. I mean, that’s, that’s the vibe we’re going for with the stunt it’s so yeah, we just put on high energy entertaining shows and we try to have everything lead to the cross. So we just want people to know Jesus and do it in a very fun, exciting way. So we’ll set up in parking lots on church stages. Pretty much anywhere you can think of. We go into the schools, we go into the prisons anywhere that you can put two wheels of a bike or a skateboard we’ll, we’ll set it up and we’ll start doing some crazy tricks and having some fun for the Lord.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:59):
And so what type of venues do you go into, do you go to churches, schools you do just outreaches in city squares.

John Andrus (08:08):
Yeah, we do. We really do a variety of pretty much anywhere you can put a bicycle. So one of the, one of the models we really like in the states is when we can do school assemblies, we’ll do a week of school assemblies, and then we can’t do the gospel message in public schools, but we can invite them to to an outreach. So, so we’ll have like a weekend event and we’ll saturate a small city with the gospel through the school, not the gospel, what, with an invitation through the school assemblies and then have a big event on the weekend and invite them to come out. And that way we get a huge turnout usually. And we see a lot of people respond to Christ

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:41):
Yesterday. I heard you preach a message, give an altar call. It was thousands of kids were surrounding the ramps and you just started to preach to them. What does that feel like when you have an opportunity to take someone from darkness and bring them into the light?

John Andrus (09:00):
Oh man, there’s, there’s nothing greater than just making eye contact with people. When you can tell that they’re thinking about the God of the universe and thinking about where they’re standing with him and seeing that they can have a free gift of eternal life and be right with God that day. So just seeing people’s faces as they’re hearing the gospel, it’s what I live for. And so, you know, a lot of times we only have a short amount of time to share the gospel. And so, like we have heavy convictions of like bringing the truth as, as much as possible in a short amount of time. And to be able to let people know that they don’t have to earn their way to heaven, like Christ already came, he earned the way he paid the way for them. And they have to believe in receive, turn and follow him and they can have eternal life. And I mean, we wouldn’t be doing this if it wasn’t for that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:44):
Well, I so admire your gift, your skill. When you do a flip on the bike or jump high, everyone is oohing and aahing, but you always make sure Dustin, you ride back up on the platform and you point to heaven and give the glory to God. And, and so I just love that. It love what you guys do, and I’m so honored to partner with you in order to bring people to Jesus. Awesome

John Andrus (10:09):
Glory,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:09):
Lord. So thank you for being on the evangelism podcast. I appreciate it.

John Andrus (10:14):
Thank you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:16):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month. You can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reached people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (11:35):
Information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

 

Wesley Paul | Connecting People to Jesus

Wesley Paul was born in India, but now he is an evangelist who loves to connect people to Jesus. When he was a child, he listened to “open-air” preachers in India and he dreamed about having the opportunity to share the Gospel. Now, God has opened to door for him to preach to large crowds in more than thirty nations.

Website: https://wesleypaul.org/

Check out The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelism Coach Daniel King

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Wesley Paul was born in India, but now he’s an evangelist who loves to connect people to Jesus. When he was a child, he listened to open air preachers in India, and he dreamed about having the opportunity to share the gospel. Now, God has opened the door for him to preach the large crowds in more than 30 nations.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:21):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:56):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King. Did they have a special guest? Wesley Paul, thank you for joining me today.

Wesley Paul (01:04):
It’s great to be here with you, Daniel. I’m learning so much from you, man.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:08):
Well, you were born in the nation of India. Now you live in Kentucky. Tell me about how God has brought you to where you are now.

Wesley Paul (01:18):
Well, I moved to Kentucky in 1984. I came by fate. I left India with $20, trusting God for all my needs, and I’ve seen God just take care of me and provide for me. We so I came to Canada first and then from there, I went to Cumberland College, which is called the University of The Cumberland’s now. So that’s what I finished up and went to new Orleans seminary and then do Iowa.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:47):
And so you’ve been doing evangelism in many different places around the world. How did you become an evangelist?

Wesley Paul (01:54):
Well, I was when I was in India, I’d watch these guys come and do these large crusades. And I tell myself, you know, I’m going to be an evangelist someday. That must’ve been what, eight, nine years old little kid. So even now when I’m preaching, I’m looking for those eight, nine year olds because I figured maybe one of them is going to be an evangelist like me. So I grew up with that in my head, you know, that I would be one day an evangelist. And so everything I did schooling college, I thought I’m going to get ready for that. But along the way, I lost my way a 16 to 18, 19 years old. I was just, just a lost kid, but God found me and restored me and kept that passion going to be an evangelist. So when I went to college, I was a youth minister and then seminary pastor chaplains. So it took me until nine. It took me about 1998 to surrender and to become, you know, in that field of being an evangelist.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:54):
And it sounds like one of the things that, that really helps you in your path to becoming an evangelist was your association with the next generational Alliance, your relationship with Luis Palau and his example as an evangelist, what are some of the things you learned from being with Luis Palau?

Wesley Paul (03:13):
Well, in 1999, I became one of the next generation Alliance evangelists. I mean, I’ve learned so much Lewis would roll up our sleeves and say, I see Vangelis, man. We’ve got to stick together. And so I like what we, you and I are doing right now. Exactly what we’re living in Louis’ dream. And then he said, go to the small towns and do these festivals. You might not get the invitation to go to big towns. So don’t be this big headed guy that thinks you’re some, some movie star that’s got to have a platform and a stage, just go wherever the Lord opens the door.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:47):
And so you’ve been doing that in your ministry. Tell me some of the places that God has opened up doors for you.

Wesley Paul (03:53):
Well, I have to give credit to Louis for this, I got a call one day said, Hey, would you like to come to Puerto Rico? And I’m like, wow, Puerto Rico is like going to Hawaii or something. So I said, of course, and they said, I’ll pay, we’ll want you to come there for a week. We’ll pay you our way down there. We’ll give you an honorarium, puts you up in a nice apartment. And I was like, wow. And I asked him, how did you even get my name and where, how you calling? And he said, well, we went down to the Luis Palau website and we saw your name as one of the evangelists. So we thought that Lewis doesn’t hang out with shady people. So we thought we’ll invite you over. So, man, I went to Puerto Rico in 2003 as a result of that.

Wesley Paul (04:35):
And, and I’ve been going there ever since every year and I’ve done several meetings and so many churches there love our ministry and support us. And they’ve sent me to the ends of the earth. So I got to thank Louis for opening that door, but there’s so many things I learned like that, you know, we got to work together. Doors have open because I tell people that, you know, we were with Luis Palau ministry. So people trust that. And I’ve also gained boldness and confidence because you know, you go to a big city and you meet with pastors and leaders. You can, you watch Louis do this, you know, bring churches and cities together. So I feel like I’m one of his offsprings. I’ll just go in and say, yeah, we’ve done these meetings. And, and, and my has done them and we’d love to talk to your churches. And so it just gives us an edge, a boldness that if Louis can do it, I can do it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:27):
Let’s talk about India. 1.2 billion people live in the nation of India. For some evangelist, evangelism in India has become very difficult. Some have even been kicked out because of visa issues, but it’s a huge harvest field. And I know that God loves India and God wants India to come to Jesus. Well, what do you think God wants to do in the nation of India?

Wesley Paul (05:54):
Well, I think India is such an opportune. Even I sometimes being born there, I feel like, what am I doing here? This is such a vast ocean. What difference am I making? You might feel that way too, but I’m telling you, when you go there and God uses you with one person or one family or one village, you see the impact. And, and I believe that you know, I used to do a lot of meetings in the south and there’s a lot of people in the south were believers. So if anybody is going, I want to encourage you not just to go to the south, but think of the north, think of the west, the Bengali, the Eastern parts of India and other parts, because south has the gospel or mean when somebody has heard the gospel once, why should they hurt here at two times and three times and four times go to places in India where you are very few people have heard the gospel.

Wesley Paul (06:48):
And so now I go to the Northern parts and there’s so much harvest. Then I mean, I see miracles and signs and wonders and, and God does that. One of the guys that I’m mentoring his name is Andrew. Every village, he goes to, there’s a miracle. There’s one story I can quickly say somebody called him and said, come cast out this demon and this woman. And he got us on his phone and cast out this evil spirit, right? So the village said they wanted to honor him. So when they, when he came, they were like waiting for him. Like he was a movie star like garlands and flowers, 50, 60 people, families. This is not just with, they want him to start a church in their village. So just even over a phone, somebody could, you know, show and manifest the power of God.

Wesley Paul (07:35):
So I’m saying, I don’t know whether it’s on zoom or whether it’s on whatever way you can do ministry in India, do it because the people in India need the gospel and India can be reached. And one of the goals I have is to train evangelists in India. And I think Daniel, you and I talked about that. We need to find those evangelists and encourage them and help them just like Luis Palau did for us, the boldness and the encouragement I got, I’ve been able to do big things. And I want those Indian evangelists feel that confidence as well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:06):
Tell me some testimonies of what you have seen God do in various nations that you’ve gone to.

Wesley Paul (08:16):
One of the vivid pictures I have is of being in Roger, Stan, and part of India, where there were so many people are packed in this small auditorium, seven, 800 people. And I asked the pastor, I saw no homes around here, only rocks and you know, mountains of rocks and how, where did these people come? And he said, they come here because they’re oppressed by demonic spirits. They are sick and they need deliverance. They need healing. And when they come here to the church, I pray for them. And mind you, Daniel, this guy is uneducated, illiterate, but stands there with a Bible in his hand with his few scriptures in his, the authority of God and the power of God is on him. And when I was in his church, God was doing amazing miracles and signs and wonders. People were getting saved.

Wesley Paul (09:05):
And so I asked him of course the same question, how are people coming? And when he told me that, when they see God do these powerful things, they tell their neighbor and the neighbor tells them. And so what I want to encourage people is to lean into that power of God, lean into that authority that God has given you to cast out demons in the heal, the sick, because if we don’t do that nations, like India will never see God. You know, it’s not just a belief, but they need to experience God, they’ll say, oh, we believe in Jesus. He’s like another God, no, no, no. I want them to experience that he is the living God. Another experience I had was I was in this big, large event in India. In these front of the podium, there was so many demons.

Wesley Paul (09:49):
There was like snakes, dancing. I mean, women were, you know, just putting, pulling their hair and they were riding. They were just shaking. I mean, it was just weird. And you, if you’ve seen a demon possessed thing, my heart really felt so broken in our wept that night, when I came back to the room and I said, God, my people are so tormented. You need to deliver them, raise up pastors of believe in that power of the holy ghost so that they can be set free. I mean, I’ve seen so many miracles, man. I don’t know, we could, we could talk about it all day long, but these are things that I really shake me and other need for people to be delivered the need for the gospel to be not just preach, but experience

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:31):
As an evangelist. Not only do you preach the gospel, but you also work to empower believers to share their faith. Tell me how do you do that? What encouragement do you give?

Wesley Paul (10:43):
Well, I, I tell people as an evangelist, whereas we’re called to equip others to share their faith. So I love using the three circles, which I don’t know if you use it. If you come across, that’s really a powerful tool.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:55):
Yeah. As a matter of fact, I have some articles about three circles on my website and even a place where people can download load some graphics and print stickers. If they want to, at what I do, I encourage people to put a sticker on the back of their phone with the three circles. And so everywhere they go, they’re ready to share the gospel, whether they’re standing in line at Starbucks or

Wesley Paul (11:17):
I was in Lilongwe airport at the security guy who would help me with my phone. I shared with them through three circles and I, and there was another guy looking in on what we were doing. And I said to him, Tippo, you share with him now. So he was excited about that. So I teach people how to share through tools like that. But I also, I found then it’s just easy if you’re really in touch with God, if you’re really in communion with God intimacy with God, it all flows. Like for example, my wife and I were a couple of weeks before we came here at a restaurant and this lady, a young lady by the name of Aubrey was waiting on us. So I just said, Hey, Aubrey, we’re going to pray for our food. How can we, you know, pray and, and what can we pray for you?

Wesley Paul (12:04):
And she said, well, I’ve got, I’m married. And I have two kids and pray for my kids, for my husband and my work. And I said, so when you go to church, where do you go to church Aubrey? And she’s like, oh, it was 13 years ago, or so I used to go to church and I used to be real, real, real, regular. And I said, how about your husband? Oh yeah, he was really religious. And he hasn’t gotten back in church. And I said, my friend’s church is right down the street. If I gave you his information, would you go? She said, absolutely. So it was a point of connection. Some people, you know, just need to be encouraged to go to church or get back in relationship with God. But you can have those conversations when you are, whether eating somewhere, whether you’re dining, my wife, who I was at a phone shop one time and was looking at all the specs on a phone, you know, asking what gigabyte does it have and what surf my wife like, oh, so when you go to church, what are you going to church?

Wesley Paul (13:00):
And so she was tuned into that guy. And so, you know, I think there’s so many ways. It just, if we’re really sensitive to people around us and wonder, you know, Hey, how’s their soul. I think that sensitivities, you know, if we keep asking, God, God show me my assignment today. God, I love you so much. I want to talk about you. You know, the other day I was reading John 17 and Jesus in towards the last part of it. I think verse 23 or something, Jesus said, father, I have made you known to them. That’s what Jesus says, that he was witnessing that that’s the model I want to practice father. I have made you known to them and I am praying for them that they will make you known to others and that your love would be in them. I mean, Jesus wants that, that, that his love father’s love would be in them and the word of God would be in them.

Wesley Paul (13:49):
So if that’s what Jesus was praying, I should be praying the same thing. So I think if, if, if it really comes down to the nitty gritty of it, I’m just saying, practice it as a lifestyle. Don’t do it because somebody told you, or because it’s the great commission or the great command doors, all right there in our face staring everyday. But if you feel obligated and if you feel like it’s, I gotta do this, it becomes legalistic. Get that out of your mind. It’s not legalism it’s I love Jesus. I want to talk about him just like Jesus loved the father. And he wanted the father’s love to be in other people. That’s just natural stuff. Right. And it just, if we love God, we want that love to be in other people. So anyway, that’s, that’s my take on evangelism.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:33):
Oh, that’s awesome. Let’s talk about what God is doing here in Malawi. You came in for the last night of our festival and we had just tremendous results. It was probably the largest night, over 10,000 people there on the field. And, and it was around 1600 decision cards that were filled out. You preached about Zack Kius

Wesley Paul (14:59):
Well, they knew that, that I was coming. So they all wanted to come see me. No, I’m just kidding. No, I, I just love preaching about this. The key is man. I love his character because he really is the epitome of a crooked man. And if God can change a crooked man like that, he can change anybody. So I love talking about that and how God converts people in my real goal was that to see people not just say, yeah, I believe in Christ, but I wanted to see them convert because we have too many Christians in Africa. We have too many Christians in America. They’re not converted. So my message in that is let’s be converted. Let’s, let’s really be authentic about our faith and not, you know, just kind of say we’re seekers. And we believe in God, but really not transformation. And so Jackie’s story really tells that transformation and it was really powerful to see, you know, all those people, 1,686 decisions that night,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:58):
It was powerful and your preaching was really powerful. And at the end, you prayed for the sick and God did some tremendous miracles in the lives of so many people there. If someone wants to know more about your ministry, what is your website?

Wesley Paul (16:13):
My website is just like my name, Wesley Paul, just like the John Wesley. That’s the Wesley. And then the Paul is like the apostle Paul: http://wesleypaul.org.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:24):
Wonderful. Well, if you want to know more about brother Wesley’s ministry, I encourage you to go check out his website and thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. Well,

Wesley Paul (16:34):
You know, you really encourage me and your passion for sharing Christ and I’m learning so much from you about being passionate for Christ. Thank you for having me here. And may God bless your ministry. And those of you know him, I pray that you continue to pray for him, his wife and Aziz out here in Africa and wherever else in the part of the world, we need your prayers and your support. Thank you for listening to us, but

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:58):
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Evangelism Podcast Host (18:18):
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Andrew Palau | Continuing the Palau Legacy

Andrew Palau is the son of Luis Palau. He gave his life to Jesus at his father’s festivals in Jamaica. Now he is an evangelist who boldly shares the good news. On today’s podcast, he shares his story of how God saved him, called him to be an evangelist, and opened the door for him to minister across Africa.

Website: http://www.palau.org 

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Please listen to The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelism Coach Daniel King

Transcript: 

Evangelist Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Andrew Palau is the son of Luis Palau. He gave his life to Jesus at his father’s festival in Jamaica. Now he’s an evangelist who boldly shares the good news on today’s podcast. He shares his story of how God saved him, called him to be an evangelist and open the door for him to minister across Africa and in many other parts of the world.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:34):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelist Coach Daniel King (00:58):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast today. I have a very special guest, Andrew Palau, the son of the great evangelists from Argentina, Luis Palau. And so we are sitting in the nation of Malawi tonight. The festival begins here in Blantyre brother. Andrew, thank you for being with me today. Good to be together,

Andrew Palau (01:20):
Daniel. Thank you. Thanks for coming. And we get to serve together again. It’s amazing, right?

Evangelist Coach Daniel King (01:25):
Yeah. So let’s start at the beginning. How did you come to Jesus? I know it’s a really great story and it involves coming to a festival.

Andrew Palau (01:34):
I love festivals. I am the jokes on me. I always say I came to the Lord out of Luis Palau festival in Kingston, Jamaica at the age of 27. And I was born and raised in that great Christian home. You said the great evangelist. I’m like, he was great. He is great. He’s greater than ever. Now six months ago, he went to be with the Lord and you know, the doctor said three to six months at first and the Lord give us three great years, so much accomplish so many great family dynamics advance. It’s just a tremendous blessing. But yeah, dad and mom you know, had their third son. That was me, twins, Kevin and Keith, then me and then my little brother, Steve, but you know, the Bible says all of us like sheep have gone astray.

Andrew Palau (02:21):
Each one has turned to their own way. So mom always says you, everybody wants to hear your testimony, but I had just as much trouble with Kevin, Keith and Steve, you know but my, my, you know, if we each go our own way, my way was longer away from the Lord, more burdensome, I suppose Kevin and Keith and Steve taming in their time. But I took so much longer, just ran off into the world and all the garbage of the world, alcohol and drugs and all those relationships of that lifestyle. And you know, had a great relationship, mom and dad, because I wasn’t an angry, you know belligerent rebel. I was much more difficult than that. I was just, you know, you just couldn’t pin me down. I was happy, nice out this facade on the outside, happy and peaceful. And, but inside there’s turmoil and a real selfish self-interest and they were trying to figure that out.

Andrew Palau (03:16):
What do we do? 27 years? I wandered away and they never gave up. And that’s how I came to faith. Really. I would, you know, God has chosen to use people who deliver the gospel, who lived the life. And that example, their love for one another. He says they will know about me and that, that they’re following me by their love to one another. I saw that in the world around me, eventually it impacted me, but mom and dad prayed for me and that’s really foundational, right? The power of prayer is so critical in the salvation story of anybody. And I see that so powerfully in my life, they lived the life. That’s the second thing they did. They were just faithful, you know, and they weren’t perfect, but they were changed and you could see it. And when everything crumbled around me in that sense, you know, and it became evident.

Andrew Palau (04:04):
I looked around and like, where can I go from here? And it’s like, there’s that island of strength of people with peace and in this troubling world and you, you gravitate to it, right? It’s like the aroma of life to you then. And I moved towards it. So then they shared with me the gospel and in so many ways, one-on-one sending people after me, you know, sending me books, writing me letters. But ultimately I was living in Boston five years out of the university working my way up, the corporate ladder. That sounds better than it really was. But I was out there in Boston working and they, they just said, son, we’re having this festival. It’s in Jamaica. Do you want to come? And I was like, I don’t really want to go to the festival, but I do want to go to Jamaica.

Andrew Palau (04:49):
And when I went out there, the Lord had been orchestrating things in such a way, unbeknownst to me or them really. I think they just moved in obedience to the spirit. Like they had a lot of festivals. They didn’t invite me to, but when the spirit prompted them, they were faithful and they invited me. And I went out there and long story short, you know when I heard that gospel message for the thousands of time, I would suppose. It’s just like, like we hear you hear people say this all the time and maybe, you know, some of you have experienced it where you’re in a crowd and it feels like it’s just you and God. And I sense that it’s like, I know dad’s preaching. I suspected he was needling me and, you know, going for me. But it wasn’t really evident by the message.

Andrew Palau (05:32):
I think he was preaching about the rich, rich young ruler that night. I’m like, I’m not rich. I don’t rule anything. This isn’t for me, but it was for me. And the spirit was pushing me and, and, and the hound of heaven, you know, getting me and I, I finally relented and just said, God, please, will you forgive me? And of course he is faithful. Cleansed me in that moment, lifted me up, took the shame and the guilt field, me of the many addictions that were harassing me, that I brought into my life and, you know, getting a new desires of my heart. And really my calling for the ministry came in that very moment. I’m kind of consolidating a couple moments really. But in that season of repentance, the Lord brought me this calling, which was very simple, which was that he just said, you’ll tell everyone what I’ve done. I had no idea what that meant, but I was like, of course, what else would I do look at what’s happening. I didn’t realize what he was saying. It came in sort of phases of revealing itself, you know what a good God we have. Huh. And that’s how it happened. And my wife was very involved. Her testimony as a Jamaican woman, her family involved in the festival. I saw her testimony and the testimony of her brother having recently come to faith, all these things come together. Don’t they?

Evangelist Coach Daniel King (06:49):
And then how did you start to grow in your understanding that you had the calling of an evangelist upon your life? Because of course your, your, your father was an evangelist, had that strong calling on his life. How did that desire to preach the gospel, start to grow in you?

Andrew Palau (07:05):
I wanted people to experience what I’d experienced. You know, you, you experienced that radical transformation for me. Some people are really in longer slower seasons and then they come, but for me, it was just that incredible radical transformation and lifting. So it was startling to me and stark, you know, from death to life, from dark to light. And I wanted everyone to experience it. I just thought I’ll do whatever it takes. So I see my dad is Luis Palau, his work as effective as I’ve experienced. I want to empower it with any small thing I could do. So I started carrying his bags and learning and growing. I had no intention or idea in my mind at all of being a preaching evangelist being up on in front of people was like, it was so far outside the realm of my interest or capacity. It was horrifying to think of, of it.

Andrew Palau (07:59):
So I was just thinking of, maybe I can serve dad and become part of the team. I would spend my life for this and the, whatever, whatever it is. But as I began to do that, opportunities would come in. The cities, people would think, oh, there’s lease plus son. He will maybe he’ll come to our school or maybe we’ll come to this. And I resisted it so much. I was like, dad don’t do that to me. I don’t want to go up front. And he was like sympathetic, but not really. He would put me in front and say, just tell them what God did. And I would, I remember the first time ever, I was so angry at him. I just couldn’t believe he would do it to me. And he, we were at a school. I think it was in Guatemala, my first international trip with him.

Andrew Palau (08:38):
And there was a school and I, I, I thought of trying to share my testimony. It was confusing to me even to think, what did God do? I don’t know how to describe it, but I did my best in many tears, bawling. The interpreter couldn’t even interpret practically. He probably made his own message up because I was so myself. And but I think it was, you know, 80 boys came to faith that day. And I, and I think dad noted it. I just thought, wow, that’s crazy. It just goes to show there’s power in the gospel, because that was weird. But that, that was like a moment. I always think back to my friend Dan Owens, who is a great evangelist. Do you remember Dan? You might not have met him. He went to be with the Lord. He was on our staff at that time as a really a right-hand man to dad an encourager and evangelist.

Andrew Palau (09:26):
And he, he took me under his wing and right after I got back, he said, Andrew, come with me. He was doing a crusade in a little town called Brookings, Oregon, tiny little coastal town in Southern Oregon. And I was so excited. Oh, I get to go with Dan and carry his bags and learn and grow from him. And on the on the, on the ride in the van, down to the coast, he said to me, just like an hour out of town, it’s like a six hour drive. He said, on, on Saturday night, you’re going to share your testimony, Andrew. And I was like, no, you’re insane. I’m not going to do it. I just did it in Guatemala. It was a disaster. I hate it. It’s agony, I’m terrible. And he’s like, you’re doing it. And I was like, okay. I said, I would do what, you know, he’s my boss.

Andrew Palau (10:10):
I got to do it. So I did it. Same thing, tears, almost indecipherable, you know, but I tried, he reminded me of the simple facts. Don’t miss the cross. Don’t, you know, deliver the gospel, share your story. Trust the Lord. Many people came to faith and, you know, I just had a little moments of opportunity along the way. And it, it became evident. It was many years later. I think it was probably 12 years of serving dad and in directing crusades and directing festivals, eventually that at a point in time the pressure came. I was like, Moses, you know, I suppose I’m pretty sympathetic to Moses because he, when he said to God, like you got the wrong guy, I don’t talk so good. You know, he probably, it probably was true, right? It’s not like you have some massive eloquent driven. Like from the day he was born, just give me a crowd.

Andrew Palau (11:05):
He felt what was true in the flesh and the human side. He probably was terrible, but God didn’t care about that. He said, I told you to do it. Are you going to do it? Yes or no. And I remember in this season where I was being moved into the preaching evangelism part, I’m kind of fast forwarding to that. It was agony for about a year. Things were getting tense and you know, my disobedience to that call began to reveal itself, even in relationships and with me and Wendy. And she’s like, what is wrong with you? Don’t you see, you know, like you guys are trying to push, I thought they were operating in the flesh. Like you guys all just think that just because I’m an Elisa son that I’m going to be evangelists, that doesn’t even make sense. But it w it was, it was what God had for me.

Andrew Palau (11:48):
Finally, I was reading about Moses and in, just in this disturbed season resisting and I read that story. And then I got to the part where zipper, Torah, Moses, his wife realized that it said the Lord was coming to take Moses’s life. Like, you look at the texts, you think, oh, it looks like God. And Moses worked it out. Right. But Moses was going to get it, you know? And I, I, it’s just this revelation in my mind of like, that’s you. And I really felt this genuine sense that like, I’m dead. You know, that the Lord has given me this opportunity and he’s coming to take me. I don’t know if he would have taken my life or just taking the opportunity for me, whatever it would have been. It was serious. And it was like an immediate, like in the same way, my conversion was immediate.

Andrew Palau (12:39):
I just immediately repented. I’m like, I it’s like you. I came to my senses. Right. And I was like, oh God, please. I’m so sorry. If it’s not too late, forgive me. I will do it. I’ll do anything you say. I said, I’d do anything. And now it comes to this and I’m resisting. Please forgive me. And he was so merciful opened up the opportunities that came from them to, to be in cities and serve. I love the cities. I love the unity. I love since I see how it, it got me to that place. I see how it can get others to that place. And so I really believe in the model, how it brings unity, furthers, unity, really how it provides opportunities for for people to you know, it says as an evangelist, you’re going to be inefficient for preparing God’s people for works of service. So I see how the environment of the festival provides a lot of that. So you’re fulfilling that you’re proclaiming the gospel is pure joy to me. So long answers, Daniel, sorry,

Evangelist Coach Daniel King (13:36):
Your father was very well known throughout Latin America. And then later doing lots of festivals in the United States, but it seems like the door that God has really opened for you over the years has been right here in Africa. And so right now, we’re in Malawi. This is actually the second time that we have been in Malawi. In 2016, the Palau team came to Lilongwe, which is the capital Malawi. And at that time I came and collaborated on one of the satellite festivals. It was, it was Mizzou, which is like three hours north of long way. And it was me and Keith Cook, collaborating. And, and it’s, you know, it’s such a privilege to be a part of the global network of evangelists, which is your entire network of evangelists all over the world that you’re encouraging and helping, and, and this idea of collaboration that working together, that we can accomplish something much greater than if we all work apart. And so now we are in Blantyre. The city is named after the birthplace of David Livingstone, the first missionary Explorer who came through this part of Africa. And tell

Andrew Palau (14:51):
Me kind of what you have seen in this journey here in Malawi and kind of what the strategy is and what you’re hoping that God does in this nation. Yeah. Well, God gave me my once I’ve relented, I went to another mentor of mine, Tim Rob net, who has really been super involved in all of our evangelists, networking and relationships. He’s been such a great mentor to us all and discipler. He, he said to me at that time, I said, look I I’m I’m, I’m in, you know, forgive me. I had to ask everyone to forgive me for causing such a, you know, upheaval at the team. And he said, that’s fine. Ask the Lord for where you should be. And I said, what do you mean? He meant, he said, just geographically. And I began to think quickly, the Lord gave me this geographic understanding.

Andrew Palau (15:40):
Like, if you are involved in these areas each year, taking any open door that comes, that will be the fulfillment of what I’m asking to do. So it was a number of places in the U S Latin America, very obvious. The UK, there was a strange burden to say persist and a few other places, but Africa wasn’t there yet a year later. So that’s how I think, by the way, that’s why, if we have one festival in each of those places every year, six to eight, then I know like we’re on track. But Africa came when we adopted our daughter, Sadie from Ethiopia, the Lord added it, because at that time, dad had never been in Africa. We didn’t know anything about Africa, so it didn’t, it didn’t the Lord didn’t put it on my mind. It wasn’t a natural kind of supernatural thing.

Andrew Palau (16:27):
It was, it came later uniquely supernaturally to Wendy and I, when we were there in Addis Ababa, getting Saidy, the Lord just said, add it. And I said, happily, yes, but where do I start? I went back home to Tim Robinett and I said, Tim, you’re not going to believe this. God just, you know, God doesn’t speak to me like that much, maybe three or four times that clearly, and to me and Wendy together was like, whoa, what are we going to do? And I said, Tim, what do you think we should do? And it was amazing. He just put his hand on his desk and had a piece of paper on it. And he said, that’s very interesting because here’s a, an invitation for you, not Louise because everybody invited Lewis. And then if, if I, if he couldn’t do it, then they’d invite me and say, oh, okay.

Andrew Palau (17:10):
You know? But and it was for me, will Andrew plow come and do a festival in Kigali, Rwanda? And I was like, I was just floored. You know, I was like, what do you mean? Where does this come from? I don’t know anyone there, but somehow the Lord had orchestrated it just to confirm this thing. And Tim reminded me, I had been doing some things in Poland, Romania, India, with Tim’s guidance. Like we all have gone with Tim, right. He just a set us all up so beautifully and giving us chances. But, but he said, don’t forget. Also last year you were in Cairo, Egypt. And I had done my first African festival already and long story, I’m sorry, I get excited, but I’ll bore you to tears. But so he was like, God said 10 capital cities in 10 years, which was again, very weird, like very precise.

Andrew Palau (17:57):
I’m like, that sounds like a marketing campaign. Lord. I can’t tell anybody. And he’s like, well, then don’t tell anybody, but that’s your calling? So we had been in Cairo kind of a confirming, like, again, like Tim was right, just so you don’t think it’s your bright idea he had already begun to do at Kira was one Kigali. Now we went through the 10 capital cities. And from there he’s given us freedom to then expand to non-capital cities as well. So now I feel like we will push to when my, when I’m dying, I will have an African festival on the books, I suppose that would be my dream. And that’s why Africa became such a, such a passion for us. But in the beginning also, I thought I don’t ever want to go to the cities alone. I want to go with a team.

Andrew Palau (18:39):
Dad set the example. He gave us all these opportunities. And so in this festival here, like this week, there’s a ton of us, you know, spread out across the city. I have my part, but man, we’ve seen far more people come to faith in the schools that I haven’t had. I haven’t even had the privilege of going to the schools yet. It’s been all Malawi and evangelists in there. 12,000 people have come to faith already before the festival starts. Most of them, I think in those schools, you went to the schools, you and Wesley went.

Evangelist Coach Daniel King (19:08):
Yeah. And I came actually 10 days early and we did events in Balaka and Luchenza and Mulanje, and just saw tremendous results. I think Desmond Henry has added up all the numbers. We had total attendance over 60,000 people. So before even the big festival comes here to Blantyre, there’s always already been a tremendous harvest of what God is doing here. And

Andrew Palau (19:35):
Your festivals that you guys did have collaboration. My festivals have a massive collaboration. Yours has a massive collaboration and the whole thing is a massive collaboration. So that’s kind of, my vision is like to whatever degree we can just empower people in their gifts and introduce networks to each other. Then, you know, you really are building a strong momentum for the future that we can. We’ve been invited back. I know you guys have been invited back to Malawi because of the alliances over a thousand churches participating in Blantyre over a thousand churches, participating in your cities that you went to. It’s really beautiful. And we’re excited that there’s great days ahead for the, for us together and all of you you’re in it.

Evangelist Coach Daniel King (20:18):
Yeah. So if you’re an evangelist, I’d encourage you to go to evangelism.global. And that’s the website for the global network of evangelists. And you can find out more about how you can be a part, how you can join the GNE and how you can participate in helping to reach the world. Yeah.

Andrew Palau (20:38):
Thanks for bringing us together, Daniel. This Is great. Thank you for being on the evangelism podcast. I appreciate it. Keep going, tune in.

Evangelist Coach Daniel King (20:46):
Thanks so much. Listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel? Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month, you can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reached people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (22:04):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

 

Mark Young | African American with a Heart for Africa

Mark Young leads MASY ministries (which stands for Missionary and Servants of Yahwah). The goal of the ministry is to mobilize, engage and develop the next generations of urban youth for missions. As an African-American he has a heart for Africa and he wants to motivate African-American churches to become missions minded.

Website: https://www.masyministries.org/ 

Listen to the Evangelism Podcast with Evangelism Coach Daniel King

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Mark Young leads MASY Ministries, which stands for Missionary and Servants of Yahweh. The goal of the ministry is to mobilize, engage and develop the next generation of urban youth for missions. As an African-American Mark Young has a heart for Africa and he wants to motivate African-American churches to become missions minded.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:23):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:59):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a special guest with me, Reverend Mark Young. Thank you so much for joining me today.

Mark Young (01:12):
Thank you. Thank you for having me. And it is so, so much of a blessing. I’m just as excited as you cause I love to tell people about Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:19):
That’s awesome. You have a strong evangelistic calling on your life. Could you tell me, how did you become an evangelist?

Mark Young (01:29):
Tell you I was not anticipating to becoming an evangelist. I had a heart to put on a Christian concert because I love music. I love engineering music and I came to the Portland Fest in 2007 with the Louis Palau, trying to find out how to put on this concert. And when I left, I had no information about a concert, but I had everything about leading a person to Christ. So that’s when I started to see the calling of my life about leading people to the Lord and a strong relationship with the holy spirit.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:55):
And now you have really gotten involved with missions and you’re working on putting together a base in Zambia. Can you tell me about that?

Mark Young (02:05):
One of our hubs, one of the things was me and my wife said, as we love to share the gospel, we love to tell people about Jesus. We see the salvation and we see the of folks just really give their life to Christ. But then we leave little places like Zambia and Uganda, but those people were still not unemployed. And I look at the disciples and I like he had to call Peter from fishing. So our heart was how do we become a tangible beyond just giving them the gospel. So really we’re trying to build what we call a discipleship community, which is like the Nehemiah movement, not only building a wall, but building the hearts of the people.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:40):
That’s awesome. We’re here in the nation of Malawi with a love Malawi festival, with the group of evangelists. That’s under Louis Palau’s ministry. It’s called the global network of evangelists, the GNE. And tell me kind of what you have learned from being a part of this network of evangelists.

Mark Young (03:05):
As you speak of Luis, that was my Papa Honda. We know he’s gone home to me with the lawyer, but one thing that drew us to what he and his calling and his whole ministry was about was we can do more together. And unity is like the DNA of Massey. And what we say is unity does not mean looking the same, but it means everybody bringing their gifts to the table to impact the kingdom. And so that whole thing and allowing us to see what collaboration looked like, and then be a part of it is like a blessing for us.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:36):
What have you been doing in the United States to activate people for evangelism?

