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Jordan Chanin | Share Word Global Trains Local Churches in Evangelism

Jordan Chanin works for Share Word Global, the Canadian version of Gideons International. For many years they have been known for putting Bibles in the night stand in hotels around the world. On today’s episode of The Evangelism Podcast, Jordan tells us about how ShareWord Global is training local churches in evangelism. We discuss the four core skills that will help you with your outreach conversations.

Learn more about Share Word Global: https://sharewordglobal.com/ca/

Information about training local churches in evangelism: https://events.sharewordglobal.com/ca/ignite-evangelism

Summary: 

Jordan Chanin works for ShareWord Global, the Canadian version of Gideons International, which has been putting Bibles in hotel rooms for over 100 years. ShareWord Global is now training local churches in evangelism, focusing on four core skills:

  1. Connect with people by being intentional, finding common ground, and looking for ways to serve and bless them.
  2. Tell your personal faith story, sharing the “before, how, and after” of how Jesus changed your life.
  3. Share the story of Jesus – his personal life, relationships, credentials, and the key events of his life, death, and resurrection.
  4. Give people God’s word, using resources like the Hope and Spark magazines, digital content, and the New Life Bible app.

ShareWord Global offers these evangelism training events for free to local churches to help equip and mobilize believers to share their faith.

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Jordan Chanin works for Share Word Global, the Canadian version of Gideon’s International. For many years they’ve been known for putting Bibles in the nightstand in hotels around the world. On today’s episode of the Evangelism Podcast, Jordan tells us about how Share Word Global is training local churches in evangelism. We discussed the four core skills that will help you with your outreach conversations.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:43):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary, and evangelist

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:05):
Daniel King. Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus Today I have a very special guest with me, a Jordan Chanin from Share Word Global. Thank you for being with me.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (01:20):
Yes indeed, Daniel. It is a huge privilege to be here. Thanks for having me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:23):
Well, let’s start by looking at Share Word global. If you have ever traveled anywhere around the world and seeing a Bible in the nightstand next to your bed in the hotel, it was probably put there by a ministry called Gideons. And so Gideons has been for over a hundred years, been giving away Bibles and share Word Global has its start as the Canadian branch of Gideons.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (01:54):
Yeah, that is a perfect history lesson. That’s exactly it. We are a ministry that has had the name Sherwood Global for 13 years, but we actually carry with us an over 111 year, or actually maybe even more so by now. But anyways, over well over a hundred years of ministry experience.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:11):
That is absolutely amazing. And I love the passion that Gideon’s has for sharing Bibles all over the world. And so now the Canadian ministry has changed and rebranded to be share word global. So it sounds like you still have that same basic passion for sharing God’s word.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (02:32):
Yeah, 100%. I mean, it’s in our blood, it’s in our DNA as a ministry. We believe that the word of God will speak to the nations, that God has given us this word for all people. And so we want to do whatever we can to get the word of God into people’s hands so they can ultimately encounter Christ and receive salvation.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:51):
I saw that you have taken God’s word and put it into a really beautiful package as a magazine. And so I have it in my hand here, spark Magazine.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (03:04):
Yes. And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:05):
Just tell us what is in Spark Magazine.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (03:07):
Yeah, so the Spark Magazine is actually our magazine for young people. We created it for the age group of around nine to 12 years old, although we do give it to children younger than that as well. And to be honest, a lot of adults that we give it to as well almost prefer it to the Hope Magazine, which is our other one. But

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:26):
So Hope Magazine is more for the adult,

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (03:28):
Correct? Yes. Teenagers, adults, and plus they’re very similar magazines. The main difference is the first half. So the Spark Magazine targeted towards younger people primarily the first half contains 12 truths about God. So it starts with God created you, God loves you, you have value, but you were broken. And so we made it in a way that really speaks to children. We have little games and pictures and things that can engage a child’s imagination and also keep their attention.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:02):
Wow, that’s amazing, Jordan. So how did you get hooked up with share word global?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (04:08):
Yeah, it’s actually a really crazy story how it all worked out. So I was actually serving as an itinerant preacher in Brazil for a few years. And so God essentially led me to various churches around the country just to preach, encourage them, and it was always my heart to mobilize the church to do the work of evangelism and fulfill the great commission. That’s kind of all my sermons. Were coming back to these key themes of repentance. Of course, I believe, and I know many others, share the conviction that without repentance there will never be revival. We got to become full before the Lord and beyond that that we need to do the work that he’s called us to the Great commission. So I was doing that for a few years and it was amazing the things that God was showing me and allowing me to be a part of, but I knew that it was also quite limited and I really wanted to do something deeper and something more sustainable with the long-term.

(05:09):
And so in this process of me traveling around the country preaching at all these random churches, interdenominational Evangelical, Sherwood Global was just launching their Brazil project to open up in that country about six months after me. And so the funny thing is, of the many tens of thousands of churches in Brazil, they just so happened to visit churches that I had previously preached at being a Canadian organization. Naturally, when they went there to share about who they were and to preach at their services and people heard they’re from Canada, they said, Hey, do you know Pastor Jordan from Vancouver? And our director, he’s a Brazilian man, but he lives in Toronto, in the Toronto area right now. He said, no, I’ve never heard of Pastor Jordan Canada’s big country. I don’t know anyone from Vancouver, I’m sorry. And it happened about four times in four different states.

(06:03):
And so eventually he was like, who is this Pastor Jordan from Vancouver that everyone knows and I’ve never heard of? I need to meet this guy. Well, sure enough, one of my main partner churches in the south of Brazil, I was a preacher there, but I was also doing a men’s ministry there. They happened to Sherwood Global, planned a visit to that church the same day that I was there. And during that time, the director, his meeting got canceled with the lead pastor. He had nothing to do now for the afternoon and he was a little disappointed and he said, I guess I’ll go meet with some other people and connect at this church. And then a pastor said, Hey, if you’re available right now, I have a friend from Canada who I want to introduce you to. His name is Pastor Jordan from Vancouver.

(06:46):
I think it’d be great for you, get to know him. And he said, that must be why I came here. So we met, he was surprised to find out I was a young single guy. He was expecting some old retired, married guy traveling around the world, living his days out. And so we grabbed dinner, we talked, he shared about the ministry, what they do. I said, man, that’s literally what I’m doing just without the resources and the backing that you guys have. And he said, well, let’s pray about it and maybe in the future we can work together. After eight months of talking and praying and seeing where our ministries were going, the timing worked out perfectly. And I started with Share Word Global at the beginning of 2024.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:26):
Outstanding. And one of the things that Share Word Global does is ignite evangelism training events in local churches.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (07:36):
Yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:36):
And so let’s talk about that a little bit. What happens at one of these Ignite Evangelism training events?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (07:44):
These are some of the most exciting things that we get to be a part of because we love to serve the local church. We exist to equip and mobilize the local church to evangelize. And so we host these training events. They’re training in relational evangelism or a conversational evangelism. We call them our Ignite events because we want to gather not only a local church specifically, but also other churches in the area, anyone who wants to come and grow in their ability to share the gospel, we invite them. And so we partner with a local church, they host it, we get the word out there, the people come and we begin to go through a three hour interactive seminar about relational evangelism. And so yeah, we have some of our materials here with us today just to show what our workbook is actually that we go through to accomplish what we would consider the basics of sharing the gospel in your personal relationships.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:40):
So if there’s a pastor of a local church that would be interested in having evangelism training, what would be a good way for them to find out more information?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (08:52):
Yeah, well definitely go on our website. It’s www.sharewordglobal.com, and you can be directed to whatever area of interest you have that our ministry offers. And I would also say get in touch with me because I work in Canada and United States, but also we work in 48 countries around the world and we’re actively serving churches, thousands of churches every year in those countries. And my email isJordan@sharewordglobal.com. And just to clarify it’s word and not world, I know a lot of people think Share World global, but it’s actually share word as in the word of God, global.com.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:34):
That’s wonderful. Alright, so let’s look at this literature, the training worksheet that you would give out at one of your evangelism training things. And so you start out by looking at different levels of conversation, four different levels. Talk us through what those levels are and how that would apply to witnessing.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (09:58):
So that’s the model that we work with. It’s ultimately, we know a lot of people don’t feel called to preach on the streets or whenever someone brings up the word evangelism,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:08):
Get a bullhorn and go out in the street and

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (10:10):
Shout at people. That’s only for the advanced lessons. No, just kidding, just kidding. But a lot of people have that

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:16):
Fear, that approach kind of turns people off often. Exactly. They think of evangelism and they think of someone who’s obnoxious, who’s out on the street yelling at people and they’re like, I could never confront people like that.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (10:30):
Totally. And a lot of people discount their ability to evangelize because of that. They have that picture in their mind or the extremely extroverted person who goes out and they can strike up conversation with anyone and fearlessly talk about Jesus. They say, that’s not me. That’s okay. That’s not most people. Most people feel shy or maybe even insecure sometimes about their ability to share their faith. And so we want to make it really simple and we use this relational conversational model. We acknowledge that there’s four main levels of a conversation within a relationship. So it usually starts with small talk, very superficial, how’s the weather today? What about those gas prices? Just establishing a point of contact. You might talk about things like scores on a Super Bowl game or something like that. Things that aren’t too controversial, not too personal, just kind of keeping the conversation going. And that’s really where all relationships start. It’s just that point of contact and having an interaction with a fellow human being. Next up, we want to go to the personal talk. So this is when you take the small talk and you make it a bit more about the individual, their feelings, their desires, what’s going on in their life. And that’s really when the relationship begins to take root and there’s a more meaningful something.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:56):
So an example of small talk would be, how’s the weather? Or how are the Edmonton Oilers doing something like that where you’re talking about weather or sports. And then personal talk would be Tell me about your family.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (12:10):
Yeah, yeah, totally. It could be that. And you can also connect the personal talk to the small talk. How about the weather? It’s really hot today and the person says, oh yeah, no, I hate that. It’s so hot out today. Oh, okay, well that could open the door to a personal question then. Oh, what’s your favorite type of weather? What makes you like that more than that? And then you can go from there to where would you like to live if you could live anywhere. And you start to know them on a more personal level. So we’re trying to find where’s the point of contact and what doors is God opening for us to go deeper in the relationship?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:47):
Alright, what’s the next level?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (12:48):
Next level is spiritual. And this is often a step of faith. This is when you generally have some level of personal connection with the individual. There’s a degree of trust that’s been established. And then we want to talk about things that pertain to those bigger questions in life. Spiritual matters. It could be what do you believe, what faith background do you come from? Even if it’s no faith at all, or what they would say is no faith. Or it could be things like what gives you hope in life? What gets you excited about your future and what do you think life is about? The things that go beyond the day-to-day and kind of touch on the meta level of life and sort of reveal what people’s core convictions actually are.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:36):
Then you listen to them talk about where they are spiritually and that what you hear them say will probably help you in going into the fourth stage of talk. Yeah,

