Rick Lairsey | The Flashpoint of Revival

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Evangelist Daniel King (00:00):
Rick Lairsey is a national evangelist with the Church of God in Cleveland, Tennessee. He leads Flashpoint Ministries, and he is excited about bringing revival to churches across the United States. Today, we talk about how a passion for evangelism can revive and rejuvenate the local church.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:35):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now, here’s your host, missionary and evangelist, Daniel King.

Evangelist Daniel King (00:59):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus. Today I have a very special guest with me. Evangelist Rick Lairsey. Thank you for joining me on the Evangelism

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (01:15):
Podcast. Awesome to be here with you and always excited to talk about revival, winning souls, and making a difference in people’s lives.

Evangelist Daniel King (01:24):
Well, let’s talk a little bit about your ministry. You talk about flashpoint revival. Tell me, what is flashpoint revival

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (01:35):
All about? Well, flashpoint is that flashover temperature that a room gets to that everything just spontaneously combust into a fire. And so with that thought in mind, a flashpoint in revival is a moment where you’re compelled to make a change or make a difference no matter what the cost may be. So my thought is that people have to come to a place where they come to the end of themselves and they realize I can’t keep doing what I’ve been doing, can’t keep going where I’ve been going, can’t keep living the way I’ve been living, which I call a flashpoint moment where you have to decide, okay, what am I going to do? What change am I going to make in my life? And I feel like that God has called us to create sparks of flashpoints, sparks of revival everywhere we go, and create these moments for people to come to the realization that the only hope that I have and the only one that can really change my life is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Evangelist Daniel King (02:36):
I really love the name of your ministry because the very first book that I wrote back when I was about 17, 18 years old was called Firepower. And I talk about how to catch the fire of God. And I have a whole chapter in there named Flashpoint. And like you just described, Flashpoint is that temperature where a fire just suddenly combusts. Once something gets hot enough, nothing can stop it from combusting. And I think the goal is that we would be so much on fire for God that everywhere we go, we just combust revival in the lives of the people around us. And so what are some of the things that you would say to people who want to be a living example of revival and start revivals around them everywhere they go?

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (03:35):
I think the main thing I would say to people is just be one that is not afraid to share your testimony, not afraid to share what God has done in your life. When you talk about evangelism, you have personal evangelism where you try to win somebody on a personal basis. Then you talk about the preaching of the gospel where you try to speak to a congregation or an audience where perhaps there are people there that need the Lord Jesus Christ. And I think the most powerful tool that we have is our own personal testimonies and our own personal experience and what God has done in our lives and not be afraid to share what God has done. Not be afraid to share where God has brought you from and what he’s brought you out of because your story, my story, our story, there’s always someone out there that are in the same place where we were when God changed our lives.

(04:28):
And you want to be very. In my mind, I always want to be very transparent, very open to what God has done in my life so it can somehow let somebody know there’s still hope that God still has a plan for your life. God still has a purpose for you to fulfill. And that’s where the flashpoint comes in to me because that moment that everything just begins to set a blaze in your heart and in your life where you realize, I can’t keep going the way I’ve been going. God’s got to have everything I’ve got. I feel like that people need to hear the story of revival in a person’s life.

Evangelist Daniel King (05:09):
I love what you’re saying about testimony because our testimony is one of the most powerful tools we have to tell people about Jesus, to get people interested in God. So let’s drill in a little bit. Share with me a little bit about your testimony. What has God done in your life that makes you so excited about sharing Jesus with others?

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (05:33):
Well, we don’t have all day, I don’t think. But just quick synopsis. I was called to preach when I was 13. Started preaching when I was 13. Been preaching all these years since then, sharing the gospel. When it comes to testimony, I remember I had a conversation with the Lord one time about, I don’t have that good of a testimony. We’d have these guys come through our church and there’d be testimonies where God brought them up out of the pit of alcoholism and drug addiction and all those kind of things. And I didn’t have that testimony. My testimony was saved at six, filled with the Holy Ghost at 11, called to preach at 13. Never done drugs, never done alcohol, never smoked. I was a virgin when I got married. And so the testimony was kind of bland. And so I felt like the Lord was just telling me everybody has their own path.

(06:29):
And I do have a testimony, even though it may not be one from the gutter, I still had to have the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ in my life. I still had to be rescued because sin is sin and sin will damn you to hell. And I had to be free from that. Moving forward, life brings you a lot of curve balls. Life brings you a lot of things that you weren’t expecting. I didn’t expect to go through a divorce. I didn’t expect to go through some of the things that brought in my life. And yet God was faithful. God still blessed me. I was still able to maintain my integrity. I was still able to stay steadfast in the ministry and do what God had called me to do. So a lot of my ministry comes from that transparency of hurt, the transparency of brokenness, the transparency of losing everything and then finding everything.