Mark Young (03:41):
Well, first of all, we, like I said, we are advantages, but it has missions attached. And we we do a couple of things. We do the city Fest, which is a crusade or festival model, but then we also do something called Massey meals where we serve the home is right on the side of the road on China and tablecloths. And my wife cooks a beautiful meal, but one of the things is we get people to sit to the table, to have a meal with the homeless people. And when we have that meal, the meal with the homeless people, we asked three questions. The first question is, tell us your story. We want to listen to you first. Then the next question is, where’s your walk with Christ that allows people to the homeless to tell their, you know, tell their story, whether they’re in church or whether they’re not in church, but we always say, the Lord will never leave you for safety.

Mark Young (04:26):
So it gives us a chance to share the gospel. And then the third one is how do we help you get you off the street? And what we do is we work with about four or five different churches. One helps them get birth certificates and social security cards that driver’s license. They also get like medical prescriptions with a prescription card, get showers. Then I would search, help some get food. And then there’s other churches that helps them get temporary housing. And all of these churches are different denominations because I know one church can not in homeless. So literally our whole team of massive ministry, we belong to different churches, but we come together as one evangelism group to actually exemplify what UNT looks like in the body of Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:05):
Now, as I’ve heard you speak here several times in Malawi, one of the things that you, you tell them, and you sound very proud of it. When you, you say it, you always say that you are African American. And so you have blood here in Africa, but you live in America. And I actually preach it. A lot of African-American churches across the United States, love preaches, always exciting and fun because sometimes they get the Oregon go in and everyone shouts. They talk back to you. Sometimes other churches, other denominations, you know, are very quiet and informal when they listen to me, but African-American churches are fun to preach it. But what I’ve noticed is that in some of these African-American churches, there’s not very many people that are involved in missionary work or missions. What do you think we can do in the United States to get more African-Americans involved in the mission field?

Mark Young (06:01):
One of the biggest things is they have to even understand that what missions is the name of our ministers missionaries and service of y’all way, because I came out of the AME African American Methodist Episcopal church. And my father was a pastor and I never knew what missionary left the church. I knew we gave up a little offering on a tithing envelope, but it wasn’t until I joined a nondenominational church that I noticed people left the church. So the African-American community is not really even educated on missionaries. So one of the things we need to do is first educate them. And then second to her, there’s a large community of African-Americans even in the Christian area, fear Africa. And as we say is when we were coming here, you know, people was like, well, do they have electricity? And are they living against the elephants in the lions?

Mark Young (06:48):
Or do they have cars or are you going to be sleeping in huts? And a lot of African-Americans have a fear to even come to Africa. So one of the things is education and then to build the bridge back you have, we were in Uganda and 20, 20, 20, 21. And the young girl X, my wife’s like, are you from Nigeria? And my wife, she was 11 years old. We were in Islams and my wife goes, no, I’m from America. She goes, what’s your black, this 11 year old has never seen an African-American that was black or American that was black. So building a bridge back, both sides, learn to know that they’re welcome here to do it. And then also let the Africans know that we are, we are there as well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:31):
I think the African-American church has a lot to offer churches here, especially in Africa. Like I work with different communities, different ethnic groups and in different areas. And so, for example, in Tulsa, we have a large Burmese community. We have 15,000 Burmese refugees that have come and settled in Tulsa. And so I go preach at their churches and I challenged them and say, here you have a good job. You have a nice car. You’ve been able to buy a nice house. It’s time for you to send some offerings back to the churches in Burma and help reach people for Jesus in that nation that you came from. And I think it’s time for the African-American church in America to, to rise up and in send money, resources come. Because Africa is wide open for the gospel…

Mark Young (08:23):
I totally agree. And that’s what Massey is trying to create that bridge to bring more of our African-American churches African-American youth. Sometimes we say African-American youth don’t know how blessed they are, you know to see how blessed they are to bring him, bring them there. And that’s a part of that Nehemiah movement is yes. We’re trying to build the hearts and build the people hearts back to Jesus here in Africa. But we also want to bring young folks here and African-American churches to see what God is doing in the country, where your ancestors came from.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:55):
Amen. If someone wants to get connected with your ministry, find out more about

Mark Young (09:00):
You, maybe even come with you on a missions trip, what’s your website. How can they find out more about, you can check us out, connect with us on www.masyministries.org. Or you can connect with us on Facebook, which is evangelist, Mark Young or Instagram MASY unite.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:25):
Now another neat thing is that you brought your wife on the strip and you told me that you never go anywhere without her. What is some of the benefits of serving God with a wife who comes and supports the missions work that you’re called to?

Mark Young (09:42):
Well, one of the biggest things, and I actually have released the book this year and it’s called, don’t try to save the world and lose your home. The thing about my father when I was 14, he died in a pulpit as a pastor on a Sunday, but the Sunday that he died Monday, he was going to divorce my mom. And not only he was a senior pastor, but at one time in the season, he was the mayor of the city, as well as a mortician with his own funeral home. And I say he was saving the world, but he was losing his home. So the fact that my wife always say, she’s my sweetheart. And when I’m not with those I’m sugar-free, but she’s just as much of an evangelist of IO and being co-laboring not leaving her behind or not having her were, were empty nest, empty nesters. And we can go and share what it looks like for a husband and wife to do ministry together and what it looks like for a woman of God to stand up and be just as powerful as a man of God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:35):
Tell me more about this hub that you’re building in Zambia, you’ve acquired 15 acres. What do you plan to do with that?

Mark Young (10:44):
Yeah, so we’ve purchased 15 and a half acres outside of Lusaka Zambia, and what we call this, the Nehemiah movement. And the reason we say that God said, it’s not a project, a project starts and finished, but this movement was started to carry on. And what we want to do is first start off with this five phases, four phases, I’m sorry. First phase is a fish farm and garden where we’ll be able to offset some of the ministry by being able to sell those products and also supply products to the actual community. And then phase two will be a mission home where we can bring missionaries over a school where we will have a curriculum. We will have culinary arts discipleship, English as a second language and computer technology. And then also a, a conference center that we will use for weddings and conferences, but also a church service area.

Mark Young (11:32):
But that also would have a commercial kitchen where we can teach culinary arts. So that’s phase it also with the smokehouse, there’ll be a smokehouse where we can smoke food. So that’s phase two and phase three is a medical clinic because in that area, it’s about 50,000 people in this village. And the clinic is probably like 20 by 20 and that’s just a triage area. And then we wants to do an orphanage where we will have parents living with 40 girls and 40 boys where they’ll feel like it’s a home, not just a center where they’re being processed and in a sanctuary. And so we’re planning to have this done by 2026. And we’re asking God to allow us to not to only do it in Zambia, but to do it wherever we can allow us to be. We’ve all. So have had a pastor out of Atlanta, Georgia who’s in stone mountain, who is from Sierra Leone and has been following us. And he said, if we get this done in Zambia, he will give us land and see every Leon. So we’re asking people one to just pray with us on that and consider a partner with us that we can see God work through the Nehemiah movement.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:34):
Amen. Well, if you’re listening and you’re inspired to be a part of what Masy Ministries is doing, I encourage you to go and check out their website and find out more information about them, brother, mark. It’s such an honor to serve God with you. I’ve been so impressed with you this week and the gift of God that’s on your life. Just the anointing that you operate in when you, when you give an altar call. And so thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast.

Mark Young (13:01):
Thank you for having me and Daniel. I’ve watched you quite a few times, met Yuki few times at conference, but I never knew I’ll be co-laboring next to you. And I am so honored and looking forward to

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:12):
Thank you, God bless you. God bless. Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month. You can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (14:33):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

 

Holy Keane Ammoti | Reaching Street Kids in Kampala, Uganda

Holy Keane Ammoti is a talented music artist from Kampala, Uganda. When he is not singing in front of massive crowds, he is leading a ministry that helps the street children whose parents have died from AIDS in Kampala.

Listen to Dr. Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach on the Evangelism Podcast.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Holy Keane Ammoti is a talented music artists from Kampala Uganda. When he’s not singing in front of massive crowds, he is leading a ministry that helps the street children whose parents have died from aids in Kampala. Jesus.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:26):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:49):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And today I have a special guest wholly Ken Amati. He is from the nation of Uganda from the city of Kampala, and he is a music superstar for Jesus. He is a powerful anointed worship leader and has come here to the nation of Malawi to help with the love Malawi festival performing every single night and ministering to the people through his music. Thank you so much for being on the program with me. I just

Holy Keane Ammoti (01:29):
Glory to God, because this is a big opportunity for me to be here. And also you interviewing me. Yeah. I give a glory to God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:38):
So tell me about how you became a believer.

Holy Keane Ammoti (01:42):
Well after the loss of all, my parents were like, I’m a result of rape. That’s what they say, rape or defilement. After I had lost my mom due to HIV aids, I lost my dad, HIV aids, and my grand mom also died, passed away due to HIV aids. That’s what they say after something like two months, I, we stay, we started staying with our auntie. She also passed away due to HIV aids. Life was really difficult. I have siblings who are HIV positive, and two of them are positive and were rejected so many times. And very many times where I’m in beta, I was beat. I was rejected. Yes, disappointed. So as I was moving around in Kampala city, I saw a crusade. People were dancing jubilating I was like, okay, I need to join them and see what, what exactly is going on. But when reaching dye was captivated by the miracles, I saw the man of God go to go onto the pulpit and began praying for the sick. I saw the sick get healed to the lame walk. And I was like, oh my God, I need to give my life to Jesus. This, I need that peace. I need that joy within me to be replaced. So I gave my life to Jesus. But before, even that I had, I tried committing suicide lake thrice,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:06):
Three times, you tried to commit suicide.

Holy Keane Ammoti (03:08):
I tried taking the poison rat, rat, poison things didn’t work out. I went and crushed. But batteries, batteries, I don’t know. Yeah. So I crushed them, took them. Cause I was so much, I really wanted to die because I have siblings who are HIV positive and there are two of them. And I don’t know, I didn’t know my status by that time. I thought maybe I could have good and also HIV positive. I could have good the the sickness from balm for my parents, but things. Yeah. So Jesus has already has been like, he has been that man who has really put me up here and he has blessed.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:53):
And now you are in Kampala, Uganda, and you are working with the street boys in Kampala. Tell me about the ministry that you do with the street boys

Holy Keane Ammoti (04:05):
For the street kids. We we, we, we sorry. We, we give them food. We feed them, we preach to them. The gospel, we do haircuts. We teach them skills. Like I have a bakery at home that I normally get some two or three people and put them, put them into the baker and land. But the bad thing with them, they are, they’ve noted good in the skill. And, but they are thieves thieves. So sometimes you have to be very keen with which people you take at your place. But with that, we managed like to put them up there build them, teach them, and then others, we, we resettle them with their parents, take them out from the streets and take them back to their parents.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:52):
So tell me about your music. How do you use your music to reach people for Jesus?

Holy Keane Ammoti (04:59):
The youth, the youth love dance hall, music. They love dancing. So I use that. I use the beats beats that are really hard. Like they, the ones that really stupid, like captivate the youth. So I use the, I use that and put the, and put good is what on to, onto the, the music that the beats. So you find that people are so in tangled people, I mean, people are so much air into it and you find that people love Christ, people know Christ because of that. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:36):
And so you are here with the love Malawi festival with a global network of evangelists. And we have been seeing God do tremendous things here in this city. And then in Lucienzo tell us some of, of what you think about what is happening here. Ah, this,

Holy Keane Ammoti (05:56):
This, this, this has been an amazing movement. First of all these small towns are taken by poor people, witchcraft and stuff like that. So we have brought Christ and I am seeing that in the next two years, three years this is going to be a big CIB, be a big thing because now Christians, we’re all we have over something like [inaudible] have given their lives to Jesus. So we give the glory to God and the pastors have also been taught how to reach out to other people. That is a very big thing. So I’m seeing in the next five years from now [inaudible] [inaudible] is not going to be the same again. And then the music that we’ve been like giving out to people, you’ll find that the youth have adopted to the youth, to, to the new music

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:50):
And the trend. You will find that maligns and the chains are going to be up, up, up, up. And, you know, once you bring, once you bring the ghost point to a place poverty the gospel, eradicates poverty, cause the mindset, the mindset changes of the people, the mindset changes completely. And you find that someone who has spending money into witchcraft is no longer going to put it into each car, but always going to church and doing the right things. So the perception, the mindset is being renewed and the word keeps cleansing each and every one, you know, sometimes we sow seeds and we don’t know what we’re doing, but wherever you put a seed of good it germinates. That’s what I know. That’s what I believe it. Yeah. Amen. Well, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. Can we finish with you sharing one of your songs with us? Can you sing something? I know you don’t have your music, but just use your voice and share with us one of your songs.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
JJ, DJA, DJA, DJA, DJA, DJA, DJA, DJA,

Holy Keane Ammoti (08:05):
Jay horn. One of my it godly, godly. [inaudible] Please stop at the ever, ever dripping. No one can never stop with [inaudible] until you get a blessing from Jew keeped up a top in the world. This is [inaudible] of course representing Christ to the fullest. Yeah. Holly can on what is my name? And I’m so excited to be here. Guys are watching.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:34):
Wow. That is wonderful. Well, thank you so much for using your talent for Jesus and thank you for being on the evangelism podcast,

Holy Keane Ammoti (08:42):
The glory to God. And thank you so much for hosting me. I it’s been awesome. It’s been an awesome time and I thank God for that. Thank you so much.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:51):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month, you can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (10:12):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again that’s king ministries.com.

 

Bryce Kwant | Ministry in South Africa and Zambia

Bryce Kwant is from South Africa. Today he shares stories of what God is doing in South Africa, Zambia, Malawi, and Zimbabwe. In one story he shares about how God miraculously provided for one of his mission teams when they were facing a difficult situation.

Connect with Bryce Kwant on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bryce.kwant

Follow Bryce Kwant on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BryceKwant

Are you excited about evangelism? Listen to The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelism Coach Daniel King

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Bryce Kwant is from South Africa today. He shares stories of what God is doing in South Africa, Zambia Malawi in Zimbabwe, in one story that I know you’re going to love, he shares about how God were rakus Lee provided for one of his mission teams when they were facing a very difficult situation.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:33):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:57):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King. And today I have a special guest. Bryce quant is from South Africa. He works in Zimbabwe and other nations right now. We’re in the nation of Malawi. Bryce, thank you for being with me.

Bryce Kwant (01:13):
You so much such a privilege to talk to you and we hoping listeners will be inspired.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:18):
So tell me a little bit about yourself and about your history.

Bryce Kwant (01:22):
Well, I am from Johannesburg, South Africa, and I’ve always been involved in church ministry. I’ve grown up in the church and, you know, just kind of seen God move through things. And, and, and part of that has been discovering my purpose and calling. And so I’ve always been one to test as many things as possible to try as many things as possible and just be available. Keep my hands open and say, yes, Lord, I’ll try.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:45):
And you have been doing missions work in Zimbabwe in Zambia now in Malawi, also South Africa, tell me some of the type of ministry that you do.

Bryce Kwant (01:55):
We’ve done so many things, so we’ve always gone and partnered with local teams. And so one of the projects in Zambia actually, sorry, in Livingston in Zambia has been a project where we started with just actually feeding kids. And so we would reach out to the local communities and we’ve developed a farm, a sustainable project, the farm sunk boreholes hauls bowl, the base house planted churches. And we always have been doing local outreach in the community that we believe is the foundation of the work always is preaching the gospel and from the gospel comes all the good things that come from God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:32):
That’s awesome. So right now we are in Malawi for a big love Malawi festival. This is in conjunction with the global network of evangelists, a ministry that’s under the ministry of Luis Palau. And so how did you get connected with the G and D and with this?

Bryce Kwant (02:53):
Well it was actually in about March this year, 2021. I was busy with my home church in South Africa and I got a phone call from one of the team saying that we were busy doing work in Zambia and your names popped up. And so we would love for you to come and help us to partner and to use some of the relationships. And it was all God. And so from there that the relationships have developed and I joined the team in April and in Zambia and then came onto the team for the planning for this trip. And now we here and doing awesome ministry with awesome people.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:29):
So what are some of the things that you’ve done to help prepare for the festival here? Last night we had a great festival. I think it was something like 561 decision cards filled out we’re in the city of Lucho Monza, and just tremendous response from the people. But what are some of the things that you did to help organize this

Bryce Kwant (03:51):
Last month? We came through four of us from the team and we met in every city over four days and we were prepaying pasta. So a big thing for us is to prepare the local team. This is about the local church as well. And so we want the local church to be prepared, to be ready not just to receive the salvation, but to work with people in the end, as much as it’s about a vendor, that’s partnering, coming, making these things happen. It’s about the local church, continuing the work of ministry here. So a lot of meetings a lot of preparation and so on the ground. So there’s so much when you think about it, we’ve had nonstop meetings with schools, with pastas, prisons, chaplains evangelists and networks of pastors, networks of evangelists, and all just kind of sharing the vision for what these love festivals are about

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:47):
Yesterday. You shared with me a testimony from one of your previous mission trips, where you were in a vehicle and you had a trailer behind you. Tell me about the tragedy that happened, and then the testimony of how God rescued you.

Bryce Kwant (05:02):
We were taking a team to Zambia. And so this was in 2013 and I’ll never forget it. It was as clear as daylight. We were driving through Botswana and there’s a strip in Botswana where there is literally nothing on the road. So very empty open, and we were driving. And as we were driving the axle or the leaf Springs just kind of popped off. And so the whole trailer came apart and we just had to stop. And we decided to offload the trailer as a team and pack what we could into our vehicle. And we prayed together. We said, God, we, we really need you to come through for us, but we need to carry on with the mission of God. And so we locked the trailer and decided what we’re going to carry on and trust what is his to the Lord.

Bryce Kwant (05:43):
And as we were traveling, so we were about to get traveling and we prayed again, and this vehicle came driving up to us. And it’s the middle of notice. If you can imagine an open road kind of desert-like and as vehicle stops and the guy gets out of his vehicle and he says to us, you know what, I’ve got a welding machine and a generator and they go, I can fix this for you. And so we had already prepared the trailer for him. We had emptied it, and we were able to stay as a team, just kind of lifted up on the side and he welded everything back together. And we were able to load things back in and, and as he was done, he just kind of said, go well, cheers, goodbye. And for us, we thought, wow, this is like an angel. And so we were able to load the vehicle full again and carry on with the mission. And, and, you know, one of the most amazing testimonies about this whole trip is, you know, many people after that, even throughout the trip, just say, wow, the power of prayer, the power of prayer. So God can use what seemed like a disaster for his glory.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:42):
That’s amazing. You’re in the middle of nowhere, the axle on the trailer falls off and God sends a welding machine and a generator in the middle of nowhere to help you deal with the situation. Isn’t that amazing how God provides. He is Jehovah Gyra, the God that provides for us, even when we don’t know what we need, he already has an answer on the way. So tell me some of what you see yourself doing in the future. What’s what future dreams do you have of what you want to accomplish for God?

Bryce Kwant (07:13):
Sure, personally I love partnership. I love working with teams. I love showing people the mission. And so part of my passion is taking people along on trips. And, and so I really love the festival environment. For me, it’s a great time for people to be exposed to many things, as well as obviously the mission and what we accomplish. But I really enjoy taking people along luck. We have a young man with us now, and it sets a privilege him. It’s his first time ever doing something like this. And it’s a great opportunity to expose people to what God is doing around the world and for them to unlock what’s inside of them. And so part of my real, I would say gifting, but passion is to see others come alive. And so that’s really something inside of me. As my dad always says to me, he’s always said, keep your hands open. Because what God places in is to go through and say, this is the moment you close your hands. God can’t give it anymore. So, so I love just keeping my hands open and allowing God to move things through me. And I believe that’s part of my calling.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:19):
That’s awesome. Well, Bryce, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. It’s great to meet you and great to see you and, and, and see your involvement in this, this love Malawi festival. Just a tremendous privilege to serve Jesus.

Bryce Kwant (08:35):
Yeah. Thank you, Daniel King. It’s been awesome. And we look forward to many opportunities coming.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:40):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month. You can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reached people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (10:00):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

 

Marc Randall | Silicon Valley Guru Becomes Evangelist

Marc Randall was a successful computer programer in Silicon Valley, but God sent him to the mission field in Zambia. Now he reaches out to the lost across Southern Africa with both low tech and high tech. His innovative ideas and enthusiasm for reaching the lost will inspire you as you listen today.

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Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Mark Randall was a successful computer programmer in Silicon valley, but God sent him to the mission field in Zambia. Now he reaches out to the lost across Southern Africa with both high tech and low tech, his innovative ideas and enthusiasm for reaching the lost will inspire you as you listen today.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:22):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:59):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King. And today I have a very special guest with me, Mark Randall. Thank you for joining me on the evangelism podcast. Thank you,

Marc Randall (01:08):
Daniel. It’s really good to be with you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:11):
So we are here in the nation of Malawi for the love Malawi festival with a global network of evangelists, a ministry under the ministry of Luis Palau. And you’ve been helping to organize this event. So it’s wonderful to get to spend some time with you. If finally meet you. Thank

Marc Randall (01:27):
You so much, Daniel. It’s good to meet you also.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:29):
I know we’ve been Facebook friends for a while, but this is the first time we get to meet face to face. So tell me a little bit about yourself. How did you become a believer in Jesus?

Marc Randall (01:37):
Sure. I’m a 43 years old right now and I became born again when I was 25 years old. So I grew up in Canada in a non-believing home. When I was 14, 15, I rebelled I to drugs. Alcohol got arrested many times never finished high school. So many things I just rebelled. There’s a God-shaped hole in my heart that I was trying to fill with so many different things and nothing actually worked. I ended up teaching myself computers. And so when I was 21, I moved down to the silicone valley and lived there doing computer work for several years. After that got laid off from work. My dad died two years after that, after that just started searching out, there has to be more, more, more to life than what I’ve been living for because I had so much success in life yet my heart and my inside was so empty on the inside.

Marc Randall (02:23):
So I started going to church in Canada, moved to the east coast. Once a university started going to church for the first time in my life. I just saw that people in the church had something I didn’t have. And so God just revealed himself to me. I just knew that I knew that I knew that God was real, but I knew that I was away from him because of the sin in my life. So there was one night where I got down on my knees and I cried out to God with all my being just said, God, I believe you have a son. Jesus. I don’t know exactly what this means, but I ask you to forgive me. I want to be right with you. I want a relationship with you at that point, God forgave me and my life changed a new heart. And just everything in my life changed after that, like you made have peace joy contentment for the first time in my life. And just God started to restore all the brokenness and everything else. And just sent me to the, on this amazing journey that we’ll be talking more, I think with Daniel in a few minutes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:08):
Yeah. So now you are a missionary living in Zambia. How did you end up in Zambia? Great.

Marc Randall (03:15):
It was in a 2007. Most of my training has come from an evangelist from the UK. So he invited me to Zambia in 2007. So I came on five short-term mission trips here, pretty much. They were like the book of acts. I get time of salvation people gain physically healed, demon possessed gain, set free. It was like for me, the coolest thing. Then it was finally in 2014 that just God spoke to me in the most clear way. I knew that I knew that I knew that God was speaking to me, that he was calling me into Zambia. It was almost like I was stepping into something much greater than myself. So I knew I was stepping into a calling and stepping into something very special, but I had no idea, really all the plans and purposes that God had in me coming to Zambia to Africa, but just that I was to come. And just that it would be something greater than I could imagine.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:02):
So tell me what type of missions work you’ve been doing in Zambia now in Malawi, you’ve been to some other African nations

Marc Randall (04:10):
Doing many things right now started organizing these larger evangelistic outreaches. So God’s opened that up, which is amazing. So we’re planning in 2023, a big nationwide campaign in Zambia for pastors I’m using the technology that I knew before. So I’m resourcing thousands of pastors using memory cards and wifi points and tablets. So getting out theological resources to pastors, so helping them in that way doing evangelism training with churches and then also working on mobilizing nations to see Muslims come to Christ. So working on that, getting out of them in a big way, and then also we’re doing prison ministry. So we’re doing crusades with all the prisoners in Zambia and hopefully other countries soon.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:55):
I think it’s neat that you’re from Canada. We have a ministry in Canada, king ministries, Canada. What, what part of Canada are you from?

Marc Randall (05:02):
I grew up in Vancouver, but then I became born again in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and lived most of my Christian life there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:09):
Neat to see that God is using Canadians to reach the world for Jesus very much. So your background is in working with computers before you got saved, and now you brought that over into your ministry. What are some things that you think that we can use technology in? What are some ways that we can use technology in order to reach people for Jesus?

Marc Randall (05:34):
Okay. Different ways, like on the trip here, something that I’m going to start working on as a crusade kind of management system. So like it can help for administration stuff like just to get things out, to plan events and that way it can be used in an amazing way. I’ve heard I know many people that are using Facebook and other social media platforms and they’re reaching literally thousands or millions of people like in using those platforms to get out. Technology can be used to help believers, to communicate, to get out resources to them. And so using technology where before you might just have a small Bible school, but now you can reach literally millions of people or train millions of people. So it just really amplifies what you’re able to do for a very, very small amount of money if done in the right way. So you can do so much more using technology for if you’re training in evangelists, you get them a memory card that has a full library on it. And then you can get out to people that way or the same with pastors. So using technology, you can do a lot more for a very little amount of money.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:32):
And so have you been giving evangelists little memory cards with libraries on them?

Marc Randall (06:37):
Some evangelists, yes, but it’s mostly been pastors so far, but that is coming in the near future.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:41):
Wow. I have some tremendous resources for helping evangelists, training them, how to share their faith, train them, how to do crusades and stuff. And so I’d love to give that to you and you can put it on the card and give it away. I donate it to you free of charge and let’s get it into as many hands as we can.

Marc Randall (06:58):
That sounds fantastic. Thank you so much. And I’m going to get you a wifi point.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:02):
Yeah. I think that it’s really neat that there can be tremendous synergy when people collaborate and work together in April, you did a large event in Zambia. Tell me about what God did. You brought a variety of different evangelists together, and it was a collaborative effort. What happened?

Marc Randall (07:21):
It was amazing. It was my first time actually organized in a large evangelists like event. So we had over 40,000 people attend I think around 3000 or more decisions for Christ. We had all these different evangelists work together, work with the local pastors. It was amazing. Just God opened incredible doors. We had like over 800 people in the marketplace here in the gospel get shared. And so it was just incredible just seeing everyone come together as one and then see God show up in the most amazing way. It was very special.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:49):
What were some of the results from that? How many people came? What city were you in and what type of results did you see?

Marc Randall (07:57):
We were in Livingston’s Zambia. So it’s one of the seven wonders of the world. We saw

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:04):
Tell me why it’s what’s there

Marc Randall (08:06):
Victoria falls. If you’ve seen that Agra falls, it does not compare to to Victoria falls much, much better come to Zambia.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:15):
Yeah. And of course, Livingstone named after the great missionary Explorer, David Livingstone,

Marc Randall (08:21):
And he has impacted so many people in like Africa. It’s amazing how he first brought the gospel to Africa and just what started I think from him coming here. It’s amazing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:31):
I really like that this week we’re going to be in blant tire, which is named after the birthplace of David Livingstone back in, in Scotland. I didn’t know

Marc Randall (08:42):
That. That’s amazing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:44):
Yeah. So, so there’s a bland tire back there in great Britain. And now we have a bland tire and Malawi and we’re going to be preaching the gospel of, but of course, David Livingstone wants such a Explorer, went all over this part of Africa, opened it up to, to exploration. And now many people here in Malawi are Christian because of the work that David Livingstone did. It’s amazing. Okay. So you were there in Livingstone, near Victoria falls. How many people got saved?

Marc Randall (09:16):
It was about 3000 decisions for Christ. And so we were in the prison. We were in the marketplace. We went to the youth to a youth correction center. We basically went to every opportunity that we had. We went to share the gospel. So about 3000, I think

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:30):
How many evangelists are going into areas that are very dangerous and sometimes it’s important for their technology to be encrypted. Talk to me a little bit about that in, in what we can start to develop as believers in order to protect those evangelists or missionaries who go into closed access nations.

Marc Randall (09:55):
Okay. Very important. My background actually is computer security. So first thing we need to train these evangelists on how to properly secure their smartphones and our laptops. So they need to be encrypted, encrypted in a certain way. You need to make sure security updates and you have good policies on the way that you protect your laptops and your devices. Then also the people that you work with in those nations, they need training on how to properly secure their devices, because that can be a major thing. If one person gets compromised, then the whole network can go down. Cause all the details are on there. Or if you’re traveling evangelists, you have the numbers for all the pastors in the country. Someone gets your phone and then it takes off all the contacts or it looks at your chats. You could compromise the people that really need protecting.

Marc Randall (10:36):
So you need to be very careful. So training you need to have standards in place where you use certain programs for end to end encryption like signal would be a good program to use. Whatsapp is still good, but signal is fantastic. Just with the way that they have Anton encryption, I just program something similar to signal for another ministry up for Muslims. And so I’ve learned all about the encryption. That’s underlying it. So signal would be the way to go and it’s very secure and you can do a good job with that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:04):
So over the next couple of years, you’re planning to do several large collaborative events in Zambia. Tell me about what you would want to do. What, what has God put on your heart to do?

Marc Randall (11:15):
It just seems to be growing and growing. Like, I mean, one thing is having evangelists work together. So just having the different evangelists and ministries, collaborate and work with each other, then it’s also seen, I mean, revival come within the local church. So when we come to an area, pastors get built up, believers, get just like get set up for sharing their faith, which is amazing. Then just seeing multitudes come to Christ. Like I would literally like to see like in every region across Ambia to see an outreach happening or like every, just every province, pretty much in outreach happening at the same time. So we’re just looking for doing large events where we could have like 10 or more cities having large events at the same time and then send up other into the surrounding areas in the city. So that’s the hope that we have right now for 2023.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:58):
So if someone is listening and they want to come on a mission trip to Zambia, they want to join in. And one of these large collaborative efforts, how can they find you? What is your, what is your website where they can find more information about you?

Marc Randall (12:14):
You can go to Africa of evangelism.org. So HTTPS colon slash slash Africa, evangelism.org G, or you can email me at mark M a R C at Africa, evangelism.org. So come to Zambia, everyone so far has had a very good experience and I know it would be very special for you to come. So please come and get in touch with me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:41):
Yeah. How many, how many evangelists would you like to come to Zambia?

Marc Randall (12:45):
We’re actually thinking of having a few hundred people come in 2023. So if you’re listening that you’re born again, you have a call for evangelism, get in touch and come. We can talk.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:55):
Wonderful. Well, brother, mark, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. I love your ministry. I love your, your heart for God. And especially your understanding of these technological issues that can really help evangelists

Marc Randall (13:09):
So much. Like I’ve been starting to even to talk with other ministers. Now we’re helping them with technology where if you have some technology aspects, you can just multiply your ministry so much more like with you’re doing a little, you could reach the whole world and just have such a greater impact using technology. It’s very easy to do, but then sometimes it’s just knowing the right way on how to do it, but you can do so much with technology.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:32):
You know, I’m very excited about coaching evangelists and developing resources for evangelists, videos, written material. I’ve written a bunch of books on evangelism and I’m working on writing several more and kind of my, my vision is to have a Bible school on a disc where I can give an entire training on healing and evangelism and prayer, everything that, that someone needs in order to become a mature follower of Jesus.

Marc Randall (14:05):
That sounds amazing. And yes, you can do that. And I’m going to give you actually part of the ministry. We have wifi points. So when I get to the U S next, I’m going to give you a wifi point. So you don’t even need a memory card. You’ll bring around a little device. And then within a few minutes, everyone around you can have that on their device. And that’s someone I’m going to give to so that that’ll help you out. I think that even to create their own memory cards from that, there’ll be even better for you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:27):
Wow. That’s awesome. Thank you, brother mark. I didn’t even know that existed and now you’re telling me about it, so well, thank you. So, so I’m so excited about what you’re doing. Thank you for being on the evangelism podcast so much. Thank

Marc Randall (14:37):
You for your ministry and just, yeah. Thank you so much. God bless you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:41):
Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month. You can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reached people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (16:00):
For more information about how to share your faith or to financially support our worldwide evangelistic outreaches. Visit king ministries.com. Again, that’s king ministries.com.

 

Bob Lenz | The Dignity Revolution in America’s Schools

Bob Lenz leads the largest Christian music festival in North America. God has also given him a powerful message on the dignity and value of every human being that he uses to teach an anti-bullying program in public schools. Every year, he shares his message with over half a million people through community outreaches, festivals, school assemblies, church events, tours and conferences.

Website: https://lifepromotions.org/bob-lenz/ 

The Dignity Revolution is a comprehensive, customizable, and interactive bullying prevention program that provides culture change to improve overall academic learning.

Connect with Daniel King, host of the Evangelism Podcast by calling: 1-877-431-4276

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Bob Lenz leads the largest Christian music festival in north America. God has also given him a powerful message on the dignity and value of every human being that he uses to teach an anti-bullying program in public schools every year, he shares his message with over half a million people through community outreaches festivals, school assemblies, church events, tours, and conferences. You’re going to love his humor as you listen to Bob Lanz.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:44):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist. Daniel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:08):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me, Bob Lenz. Thank you so much for joining me today. It’s great to be here, man. Now you have been an evangelist for many years. Can you tell me, how did you start being used by God? In the area of evangelism?

Bob Lenz (01:29):
I never wanted to be an evangelist. I wanted just to drive a dump truck and then, but I found Jesus or he found me and I’m like, people got to know this, but I still want to be in full-time ministry. So I went to a Bible school just to share just to learn how to share Christ. And then it came back. The job I wanted as dump truck driver wasn’t open. So I sold pizza door to door, helping a ministry. And I led for families to Christ would tell them about our 24 hour hotline. And it just became apparent that I was supposed to share Christ. So I never wanted to, it was more like a call. It wasn’t something like I aspired to be.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:04):
And God has used you in such tremendous ways. Tell me some of the various projects that your ministry is involved in.

Bob Lenz (02:12):
Well, you talked about how long I’ve been. This is my 40th year in ministry, so it’s only 30, 30, some sounded like a veteran 40 sounds old, but I can’t stop. I feel like I have as much fire as when I was 28 years old. I’m on fire for the letting people know about Jesus. So we do different ministries. We have four, four basic outreaches from us. We have school assembly programs. So in this public schools, we can talk about Jesus. We call a dignity revolution. We talk about value, courage, and respect. And then we invite people back at night to share Christ with them. So that’s one area, that’s dignity revolution. Then we have life Fest. We have one of the nation’s biggest festivals. We have over 25,000 people over four days, close to a hundred thousand people in Ash. Gosh, but gosh, Wisconsin. And then we have quake quake, youth encountering the gospel. We have a boat 12 across the country, youth conferences, where we just train youth in encountering Jesus and how to share them with others. And then we have my evangelistic work where we go around the world and preach. And do you know festivals like we’re doing here right now? This is live from Milan.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:20):
Yeah. This has just been so wonderful being together with you in Malawi and getting to spend some time with you. And this morning, we got to go to a school here in Malawi and you did such a beautiful job. Just sharing your story and talking about value and respect. Let’s talk about the message that God has given you for schools, especially schools in America, where there’s such a desperate need.