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (13:49):
Exactly. Which

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:50):
Is

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (13:51):
Gospel. We ultimately are going in the direction of the good news of Jesus Christ, and we want to get there at the pace of the relationship. So it’s really easy to jump right there and confront people with the gospel and give them an ultimatum more or less. But we know that many cases that doesn’t work in our favor. So if you can do it in five minutes, great. If you can do it in 50 years, that might just be the pace of that person’s heart being open to Christ in you. But the gospel conversation is where we make the full explicit presentation of what it means to know Jesus and to receive him as your savior.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:35):
So having conversations with people is a very biblical strategy. We find many different conversations that Jesus had with people. What are some of the principles that you pull out of the different conversations that Jesus had with people?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (14:50):
Yeah. Well, I think the main one is what you just touched on, different conversations. He related to everyone at their level. He didn’t have a prepackaged one size fits all, gospel summary, but he got to know the person and even through the revelation of the Holy Spirit to have a deeper insight into what that person’s needs were. And so one example I love of course is the woman at the well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:18):
Yeah, from John chapter four.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (15:19):
Yeah. Just a famous example of the compassion of Jesus, the boldness of Jesus, but also his willingness to engage with this woman, with what she understood. And being a Samaritan woman and having their own religious system and the huge tension and division with the Jews, Jesus was willing to go there and to not only hear what she said, but also to guide her in the ways that she was misunderstanding and point her towards himself, but the true Messiah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:50):
And then Jesus really went through these different stages of talk. He started

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (15:55):
With

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:56):
Small talk. He said, Hey, would you give me a drink? He’s sitting by a well, so what would be more natural? Then say, give me a drink. And then he goes into personal talk and says, go call your husband. And then he has this word of knowledge. You have no husband, the man you’re with is not your husband. And then he takes them into spiritual talk, talking about living water. And she says, where can I find this living water? And then she says, I’ve heard that Messiah is coming, and he reveals himself to her, says I who speak to you, am he?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (16:26):
Yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:27):
And so he takes it to the gospel.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (16:31):
That’s exactly it. That’s perfect. And we’re really not reinventing the wheel by setting things up the way they are. We’re just using the example of Jesus and the way that God has created us as humans, how to truly get to someone’s heart in the timeframe that we don’t know how long it will take, but we trust that God as we’re seeking him, will lead us there and show us which steps to take along the way.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:55):
And so how did Jesus differ in some of his other conversations? What did he do differently?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (17:01):
Yeah. Well, again, back to the point that every person’s coming from a different place. And so we think about the religious leaders who should have been the people who would recognize him first. This is the Messiah we’ve been waiting for who was spoken enough in the scriptures, but they didn’t. They were perhaps the hardest in heart. And Jesus was confronting their hardness. And you can imagine a modern example of that would be people in the church who have grown up in the church, they can recite Bible verses and you’re not convinced that they actually know who Jesus is. There’s no fruit. There’s no passion to live for Christ’s glory. But there’s resistance, perhaps hostility. Sometimes we have to confront those things with the truth. And we don’t always flip tables or whip people with cords as Jesus did, but we do have to know this conversation’s going to start at a different point. Whereas the Samaritan woman, she’s coming from another place, Nathaniel a guy who is a doubter, and Jesus just makes an open invitation for him to follow. But he also speaks to something that’s true in Nathaniel that other people weren’t picking up on. Jesus knew that this is a man in whom there is no deceit. And Jesus had some revelation from the Spirit, of course, to show him things about Nathaniel that he was like, how do you know this? That’s crazy. But yeah, there’s a bunch of different examples.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:34):
How do you know this? I’ve been telling everyone I never lie.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (18:37):
I know and here they are doubting me. No. But yeah, Jesus was patient. I think he took the time to know the people and meet them where they were. He was never rushing through a gospel presentation, but he was very clear in that he wanted to get there.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:54):
And then you have the example of the sinner in the sycamore tree. Zach,

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (18:59):
Yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:00):
Who’s up in the tree. Jesus looks at him and calls him by name and just says, Zacchaeus, I’m coming to your house today.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (19:07):
And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:08):
The crowd was stunned because they knew that he was a thief and that he had been overcharging people on their taxes. And so they wanted Jesus to rebuke him, to wave his finger at him and say, you good for nothing thief. You’re going to hell. But that’s not what Jesus did. He says, Hey, I’m coming over to your house. Let’s have dinner together.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (19:27):
And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:28):
The Bible doesn’t really give us much of the first part of their conversation, but Jesus must have said something significant because by the end, Zach Kieus completely repented and said, if I’ve ever stolen anyone from anyone, I’m going to give it back four times.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (19:44):
Yeah,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:45):
Totally. And so Jesus just showed he cared by listening to him and eating with him. And I think sometimes just having a meal with someone is a great way to be able to open up a deeper conversation.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (20:01):
I’m a huge believer in that, and I think that in this generation, specifically in Western countries, which are individualistic, young people are so disconnected and they’re just dying to have a loving community around them, but they don’t know what that looks like anymore. And I do believe hospitality will save the West that the more that Christians see that and practice it and live it, which is uncomfortable, it’s risky, it’s costly. You don’t know when you invite strangers to your table or people from very different walks of life. It’s going to be an investment emotionally, financially and whatnot. But the more that we are able to do this, the glory of God based on the commands and the guidance that God gives us in scripture, hospitality will win the hearts of those that no one else is winning. Right now,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:00):
You have identified several different spiritual conditions

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (21:04):
To

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:05):
Look for in relationships. Talk us through some of those different spiritual conditions that we might find people in.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (21:12):
So that’s one thing. We use kind of a grid of six main categories of people that we will encounter as we’re sharing the gospel as we’re going through life and opening up to these spiritual conversations. The first and the most distant would be the disbeliever. The person who understands Christianity to a degree, they’ve heard about the gospel, but they are hostile against it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:40):
So this might be the hardcore atheist, someone who is actively, maybe they were in a church when they were younger

Speaker 5 (21:48):
And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:49):
They’ve decided that it’s all hogwash and they’re sometimes very bitter and just say, I hate God and I don’t even believe he exists.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (21:58):
Yeah. It could be that, and it could also be the softer agnostic who says, you know what? That’s great. I had some time in the church and I realized it’s too narrow. It’s just not for me. And I don’t think it will ever be Jesus, but you, we get a lot of that in today’s culture as well.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:17):
Yeah, that sounds very Canadian too.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (22:20):
Oh yeah. Yeah. Very Canadian and very postmodern.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:24):
You do you I’ll do me. Just don’t bother me. Definitely don’t

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (22:27):
Proselytize. Keep it to yourself. And so the disbeliever often seems like the most difficult person to reach, and many times they can be. But also we’ve seen with enough sharing of the gospel that oftentimes it just takes attention, care, and love, and the hard exterior begins to come down and they realize that you’re not against them. The people we maybe in the past who they’ve known. So that’s the first person that we talk about. The next is the doubter. This is the person who’s maybe a bit more open-minded, but they have so many ideas contrary to Jesus and the gospel, that they just have too many questions, too many unresolved things in their own experience of life and faith and the teachings of Christianity just don’t make sense to them. So yeah, they’ll talk about it, but it’s always from a position of trying to find the holes, trying to see how Christianity might not be the way. And I really like these people because they’re oftentimes very honest. They’re not dismissive like the disbeliever, but they’re also not just going to believe anything you say.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:42):
Okay,

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (23:43):
Yeah. What’s next? Then we have the observer, and I think we see a lot of these people, well, we used to see a lot of these people in our churches physically, but now we see them more online and more in those conversation spaces. Maybe Christian clubs and universities or Christian events that happen in public, they’ll go and watch because interested or they’ll listen to sermons. They’ll even listen to worship music online. I see that a lot, atheist or agnostics that just feel this draw towards what Christians offer as far as teaching and music and all that. And they’re interested,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:22):
And they may even label themselves as Christian without actually believing in a lot of the things that Christians would typically believe in.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (24:31):
I would say. So yeah, that would be an observer who’s a bit more plugged in where they feel like they belong to the Christian community. So they identify with the title, but it could even be someone who identifies as a Muslim or a Buddhist, but they say, I’m really interested in what this Christianity stuff is all about, and I think I’ll stick around and learn, but don’t expect me to get up after an altar call or anything like that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:59):
And then your next level would be the seeker.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (25:02):
Yes, the seeker. And this is the individual who is noticing that there’s something missing in their life and they’re trying to find whatever this higher power or experience or truth is that can satisfy. And they’ve often gone through a variety of other belief systems or even substance use things to try to connect them to something bigger than themselves.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (25:30):
So maybe they spent some time believing in astrology or crystals. I’ve met a lot of people like that. They’ve tried out different that they’d say, I’m very spiritual. I don’t really know what’s out there, but I want to believe, and I’m very spiritual.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (25:47):
That would be a person. But the seeker for us would also be someone who’s a bit more intentional about going in the direction of, tell me more about this Jesus. Because there can be people who have that disposition who are more doubters observers, spiritual, not religious, but the seeker. They’re going after it. They’re putting in the work. And I love to disciple those kind of people because they’re coming at you with so many real honest things and they truly want to get to the bottom of it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:21):
And then you have the believer.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (26:24):
So that would be the person who knows that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, the person who has received and seen their desperate need for his forgiveness of their sins and is alive in Christ, filled with the spirit and living a life that is in the direction of glorifying God. Now we know there’s a whole spectrum of perhaps the most lukewarm, I don’t know where the cutoff line is, only God does to the most zealous and the most committed, but the believer is the person that we understand is a brother or sister in Christ who we will live together forever with.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:06):
And then your final stage is the disciple.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (27:09):
Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:11):
Describe an ideal disciple.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (27:14):
It’s interesting that we kind of separate the believer and the disciple because in many senses, the believer might be going in the direction of unbelief, and they’re not really that invested in their faith, but they still believe they’re still in it. But the disciple is the person who we see that is actively daily desiring the apprenticeship of Jesus to become more like Christ. And so this is the person who sees well, who reads the word of God, who builds their life on the foundation of God’s truth, and they want to live out what the word asks of us. And so an ideal disciple to me is just simply someone who’s humble, who you can tell they’ve died to their selves and they want to learn and grow to be more like Christ. It’s very simple. It has a million implications, but that’s just the core essence of what we’re hoping for.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:11):
As I’m thinking about these different spiritual conditions, I really remember the parable that Jesus told about the farmer who went out to sow seed in different fields. And there’s a lot of parallels there. Some of the seed fell on hard ground. Maybe that’s the disbeliever, and Satan is coming and stealing the seeds.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (28:33):
And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:33):
Then some people, there’s been thorns, so they’re like a doubter, but these thorns have grown up around them and caused these doubts. But then you have the good ground, and this is someone who might be a seeker. And then with the good ground, you have some that produces 30 some, 60, some a hundred fold. And so you have those different levels of people that are responding to the gospel, becoming a believer, then becoming a disciple.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (29:05):
Yeah. Yeah. I would say that’s a really, really good parallel for sure. And we see it going beyond that too, that even in the believer’s life, God could be depositing seeds of the kingdom, but in that stage of life, they’re just closed off. And that truth or that calling from the Lord will not bear fruit even though they’re a believer. And then the other disbeliever could actually have gone through a season where they’re so broken by something or something massive changed in their lives, and now they’re open to this idea of God, and then the seed comes at the right time. It could be you could be me, it could be anyone listening to this podcast that God uses to see a disbeliever become a full fledged disciple very quickly because they were ready. And I think that’s why we have to be ready no matter who we’re meeting on this scale or these categories, just be ready to scatter the seed. That I think is the biggest takeaway.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:03):
God doesn’t call us to grow the harvest. He calls us to be farmers, to go out and scatter seed