(07:26):
And pretty much that just says it all for me. And that’s where the flashpoint really came in because I can point at different times in my life where I was compelled to make a change or make a difference. When God called me to preach as a 13-year-old boy, my first sermon on the very night that I preached my first sermon, my father, who was an alcoholic, deserted our family. So we came home to an empty house. And so the enemy at that time, you know how he is, he comes with his accusatory tone and begins to tell you, “Well, if you hadn’t have preached your first sermon, if you haven’t accepted the call of God, your dad would’ve never left and your dad would’ve stuck around. And now your mom wouldn’t be stuck raising two boys on her own.” And at that point, it’s a flashpoint.

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I can choose to be bitter or I can choose to get better. I can choose to be a victim or I could choose to be a victor. I could choose to be an overcomer or I could choose to be overcome by my circumstances. And so that’s what in my mind, the flashpoint that everybody needs to come to in their life where they recognize, I’ve got to make a difference. I’ve got to make the change. I’ve got to do whatever the Lord wants me to do to be all that he wants me to be in this world.

Evangelist Daniel King (08:49):
You mentioned transparency. And sometimes I think when people see a minister, they feel like the minister is up on the platform. He’s got his whole life together. But ministers, evangelists are often hurt in different ways. And so what are some of the ways that your transparency helps other people to connect to God?

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (09:19):
Well, I think, what did the scripture tell us? It told us that Paul talked about this a lot, that you are to share where you’ve come from because you’re going to end up, and let me just paraphrase it, you’re going to end up meeting people that have gone through what you’ve gone through and that we’re to lift up the hands that hang down and strengthen the weak knees. And the way you do that is the shared experience that you have. And I think that’s what transparency does. I think when people see. A lot of people have always been afraid to go down this rat, rabbit hole, I should say, because you think, well, we take the gleam or the glisten or the shine off the ministry. But yet I think people want to know there’s hope. They want to know that you came through it.

(10:09):
I know I can come through it. I think that’s the message that people need to hear that I’ve not gone too far. I’ve not fell too far. I’ve not made too many mistakes that I can never be redeemed or never have my life back. I mean, I shared my testimony recently in a church service that I was conducting a revival. And I had a man that the Lord touched that came up to me afterwards and told me if somebody had come in my life 30 years ago and had been as open and transparent as you were and shared what you shared tonight, I believe I probably would not have gone down the paths that I’ve been down for the last 30 years. I finally have some hope that God still has a plan for my life. And I think that’s what it’s all about in my mind.

Evangelist Daniel King (10:59):
Amen. Well, you are an ordained bishop with the Church of God in Cleveland, Tennessee. And you serve with them as an at large national evangelist. And so I understand a lot of your ministry is going to Church of God churches and helping to empower them to do evangelism. Talk to me a little bit about what God is doing through the Church of God in Cleveland, Tennessee.

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (11:30):
Well, we are the Church of God. We preach, we care, we send, we go, we pray. And that’s been our theme for the last couple of years from our leadership. And so evangelism is one of the biggest things that carries forth the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ into the world. My goal, and I’m probably a little bit different than some, I’m not afraid to go to anywhere that God opens the door. Small churches, large churches, crusades, tents, whatever it may be. And what I have seen myself is when we have the opportunities and God gives us these opportunities, churches are strengthened. Many times churches grow financially, spiritually, emotionally, numerically in our meetings after our meetings have done. And so as far as the church is concerned, they want someone out there just giving the gospel, giving hope, giving direction. I think sometimes what we miss is a lot of the work of, we call it evangelist, but it’s really more of a revivalist and revitalization.

(12:51):
I don’t know about this. I think you’re in the assemblies of God. I don’t know about the assemblies as much as Church of God, but I know Church of God, 80% of our churches are less than a hundred people. And what I find myself doing is gravitating to that demographic because I feel like if a spark of revival can take place, if I can say something, do something, speak something, declare something that the Lord is giving me, that could be a spark that turns everything around, that’s what I’m out there for, to help revitalize some of these churches that have been stagnant for years. Some of these churches that have just hit a plateau and just don’t ever seem like they can ever get over the plateau. And I find myself being, quite frankly, a counselor to the pastor, a confidant to the pastor, but also someone that’s able to speak a confirming, affirming word to the congregation and a prophetic utterance that might give them the idea of, “Hey, God’s really got a plan for us and I really need to get on board.” And really that’s my goal right there, that revival will break out, that once I’m at a church that weeks later I will hear about something that’s taken place that has spurred that church forward.