Bob Lenz (03:47):
I hope we see my story that Daniel, you may not even know. I was raised with two siblings. One had mental retardation, scoliosis curvature of the spine. Half his body grew half had stopped plus plus epilepsy. And then my other sister was special needs as well. And it was both. I always want to make sure people know it wasn’t genetic, but I think that’s just because I was always afraid of being handicapped myself. But it was, it was because at birth defects are at birth. And so I always searched like this. Every life have purpose. Like we all like to come back stories, but my brother never walked. He never did a full sentence. And so I was in a religion class one time and I asked why my brother and sister were handicapped and I was quote normal. And the teacher in her ignorance had God loved me more than them.

Bob Lenz (04:39):
And I’m like, I got up to kill her. I didn’t know how I was going to do it. Number two pencil, you know, but I, I really did. And it had a stop. And then they got a coach next door to her to come and I cried. And she said, he said, Bob, she was wrong. But I was afraid. She was right to see if God loved me more than them. Then if you’re more athletic than me than God loves you more. And if this person is loved, has more money than God loves them more. And I had to come to the point, go did my brother and sister’s life had value. And when I came down, yes, their life has value than I thought. Then we’ve got to go tell the kids because 1,800 kids a day under 18 in America attempts suicide. And if my handicapped brother has value, so you, no matter what you’re going through, you have value and I will not stop. I do about a hundred schools a year in public schools, bring value and hope in dignity for all. And that’s what we gotta do. We gotta reach them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:34):
You developed a curriculum that schools can use. T tell me about the curriculum.

Bob Lenz (05:39):
What they did is they took my talk called value, courage and respect living life to the fullest, a dignity revolution. If you look at the word revolution, it says love in it backwards, right? And so love is this revolution. And so what we did is the teacher of the year, Deb tack went from the teacher for the whole country. She’s in the teacher hall of fame, a teacher for 40 years. She has made this material around our program and came up with a curriculum, the dignity revolution, it’s evidence-based, if you’re a teacher out there, you know what I’m talking about? It’s proven that it’s effective. It meets all the standards from local and state and national criteria. And if you’re a teacher listening, you can go through this training called DRT dignity, revolution, training, and get continuing credits from Jetson university because every school has to have continuing learning, right?

Bob Lenz (06:35):
And so we can come in and do a whole school assembly program for the kids. And we can do a inservice for every teacher in the public school. And it meets all the criteria. But what it does is it brings value and it brings purpose indignity. And it, it, in the pledge, you go to dignity, pledge.com and it doesn’t have to deny anything you believe it’s just to, to love kids and show them how to work through bullying. Anti-Depression cutting suicide anxiety, what the kids are going through today. It addresses and we have a curriculum from K through fifth grade and six through 12. So we are covered. There’s a there’s 64,000 schools in the country. We need to get this material in every single

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:24):
Let’s talk about what’s happening in the lives of young people in America, because it, it feels like there is a crisis among young people in it’s been even increased with, with COVID people being isolated. Why is it so important to instill these values in our young people?

Bob Lenz (07:43):
Well, we understand the pandemic, but scripture makes it clear that a fool separates himself and we were not meant to live our life alone and is as wonderful as some of the things are in social media. I’m not an anti-social media guy, because it can be used for the gospel. It can be used for connecting people, but it separates people. And since COVID Daniel suicide cost, the hotlines have increased 800%. You did not hear that wrong. It is more than a crisis. It’s an epidemic. If you look at the statistics, more people are dying from the effects of anxiety and depression and suicide than COVID. We have backed the back in areas like in California, where the lactone is so bad and I’m not trying to be political, but we have to understand that we need to address the mental health of our youth in America.

Bob Lenz (08:36):
Today, they are dying, they’re starving. And this program has something for the parents. It has something for the teachers and has something for the students. So we have the dignity, dignity, revolution, assembly program. We can bring the sprinkler to your school. We have dignity revolution training for the parents and the teachers. And then we have dignity revolution curriculum, so that it’s not just a hit and miss. And they had programs here. It can be supplemental to like a health program in the school, or it can be the whole unit and it is supplemental, or it can be a comprehensive in itself for the whole school. We’ve been to the apartment of education to white house. It’s time that we get this out here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:20):
Let’s talk about life Fest. As you said, it’s one of the largest musical festivals in the United States. How long have you been doing it? And what are some of the testimonies that have come out of doing this tremendous musical festival?

Bob Lenz (09:37):
So we are 22 years old, minus one. However you do that because of Covance. So we actually made a shirt. Daniel said the last year, and we had all the artists list on it. And then it said postponed. And then it had canceled. We sold $15,000 worth of t-shirts for the last year. So it was really fun. But life Fest is this. I used to think it was just about evangelism. But my team challenged me. We brought in a consultant in everybody had a different reason because God does so much at a festival. And I said, no, it’s evangelism. We’re an evangelist organization. But when we waited through, after a couple of days of praying, it wasn’t, you know, what the purpose is, is to, is to celebrate the love of Jesus through music and unite the body of Christ. But guess what that is, that is an answer to Jesus’s priestly prayer in John 17, that father may they be one, even as you.

Bob Lenz (10:32):
And one why that the world may know it results in thousands of people every year, given their lives to Jesus. But guess what our goal is to celebrate the love of Jesus and to unite the body of Christ. So I think the highlight for me is two things, a unity. We see all denominations like Catholics and Pentecostals and, and Lutherans people like are there real Christians in those denominations? There’s Christians in everyone. It doesn’t mean I agree with all their doctrine, but if we agree on this, essentially, we can come together and celebrate Jesus. Amen. That’s what we need to do. But my highlight was on our 20th year, we built a million dollar stage. Now we don’t own the land. So we built it. People are raising money to help us pay this off, but here’s the cool thing we’re going to. After 10 years of using it, we’re going to give it to the county.

Bob Lenz (11:26):
We want to be a part of the community. But when we had the dedication for it, we gave glow lights to everyone there. And we have 25,000, not exaggeration evangelistic numbers, right? But real people that come in 25,000 people a day and we gave them each a glow stick. And we said, if you were here during mud Fest where we got eight inches of rain and your tent got swamped, break it and waive it. If you are here for everyone, wave it. And it was so cool to see different. If you met your spouse here, we thought nobody, there was, there was tens of twenties, 30, 40 people at mentor sponsor. But then we said, if you surrendered your life to Jesus, if you received Jesus or we surrendered your life to Jesus here, break your stick. And I got that picture of 25,000 iPads at 20 20,000 were broken, waving them.

Bob Lenz (12:17):
And the whole place was lit up. And I’m like, that is my highlight. That’s why we do it. And so now we that one’s in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, the second week of July. But this last year we started life Fest, music, city, and home of Johnny Cash. Hideaway farm in yes, just 20, 30 miles out of Nashville, Tennessee. And so now we’re doing a second one there. And then this March, March 26th, I don’t know where this all goes. But down in Naples, Florida, we’re going to do a life Fest one day down in Naples, Florida, and bring the hope of Jesus there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:52):
It sounds like God is really multiplying your efforts and giving you more work to do. Isn’t that amazing that when you do something good for God, he gives you more to do well, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. If someone wants to find out more about your curriculum or, or maybe even invite you to come to a school or come to life as what’s the best website for them to find out more about you.

Bob Lenz (13:17):
Well, if you want to go, if you want school information, go, the dignity pledge.com take the pledge as well. You take the pledge to stand up for the value of every person, right? So dignity pledge that com or if you want to come to a Christian music festival, life fest.com, right. Life fest.com. And so you go to either one of those in you’ll find out information, how to get my books. I’ve written six books. Anything that you need go to one of those for the public school, dignity pledge that com and for the Christian music festival life fest.com.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:52):
Well, thank you brother, Bob, for being on the evangelism podcast. I appreciate your passion for Jesus and your love for people.

Bob Lenz (13:59):
I’d love to come back some time. Let’s talk about how to encourage others in train them in bringing Jesus to people. Nine out of 10 people never lead somebody to Christ that has to change. How about nine out of 10 bringing some of the Jesus. Let’s talk about that next time.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:14):
Amen. It’s a date. We’ll do it. Thank you, God bless you. Thanks. Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month. You can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (15:37):
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Reid Saunders | Making Your Life Count for Christ

Reid Sanders has proclaimed the Gospel of Jesus Christ in both word and deed in over ninety nations and across the United States. Today he shares a powerful story that will encourage you to diligently pray for your lost loved ones until they are saved.

Website: https://reidsaunders.org

If you are interested in evangelism coaching, call Evangelist Daniel King at 1-877-431-4276

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Reid Saunders has proclaimed the gospel of Jesus Christ in both word and deed in over 90 nations and across the United States today, he shares a powerful story that will encourage you to diligently pray for your lost, loved ones until they are saved.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:21):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:56):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me, evangelists, Reed, Saunders. Thank you for being with me today,

Reid Saunders (01:07):
Daniel, so great to be with you and all of you watching, and it’s just a blessing to serve Jesus and proclaim the good news that Jesus and we’re live for Malawi. It’s amazing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:15):
Yeah, it’s so wonderful to be here together. We’re participating in the love Malawi festival with a global network of evangelists, a ministry under Louis Palau’s ministry and both you and I serve on the council of the GNE. And really the vision of the global network of evangelists is bringing evangelists together. Collaborative events. Tell me some about how you got involved with a G and D and in what you’ve been doing with them.

Reid Saunders (01:46):
Yeah, well, I gave my life to Jesus. They just 17 at front of that moment on Daniel. God gave me this burning passion to reach as many people as possible for Jesus. And I have one passion and that’s for Jesus and to reach people for Jesus. And so after coming to Christ, God brought some great mentors in my life and one of them was Louise plow. So Louise plow and Billy Graham both encouraged me as an evangelist. And one thing our members started entering with Luis when I was going to seminary back in 2000. So 21 years ago, the thing that was so great as seen when we worked together and that’s what we do at genie, right? The global network of evangelist is when you think about it, Daniel, when Jesus said behold, the fields were right for harvest, he said, pray for more workers. Right? And that’s what the beautiful thing with you, myself and others on that genius council is that we together, we can reach more for Jesus Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:28):
Amen. And so we are here together in Malawi, tell us what God has been doing.

Reid Saunders (02:35):
Yeah. You know, it’s incredible Daniels. See the hunger people have for Jesus Christ. I love how the Bible says that when Jesus is lifted up, he’ll draw all people to himself. And that’s what we’ve seen through the school ministry, through the marketplace outreaches and through the festival, we see Jesus being lifted up in Malawi and he’s drawing men and women and boys and girls to himself. And I just think Daniel, you know, coming out of, or still being in COVID bedridden, the season, people are so hungry for hope. They’ve been living in fear. They’ve been asking this question, is there, God, does he care about me? And we’ve seen here in Malawi, people literally running to give their life to Jesus. I mean, last night when you were pitching, I mean, you saw the response, people raising their hands on the wall, outside the festival, they’re raising their hands, coming to Jesus. It’s exciting times. I believe the best days are ahead for evangelism. Urgency is great. Now’s the opportunity. Today’s the day of salvation. Let’s go.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:20):
I love your passion for Jesus and your passion for evangelism. How did you realize that you had an evangelistic gift on your life?

Reid Saunders (03:29):
Well, when I came to Christ at 17, I knew all I want to do is tell people about Jesus. And I was amazed when I would share the gospel with Jesus, that people would respond. And remember we share, but God saves, but it gave him a such a burden. And I just naturally, all I want to do is tell people about Jesus shortly after giving my life to the Lord. I got to leave my mom to the Lord. I got to leave a couple of my friends to play football, American football with me to Jesus. And I just saw the fruit that God would use me to share and people would respond. And I remember one of my mentors told me, he said, read you’re an evangelist, go out and share the good news. And I’ve been doing that ever since

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:00):
Yesterday at the pastor’s conference, you shared a really powerful story about how you prayed for your father for many years. Could you share that with me?

Reid Saunders (04:08):
Yeah. You know, I just wanna encourage all of you out there listening and watching it. You know, if you have someone in your life that doesn’t know, Jesus, don’t give up, keep praying for them. So I came to Christ, Daniel, as you know, when I was 17, I’m 47 now. And so for 30 years, every day, I would pray for my dad to come to know Jesus. He wouldn’t come to listen to me preach. He just, he didn’t want to be around that. And we had a good relationship with my dad, but there’s always that little distance. Obviously I prayed for my dad. And then just this last year, he came to hear me preach and at the invitation to receive Christ, I’ll never forget this. Daniel. My dad came up to me and I mentioned yesterday. I’ve only seen him cry three times when his mom died, when my mom left him after 30 years of marriage. And then that morning, when he gave his life to Jesus, he gave me a hug and he said, read, I’m so proud of you. And I want to give my life to Jesus. Jesus changed my life. So my dad said, I’ll never forget that Daniel

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:53):
Such an encouragement that you prayed for him every single day for 30 years and for 30 years, not seeing any fruit, not seeing anything, but then that moment where he came to know Jesus. And there’s nothing more exciting than leading someone to Jesus. How do you feel when you have the opportunity to stand in front of a crowd and preach to people and invite them to come to Jesus? How does that feel?

Reid Saunders (05:20):
Amazing. Two things on that first, like with my dad and those of you who know people who need Jesus, don’t give I’m harmonic, Galatians six, nine. It says, let us not become weary in doing good for the proper time. We’ll reap a harvest. We don’t give up. I just remember that with my dad and I’d given up, continue to pray. And the second question you asked me, it is such an honor. I really feel so unworthy at times, you know, to get up there and preach the good news. But I remember that with Christ, I can do all things and there’s nothing greater in my life than getting up there and sharing the good news of Jesus and watching God move to me. There’s no greater thrill. There’s no greater excitement than to get up there and share the message of the cross, the message of the empty tomb and to call people to Christ. To me, that’s the greatest joy, the greatest thrill in. I love it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:58):
So right now, I want you to imagine that you have a crowd here in front of you and give me a little illustration or something that, that you share with people to help lead them to Jesus. Yeah.

Reid Saunders (06:08):
I love that. I love that. One of the things I talked to you about all the time is the story about this monkey, where he’s from India and this monkey. These has been trapped, trying to capture them for years and they just can’t capture this monkeys too fast. But one idea, one day I, 100 grand idea took a coconut emptied its of its milk, tied a rope around the coconut, put it down by the tree where the monkey plate took the other end of the, of the rope and hid behind a tree. And he wait for the monkey and the monkey would come, would pick up the coconut. He’d shake it. He’d hear the rice, obviously you’d want the rice, right? So he stick his hand in, but once his hand easily could come in the hole, once he felt the rice, he would latch on Daniel.

Reid Saunders (06:42):
And at that moment, his hand was too big. He couldn’t release it and he wouldn’t let go. And so he was stuck and the hunter would come and capture him. And I used that illustration to talk about all that monkey had to do was let go of the rice and he had been free, but he wouldn’t let go. And I talked about so many people, they won’t let go. They won’t go let it go. Their pride, their sin, their lifestyle for fear, many reasons. But Jesus calls us to let go and grab his hand. And that’s why I tell people, what are you holding on to? That’s keeping you from coming to Christ, let your hands go. Cause Jesus said, then you’ll know the truth. They’ll choose to set you free in that truth chooses Jesus. So that’s the illustration I use all the time.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:15):
Tuesday night, I heard you use that illustration. And it was actually a very difficult service because the, we found out right before the service was to start that the generator had died. And so instead of using the big sound system and the beautiful lighting system and in the screens and everything that we had, we were stuck with it, just a tiny sound system run by a little tiny generator. And there, there were thousands of people and that it was very difficult for them to hear. And so you were standing up on the, the boards that the, the bike riders use and, and the people were straining and struggling to hear you and kids were playing and they’re running all over the place, but you just stood up there, confident in who you are in Christ began to preach the gospel. And you shared that story. And so many people came to Jesus.

Reid Saunders (08:04):
Yeah. Amen. Exactly. And just a reminder is the Vangelis, we gotta be flexible. Right. And realize too, there’s this spiritual battle. And we noticed that with our team, just a spiritual battle a couple of days ago. But then we saw the big victory and I say this all the time, January when we pray, God moves. So yeah, we gotta be flexible guy be moving. But the cool thing is, despite the chaos, the spirit of God just gave me that calm. You know, the power of the holy spirit works in us. And through us in that moment for God to preach, I just had to call myself and say, Lord, this is crazy right now, but you’re the God of calm. You’re the God who’s going to work in people’s hearts. And then we just saw God, move. God moves despite chaos. You’re right with Jesus. We get

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:37):
Victory. Amen. You know, I so appreciate your attitude several times, since you arrived here, you’ve come to me and say, oh, it’s just, I’m so happy to serve Jesus with you. And that is true. It is wonderful to serve Jesus with other people who love Jesus and just have a passion for Jesus. Isn’t that wonderful.

Reid Saunders (08:56):
It is wonderful. Daniel. And you know, I always say all for Jesus, right? He gets the glory. And I remember hearing the same ones, Daniel, that when I think about collaboration, like what we’re doing here in Malawi, that great things can be accomplished for God when no one cares who gets the credit. Right. And just like Psalm 1 15, 1 says not to us, the Lord, not to us, but to your name, be the glory because of your love and faithfulness, we need more. There’s so few of us, right? We need to work together that Jesus would get all the glory. And I think he’s honored and he’s glorified when we work together for his glory.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:23):
Amen. So if someone wants to know more about you or find out something about your ministry, what is your website?

Reid Saunders (09:30):
I can just go to reidsaunders.org. Love to pray with you, encourage you any way that I can. We got a lot of work to do, but the fields, right for harvest all for Jesus. Let’s do this. Be encouraged.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:44):
Amen. Well thank you for being on the evangelism podcast. I appreciate it. Daniel Love you brother. Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month, you can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead. At least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (11:07):
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Werner Nachtigal | Global Outreach Day

Werner Nachtigal is the German founder of the GO Movement. He started the Global Outreach Day, a day when churches around the world set aside a day to send believers out witnessing. On this podcast you will hear the story of how God gave him the vision for this powerful ministry that has now reached millions of people for Jesus Christ.

Website: https://www.gomovement.world/en

What has the GO Movement accomplished?

  • Christians trained in evangelism: 15+ Million
  • Christians sharing their faith: 100+ Million
  • People reached with the Gospel: 1.4+ Billion
  • People decided to follow Jesus: 42+ Million

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Werner Nachtigal is the German founder of the GO movement. He started the Global Outreach day. A day when churches around the world set aside a day to send believers out, witnessing on this podcast, you’ll hear the story of how God gave him the vision for this powerful ministry that has now reached millions of people for Jesus Christ.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:24):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:31):
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:36):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King where Daniel interviews full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:01):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me from the nation of Germany, Werner Nachtigal. He is the visionary architect behind the GO movement originally the Gospel Outreach day. But now they have gone into so many different areas, brother Werner. Thank you for being with me today.

Werner Nachtigal (01:31):
It’s a pleasure. Absolutely. So good to be with you in Malawi.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:34):
So let’s begin with what is the goal movement?

Werner Nachtigal (01:39):
Actually, the goal movement is a collaboration of ministries during the nation prayer movements, digital ministries it was one goal to activate every believer to be a witness and to reach every person on earth within the next decade.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:53):
There’s a lot of people on the earth. I think the statistics say 7 billion people. How can we reach so many people with the gospel?

Werner Nachtigal (02:00):
Well, I mean it sounds impossible, but I believe that we are living in special times, mess 24, epidemics are coming earthquakes. Well, verse 14 at the end, this gospel will be preached. So I believe we are living in a great time. We had a meeting where the was a lot of leaders and the general secretary of the WRA said COVID brought humidity and unity. So here, some of these huge determinations and ministries are working together and some of them are in countries. You will not believe it was going on in the world. And then with digital, I’ve seen the reporting of one of our partner, how they’re reaching people, especially in the Muslim world, I believe it’s possible.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:40):
So tell me a little bit about what the goal movement does and how you do it.

Werner Nachtigal (02:45):
Well, we’ve started, it was a simple starts 10 years ago. The Lord gave me a vision and honestly, for two days I wasn’t the president of God. It was so powerful. I saw a wave around the world, Christians everywhere, sharing the gospel. And then after two days, I said, Lord, it’s only me. You know, I’m a simple evangelists. I’m doing my job. I have crusades was up to 10,000 people. At that point, I had only a small budget and a few connections. I said, Lord, this will not work. So we started 2012 and in the beginning was a connection of prayer and evangelism. So first of all, there is no revival was our prayer. We mobilized a lot of believers to pray for the harvest. It’s all about the harvest, nothing else. And then to send out Christians to share the gospel, because there are still a problem that over 90% of Christians are silent. We have the best message to the world, but, well we are shouting in the church, but we are silent outside of the church. So the goal is to activate the whole church to go out and to win salts. In the beginning, it was a day. Then 2020 was a whole month. Now we are talking about a whole decade. A full year was many activities, was one goal. We want to reach world.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:55):
Now I saw some statistics of the people that you’ve been able to reach. And according to these these statistics here, you have had so many people that you have activated to go out into the world. According to your website, you have trained 15 plus million people in evangelism with Christian sharing their faith more than 100 million Christians who have gone out sharing their faith. You have reached 1.4 billion plus people with the gospel and recorded 42 million salvations. How has this

Werner Nachtigal (04:35):
It’s happened? Actually, the last number is wrong. It’s much higher. It’s now over 85 million salvations. I mean, it was a simple start, 2012. I mean, what can I say? Simple. I mean, we’ve started at the biggest arena in the world in Nigeria, pass out of Bowie with a million people. My dream was to activate a million around the world. And then 2012, I was standing in front of a million. Everybody was shouting, Lord sent me. So it was a small start. But now with some of these huge partners, and this is a collaboration, it’s not that I have reached a 1.4 billion and I’ve led 85 million people. But this is a collaboration of big ministries where they’re all standing together to pray and to activate the whole church like this year, we decided one a day in may to share the gospel every day in may.

Werner Nachtigal (05:24):
And the church of God in Latin America said, well, we will mobilize all our believers to do that with a goal is to await the sleeping giant, the church. So they’ve activated over 250,000. I saw a report. It was quite long. They’ve reached over 6 million. It’s only one example. And 1.1 million God saved. So here, many ministries and denominations are working together. And it’s very simple. I mean, our main thing is every believer is a witness. So every believer can share the gospel and reach somebody. And well only it was our own mobilization with Maura. So many believers. We have country coordinators in many countries like Ghana. We have 150 coordinators on the ground activating the church so well, the Lord is moving pretty amazing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:12):
So if a church wants to be involved in the go movement and activate their members to go out and share the gospel, what are some practical ways they can do that?

Werner Nachtigal (06:23):
Whereas quite similar. I mean, first of all, check the webpage go moving.world register. But I mean, if you check the webpage or not in, it’s always in may between Easter and Pentecost, what does Pentecost received the holy spirit and be a witness that is our program. So in may, we’re starting first with equipping believers and prepare believers to share the gospel before may. Then, then in may we start with prayer early, may we estimated over 60 million. Christians are praying for the harvest already. I mean, the number is growing every year, then the gold days, the last Saturday of may and the world evangelical Alliance, we’ll put this day into the calender for all the churches globally to say, let’s go out and win souls. So if, if people are checking a webpage or not make sure in may that the pastor is activating the church to go out well.

Werner Nachtigal (07:14):
I mean, every pastor is interested that the churches growing, we had a pastor in ivory coast and he said, well, today’s go day 50 believers. I recos. He sent them out. 200 people got saved. And 20 immediately came to the church. We have seen church grows, absolutely amazing in some places in Uganda, our big guy planted over 25,000 churches. But what I really like, and this will inspire pastors and Christians, God is using every believer. I mean, I can tell stories until next week, what the Lord has done with simple ordinary Christians, amazing story. One pastor in Peru, went into a hospital to share the gospel. The spirit of God led him to the fourth floor. There was a guys who run of policemen. He told him about Jesus. The prince of God came. He got saved. Couple of hours later. This pastor saw that man in the national news, you can still see the clip.

Werner Nachtigal (08:06):
It’s the most dangerous, most known criminal Aquila. He led him to Christ. There was a young girl, 13 years old. She got saved on the go day. And then couple of weeks later, her father died. This young girl came home. The man was in bed for four hours. He was called Leanne girl began to pray. Guess what I mean? I was there with a camera team. We had taped the whole story. God raised him from the dead. What I really like God is using believers. And there was a research from Barna. Why people are quitting, especially the young generation, good churches, the reason number one, they’ve never experienced it. God used them. So this could be a good star where Christians could experience. God can use me. God can use me to share the gospel. I can lead people to Christ. I can pray for the sick.

Werner Nachtigal (08:52):
This is only the beginning. I believe in the lifestyle of evangelism. I mean, I many years ago, I decided to share the gospel at least once a week, outside of every programs and church meetings for this year made a commitment every day. I mean, there’s a really tough, but I mean, this is the date is only a piece of a whole concept. We want to inspire Christians, live a lifestyle of evangelism. You can share your face while you are working as a nurse in a hospital, a businessman to another businessman. So we are not talking about a program. Everybody can do whatever he wants to do. I was in a meeting in the Dominican Republic. It was a lot of leaders and everybody was sharing what they have done on the go day. And so many stories and so many moving stories in avert. A lady Vonda in the Dominican Republic was on her way to a bridge to commit suicide. Well, the ch the city was packed of believers. It was go there. Everybody was sharing the gospel and she got saved. So it’s, it’s, it’s a simple program to activate the church to go out into when souls,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:51):
Well, I have been so inspired being around you first, I’m inspired by your, your visionary leadership. God has given you great relationships with so many wonderful denominational leaders and people from many different walks of life and even very important people. God has just given you these great relationships and you have this great vision to reach the entire world with the gospel. But also we are here in Malawi. We were out on the street yesterday, going from house to house, inviting people to come to the crusade. And I saw you out on a corner by yourself with one young man, and you were giving him a flyer. Then I saw you put your hand on his shoulder and you began to pray with him. And so you are practicing the witnessing, not just telling people to do it.

Werner Nachtigal (10:41):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I was excited. You preached last night. I bet I did my job as well. And that’s what I just said. I share the gospel every day. I made a commitment. Yes, Lord use me this year, every day. So I had COVID in March. What should I do? I downloaded an app. I will not talk too much about that, but I could share the gospel online, talking to people everyday. I was just on vacation with my wife every day. Even in holiday, I’ve shared the gospel today. I’m struggling a bit with my stomach and I really feel sick, but just three hours ago, I was out of share the gospel. I led somebody to Christ. So I really believe we, it’s not enough only to preach about it. We have to do it. We have to be an example and let so many people to the Lord and in a restaurant.

Werner Nachtigal (11:27):
I mean, even in a restroom, I’ve led people to the Lord. And if we could inspire the church to go out, honestly, I think that’s, that’s a big plan behind it to reach your world. They’ve asked Billy Graham, who is your successor? And Billy Graham said the whole church. And imagine we could awakes a sleeping giant, the church, 1.2 billion Christians to go out and to share the gospel. I tell you, this will shake the world. I’ve met the president of Malawi years ago. At that time, he was the president of the assemblies of God. And he said, he heard about the global Russia. He was so excited. He said, what if every Chinese person would jump from a chair at the same time they can shake the world. I’m not sure about that really, because they are so small, but what if every is a witness we can reassure. That is what the president of Malawi said, and that’s true. We can reach a world. And so that’s what we’ve seen in court with COVID last year in the beginning, it looks like a disaster, but it brought unity. Big ministries came together and say, let’s stand together to reach a world.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:32):
So many Christians, they know that they should be out witnessing, but sometimes they don’t really know how they don’t know what to say. And so can you give me in a nutshell, what you say when you’re trying to lead someone to Jesus?

Werner Nachtigal (12:46):
Well, I mean, I have so many ideas. I’m a very creative person. I mean, here in Malawi I usually I start a conversation talking about the president because I met him and everybody is excited. But I mean, if you have no idea in the beginning, it’s not good to preach into getting, it’s not good to say, Hey, I want to tell you about Jesus. I’m from a Baptist church. And we want to, and talking about the blood of the lamb be normal, be friendly. Ask a good question. Like I was sitting in a taxi in Brazil and I saw a cross in person. I know this guy is from the Catholic church and I asked him, sir, I see the cross. What does it mean to you? So in the beginning show interest. And sometimes I ask a question, have you ever heard that Jesus loves you instead of, I want to tell you about God, you have to repent, be nice and friendly. Have you ever heard that he loves you? Not really. I mean, I haven’t heard that for 21 years. I’ve never heard the gospel and I’m not from a Muslim country. I’m from Germany.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:50):
Tell me some about your testimony. How did you get saved?

Werner Nachtigal (13:54):
Well, it’s a pretty amazing story. On one side, I’ve never heard the gospel. My dream was to become a rockstar and I was living like one of them, parties and everything. And I met them. All I was sitting backstage was Ozzy Osbourne. I was celebrating was kissed. And that night when I was celebrating was kissing, I was so shocked. I saw the empty eyes of the lead guitarist in Australia. And I was so shocked. I bought a Bible and began to read, but if you serve as Genesis, I gave up soon. But on the other side my grandpa was a revival. Preacher. I’ve never met him. He got arrested after the second world war. He was in prison in Siberia and he prayed for his family. Especially for me. He prayed that somebody would stand up and preach the gospel. So this is the amazing part of my story. I saw Jesus when I was three, he stood in front of me. I had a dream about Jesus when I was 15. And she said, I love you. I woke up God, are you real? I was 18. I had revelation I a surf guard as a missionary, never heard about God the gospel. So there are so many people like the Bible says the harvest is plentiful, so we have to go and we have to reach them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:02):
Amen. Well, thank you so much for being a guest on the evangelism podcast. I’m so inspired by your example. And after listening to you these last few days, I think I must dream bigger for Jesus.

Werner Nachtigal (15:15):
Yes, please do it because for God, all things are possible.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:19):
Well, thank you so much. God bless you. It’s a pleasure. Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month, you can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead. At least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

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Stephen Mutua | Reinhard Bonnke’s Crusade Director

Dr. Stephen Mutua worked with Evangelist Reinhard Bonnke for twenty-five years. As the international director of Christ for All Nations he was responsible for organizing some of the largest crusade events in history. Now he leads the African Network of Evangelists and he is passionate about raising up a new generation of young people who will reach the world for Jesus Christ.

Website: https://www.eagleschristianchurch.org/bishop-dr-stephen-mutua/

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Dr. Stephen Mutua worked with evangelist Reinhard Bonnke for 25 years. As the international director of Christ for All Nations, he was responsible for organizing some of the largest crusade events in history. Now he leads the African Network of Evangelists and he is passionate about raising up a new generation of young people that will reach the world for Jesus Christ.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:30):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:36):
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:41):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:06):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest, Dr. Stephen Matua. He worked with Reinhard Bonnke for 25 years and has a wealth of experience in organizing crusades here in Africa. Dr. Stephen, thank you for being with me today.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (01:30):
I appreciate it. And thank you very much for inviting me into your program. I’m sure it’s going to be good.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:35):
So let’s begin at the beginning. How did you first start working with brother Reinhard Bonnke?

Dr. Stephen Mutua (01:42):
Interesting. And then Reinhard Bonnke was hosting a conference for all African evangelist. It was called fire conference and it was going to be [inaudible] and it was looking for people from every country in Africa to call the date, the teams from those specific countries. And it’s not my own one thing led to the other. They found me, I was walking at that time with world vision international and they requested if I could coordinate and bring 1 21 evangelist from Kenya, although to RRA. And I did that. And,uthe report came later that world while we’re there, that,uthe team from Quetta was the best coordinated. Everything went from less. It was wonderful. So I wasn’t looking for a, to walk with him because I was satisfied with where I was working, but at the end of the conference,uI was, they, they caught me fire the microphone and they say, we’d like to assist you with him.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (02:45):
The two are from Kenya. So I bet with them privileges in our, you fight another, just chit chat, you know, small chat. And then after that, I left after two weeks, they caught her, they said we are coming into candles, but Peter [inaudible], who is a general manager and right, not bunker. And they came together and said, Hey man, we were impressed by what you did, what you consider walking with us. So at that time I was feeling that I want to go to full-time evangelism. So I prayed a little bit and the Lord undecided, he said go and I joined them. That was back in 1987.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:23):
So you eventually became the international director for Christ for All Nations (CFAN). You organized crusade events all throughout east Africa, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Sudan, many other nations. Tell us what are some of the experiences that you had in organizing some of the largest crusades in the history of crusade, evangelism?

Dr. Stephen Mutua (03:51):
I was, I did all those countries. You say, but more than Africa, I also did many, many countries like petty pins. But when you get in India and other many countries, and yes, it was really exciting. Put it this way. Organizing a crusade is not a cup of tea is a tough job because you go to a country that you’ve never been there before. Remember the different denominations, they believe different things. And vagina is right on bone. Having been an evangelist who is known all over the world as unpleasant, it was not Dawn. You got to go there and introduce him. And here’s what they experienced was quite exciting on one side is what the Chinese would call sweet and sour at the time, because there are those high moments where you go to some places and people are excited.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (04:41):
You go to other places and they have nothing to do with you. You have to beg them for friendship. And so that’s what it was. But there were quite a number of highlights in them. And one of them is to bring the believers together from different denominations, different persuasions and bring them to water plants where you’re telling them, let’s forget about all denominations. Let’s forget about our differences. And let’s just think about one thing. Let’s get this country back to God. And that one, that we’ll all rally behind you. And that’s exactly what we are doing. So there was so many experiences the good ones, bad ones. And but you must go through all of them. Let me say one of them, one of them is you must be ready to be rained on land and proper rains. Even when you organize a crusade.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (05:32):
One of the things to consider is to make sure that you don’t organize a crusade during the rainy season, but somehow, well, the devil has their way of making sure that the red gums and we are, I’ve been rained. I can’t remember how many times and even right on bunk himself and the war people and see the problem when longer icing. And we are the leader. You cannot get an umbrella and just put an umbrella on yourself. And the rest of the congregation are not ever going to umbrellas. And so you have to let yourself be reigned to identify with them, but you know, the beautiful thing, not all of them got sick because of rain ever. There was a protecting hand of God upon them all. And remember, some of the people would be brought to their either cripples or blind, or you would expect something to go wrong, but God would cover and protect them.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (06:21):
But also there were times when our lives were threatened and a number of times, some, two of them, well, you know, I’m well known all over the world. The first one was 1990 in continental. It was horrible when there is Lamech fundamentalist started, you know, rioting in the old city. And then the riot led to the fact that we have come to back them Christians, and they don’t want that to end. It was terrible. The fight at one, for three days, Christians versus Muslims, of course, your number of fatalities, you know, while reported there, we tend to be, eh, lifted. We’ve got to be airlifted from Kana to Legos by jet fighters, because there was a curfew that, you know, passenger planes were not allowed to land. So that was my first time to get in the jet fighter. There was not a suit experience. And that was one of them. The other one was at 2001. In fact, the first one happened 2000. We were in Khartoum in Sudan. And I got, I don’t know how or someone would let into manage to get into my email. So he sent me a bow and he taught me, get out of Khartoum. Otherwise there’ll be boom. And we wrote one b, so many o and the M so I didn’t know we was by that time.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:45):
So you received an email from Osama bin Ladin, the mastermind behind that 9/11 tragedy in the United States. This was before that occurred, that he sent you an email in Khartoum saying, get out or

Dr. Stephen Mutua (08:01):
Yes, or some of the original, I didn’t know whether he was there. Of course, when you go to who said it wasn’t that famous by then? But it was so terrible. They knew him. So I took this, that email to them, FBI vol or CID and asked them, oh, is this fellow? They told me, this is a very dangerous fellow. This one is a very indigenous fellow. I said, oh, is see the daughter. We don’t know. This one is Akilah is a mother. So be careful. I don’t know him. I never see them. So I will. I be careful with someone I’ve never seen. Now, if you go to consume is separated into two parts. One part is Al Yusuf. The other party is come to them and they are I’ll use who is more disadvantaged, nothing grade on it. On this other side, of course there’s some trees on them.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (08:47):
So you know, I did a CA I prepare the crusade. We had one of the best crusades, tremendous miracles. So many Muslims give their lives to the Lord. Jesus, nothing happened. They do those in two of those or the other one. I kept back again, let’s say time, because normally the government would never give Christians permission to celebrate holidays except Easter. They, they respect that. So buck again, in his style, I was there preparing the crusade again, this time he never wrote to me, but this time he kept quiet. So what happened? We finished preparation, put on the lights, put on the sound system. And the crusade was beginning on Tuesday. And now it’s on Monday night and Monday night, he came with his group and you know, where we were sitting and then decide, you know, sand is called green square, but there’s nothing green.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (09:36):
So he came and put so many planet, 200 and 320 minds everywhere. The, in the big field, and then waited for us to come tomorrow by the police, got the wind of what he has done. So the next day they call dome. Don’t want to place that I’ve been normal, could go on and decide. Now of the people, not many Christians and Muslims started coming and he told the police told them, you can’t come in there. And you know, they were not telling them why. So they started rioting, not Christians. Muslims are the ones saying, listen, when Reinhard Bonnke came last year, we were healed and we did not need to pay anything. Either, You will give us money to go to the hospital, telling the government, or you let us go there and be healed. And the government will not allow. So there was running battles. Again, I had to live the country, fire the European, back to Kenya. So, and of course, then later then to walk on the landmines and removed to all of them and all that. So those are some of the experiences though, are very, been good experiences that the bad one, you don’t remember them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:39):
Reinhard Bonnke in his lifetime led 80 million people to Jesus, 1 million for every year of his life. And so what a tremendous number that is what, what, what the grace of God that allowed that to happen. But people in other countries don’t really understand the true impact that he had here in Africa. So can you share with me through your eyes as an African, you are African, what impact did Reinhard Bonnke have on the continent of Africa?