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (30:09):
And be surprised at the growth. It is a miracle. We plant someone else waters

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:15):
And then God gives the

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (30:16):
Growth and we’re just amazed by it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:18):
Alright, and so then there are four core skills

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (30:22):
That

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (30:23):
You teach that help people with their outreach conversations. So first you want to connect with people, then you want to tell your faith story, then you want to share Christ’s story, and then you want to give them God’s word. So let’s talk through these four core skills and how you help people to develop in each of those skills.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (30:44):
Sure. Yeah. So the first skill connect, very simple. We go with what’s called the grid model. It’s kind of like who are the people that you are already connected to and them personally, you know them by name, they’re probably people you see on a weekly basis, maybe biweekly at minimum. And we want you to know who these people are who don’t know Christ, so that you can see the way that God has intentionally put you in their lives. I find it really interesting. There’s often a lot of people that we know that we’ve never really considered them as someone that God wants us to share the gospel with. I’ve been a young adults pastor and I worked with a lot of university students, and a lot of them never really saw their classmates or especially their teachers as someone that they could ever share the gospel with. Why would God want me to share with them? Maybe my youth pastor or someone else will do it. A Christian club leader will do it, but me, it’s like, yeah, God has given you a grid. He’s given you favor, he’s given you trust, and it’s our responsibility to use that, of course, to lead people to Christ.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (31:59):
So your first skill is to connect with people. How do you recommend that people start to connect with people?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (32:05):
Yeah, the central skill with that is be intentional. Know the people, identify the people and be intentional with them. We also have some questions for people to get started if they think, okay, well yes, I know them. Yes, we talk. So what’s next? Well, what do you have in common with them? Begin to build a more connected, deeper relationship based on things you can do together. Shared experiences, how can you pray for them? That’s another question. Do you actually know what’s going on in their lives? To the degree that you can pray specific prayers for them, whether it’s for their family, for their work, for their mental health. There’s so many ways. The next is how can you serve them? God has given all of us gifts and abilities, and we are called to use that to bless others. And so look for ways that you can go out of your way to bless them. Finally, what can you give not only tangible assets, but also what gifts? What spiritual strengths has God given you that you can share in their lives, ultimately leave their lives in a better place because of your investment? We would say those four simple questions. If you can answer all of those and act on them with any individual on your grid, you’ll be in better shape than most people. As far as building a healthy, intentional relationship.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (33:33):
When I think about connecting with people, I think of some of our friends who live here in Tulsa, who are from Afghanistan. We had a lot of refugees from Afghanistan that came here, 800 different families. And so we started to develop relationships with some of them. And when they first came as refugees, we were helping them to find jobs and get driver’s license. And there was one girl who was pregnant, so my wife was helping take her to the doctor for her appointments, for her baby. And so we were looking for ways, what did we have in common with them? How can we pray for them? How can we serve them? And then looking for ways to give to them. And so building that connection. And in these Afghans, they’re all Muslim,

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (34:19):
But

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:19):
We’re looking for ways to connect with them,

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (34:22):
Putting yourself out there. And it’s actually beautiful because Muslim people who move to North America, they’re often shocked by how individualistic we are and seemingly disconnected, and they’re used to a very warm, very familial culture. And so when they can come here and see that we as members of the church, as part of the body of Christ are willing to go outside of our comfort zone, our cultural norm, and be like a family to them, it’s amazing. It completely surprises them.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (34:58):
The second skill that you teach is tell your story. How do you help people to tell their gospel story?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (35:06):
So you can imagine you’re deepening your relationship from small talk. Personal talk is getting to the spiritual level. People seem to be open to hearing about what you believe, what gives you hope in life. And so we want to equip people to show the proof is in the pudding. We don’t just believe in God because it makes sense intellectually, but we actually have a story. We have experiences with God that verify that he is real and that he is worth believing in. So we make it really simple for people to share their story. First, we talk about this big idea. What are you trying to convey to this person? We talk about telling your story. For most of us, we’re trying to show that there was a point in my life where I did not know Christ or I was far from Christ. And through some means I was able to get to know him personally, and he changed everything.

(36:01):
So God changed my life. That’s kind of the big idea we want people to know. So we break that down into three different stages. The first stage is your life before Christ. So why did you need Christ? What was your life like? What major problem or challenge or confusion were you experiencing? And then we give people a list of words to help describe that in one word. What would you describe your life as before Christ? Secondly, how did you come to Christ? We all have a story of the time or day or process by which we knew that Jesus is Lord. And so how did that happen? We give people again, a list of words and small sentences to describe how you came to know Jesus. And then thirdly, what difference does he make today? So what is your life like now because of Christ?

(36:55):
And then one word to describe that. So once people choose this word or short sentence for each of those stages, they can break down their story into honestly a 10 or 15 second thing, which is enough to grab people’s attention and allow people to identify with you. For me, I say my life before Christ was addicted. I had so many addictions, so many things going on, but I came to know Christ through a crisis as a result of that crisis, and me realizing that Jesus is Lord and him saving my life today, my life is pure. It is just full of the purity of God. And those sound like three pretty disparate things like addiction, crisis, purity that doesn’t really add up. And so that 10, 15 second presentation can open the door into a longer development of each of those stages and telling the full story if you have enough time.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (37:51):
Yeah, I really like the idea of telling your story because no one can argue with it. It’s your story.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (37:58):
Yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (37:59):
If you give them a verse or a fact, then there’s room for argument. But you say, this is what happened to me.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
That’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (38:06):
Your experience. Your life is what you know. And so you are able to share with people in a way that there maybe won’t be so argumentative. And then one of the things that you say that I really like is that it’s better to spend most of the time actively listening to the other person in order to understand. And so I think one of the mistakes a lot of people make when they’re witnessing is they get this script and they have these stories going to share and they just jump into it. And it’s actually a really powerful technique to listen to people, to hear where they’re at, and then allow the Holy Spirit to guide you in what you say to their situation.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (38:51):
Yeah, that’s perfect. And that’s definitely the deeper, more intentional level that we want people to get to. So you have your basic story, how you would tell it. Generally speaking to any group, if you were just asked on a whim, tell it. Okay, here’s my main points. However, we know that our stories are far more complex and beautiful, but also there’s a lot more going on that we could share about. And so if you know have a variety of struggles in your past that Christ set you free from, or Christ healed for you, and you’re meeting someone who’s really struggling in one of those particular areas, it wouldn’t necessarily be the first one that you’d share. But you also have experience there too. Well, God just opened the door for you to show how the same way that he met your needs, he can also meet theirs.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:40):
And when you listen to someone, you’re actually earning the right to be heard.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (39:48):
Yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:48):
Here in the United States, we have the first amendments, which gives you the right to free speech,

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (39:54):
Which

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (39:54):
Is great, but just because you speak doesn’t mean anyone’s going to listen to you. Often they don’t want to listen to

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (40:00):
You,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (40:01):
But by listening to them, then you earn the right to be heard. When you start to share your story, you show you care for people. Someone said that no one cares how much until they know how much you

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (40:12):
Care.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (40:12):
And so by listening, you are showing that you care about their story, and you earn the right then to share your story and what God has done in your life.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (40:21):
Yeah, a hundred percent. And that’s why I think this relational conversational model, it’s so essential for every follower of Christ because that’s built into it. To have a relationship, you have to hear people, you have to know who they are, what they want, what makes them happy, what gives them what makes them feel fearful. And when you get the accumulation of all this knowledge and connection with them, you’re way better equipped to talk about Christ rather than a really professional summarized portrayal of Jesus. You’re going based on the individual’s needs.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:02):
Alright, then skill number three, you want to share Christ’s story?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (41:07):
Yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:07):
What does that look like?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (41:09):
Yeah, so more important than our own story is of course the story of Jesus because we wouldn’t have a story if it wasn’t for him. We wouldn’t have life if it wasn’t for him. So how do we become good at sharing Jesus? The big thing

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:22):
For, I really like the story of Philip, the evangelist in Acts chapter eight, when he was with the Samaritans. It says he preached Christ to them and then he meets the Ethiopian eunuch on the road. And again, the story specifically points out that he spoke about Christ to him.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (41:40):
And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (41:40):
So you start with your story, but then there has to come a time where you bring Christ into this story.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (41:47):
Yeah, exactly. Who is this Jesus that saved you? And we really want to make it a personal telling of Jesus that we’re not just communicating theological truths or summarizing biblical stories or even quoting that many Bible verses, because a lot of people doesn’t really matter to them. We know there’s power in the word of God, but we of course have to prepare people to want to hear the word of God. So we want to share Jesus as our best friend, as the most important person in our lives, the person of Jesus, and talk about him and how we relate to him on a personal level. And so on our worksheet, we go through what are five categories of Jesus’s life that will help express how he can be a best friend and not just a theological idea to other people. So we talk about his personal life.