(14:11):
I’ll give you an example. I had one of our administrative bishops invited me out to a state, Arizona, actually it was. And for the Church of God, it’s a small state. And he just wanted me to come out and preach at this church, a couple of his churches. And I didn’t know what the size of the churches were. And so he set up my itinerary. And the first place I went, and I won’t name the town, I walked in and there was only two people there. And of course, the first thought I had is that I came all this way because I was living in Maryland at the time. I came all this way to preach to two people. I just cannot believe I’m here to preach to two people. And one of them played the guitar, the other one played the piano. One was 65 years old.

(14:55):
The other was 75 years old. They were both men. And they sang some hymnals and played some songs. And they looked at me and said, “You’re just going to preach to the two of us?” As if I would change my mind or something after coming that far. And I said, “Yeah, I’ve come here to preach to just the two of us.” And I said, “So what we’ll do is do our best.” And I thought it was kind of a joke, but it wasn’t. A 94-year-old woman walked in in the middle of my sermon. So now I’m preaching to three people. And in all intents and purposes, it looked like it was a dead place. It looked like it was. Is there any hope here? Is there anything that can really happen here? Can anything take place here? And I just preached like I would preach to 500, a thousand people.

(15:40):
And then at the end I said, “You know what? I’m going to pray for all three of you.” And I actually called them into the altar and I took the anointing oil and laid hands on them and prayed for them. And I can’t tell you that I felt any special dispensation or any special fire or any special spiritual move. I just prayed as the Lord led me and went on my way. About 30 days later, the overseer of that area called and said, “What did you do on that Sunday that you were at that church?” I said, “Well, I just preached to the two or three people that were there and prayed for them.” And he said, “Well, something happened.” He said, “They’re saying that a fire was lit that day. And I’m putting a new pastor in there today and they have 60 people that are coming.”

Evangelist Daniel King (16:21):
Wow. So from three

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (16:23):
People

Evangelist Daniel King (16:23):
To 60.

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (16:24):
60 in 30 days. And all because those three people said, “You know what? We may not be the youngest, but we can speak.” And so they decided to begin to ask people to come and begin to share their testimony, begin to share that they believe that God’s got a plan for their church. And to me, and that just little story right there just says it all for me as to what I think my purpose is in a lot of places.

Evangelist Daniel King (16:53):
That’s a great testimony. I love it. I’m not actually assemblies of God, although I have many assemblies of God friends. And I’m just a humble, independent evangelist.

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (17:06):
I just assumed. I’m sorry about that. Yeah.

Evangelist Daniel King (17:08):
But it is exciting to see what God is doing through the evangelistic gift. You and I got to know each other a little bit this year at the launch of the Global Evangelist Alliance, the USA, which took place at the 125-year anniversary of the original Azusa Street Revival out in Los Angeles. And it was really cool to see that God is bringing the evangelistic gift more to the forefront in the body of Christ, which I think is something God really wants to do because it is harvest time. We’ve never been at a point in America like now where there is a desperate need for people to preach the gospel of

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (18:06):
Jesus

Evangelist Daniel King (18:06):
Christ. And I think that there is something unique that God does through the evangelist. It’s a different anointing than those anointed to be pastors. And you serve as an evangelist. What do you feel that the evangelist brings to the table when they come into a church? Because sometimes churches nowadays, they say, “Oh, I don’t think we need to have revival anymore. Revival is something we used to do. I’ll just invite one of my pastor friends to come and preach if I’m going to be on vacation or something.” But why does a church need to bring in somebody who has an evangelist gift? What does the evangelist bring to be a blessing to the body of Christ?

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (18:55):
Well, I think about this quite a bit actually because what do we bring that is a benefit to the body? And I think we bring an affirming, confirming voice a lot of times where I find myself coming in preaching what Lord lays upon my heart and it confirms what God has already been doing and affirms what God wants to do. But also, I believe we bring another voice. Sometimes we need another voice. I’ve had people say this, and you’ve probably had the same thing happen, that I had never heard that before. And then the pastor behind that comes, “Well, I just preached it last week.” But the bottom line is I think what the evangelist brings is another voice, an unaffirming voice. Sometimes it’s a fire that maybe just needs a fire because fire begets fire. Bring a fire, bring an anointing that can break bondages, set people free, heal.