Dr. Stephen Mutua (11:14):
I put it this way. If they’re living in Vermont, who don’t have anybody who did what Reinhard Bonnke did now, what are the things? And the key two or three things that I think are very important. Number one, I identify themselves with Africans. How did he do the number one? He told them, you know, look, I am white, outside, but I’m black inside. Our blood is red. Your blood is red. Mine is red, but mine is African. So that when the Africans, all that it was was with them to eat, love to them. You could feel the love of Africans, even when he was in overseas. And I preach with him in other countries outside Africa, you will say, you know what? I am preaching here, but I am feeling like I’m in Africa, everything, you were so proud of the people of Africa and you identified with them and they identified with them.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (12:05):
And the other thing, which was very crucial, he learned their way to explain that gospel, like like a story, like you just said yesterday, you did that. I was so happy the way you did the man that was grant in Africa, you’ll get away millions because Africans are people love stories. And you told the story, not air from, as in, from the Bible, by the SMEs a real life. So if you, if you look, of course, we approach it. But look at the eyes of the people are because it was socking. It was getting African people love stories. What a while growing up, our fathers are ungraded. Fathers will sit with us around the fireplace and they would tell us stories. And we’ll, our eyes will be opened listening to those stories. That’s exactly what Judy and bong captured Africa. That way. He knew African stories, African pottery balls, and it’ll bring them in such a way that the people will appreciate too.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (13:01):
If he goes to a country, we would get a lot, you know, the most useful to AMS or terminologies and phrases and give him. So when he comes here, the grid Sam, like if it’s a sweater speaking, who’s a one as if you had people who go, wow, this is a white man. He knows Swahili eat identification. That way they, even when he died, they were saying he should be bodied in Africa, not in America, because they felt it was a sign of the soil impacted Africa so much because he’s, he’s a visual was kept down to Cairo and he did each of those countries. And he come to a town or start like this one, you will go and to see the mayor of the city, they probably see the president or the people in positions and come and tell them what he has come to do, paying a courtesy call. So whatever y’all I admire or law, it would identify himself with them. And that he wanted one ounce of Africans.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:06):
What are some of the great lessons that you learned from being around the amount of God around Reinhard Bonnke?

Dr. Stephen Mutua (14:13):
He changed my life. It changed my life. I was, before he met, I met with him. I was an evangelist, but not at the level that it brought me to. One of the things that impacted my life so much is a way that he, first of all, he was a man of integrity. He would let me say one of them, you know, that we are big crowds, massive crowds. People cover their lenses, right at buggy. These are 3 million people, right? [inaudible] People. This is one about 150,000 and it will not add one puzzle on top. He said, well, I’m not here to police anybody. I’m here to please the one who called me and he does it. He called the fingers. He call, he calls the heads. So I will not accept that. So integrity was a man of integrity. That’s number one, number two, it was a man who loved his family, man who loved his family.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (15:06):
Many times. He was away from his family and his wife, Annie, together with of course he was walking with his foster son. And but he literally beats the family. Every time the crusade was over, it was in the next flight, going back to his family. And that’s something that was avoided was away so many times, but he loved her family. The other thing that also impacted in my life is his devotion spending time himself with God was his one thing to prepare all the time messages for the crowds. But for him, he spent time with God, for example, I want to come and pick you up. You know, I would go to the crusade and make sure everything is going on very well. And come and pick him like after Noah. And I would find a brain and it would be a nice thing. Like an intercessor would say, God, we can’t be a four. You do all what you can. And sometimes I wondered, will I dog the dog? Because time is it’s about time to preach. [inaudible]

Dr. Stephen Mutua (16:08):
Inside there. So slowly, slowly I would lock the door. And I would say Steven, if it was another crusade that would have continued and that impacted my life so much so that it was not depending on the external intercessors, it was also in the seeding for himself. And it would be say, praying like Lord for the next one and a half hour, because all crusade is pretty good without praying for the people who would take one a one hour and a half because of the interpreter. And it would say for that, for that one hour and a half lot, make a difference in density. You would feel the least crying. I go nicely on calling upon the name of the Lord and God will do just great things. So it was wonderful. And then of course the thing, you know, it was not only a proclaiming evangelist, but it was so healing evangelist.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (17:00):
And you know, you would say the greatest miracle is salvation. That one, he never did all their people or because of the miracles that happened, they will start with the miracles. It wasn’t, that was not his excitement. Excitement. Number one was Africa shall be saved. Everybody must be saved. So salvation to him was the greatest thing. And then he says, salvation comes with the package. So I didn’t want to spend as much time praying for of all this eco explaining. We’ll explain a little bit and a pray and God will just do miracles. There will be so many. We can check all of them so many. So that is what impacted when and the other thing was, he was a man who would be ready to give you his microphone. And he stands there and he did that to me sometimes. And I’ve wondered why you know, if he’s not there, it’s okay, but now he’s standing there and you are supposed to preach.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (17:54):
And that was quite something. But give me it, give me kind of it as this activity, we’ll do it on the international level. And I did that. And one of the other things that impacted Africa, the greatest way is to pray for people to receive the power of the holy spirit. That one, he never forgot it. He said, my secret is not because I’m a gentleman, nor because I have a dedicated, which I am not adding, never been one time savings and you’ll get it. He said it’s because when God filled me with the power of the holy spirit, that it changes my life. So I would always pray for people to receive the power of the holy spirit. So throughout this call, didn’t the other thing is you go out in the villages, you find so many children called [inaudible] is because people loved him.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (18:41):
That even when they get bothered, they say this all the way. Even if it’s a boy, even some girls are called [inaudible], you know, you got to be some, some girls, I call it a bunker and you can see the, that was an impact. But now more importantly, I remember we are here in Malawi now, but when we come to Malawi, 1987, right? Not bogus tude here. And he said in Blanda, and he said, I am male. Not because of my name, but because of people older lay, but before me, people like live in stone. When he was here before he died, he said, [inaudible] so much, and I’ve not one assaulted crossed, but I see a generation that will come up to me and they will get millions and millions of people that was fulfilled here. Whether we came here because you know, they are before we’re using the big tent, it was a largest mobile tent. It appeared in the Guinness book of world records because it was one bottle. There’s one big one in Saudi Arabia. But when we came here, the crowd becomes so big. We cannot use the, the tent because it was taking in 45 to 50,000. When we came here for the first time was so 120,000 people, which are dedicate together, not. So he always give credit where it is. You say that I’m doing what I’m doing because others came before me suffered for it. And I’m making, they’ve been there waiting for me

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:09):
On the night that Reinhard Bonnke went to heaven. You had a vision. Can you tell me about that?

Dr. Stephen Mutua (20:16):
That is something, you know, I wasn’t in my steady around 1:30 AM with home alimony morning, I was just praying and all that. Not because of that. I know. Okay. Put it this way. I had caught right on Reinhard Bonnke about a wicked B fall. And I said, Ryan, I want to come to Florida and meet with you. He said, oh, Steve and the comp and all that time, he was sick. But now going to cover, he said, Stephanie, come, when are you coming? I said right out, I get a copy for next week. He said, no problem. Are you covering the Gladys? That’s my wife. I said, you know, without a big divorce, I said, yes, I’m covered with, I said, yeah, you can’t leave our behind. So no problem. So we bought a ticket and the order to leave. And then on last day, you know, it’s when I ended up dream and the dream, you know, I come from my study and light on the bed, just like two or three minutes.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (21:14):
I was taken out and I saw Reinhard Bonnke looking young. The way I saw the first diabetic read with him was 1986. I was looking young and I saw him going to heaven up to here. After the bus, I saw him like going up, very, not zooming, but just going at a moderate speed. And yet the, of like a, like a Crump I looked up at, I said, rhino, that’s what I said in the vision. And then he turned and looked at me and he said, Steven, take the Baton. And then he looked up and he continued going. And I walk up, I walked my wife, I wasn’t asleep. I said to my wife, you know what I think right on bond has gone to be with the Lord. She said, oh, you don’t. I said, you know, I’ve just had the vision. She said about you have just come and Zed.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (22:07):
Yes. Efficient, take some fraction of a second. Is it a yard? I think he was going to be with the Lord. So I gave her this story. Next day, I called his personal assistant. And when I called, he said to me, Scott, Andrew, he said, Steven, you don’t have to come. Maybe you’ll come from Memorial. I said, why? He said, right. I says, just got to be with the Lord. I said, when that I looked back, I said, exactly in September, whether the vision. So of course I used the ticket. I went to his Memorial and it was one of those times. And God used to be 20 college people. It’s all in the UT up. And it was just, that was a final farewell for VM. Right. And ballgame. So now I took up, I’m doing what I’m supposed to be doing. I, I don’t know whether I told you, but I think I did then that I am leading a team called African evangelists network.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (23:03):
Look for many years, I appreciate Africa, many years of crisscross this continent, but the time has come that we have to raise an army of evangelists. So the Lord spoke to me and he told me that was back in 2018. And he said get an organization and network, not organization, network, bring all the good to go to three categories of evangelist, the evangelist [inaudible] before. But now they have become pastors. Remind them of their primary co-op and tell them, yes, you’re going to be a pastor. But remember your primary call is an evangelist. Number two, there are some who are actually that there is that a active Gress to bring that back again. And then he told me, number three is those who are young ones. They probably in university colleges and they don’t know, always go to mentor them, begin to mentor them. So I began a network called African evangelists network. And that’s what we are doing. We are getting them from the village because they are villages villages where you get there. He’s an evangelist, but he has never gone to school, but he has a call of God upon him. We have either universities or the colleges everywhere and to bringing them together and not only in Kenya, but all over the place. So that’s what I’m doing. Now.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:26):
God spoke to me one time and said, Daniel, the mission field shall become a mission force. Wow. And I think that’s what you are doing. You are raising up evangelists from Africa and God needs Africa because the African evangelists are full of fire. They are full of enthusiasm. And I think some of the greatest evangelists in history will be raised up by your network. You are

Dr. Stephen Mutua (24:53):
You’re prophesied you don’t. We already seeing that because when I’m here, all, you know, even in the mission field here, I am getting reports of evangelist, you know, for my network. And they say, I want with this village and the village has now bought, I get the house, celebrating the Lord. I’m going to the other town. I’m going there. And I believe in God, and it’s going to operate a very soon because you see there before there was nobody standing behind them, there was nobody to tell them I’m doing the right thing. But remember, we’re also trading them. We also trading them because we met at times they felt their zeal. Like they’re like an Apollo in the Bible. Yeah. The zeal, but not knowledge. So now they have the zeal and we are giving them knowledge. And that’s what that’s, what’s happening. I’m looking forward. This coordinate will not be saved by one man or two, man. It will be saved. As you said, by an army of evangelists equipped who are full of the holy spirit of the power of God and go out from village to village omelet, to omelet, town, to town, terrorizing the devil. Then the Lord will come.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:56):
Amen. Well, I am so honored to have you as a guest on the evangelism podcast, you are a great man of God, and it is such a privilege to serve Jesus with you.

Dr. Stephen Mutua (26:07):
It was wonderful meeting with you. Your God bless you. You are doing a tremendous job. And may the Lord bless you. We’ll keep on pulling together.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:15):
Yeah. Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month, you can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead. At least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

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Apologetics in Evangelism | Daniel King

This week I was invited to be a speaker at the Virtual Connect Summit by the Global Network of Evangelists (GNE), a ministry organized by the ministry of Luis Palau. They asked me to speak on “Apologetics in Evangelism.” I share from my book “Proof God is Real.”

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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Hello, this is evangelist Daniel King. And today I want to talk to you about the use of apologetics in evangelism. This week, I was invited to be a guest speaker at the virtual connect summit, organized by the global network of evangelists, a ministry that is under the ministry of Louise. Palauan great evangelists from Argentina. And so they asked me to put together this session on apologetics and evangelism, and I thought I would share it with you today.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:32):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:08):
Hello, I’m evangelist Daniel King, and I am so excited to join you for this virtual connect summit. I’m actually recording this a few days early because in this moment, while you’re watching this, I’m actually on a plane. I’m headed to the nation of Malawi to join hands together with a global network of advanced de-list the GNE. And we’re going to be doing festivals in the nation of Malawi. I’ll be joining Desmond Henry Allen green is there. And of course, Andrew Palau will be coming for a great festival in the city of Blantyre. And I’m so excited for this opportunity to collaborate with other evangelists, all of us participating together in order to hold this historic event for the nation of Malawi. So over the next three weeks, if you could pray for these outreaches in Malawi, we would appreciate it so much. I’ve been asked today to speak about the subject of apologetics in evangelism.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:16):
And this is a subject that is very important to me. I just finished writing a book called proof. God is real in this book is an apologetics book, but really the throbbing heart of this book is my passion for evangelism. I’ve been involved in evangelism my whole life when I was five years old as called by God into the ministry. Then when I was six, I preached my first sermon. When I was 10 years old, my parents became missionaries in the country of Mexico. And throughout my teen years, we would do lots of children’s evangelism on the streets of Ciudad Juarez, right across the border from El Paso, Texas. We’d run through the streets with flyers, knocking on doors, inviting all the kids to come and we’d fill churches up with these kids. And then when I was 15 years old, I was reading a book about how to be a success in life.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:10):
And this book, it was talking to businessmen. It said, if you really want to be successful, you need to set a goal to make $1 million before the age of 30, become a millionaire before the age of 30. But I realized that because of my upbringing as a missionary in Mexico, that money was not what was important to me. What was important was souls. And so at the age of 15, I wrote down this goal on a piece of paper, I wrote, I Daniel King want to leave 1 million people to Jesus. Before I turned 30 years of age, instead of trying to become a millionaire, I wanted to lead a million heirs into the kingdom of God. And so God started opening up doors in different nations. While I was still in college at oral Roberts university, I began to travel to different nations. And I’m excited to tell you that before I turned 30 years of age, I had the privilege of leading a million people to Jesus in a salvation prayer.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:08):
And then in the year, since then we have now hit our second million and I was praying and asking God, what comes next? And I felt like God say Daniel go for a million souls every single year. So in the natural, that may seem impossible, but with God, all things are possible. So I’m passionate about leading people to Jesus. And a lot of our great gospel festivals have been in Africa, in Latin America and Asia. And we see people walk several days in order to get to our festival sometimes in Africa, for example, but I also have a heart and a passion for reaching people here in the United States. And I noticed that one of the spirits that has really captured so many hearts and minds here in the United States is the spirit of atheism. And I’ve really been praying and asking God gone, how can we reach people who are being attacked by this spirit of atheism?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:15):
And I think the answer to that is in the area of apologetics. That’s why I wrote this book proof. God is real. When I was still a teenager, my family went on a missions trip down to the nation of Jamaica. I remember we were doing a kind of a small festival all day long, were running through the neighborhoods, inviting people to come to the festival. And at the end of the day, we were hot. We were tired. We were exhausted. We were so sweaty because Jamaica is a very tropical nation. We just wanted to come back to the hotel, take a shower and get in bed. But when we got back to the hotel, there was a big problem. All the water in the hotel had been shut off. And so we didn’t know what to do, but someone in the group was a smart missionary.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:05):
They said, let’s go down to the swimming pool and let’s just take a bath in the swimming pool. So that’s what we did. We went down to the swimming pool. We took some soap and shampoo and we’re, we’re swimming in the Shamp in the swimming pool, just renting off. When, off on the edge of the swim pool, I noticed that there was a panel that was smoking and I thought to myself, panels are not supposed to smoke. And so I swam over to investigate this smoking panel and there were sparks coming out of it and everything. And as I’m looking at it suddenly the light that was under the water, it shocked my leg and it scared me because you can die from electricity in a pool. And so immediately this whole side of my body went numb. I managed to pull myself out of the pool and I was walking away, thanking God so much that I didn’t die in that pool.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:57):
And I was about six steps away from the pool. When suddenly I remembered that all of my friends were still in the pool and immediately I became very concerned for their safety. I, I rushed back over to the pool and I started yelling at guys, guys, get out of the pool. You’re going to die if you stay in the pool. There’s electricity. I, I got shocked. Well, I was only a teenager. My friends thought that I was just playing a practical joke. So they laughed at me, but I was serious. The guys guys get out of the pool. You got to get out of the pool right now. It shot me. It’s the electricity could kill you. And so I started even grabbing some people by the hair and pulling them out of the pool. And there were still a few more that wouldn’t get out.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:39):
And if I went over there and talked to them and I showed them the smoking ban, and I said, guys, it shocked me. If you stay in the pool, it could be a dangerous situation. So finally, I rescued everyone from the swimming pool and thank God, no one died that day. But right then God spoke to me and he says, Daniel, you need to have the same passion saving people from hell as used, showed, saving your friends from that swimming pool. You see a lot of people, they get so excited that they got saved. They walk away say, thank you God so much for saving me, but they forget that there is a world full of people out there who are dying and going to hell. And so thank God that you’re saved. Thank God that I’m saved, but let’s not forget about this world full of atheist.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:30):
People who don’t even believe in God, people who are denying the existence of God. And if they die in their sin, they will spend eternity separated from God. And so we need to have passion to go and reach it. Someone said that Christianity is simply one starving man who found bread going and telling all the other starving people where they can find bread. And so thank God we have the bread of life. We have the word of God. We have the answer for a world that is starving without God. And so I wrote proved God is real. And it really comes from one verse in the Bible. Let me read you that verse right now in Hebrews 11, verse six, it says without faith, it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:31):
And so I’ve been watching YouTube and I noticed that there are a lot of videos of atheists on YouTube that are actively trying to proselytize and, and bring people into atheism. And I was thinking, you know, we need to do something as a church to, to combat this spirit of atheism. And I started thinking like, what are the three greatest questions that our generation is asking today? And I came up with a long list of questions, many different questions that people are asking, but I decided that the three greatest questions are these three questions. Question number one is God. There is God. There is there really a God. The second great question. If there is a God who’s out there, does he care about me? Does God care? And then if you decide that there is a God in that he does care about me as an individual.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:34):
The third great question is, do I dare to follow him? So is God there does God care? And do I dare to follow him? And what’s really interesting is that all three of these questions are answered in this verse, Hebrews 11, six. First of all, this verse tells us that he exists. Yes, God is there. Second. This verse tells us that God rewards those who earnestly seek him. This tells me that God does care about me as an individual. And third, this verse tells us that without faith, it is impossible to please God. So this tells me that I must dare to trust him for my salvation. So is God there does God care? And do I dare to follow him? I said, so I started asking these questions and in studying, looking for answers to these questions. And it really came because of a mother that I met at a small church in Missouri.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:47):
I was preaching at this church and after I was done preaching, this mother came up to and she had tears in her eyes and she’s, she grabbed me by the hand. And she says, Daniel, could you please pray for my son? It’s desperate. Well, I thought her son was sick. He needed healing or something. So I said, tell me what’s wrong with him? And I’ll pray for him. And you see she, she went with and her boy, she says, my son has become an atheist. He was raised in the church. He heard all the Bible stories and Sunday school. He knows about Joseph and the coat of many colors. He knows about Jonah and the whale, but he moved down to Austin, Texas, and he got involved with this group of atheists. And now he says that he is an atheist and he even started a blog where he’s telling other people about atheism and recording videos about atheism.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:42):
And she said, please, could you pray for my son? And of course I reached out my hand. We, we, we grabbed hands together and I began to pray for her son. And then at the end of the prayer, she said, if I give you his phone number, will you call him? And of course I said, yes. And so she gave me his phone number. I called him the next day. And we had several long conversations even emailing back and forth about the questions that atheists are asking. And honestly, I didn’t really have all the answers to the questions that he was bringing up. And so, because of that, I started to study apologetics and I’ve got a big bookshelf now, full of great books about apologetics and just looking for different ways to provide an answer for the hope that is within me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:40):
And, and so, as I began to study all these books, I took all of these answers to these questions that atheists are asking, and I put them together in this book arranged under these, these three big questions is God, there does God care. And, and do I dare to follow him? And then just a couple of years ago, there was an atheist convention right here in Oklahoma. They, they say that Oklahoma is the buckle of the Bible belt. And so one day I was driving down the highway and I saw a huge billboard and it was advertising this atheist convention right here in my state that has churches on every single corner. And I said, wow, this spirit of atheism is aggressive and strong. And we need to do something to reach people who are atheist or who are skeptical about the things of God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:39):
And so I decided to go to the atheist convention and I went, I sat, I listened to everything that they were saying, sat in on all the sessions. And after words, I wrote up a blog post about what I had seen and heard at the atheist convention and, and my, my website isn’t that big, you can check it out. King ministries.com, K I N G king ministries.com. And normally I don’t get a lot of traffic on my blog posts you know, get a few dozen or a hundred people looking at a typical blog post. But when I posted this blog post about this atheist convention in just a few days, I had over 14,000 views, all atheist looking at this and commenting on it. And I probably got several hundred comments. People were mad, they’re cussing at me. They were angry about what I said about atheism, but I, I saw that there, there really is this tremendous need for Christians to reach out to atheists.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:50):
You know, I think I was the only Christian that went to that atheist convention. Well, I think that there should be dozens of Christians there interacting and having conversations with atheists. I also started to follow a bunch of atheists on Twitter and looking at what they’re saying, listening to their concerns. And, and a lot of what they’re saying is, is mocking Christianity mocking the religious beliefs of of different groups, but there is a core to it that I think the church really needs to listen to in, in our society. I think one of the biggest problems that we’re facing is this spirit of, of skepticism, this spirit of atheism that is attacking. And so I, after doing several years of research and writing and everything, I, I put together this book proof God is real and I have it available as a steady guide.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:55):
And as a book, it’s, it’s up on Amazon, you can find it by typing proof. God is real by Daniel King on Amazon. And it’s these three big questions is God there. And so I want to just give you a little bit of the information about the book. We don’t have time right now to, to cover everything in the book. And of course, there’s lots of great apologetics books out there, but I’d really like to encourage you to, to start looking for ways to reach out to our society. How are we going to reach atheist with a gospel? How are we going to interact with skeptics? How are we going to deal with our generation today? I find that sometimes Christians are really busy answering a lot of questions that is asking you go to church and they preach different sermons, different topics. And it’s not really answering the questions that people are asking.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:00):
You know, how are we going to reach people? I think we need to, as evangelists, we need to become solid in the study of apologetics. Now, sometimes people ask like, like, what is apologetics? Is that apologizing? For, for what we believe and apologetics is, is not in a apology apologetics is a tool that we can use to help to reach people. So the, the word apologetics comes from the Greek word Apologia, which means to give a reasoned response. And this word is found seven times in the new Testament. We find it in acts 22, 1 X, 25, 16 five more times. And it doesn’t mean to make an apology. It means to give a defense. And so someone has described apologetics as the frontline of the battle for people’s souls. And so before you can answer the questions of how do we deal with sin?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:18):
We have to start with the fact that there is a God, is there a God? Well, if someone doesn’t believe that there’s a God, they’re not going to care about Jesus being the son of God or Jesus dying on the cross or paying the price for our sins. I mean, first we have to establish the fact that there is a God and Isaiah one verse 18, Isaiah says, come now let us reason together in acts 19 verse eight, it says that the apostle Paul went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God. And so really apologetics is how we reason with people about the things of God. It’s how we persuade people to come to a realization that there is a God. And so sometimes there is a place for strong preaching and in calling people to repentance.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:17):
But often we need to sit down, listen to what people are saying and offer a reasoned response. And we can do that reason response through social media, through YouTube, through various different methods of reaching out to people in person sitting down at a coffee shop. But I think if you’re going to be an evangelist, if you’re called by God to be an evangelist, you should become proficient in the steady of apologetics. So in this book, proof, God is real. I narrowed down to seven proofs for the existence of God. So the first great question is God there. So I talk about the cosmological proof. So the cosmological proof is that premise a everything that exists must have a cause. Premise be this cause must be a great causer premise. See the only cause or great enough would be God in the conclusion, therefore God exists.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:24):
So the cosmological proof is the proof from cost. So let me give you an example of, of how this works in everyday life. So imagine that you, you have a group of friends and that you’ve got Sarah and Mary and Luke and a group of people. And so Sarah is a little cold and she wants a jacket. So she turns to her friend, Mary and says, Mary can you, can I borrow your jacket? And Mary says, yes, of course you can borrow my jacket, but, but I don’t have one with me. Let me ask Luke for a jacket. So she turns to Luke and Mary asks, Luke and Luke says, no, I don’t have a jacket, but let me ask my other friend Samuel so-so, Luke turns to Samuel and then Samuel turns to Paul and they, they keep asking for jackets, but nobody in the group has a jacket.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:22):
So Sarah can never receive a jacket because what you have is this group of borrowers. Everyone wants to borrow from someone else, but in order for someone to get a jacket, someone must first have a jacket to lend. You must have a first lender of the jacket. And so the same is true about the universe. Everything in the universe is caused. I can lift this book up and, and drop it. It falls on the desk. Well, the sound that comes is caused by the book falling, and I’m lifting it up and that’s what caused it to fall. That’s what caused the sound. Well, what caused me something had to have caused me. Well, my mom and dad gave birth to me and that’s what caused me. And it goes all the way back. And it’s this, this idea of what came first, the chicken or the egg.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:22):
So everything in the universe has a cause in that causer must be a great causer and that great causer is the one that we call God. Another proof that God is real is the tele illogical proof. This is evidence from design. If I was walking through the forest, I found my cell phone laying on the forest floor, and I never seen one before, but I picked it up and turned it on and started scroll through it and saw pictures and stuff. And wow, this is amazing. And then if I opened up the back of my cell phone, I’d see lots of intricate, little tiny pieces of electronics and battery parts. And it would be obvious that this cell phone was designed by a great designer. Steve jobs had the idea to make the apple cell phone and he put a lot of work into designing it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:27):
And there’s thousands of pieces inside a typical iPhone. But, you know, there are thousands of pieces of information in a strand of DNA. And it is obvious by looking at creation that everything that we can see was designed by a great designer in this great designer is the one that we call God. We also deal with the ontological proof, which would be proved from abstract reasoning. If you’re locked up in a room and it was totally dark, you couldn’t feel anything. And all you could do was think, could you prove that there’s a God? And the answer is yes. We also have the morality proof evidence from our sense of right and wrong. So premise a, if God does not exist, objective moral values do not exist. Premise be objective, moral values do exist. Conclusion, therefore God exists. And so the sense inside of us that there is right and wrong proves that there is a great moral law giver in this universe.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:43):
And that moral law giver is God. And so we can prove that God is there by our sense of right and wrong. And in everyone in our generation can see that there are things that are happening that are wrong. People are mad at, at racism. They’re mad at human trafficking. They’re mad at war. And they’re wondering why does this great evil and injustice exists in the world? And actually the fact that we know that these things are wrong, prove that there is a God who gives us an objective moral value of what is right and wrong. We also have scriptural proof evidence from the Bible. So the Bible says that God exists and we can see that the Bible is trustworthy when we begin to study it, therefore we can, that God exists. I also deal with proof from miracles. I’m an evangelist who believes that God is alive.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:54):
That Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever in the same miracles that Jesus did 2000 years ago, he can do today in, in many of our great festivals, we have seen God do great miracles. I was in the nation of Ethiopia a couple of years ago, and there was a man whose name was Mohammed. And he was a cripple and not many people came the first night of our festival. And it was because when our team went and put up posters, there was a team of Muslim, young people that came behind us and they were tearing the posters down from the walls. And in this, this group of Muslim youth, they actually started a fight and they threw a brick through the front windshield of our publicity vehicle. And the police were called. And they said that our guys had started the fight, which is ridiculous because why would we throw a brick through our own windshield?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:48):
And 17 of our Ethiopian team members were thrown into jail and we had to get a lawyer to get them out. And so then the first night of the festival, there weren’t many people in that area. Ethiopia is about 30% Muslim and the area that we were ministering in had a high concentration of Muslims. And, and so none of them were there. So I pray say, God, you have to do something. And so then on the second night of the festival, there’s man Muhammad, the cripple came and Jesus touched Mohammed, the cripple, and he lifted his crutch up into the air. And he began to run back and forth. He came up on the platform and he lifted his crutch into the air. And he said, Jesus healed me. Jesus healed me. And I said, what’s your name? He said, my name is Mohammad.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:32):
And instantly everyone knew that he was a Muslim. And so word began to spread that Jesus was healing Muslims, and that the next night, the crowd size doubled. And then the next night it doubled again. And then the next night, it double again, by the last night we had over 55,000 people in that place, many of the Muslim coming to hear about Jesus for the first time. And they came because of the miracle that God did in the life of this man named Mohammed. And so miracles can help us prove that God is real. You can’t argue with someone who has an experience of a miracle inexperience, we’ll be in argument any day of the week. And so when, when people begin to see God do miracles, they trust that God is real. And then of course we have redemptive proof for God’s existence. God has done great miracles in my life.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:31):
And without God, I know that I would be a horrible person. So God is there. Then this book deals with the question does God care. And I believe that the, that the proof that God cares is in the life of Jesus, the birth of Jesus proves that God cares the life of Jesus proves that God cares the death of Jesus proves that God cares. And the resurrection of Jesus proves that God cares for you as an individual. And so people are asking questions about whether Jesus really existed, whether he really lived, whether he really rose from the dead and this book answers those questions. And then the third grade question, do I dare to follow him? This, this book goes into the details of Pascal’s wager and lots of other great ways to ask people to dare to follow Jesus. And so I encourage you. If you want to learn more about apologetics, get a copy of this book proof, God is real. It’s available on amazon.com and you can also get the study guide to help you go through it. So prove God is real by Daniel King. And I pray that God would use you in a tremendous way to use apologetics, to bring atheists and skeptics to Jesus Christ. Check out my website, king ministries.com. Give me your email address and I’ll send you a free book. God bless you and have a great day.

Evangelism Podcast Host (31:09):
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Helping Ministers Prepare for Retirement | Ryan Lawrence

Ryan Lawrence is a financial advisor who has a heart to help ministers. In this episode of the Evangelism Podcast he explains why it is important for ministers to start planning for retirement at a young age. He gives some practical tips that will help you prepare for your future and give you options as you complete the calling God has on your life.

Here are some of the questions I ask Ryan Lawrence:

Why is it important for a minister to think about retirement?

Why does it important to start thinking about retirement when you are still young?

What do you say to ministers who never plan to retire?

Is it a lack of faith to put money aside for the future?

What are some of the steps that ministers need to take to prepare for retirement?

  1. Get out of debt
  2. Build an emergency fund
  3. Put 3-4 months worth of income in savings
  4. Put 15% of your income into investments
  5. Pay off your house
  6. Get Life Insurance
  7. Open up an investment account.
  8. Budgeting

Should a minister pay social security?

What are some of the vehicles that allow a minister to save for the future?

  1. 401K – Pre-tax investing
  2. 403-B if you work for a ministry
  3. 457 Plan – a church or a ministry can put funds directly into a fund.
  4. IRA
  5. Roth IRA – tax free mutual fund
  6. 529 Account for School Tuition

If you have more questions about preparing for retirement, contact Ryan Lawrence: ryan.lawrence@nm.com

For more advice for the evangelist, call Evangelism Coach Daniel King, 1-877-431-4276.

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Ryan Lawrence is a financial advisor who has a heart to help ministers. In this episode of the evangelism podcast. He explains why it is important for ministers to start planning for retirement at a young age, he gives some practical tips that will help you prepare for your future and give you options as you complete the calling God has on your life.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:27):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:03):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And I also love helping evangelists and other ministers prepare for what God has called them to do. And so today I have a very special guest with me. Ryan Lawrence is a financial advisor who specializes in helping ministers prepare for retirement. Ryan, thank you so much for joining me today. Thank

Ryan Lawrence (01:34):
You for having me, Daniel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:35):
I think it’s really important for ministers to start thinking about retirement early on. Can you tell me a little bit about your, your background and how you have helped ministers?

Ryan Lawrence (01:50):
Absolutely. Well, it really started many years ago. Like most people when I graduated from college, I just felt like I wanted to do really whatever God had called me to do whatever the Lord had asked me. And when I married my wife, she’s a pastor’s daughter and a lot of the people that I knew at the time and a lot of the people that I became acquainted with were many ministers and got to know several in that group over the years, ask myself the question, what is it that I feel called to do with my life? Since I’m surrounded by so many people that are in ministry and my family and a lot of my relationships and the more I would pray and seek the Lord about what I needed to do, the more he kept leading me back into business, back into sales, back into just into the the areas of course that many people would say weren’t really ministry, but the longer I prayed and the longer I sought the Lord and obeyed, I just these opportunities kept opening up.