(42:39):
Jesus was born in Bethlehem. He lived in a specific region of the world. He was born into a family where his father was a carpenter and he himself learned the trade. Jesus was a person. A lot of people can relate to that. I worked as a carpenter. Relationships. Who did Jesus have in his life? He had siblings, he had family, he had friends. He had his community, his Jewish community. I mean, there’s so much you can say about him, his influence, his credentials like Philip did. Philip gave the prophetic truth about Jesus and Isaiah and through the whole scriptures for telling who he is and the major events of his life. What did Jesus live through? What did he do historically verifiable so that we could know who he is on a personal level,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (43:31):
And then Jesus is coming again. And so you talk about that. Are you ready for when Jesus comes again?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (43:39):
Yes, exactly. And there’s of course a lot of really important details about Jesus’ life that proves or tells that he’s our Lord and Savior. We talk about his miraculous birth, we talk about his ministry, the miracles he performed and how he amazed so many thousands, tens of thousands of people during his life. We talk about his death, how significant his death was on a Roman cross and what it meant for us on a spiritual level, the forgiveness of our sins, the perfect sacrifice that the sacrificial system could never provide or fulfill. And then his resurrection and ascension and how all of these things together show that he is actually the one true God. He is the way, the truth and the life. He is one with the Father. And that no other religious system or worldview could provide the, it’s more than security, but that could provide just the comprehensiveness of the gospel of Jesus Christ to build your entire life on it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (44:46):
And then how do you bring people to a point of decision

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (44:51):
To

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (44:52):
Where they’re saying yes to Jesus?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (44:55):
Yeah. So we as a ministry, we have our resources that we talked about earlier, the Hope and Spark magazine. And in the back of those magazines we have this summary of what it means to receive Christ as your savior. It’s literally on the back page. It goes through these three main ideas that God loves you. Everyone has to know that God loves them to be drawn to God of course. And what he did for us, we talk about how all are sinners, which is also very much a part of the Romans road approach to summarizing the good news and what we’re being saved from. And then we talk about God’s plan to save us and what God did by sending his only Son Jesus to actually make a way for us to be with him. And so we know that people are going to present the gospel in a variety of ways and use particular scriptures that they’ve come to love and have significance in their lives. But we just really want to make sure that when people present the gospel, that they do talk about this desire, this longing that God has always had to be with us. What prevented him from being with us was our sin and what he did to take care of that problem so that we could be freed from death and give an eternal life.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (46:17):
And so I like the word commitment. You ask people

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (46:20):
To

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (46:20):
Make a commitment to follow Christ. And then the fourth skill is to give God’s word. And this is something that your organization excels at.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
You’ve

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (46:31):
Been giving God’s word for decades, and so you love giving God’s word. But what are some of the resources that you have that can help people give God’s word? I know you have an app and some other ideas and ways that people can give more of God’s word to people.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (46:50):
Certainly. So as we already covered these hope and Spark magazines are kind of our two flagship resources that we give to virtually every church that we work with uses them. There are a few unique cases where we work in some closed countries that they can’t actively distribute the word of God the same way. So we work with audio Bibles and other things and partnership with other ministries, but we also have resources for things like prison ministry, working with people who are living in addiction or people who are unhoused so that we have a deeper look into the book of Romans justification. What does it mean for God to declare you innocent, even though you might be seen as guilty by the world? We also have a magazine called The Light and where we talk about Jesus being the light of the world. And we found that certain cultural backgrounds, particularly indigenous peoples, people from India, even certain groups, Chinese groups, that talking about this true light, this pure light, the goodness that is represented by it, it really resonates with them culturally speaking.

(48:01):
And so it allows us to share the gospel more effectively. But we also have our digital resources. We have currently nine short articles addressing very specific topics like depression, anxiety, loneliness, greed, things that people wrestle with on a personal level. And we show how the word of God speaks to that through these articles that you can easily download on your phone and send to someone in two seconds all the way across the world if you want. Beyond that, we have our New Life Bible app, and that is the complete Bible, and I think it has hundreds of languages right now. We also have on that some kind of topical Bible studies and even a find a church near you so that churches that we partner with that we’ve seen as trusted and true places to get discipled, we include all that in there so people can have a kind of one-stop shop application.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (49:00):
And so for the app, if they go to the iTunes library or on Android, how can they find it? What would they type in?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (49:11):
Yeah, just type in New Life Bible app. It should come up. It’s the icon of it is this kind of black square with a few other colors in it. I’ll pull it up on my phone right now just to, it’s been a long time since I’ve searched for it, but I’m assuming it’s still the top one that comes up.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (49:32):
Yeah, that’s always important to be able to find apps that people have. Alright, well those four skills. Connect with people, tell your story, share Christ’s story and give God’s word. Absolutely tremendous. And I think giving God’s word is really the answer to the question is how do you follow up on a new believer?

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (49:53):
Well,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (49:54):
The key is getting them into God’s word.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (49:57):
Yeah. And it’s been amazing, even these spark books that we have, we have such a desire from young people, from children and preteens that are so curious and interested about learning about God. They want to keep meeting with other kids and go through this book together. So we’re starting to see these little clubs forming like we want to call them Spark clubs or Spark groups, that we can gather children locally so that they can come to know Christ. And then many times their parents who drop them off also want to listen in. We’re seeing this happen all across Latin America and a lot of other nations, even in North America now and beyond who are requesting, can we do these spark gatherings as well? We have all these kids that want to learn, but where do we gather them? And so many, many things are happening. I mean, I could go on for ages about the miracles that we’re seeing and God opening up governments in previously closed countries, communist countries that are asking us to give our resources to every child in the country, millions of scripture resources that we are printing to distribute for those needs.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (51:06):
Well, tell us again how to find out more information about Share Word global and how people can get connected with you.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (51:17):
Yeah, so www.sharewordglobal.com. That will be the first and best place to go to explore it and see what we do there. Please, if you’re interested in anything that I said and bringing this to your church, because we offer our training for free, it’s a service that we love to give to the local church to mobilize and equip your people. I myself was a pastor and I wish I knew about Share word Global while I was pastoring because I would’ve loved that for our people. But yeah, you can send me an email, jordan@sharewordglobal.com, and I can answer any further questions you might have in any way that we can come and serve your church.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (51:58):
Well, Jordan, thank you so much for sharing the depth of expertise that you have on evangelism. It would bless any local church that wants to get their people fired up about sharing their faith. So Jordan, thank you so much for being on the Evangelism Podcast.

Jordan Chanin – ShareWord Global (52:17):
Yeah, it was a huge pleasure. Thank you for the time, Daniel, and just for being an amazing, gracious host.

Evangelism Podcast Host (52:22):
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Evangelism Coach Daniel King (53:24):
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Tyrella Smith | Gospel Fire for All Nations

Tyrella Smith was one of my students at the Christ for All Nations Evangelism Bootcamp. Since then she has preached to thousands of people in Tanzania and Zambia. Now she is planning a major stadium event in the middle of Canada. She is an on-fire evangelist who is ready to light a Gospel fire all over the world.

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Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:03):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me, Terrell Smith. Thank you for joining me on the Evangelism Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
It’s such an honor. Dr. King. Yes.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:16):
You were one of my students at, that’s correct. The Christ for All Nations Evangelism Bootcamp. Yeah. Led by Evangelist Daniel Kolinda <laugh>. And you were in the first That’s right. Graduating class of the Evangelism Bootcamp. Yes. And so tell me, what has God done in your life since you were there at the bootcamp?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, first of all, I just wanna say it’s such an honor. Dr. King was one of my teachers and one of my favorite teachers. You gave amazing homework that really helped prepare us for where, where we are all working and where we’re all headed. But since being in the bootcamp, I did three Decapolis Crusades, two in Tanzania, and then the last one was in Zambia. And that was amazing. So I actually got to preach on Delos in the city of Kassam and just all of the tools that we, we needed to identify the storytelling proclamation and then actually moving into signs, wonders and miracles. I mean, we learned that at, at the bootcamp and from this amazing teacher. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:24):
Well, thank you. So Deus is mm-hmm. <Affirmative> from the, the region in the New Testament where there were 10 cities. 10 cities. And so the idea is that Christ for All nations goes into a country mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and does multiple events in multiple cities at the same time. Yeah. And so all of the graduates from the Evangelism Bootcamp, they go in and help Yeah. To organize the events. And, and, and then as they become competent in sharing the gospel mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, then they get to actually get up on the platform and, and preach hundred percent. So what was that like? You got to stand mm-hmm. <Affirmative> in, in front of a sea of people, see thousands of people. Did you ever imagine that you would do something like that?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, I had had prophetic dreams from the Lord. And in 2018 I was invited by Christ for All nations to go to a crusade in Port Harcourt, Nigeria. And I remember watching this happen and saying to myself, why am I here? And God spoke to me and he said, I need you to see what you’re going to be doing one day. And so that was the first time I ever saw a crusade lie. And the passage that God put on my heart was when when Jacob put his flocks in front of the water, he put stripe, he put speckled, and then they bore fruit according to what they saw. And so as we’re on de capitalist, as we’re at school, as I was at the crusade, God was teaching me to see what I would be able to produce in him through the power of the Holy Spirit, through good training.

(02:56):
And so, you know, we learned how to do just like He the work of an evangelist. So that’s the prep work. And we do 80% of that before we even get to the microphone. And then here we are standing in front of the microphone and we’re standing in front of a sea of people, and every single one of them is a single person on the field. And it’s like Jesus is standing them, standing there with them as if they’re the only one. And so as you’re preaching, you’re preaching at with a point, you’re preaching with a spear and asking God to use those words to pierce the heart and bring a whole multitude to Christ as if they were the only person on the field. And it was, it was incredible. And just to be there in that moment, catching a net of fish with the power of goalie spirit. Absolutely. Epic. There’s nothing like it. <Laugh>.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:51):
So let’s talk about the Evangelism Bootcamp. It’s a pretty intense time Oh yeah. Of, of study and learning about God, and then learning about evangelism Yeah. And really sharpening your gospel message. Yeah. What are some of the things that you learned while you were there at boot camp?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Oh, my favorite. Now this has actually transformed my ministry in Canada, and even when I do personal evangelism. And that is the powerful art of storytelling. And Jesus said he never spoke to anyone. He did not speak to the crowds unless he used a parable. And so it’s, I actually remember one class that Dr. King talked about, and I hope that he says this everywhere he goes, but storytelling is like throwing out rubies, diamonds, gold nuggets. And then they, when you tell a story, they trip on the truth of the story and they pick it up and they own it for their, for their very self. So storytelling and then applying the gospel of Jesus Christ, to it turns a light on inside of them, and they own the understanding of that their sinners, that they need a savior and that they can be and filled with the Holy Spirit. So I would say that was the biggest, one of my biggest takeaways was storytelling <laugh>.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:08):
And you were in a full week of my classes. Yes. What are some of the things that you learned from the classes that I taught?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah. So one of the classes that you taught, doc you taught was actually how to go through a passage from top to bottom and actually go back and forth from the passage to application. And so that was really great as well as one of my favorite things was applying the story. And like, Zakia, when you as Zakk came to see Jesus, Jesus came to see Zakia. And today you have come and Jesus has come to meet you. So you are a master at I wanna say expounding through a passage, but also on the application. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:59):
It’s so wonderful that you are a Canadian evangelist. <Laugh>, my wife Jessica is con Canadian. Yes. And both my kids are Canadian. So three quarters of our family are Canadian. And so of course we have king Ministries Canada here. Okay. And so, so many Canadians are, are very generous mm-hmm. <Affirmative> with the gospel and, and have helped to support Amen. The Amen festivals and crusades that we do around the world. And, and so I think God’s raising up a new generation of, of Canadian evangelists mm-hmm. <Affirmative> like Amen. Canada has always sent missionaries out Yes. To many different parts of the world. Yes. but there’s, there’s such a huge need here in Canada for, for more real, genuine evangelists who will proclaim the gospel. You, you’re one, now you’re