(20:10):
Lives are changed under the conviction of the Holy Spirit. I’ve pastored. 13 years of my ministry. The last one was for nine years. So I have a pastor’s perspective as well to evangelism. But the last 25 years in a row and 32 years of my ministry, I’ve been an evangelist. And what I try to tell pastors, churches, wherever I go, I’m your best friend for that week. I’m your best friend because I’m here to lift you up and affirm your leadership, but also to bring hopefully a fresh, prophetic, apostolic, evangelistic word that will just turn some things around or set some things on a better course. You just never know. It can be all over the map sometimes. I don’t know if that answers your question or not, but that’s pretty much what I think.

Evangelist Daniel King (21:07):
Yeah. You mentioned earlier that the average church in the church of God might be under a hundred people. And so if you go to a pastor who is serving God very faithfully, 80, 100 people, if everybody shows up, and they express a heart to reach people for Jesus. Every pastor wants to grow. They don’t want to stay where they are, but they want to grow. They want to help their people grow,

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (21:45):
And

Evangelist Daniel King (21:46):
They want numerically to grow. And so if someone says to you, “Brother Rick, how can we reach more people for Jesus?” And you’re sitting down in the office with a pastor. What would you say to encourage them? And how would you recommend that a church begins to reach out to those who need Jesus?

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (22:09):
I think there’s several things that I could say there. I think everything has to be based off prayer, number one. And if you don’t have a prayer ministry in your church and you’re not actively praying church, it’s going to be hard to get something started by the power of God’s spirit. And I’ve told pastors this, I’ve told them, I said, “You’ve got to prepare for the move of God. And you’ve got to prepare in such a way that through prayer that God is able to speak to your heart about having compassion for the lost in your community. And you’ve got to train up enough people in your church that are vocal enough.” I think one of the things I struggle with in what I see in a lot of small churches particularly is how they become incubators and isolated. And it’s about their four walls.

(23:09):
And it’s about their own people, if you want to say it like that, that they never reach out. Nobody ever asks anybody to come to church. Nobody ever tries to evangelize or tries to speak to somebody. And so what I try to encourage pastors to do is first of all, begin to pray, begin to identify some people that are vocal, that are able to get out there and invite people to church and share their testimony. I think pastors need to.

(23:45):
It can be easy to get comfortable in doing nothing. I hate to say it like that, but I just don’t understand how you can do nothing when there’s so many people around you that needs the Lord Jesus Christ. One of the things, just recently, I was in a restaurant and I tell pastors that this as well. When I’m in a restaurant, the waitress came up and I could tell that she had some heaviness on her, that you could just tell that she wasn’t. And I said, “Are you okay?” And she looked at me for a moment and I said, “Not really.” I said, “Well, I’m a minister. I’d like to pray for you. Is there anything I can pray about?” Well, I hadn’t been to church in years as the conversation went on. And I was able to lead her to the Lord Jesus Christ right there at my table and pray with her.

(24:39):
I think it’s just that simple sometimes. I think we over complicate evangelizing on a personal basis. And I think in talking about pastors and ministries, we need to make it simple. We need to make it easy. We need to make it where it’s just a matter of opening up and seeing a need to meet the need and seeing the hurt to heal the hurt.

Evangelist Daniel King (25:02):
Amen. What are you doing in the Church of God, Cleveland, Tennessee to identify those who have a gift for evangelism and to train them and to release them into the body of Christ with the gift of evangelism?

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (25:20):
Well, I don’t know if you know this or not, but the Church of God did away with our evangelism department back in 2008, 2010, somewhere back then. And we just re-instituted it two years ago.

Evangelist Daniel King (25:31):
Well, praise God. It’s good to have evangelists back. We need it.

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (25:36):
And a part of that process is still in the process, if you understand what I’m saying. And there have been some evangelism seminars to reach out to evangelists, to bring them in, to teach them. Personally, for me, I have young evangelists come up to me all the time or young guys that feel like that they’re called to evangelize wanting to know how to get started. And so I try to, when I have a moment like that, I try to mentor younger guys into what they need to do. And I think our denomination, our church, we’re working toward that. We’re not where we need to be, but we’re doing everything we can to identify. As a matter of fact, we have a program by one of our leaders that was started, I want to call it SeaConnect, is what it is, where they’re identifying young men and young women throughout our denomination that feel the call of God on their life so that they can bring them in for a two-week extensive and intensive training in evangelism and in ministry.

(26:42):
And what we’re finding out, there’s a lot of hungry guys out there and women as well that are plugging into that process. So those are a couple things that we’re doing as a denomination and in leadership in order to spur on revival and evangelism.