Ryan Lawrence (02:51):
I mean, I even tried a few times to dip my toe in the water of ministry. I taught Sunday school and I was horrible at it. I tried to do a lot of things to kind of open the doors, people would say, and it just wasn’t where God had called me. But the longer that I pursued and just you know, line upon line precept upon precept steps of a good man are ordered. He just kept opening doors more and more doors for me to be in business. And I started to understand why later, when I got into financial planning and I started meeting with a lot of these people that I knew and realized that they had never met with a financial advisor. It didn’t matter if they were new to ministry. It didn’t matter if they’d been in ministry for 30 years, many of them for whatever reason, either just felt uncomfortable, didn’t know who to ask. So it was something that very few of them had even broached the subject on.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:44):
So imagine that you’re sitting down with a young evangelist, someone who has a call from God on their life, and they are giving 110% to the kingdom of God. They’re pouring every single moment of their life into reaching people for Jesus. This evangelist is raising money to go do crusades. And it takes every bit of faith that takes that he has in order to, to pull off every crusade. And he’s young. What advice would you give him at this stage in his ministry to prepare for his future as a financial advisor? What would you say to him? Well,

Ryan Lawrence (04:29):
The first requirement that I have when I’m meeting with somebody is not necessarily how much money they ha they earn, or how much money they have it’s do they care about their family? And the answer is, of course, yes, they do. Of course, no matter how ambitious they are you know, for their calling, I know they care about their family. Usually it’s just something that has to be presented to them as one of the things that they’re going to do in order to be a success with their life. You know, we know the verse, we know the the example where Jesus said, listen, if you’re going to give you don’t have to give the full loaf away. You, you, he only asked you to give one of your coats away, not both of them. And he doesn’t ask you to give the full loaf. So there’s, there’s the other half of the loaf that’s meant for you. And of course, he says that because he wants you to take care of yourself and your family. And we feel very strongly that God doesn’t love you more as an evangelist. If you sacrifice everything that you have and die broke or a missionary or anyone else administry there, there certainly is a precedent that says we can do all of those things and do it the right way.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:34):
So why do you think that it’s important for a minister to start thinking about his finances and to start thinking about retirement? Well, yeah,

Ryan Lawrence (05:43):
We want to have options when you get to a certain point in life. And, and I, I mentioned that I married a pastor’s daughter and of course I know for a fact that he was a minister who took the time to learn these things. His board took the time to help him prepare. And when he got to the point where he was ready to retire, he had options. He didn’t have to keep working because financially he was required to, he decided to continue as ministry, but really focus on the areas that he wanted to do because the finances, weren’t a huge pressure at the time. And that’s something that I think allows people options when they get to that point a for themselves and also for their family, because sometimes retirement is about helping you in your latter years. And sometimes it’s about helping your family and what you leave behind as a legacy. So there there’s, there’s always going to be more options when we decide to set aside and do things the right way. Now,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:39):
I think some ministers have the mentality that they’re never going to retire. They’re just going to refire. They’re never going to get out of the ministry. They’re just going to step into eternity. And it’s easy to think that way when you’re 20, 30 years of age, but sure. Later on you want to have options, as you say. And so why do you think it’s important to start thinking about retirement while someone is still at a young age?

Ryan Lawrence (07:08):
Well, that’s the best time to think about it because Albert Einstein said that compounding interest is one of the great mysteries of the universe. And what that simply means is that the, the younger you start on a plan and the more that you’re not even huge numbers, but the more you’re able to divert a little bit of money in the right direction, the more it’s going to pay back huge dividends later in life. And there’s people right now that are in their twenties that I tell them, look, you know, you’re probably not going to stop working until you’re in your seventies. That’s just the real direction. That’s a, if we’re going to live to be in our nineties, we’re probably going to work until, you know, 72, 73. So, you know, when you have 50 years to do it the right way, it’s amazing what can happen if you just make little tiny adjustments. I mean, there’s plenty of analogies about for example, when a plane takes off in Tulsa and he’s, he’s flying you know, thousands of miles away, if he starts to deviate from his path early on, then by the time he gets to his destination, he’s going to be way off his path. Of course, we also know that when we’re young, if we make those small incremental adjustments to our budget to allow us to happen, it can produce great results.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:17):
What would you say to the, to the minister who might say that it feels like a lack of faith in God to set aside money to the future, say, let’s just worry about today that tomorrow take care of itself. What would you say to those who feel that preparing for the future might indicate a lack of faith in God’s ability to prepare?

Ryan Lawrence (08:37):
Well, I’ve never well, for first off, I mean, the fact that the Bible promises that somebody will all die you know, there, there is a certain there’s a certainty to that, that we know that if we’re going to die, it’s, it’s really wise to have certain things in place like life insurance. But, you know, the administrator of the day I met at a breakfast told me he was a, he’s a missionary in Africa. And he came to me and he said, you know, I’ve, I’ve always quoted the verse of scripture seek first, the kingdom of God. But he said, I kind of used it as a, as a way that I didn’t want to have to prepare, but something happened to him. He ended up getting married and he ended up having a baby. And it changed the way that he thought about the future. And I don’t think that there’s a lack of faith to look at your wife and kids and say, you know what, I’m going to do whatever I can to make sure that they’re taken care of. And I know a lot of ministers that have a tremendous amount of faith for themselves, but what I tell them is do you expect your wife to have exactly the same amount of faith as you do at that point in time, do you expect them to carry that on without even talking to them about it?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:39):
So you mentioned some incremental things that people could start doing. What are some of those things you just mentioned? Insurance talk, talk to me about some of the things that someone should start thinking about in order to have a solid financial plan.

Ryan Lawrence (09:56):
If somebody comes to me and says, how do I start a process? This may sound like a it’s slightly counterproductive. But the first thing I recommend they do is buy some life insurance on someone they care about. Usually their spouse. And the reason is, is because it doesn’t produce a huge result for them immediately. But what it does is it shows that they’re committed to the plan. It shows that they’re willing and committed to doing something for somebody else. That’s not going to produce any results for them immediately. It’s amazing how I’ve watched net worth of individuals over the years, start to head in the right direction. Once they make those little commitments. Sometimes it’s very small commitments. We have to make the steps of a good man are ordered. It’s never the next five steps. It’s always, what is the very next step that we need to do?

Ryan Lawrence (10:39):
Not the leaps and bounds, but what’s the step. So when they make that first commitment, we get that done. We get it done the right way. Second thing we try to do is go ahead and open up an investment account to where they’re automatically putting money into it. And if they’re only able to do a hundred dollars a month, perfect, we’ll start with that. For many people. If we’re talking about specific things, a Roth IRA is a wonderful place to begin. If you don’t have a company or a job, rather that matches your 401k than a Roth, IRA is a wonderful place to begin because it’s basically tax-free investing. So let, let’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:13):
Give some definitions here. Explain what is a 401k? What is a Roth?

Ryan Lawrence (11:18):
A 401k is what’s called a qualified plan. And that means you go work for a company. They offer a 401k where you can take money before it ever hits your paycheck. It’s called pre-tax investing. And it goes directly into this account. And sometimes your company will offer a percentage of a match. And if they do, you should always take it because it’s free money. Sometimes they don’t. So not every company offers that if they don’t offer a 401k or a 4 0 3 B, if you work for a ministry, then I always tell people, open up a Roth IRA. You can invest either six or $7,000 a year, depending on your age. And in many cases you might even be able to open up one free in your wife’s name. But it gives you the advantage of investing money into a plan that will never be taxed by the government.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:06):
What if someone is leading a ministry, is there a way for their board to set up a compensation package so that a portion of the minister’s compensation would go automatically into a 4 0 3 B or some type of

Ryan Lawrence (12:24):
That’s a great question. And absolutely 100%. One of the areas that I help ministers decide what options to choose. Let’s say you’re a minister or a head of an organization, and you only have two or three employees, or your employees are technically contract labor. And it doesn’t make sense for you to open up a qualified plan, like a 401k or four, three B, because there’s extra expenses involved to open up this plan. There are several different plans that you can do. There’s one plan that I’m particularly fond of called a four or five seven. And what that is is a ministry, a church, especially, or a ministry organization can put funds directly into an account on behalf of an individual like yourself or whoever is there. And because they are a nonprofit organization, the federal government, or the IRS does not monitor them, or does not ask them to abide by the same requirements as a business owner.

Ryan Lawrence (13:20):
They’re non-ERISA is what that’s called. And the government does not put stipulations on the amount of money that can go into that plan or the age that they have to start pulling from. For example, most plans. Now you have to start pulling from by 72 or the IRS will penalize you because they want that money to be taxed. If you work for a ministry or in charge of a ministry, you can actually invest money and not have those requirements. So there’s stipulations. So there are a couple of different, very good options that even ministers have that other companies don’t

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:52):
And then explain what a Roth IRA is.

Ryan Lawrence (13:55):
Sure. Roth IRA is basically a tax-free mutual fund and the government has said, we want to incentivize people to invest in their future. So what they do is they say, if you make less than 124,000 as a single individual, or 208,000, roughly as a married couple, you can invest up to $6,000 a year under the age of 50 or 7,000. Once you hit 50 and whatever that amount of money grows to someday, the IRS will never tax you on it because they have giving you a window that says, if you make below a certain amount, we’ll let you invest this amount of money. Now think about that for a second. If those limitations weren’t on there, then that’s the investment that everybody would use because nobody would really want to pay taxes. So it’s a great thing to take advantage of,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:43):
To at least start out with a Roth IRA, because you’re putting money in that that’s been taxed and then over life of the Roth IRA, you never pay any taxes on that money.

Ryan Lawrence (14:56):
No, never pay taxes on the growth, never pay taxes when you pull it out. Really the simplest analogy I can use is if you go to the store and buy a bag of seed and they say, okay, would you like to go ahead and pay taxes on it right now? Or would you like to go home, plant everything, harvest it, sell it, and then pay taxes. Then most of us would say, let’s go ahead and pay the taxes now and get it over with that’s what you’re doing with a Roth.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:16):
So what are some of the other steps that a minister should take in order to get their financial life in shape?

Ryan Lawrence (15:24):
Obviously budgeting is a huge part of that because it reduces stress and an agreement between you and your spouse to say, okay, we’re going to make solid financial decisions so that we can do these things. It’s, it’s simply the ability to manage your finances and, and be a good steward, not just to take care of your family, but we also want to be generous. We also want to give to ministries like yours. So we want to have the ability to do that. And you come to an agreement that you’re going to budget first, get it done in the right order and make sure that as the Bible says, good measure, pressed down, shaken together. When you’re pressing down, it really means that you’re just producing more room in your bag to be able to hold more later. So I think it’s great to have a well, there’s nothing wrong with just figuring out ways to make sure that you’re able to do all of these things really success in the financial world is, is not necessarily just having a lot of things to show people. It’s the ability to have nice things. It’s the ability to have your finances in order. It’s the ability to have your investments set up so that all of these things are moving forward properly. And the best way to measure that every year is take a look at your net worth. If your net worth is growing every year, that means you’re doing something right.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:34):
So let’s talk about budgeting. What are some percentages of what you would recommend that someone would invest? Like some people may have a big salary. Other people might have a small salary, but if you break it down into some percentages what would you recommend someone should be putting aside for the future? Well, there’s a lot. Yeah.

Ryan Lawrence (16:56):
I don’t have theories on that. I think a general rule of thumb is some people say between five and 10%, I think 5% is a, is a good starting point. If you can manage to do 10%, then obviously you’re, you’re managing your money. Well, because in this day and age, of course, there’s always going to be things that we need and things that we need to do. But when we do it in the right order, it allows us to control our money and control our compulsion’s. If you will, our emotions to where we actually learn how to say no to certain things and come back to it later and figure out a way to get it done. Right. And for many people, it’s usually about the order when they invest, when they give and they invest first, then the rest of the money that they have they’re able to manage their budget very well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:40):
You’ve helped a lot of pastors and ministers to, to prepare for the future. Tell me some success stories of what people have been able to do.

Ryan Lawrence (17:51):
Well, there’s been really most of the success stories I have probably aren’t overwhelmingly exciting. I think what happens is, is I start out with a couple were literally their net worth is just a few thousand dollars. And within a few years, know, their net worth is well over a hundred thousand and going in the right direction. And it isn’t necessarily because they made wholesale changes across the board. It was very small changes that they decided to make. And it just started to add up in the right direction. Now I know that we’ve heard plenty of teaching on tiding and I I’m very much a fan of tightening. And I think we need to give generously as the Bible teaches, but where I think a lot of ministers unfortunately have missed an opportunity is they haven’t encouraged their people. What do they do after they tithe?

Ryan Lawrence (18:36):
And after the tiling is done, if they learn how to get these other things in order, they’re going to start seeing their finances grow tremendously. They’re going to start seeing their net worth every single year, the gap get wider and wider in the right direction because they’re making very small decisions. And most of the success stories I can say that I’m very excited about are people that I’ve been working with for the last 10 years that started off literally at zero that are now doing very well. And it was a very slow process because the Bible teaches that slow growth is the right way. If we gain, if we earn money too quickly, it tends to sprout wings and fly away. That’s what the Bible teaches because people don’t understand how to really manage it. And, and another example that has been researched and confirmed over and over again in my industry is that when people earn an inheritance or receiving inheritance, usually within 18 months, the whole amount is gone. And it doesn’t matter if it’s $5,000 or 5 million, because if they don’t have a foundation in place, how to handle that money, when they get it, they’re going to continue to spend money the same way they always have.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:36):
So let’s, let’s go through some of these incremental changes that you’re recommending for sure. First of all if you have a wife and kids, sure. Life insurance is one of those foundational things

Ryan Lawrence (19:49):
Should do. Absolutely. You can, you can start off with term insurance and you can you, everybody that I’ve worked with can afford some amount. I recommend, I think that every human being should have some life insurance on them. You know, even if they’re a newborn, I mean, there’s ways to do that, but it’s just simply because we’re trying to plan for the future, the best we can. And it allows us to take pressure off ourselves, allows us to sleep better at night. It allows our wives to feel more comfortable when we tell them, look, this is what would happen if something were to happen. And it’s certainly not a lack of faith to tell your wife that she’s going to be taken care of. I think it takes great faith to believe God for a little bit more money to go ahead and pay for these things more than it does to believe God that he’s going to take care of your wife after you’re gone.

Ryan Lawrence (20:32):
So when I look at all the things that happen, yes, life insurance is usually ground zero because it shows a commitment to your family, the investing portion, and there’s other things, depending on your levels of income, there’s other products out there that people will invest in such as disability insurance that will help them in case they can’t work anymore. Long-Term care. Insurance is something that people are starting to look a little bit more at as they get older. But in, in the beginning, if you’re just starting out, I do think that life insurance and starting an investment account is also very important because it gets your mind focused in the right direction. Okay.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:07):
And then another incremental thing that someone could do is get started with an investment account and set up to automatically put at least something in that, in, in on a regular basis, right?

Ryan Lawrence (21:20):
They, they do that simply. You can, you can have every month you can have it, of course pulled out of your bank account. If it’s a Roth or if it’s a 401k, it’s going to come out of your paycheck, but it allows you. I don’t want to say it forces you, but it gets you in a position where you become used to what your budget is. And before you know, it, you’ve already got something started and it’s going in the right direction. But you know, there’s also the ability to drop single amounts. And if you’re having a good year or if you saved a little bit, or you feel like, you know what, I’m going to go ahead and just drop something in at the end of the year, Roth IRAs will even allow you to drop. In a, for example, this is 2021. You can fund your Roth IRA for 2021 until tax day of 2022. So you actually get a couple extra months next year to go back and apply it to this year, if you want to. So there’s a lot of flexibility there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:07):
What other advice would you give to a minister?

Ryan Lawrence (22:10):
Well, I certainly, as I said earlier, I certainly wouldn’t discount the fact that this is something that God really wants you to look into and be prepared. And I think it’ll only enhance your ministry to be that minister that actually takes care of these things as well. And doesn’t just completely ignore them. I feel like that the moment that you step into this room, I’ve never seen a minister who said, I’m going to go ahead and do this and started down that direction where God didn’t provide extra money for him to take care of his family. It’s just simple and he’ll do it every time I’ve watched it happen. And he’s not angry with you for doing it. It’s something that I feel like is up to you to do it. I feel like that we’re supposed to study the word and come to that conclusion on our own, but I don’t believe, I mean, after God has spoken to us through his word, I feel like that he’s not going to spend any time reminding us over and over again to do these things. It’s really our choice.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:59):
I have two young kids. Caleb is 11. Katie grace is nine, and we’re already starting thinking about paying for college for them. Are there some vehicles that can be used to help prepare for saving for college?

Ryan Lawrence (23:12):
Well, there’s the 5 29 plans in just about every state. I think has one that you can invest in and it simply works like this. You put money into the plan and whatever that balance grows to by the time they get to college, there’s no taxation on it. So it’s a tax free investment. As long as you make the payments directly to the university or trade school or whatever school they’re going to go to, then the government will not tax you. Now let’s say, you’re you put all this money aside and both your kids get scholarships. Cause they’re so brilliant, right? Eh, you can even give it to a relative if you want to at that point, or if you decide, you know what, I have no one else to give it to I’ll go ahead and pull the money out. Well, then you’ll have to pay taxes on the growth. And there is a little bit of a penalty. So it’s not, there’s really no advantage for doing that unless that’s the last option, but there are things available. Absolutely.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:59):
What do you think about social security? Some ministers opt out of paying social security. This is something that is only available to ministers. That’s one of the, either perks or dangers of being in ministry. I know some ministers, they say, I’m not going to pay social security. I’m going to invest it instead, but then they never invest. And when they get to retirement age, they don’t have that social security net to fall back on. What advice would you give to a minister in that

Ryan Lawrence (24:30):
Great question I’ve encountered this many times. Sometimes a minister will get ordained and you’ll have a friend say, look, just opt out so you can earn more money. Well, they’re not really thinking through the process correctly. Now that of course is a 7.6, 5% of your paycheck is pulled from pulled to social security. Now, when you work for an employer, they will match that. So it’s actually 15.2% of what you’re earning is going into social security. If you decide I’m no longer going to put my half in, that means your employer is not going to put their half on either. So you’re not just setting aside. You’re not just taking six point or 7.6, 5% off. You’re taking the whole 15.2. So my advice, if you’re going to do that, you need to go ahead and set up a Roth IRA immediately and put 7.65% into it.

Ryan Lawrence (25:22):
If you’re going to take advantage of that, I have no problem with somebody wanting to invest their money. In fact, if I were given the option to do that, I would certainly do that. Because I know we can do better with that. The problem, like you said is when people say I don’t have to pay that anymore. And they look at it as if it’s a raise, I can earn more money, but then when they get to retirement they’re at the very end of the line, I’ve had CPAs telling me that they have ministers that come in their office at 65, 67, just beside themselves in tears, because the denomination they were with says, it’s signed for them to retire. They have to move out of the parsonage and they have nothing, literally have nothing. And they’re of course their wives are trying to be supportive and they’re honestly asking themselves, what do I do now?

Ryan Lawrence (26:04):
I think that question probably should have been asked many years ago. And that is something that I try to a certain amount of reality that I try to shed on the situation is, you know, you do need to prepare for that. But I even have some ministers that worked before they got into ministry and I had one the other day, tell me, you know what, I’m not sure I want to take that money because it’s from the government. I disagree with what the government’s doing. And I said, listen, if you worked for usually it’s about 10 years before you opted out, you’ll still get something, okay, that’s the rule with social security is it’s basically 40 quarters or 10 years. If you do that, then, then you are vested in if you will. Well, if you know, he came to me and said, I’m not sure I really believe in the government’s vision with this. Do I really want to take this money? And I said, you should go and take it. Number one, you to loan them all that money. And now it’s time for them to pay it back. So you should go ahead and take it. I don’t think that many people have a problem with that, but so I’ve heard several different scenarios and I, I just feel like, look, if you don’t want to opt out, that’s really not always a bad thing either.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:07):
There’s a lot more technical details and specific investment vehicles that, that you have expertise in. Thank you so much for, for being on the program today. But if someone has more questions, they want to get more advice about how to prepare for their future, especially if they’re they’re in ministry and, and have some questions about that. How would someone get ahold of you and, and ask more questions?

Ryan Lawrence (27:34):
Just email me. My email address is Ryan dot Lawrence. That’s R Y a N dot L a w R E N C E at, and it’s in M for Northwestern mutual. But in, as in Nancy, M as in michael.com.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:49):
So ryan.Lawrence@nm.com, that’s correct. I would encourage you if you have more questions about being in ministry and how to prepare for retirement, how to prepare for your future questions about getting life insurance, about making investments putting money aside for your, your kids college, putting aside money for the future, I’d encourage you to, to reach out to Ryan Lawrence. He has a lot of expertise in this area. He also has the heart of a teacher teaching people how to properly prepare. I think that’s one of the, the, the key things. When you’re looking for an investment advisor, you want someone who doesn’t just sell you, you need to do this, you need to do that and, and, and gives you the thing that they’re going to make the biggest commission on to, to invest in. You want to be with someone who can teach you and to help you make the right decision for your future to understand why you are making these decisions and why they’re important.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:53):
And so you really have the heart of a teacher. I really appreciate that. And so I’d encourage you to, to reach out to, to Ryan Lawrence and ask him any questions you have about preparing for retirement now, while you’re still young in ministry. Ryan, thank you so much for being with us. I really appreciate you. You been a tremendous blessing to our ministry. You’ve supported us for quite a few years. Been very faithful, and I really appreciate that you guys are good grounded. So thank you for being with me. I appreciate it.

Ryan Lawrence (29:25):
You’re welcome.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:26):
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Russell Abbot | From New Zealand to Africa with Love

Russell Abbot was one of my evangelism students at Victory College. Today he tells the story of how his first crusade was a major disappointment, but he persisted and now ten years later, his ministry has reached hundreds of thousands of people for Jesus in East Africa.

Website:  http://advanzeafrica.com/ 

For more information about evangelism, call Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach at 1-877-431-4276.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:01):
Russell Abbott was one of my evangelism students at Victory College. Today, he tells the story of how his first crusade was a major disappointment, but he persisted in now 10 years later, his ministry has reached hundreds of thousands of people for Jesus in East Africa.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:21):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist, Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:57):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King. And today we have a special guest with us, Russell Abbott. Thank you for joining me today.

Russell Abbot (01:07):
Thank you, Daniel and honored to be with you. You are one of my very first teachers back in Bible college. You’ve continued to mentor me and empower me to be reaching the nations. And we’ve been going into over 30 nations and reaching hundreds of thousands of people for Christ. And I think some of those souls may be going into your account.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:34):
Well, that’s awesome. Tell me a little bit about what countries you’re going to and what God is doing through your ministry.

Russell Abbot (01:42):
Okay. So originally I was in south America, a lot to central America. Haiti traveled across and to India a little bit in Europe, you know, a good mix smash of the world. And in eventually God lead me down into Africa. And initially I was teaching and Bible schools and then doing whatever the pastors would ask me, if you want to, can you visit the prison with our team? Can you do a men’s conference? Can you do in an evangelism program? Can you take our team out into the park? You know, I, I had a fabulous time traveling around the world, living and staying with the pastors and then, you know, they would just throw me in the deep end. And we had our famous pastor, pastor, Billy Joe Daugherty. He told us back in Bible college, if you get any opportunity to preach, if anybody asks you whatsoever, just say, yes, don’t think about it. Just say, yes, I can do it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:50):
And so you started saying yes, and you have been doing it ever since

Russell Abbot (02:54):
He started saying yes, without even thinking or praying about it. And Le loaded me and a lot of great ministry situations. I would run back to my little guest house or wherever I’m staying in the room or the pastor crying out to God, God, I don’t know how to do this. Please help me and God would. And that I had a fantastic time and just been so responsive to the holy spirit and the opportunities just developed and grew my boldness confidence ministry. And eventually, as I said, God took me to Africa. We went there to start a Bible colleges. We started Bible colleges in Kenya. I think there’s like just from this one college we first started it’s out of that has birthed about 70 or 80 and about 5,000 graduates from that very first trip. Now this is this is nine years, nine years, 10 years later.

Russell Abbot (03:57):
But so that very first trip was very fruitful. We also did evangelizing out in the marketplaces and many of the poor areas just on the ground, roar our team, carrying the speakers and the sound equipment and stuff on the backs through and between the huts and things sitting up in a local ground, putting on the African Bing, Bing, Bing bong music and, and sitting up the dancers and attracting a crowd and then just bang, launching them with the gospel and seeing 2030, sometimes a hundred or more people give their lives to Christ on that level. And that got my blood pumping, just seeing the response. There was such a hunger there in east Africa.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:49):
Let’s talk about how you got started. So you’re from the nation of New Zealand, the land of sheep and Lord of the rings. And you came here to Tulsa to go to school at, at victory college. How did you end up coming to Tulsa?

Russell Abbot (05:08):
That’s a long story. You know, I was brought up in a heathen family, had a bit of Catholic training and teaching, but God was not real to me. I was just involved in partying and drinking, really a deeply broken individual who didn’t realize it. My mother had died when I was two years old. And I discovered the answer to my life was beer and lots of it. And so I was bearing all the pain and having a great time and I was loving son, but there was demons harassing me every morning. I’d wake up with my heart, still empty and broken. All of that beer in relationships. Couldn’t fix it. And these spirits would start tempting. Tormenting me, your life is hopeless. You’re going nowhere. You’ve got no purpose. Just kill yourself, kill yourself. But you know, good couple of bottles of beer can fix that too.

Russell Abbot (06:09):
So, so I was working but also partying and drinking as much as I could, but those spirits would not leave me. And I didn’t know they were spirits at that time. But as a tough young guy or pretending to be a tough young guy, I had all of that. And eventually eventually I came across a cousin who got born again. He took me to church and the gospel they preached in this particular church was acts 2 38, repent, and be baptized every one of you for the forgiveness of your sins. And you’ll receive the gift of the holy spirit. And they told me if you surrender your life to Jesus, then you need to be baptized and we’re going to pray for you. And you’ll come out, speaking in tongues, right there in the baptism waters. And I didn’t believe it, but I started talking to the people in the church and many of them had miracle testimonies.

Russell Abbot (07:06):
Some of the lot were sinners and me, you know, gang guys that the pastor had been in bikey gangs. And he’d been on run for the law for many years for murdering a guy that was our pastor and then associate pastor had been what is it, Sergeant of arms it’s called and the house angels, New Zealand chapter hell’s angels, which means he’s the God of war for the hell’s angels. I mean, these guys were wicked guys and ex Draghi’s and there were some ex hippies, more kind of still hippie-ish Israeli and some nice old grandmas. And I was like these, all those bunch of people living together in a spirit of love. And you know, it was during my heart that some reality, some of them had had dramatic healings of life-threatening illnesses and asked me on different things. And so rarely really stood.

Russell Abbot (08:02):
This could be something. And if God is real, I want to know God, I want to love him. I want to follow them. I want to experience this love they’re talking about, and I want to live the truth. I want to get into my life and find out that there is a judgment day and that I’ve wasted my whole life doing whatever. And I didn’t live the truth and didn’t live for God when he’s real and calls me to be a son. So I thought, let me at least try this kind as a gamble, but really I partially in faith, but God, if you’re real, and this is really true, the improve yourself and fill me with the holy spirit like these people said, and I didn’t really expect anything to happen, but God was working in my heart. And one night they bet ties me in a bath.

Russell Abbot (08:51):
It’s like, come out of the water. There was a group of them just laid hands praying for me. And I had a vision of Jesus and I saw Jesus on the cross and I saw his crown of thorns on his head. And I saw the blood just running down over his face, over his body and washing into the ground. And it was like, God was speaking Russell. I did this for you. I love you so much. You are so precious and beautiful to me. I paid for your sins for your forgiveness, with the blood of my own son. And they might the pastors. Remember they shook me. I was just entranced with that vision. And God’s speaking to me and they shook me, tid Russell, you know, what’s happening. And I’m like, oh, what’s happening? What’s going on? And they said, you’re speaking in tongues.

Russell Abbot (09:42):
I was like, at the time, same time I, as I was having as vision, I’ve felt a massive and fully enough love and joy and peace and just bubbling up out of me was speaking in tongues was picturing Jesus on the cross. So I had that dramatic darkness to light conversion, bam. And one night give him serene my life to Jesus baptized, full immersion baptism and the water coming out. Speaking in tongues, seen Jesus on the cross. That night I drove home in my car and I was just laughing and crying at the same time, just crying with a thankfulness and gratefulness because I realized God is real. God was very real and by heart from that time on. But I also realized I hadn’t even been seeking him. I hadn’t even been searching him. I was like, I felt like God, out of his love for me, I was just like a grain of sand on the beach.

Russell Abbot (10:40):
And he had just reached down and picked me up out of all those other millions of people. And he had reached up and he brought me close to his heart and revealed his love to me. And it was a very powerful night, very powerful lives, transforming time. I’ve never turned away from God since that time. And I’ve tried to give my heart fully to him. And at that same time as that happened, the next, the next couple of days, I became aware that God had a special purpose for me. I had this feeling inside of me that God had something special for my life. I didn’t know what a calling was. I didn’t know what a destiny was. I didn’t know what a ministry was, but that’s how I was just becoming aware that God had something special and powerful for me. But I, and I also had the feeling that I just wanted to go around the whole world and lay hands on everybody and see the whole world heal.

Russell Abbot (11:36):
And that, you know, I was, I was saved, delivered, you know, those demonic voices were gone. The addictions to the alcohol I’d even been starting to experiment and then drugs. And that was all delivered. I was, you know, just one of these young guys, I was just passing all the time and he just took that change to my heart and my language to be pure. He gave me a hunger for purity. I just love to be good. I just love to be pure. And he delivered me from all of those past. Not all of them, actually there was after, you know, God, there’s some things he delivers you from straight away about all of those initial outward things and those demonic voices. And they had alcohol. And and not only did he deliver him, deliver me bat. He gave me that calling all in that one special night.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:32):
So you experienced true transformation. And I remember when you were my student here in Tulsa victory college, I was doing a class on evangelism in the missions part of the college. And we did some classes on how to do crusades. And I remember just going down through the list, this is how you organize the churches, and this is how you have a platform and this is how you get lights. And this is how you preach the gospel and giving all the different criteria that it takes in order to do a crusade. And then you went to Africa and I remember getting your emails and you always do a great job communicating, showing what

Russell Abbot (13:22):
They want me to do, a crusade. What do I do now?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:26):
And so I remember you sent me in one of your emails, a picture of a crusade that you had done, and you took all of the instructions and had given them to one of the African brothers who helped you out. And you had told him, okay, now for the crusade, we need to set up a platform in the market area. And when you set up a platform, you need to put a hand rail around the edge of it in order to make sure that no one falls off of it. And you sent me the picture of this platform that the brother had built you. And it was only about one foot off the ground. It was about two feet maybe by that hand, red hat. So no one would fall off the platform. And I just remember laughing at him because he took your instructions and just had this little tiny platform. And I think in the picture, there were maybe 10 or 15 people way across the other side of the field, maybe listening to you or maybe they were shopping. I’m not sure. And I just like, oh no, it’s, it’s very difficult. But you recovered from that disappointment. I don’t know what your budget was, but hopefully it wasn’t too much, but since then, you’ve done lots of, I want to tell you the full story of that.

Russell Abbot (14:50):
Can I tell you the full story? Yeah, yeah. You were helping me so much in those days and it’s true. I went down there and I told the Africans, you know, I’m up from America now, I’ve been to Tulsa. I was in TL Osborn and, and den Daniel King’s classes. And so I’m a crusade professional, and really I’d just been in one crusade in Haiti and how build the stage out of sticks. So that was my extent apart from your great schooling. Ubut you know, so really the Africans knew a lot more than me, but on this particular one, I was out in a area,unear Narok with the mass eye tribe. And I’d say, we’re doing in Kenya. Yes. In Kenya,udoing the first Bible school,uand this particular area for the mass high tribes had recently given their lives to Jesus.

Russell Abbot (15:44):
And so I was in school one day and I was teaching on the gifts of the holy spirit and how first I start off with teaching them to listen to the holy spirit, pray, praying for each other. And then they’re getting maybe visions and dreams. And in the class we all prayed and I prayed as well. And I got a little vision. So I then shared on the importance of once you get visions, dream prophecy, whatever you have to properly interpret and then properly apply. So I was sharing these principles and in the process of that, I shared the vision I had, which I saw myself on quite a high stage preaching to a lot of African people. And I used the word stage and the, I went and told the pastor who was the one who organized me to come. And then he came to me, you know, that night or the next day.

Russell Abbot (16:38):
And he said, we have a stage, we have a stage right here. You’re meant to do a crusade and our village. And I was like, what? You have a crusade and you have a stage. And he was talking so excited and he so wanted me. And I was like, I’m not sure, really. And he says, no, you can do it. And then you can come back and teach part two another series for our school. And I was loving being there. They were great people, sweethearts and spirits. And I was just making my schedules going along. So I prayed about, and I felt maybe it is of God. I wasn’t sure. Well maybe there’s a God and it’ll be good to come back and teach again. So I said, yes, let’s do it. Meanwhile, after my first teaching, I, I flew, but this pastor was so brilliant that he helped me, Mr.

Russell Abbot (17:30):
Plane. So I ended up catching the bus all the way through to Tanzania Mwanza. And I actually preached in as big crusade and Mwanza, the second largest city in Tanzania, and was exactly how was in the vision, but the people Mount of people in the height of the stage, et cetera, et cetera. And so I had a great time there just sharing briefly. I wasn’t the main speaker, but I joined them and did some trainings with the pastors then flew back, went back to Narok, expecting this big mighty crusade we had. We had stopped in Nairobi and got them to print posters, et cetera, that churches were promoting. Then the first day of the crusade cam. And I was, I was saying, my house was far away with our hosting me. They brought me into the little village and I was expecting there to be, you know, some music and dancing and crowd gathered.

Russell Abbot (18:31):
And there was just a little, little bunch of Christians going round in this in this kind of open space next to the shops and kind of doing a bit like an Indian rain dance woo. And raising her hands, shut up, blah, blah, blah, blah. And not hardly a person for miles, no one coming around them. Now I didn’t have a, your vision of what a crusade stage or anything. They’re just purely on the ground. And, and I was, I was feeling embarrassed. One good thing they hadn’t before that pastor taken me to visit this crippled lady. And she’d been bid cast quite a while. The whole visual village knew we prayed for her within a couple of minutes. You’d got up walking around, completely healed. And so she came down to she, her testimony at our big crusade. And and so at that stage, at that stage, we didn’t have a stage.

Russell Abbot (19:35):
We just went out into the middle and it’s like that people were far away. I’m trying to call them, come close. We’ve got a special basis. You know, they are just hugging the few people that there were hugging the side of the walls of their shops. And I was just literally preaching to the choir. And so that was the first out of the crusade. And I was a bit baffled by it. And it also is that the past the city had a stage and there was no stage there. And then I went back and asked her, the pastor, pastor, where was the stage? And why didn’t the people come? I thought you said, this would be a fabulous crusade. Why are we doing a crusade? And he said, you know, the people that we’ve had lots of crusades here and lots of teams and people go through and they hate crusades.

Russell Abbot (20:24):
They don’t even like them. And I said, now that you tell me, yeah, I said to him, so why are we doing a crusade here? And he said, well, you had the vision. You’re the one that had the vision. So we had to have it. And then I said, and where was the stage? You didn’t bring this stage down. I thought you said you had a stage. Where was it? And he said, oh, the word stage here means means bus stop. We have of a bus stop. We would, they were doing a crusade, was actually where the buses come through every few hours and stop the, pick the people up. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:00):
You really kind of had a, a translation error, cultural.

Russell Abbot (21:05):
Yeah. It’s like a visionary,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:09):
But did anyone get saved at that?

Russell Abbot (21:13):
So being a man from victory, Daniel King background, you know, we’ve trained that there’s not just one way to evangelize. And so I went back to the drawing board that night, praying to God. And I was like, let us form the church and to teams and let us go around and visit the people in the, in the town and little teams of twos and threes. And so the next day we did that and we just had a fabulous time talking with the people. They don’t want to come to the religious crusade and jumping and shouting in that little place. They were crusaded out. But when you just go and spend some time and talk with them, we had great times talking open our hearts. And I think on that second day between it was like three or four teams we created, we lead about 20 something, people to Jesus. And I think we ended up going for about four days the mayor of that huge metropolis city of about 3000 people. He was a drunkard. He gave his life to Jesus by nev on, as you said, then I had gotten angry with the pastor and I told him, you have to build me a stage promise. So I gave him that design because we had no budget. It was only two foot square, but it did have a handrail. And I felt like kept

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:34):
Just at a hand rail to make sure No one would fall off.