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Speaking my language,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:43):
<Laugh>. And so talk to to me about that. What, what do you see God doing here in Canada?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Okay. I’m so like, ugh, such an honor to have that question asked. Because actually after taking the bootcamp, I head off to Tanzania. It is wild. And it’s so busy. And you just need five minutes to yourself with your daughter. You forget who you are. And so I go into my room and I say, Jesus, I just, I just need to hear something from you. And he speaks to me very clearly, and he says, the Great Canadian harvest. And all of a sudden I saw these combines lined up all in a row, whoosh. And they would clear a field, whoosh. They’d clear another field, just absolute unity. And now I’m from the prairies. So, you know, we don’t often see a lot of combines on a field at, at once and certainly not lined up. But I understood what the Lord was saying, and it was this, that the proclamation evangelist has come and is coming back into Canada, and we’re gonna see that renormalize in this season. It’s time to go back to mass salvation within our borders and to renormalize the Canadian evangelist. And we’re starting to see a surgeon’s resurgence of evangelism. Right. We’re seeing everybody’s hungry to talk about Jesus. Right. But there’s a proclamation of the gospel that needs to go out. Like it goes out from the mountains and for people to gather around the sound of God’s words and the power of the Holy Spirit to land on those words. And we’re seeing it now. We’re seeing it now,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:21):
<Laugh>. Yeah, absolutely. And, and, and you are friends with Brad Meyer? Yes. He’s going with me next month to Ethiopia. Amazing. And we’re going to be preaching together there on the fields. Yes. A harvest fields of Ethiopia. And he’s a great evangelist. He’s got a powerful group, a Facebook group encouraging evangelists in That’s right. Canada and around the world. Yes. He really has a, a gift for that. What are some of the things you’ve, you’ve learned from your relationship with, with Brother Brad?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Absolutely. Hands down is compassion. When you see Brad think of him as just an evangelist, but behind the scenes, I’ve watched him weep at the joy of a miracle. Now, many evangelists, they’ll be like a miracle. But when Brad sees a miracle, he’ll often cry and he’ll tell the story because he knows that a miracle changes the life. It’s not just a supernatural power of God, it’s the supernatural power of God applied to a broken life. And so that’s one of the things that we see, I think with Brad, is the personality of, of our God with the power of God. <Laugh>.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:28):
Yeah. So I’m gonna put a, a link to where people can join the, the life group Yeah. Of evangelists. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Because if, if you’re a Canadian evangelist, you really need to get connected with other Canadian evangelists who have a heart mm-hmm. <Affirmative> for the gospel. So what are some of the things that God’s put on your heart coming up? What mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, what are some of the outreaches that you’re gonna do here in the next Yes. Few months and, and years.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yes. <laugh>, thank you for asking. So one thing that God has really spoken to my heart, and I really wish I had it here right now, but you can see it online is I said to God, I feel like it’s time for the proclamation of the gospel to go out. And I had been thinking about Sastel Center since 2018. And so last spring I said, God, like if this is you, if you wanna see Sast Health Center filled with people hearing the gospel, I said, you put something in my hands today and I’m a hundred percent in, I’ll do it. But if you don’t, I’m a hundred percent out and I will never think of it again for as long as I live. And within an hour a gentleman came up to me and he put two photos in my hands. One was Billy Graham preaching in Sastel Center, and the other was a picture of the promo.

(10:45):
Nobody knew what I’ve prayed. And I said, okay, God, we’re in. So since then we set the date June 2nd through fourth in Saskatoon, at Sastel Center Stadium. Wow. And we have Charity Gale coming. And one of the other things is we had a farmer show up and he said, Terrell, he says, I’ve got a problem. I said, brother, tell me cuz he was the donor. And so we’re gonna pray for him cuz it’s about partnership. Right. And he says, well, I’ve got all this grain and I gotta move my grain. So now I’m thinking, okay, I need to pray into the marketing. Cause you gotta market your grain. I have to pray into the shipping or whatever, and I’m just starting to calculate how I’m gonna pray for this brother. And he says, no, you don’t understand. He says, I need to give you this grain.

(11:29):
I said, bro, what am I gonna do with grain? I grow grass. I’m not a farmer. Right. And he says, no. He says, you’re gonna sell this grain. And so we sell it, and it was enough for the price of the stadium. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And then another person another ministry came and I said, you know, I really feel like God’s telling us to get Charity, Yale to come because she’s not a worship entertainer. She is a worshiper worshiper. Right. And I could not get through to save my life. I couldn’t get through. And so now I’m in Zambia and I’m with this incredible evangelist Rachel Smith, which is funny. We Oh,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:08):
Yeah. Rachel Smith is a great woman of God. She’s

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Amazing, she’s wonderful. And so we’re in Zambia together, we’re having a great time. She says, Terrell, tell me about your event. And I said, well, I feel like I’m supposed to get Charity Gale, but I can’t get through it. And she says, well, listen, I got you. That’s my worship leader’s best friend <laugh>. And then this other ministry steps up and says, I’m gonna pay for the whole bill. Wow. So we still need to raise $200,000, but we’re on the go and we’re just gonna keep moving because Jesus is moving. And people want to gather, not for any big logos or egos, but just to calm into the presence of the Lord and bring somebody else to meet ’em. And that’s just where we’re at. This thing is gonna wrap the ca the, the country is gonna just be wrapped with the gospel

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:57):
And fire. Amen. Well, I believe that this will be the first of many amazing outreaches across the nation of

Speaker 2 (13:04):
God’s doing it Canada.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:05):
He’s doing it. And so if someone’s listening and they want to participate, they want to help with some of the cost of this, this great Canadian outreach what is your website? How can they be a part of what God is doing? Or if they want to come and be a part and, and, and thank you, get their church involved or, or get other evangelists involved, how can they contact

Speaker 2 (13:23):
You? Absolutely. So the event is called Come together.day, come together.day. Okay. You can go on there. You can learn all about the event June 2nd through fourth at Sastel Center Stadium in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada. On there you’ll see a donate link. All we need is literally 220 people to give a thousand bucks or 2,200 people to give a hundred bucks so that other people can hear the gospel. And it’s done. It’s done. And we’ll see the kingdom come.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:56):
Amen. And what’s your personal website?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
My personal website is Gospel fire for all nations.org. And you can see come together on there as well. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:06):
Well, let’s finish by praying for the Nation of Canada because I know it’s on your heart, <laugh>. And let’s, let’s pray for, for people to be saved across Canada. Amen. And for God to raise up evangelists across Canada. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
All right. Well, first of all, God, I just want to thank you for Dr. King here in this nation, in these borders. And Lord, I want to thank you for the power of his presence in this nation. And I’m asking God that you release his feet with fire upon our own land, and that you anoint him with great power, Lord, to strengthen this nation when he comes back and as he goes into these other places, strengthen him there as well. And God, we wanna thank you right now in the name of Jesus Christ, that Canada right now is being saved, that you have marked out within our borders, those that you have anointed, that you’ve chosen, that the spirit of God is upon them to preach the gospel to the poor, to bind up the brokenhearted and to set the captives free. And God, I thank you that your eyes are on our nation and that our nation currently right now is being stirred by the power of the Holy Spirit and that you are saving our nation.

(15:14):
Now, God, I thank you even for some of the shakings that we’ve had that has ripened the grain. Help us to mobilize collaboratively, Lord, to see the kingdom of God come in people’s lives. And that heaven would be full in your mighty name, in Jesus’ name, God. People say, come quickly Lord Jesus. And I say, God, wait. Our nation must be saved. Have mercy and bless us, and fill us with fire and with the presence of God and anoint us God, to see every soul saved or hearing the gospel in this season. In Jesus name. Bless us, God bless us and make us a blessing to you. In Jesus’ name. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:55):
Amen. Amen. Canada shall save. Amen. <laugh>, thank you so much for being on the Evangelism Podcast and

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Thank you for everything you do. I really respect your work. God bless you.

 

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Jon “Razz” Laframboise | What is Your Unique Evangelistic Expression?

Jon Laframboise is passionate about bringing Revival Fire to Canada. He serves as a staff evangelist at a local church in Calgary, Alberta. He loves to activate believers to share their faith. On today’s podcast he asks, “What is your Unique Evangelistic Expression?”

Connect with Jon “Razz” Laframboise on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Jon.r.laframboise

 

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me. I am in Calgary, Alberta, up in Canada. And John is a good friend. He’s been a friend for many years, and you’re gonna have to help me with pronouncing your last name. You’re such a good friend. I don’t even know how to say your name.

Jon Laframboise (00:21):
It’s okay. [inaudible]

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:23):
Well, thank you so much for being on the Evangelism Podcast. So you have a calling from God mm-hmm. <Affirmative> from on your life to be an evangelist. That’s right. And you went to Bible school? The same Bible school that my wife went to or that she was associated with the ministry there. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> it was called WIBI. Do you remember what the initials stand for?

Jon Laframboise (00:46):
WEBI stands for World Impact Bible Institute.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:49):
And so it was the Bible School of Pastor Peter Youngren. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, who is an evangelist here in Canada. And he was doing crusades in many different parts of the world. And I actually wanted to learn from him as a young evangelist. And so I called up his office and said, can I come and meet with you? And he said, I’d love to meet with you, but not here in Canada. Come with me to Africa. And so I went with him to Congo, Africa. And at that time my wife Jessica was working for Pastor Peter as a crusade director. As a festival director. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And so she was organized, the festival and everything. And so that’s where me and my wife met. And so you knew my wife ever since the, the webi days.

Jon Laframboise (01:35):
That’s right. Yeah. So she started working for Peter Youngren at the tail end of my time at the Bible School. And then I went to, in Indonesia as a missionary. And that’s, she actually came through Indonesia with Peter Young’s ministry organizing a festival, healing festival. And she stayed with us for a few days in Indonesia.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:52):
And so tell me a little bit about the ministry that you did while you were there in Indonesia.

Jon Laframboise (01:56):
So a lot of it started off just going from village to village. You know, doing these well house to house stuff, smaller house meetings and whatever else. But then we wanna do something a little bigger, a little bit more impact. So we started going villages. I bought a portable sound system that we just bring with us, you know, portable, you know, but bring it with us to different villages. And started doing healing festivals or crusades and just started preaching the gospel and praying for people, seeing people getting healed. So they just, and from there it just, the reputation just kind of grew and grew and grew and grew. And even before the tsunami that happened in 2005 or four we actually went to Acce where the province where it happened, you know, and then we got kicked out pretty quickly. They weren’t sold under Muslim Sri law, you know, they drove us out. But it just kept on going in as much as you could, trying to just preach Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:47):
So you are a Canadian evangelist. That’s right. And you are here in Canada and evangelism is different in every different part of the world. Kind of talk to me about how evangelists are received here in Canada.