Evangelist Daniel King (26:59):
That’s really exciting to hear. And I think that’s an initiative that comes from God. Earlier we’re talking about flashpoint and catching on fire for God. And one thing I know about fire is if fire is not spreading, eventually it’s going to go out.

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (27:17):
It’s going to die.

Evangelist Daniel King (27:18):
It’s going to die. And so that is the job of the evangelist is to

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (27:23):
Spread

Evangelist Daniel King (27:23):
The fire everywhere he goes. And so it’s really good to hear that there’s been a recognition that we need the evangelist and to start identifying and lifting up the gift of the evangelist. Because without that evangelistic fervor, eventually churches are going to die and disappear. And denominations across the spectrum are experiencing that here in America.

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (27:51):
So

Evangelist Daniel King (27:51):
True. And I think we have a mandate during this time from God to raise up more evangelists. The evangelist brings this fervor to reach the loss that is really needed in the church today. And I’m glad that you’re mentoring young evangelists. That’s so encouraging to hear. So if someone wants to invite you to come preach at their church or preach a revival or wants to get ahold of some of your resources on evangelism, what is a good way for them to connect with you? What’s your website?

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (28:30):
Www.ricklairsey.com. That’s my website.

Evangelist Daniel King (28:36):
And how do you spell your name?

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (28:39):
R-I-C-K-L-A-I-R-S-E-Y.com. Awesome. And they can find us there. I’m not sure I want to put out my cell phone number, but that’s okay too.

Evangelist Daniel King (28:52):
No, they can go to your website and find out

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (28:54):
Information about you. We have something there where they can contact us and you can find us also. We are also broadcasting every Friday morning at 8:00 AM on greaterlove.tv. And that’s an app that you can download to your iOS device or Android device or smart TV. We’re also on Dish Network 98.3 at the same time. We’re also on Comcast Xfinity Channel 1094. And we’re also, it seems like there’s another one we’re on as well, but you can find us on there as far as the ministry going forward and also how to get ahold of us as well.

Evangelist Daniel King (29:38):
That’s awesome. One final question. You mentioned that these young people who have a desire to be used by God in evangelism sometimes come to you and ask you questions. What is the one piece of advice that you would give to someone who Who feels drawn towards the ministry of evangelism?

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (30:05):
Know that you’re called to evangelism. And the only way you’re going to know that is through prayer, fasting, and really getting direction from the Lord. Because if you know you’re called, then you can handle what I think is one of the biggest adversities, and that’s rejection. I don’t know how you do it. I don’t know how other people do it, but I usually have to make a lot of phone calls and a lot of contacts, a lot of conversations have to take place. And I have to be willing to be told no more times than told yes. And if you really have a heart to evangelize, you want to evangelize, and you want to do the work of an evangelist, and that’s traveling in my mind itinerantly from location to location, church to church, region to region, however it may open up for you. You’ve got to be willing to accept that you’re going to be rejected probably 90 or 95% of the time.

(31:07):
Well,

Evangelist Daniel King (31:07):
That’s an encouraging word.

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (31:10):
But really you ask me what I tell him. I said, and if you’re thin-skinned and you can’t handle it, then you’re not going to make it. Because the enemy’s going to make sure you get rejected in such ways that you’re going to say, what’s the use of even trying? And I mean, that may sound like a weird way of looking at it, but that’s something that just I try to impress upon. Matter of fact, I got a call from somebody and says, “I was told to call you because you know how to do it better than anybody else.” And I said, “Well, I don’t know about that.” And the first question I asked him, I said, “Well, how do you handle rejection?” And he says, “What do you mean?” I said, “Well, are you easily offended? Does it get under your skin when somebody tells you no?

(31:55):
Or do you get back up and make the next call or make the next contact?” I said, “That tells you how serious you are and how committed you are about what God has called you to do.” If 95% of people say, no, you can’t do it, and you still want to do it, you’re called.

Evangelist Daniel King (32:19):
Amen. Well, that is great advice. Don’t worry about rejection because if you have a hundred rejections and you get one, God can do a miracle with a one.

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (32:32):
That’s

Evangelist Daniel King (32:32):
Right. All right. Well, evangelist Rick, thank you so much for being on the Evangelism Podcast. I really appreciate it.

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (32:38):
Well, thanks Daniel for having me. I really enjoyed the opportunity. I hope I said something that maybe helps someone.

Evangelist Daniel King (32:46):
Absolutely. Thank you.

Evangelist Rick Lairsey (32:48):
Thank you very much.

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