Russell Abbot (22:39):
Yeah. Let’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:40):
Come on to the important safety

Russell Abbot (22:42):
First. And really, I let, I let the Africans do both of the preaching. I was just a novelty Muslim guy. I was enjoying going around visiting with the people more. But by the end of that week, the beer had gotten saved. Like over a hundred people had gotten saved. We had a revival meeting the church, the whole church was packed out with people standing around and somehow God turned it into a great success. And we just went on for like three or four hours at meeting. Even the mayor came down and testified again. And yeah. So, so

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:16):
Since then, you’ve done many crusades in different countries there in Africa. You’ve done things with our friend, Michael Ross, who I’ve had on the evangelism podcast before. And you’ve organized events for Jennifer Wilde. Yeah.

Russell Abbot (23:38):
One day one Africa,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:39):
One God, one day, one Africa. Tell me about some of the different places that you’ve done, crusades and what results you’ve seen.

Russell Abbot (23:48):
So, so one of the first breakthrough moments in my life, I’d been into Kenya a couple of times, and I’d been working with this particular Bishop who some people called the Billy Graham of east Africa. And they were just crusade professionals. And they had whole teams when they would go into a town, not only would they mobilize for the crusade, but they would bring a team of about 30 evangelists and they would be mobilizing the whole town with the marketplaces. Jesus. And what was the Bishop’s name? His name was Bishop Ben Behati.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:23):
And he’s gone on to heaven now.

Russell Abbot (24:25):
Yeah, he’s been promoted. I think God said, look, Bishop, you’ve got so many souls to your account. I’m going to have to take you out just to leave some for the other people just to leave samples, but I’ve heard of him.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:36):
I mean, he had a tremendous ministry.

Russell Abbot (24:38):
Yeah, yeah. A lot of Vangelis went through him, some quite famous ones. And so that really scald me an African evangelism being there on his big crusades, out in his little market, preaching crusades, et cetera. And some people were speaking about Burundi and sharing how there’s many, it’s a really impoverished nation and many unreached people. They are. And I started weeping and crying for the souls of Burundi. And it started stirring in me go and get one of our gospel vans we have in Kenya with the team, with the generator of the whole, the whole sound system speakers, et cetera, and traveled down to Burundi and, and just go through all the places you can. And Burundi preaching the gospel, saving as many souls as you can. And this time I flew into Rwanda, stayed with some missionary friends there, and God just downloaded the whole plan.

Russell Abbot (25:38):
And then, you know, God is he’s widest, maybe the right word, God. Sometimes he doesn’t tell you the whole story until you get halfway into it. And when I was in Rwanda, he said, I’m not just sending you to Brenda, you’re going to go to four nations. You’re going to take the van through and to Uganda and to Eastern Congo and to Rwanda and into Burundi. And so I had to set up all of these ministry. I hate to go to various churches and all of these nations beforehand and set up these ministry times, we’d spend a week in each church and we spent 10 weeks on the road with my evangelism team, having the most fantastic, craziest, exhausting time of our lives. Staying in little broken down and guest houses, et cetera, and rising up early, going having two to three or four Vince per day, preaching in the market.

Russell Abbot (26:37):
Places preaching in the schools, preaching on the side of the village hill, sitting up the Jesus movie at night out there, especially in the nations of Burundi and Rwanda that dense most densely populated nations in Africa. When you sit up the Jesus movie, it is the light shine on the hill. There can be just like 20 or 30 people you start with. Then you can get up to over a thousand. People have seen that and come and see what’s happening here. And so within 10 weeks just preaching these little meetings. We had over 50,000 decisions for Christ. Wow, God give me the goal to pray for and believe for. And it’s like we pushed and I pushed my team at our one stage. They all abandoned me and went back to Kenya. I was lifted on my own with a whole big bowl of, to pay God just just went back to the, to the floor, praying, okay, God, what now they say, they’re going to arrest me if I don’t get somebody.

Russell Abbot (27:36):
So, and God sent me the money. God gave me a new vision, how to work. My, my one coordinator from one that came back and we put together a plan and we finished and a power and authority. And we, we saw those over 50,000 souls and that was already a life transforming time. And it was after that is when I started praying. Maybe I should settle in east Africa and through a series of themes, God confirmed that I came in 2012 at the end and started working there just on a very low level preaching on the ground and little marketplaces and gathering people soon heard of, as people said, can you sit up crusades for us? So then we started getting a bit of money. We’d build some little wooden crusades for a couple of hundred stages for a couple of hundred dollars and have a rickety sound system we’d hired.

Russell Abbot (28:31):
And it just got bigger and bigger until we were using some of the biggest stages there in east Africa, we did the capital of Burundi and the end with my cross, the president’s wife came, brought all of her, you know, soldiers and securities. And she spoken, preached from the stage. It was broadcast right across the nation on national TV. That was one of our highlights. We’ve done other major cities with even larger crusades in Rwanda and also down in Tanzania. And so, so now a few years later, it’s like hundreds, hundreds of thousands of souls have been reached and a few, few, very large crusades, quite a few mediums and still a lot, still a lot of small village crusades, hundreds of them really

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:29):
That’s wonderful that God has given you such tremendous fruit and all started from the one foot high rickety stage with handrails. And now

Russell Abbot (29:39):
God was my first where I was the star billing preacher. And yeah, it was a requirement.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (29:46):
It wasn’t your last stuck with it and kept

Russell Abbot (29:51):
That taste of preaching from the big stage. Well, I had an Haiti as well and there in Rwanda. And so God was preparing you now. It says, do not despise the day of the small beginning. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:06):
So now you’ve established yourself there in east Africa. You’ve met a beautiful African woman who you asked to be your wife. Tell me about that and tell me about your children.

Russell Abbot (30:21):
Yeah. So for you, young evangelists, ladies and gentlemen, it’s I would just say echoing Kenneth Hagen, pray and obey most simplest keys, just pray, listen to the holy spirit, what he speaks, shows you, and then just go and do it. That is just powerful keys for success right there, but not just keys for success in ministry, you have dreams and your heart vision. Some of them are often connected with a families and children, et cetera, as you pray and obey, God will lead you to your highest destiny. And he will even bring the exact partner and help mate, or husband, whatever for you. And I was all the time being single for so long traveling. And so many nations, many times so lonely on the road. And many times I think it’s time. Lord, I think it’s time. I need my wife. I’ll be much greater traveling round with my partner beside me.

Russell Abbot (31:22):
And as many times I told God that it was time for me to get married and I didn’t hear very much. And when I went and settled there in east Africa, I pretty much given up on marriage and God came and spoke to me. I want you to settle here and not just to settle here and build a ministry, but to find a wife, build a family and she will be your help mate for you. And she she’ll help you with the culture of the people. And God has truly answered my prayers above and beyond. He brought me a beautiful young woman of God who loves Jesus so much. She was a worship leader in a church. He was already ministering with the orphans. She is a powerful and to Cedar, even now when I’m praying, I start to, you know, after a little while, get tired, but she’s still going strong. So I can’t let her beat me. I have to keep praying too. So I think she’s maybe three quarters of the success, plus our supporters and great mentors like Daniel to our ministry. What was it

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:24):
And your children? Tell me, tell me about your children.

Russell Abbot (32:28):
Yeah, we got three beautiful little cuties. They rarely, I think children at that age, they have a ministry in it’s called the ministry of laughter and giggling. When you’re in ministry, sometimes you can get to be a bit serious and thinking and planning and calling and praying about all this stuff. And sometimes, sometimes we need a great sense of humor on the mission field. Sometimes we need to roll around on the floor with our kids, just laughing and giggling and letting them jump on top of us and just have some fun days with the family. So really it’s, it’s brought me back. It’s like, it’s renewing my youth within me. I’ve been on the road for a long time. And now God has given me a beautiful young family and a real, really a blessing. Our little oldest daughter’s called area Anna. She is super smart.

Russell Abbot (33:25):
She speaks three languages. She’s not even five yet. She just, this morning, Daniel, I was talking to, to the mother saline, the international beauty queen. And she was saying, we’ve got a big problem with your daughter, daddy. You know, when they start talking about your daughter, you know, you’re in trouble. Yeah. And she said, you know what? She did. She filled up her school bag with all of his sweaters and shoes. And she took them to the school and she gave them to all the children in the school. And then she took other things, jackets and different things to the family, friends who have a bunch of little children. And she gave them away without telling me to all of those babies and children. And then someone visited him, young little babies and she got her little dollies and she gave her little dolls.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:21):
Wow. It sounds like she has a ministry of clothes distribution.

Russell Abbot (34:26):
She’s got a beautiful, sweet heart. She loves people. And that’s the first time she’s done that. But part of our ministry also in Africa is we try and we go out to the families that are in extreme poverty and we take emergency supplies and food and clothings, and we try and lift them out of that. And then we work over that period of time to where they are self-sustaining and she’s sometimes been with us on those trips. And other times she sees us loading up the car and she’ll say, mommy and daddy, you going to visit the poor people in the visit village again. And so really the whole thing of, you know, not talking is good saying the right things, but living Christ and being Christ is having so much of a powerful effect on the children, around you. And they’re seeing them soybeans things that you don’t even realize and add a little boy, he’s nearly three.

Russell Abbot (35:20):
He’s very smart. He’s kind of shy, but you can see he’s creative. And then our very youngest is just one and a half. And he’s a very tough little guy. He wrestles with his older brother and sometimes he wins and when he was being born myself and mommy and some others, we felt this is going to be a man of authority. He just has a presence and a power to him already. So God is a dream maker and the dream for filler pray and obey every day. Like, you know how I got to this where our ministry now, before hundreds of thousands and seen God fulfill, fulfill that God put on my heart to start ministry and just going out and preaching to my neighbors first. And it was, it completely destroyed my social status in New Zealand to be a Christian as bad, but to be one of these Bible bashing Christians, there, it goes all of your friends.

Russell Abbot (36:21):
And so, but I evade God and I was faithful and not a single neighbor gave their lives to the Lord. Then I started going out on the church evangelism teams, then God would put on me. I read Smith’s walls with book that he made a, he made a vow to God that he would lead at least one soul to Jesus every day. And he was working at time as a plumber. And I’d been in the Lord or quite a while. Then I was back now settled in a city and I sort of led me. I felt stirred in my heart. Let me vowel that are at least maybe I can’t lead them in New Zealand. It’s very rare that someone will give their lives to Jesus on the street, but are at least preach to one or two people every day before I go home.

Russell Abbot (37:04):
And I was faithful to that for years and seen a very little fruit. I was faithful to where God put me into the heavenly calling and serving in the churches and God developed me. And I think he saw that spurt of faithfulness. And it’s like, I have to take this guy somewhere where he can actually bear a lot of fruit for me. You know, I’ve been a fishermen and you can go one place and fish all day long and not catch a single fish. And then you can just move, you know, quarter of a mile, even around the corner by some rocks or something with your boat, throw the anchor out. And you’ve just got the fish, almost jumping in the boat, positioning and seeing where the harvest field is as a powerful. And right now the harvest field is, is hungry and east Africa and other parts of Africa,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (37:54):
Your ministry is doing crusades. You’re graduating Bible school students from Bible schools. You’re planting churches. You’re, you’re ministering to so many people and you’ve been able to do all that with, with very few resources. But if you had more resources, you’d be able to reach more people. And if so, if someone is listening to this and wants to find out more about your ministry, or maybe even support your ministry what’s your website, how can someone find out more about you?

Russell Abbot (38:29):
Okay, thanks for bringing that up. Daniel. Yes. Anyone listening? We need dozens. We can say hundreds. We’re not shy of hundreds of people to come on as monthly supporters, but God has sent me back. No, I live full time. And one, the Africa traveling across Africa, God has sent me back to USA at this time with a mandate to bring on more monthly supporters because he wants us to expand our mission to, to stop working just for my little home office to have a proper offices, to have department leaders. And we’ve been there for nearly 10 years. Now, we have a great level of experience and God is saying, now’s the time to expand and multiply your leadership team. And to be full-time reaching all of these areas to go from the thousands to the hundreds, to even reaching the millions per year. And so we would love for you. We’d be very honored for you to come on board and support us. Our website is advance africa.com and how you spell advance is a D V a N Zed, not C, but we put it with a Zed

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:47):
Z for those of you in America. Okay.

Russell Abbot (39:50):
Z. Yeah. I’m reached where each in all cultures. Thanks. Daniel advance

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:54):
Africa. It’s Z or Zed instead of a skip.

Russell Abbot (39:59):
See a little bit of extra zing Daniel. That’s wonderful. Yeah. Advance africa.com with a Z and on our websites. You’ll see a lot of the different works we do in fact that we need to update that because we’re doing a lot of crusades and larger ones since that time. And we’ve brought on board some more ministries, but you’ll get a good, a taste of our ministry. You’ll be able to see a lot of nice pictures of what we’ve been doing. And there is for those who have PayPal, it’s a very easy to click on that link there, and you can shoot money through to our 5 0 1 C ministry accounts here in USA, where you will get a tax receipt for it. And you can even click make this a recurring monthly payment. And you’ll be set up as one of our monthly supporters. And we will contact. You get to know you we’ll be praying for you daily. And you’ll become part of our African miracle making team. And if I get a chance, I’ll visit you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:04):
That’s awesome. Well, Russell, I’m so delighted to hear about all the fruit that your ministry is producing. It is wonderful to hear about what you’re doing in Africa and the thousands and thousands of lives that you’re impacting there. Thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. Appreciate it.

Russell Abbot (41:26):
And Daniel just so happy and excited to be here. And thank you for being new. You know, when you first came into the Bible school, I thought there was just Billy Graham and a few other evangelists in the world TLS born and Reinhard bond key. And then you come in and you just shook my world. And, and you were very young at that time and young and so passionate and so knowledgeable. And you’d already been over half the world. And I was like, if this young guy, who’s almost like a teenager can be doing that. God, what can I do? So you really helped to just give me even the vision to start believing for these type of things. And not only that you’ve stayed with me all of these years, mentoring and training me, taking me level by level, step up, and God bless you. God, please stay secure in your family. You’re a wonderful example. Wonderful mentor, wonderful friend, just so happy and honored to be here.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (42:32):
Thank you. Thanks so much for listening to the evangelism podcast today, our ministry is supported by people like you, who help us go to the nations to preach the gospel. Our goal is every soul. It only costs us an average of about $1 for every person. We’re able to tell about Jesus. And so could you do me a favor, go to my website, king ministries.com and become a partner with us for as little as $1 a month. You can start to partner with king ministries and help us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Imagine for $1, you can start a party in heaven every single month. So right now, go to king ministries.com and partner with us and help us to preach the gospel to those who need to hear the gospel. The most, the least reach people in the world. Also, I’d like to ask you to go to apple podcasts and give the evangelism podcast a five star review. Your positive review will help other people find this podcast who are excited about evangelism. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (43:52):
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Alejandro Arias | Boy Preacher from Costa Rica Used by God

Alejandro Arias started preaching the Gospel when he was just a boy in Costa Rica. Now he has traveled to 45 nations on five continents and led thousands of people to Jesus. Today he shares the amazing story of what God is doing through his life.

Website: https://alejandroarias.org/home/ 

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Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Alejandro Arias started preaching the gospel when he was just a boy in Costa Rica. Now he’s traveled to 45 nations on five continents and led thousands of people to Jesus. Today. He shares about the amazing story of what God is doing through his life.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:20):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:55):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me, Alejandro RDS. Welcome to the evangelism podcast, my friend.

Alejandro Arias (01:08):
Thank you, Daniel. It is such an honor to be on your podcast and I’m blessed. Thanks for the invitation

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:15):
Start at the beginning. Do you remember how you and I met?

Alejandro Arias (01:21):
Sure. I tell the story to my friends and everyone that knows you and anyone that is acquainted with your ministry that I happened to meet on the road. We met at a very large gathering in Costa Rica. A number of years ago, probably two decades ago. I was 12 years, so, and back then I was just starting the ministry. I was known as the boy preacher in Costa Rica. I had just started and being preaching for a year. The Lord called me at a very young age. And so my, my testimony is quite unusual because I actually happened to, to lead my dad to the Lord when I was 12, he came to one of my camp meetings and he got saved and one of my meetings. So anyway I heard that TL Osborn he was coming to Costa Rica and he was going to be holding a large rally crusade.

Alejandro Arias (02:21):
And he was also going to have a pastors gathering. And so some of my pastors, some of my friends invited me. They said, you should come. You know, at that point I had already read some books. I had already heard some things about Dr. DL Osborn. So I really want it to be there. And it was like a divine connection and I was able to get I think I was sitting in the first row or second row. I don’t remember, but I was, you know, with all the other pastors and I got to meet you there. And I think you grabbed me and you said, would you like to meet TL Osborn or something? Like, I don’t quite remember the details, but I know you took me into this office and TL Osborn was there and it was just you and somebody else. And me and we were just sitting chatting. And then you know, he got to pray for me, pray for both of us. And I think that’s how we got connected.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:18):
That’s such a wonderful story. You’re a 12 years old, you’re already preaching the gospel. You were the boy preacher, and you came to the TL Osborn seminar and what a privilege it was to be prayed for by Dr. TL Osborn. I call him the grandfather of healing crusade evangelism, and he was a great man of God. What did you learn from TL Osborn at the age of 12?

Alejandro Arias (03:49):
His boldness, his tenacity, his, it was a very courageous man. The stories that he shared, the stuff that he went through. And actually one thing that I learned while I was in this and then in the seminar is that he was many years before that and thinking the fifties he was kicked out of Costa Rica. He had a very difficult experience. You know, the government actually deported him because he was doing he was seeing a lot of signs and wonders and they actually accused him of what is that criminal charge back then? It was like, you know, practicing medicine without a license. I think there is a term for that. If you help me with the term. So

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:42):
I don’t remember the term, but I do remember that he was kicked out of Costa Rica back in the 50’s. And when, when he was there, they gave him a pin from the senator’s office in Costa Rica. And I remember him wearing that pin all the time and telling people, this is a pin that only the senators of Costa Rica have. And he was so proud of that pin. Yeah.

Alejandro Arias (05:13):
Yes. And the amazing thing is, you know, he came, he prayed with the pastors you know, there was an act of reconciliation. And I think even there was a prayer of forgiveness. The pastors came together and they basically asked forgiveness to Dr. TL Osborn. It was such a humble moment, you know, when you saw these pastors coming together acknowledging the anointing, honoring the ministry and the legacy and just saying, you know whatever our precedent did back in the forties and the fifties that has nothing to do with what God is doing now. And so we actually felt you know, the past is there felt like there was such a blessing by doing that. It was almost like a prophetic act like an act of a release and reconciliation. And I think that that allowed the next move of God to come even stronger because after his visit, I believe we had some other generals and Benny Hinn came, then others came and then there was an explosion of church growth where God began to move from nationwide and Costa Rica you know, in a greater metal. So we definitely sell revival after that really.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:31):
Now you’re not a boy preacher anymore. Now you are growing up, you have traveled to many different countries around the world and you have grown into a beautiful evangelistic ministry going and preaching the gospel in nations all over the world. Tell me a little bit about how your ministry has developed for you.

Alejandro Arias (06:56):
Yeah. So I’ve been preaching now for 22 years nonstop in 50 nations and it’s been an amazing journey. I never thought I was going to be to all these amazing places around the world. I never thought I was gonna married an Australian, someone from the other side of the world. We actually met I was in Perth on the other side of Australia, was doing some ministry there. And she was Austrian during the one of the meetings. And we met in the meeting and you know, the Lord has actually blessed us. You know, we, we have two beautiful daughters. We have carry out who is eight years old, Celeste was three years old. And one of them was actually born here in Florida where we are living. We, we, we have our ministry based here in Orlando, Florida but to make a long story short, you know, it’s, it’s been God’s grace.

Alejandro Arias (07:55):
I’ve received a lot of prophetic words when I was a little boy that I was gonna go around the world that I was going to preach the gospel to thousands of people that I would actually forget the number of airplanes and airports that I would be that I would go to. And so the, those words have actually come to pass because now if you asked me how many airports have you been to? I tell you, I don’t even know that, you know, and that probably is your experience, you know, once you travel so much and you go to all these different cities, towns, villages, nations everything just becomes a, you know, part of the journey all the highlights, all the miracles and everything that God did, and it’s doing it’s part of the journey. And over the last two decades, I have seen God move in a mighty way you know, in many nations.

Alejandro Arias (08:47):
And so it all started when I was 11 years old and missionary from Venezuela, he was doing an outreach in one of the local parks there in, in the city where I was living Alajuela and Orlando Lopez, right? Yes, that’s right. So he actually gave me the opportunity to preach in, in this rally. And he gave me a new test. I mean, he signed it for me. He gave it to me. It’s like, you know I believe in what you carry, I believe in our calling. And I would love for you to share the gospel. And this is my first time because I had never done it out in public. You know, I had to preach to my friends at school. I had done some, my home groups, cell groups and things like that, you know, but I had never done anything out in, in, in, in the public arena.

Alejandro Arias (09:39):
And so when he gave me that opportunity, obviously I was struck by fear and motion, you know, I was overwhelmed and I’m standing there. I don’t know what to say. And you know, trying I’m trying my best, but I’m having a hard time putting my thoughts together, but then I just looked at it. I felt like the holy spirit just inspired me. I felt like this boost of power. You know, I felt like I was struck by this lightning supernatural force. You know, it was like, God just gave me this boost. And so I began to preach with a bonus that I had not known a bonus that I didn’t have before. And so I preached for like 45 minutes, you know, it was, it was my first time. My first message. I remember my first message was based on Jesus is the way, you know, there was a narrow way in a white path.

Alejandro Arias (10:28):
And so you got to choose what path you need to be on. And so I preached on that message, you know, and seven people came to Jesus as a result of that message and revival broke out, you know, God began to touch a lot of the attendees. P people came forward. I was able to pray for them. It was almost like falling marriage. And it was like, God just decided to push me into the pool. I had no preparation, nothing. Just, God just pushed me, you know into the, this pool of ministry, full immersion. Right. And so I had never been to Bible school. I never been to a ministry school. I was just a church kid. My mom, you know, she had been a believer for a number of years. She came to Christ when I was seven years old.

Alejandro Arias (11:20):
So that’s when I got saved. I came to Christ like two weeks later after she made her decision that I went to a cat meeting. And I just, I remember running to the alter and giving my life to Christ and the preacher gave me a new Testament. And I remember keeping that new Testament, like it was the best treasure, you know, it is. So I remember holding into it. I didn’t want anybody to take it. I was you know, I was beginning to read, so I was reading it little by little and just putting the stories together and learning about Jesus. And I just fell in love. I fell in love with the power of the gospel, with Jesus, with his his power, his persona, everything about him. And so I began to preach in my community, you know, to my friends when I was eight years old, I was tested big time.

Alejandro Arias (12:10):
Cause I was diagnosed with a deadly tumor between my heart and my lungs and the doctors. Back there, they basically gave up on me. They said, I had only, you know, I have two alternatives. One was laser surgery, which was out of our you know, out of our financial reach. And at that point it was new technology and they were only trying it here in the United States, in Miami, in some places. So it was definitely out of reach and the other one was a miracle. So it was basically the number two choice. We had to rely on God for a miracle because that tumor was growing and it was going to it was actually located right in between that there’s an artery that’s right in between your heart and your lungs. And it is a very, you know, important battery. So it was right there and it was growing.

Alejandro Arias (13:03):
And so the doctors basically said, you know, we, we give him a year if he makes it well, that’s good, but you know, you may not make it so they weren’t planning their study and to start talking about chemo and all of that. And so before that, before that went into effect, the Lord actually came through. I began to pray. I begin to pray for three consecutive months and I, I remember receiving a prophetic word. And I remember you know, hearing God speaking through this pastor, this guest speaker again to our church, and God basically said your testimony is going to be known around the world. So I just knew that God was going to heal me. And so I was holding into that word. And next day, I went to see the doctor and, you know, to make a long story short, they, you know, they took an x-ray three hours later.

Alejandro Arias (13:53):
They called me and called my mom. I was with, with my mom. And so they walked us into the doctor’s office and the doctor was speechless. Like, you know, I’m taking your medical file, I’m looking at all the files and looking at the history. And there’s no way for this test to come back, you know, with a different result. And he was astonished, you know, he couldn’t believe it is looking at the test. It’s like, I know what to tell you. All I know is that this is a miracle. So at that moment, I just knew that God had a special destiny for me. And I just devoted my life to preaching the gospel to my friends, to my family members, to people around the community, you know passing out literature. It was my favorite hobby giving out tracks and, you know, talk, talking to people about bowel Jesus.

Alejandro Arias (14:44):
It was my favorite hobby. So that’s what I did. And my dad knew that. And so that’s why he, he, he me to do it and, you know, out in the public and he met this missionary and he happened to have a pile of tracks. And that’s how the conversation that started when the missionary asked him about me and, you know, my story, my dad told him, named the missionary, decided to invite me. And that’s how the Lord just, you know, open a chapter of ministry, which has been a journey, you know, more than 22 years of ministry. That’s when that everything started.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:18):
It sounds like your ministry really got started when you were healed of this tumor that had invaded your body. What role do miracles play in your ministry today?

Alejandro Arias (15:33):
Well, that’s such a good question because I, I believe that is number one and knowing thing you know, I, I love preaching to the loss. I love seeing, you know, the last come to Jesus, but I also love seeing miracles and seeing, you know, the power of God at work. So I started seeing miracles at a very young age. It, you know, I saw the miracle with my with this tumor that disappeared, the Lord just removed that and was gone. And the Lord healed me of all their things like prototype test and chronic asthma and things like that. And at the age of, you know, when I was doing these rallies at the park a lady two weeks into this, came to one of the meetings she heard about the revival meetings. She came forward. And she, you know, she told me what was going on.

Alejandro Arias (16:30):
She had been dealing with cancer with a rare type of cancer. It had invaded her bones. And so she was dying. I mean, she looked like she was almost dead, you know, to be honest, I mean, she was pale. She was really sick. You know, she had the sick look in her face. And so I just had faith and I just laid hands on her. I prayed, you know, rebuke the spirit of death. And two weeks later she came back and she had a, a folder and she was so excited, you know, she was so happy to see me. And, you know, she was almost like, you know, like jumping and with joy. And so she came around and she’s just like, you gotta see this, you gotta see this. And so she told me this story, she was totally cancer-free at that day, when not prayed for her, she received the power of the holy spirit.

Alejandro Arias (17:23):
She was healed. Two weeks later in the, during the period of two weeks, she was experiencing a lot of miracles in her body. And so her body just recovered quickly and the power that God healed, you know, her body and remove the cancer. And two weeks later, she comes back with a medical report she’s cancer free. And so we begin to see a lot of this miracles. You know, a lot of people then brought the sick, you know, the deaf, the blind, you know, with different needs. And we begin to see a mighty move of God. You know, this revival took place right there, right there, out in the public square of five weeks of consecutive meetings every Saturday. And God, we did the roof. I mean, we had young people, kids, you know, families, whole families that would just come and there would be like glued to this you know, evangelistic outreach.

Alejandro Arias (18:16):
And it wouldn’t move. You know, they would stay there because he had no idea. It was so strong. It was like a magnetic field. You know, when the anointing is like that, when it’s moving like that, it becomes like a magnetic field. And so people were just stuck to their seats or wherever they were standing, even taxi drivers would help. They would dump out of their taxi and they would just, you know, listen to the gospel and come forward and receive Christ. It was that kind of annoying thing was very special. They’re unique. And so at the end of the five weeks and missionary, you had to wind up the meetings and he felt he needed to go back to Venezuela, to Euro you know I guess he to take care of some personal affairs and some of his business deals. Anyway, he said he was gonna shut down the meetings.

Alejandro Arias (19:01):
And I was really upset. I was really sad, you know, emotionally distraught. He was like, this is my, you know, my first love. I mean, I’m doing this for five weeks. I’m all excited. I’m building momentum. God is doing amazing things. And then all of a sudden, this missionary tells me he needs to wind up and shut down the meetings. And you know, he’s almost like blessing me and same song, you know, I believe in you keep going. That’s got amazing things for you. I see that your destiny is promising. So he’s almost like, you know, releasing me. And I was really disappointed. Daniel. I went back home. I was really upset, almost mad. You know, I’ve got like, I can’t believe this is happening to me. I’m like eating the best season of my childhood and I’m living my dream. And this missionary is about to shut down the meetings because I was having fun.

Alejandro Arias (19:48):
I mean, I was having a great time. You know, every Saturday seen God move miracle signs and wander salvations. He was awesome. So that night the missionary had a dream and an angel came into his bedroom and spoke to this missionary and basically gave him instructions. You are take care of this young man. You are taken to Venezuela with you. You are pay for his airfare. You are to provide for him while he’s in Venezuela to take care of his food. And all of these expenses does ongoing to give somebody something amazing. And so this missionary, you know, he obeyed in the next few days later, and then the next Saturday or last meeting, he basically had a one-on-one meeting with me and he told me the stream. And he said, oh man, I really feel like you, you need to come with me to Venezuela.

Alejandro Arias (20:42):
I don’t know how this is going to be possible because your dad is not a believer, but we’re going to pray and we’re going to believe God. And so what I told my mom, she was excited, but then she’s like well, you’re a miner and my husband is an unbeliever. So I don’t know how this is going to work, but you know, it had to be God. So when I went to my dad and I approached him and I told him the dream and you know, everything that was going on, I mean, my dad was taking me to these meetings. So he was seeing some of these miracles. He was a firsthand witness. They would actually you know, at the end of the meeting, see what I asked questions to those who received miracles, that he were interrogate people, you know, almost like telling me it’s not real, you know, real miracle.

Alejandro Arias (21:27):
Yeah, exactly. He was so curious and so hungry at the same time, but he couldn’t understand it, you know? And he’s in his mindset as an unbeliever, he was trying to rationalize everything. And so when I told him my dad, my dad just went quiet and we were actually having dinner. And he says, you know what? I ended up, I had a dream last night and I saw something weird. I never dream of airport airplanes, but I just saw you at the airport. And we were saying goodbye to you. You were waiting and you were going somewhere. And so, you know, this is before I even share my dream because I hadn’t, I hadn’t even started, you know, I hadn’t said a word, you know? And so I’m standing there and all I’m like, well, dad, I’m about to tell you something I’m about to tell you.

Alejandro Arias (22:22):
I’m about to share this invitation that I just received it from, you know, our friend Orlando, he wants to take me to Venezuela with him. So my dad is like, well, you know, I, I barely know this guy. I’ve only met him a couple of times, but I believe this, this has gotten, you know, he even said it like, this has gotta be God, you know, he wasn’t a good Catholic, but you know, he, the loader was really working with them. And then he was starting to kind of, you know, come to that realization that there was a supernatural God that something was going on that God really was, you know, doing some things in his life. And so God began to deal with him, you know, and a few weeks later he came to Christ. That’s when I, I actually bothered him to one of my meetings and he got saved, but this is how everything started. It all started in Venezuela, this missionary July 1st, 1999, that was my first international trip. And so I went to Venezuela. I did a bunch of meetings preached the first time, you know, in front of hundreds of people. Then, you know, some Christian radio stations heard that I was in town. They invited me, we, I had interviews, TV interviews. And so everything that I had been prophesied and it, you know, over by different prophets, it all came to pass in one trip.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:52):
That’s tremendous what a tremendous viewpoint you have on what God is doing around the world. You were born in Costa Rica, ministered it all over Latin America. And then you married a wife from Australia. You are living in Orlando, Florida, but working next week over in Africa and doing crusades over there. So with this bird’s eye view of all these different places where God is moving, what are some of the most exciting things that you’ve seen that God is doing right now?

Alejandro Arias (24:35):
Well, I believe this is the best time for return. I mean, I have no doubts that the Lord is about. And then we are leaving in a post pandemic season. There is a great falling away happening, but at the same time, there was a great revival. And it’s kind of you know, is happening side by side. It is a parallel situation where you have God moving around the world and you have God staring up the hearts of the hungry and the thirsty have got awakening, new generation of believers. And you have God even using a nameless and faceless generation. It’s like, God is really doing some amazing things. He’s bringing some people out of you know, out of the cave, you know, and, and putting them out on the spotlight. And so God is really using some amazing voices right now.

Alejandro Arias (25:29):
People that we haven’t heard of people that have never written a book, or they don’t have a website and have a Facebook profile, nothing yet God is doing something in this hour. This, why do you need where God is using a new generation of evangelist? And so I’m excited to see that I’m excited to be part of that because you know, I’ve been doing this for almost, you know, of two decades or more, and it I’ve seen God raise some evangelists and profits, and I’ve seen all their boy preachers, you know, come after me. And, and the Lord has really done amazing things. But what I’m seeing in this hour, it’s like, God has decided to put his foot on the accelerator. And this is revival time. This is harvest time. This is a time where we need to be awake. We need to cease the opportunity that God is giving us.

Alejandro Arias (26:19):
And don’t waste any time, because time is precious. You know, time, I know that we have the same inner ear in America. You know, time is money and, you know, time is equivalent to money. Well, in having time is equivalent to a divine appointment. So we got to seize our opportunities in God, we gotta have a, a kingdom mindset and we gotta use every resource. God has given us to spread the gospel. So that’s what we’re doing. I’m excited. This is the hour for the church. This is the hour where we’re going to see a great awakening among those that are hungry, thirsty, and ready to be used by God. But you also have a great falling away happening too. Where one out of five believers in America. I think that’s what I heard recently. Don’t want to go to church. You know, you have one out of three churches, a lot of churches are shutting down.

Alejandro Arias (27:16):
I mean, a lot of evangelical, a lot of institutionalized churches are shutting down. Like I just I have a friend in a small town out in Iowa, you know, you would probably consider the middle of nowhere, you know, a really small town and the Lutheran church just call him. He’s a senior pastor. He was a pastor of a rather small church. And the pastor called him and said, you know what? We’re about to fold our minister. We’re about to shut down everything. There’s a small group of people that are still wanting to, to meet, but they are actually willing to transition. And if you’re willing to buy this building, this building is a, has been on the market for $500,000, but we’re going to sell it to you for $5,000. So if you’re willing to take this building, we’ll give it to you for $5,000. And we also give you the people. This is the kind of a crazy transactions that we are seeing right now in this hour where God is moving, but in celebrate it, Ray, and he’s awakening the church.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:21):
I think it’s really neat to see how God’s hand has been on you since a very young age in, in my life too. I preached my first sermon when I was six years old, I was called into the ministry when I was five, a prophetess prophesied over me that I was going to be an evangelist. And then at the age of six, I preached my first sermon. And then when I was 10, my parents became missionaries in Mexico. And, and, and so I never had a moment in my life where I back slid or had a time of rebellion. And I think that’s the way God wants it. You know, I, when I share my testimony and say, you know, God’s saved me from a life of alcoholism, God saved me from a life of drug addiction. God saved me from a life of prostitution and theft and a life of murder. You know, God saved me from all that. I never experienced it because ever since I was very young, I’ve been serving God. And it sounds like you’re in the same position. What advice would you give to young people, maybe a child or a teenager, maybe early twenties who feel like they have a call from God on their life? What advice would you give to that young person

Alejandro Arias (29:33):
Pursue the calling? Don’t look back. Believe every prophecy God is giving you, embrace your calling and your destiny, no matter where that takes you. God knows. And he’s got the last word. So pursue your calling and don’t listen to others. Voices. You know, the enemy is going to use a lot of voices to discourage you, to put you down. You know, God’s got amazing things for you. And, you know, I believe in this hour, he’s going to use you. You are needed, your voice is needed. So we need more people like you. And the loan has gone to use millennials generation Z. This is your hour and God’s about to use you big time.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:20):
Another question I have is you really feel like you’re called to be an evangelist. You you’ve really walked in that calling ever since a very young age. And, and nowadays a lot of times when people want to be in ministry, that they immediately think of pastor, okay, I want to be a pastor. And they, they go to school in order to learn how to be a pastor. But you, you have walked in the calling of an evangelist, preaching, the gospel, seeing miracles. What do you think are some of the differences between a calling of an evangelist and maybe some of the other ministry gifts like being a pastor or a teacher in the body of Christ what’s unique about being an evangelist?