Jon Laframboise (03:02):
Well, it’s so funny as like a city like Calgary, you know, you know, the reception will change from person to person. We are a massively multicultured city, you know, so I always say, like, joke around saying, if your city is predominantly Caucasian, then you’re not reaching our city. You know, we have a lot of Africans, we have a lot of Middle Eastern people, we have a lot of Southeast Asians, we have a lot of, you know, Canadians, if you put it that way. So there’s, it’s a, it’s a wide reach. So it depends on what sector of the city. For example, in our city of Calgary, but even in Canada as well, much like the us, lots of vary cultures. So the, lately now we’re seeing within the church, the evangelistic ministry being more and more accepted, more realizing like, oh, we are needed for years and past.

(03:45):
It was almost the, you know, the outcast son, if you would like, yeah, we know you’re part of us, but let’s hold you at bay because we don’t quite trust you yet. But now there’s been a lot of reconciliation in churches in terms of the different evangelistic ministries, you know, and more of an acceptance of it. But even so, the ministry of it, outside the four walls of the church it’s when done right, if I could put it that way. It’s widely well received, I think, where if we really focus on that Roman two force, the goodness of God, that leads people to repentance. You know, when we share the real, true, genuine, raw love of Jesus and not the preconceived notion of the world thinks Jesus is, it’s pretty well received.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:24):
I think it’s really neat what God has done here in Canada, cuz there are so many different nations and cultures mm-hmm. <Affirmative> that have moved here. Canada has been very welcoming to people from many different nations. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And in some ways the mission field has come to Canada. I mean, Canada has always had a heart for missions that the churches of Canada have sent missionaries out mm-hmm. <Affirmative> to many different parts of the world. And now the mission field has come to Canada. And I, I think it would be very valuable for Canadian churches to, to think about it in those terms mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and think how are we going to reach these people that God has brought to our own backyard? Yep. And so right now you are actually serving as a evangelist at a church mm-hmm. <Affirmative> here in Calgary. That’s right. And so you used to be a full-time evangelist traveling around and, and ministering at a variety of different churches and bringing revival and activating people for evangelism. But about a year ago, God gave you the opportunity to start on, on staff at a church mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. And so what does that look like? Being an evangelist, but fitting into the vision of a local church?

Jon Laframboise (05:31):
At first it was, it was difficult tr to define that and piece it. You know, we’re still defining what that looks like. You know, both my pastor and I, you know, I spent 17 years traveling full-time. He spent several years traveling. So we both had the same attitude, the same mindset of, of of an itinerant ministry. But when it comes down to boiling it down to a local church, you know, he’s a senior leader, the episodic leader, you know, and I’m the evangelist. So it’s we’re still forming what that actually looks like, you know, cause it seems like a new concept really in modern day church. But really what I’m tasked with is creating an evangelistic culture within the, the church. Right. Equipping the believers, you know, for the sake of harvest. You know, and, and really what I’m finding a lot of what I need to do is actually redefine what evangelism looks like to the everyday believer. Cuz a lot of us, we have this, this preconceived notion, whether it’s an early childhood experience or or whatever it is, that you think, oh, when I hear the word outreach or evangelism, it means going door to door and it’s relegated to one particular style, technique or method. And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:36):
So people, when you say evangelism, they think, oh, if, if I’m gonna do evangelism, I have to be willing to go and cold call someone, talk to them Yeah. Without ever having seen them before. Yeah.

Jon Laframboise (06:47):
It, yeah. So really, so it’s, and I see evangelism, it, it breaks outside of the method. You know, I always tell people that I don’t win souls because I’m an evangelist. I win souls because I love Jesus. You know, and evangelism in its most purest form, I would define it this way, that it’s falling so in love with Jesus, that you allow the world to look into the intimacy you have together. You know, when you, when you adopt that as a, the, the foundation of evangelism, it takes away the method, the technique or whatever else. And it just opens up for interpretation of how can I share the love of God with someone, you know, however that looks for you compared to someone else. It, it’s wonderful.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:24):
So as an evangelist who’s on staff at a church helping to activate the church in evangelism, do you think every church should hire an evangelist to be their staff evangelist?

Jon Laframboise (07:35):
Oh, I would love that. I’d be absolutely wonderful. You know, like it’s, God gave the five fold for the equipping, perfecting and the maturing of the saints. Well, it’s hard for a pastor to equip someone in evangelism the same way. It’s hard for a teacher, you know, to equip people to, you know, in, in prophecy or whatever else. It works better when you have that person called to that area to lead someone and train them in that particular area. You know, like evangelists don’t make good pastors, but pastors make great pastors and pastors don’t make good evangelists, you know, and vice versa, apostles, you know? Yeah. They could.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:08):
And sometimes I think there’s an antagonism between people who have a gift of pastoring and people who have a, a gift of the evangelists. But what we need to really understand is that both gifts are needed in the body of Christ. Well, a hundred percent. And, and so what do you think the evangelist brings to a church? What, what does a church need that an evangelist brings?

Jon Laframboise (08:29):
Yeah. What I think an evangelist really does, it breaks down the walls of separation between the world and the church. Now, there is a separation between the two, obviously. But it breaks down the division between the two in terms of, it puts a zeal in believers. There’s a contagious impartation, a contagious zeal, and a passion for the lost where it breaks outside of the, I’m comfortable in the four walls of the church and allows you to go out into the world to actually reach the loss and show the love of Jesus. It really brings an impartation and a zeal and a passion, but also an activation for spiritual gifts, I believe where, you know, in Acts one, eight, you know, and Jesus says, you know, go into the world and you know, or you know, you’ll be, see power. You’ve been my witnesses.

(09:11):
Right? Well, the power of God is, is meant to be a witness. It’s not meant to put on really cool conferences or revival meetings, which those things are great, but it’s meant to be a witness, right? We’re meant to go out into the world with the power to witness of the resurrection of Jesus. And I really believe that the ministry evangelists brings a drive behind that. It really brings a, a forceful, but yet also with gentle pushing outside the four walls of the church to go be the light, go be the salt, you know, go be that lamp that the world needs you to be.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:42):
So you’ve taken teams down to an area of Vancouver mm-hmm. <Affirmative> where there is huge need. So talk to me about what that area in Vancouver looks like, and then how you were able to, to evangelize there.

Jon Laframboise (09:56):
Yeah. So this area, Vancouver’s called East Tasting. It’s in the downtown’s called the downtown East side. So it’s actually right next to Roger’s place, which is where the Vancouver connects place only three blocks away. So it’s interesting where it’s multimillion dollar real estate all around it. But yet is there, is this really concentrated in a three or four block radius where it’s open intravenous drug use, it’s homelessness to the extreme. It’s massive drug and alcohol abuse. It’s, it’s it’s really a deprived area where it seems that they concentrated all these people suffering with addiction to kind of, they, they pushed them all into one area. So it’s, it’s really almost like the armpit of Canada in terms of just like, what’s, how the devil’s run rampant there. So every couple months we would take teams down there and just love on people, pray for them, you know, display the love of God, and, and just also just bringing value, trying to add an element of value to the individual.

(10:54):
Like as one particular person, I’ll never forget this and I just asked ’em how they’re doing, you know, and, you know, good, you know, very short answers. And then and I just asked him, I was like, Hey, like, what’s your story? Like, how did you end up here? And then he asked me, look at me there in the eyes and says, do you really want to know? I said, I will go. Let’s go. I’ll buy you coffee. Let’s go for lunch and share your story with me. And he starts crying and he says this, but seven years since I’ve been able to share my story with someone, seven years since anyone wanted to talk to me, like really have a meaningful conversation with me. And that’s heartbreaking, right? So we’re going down there, we’re listening to these people’s stories and just sharing and imparting the love of the father. And with them, we will pray for them, you know, and those who we see some love of breakthrough, we’ll try to get ’em connected with a local mission that’s down there, or a local recovery center. And seen some level of success in that as well. It’s been absolutely wonderful.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:48):
Earlier when we were talking, you had a, a great idea. It, you it the unique

Jon Laframboise (11:54):
Yeah. Finding your unique evangelistic expression.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:57):
So your unique evangelistic expression, and I think you should trademark that. Yeah. <laugh>, your, your u e e, right? That score. And, and, and so talk to me about that concept. When you go into a church and you’re talking to people about evangelism mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, what does that mean? That, that each person would have a unique evangelism expression.

Jon Laframboise (12:16):
So I don’t feel like, for me, the way that God uses me, like I, I am bold, brash. I don’t mind walking up to a complete stranger and striking up a conversation, maybe having a word of knowledge for him or a word of encouragement for him. And and just going right into it, into that. But that’s not everyone’s cup of tea. Some people hear that and they think, oh gosh, not in a million years uhuh, I have to have like five angels appear to me. Jesus himself has to hold me by the hand and leave me out to do that with someone. But sometimes when you, when you know, train people in evangel, when you teach ’em, that’s the cold call if you would, some people, it turns off a lot of people to it. But when you approach it with the definition I talked about earlier, you know, falling so in love with Jesus, you allow the world to look into the intimacy you have together that opens a door of opportunity for anything.

(13:05):
For example, let’s say that you’re a really good baker. You know, why not ask the Lord what your neighbor’s favorite pie is, or favorite cookie or whatever it is, and bake ’em that particular pie or cook whatever it is that God leads you into. And just knock on the door, Hey, I’m so-and-so, I’m your neighbor. You know, we either you know them, you don’t know them, doesn’t matter. He’s like, I just felt like God wanted me to bake you this pie. Like, do you like apple pie? It’s like, oh, it’s my favorite pie. Like, how do, like, oh, the God told me to bake you this pie. Or you know, or whatever. Maybe you’re really good at hosting parties. You love hosting parties. Invite your neighbors in, you know, just host a really good party and, and get to know them. Be relational with them.

(13:41):
So it’s finding something in a natural that God could put his supernatural dynamic. You know, you look at Moses at the burning bush. God asks Moses, Hey, what’s in your hand? He says, well, God’s his staff. He’s familiar with his staff, you know, shepherds with it. You know, he used as a walking stick, I’m sure probably use it for self-defense. And maybe he has some cool ninja moves he did with it. Who knows, you know, <laugh>. But with this staff that he’s familiar with, God puts a supernatural dynamic behind it. And with it, he delivers an entire nation. So what is it that you’re comfortable with? What is it you’re familiar with that God gca put a supernatural dynamic behind and then use that as an opportunity to preach the gospel or, or bring deliverance to people or healing or whatever else, you know? So it’s finding out how does God use you to preach the gospel?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:28):
One of the unique challenges here in Canada is this concern that has arisen lately about hate speech. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And so in the, the Charter of Rights in Canada, freedom of speech mm-hmm. <Affirmative> is guaranteed mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, but there is concern that you shouldn’t use freedom of speech to, to speak in a hateful manner against someone. And the the hate is a little bit in the ears of the listener. Like if they feel like you’re, you’re saying something like, for example, if, if, if you’re preaching the gospel and they feel condemned by some aspect of, of what you’re saying, they can label that, that hate speech. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So this is a problem across Canada. Yeah. And specifically here in Calgary you have people that are, have been fined mm-hmm. <Affirmative> for what they’ve been saying. What balance do you think evangelists should have in being faithful to the, the truth of the gospel mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, but also not getting fined by the government, you know, banging the laws of the government.