Alejandro Arias (31:06):
Well, the unique thing about the evangelistic calling is that, you know, we, we get to share the gospel and we get to take it outside of our local community city nation. We get to take it to the world. You know, that’s a very unique mandate that God has given the evangelist. And I, I believe that you have the evangelistic gifting, you have the evangelistic spirit and even, you know, you know you know, Paul said we, we are all called to evangelize. We’re all called to reach the lost, you know, I think that is the global calling for the body of Christ. Now not everybody’s called to the office of the evangelist, you know, because that’s that’s one of the offices of the five ministries. And so there is a difference between the anointing and the office, and also a difference between the gifting and the office.

Alejandro Arias (32:01):
And then, you know, I have a teaching on this where I break it down, where I actually teach on the spirit and the gifting and the ministry and the office rarely because the office is when he becomes full-time, it becomes your whole life. It becomes your passion. It becomes your, your calling, your primary calling, and you can operate another Colin’s as well. You know, like I can teach, I can prophesize, but I would say my number one calling is a calling of an evangelist. And I love what I’m doing right now. And this is, you know, I can tell you something. I went to Australia recently we, we moved back in 2019 and we had a short season about 10 months during this lockdown in, in 2020, you know, between 2019 and 2020, we were based in Brisbane. And so we experienced the tough lockdown.

Alejandro Arias (32:55):
And so I had the privilege of working with a local church and they actually gave me this role of an associate pastor. And I was enjoying it. I was having a great time, you know, pastoring people getting to work with the local church, doing some of the inner workings of the local church, you know, trying to understand that world and trying to understand how pastors work with our people. And let me tell you something, Danielle I liked it for 10 months, but then after 10 months, I was glad I was out of it. You know, pastors are very, very special people. They have a very special place in my heart, and I can tell you, I just take my hat off to them because what they go through the pressures of ministry that they’re mans the expectations that people have and they place on pastors, you know, is, is unbelievable.

Alejandro Arias (33:50):
So I’m glad that you and I get to just go and share the gospel and we get to, you know inspire a grip and power believers. I’m not saying that our ministries are not challenging at all on the opposite. And you know, our ministries are very challenging, especially when you, we go to places and nations where we have to face witchcraft, where we have to face the monic legions, you know, where we have to face, you know, unbelief, or we have to face unwelcoming spirits, you know there’s some horrible attitudes, you know, I’m sure you’ve dealt with that. I have dealt with bad where pastors and even churches are not very welcoming to the ministry of the evangelists. And so you have to kind of break ground. So every gift has a responsibility and a sign and an anointing. And I think we all need to just learn to recognize or acknowledge honor the different giftings in the body of Christ and the different ministries in the body of Christ. Because just like Paul said, you know, the, the body we’ll work together as one body. You can’t tell your leg, Hey, I don’t need you today. I’m just gonna, you know, I’m going to walk without my legs. That doesn’t work right. You, you need your legs to work. I mean, to walk, you know, so that’s, that’s the thing. We are one body in Christ. And so we need to learn to honor the different giftings too

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (35:10):
Well, Alejandro, I want to say thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast with me, I’m really excited because in a couple of weeks, we will be together on the mission field in the nation of Malawi. We’re both going there to participate in a big festival with Andrew Palau and the global network of evangelists, which is a network of partnering of different evangelists under the, the ministry of Luis Palau, who is a great Hispanic evangelists from Argentina and is now gone on to heaven. But his, his sons, Andrew and Kevin are continuing the ministry and doing a great job. And so I’m very excited to be there in Malawi with you. And I’m expecting God’s going to do tremendous things. And before you even get to Malawi, you’re, you’re going somewhere else. Where, where are you going?

Alejandro Arias (36:05):
I will be in Tanzania. I’ll be doing a GO evangelism conference with Vernon. So yeah, it’s going to be exciting. I’m expecting the Lord is going to do wonderful things.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:17):
That’s wonderful. Well, I look forward to seeing you and again, thank you so much for being on the podcast with me.

Alejandro Arias (36:25):
Thank you. It was an honor. Appreciate it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (36:26):
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Emanuel Rusu | Russian Church Wants to Reach English Speakers

Emanuel Rusu came to the United States from Ukraine as a young boy. Now he pastors a Russian speaking church near Atlanta, Georgia. But his church desires to reach the English speaking people in their community. Today he talks about the transition Living Water church has experienced as they focus more on evangelism.

Website: https://www.mylivingchurch.com 

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Emanuel Rusu came to the United States from Ukraine as a young boy. Now he pastors a Russian speaking church near Atlanta, Georgia, but his church desires to reach the English-speaking people in their community today. He talks about the transition living water church has experienced as they focus more on evangelism.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:22):
Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King we’re Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:58):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited to be with my special guest pastor Emanuel Rusu from the living water church in Buford, Georgia. Thank you so much for being with me.

Emanuel Rusu (01:14):
Well, thank you. It is such a pleasure to hang out with you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:19):
Yeah. So tell me about how you first came to America and then how you became a pastor,

Emanuel Rusu (01:27):
Such an amazing story. So I came as a young boy nine years old and we came as refugees from the former Soviet union. And I came with my family’s believers and we love Jesus. And we came to the United States and the Lord has opened up great opportunities, but that’s the way we came with basically nothing and started from scratch. We came to a place where we didn’t know English, so we started going to a small community language oriented church that spoke only Russian to those people who just came from the former Soviet union.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:15):
And how did you become a pastor? You started out first as a youth pastor and then became an assistant pastor. And now you are pastoring the church.

Emanuel Rusu (02:25):
Yeah. So it’s amazing because I never ever thought that I would be in a place in my life where I would be a senior pastor. So I was, I grew up in a family that, that went to church. That was the thing that you do on Wednesday on, on, on Sunday, on Friday. So really church oriented, but never thought I would be doing ministry. So there was a need at the church where help was needed in the youth department. So went into, became the youth pastor. There was a need in the worship department, so became the worship leader and then a associate pastor. And then the time came where became the senior pastor of the church. So it’s quite quite, quite, quite, quite an exciting journey.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:18):
That’s wonderful. Your, your story is a lot like the story of Obed-Edom. You told me that you’re preaching on him next week. And I wrote a book about Obed-Edom, and he starts out as a gatekeeper. Then he becomes a musician and the temple worship group. Then he becomes a leader in the house of God. And then you see his entire family as serving God. And so God seems to have promoted you as you have been faithful to serve him. So that’s, that’s wonderful as this story of Obed-Edom, and that’s really the story of every great servant of God. They, they don’t start in an amazing place, but as they’re faithful to serve, God begins to promote them. And so God has promoted you. And as you have transitioned into being the pastor of the church, you have changed a little bit of the flavor of the church and you showed me a picture. You showed me a picture of how the church used to be. It used to be with pews and it looked very formal. It was beautiful, but it was formal. And when I preach this morning at the church, it was more of a contemporary setting. You’ve got bright lights, you’ve got the sanctuary darken, so everyone can, can focus on what God is doing in there. What brought you to this place where you thought it was a good idea to transition in the flavor?

Emanuel Rusu (04:39):
Yeah. So throughout throughout just going back to what we were talking about just recently throughout ministering, you know, being faithful in the little things, I just began to notice that the church is not only a place where we come to pray, but it’s so much more, it needs to be so much more. And so as throughout the years, as I noticed that I, it became, became evident that if we don’t have the young generation in the church, then it’ll just become a club of older saints, which has awesome. But we’re you know, one of the things that we’re all about is for the generations. And so we’re thinking ahead, we’re praying ahead. We’re, we’re, we’re planning ahead three to four generations ahead. So our thing is we want to, whatever we do today, it’s to make an impact for the third to the fourth generation ahead and how awesome it is that when, when my great grandchildren are talking, talking to their sons and daughters, if, if the Lord tarries and doesn’t come back soon, they would be talking about their, their great, great grandfather did great-grand great mother that really made an, they were building something that, that, that a foundation was so great that that effected them so far.

Emanuel Rusu (06:06):
I had. So, so we’re, we’re about building something that would affect them. And so the question is, what is it that would affect them so far ahead? What is it that would interest the current generation would interest their, their children. And so we understood that, that that church has to be more than just a place where we learn stories of the past. It has to touch them today. And so we’re about, you know, making it impactful and interesting through media through. And it’s interesting how, when, when, when we started doing what we have with the more modern setting, so many of the kids said, sign me up for the immediate team. I want to be a part of, of music want to be a part. And we record music videos, you know iMusic is a big thing of our, our DNA.

Emanuel Rusu (07:00):
And so it, it really sparked a desire interest in the young generation. And because the young kids are excited, their parents are excited to bring them. And so it just caused this chain effect of, and now the kids tugging at their parents let’s go. We want to be a part. The issue with that we used to have before the remodel and before kind of the new direction was to the members and to the commerce, please help us out. We need help at the church. We need someone to volunteer, you know, do it for the Lord, please, please, please. And now the issue that we have is being creative because so many, there’s so many volunteers that said, sign us up. We want to do something. And so we have to be creative of new ideas, how to bring people, put people in different places of, of, of the ministry so that they would be active. So it’s a great new problem to have, but that, that that’s really at the center focus is, is how do we effect, how do we impact the the generations to come? And so the things that we purchase, the things that we are part of really have that thought pattern, you know, it’s not, how can we have fun today? Which, which is great, but also how can we impact the future generations

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:30):
And another transition? Sorry. That’s wonderful. Another transition that you’re you’re thinking about right now is reaching out to a new language group. So your church historically has been primarily Russian speaking people. You translate all your services into Russian in the churches full of people from Russia, from Ukraine, from Moldova, what other countries are represented?

Emanuel Rusu (09:02):
Well, the mass amount of people is from the former Soviet union. The country that you mentioned was Becca, Stan, Kazakh, Stan. But we understood that the Lord has placed us in this country, in this community, not just for us to be comfortable in a certain culture that we came from or a certain language that is near and dear to us. But we ought to open the doors to, and really come out of the four walls because sometimes the four walls they limit us and, but to come out of, to build beyond the walls. And so we understood if that is our mission, we can’t hold onto a language, right, because the gospel is for, for, for everyone. And so we understood that. And when we said, Hey, we’re for the community, the local community, we we’re, we’re now seeing people that are from, from different backgrounds, whether it’s south America, Asia, the United States Latin, you know, people from, from you know, from that background, Spanish speaking people, American people.

Emanuel Rusu (10:22):
And so we said, okay. So if we continue with, you know preaching in English with a Russian translation, we’re going to hit a certain ceiling. And so we said, okay, so we have to structure ourselves in such a way that we’re still a blessing to the Russian speaking community, but we’re reaching our immediate community that is speaking in English. And so we just had to make some steps that might’ve not been comfortable to us in the beginning, but as, as much as we’re talking about it and making those steps, we’re saying, Lord, this is the right thing. This is your heart. This is what we are have been planted here for, is to, is to preach the gospel to this community that’s around us and also not forgetting the roots. And so we said, okay, we can do both things. We can have a service in Russian. We can have a service in, in English, and we can also have a service in any of the language because we want to make sure that that building is operating to its full capacity. Man, I can be there 24 7. It doesn’t matter, but I want to see the name of Jesus lifted up. I want to see souls being saved. I want to see people being on fire. And so, however God will use us for that. We’re ready.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:40):
And so you have a motto that you are going after people’s families and generations. So we’ve kind of talked about generations and we’ve talked about different peoples talk to me about families, how are you reaching?

Emanuel Rusu (11:53):
So we have different things that we’re a part of. Like we have couples ministry, we have youth ministry just, kick-started a middle school ministry. We have kids choir. We’re about to do go big into different arts for our, our, our young children. And so we really care about the marriage unit where biblical biblical principles in, in, in the family. And so I feel like so many people, it’s a breath of fresh air when they really, really hear someone speaking about the family unit, someone talking about, you know having a strong marriage. And so much of that seeming is lost because, you know the movies and the shows and what we hear on the radio really will have us, you know, believe something else. And so when we begin to talk about, well, what does the word of God says, you know speaking life into family, speaking life, into their marriage, people really begin to respond to that.

Emanuel Rusu (13:02):
And so, and so they, they, they go to a place where they were there, they come alive where they, they, they hear what God has to say about them, what God has to say about their family. And so we see great results in that. And so we’re, we’re basically pouring our time, treasure talent into kids, into marriages, into families because we believe if they’re healthy, if they’re, if they’re you know, coming alive, others around the community, people at work or at, at the grocery store will see something different. Is that is that Eli chef or remembered that that woman saw Elijah walking back and forth and she said, this man is different. And so we, we just, we just want to bring, bring that, that, that life back into the families live back into young people. So on and so forth,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:00):
You invited me here to the church to impart a spirit of evangelism to talk about evangelism. So last night we did a master class talking about different ways of leading people to Jesus. And then this morning, I really focused on being an outreach oriented church instead of inward focus. How do you feel that the, the message was received by your church and how did it speak to where you are at this time?

Emanuel Rusu (14:28):
So some of the things we were talking about before it was, Hey, we can’t live for ourselves. And one thing that you said this morning, which was really powerful about we can be closed off a group of people. We can form a circle and our backs will be facing the world. We be fishermen that never get to fish. And now that that’ll bring frustration inside the church. And so I feel like this is such an important message for every church to be able to to hear. And, and to remember that this is a major calling for the church. You know, you mentioned something this morning that we can have all night prayers. We can pray until we’re blue in the face. We can, you know, we can, we can worship, we can do it, have all of these programs, but if we’re not about souls winning souls, we’re really leaving out a major thing that Jesus spoke to us to do the great commission.

Emanuel Rusu (15:33):
And so I feel like we’re in a part of a, of, of a season where the church needs to turn back to to, to soul winning. I think we it’s really easy to start, really start focusing on yourself again, you know, the different programs, this and that. But if we’re not about winning souls, if we’re not about evangelism, something’s going to be missing and we’re going to be arguing over, like you said, the carpet, the color of the carpet, you know the, the, how loud the music is or whatnot. And, and it, it’s all about soul winning. It’s all about, that’s what Jesus is calling us to do.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:14):
You are in the middle of a building project right now. You’ve bought a beautiful building. It’s absolutely gorgeous, has got lots of room and you’re in a process of, of remodeling it. How do you hope that this building will help you to reach this community?

Emanuel Rusu (16:31):
Uh well the projection of the different organizations that this area that we’re moving into is going to have continual growth for the next, at least 10 years. And so it’s, it’s really strategic for us. Even today, as we were evangelizing at the park, a lot of the people that we prayed over met and spoke to just move from a different part of the country. And and so it’s very strategic for us to be in this place, because even though this is a major area in the Atlanta Metro region, but there’s not that many church churches in this area that are really doing a lot of things to reach other people. So we, we really feel like this has a, a great strategic place for us. And so we’re excited about doing the, the building in, in, in really a great way of building it up, having great visuals and, and, and a beautiful area, but the whole purpose why we are doing that is to bring people into a place where they can see their grow, where they can see themselves grow, where they can see their teenagers and young adults being being able to grow into a individual that they’re, they’re doing the, the purposes and things of God.

Emanuel Rusu (18:07):
So, so just, just I think, I think it bolds down to everything that we do. We want to see people saved, and we want to see people grow into their purpose in the Lord.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:21):
I thought the outreach that your church did tonight was really tremendous. We went to a park right near where your new location is on one side there’s basketball courts. On the other side, there are volleyball courts and it was beautiful weather. So, oh, all the courts were full of people. And so we set up a little sound system, did worship led by Phillip Renner. It was really powerful. And then appreciate a little message. And the many members from the church came out, we were giving away hot dogs and water to people and praying with them. And I think this was just really a tremendous way to involve the church in evangelism. And, and so what are some ideas that you have for reaching out to

Emanuel Rusu (19:08):
The community? Well, the, the park thing is really awesome. We also did things like we went to major and other major park in the Atlanta region where there’s a lot of foot traffic and did something similar as well. So I think it’s very effective. And I can tell you that in, in the very beginning, it feels very scary. So to say, right, you’re unsure, this is something new. I mean, even for me, I’m used to speaking with people, but this, this was a new experience. And it took me like two, three times, and now it’s, it’s so enjoyable. I so want to talk to people because it, it’s amazing to be able to hear their story and say, Hey, I want to pray for you. And the amazing part is they’re really hoping someone, they would meet someone that cares for them that will lead them into you know, prayer or, or it’s, it’s a beautiful thing. When you get to meet people who are willing to pray for you to willing to tell you about Jesus and I, and I think it makes their day. I think it’s such a beautiful thing that the church needs to do more of.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:25):
Amen. Well, pastor is such a privileged privilege to be here with you at your church. I believe that in the years to come, your church is going to grow by leaps and bounds. I pray that God will give you a great harvest of souls here in Georgia and even to other parts of the world. So thank you for being on the evangelism podcast. Thank

Emanuel Rusu (20:47):
You so much for leading that masterclass and preaching such a powerful message, which brings us back into the great commission and what the Lord has sent us to do.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:58):
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Evangelism Podcast Host (22:04):
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Fernando Fleming | Apostolic Leader in the Dominican Republic

Fernando Fleming has organized almost two hundred crusades in the Dominican Republic and Haiti for dozens of evangelists. Today he talks (in Spanish) about what God is doing on the island of Hispaniola in the Caribbean. You will be inspired by his faith and he talks about the miracles he has seen God do.

Connect with Fernando Fleming on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/fernando.fleming 

Visit Resurreccion y Vida church: https://www.facebook.com/Resurreccion-y-Vida-124820804211870

Learn about evangelism from Daniel King, the Evangelism Coach.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):

Fernando Fleming has organized the most 200 crusades in the Dominican Republic and Haiti for dozens of evangelists today, he talks in Spanish about what God is doing on his island. In the Caribbean. You will be inspired by his faith. As he talks about the miracles he has seen God do.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:19):

Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:54):

Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special friend. He’s been a friend for many years for Nando Fleming from Dominican Republic. Thank you for joining me today.

 

Fernando Fleming  (01:17):

[Speaking in Spanish]To have an encounter again with you. Can I make [Speaking in Spanish]Pedro [Speaking in Spanish]remind me that you are a young man, but working with you, man, Microsoft [Speaking in Spanish]passion for the soul and for the nations. [Speaking in Spanish]Every evangelist has to have that passion for the souls into the world to talk about [inaudible]. And even though you’re a young man, [Speaking in Spanish]you have been a big blessing for the world. [Speaking in Spanish] mainly for my nation, the it and hate [Speaking in Spanish]because you can’t [Speaking in Spanish]to ministry. The word meant that we need to solve. And not only you came by yourself, also, you brought the [Speaking in Spanish]to continue going to the Dominican Republic. [Speaking in Spanish]Being a great blessing for [inaudible]. And for me, it’s a pleasure and honor to be with you in this moment.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:25):

I remember the very first crusade that I came to be with you was in Puerto Plata. It was my second crusade. And I still did not know very much about preaching, but you worked very hard and we had a very good crusade there and Porto Plata. Do you remember that?

 

Fernando Fleming  (02:49):

[Speaking in Spanish]Okay. You were coming from Honduras. They didn’t have that crusade over there. [Speaking in Spanish]Got broken. So you remember that you came to Puerto Plata, local mall. And I remember like [Speaking in Spanish]because it was really impactful what God did meet up [Speaking in Spanish]you know, for us to organize that crusade, it was hard for us [Speaking in Spanish]because my guys even were taken to Gale [Speaking in Spanish]the theories from the city gave us the permission for the crusade. [Speaking in Spanish]When they saw how many promotions and posts they saw on the city, no Yamato. Then they called us and they took our permission away. They said we will not permit [inaudible].

 

Fernando Fleming  (03:41):

The entire city is [inaudible]. I didn’t know what to do. No one took him off. We were hauled out. And then my guys and I went to pray [Speaking in Spanish]and they came back to the governor for the seat [Speaking in Spanish]and I said to him, who has invested so much money [Speaking in Spanish]and this is a touristic place. [Speaking in Spanish]These people are going to bring like a group of north American [inaudible]. If I tell them those news, they okay. Know how many they will not come for. [Speaking in Spanish]that’s not going to be good for the [Speaking in Spanish]because it’s a touristic city. Okay. And then he said, okay, then I’m assuming I may have a couple of meetings to jam all a policy called the police charge and lay my guys go out of jail. [Speaking in Spanish]Longer not explaining, well, don’t do anything yet. Wait [Speaking in Spanish]we were just three days away from the, for the crusade, the Birmingham and okay. And then he called me, he said, okay. He, he seemed more like a silo. And then we have the crusade. [Speaking in Spanish]Incredibly [Speaking in Spanish]because [Speaking in Spanish]nobody knew yet. And you were like, yo, man [Speaking in Spanish]were not popular. [Speaking in Spanish]But the people decided to go [Speaking in Spanish]the whole city of port supply. [Speaking in Spanish]Gathering this place. [Speaking in Spanish]And remember that we gave out so many books you send to, to make many books. It don’t say [Speaking in Spanish]and then he was such an amazing [inaudible]. And I don’t know if you remember [Speaking in Spanish]but one of those nights it rained. He [inaudible]. And he was running in the whole seat of [Speaking in Spanish]in the place of the crusade where the people were [Speaking in Spanish]30,000 people and it didn’t rain [inaudible].

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:45):

Yeah, I do remember this miracle. It was raining all over the city and our whole team was praying. We’re praying saying, God, you have to give us good weather. And so the sky opened up above the area of the crusade, everywhere else was raining. And just in the place of the crusade, there was no rain. And we saw so many miracles at that Crusader. I remember there was one boy. He was named Valentino. He was about maybe like eight years old. And he was deaf and dumb. He couldn’t speak, but Jesus healed him. And he came up and began to speak in front of the whole crowd. And everyone was talking because that was a great miracle. And I remember there was another miracle at that crusade. There was a little girl who she had been in an accident and she was in like a wheelchair. She couldn’t walk. And so her mother brought her to the crusade and, and she was not healed the first night, but then she took her home and put the little girl in bed. And then the next morning in the other room, the mother felt a tap on her shoulder. And her little girl had gotten up and walked from her room over. You remember that?

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:57):

She came and brought the testimony

 

Fernando Fleming  (07:01):

To this, to the crusade. [Speaking in Spanish]Again, you guys were not popular preachers [Speaking in Spanish]but it was a risk with you guys and God made it [inaudible]. And then after that, you’ll be perceived. That’s when they saw [Speaking in Spanish]is that where it started? And we made [Speaking in Spanish]and I remember that pastor villager would tell me, look, [Speaking in Spanish]you have learned in this share with others [Speaking in Spanish]and then we have made crusades to other people [Speaking in Spanish]people in the crusades. See?

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:56):

Yeah. And so, since that time, you, you have organized many crusades for, for many of my friends Dr. Jack Myers comes Peter Youngren has been with you. Mike friends seen Billy Joe Doherty. You, you have had so many great evangelists that have come Andrew Palau and the whole Palauan team.

 

Fernando Fleming  (08:18):

Mike May go law. I love him.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:21):

Yeah. And so, so many people have come and, and worked with you. And you’ve been doing crusades in the Dominican side of the island, but also going to the Haiti side, which Dominican and Haiti, they share the same island, but they’re very different. I remember we did a crusade in Cape, Haitian in Haiti and also in one, a men. And it is very different. It’s very difficult. Sometimes working. [inaudible]

 

Fernando Fleming  (08:50):

Really difficult. [Speaking in Spanish]Yeah, [Speaking in Spanish]in Haiti is really, really hard singing. [Speaking in Spanish]However, we were able to see the glory of God. I quit. [Speaking in Spanish]Like when I’m in there, I remember it. For example, in [Speaking in Spanish]the amount of Mirakuru [Speaking in Spanish]we were praying, she lost so much weight. [Speaking in Spanish]Fail, power [inaudible]. And then we also saw in that Tuesday, it was a whole week of crusade [Speaking in Spanish]and people would move to the crusade side. Even to the day of today. I saw somebody on site that was many years ago, pips on, well, even today, they still have the poster of the promotion [Speaking in Spanish]and everything. I go around [Speaking in Spanish]they’re always asking me, you can come in back, [Speaking in Spanish]back there with all the pictures [Speaking in Spanish]but they always remember [Speaking in Spanish]extraordinary. And it’s so good. [Speaking in Spanish]Because that’s what [Speaking in Spanish]glory of God manifested [Speaking in Spanish]makes people to come to the [Speaking in Spanish]and at the end, that’s the goal. God Alma, Barclays win souls for Christ.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:28):

Yeah. I remember one night in, in one, a man, we, we had five nights of services there and on the fourth night was holy spirit night. And so we were praying for people to be filled with the holy spirit. And on that night, a white dove came and flew three times around the crusade, the crusade. And then it perched on the banner behind where the crusade was. And I said, wow, that is amazing. The holy spirit has come Stacy. And, and I remember in Kate patient, when we were in Kate patient, you remember we were in the main Plaza, right in the middle of the city.

 

Fernando Fleming  (11:07):

Remember [Speaking in Spanish]we had so many problems. The crusade was not supposed to be there. [Speaking in Spanish]Soccer, c’mon soccer. The crusade was supposed to be in a soccer stadium. [Speaking in Spanish]But he doesn’t know if [Speaking in Spanish]they took the permission. [Speaking in Spanish]Crusade. They took the permission. [Speaking in Spanish]I told you that because I didn’t like to give back. [Speaking in Spanish]Like to give back [Speaking in Spanish]were saying to us, the whole seed is going to go to the crusade [Speaking in Spanish]and they are going to damage the grass [Speaking in Spanish]and you know, that new grass in the stadium [Speaking in Spanish]and there are 30 said to me, [Speaking in Spanish]for us to be able to have that grass [Speaking in Spanish]we worked for five years. When I say mama, and you in one week, we’re going to destroy. The entire seed is going to go to the number. We want to set up a lot. So we went to the [inaudible],

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:26):

Remember that the, the Archbishop of the Catholic church, he was upset about us being there because it was right in front of the beautiful white cathedral. And so they, they were angry and even on yeah. Radio. And they said

 

Fernando Fleming  (12:40):

That like, that place belongs to them, actually.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:42):

Yeah. And, and, and on the radio, they said, these people that are coming, you don’t go tannic. But every night there were great miracles. Jesus was healing. So many people. And so we would give the testimony, Jesus healed me. My ear was healed. My arm was healed. My I can walk now. And so he, he was listening. And after several days of the crusade, the Archbishop of the Catholic church called us and says, I hear the miracles. I believe this is Jesus. And he says, will you come and pray with me?

 

Fernando Fleming  (13:24):

[Speaking in Spanish]They didn’t want to allow us to be there in front of the Plaza [Speaking in Spanish]shop. And he didn’t want us to be there. [Speaking in Spanish]But the people came, Vino people came ultimately, and again, God glory, if you have wind up on the [Speaking in Spanish]Jesus words, when he does those moments, those moments are going to get there again. This one call you after COVID, we’re going to go back to it.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:58):

Many years ago, one of the people that came with us on the team, they had a prophetic gift and they prophesied over you and said that God is raising you up with an app, historic anointing, the anointing of an apostle for the Dominican Republic. And since that time, you have done crusades across Dominican, across Haiti, you have been on television, you have been on radio. You have a beautiful church that God has given you. And, and, and Barahona, and it is so magnificent to see the influence and the, the blessing that God has given on your menu, even, how am I

 

Fernando Fleming  (14:41):

Going to, let me tell you this [Speaking in Spanish]I knew I was going to [Speaking in Spanish]they’re in my city. [Speaking in Spanish]You spoke about the TV, Canada. [Speaking in Spanish]I used to cover the city of [inaudible], but you know, the Dominican Republic has 33 cities. You’re the boy I went out on the air and then I said, I’m going to see Danielle [Speaking in Spanish]because I want him to be with me and support me in this project. [Speaking in Spanish]Because now our TV challenge is not only for the one city national. Now she, the whole seat Dominican Republic, CC [Speaking in Spanish]has been working. [Speaking in Spanish]Doesn’t have anything with do with [Speaking in Spanish]church has, has grown. [Speaking in Spanish]Has grown in the middle of the pandemic. More [Speaking in Spanish]in the calling of [Speaking in Spanish]in what God has placed in us. [Speaking in Spanish]Believe me. I’m happy. [Speaking in Spanish]Because the only thing that changes, I own a persona, a personal model of being from bad to good is Jesus.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:07):

Amen. Now all these different, great leaders, great evangelists have come and worked with you. What are some of the things that you have learned from these evangelists? I remember one time you told me a lesson from pastor Billy Joe Doherty, and to help me be a better evangelist. Do you remember that?

 

Fernando Fleming  (16:27):

SI SI SI Bina. [Speaking in Spanish]I’ve worked with so many people, emotional number, many men names. [Speaking in Spanish]I will not mention now I say squalor, but that’s cool. You guys pass your calls that at school beat or the Christian center victory Christian center [Speaking in Spanish]is a school [inaudible]. And if we learn from him, [Speaking in Spanish]it’s like getting closer to Jesus and being closer to Jesus for the hemp. For example, [Speaking in Spanish]that passion for the soap. [Speaking in Spanish]Totally feels, he goes faster. Billy y’all transmitted that where the passion for the soul [Speaking in Spanish]humility, humbleness from [inaudible]. He hasn’t seen that in anybody. And I did not. Nobody. I’m gonna have to let me give you a testimony. [inaudible]

 

Fernando Fleming  (17:26):

I was with possibility in Haiti. [Speaking in Spanish]In our, in our, in our city called careful [Speaking in Spanish]mothers in mid persona. And the last night of the crusade, we have more than 100,000 people in your medicine. And I get close to pastor and I told him [Speaking in Spanish]15 minutes. [Speaking in Spanish]We’re going to hand you the microphone. You know, we’re going to worship for 15 minutes because people are here. Ready? [Speaking in Spanish]People came from the miracle. [Speaking in Spanish]We’re going to hand you the microphone. And pastor Billy Joe told me no, no Kim sent me no bill, 15 minutes. [Speaking in Spanish]The preacher of tonight. Maybe also not to me. He gave him his last night [Speaking in Spanish]was a joke. And he said, no [inaudible]. And he ran from him. [inaudible]

 

Fernando Fleming  (18:24):

He kept organizing and you know, keeping attention to the crusade. And he came back to me and he said, you are the preacher [Speaking in Spanish]scripture from the Bible. And preach tonight. He told y’all see your thoughts. And even so I was like this. And then he handed me the microphone [Speaking in Spanish]and I spent seven minutes and after seven minutes I handed him back the microphone. He said, no, no I [inaudible]. Well, I worked with so many preachers. I know that that’s really hard. They’d never give away the microphone [Speaking in Spanish]that I’ve worked with. I can say, look, we got to say it. You’re the one who knows more about crusade. It’s a mental DNA out of a movie. When, and also you have something really good. [Speaking in Spanish]I know so many people have it. [Speaking in Spanish]And it’s that you help others to become great. I can remember. And that’s a huge blessing.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:30):

Amen. Yeah. I remember that. The lesson you taught me from, from possibility to authority. You said that one night possibility Joe was finished preaching. He was ministering to thousands of people. Great miracles. And then when he walked off the platform, there was a lady there who came for prayer and he’s spent time just praying for her spending time with her taking making sure that she was cared for. And you saw me one time. I was preaching. And then when I got off the platform, I run to my car and drive off to the hotel. And you told me, Daniel, you need to spend more time caring for the people. And I always remember that big. And now when I go to a crusade, I always make sure anyone who wants prayer take the time. And because that’s what they’re there for. [inaudible],

 

Fernando Fleming  (20:17):

That’s something that possibly he would pay attention to. [Speaking in Spanish]He wouldn’t run from there. Like if he was an artist, he will go one by one. [Speaking in Spanish]Even sometimes if [Speaking in Spanish]he will leave the area, the state from the [Speaking in Spanish]after everybody would have left already. Yes. I’m willing to put it back. And that’s really [inaudible]. That’s like, that’s why for me, it was a privilege to work with possibility, Joe [inaudible]. That was amazing. When I basically come more, I think sometimes in Haiti [Speaking in Spanish]we will have security guards for him. [Speaking in Spanish]Would call me. He might say, take those people away. And I would say, pastor, I’m sorry. [Speaking in Spanish]They have to be there. That’s okay. And he’ll say, okay. [Speaking in Spanish]And then after we were done, he would say to me, [Speaking in Spanish]your thing. Where are you sure that it was necessary for them to be here? You’ll see. And then I say, yes, pastor. Yes. See, I’m not going to him for the answer. He was such a great experience.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:27):

You’ve done so many crusades, more than a hundred more than you, would you say 200, 200 crusades in Dominican and in Haiti, what do you think the impact of those crusades have, has been, have the churches growing? Has it had an impact on the nation? Okay.

 

 

Fernando Fleming  (21:51):

[Speaking in Spanish]he, hasn’t only been that the churches have grown [Speaking in Spanish]but also the city takes a different attitude. [Speaking in Spanish]Like, if you started like the life of [inaudible], they go to talk to one another and over and over [Speaking in Spanish]because they know what, that, the only thing that changes a city, a country is the gospel [inaudible]. And I think that it’s smart for an evangelist or for the pastor to take territory. I say, go to that country. [Speaking in Spanish]many times it’s necessary. I can be able to pay in order for them to change the [Speaking in Spanish]change. Our country [Speaking in Spanish]change. [Speaking in Spanish]Change the way people will look at the gospel. So that’s like that.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:58):

Sometimes it’s very difficult to organize crusades. What are some of the biggest challenges and problems you’ve faced in organizing crusades

 

Fernando Fleming  (23:09):

May not be like [Speaking in Spanish]he will always be difficult. What? I have brilliant because in my case, [Speaking in Spanish]when the evangelists allow me to have the city for the crusade. [Speaking in Spanish]I go three days to the, to that city. It Camino and I walk around [Speaking in Spanish]and I ain’t checking around what God wants in the moment for the city. [Speaking in Spanish]If it’s a good city, it doesn’t matter. [Speaking in Spanish]I just want to receive the tip from God it’s him. Okay. And then we’ll say, okay, [Speaking in Spanish]that had been to Aquino. And I said, no, not here. [Speaking in Spanish]That’s the first thing we’re looking for God’s direction. And they’ll say, [inaudible], what’s the main challenge or challenge of this [Speaking in Spanish]that it doesn’t rain. We don’t want it to rain. [inaudible]

 

Fernando Fleming  (24:05):

We don’t want it to rain so that people can come to this, to, to the area. However, though, [Speaking in Spanish]we have seen so much rain and get a castle up with the plot. I do. You remember important? The plateau and people stayed there [Speaking in Spanish]once we were in San Francisco with Dr. Jack Myers [Speaking in Spanish]and it rained a lot and people stayed [Speaking in Spanish]with pastor Billy Jo [inaudible], Billy Jo at 7:00 PM. No, I’m hoping that we will not have the crusade today. And he said, why [Speaking in Spanish]because it rained the last few, like [Speaking in Spanish]CDs full of water. [Speaking in Spanish]The place of the crusade. We only have like 50 people in [Speaking in Spanish]and he said to me, no. And he said, if there’s one person I’m going to go to preach. And there were 50 people seeing Metro, like 100 meters. I mean, I don’t know no CMBS until you got a [inaudible].