Jon Laframboise (15:31):
Yeah. So a lot of these fines especially here in Calgary, just passes bylaw. Like there’s a hate speech. So it’s, this particular law is just within the confines of Calgary where someone interprets it, something that’s hateful, then it’s, you know, up to a $500 fine. But even as Canada as well, a lot of it is geared towards the l gt Q to I’m, I’m not sure I’ll deal the way you put the, properly put it now. But that community where it’s, there’s an anti conversion therapy bill that’s passed. So if you counsel, if I were as a pastor, were to counsel someone, if even if they come to me saying, Hey, I’m suffering with same sex attraction and I don’t want it anymore. Legally, I can’t counsel that person because, you know, if someone found out that I can get fined and potentially go to jail.

(16:18):
So I think that minister’s, pastor’s, evangelists, absolutely, you gotta stay true to it. But in terms of the out outside the four walls of the church and presenting the gospel, you know, is it says that the holy spirits, the one is gonna convict the world of righteousness, oh, sorry, convicted world of sin, righteousness, and judgment. You know, not us, you know, in Romans two, force the goodness of God at leads, people to repentance. So it’s the gospel needs as be centered around the goodness of who Jesus is. You know? And the whole message of repent. Well, the word repent loses so much in our culture. Cause we don’t know what it means. Right? It’s what change the way you think, go a different direction. Right? It’s a thought process change. But unfortunately we, we preach it as a turner burn type thing, which is really not what it is.

(17:02):
So it’s stay true to the message of the gospel, which is Jesus loves you. You know, John 3 16 17, God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son, you know, God, everyone believes in him, should not condemned, be condemned by however lasting life. And so stay true to that fact that, you know, while we’re so enemies of God, Jesus died for us and reconciled us to the Father. Right. So it seems like before we address a sin issue the individualistic sin issue, there is the overarching sin issue that needs to be addressed, which needs forgiveness. So once someone gets saved, and then Yeah. Move into something a little bit more detailed, refined. But I think that we could stay true to the message and the truth of the gospel without addressing a particular sin, and just address the fact that you need a savior.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:49):
Right. And we all need a savior. We

Jon Laframboise (17:51):
All do. Every

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:52):
Last sinners, we’ve all done things that are wrong, and we all need the forgiveness that can Absolutely.

Jon Laframboise (17:57):
It doesn’t matter what sin we deal with, we need Jesus.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:59):
And so you feel that there’s a way to communicate the gospel that doesn’t cross over into being hate speech. Yeah.

Jon Laframboise (18:07):
It’s what’s hateful was saying Jesus loves you and he wants to forgive you of your sins. Right. Of course. If someone asks you, well, what’s considered sin, then I think in that, you have to be able to carefully word it where, because what people say, well, is, is homosexuality a sin? What they’re really asking you is am is they’re asking you but their identity. Right. Because people identify with their lifestyle. It’s, it’s who I am. Right? So that’s how it becomes hate speech because you’re now, you’re def you’re speaking against me as an individual. So it’s trying to communicate in a way, let’s separate you from your lifestyle choices, right. And address you as a human being, not your lifestyle. Right. And until you can definitely preach the gospel with, without compromising the message at all, right. And still see, let’s stay true to what sin is.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:54):
Well, I absolutely love that you have stayed true to your calling as an evangelist and working in Canada and in other parts of the world, and just bringing revival and bringing evangelism, getting people fired up about sharing their faith with others. And so just very honored to, to have you as a friend. And if someone is listening and they want to reach out to you, maybe invite you to come minister at their church or bring evangelism, maybe a Canadian pastor is listening, they’d like you to, to come sometime. What’s a, a good email that they can reach you at?

Jon Laframboise (19:30):
The best email to reach me at is info i n o harvest culture.com. That’s the best email for me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:38):
Awesome. Well, thank you John so much for being on. Thank the advantage of for Having Me

Jon Laframboise (19:41):
Podcast. Bless you.

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John Albiston | Coaching Churches for Growth

John Albiston is a church growth expert who works with the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada. He grew a church from 300 to 1,500 people in a span of five years. The last year he was there he saw seven hundred salvations. Then he was asked to help the one hundred and twenty churches in his district to grow. Today he shares some simple secrets that are guaranteed to lead to church growth.

Learn more about the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada: https://paoc.org/ 

Connect with John Albiston: https://albiston.com/

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a special guest with me, John Albertson. And you are with the Pentecostal Assemblies here in Canada, and you are a church coach. And so I love coaching, I especially love coaching evangelists, but you’re going into churches, helping churches to grow, helping them to think strategically about how to reach their community. So how did you get started doing that?

John Albiston (00:32):
Well, my story was my last church our church grew from 300 to 1500 people in the span of five years. And the last we were there, we saw over 700 salvations. That’s when I got a phone call from the Pentecostal Assemblies just saying, John, would you like to show other churches how to do that? And I was like, yes, I would love to show other churches how to do that. And that’s when we got started. I got started doing that in 2017. And when we started here in our district, we’ve got about 120 churches. We ran the numbers and we found that only 18% of our churches were growing. 82% of our churches were either plateaued or in decline. We’re happy to say that within a couple of years, by 2019, we had doubled the number of growing churches and doubled the number of annual reported salvations.

(01:26):
So we, our churches weren’t growing because we were trying to convince Baptists to come to our church instead. But no, we were genuinely reaching unchurched people in our community. Now Covid hit that threw our numbers right out the window. But now that we’re coming out of C O V and started re getting our, our bearings, it’s looking like we’ve got pretty close to 50% of our churches growing. And by the end of the year, we think we might be able to get 60% of our churches are growing, accomplishing real great commission salvation growth.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:54):
And so what are some of the things that you are helping churches with when you are encouraging them to reach out to their community?

John Albiston (02:05):
Well, one of the first things is just to understand their own purpose as a church and what they need to do in order to grow by reaching lost people. Because if you want your church to grow, what you need to do is you need to reach people in your community, bring them in, introduce them to Jesus, and then have them stay and learn how to follow him. Now, when I have conversations with pastors, like, are you doing that? Are you reaching people, introducing them to Jesus and then teaching them to follow him? The answer is, oddly enough, no. You know, we’ve been trained in Bible school and seminary, how to run services. You know, I was trained on how to be an ec eal preacher. I wasn’t taught how to speak to non-Christians. I wasn’t taught how to disciple non-Christians. You know, when when someone accepts Jesus their savior, what’s the first five things I’m supposed to teach ’em? I don’t know that that was never a class. So organizing our Church of War, actually accomplishing our mission is just something that most of us as pastors were never trained to do. And before we were too eager to blame our professors. Nobody trained those guys how to do that either. So if we want our churches to grow, that’s what we need to focus on doing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:22):
I think one of the challenges is that everyone who pastors a church has been around churches for a very long time, and so they don’t look through the eyes of a visitor or a first time guest or someone who is seeking spiritual enlightenment, who just wanders into the church. What would you tell a church to help them to make that person feel welcome?

John Albiston (03:52):
Well, I’d tell ’em a few things. One, just the importance of it. As a general rule of thumb, on any given Sunday, 96% of the people in the room are your own people. And it’s so easy and so comfortable just to focus on that. 96%, only 4% of the people in the room are first time visitors. So if I focus on my 96%, I, I know they’re vocabulary, we’re comfortable through vocabulary. When I use churchy vocabulary words, they like it. We all know what

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:23):
The rows of Sharon

John Albiston (04:24):
Is. Oh, that’s right. Like it, it just like home. Feels like home. The problem is 100% of your growth comes from the 4% and just put yourself in in, in their shoes for a second. I mean, it’s a golden rule. Like Jesus teaches us to do this. Say you’re, you know, Larry from across the street you come home from a business trip and your wife is gone. You thought you had a good marriage, but now the house is empty and you realize everything that I’ve believed about the success of my life is falling apart. And all of a sudden God is speaking to them. And if they’re like, you know what? I’m gonna try something crazy. Maybe I can find hope at church. And so I go in my desperation and need for God, I go to the church across the street and what do I hear is a sermon about Calvinism versus Arminianism?

(05:13):
And then I realize, yeah, you know what? It was a really stupid idea to come here. Okay? We we’re not talking to the people who need the gospel the most. We’re not sharing the gospel. Most churches don’t preach the gospel. Yeah, maybe if you’ve been there for a couple years, you’ll pick it up a bit. But we’re just not focusing on our job, on how we reach our community. We’re just focusing on our frozen chosen. And that’s not good for our people either, because quite frankly, they’re gonna be living kind of a weak and limp Christian life. If you’re living the Christian life where I go to a church where people are getting saved all the time, where I can invite my non-Christian friends in and I know they’re gonna have a fantastic time in their encounter. God, that’s very exciting for me. And even if I’m an introvert, it’s easy for me to invite <laugh> somebody, somebody to something I know they’re gonna love. So if I know that you’re a fanatical football fan and I’ve got two tickets to the game, it’s easy for me to invite you cuz I know you’re gonna love it. And when our churches are places where I know when you come, you’re gonna feel welcome. You’re gonna understand what’s gonna go on, and you’re gonna meet Jesus. It’s easy and exciting for me to invite you to that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:35):
And even to create that culture of people inviting their friends, I, I’m amazed as I travel the churches all over North America, every weekend I, I minister in a different place and I walk into a bunch of churches and there’s no signs showing where the children’s ministry is. There’s no sign saying whether the coffee is free or you’re supposed to throw a dollar in the, the cup there, there’s no sign showing where the bathrooms are. Like you can wander around the church for a long time just trying to find the bathroom. And I’m like, this isn’t friendly for visitors. Like, you’re not even thinking about visitors coming to the church.

John Albiston (07:17):
Oh, absolutely. That, that is a major problem. And it’s, again, we’re focusing on the 96%, we’re ignoring the four. And it, it’s such a tragedy of opportunity. So here’s the math of it. 4% of the people in your church on any given Sunday are first time visitors. Next Sunday it’s a different 4%, and next Sunday it’s a different 4% different 4%. And when you add that up over 52 weeks, you get a 200%. So you take the average attendance of your church, say it’s a hundred, over the next 12 months, you’re gonna have 201st time visitors. What would happen to your church if you kept half of them? You know? But we’re losing them because we’re ignoring them. We’re not putting ourself in their shoes. Yeah. That includes signage

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:06):
Or even know where to park. You come into the parking lot and where’s a visitor supposed to park? Or Absolut? Is there even a parking place for them?