 

Fernando Fleming  (25:19):

Okay. 100 feet before I Wade from that, from the stage [Speaking in Spanish]couldn’t keep going. So we got off the call [Speaking in Spanish]and the water was covering him, both his knees coming down. And we were walking in the water until we got to the field. [Speaking in Spanish]Five minutes later [Speaking in Spanish]there were more than 7,000 people that live to say equal phenol. And by the end of the [inaudible], the crusade was done with more than 20,000 people. [Speaking in Spanish]in the middle of the rain. So like, our challenge has been rained [Speaking in Spanish]but God is God, he lost it. And he does because of the people

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:07):

See, amen. What are some of the greatest miracles you have seen? What have you seen do

 

Fernando Fleming  (26:14):

Many I’ll help us out again. We’re going to spend the whole day here. [Speaking in Spanish]I’m going to tell you one. That was really impactful for me. [Speaking in Spanish]My fantasy. I ain’t got a nice act to say for my friend sin, E L L [Speaking in Spanish]and the place was full [Speaking in Spanish]and there was an old woman [Speaking in Spanish]with a boy that was around eight years old. He, so I’m walking, I’m walking towards the stage. [Speaking in Spanish]And the woman touched me like this [Speaking in Spanish]we had around 37,000 people in there and she touched me and [Speaking in Spanish]and she said to me, please tell mommy, Nina, take my key. [Speaking in Spanish]Take him to the state. But I kill all that. So that he prays for angel [inaudible]. You know, that boy was born blind. He had a Nino and the boy [Speaking in Spanish]when he’s, when she finished telling pass dad, and then they blow was touching her over there. No, mommy you’re well, no, mom. I see now, but then my first time he had seen his mother. No, mommy, you will. He was stuck her and saying, no, mom, I see you Yulia. And pastor said, this is incredible. The God [inaudible].

 

Fernando Fleming  (27:39):

And I’ve seen so many [Speaking in Spanish]with pastor Billy Jo homing. There was a young woman Benia she was coming. He’d been on about the forest. He came to the state testimony to give her testimony. [Speaking in Spanish]Went through the depression [Speaking in Spanish]she was walking on the, on the seat of [Speaking in Spanish]and she decided to commit suicide. Y’all hit me with the mother. She said, today’s my last day [inaudible]. And she ran out to take her, take her life flyer. And she found a flyer [Speaking in Spanish]victory for Santiago. And she’s looking at the flyer. And he said, [Speaking in Spanish]victory for Santiago. She kept reading the flyer [Speaking in Spanish]and she said, I’m gonna wait either way, put that on your plate. And then I’m going to go to night for the crusade [Speaking in Spanish]and she went to the crusade, Evie also testimonial. And she gave her a test. She will say yes. And that’s the best miracle. Wow.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:38):

Amen. That’s amazing. God did so many miracles. Well, I am so grateful to know you. It is an honor to have you as a friend, God has raised you up as an apostolic leader in Dominican Republic. And I believe that God will give you the entire nation for Jesus. And I think this, this next stage where you are taking the television channel across the entire country, God will give you a voice. And thousands of people will come into the kingdom of God. And so thank you very much for being on the evangelism podcast with me.

 

Fernando Fleming  (29:17):

Okay. [Speaking in Spanish]Thank you. Then. I would like [Speaking in Spanish]but thank you. I want to say something to you then when I say I need that, I have an old woman [Speaking in Spanish]that I’ve known him for almost 26 years. So, nah, see I’m a board teacher. Her name is [Speaking in Spanish]and we were, I said, [Speaking in Spanish]you are [inaudible]. And when I heard that from her, she’s an old lady [Speaking in Spanish]I said, that’s what makes the difference. [Speaking in Spanish]In this dirt, like integrity. [Speaking in Spanish]For me, for me, it’s an honor to be your friend Siegel. I follow, I follow everything you do. And I think I, for your life [Speaking in Spanish]family, I have blessed you come with them and how good it is. Thank you, Daniel. Thank you so much. God bless you.

 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:20):

Thanks for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me, to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor, go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast. A review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

 

Evangelism Podcast Host (31:24):

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Josh & Esme Haver | Faithful Youth Pastor Becomes Missionary

Josh Haver was a youth pastor in Austin, Texas and God spoke to him about becoming a missionary. He moved to Mexico and now he is married to Esme. Together they help run a Bible school and do soul winning invasions across Mexico.

Website: https://www.vcharvesters.org/

Check out The Evangelism Podcast with Evangelism Coach Daniel King.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Josh Haver was a youth pastor in Austin, Texas, and God spoke to him about becoming a missionary. He moved to Mexico and now he is married to Esme. Together, they help run a Bible school and do soul winning invasions across Mexico.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:16):
Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King. Welcome to the evangelism podcast.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:54):
I’m Daniel King. And today I have some special guests, Josh and Esmerelda Haver our missionaries in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, right across the border from Laredo, Texas, and they are with Victorious Christian Harvesters, the ministry of David and Donna Blanchard. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Josh Haver (01:19):
Thank you, Daniel. It’s a honor, a pleasure for us to be here with you and getting to know you a little bit and, and we just know that God is good.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:27):
Amen. I really want to hear some about your journey about how you became a missionary, because I remember that you used to be one of the youth leaders at victory Christian Church in Austin, Texas under Lee and Sue boss there. And now you’ve made your way to the mission field. How did that happen?

Josh Haver (01:49):
It really started in prayer. I just remember one time I was in prayer and I was in prayer for the youth group going back farther, even than that, I had always enjoyed missions. And so when pastor Lee boss in probably 2002, 2003 sat down with me and, and mentioned that he felt that it was time for me to come and be a part of the staff at the church there, his youth pastor. He also knew that one of my passions was missions. And so part of the deal was, yes, I’ll be a youth pastor, but I get to take the church on mission trips at least once a year. And so one of the very first mission trips I ever took, actually, the first I took as the youth pastor was in November of 2003. And we went down to the Bible school and, and just served in Nuevo Laredo, doing evangelism and the plazas there, painting P whole lot of painting, painting churches, painting benches, painting stairs.

Josh Haver (02:46):
And and that was my first, actually the first time that I was down in Nueva Laredo, fast forwarding a few years I was in prayer one evening just covering the youth in prayer as a youth pastor. There’s a whole lot of prayer that needs to take place. And in the middle of prayer, I just felt the holy spirit. I literally just felt him. It was so strong. It wasn’t an audible voice, but it’s so strong inside of me that I say the Lord spoke to me. And he said, it is time for you now to go and missions and I will supply all of your needs. And so as a, as a good, good pastor and a good believer, I was like, yeah, whatever, you know, I’m a youth pastor high have a focus here. And so I tried to ignore that and it probably went through about six months of just in worship and in prayer every time I was, you know, trying to seek the Lord, that just came back to me.

Josh Haver (03:34):
And so finally I just said, okay, Lord, here’s the deal. I will go and tell my pastor that this is what I feel. And when he tells me no, because I’m so involved in so many different things, he’s going to tell me no. So when he tells me no, then I will say, Lord, I’m sorry. I have to be my pastor. And so I went in, I remember I spoke with pastor Lee and I said, you know, pastor, this is, which is what I feeling. But I would really like you and pastor Sue to pray about it. And he was just like, wow, well, we’ll pray about that. And we’ll, we’ll get back with you. And, and then about two days later, he called me into his office. He said, yeah, John, yep. Josh, you’re going to the missions field. Where are you going?

Josh Haver (04:12):
And my response honestly, was pastor, I thought you were going to say no. So I haven’t even thought about where I’m going. He said, well, what about David down in Nuevo Laredo? You know them, okay. He said, let me give him a call. And, and, and that was probably around March of 2007 and April, 2007. I drove down with a couple of people to go to the graduation of the Bible school to try to feel it out a little bit. And then in may I moved down to Nueva Laredo. I moved down there for, for a couple of years and 15 years later with, for those couple of years, they’re just keeping on rolling. And so when I was down there then is when I began to work with the youth and the Colonia, the neighborhood that we were in, my wife Esmerelda at the time, wasn’t my wife, but she had found that a mission for the youth there. And so since I was just trying to learn Spanish and she spoke a little bit of English, we started working together and, and lo and behold, God opened up my eyes. And I saw that she was the one that he had prepared for me. And then just little by little, just trying to serve where, where God opened up the doors and, you know, and he’s opened up the doors

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:23):
And now you have three beautiful children. And it’s so important that to know that God doesn’t just call individuals, he calls families. Right. And so you are ministering alongside your husband and also raising the children. Talk to me about your romance and how God has put you together and how you work together in ministry. And so now you are directing the Bible school with a victorious Christian harvesters, and you have students that come from across Mexico to be trained. Tell me about the Bible school and what you are trying to impart into the students.

Josh Haver (08:08):
It’s okay. If I can go back to one thing that she said real quick, and then, and then I’ll jump right into the Bible school. I believe it’s so important, you know, God, God calls people, but yet when he looks at a couple, he says that’s one flesh. And so one of the things this summer we’ve had the opportunity to travel quite a bit and minister together. And one of the things I’ve realized is in ministry and in, in, in the service of the Lord, when you put yourself along somebody, the grace that they carry overflows onto you. And so working as a couple, it’s one of the things that I’ve realized, you know, my wife has an amazing grace to flow in the prophetic, and yet as I’m ministering alongside of her, that grace of the prophetic begins to flow through me as well.

Josh Haver (08:58):
And then vice versa, you know, the pastoral or the teacher, you know, annointing that, that I believe God’s placed on my life as she’s administering alongside of me. She begins to operate in a little bit of that grace as well. And so it’s, it’s, it’s so important as a, as a husband and wife, especially, but then as the family, cause the children participate to understand the graces that each one have and allow them to flow in that grace, that grace, but then being willing to receive from that grace as well and say, okay, Lord, I can honor, and I can respect the grace that you’ve put in her life, but I also want to flow in that as well because I’m ministering alongside of her. So that’s just been a blessing to work with, as you mentioned we are now the directors of a Bible school that was founded 20 years ago.

Josh Haver (09:45):
Actually, this September was the very first, the doors were opened on September 11th, 2001. David and Donna Blanchard and, and through Victorious Christian Harvesters, they planted the Institute international. They call such a daughter’s international harvesters Institute. And it, it was founded from a vision that God gave David of, of raising up leaders and ministers to destroy the works of the devil. Jesus said, I’m here to destroy the works of the devil. So therefore we are here to destroy the works of the devil. And so we have ministers, future ministers from all over Mexico that come to receive training. And, and, and what we believe is it’s not enough to receive head knowledge. We want you to take that head knowledge and put it into practice because then it becomes real knowledge and wisdom and understanding. And so our students now like come and they have classes throughout the day, but then they have practice in the afternoons and the evenings this last year, the Lord has opened up the ability for us to, well, because they closed all the other doors through the co the Corona virus pandemic.

Josh Haver (10:52):
We know that God doesn’t close doors. And then, and then leave you shut in. He opens doors. So the doors were opened up in our community to go door to door, like never before. And so our students started participating with several of our staff members, going door to door, knocking on the doors, evangelizing and witnessing, but then saying, would you like us to come and start at a Seipel ship in your house with your family? Would you like us to come and start church with you? And so our students were a part of evangelizing, but then discipling and raising up churches within the community. And that started last September when October opened up and, and with there began to be a few less restrictions. We were able to code to those same people and say, Hey, now come be a part of a larger community.

Josh Haver (11:37):
What we’ve seen God do this last year over 80 homes have opened up in the community around us, where our students are participating with the staff. They’re going to class in the morning, but in the afternoon, they’re putting into practice. We have children’s missions where we send children’s ministry to the homes. We have discipleship families where the cycle, where the church they’re having church in the homes. And so the heartbeat of what we’re seeing now is, is that our students will raise, be raised up with a mindset. We have to win the lost, but not just have to win the loss, but now we have to take care of the lost. And so this summer, as I was traveling and ministering with, with pastors and leaders in several different regions of Mexico, one of my encouragements to them was as a pastor, look for the gifts that God has placed in the people in your congregation.

Josh Haver (12:29):
And if you say that person is called to be a pastor, send them to us because we want to raise them up to be a pastor that has a passion for winning the lost, but also has a passion for caring and edifying and equipping the believers so that they can now go and win the lost. And so in our Bible school, it’s we’re online. We’re in zoom where we have students that come and take classes with us. But really, I would say that the nucleus, the nucleus of, of, of our students are the ones that are the interns that live there. And they have a schedule from five 30 in the morning, till 10 30 or 11 o’clock at night, but it’s a schedule of learning and being trained, putting it into practice. We have pastors in the dorms that then help them walk through the situations that rise up. And so it’s a, it’s an interesting, it’s a, it’s a humbling ministry, but it’s great as well because you’re seeing people being trained to be who God called them to be.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:28):
I’m so impressed with your story of how you went from being a youth pastor to being a successful missionary. What advice would you give to someone who thinks maybe they’re called to missions, but don’t quite know what to do or how to make that come to pass?

Josh Haver (13:46):
What advice would you give him? The biggest thing I would say is get on your face and just listen. One of the things that probably has carried me the most is when I go back to, when I first heard the holy spirit speak, he said, Josh, it is time for you to go into missions and I will supply your needs. And so, you know, the, I started out, I’d joke around. I said, my, my support base has grown kingdom style since I started. And I started with this amount of supporters, and now I have this amount of supporters, but also in that time, I’ve gotten married and had three children, but God said I will supply all your needs. So honestly, that, that has never been a worry, there’s been times where I’ve questioned, but I always go back to that. I said, but God, you said, so you know what? I’m not going to worry about it. So I would have to say that the key is make sure that you know, that the holy spirit said do this and then trust him because if he said it, then he will do it. So on your face before God not looking for your looking for his ideas.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:54):
Amen. Well, let’s finish by praying for Mexico to be saved Esmerelda would you lead us in a prayer for the people of Mexico to come to Jesus?

Esme Haver (15:09):
Praying in Spanish

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:32):
Oh, man. Well, thank you so much for being on the evangelism Podcast…

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:41):
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David & Donna Blanchard | One Million Bibles for One Million Souls

David & Donna Blanchard set a goal to give one million Bibles to one million souls. After years of doing evangelism invasions across Mexico they have now completed that goal and their new goal is 10 million Bibles for 10 million souls. They have enormous passion for reaching the lost.

David Blanchard, president and founder of VCH, received a vision from the Lord while in a prayer meeting in 1990. He saw the country of Mexico covered with ocean waves. When the waves receded, they left big black Bibles with gold crosses on them. In this vision, God spoke to David telling him to get His Word out “for it will not return to Me empty or void without accomplishing what I’ve sent it forth to do.”

“How many BIBLES do you want me to get out, Lord?” David asked.

“How many SOULS do you want to see saved?” was God’s reply.

David answered, “The whole nation of Mexico!”

“Me too,” said God, “But how many souls do you want to be responsible for?”

“I’m not Dr. Billy Graham nor Dr. T.L. Osborn,” David said, “I’m just meBut I want to see a million souls come to know You.”

“Then,” God commissioned David, “Get One Million BIBLES for One Million SOULS .”

Thus the vision for Victorious Christian Harvesters was born – One Million Bibles/One Million Souls.

Visit David & Donna Blanchard’s Website: https://www.vcharvesters.org/

If you are excited about soul winning, call: The Evangelism Coach, Daniel King at 1-877-431-4276.

Transcript:

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
David and Donna Blanchard set a goal to give 1 million Bibles to 1 million souls. After years of doing evangelism invasions across Mexico, they have now completed that goal. And their new goal is to give 10 million Bibles to 10 million souls. They have enormous passion for reaching the lost

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:23):
Well, Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:59):
Welcome to the evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King. And I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. And today we have very special guests with us, David and Donna Blanchard from Mexico. Welcome, and thank you for joining me. [inaudible],

David Blanchard (01:18):
We’re very happy to be here today and we’re excited to be here with you all. Well,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:22):
David and Donna Blanchard have been missionaries for many years and really have a passion for soul-winning telling people about Jesus. Tell me, how did you first go to the mission field?

David Blanchard (01:35):
Well, back in in fifth grade, actually, I started doing I had Spanish in school and so I w we had this reel-to-reel cassette tapes and we’re learning Spanish Imani Mondo on his time on, but Beto Beto Benecchi Maria don’t ever. And so we had all that. And so anyway, it was something that seed was sown in my heart back then and for Mexico. And then we would go to California on our vacations and take trips. And then we would always go see over to Tijuana, Mexico from California. And, but there’s something that was just in me that I loved about Mexico. And then in 1979, I graduated from Colorado state university with my animal science degree in pre-veterinary medicine. I studied to be a veterinarian but in my heart, I really wanted to be a missionary at the same time.

David Blanchard (02:27):
And so I got involved with an organization called youth for Christ campus life, and we began working with teenagers. And as we begin working with teenagers, I met Donna in Kansas. We were in Emporia, Kansas, and that she’s in garden city, Kansas. And so we met there and and got married in 1982. And God began to work in a, in a great way as we began to take teenagers on mission trips. And so we started taking them to the mission field. We went to India, we went to Mexico and started doing different trips. God began to move in a great way, and it was very exciting to see what God began to do. And the missionary in Mexico, they were working with said, when are you going to move down here? And we said, well, work, we’ll be back here next year. He said, no. When are you going to move down here? And so we prayed about it and sock God and sought the Lord. And so in 1986, we moved from Emporia, Kansas, where we were executive directors of youth for Christ campus life. And we moved to Nueva radio, Mexico and began full-time mission work.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:31):
So your base is now they’re in Nuevo Laredo. And tell me some of the ministry Ms. Donna, that you guys are doing from that place.

Donna Blanchard (03:43):
Well, actually there’s a lot of ministry that takes place. And just for the record, it’s always starts out small. So don’t be discouraged if you’re doing something. And I mean, it was just me and my husband and our, at that time two daughters. And then we had our son while we were down the mission field. So it starts small at use what you have use your family and you can grow in it. So then when we first moved down we were working with another ministry for six years and we just, whatever they needed us to do, that’s what we did. But then in 1992, when we received the vision for victorious Christian harvesters at that time we decided, okay, God as we branch out and do what the Lord wants us to do you just start where you’re at. So we started out, we planted churches, we had mission teams that came down from all over the United States, worked with your parents a lot to junior high teams that would call us.

Donna Blanchard (04:36):
We would send them to your, your ministry with the Kings because you guys were amazing. And we knew you did great work with junior highers. And, and then we also did other high school and junior high and, and, and even some grade school teams, but anyway, what we do now 28 years later, Zell VCH is right. Are we 28, 30 years? I’ll be on my word 30 years. We were still expanding you know, don’t despise the small beginnings cause right now we w our staff and some of our students will go, yeah, but you’re doing all this great stuff and look how many people you’ll have to help you. And so when we started out, it was me and my husband, our three children, and we did it all. We hosted a hundred team a hundred member teams, and we would put the teams to work. And so basically right now we have a Bible school in Nuevo Laredo. We have students that come from all over the nation of Mexico and we’re raising them up to go back home and bless their, their churches that they’ve come out of and teaching them how to multiply our number. One thing, if you would want to know what we’re really known for, I would say it’s evangelism. We eat live, breathe. Anything that moves, we witness to it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:50):
Well, you’re on the right podcast, the evangelism podcasts, or we love evangelism, anything that is going after souls and leading people to Jesus. I remember hearing your vision and it inspired me many years ago, 1 million Bibles for 1 million souls. And I think you’ve completed that now. Tell, tell me about that, that vision.

David Blanchard (06:12):
So we were I was out we were with a group of missionaries, the one that we joined up with first in Mexico that asked us to come down to Laredo, Texas. And and, and so we, in a prayer meeting while we were praying Daniel, God showed me a vision of all of Mexico covered with ocean waves. When the ocean waves left, the dentally white foam, like on the beaches of Acapulco, Cancun, Matson lawn, and left big black Bibles with gold crosses on it all over the country. And God said, get my word out because we won’t return empty or void without accomplishing what I sent him for it to do. And I say, God, well, how many Bibles you want me to get out? He said, how many souls do you want to see saved? I said, well, I’m not Billy Graham. I’m not till I was born.

David Blanchard (06:53):
I’m just me, David Blanchard, but I want to believe for a million souls. Then he said, they’d get a million Bibles for a million souls. And that became the goal of victorious Christian harvesters in 1992. And so then we started out we had we became pastors of a church in leveled, righto, and 99. We started building our Bible school and then we started doing evangelism seminars. We were training up nationals to to be pastors, evangelists, missionaries teachers, preachers. And so we had a two-year Bible school. And so we’re training up all these evangelists and ministers, how to do all that and doing evangelism seminars. And then one of our staff in Mexico city said, why don’t you, why don’t we invite many churches to be involved in this evangelism seminars that we’re holding? And so in 2010, we started a program called invasions and invasions. The, the cartels in Mexico have been invading the country, the city for many, many years. And so he said, let’s get the body of Christ to rise up, come together, train them in evangelism methods and techniques and form evangelism teams, and then blitz the city, invade the city with the gospel of Jesus Christ. So that’s what we started doing back in 2010. And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:15):
So now you’ve gone to many different cities across Mexico doing these invasions. What type of results have you seen

David Blanchard (08:25):
When in 104 cities, major cities throughout Mexico, and even in El Salvador. And it’s been incredible because our evangelism through the crusades and different things like that, where we’re, we’re good. But when you capacitate, when you get a, equip the body of Christ to get ready, to win souls and teach him three days, we did three days of methods and techniques formed evangelism teams. And then we went out and blitz. The city with the gospel for three days, came back together and everybody’s shared the results or testimonies, what happened. And then they do the followup. Each church. It was phenomenal because we have trained over 5,000. I think it’s about 5,548 different churches throughout Mexico. And we’ve actually seen, I believe it’s 40,000, over 40,000, like 44,000 church members that have been trained how to win souls effectively. And so what’s happened is that exponentially took us to our first goal of a million Bibles for a million souls. And we reached that in August of 2016.

Donna Blanchard (09:37):
And another very encouraging thing about this training is that there are so many people, we all Alaska at the beginning, how many of you have never led one person to the Lord? All these hands go up, Christians that have been in a church. So when you see these pictures that we have all these mass groups of pictures, people, oh, is this the people you got saved? No, these are the people we trained, but then on Saturday, how many of you lead somebody to the Lord for the first time hands go up? And they’re just super excited. And then Daniel, we not only do the training Monday, we teach them how to actually we speak on breaking their heart for the lost cause if you don’t know where the destination of the lost is, you won’t have a passion to win them. And then the second day, of course, we need the empowerment of the holy spirit.

Donna Blanchard (10:18):
So the second evening we teach on the empowerment of the Holy Spirit. They get filled with the Holy Spirit. I mean, we have all denominations together, Wednesday, we commission them and then we say, you’re going to go out and do these great things for God. And we don’t pray over anything that looks sick and walks around needs. Jesus, tell them every plant, tell everybody that you meet about the Lord. And then when we’re done, we partner with them. We not only give them the tracks, the new testaments and Bibles, while we’re there, we make a covenant with them. If they want to continue to go out these 5,000, over 5,000 churches, we say, we a partner with you. If you still send out your teams, because everybody we trained in those invasions becomes their church evangelism team. And if they want to continue to go out, all they have to do is send us a report. We did this event, we held this month, we witnessed to this many people. We had this many children. If they get people that, that become born again, we have a new Testament for them. After they get baptized, they get a full Bible. We give them follow-up material and we continue the fellowship with them. And we still continue to get results from them. They, they let us know what they’re continuing to do long after we’re gone. So, so what do you say

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:25):
To these church members to inspire them to be soul-winners? Cause I find that sometimes church people that they, they know that Jesus called them to be soul-winners, but they’re content to just sit in the sea on a Sunday morning and they’re not really doing anything. So what do you say to them to inspire them to go out and lead people to Jesus?

David Blanchard (11:46):
Like Donna said the first night, we’re talking about the heartbeat of God. What is the of God? And so, you know the disciple, John, he leaned back on Jesus’ chest and he had his head up against the chest of Jesus at a dinner. And, and what did he hear? He heard the heartbeat of God. What is the heartbeat of Jesus? The heartbeat is Jesus is that none would perish and all would be saved. And that is what the great commission is all about. Go and make disciples of all the nations, teach them that none would perish, that all would be saved. And so that is what we, we impart into the congregation of every church member, because we desire for them to realize, Hey, what is God’s heart about? Why did God even sent Jesus to the earth? Jesus came to the earth so that none would be lost, but all would be saved that they would come to know him as their Lord and savior.

David Blanchard (12:49):
And so we inspire them that this is the heartbeat of God. And God is in you. The spirit of God is spirit of Christ is in you. And that, and that, that urge is inside of you. That anointing is inside of you. That spirit Christ spirit is inside of you. And what is it saying, tell your brother, tell your sister, tell your family member, tell your friends, God has a better place. God doesn’t send anyone to hell. That’s your choice. God made hell for the demons and his aim and that the fallen angels and the devil. But if we don’t, if we don’t choose God, we’re going to hell. So we’re teaching on the heartbeat of God, that compassion of God, that what, what is, what is God’s heart all about? And when they get that, when they understand that you know what that is, and you do, you want your friend to be with you in heaven forever. Do you want your friend to live with you forever? Well, you know, together with your relative or whoever, it may be. That’s God’s heartbeat. God’s heartbeat is that none would perish that all would be saved. And that’s what’s inside of you, his spirits inside of you.

Donna Blanchard (13:59):
And on top of that, we also teach them how simple it is to open a conversation that I think that’s the biggest thing. Everybody wants to lead someone to the Lord. Yeah. I want to be a soul winner, but what do I say? How do I start a conversation? That’s what we teach them during the day, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, different techniques. When you’re on the bus, how do you start a conversation? When you’re on the plane, how do you start a conversation? How do you witness to a Catholic? How do you witness to a Buddhist? How do you witness to a Muslim so that whoever they encounter? And we also teach them that there’s four words that we want them to remember. It’s plan, problem, solution decision. If you keep this in your head, no matter what you use, your personal testimony, everybody’s got a testimony.

Donna Blanchard (14:39):
There’s no more powerful testimony to when someone to the Lord, except for how he saved you. How did you come to the Lord? So plan God has a great plan for people. Problem. We’re separated from God, but there is a solution and that his name is Jesus. And so you, you can put your testimony in, I didn’t know God had a purpose for my life. I was a drunk. I was this. I was a prostitute or I was just out there. I was a religious person. I went to church all the time, but I didn’t know God had a plan for me. But then the problem is, wait a minute, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I’ve got to do something. It’s gotta be personal to me. And then solution is Jesus. So you present, this is how I got out of this mess that I was in.

Donna Blanchard (15:17):
And then then, then, then the decision you always close the deal. That’s one of the things we teach in this seminar, you witness, but you always close the deal. And we also take times to be teach them how to be led by the spirit. We’ll even do it during the seminar, after they’d been filled with the spirit on Tuesday, we’ll say, okay, now we’re going to ask God to give us a word for the persons, right beside you, that you don’t know right here in the seminar. It’s comfortable. These are all church people. And so then when they say, okay, I heard this word, just give it to that person. And then say, after you give it to him, I feel like the Lord wanted me to tell you that you should be more encouraged at what you’re doing. You’re doing a good word.

Donna Blanchard (15:51):
I always feel terrible about what I do. See you heard from God. So then when we’re out in the streets, they’ve already learned plan, problem, solution decision. One day we do it. We do the ultra call for them the second day. And we stand behind them where they do their altar call. The third day, we stepped back and watched them do the alter call. So then they get this confidence. And then we also say, there’s a lot of fish that leave the net while we do the altar call, people come forward. So while someone’s up there giving the article, you look at the ones that scattered and you go after them. And so then that then, Hey, can I just ask you a few questions? If we did a drama, we’ll say, ask them a question about the drama. Did you understand what you just saw?

Donna Blanchard (16:29):
Did you understand what this meant? Did you understand what that meant? Then you can do your own personal testimony, but once people realize it’s so easy, one of the easiest things, Dave and I teach us how to witness to a waiter or waitress. You got four contacts with them. They come to you, they bring you the, the menu. And then they ask you what you’d like to drink. You tell them what you want to drink. Then they come and take, they bring your drinks, they take your food order, and then they bring your food and they ask you a question, always ask you a question. Is there anything else I can do for you? And at that moment, that’s your cue. We always thank God for our food, but we always like to pray for our waiter or waitress. And then you’ve just mentioned their name.

Donna Blanchard (17:04):
If you see their little name tag, Sharon or Bob, what prayer requests do you have? And then when they tell you what it is, you can look them in the eye because we teach. You don’t have to close your eyes when you pray. And they’re a little bit embarrassed. So if you’re got your eyes closed, they’re doing this and you just grab them by the hand. If it’s a young lady, I’ll take her hand up. It’s young, man. I’ll put my hand on his shoulder, pray their, whatever their prayer request is. And then we’ll plan, problem, solution decision, and just lead them in a prayer. So I think what we try to do is make the gospel simple and take the fear out of it. Proverbs 29 says the fear of man will prove to be a scenario to you. So you’ll never witness if you’re fearful, but if most of the time people think they’re going to be rejected. When the majority of the time people are hurting and they want someone to tell them about Jesus

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:47):
David years ago, you shared a little message with me. You said that a soul is the greatest treasure in heaven. A soul is the greatest treasure in hell and assault is the greatest treasure here on earth. Share with me why souls are such great treasures.

David Blanchard (18:03):
So in heaven, when we read revelations, we see Daniel that, that in revelation, there’s, there’s a street to gold and there’s big old gates of pearls that we’re going to walk through. And we, we, we we, we see that there’s jewels in the walls. We read about it all kinds of different jewels in the walls, and we’re going to have gold crowns, but is that the most important thing in heaven? No. The most important thing, a heaven that God sent his son here on the earth for our souls. Why do I say souls, Daniel? Because, because God created us in his image and in his likeness and he wants to have fellowship with us. And he wants to have communion with us, not just here on earth, but for ever any eternity. And so the most important treasure in heaven is a soul.

David Blanchard (18:58):
And that’s why the devil is fighting so hard to take people to hell. That’s why there’s so many drugs, pornography and morality. There’s so much confusion, chaos and destruction because the devil wants to destroy people and take them to hell. And not only that, Daniel, that means that if the most important possession in heaven is a soul and the most important possession in hell that the devil is fighting for is a soul. The most important possession on earth. The treasure here on earth is not the gold. The diamonds is Juul is the money. It’s a soul because there’s two things that you know, and I know, and everybody listening knows that are eternal. Those two things are the word of God that will last forever and souls. We will all live somewhere forever, either with God or without God. And so that’s why I share with you the most important treasure in heaven on earth or under the earth is a soul and all, all, all Christians, all believers must listen to this, write this down.

David Blanchard (20:03):
All Christians, all believers must put souls in your goals. Write that down, put souls in your goals because you and I need to have as Christian believers, souls as part of our goals, because every place would go. Just like Donald’s saying, when we go to a restaurant, when you go to a store, plant a seed, water, a seed put out some fertilizer, you know, do something and then harvest as he, because I soul is the most, a person is the most important treasure we are created in God’s image, Dr. TLR and told me Daniel. And he said, God made all the animals. And then he made humans. Then you made man. He made man. And the difference between man is that man can speak to God. God can speak to man. And we have a communication and God created man in his image, in his likeness, in his character, in his ability to have this fellowship with him there, the animals were there and I love animals.

David Blanchard (21:06):
I studied to be a veterinarian. I, animals are great, but you can’t exactly have a fellowship communication time in a relationship with an animal to the level you can, as with a human being. And God created humans and created man and woman to be part of his kingdom, which I know there’s going to be animals there as well, but we can speak, we can talk. We are intelligent. And so God made us in his likeness, in his image so that we can have fellowship with him forever. The devil wants to steal that fellowship that God wants to have with mankind. And, and, and that’s the devil’s purpose to kill, steal and destroy. Yeah. The only the way

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:50):
That the devil can hurt God is by stealing a soul from his grasp. And that means that the only way that we can hurt Satan’s kingdom is by going and redeeming a Thall and taking that person with us to heaven. I mean, we can stomp around and intercede and pray all day, but until we actually go out on the streets and lead someone to Jesus, we haven’t hurt Satan’s kingdom. And so we have to go after souls and lead as many people as we can to Jesus. Right. That’s

David Blanchard (22:18):
Exactly right. And the most important thing that we can do is live like Christ. And you know, to know God, and this is eternal life, John 17 three, that you would know God, the only everlasting God, the only true father and his son, Jesus Christ, whom he has sent to this earth, for who, for souls, there is salvation. And no one else except the name of Jesus Christ and God desires for all to come to know him, that none would perish that all would be saved. You know, that is God’s will God’s will, for all mankind, is that we would find our true identity in our relationship with him and our relationship with Jesus Christ. That’s right.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:05):
So if someone wants to come down to Mexico and participate in an invasion, or maybe bring a short-term mission trip down to work with you guys, or, or maybe even support your ministry, how can they find out more information about you? What’s your website?

David Blanchard (23:20):
Yeah. So our website is www.vc harvesters.org. And you might be thinking, well, wait a minute, Daniel, they already reached their goal of a million Bibles for a million souls. That’s exactly right. Well, what are we going to do now? So, and, and that’s a good question. I told Donna, well, let’s just go on cruises for the rest of our life. But that our, one of our staff in Mexico city gave me this gold ring. This is my ring, but this was a gold ring for a million souls. And so in a vision, in a, in a church, we are worshiping the Lord in Houston, Texas. After we reached that goal, I was worshiping the Lord with my hands up and I closed my eyes and I saw my 10 fingers were with each one, had one of these rings on it. And I said, Lord, what are you talking about? 9 million more? And that’s the new vision, 10 million Bibles, 10 million souls. So they, you can come with on a mission trip. You can come and get involved with us in, in our outreaches. You can come at our Bible school and revel, the radio, Mexico come and be involved in our church activities. When COVID passes, we going to start a Nate invasions, again, get involved with us and find out about us. You can call 9 5 6 7 2 7 0 0 5 9 or get on WW w VC harvesters.org org. And

Donna Blanchard (24:41):
I also less dislike to comment that every soul that we won, it’s not like, wow, when David and Donna get to heaven, it’s like, oh, look, these people came that they won the million or the 10 million. And I’m sure with Reinhardt monkey and teal Osbourne as well it’s all of us together. Everybody that’s ever given any, anything. Every mission team that’s ever come down, they passed out Bibles to, they did the altar calls to every person that was ever involved in any invasion. They were passing out Bibles they’re winning souls. So that we’re all going to say, Jesus, you get the glory. We give you the credit, the little grandma on the corner that says she’s 80 years old and she can’t go on a mission trip, but she’s praying on her knees. She’s going to say, this was my part in these millions of souls for the Lord. I have been, we all going to put our crowns down before the Lord, and he gets all the glory.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:31):
Amen. Well, you guys are great missionaries, great evangelists. I’m very inspired just by your story, in your example, for so many years, thank you for being on the evangelism podcast with me.

David Blanchard (25:45):
Thank you, Daniel, for having us.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:47):
Thanks for listening to the evangelism podcast today. I want to ask you to partner with me, to help lead people to Jesus. For as little as a dollar a month, you can be responsible for helping us lead at least one person to Jesus every single month. Over our 20 years of ministry, we’ve found that it costs an average of about $1 for every person that we’re able to reach. And so if you could just go to king ministries.com and partner with us for at least $1, just $1 partner with us to help us lead people to Jesus. Imagine for a dollar, you can be responsible for starting a party in heaven every single month. And would you do me a favor, go to apple iTunes and leave this podcast. A review. Your positive review will help other people who are excited about evangelism to find this show. Thanks so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:51):
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