John Albiston (08:13):
Absolutely. And when someone comes in, does anybody talk to me? Does anybody engage? Now a lot of our churches will have greeters, you know, who’ll say, hi, welcome. But I’ve, my local Walmart has greeters who say, hi, welcome. When I walk in, and I’ve been going to Walmart for I think 40 years, and in all those years, you know how many Walmart employees have gotten to know my name? Like Zero. Do you know how many friends I’ve ever made at Walmart? Zero. being friendly, whoopie, doof, we can find friendly anywhere. What we can’t find anywhere is friends. And so we need to actually love and care for those people that God are sending us because they’re already coming to our church. They’re coming in droves, people that God is calling them. And it’s hard for them to get here. Like we need to understand their journey.

(09:07):
I’ve, I’ve heard so many stories of people who would tell me that it took them three or four attempts to come to our church because they drive in, they were parked in the parking stall, white knuckling the steering wheel for 20 minutes before driving away in tears because they were too scared to come in the door. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Okay. We don’t know the journey that they’re going through, and when they come in and we just ignore them and we’re blind to them and we don’t care for them. If you come into my church and nobody cares for you, you don’t feel loved. I can be on the stage standing on my head, juggling fire, talking about the love of God, and you will

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:48):
Not believe I’ve tried that before. I’ve tried to juggle fire

John Albiston (09:51):
<Laugh>. You won’t believe me.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:53):
Yeah.

John Albiston (09:53):
But if you come in here and you feel welcome and you feel loved and you feel part of the family and like, you’re not getting just like a fake Walmart greeting that No, I feel included. I’ve never been in a place like this. I’ve never met people like, here, what is going on here? And then I talk about the love of God. You are gonna believe me because you’ve already experienced it.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:16):
So walk me through the process as you’re coaching a church, what recommendations do you give them for the, for the ushers, for the song service, for the offering time, for the message, for the altar call, for the follow up process. Kinda walk me through what an ideal process would look like for a visitor.

John Albiston (10:40):
So if a church is at that stage that like, hey, they actually wanna reach people, because sometimes I have to deal with stuff like, we don’t care about a lost people <laugh>, so we have to,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:48):
So that’s a theological and a heart issue. That’s

John Albiston (10:50):
Right. So sometimes, you know, when I’m going into coaching church, that’s what we need to do the work. But they’re ought that if they’re at this stage where no, no, we wanna reach our community, what do we do? The fundamental principle is the golden rule. Put yourself in somebody else’s shoes. When I walk in here, do I know what to do when the service starts? Are you speaking in plain English? So just talk about like, choosing lyrics for your songs. There’s a, a song that’s popular in a number of churches called Reckless Love. I don’t know if you’re familiar with it or not, but if you look at the lyrics of that song, 95% of that song’s gonna make sense to anybody in your community. Like, there’s one line about he leaves the 99, okay? They’re not gonna get the reference, but most of that song makes perfect sense. They’re gonna understand what we’re talking about. There’s another song that are, that is popular. Our God is the lion. The lion of Judah. Our God is the lamb. The lamb. Who is slain? Who’s Judah? Well, he’s one of the 12 patriarchs. Why are we singing about him? What’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (11:48):
Patriarch? Well, because

John Albiston (11:50):
The messianic lion goes through the lion of Judah. Why are we talking about lions? Oh, that’s symbolic. It refers to the Davidic kingdom. Who’s kingdom, okay. You see? So David was one of the descendants of Judah. Messianic line not only goes through Judah, but also goes through through David. Now Lamb saying you need not understand the sacrificial system and the Old Testament, how that pre prefigures Christ and Leviticus and the Lan of course, and Nasco logical figure, we’ve seen a book of revelation. Okay? That’s what you need to know for the song to make any sense. Okay? Did we have to make the climb that steep like half the time when people come in to our churches and don’t encounter Christ? It’s not that they rejected what we were saying, they just didn’t even understand what we were saying. It was just confusing. Gobbly good.

(12:28):
Our sermons are no better. And for our churches who actually do attempt to preach the gospel, we’re preaching the gospel in Christianese gobbly book, and they just don’t understand the words that are coming out of our mouth. So the first thing you want your church to have an impact on, people preach and sing with clarity, not to water things down. And we’re not trying to avoid offending people. I mean, we’re not gonna poke people in the eye, but okay, that’s not what we’re focusing on, is inoffensive sermons. We’re focusing on clear sermons that anybody coming in is gonna understand what we’re saying. So when it comes to the gospel, for example, I understand theologically that repentance and faith kind of a big deal when it comes to accepting Christ. But I also know that the people I’m trying to reach have never heard those words and don’t know what they mean.

(13:19):
Now, I know from studying Hebrew that the word repent, that the Hebrew route is make a u-turn. It’s how you give directions. Like go down fourth Street in repent <laugh>. So I will be on the stage walking one direction saying, I’ve been going down my own road. I’ve been the master of my fate captain of my destiny living my life the way I want to. Well, that ends here. Jesus talking about making a U-turn and following him, even when it’s scary, even when I don’t understand, I’m putting my whole life in his hands. Everything that I am, my hopes, my dreams, my sorrows, my shame, you know, my anger, my hurts. I’m putting everything I am in his hands and trusting him to make me to someone new as I follow him in a new life, in a new direction. So I explained both repentance and faith without necessarily using those words.

(14:13):
Okay? That’s a skillset we have to develop because I was raised in a church. Christianese is my mother tongue. I speak English as a second language <laugh>. So are we preaching with clarity? Are we singing with clarity? When you preach, you know, when you, for your own people, when you preach clearly in plain English, guess what your people learn in plain English. Because if I preach in gobbly G your congregation learns it in gobbly G. And then when they go out to the workforce, when they go out to the baseball game, when they go out to anything else, the only thing they know is gobbly go. Why would we be surprised that our people in our congregation are so ineffective at reaching their friends? But if we preach in plain English and explain the gospel in plain English, we’re equipping our people in plain English to reach their friends and neighbors in plain English.

(15:08):
So you wanna make the biggest difference in your congregation in being able to reach newcomers and actually seeing your own people be more effective at evangelism and discipleship. Learn how to speak in plain, ordinary English. It’s a discipline. It’s hard. People don’t know what discernment means. You, if you have to use the word, take 10 seconds, explain it to explain it. Don’t make a casual reference. Hey, just like Joseph, you know, okay, who’s Joseph? Okay, take 10 seconds to explain, give people on-ramps to what you’re talking about. And that is probably gonna make the biggest difference.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:47):
What about the follow up process for that 4%? How do we close the back door so they don’t just come in and leave, but we can retain some of the 4% that are visiting every Sunday? Well, I think

John Albiston (15:59):
The key is gonna be developing relationships of friendship. So sometimes you know, I talk about, you know, we, in order to have someone follow Jesus, they need to make f make friends with us. Because if you read your gospels, Jesus discipled the disciples within the context of relationship. So when someone say they, they raised that hand When I made that gospel call, I’ve already trained my ushers, they’re already at the back. Everybody else’s head is bowed, eyes are close, not my ushers <laugh>. They’re already at the back and they see who raised their hands, and they’ve already been trained to come up and approach them after the service. Introduce ’em. Hey, my name’s Tom, da da da, da, how you doing? Da da da da da. You know, how long have you been coming here? Da Hey, I would really like to introduce you to my pastor.

(16:47):
Is that okay now? Because I saw their hands, like when they’re my ushers, bring somebody to me. I know this is a new believer. Well then I can have a conversation with them. I can give them a new believer’s Bible and say, Hey, you know what? We’ve got this small group program called Alpha, it’s a free meal. Why don’t you come out? It’s a fantastic way to, you know, to get started. But we want to get them in relationship as fast as possible. So follow up is crucial, crucial, crucial. And we want to connect with them as soon as we, we possibly can. We don’t wanna let that get cold. And again, it comes down to the, the whole love of God experience. If they don’t f experience the love of God from us, they’re not gonna believe in the love of God.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:35):
Let’s talk about the, the Canadian context here. Most of the churches that you’re, you’re working with here are in Canada. Is there anything unique to Canada that might be different than say the United States or other? Or are these principles, do they work everywhere?

John Albiston (17:52):
So I’ve used these principles in, in other countries and like, like Canada, the United States are fairly culturally adjacent. So if you’re an American coming to Canada, like the least foreign country you could possibly visit is this one. And vice versa. But I’ve seen this work very effectively in Thailand, which is a completely different culture. And that’s because we’re talking about some basic human principles. People need to be known. People need to experience love, people need to experience acceptance. And none of us feel that way when we’re being ignored. So we wanna be certainly culturally sensitive. So if you’re going to Thailand and you’ve got a habit of touching people’s heads, don’t do that in Thailand. That’s considered very rude. Mind you, seriously, dude, that’s weird here too. <Laugh>, you know, but you know, sometimes our own, we have got

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (18:49):
Little, let’s bring all the visitors up and I’m gonna pray for you right now.

John Albiston (18:53):
<Laugh>, sometimes in our church we develop weird microcultures. Like I remember my, my last church if you were sick, the only way to heal you was to bring you out to the front of the service in front of everybody. We would hit you in the head to try to make you fall over. And that’s how healing happens. Is there anything in the Bible says we have to do it that way? No. And we kind of realized, you know what? That’s actually kind of weird. And people coming in here are kind of terrified by what we’re doing. Maybe we should find like non terrifying ways of doing things. So there’s ways where we can think about, well, things happen in context. So you look at the Apostle Paul apostle Paul said, I am all things to all people. So by all possible means, some might be saved to the Greeks, unlike a Greek to the Jews unlike a Jew.

(19:42):
Well, that wasn’t just words for Paul. If you look at the book of Acts on how he behaves, when Paul’s in a Jewish setting, man, he turns into super Jew, Hey, I’m a Pharisee and you know, I studied on a gamma meal and he’s quoting the Old Testament left, right and center. Like, I mean, he, he puts it on really thick with the Jewish stuff. But when he is talking to a Gentile lobby audience, he doesn’t talk about any of that. In fact at Mars Hill, he starts quoting their poets and using their cultural references to bring them to Jesus. So he adjusts the way he talks depending on who he’s talking to. And I mean, we understand this when it comes to age group. You know, I’m not gonna talk about substitutionary atonement when I’m talking to preschoolers. Okay? So we, we’ve got some kind of understanding of that. Well, we need to know who we’re talking to and then adjust our vocabulary and how we explain and how we act compared to who we’re talking to.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (20:37):
Well, thank you so much for being on the Evangelism Podcast. If someone has some questions about how their church can be more effective at reaching their community, what’s a good way to get in touch with you? What, what’s, what’s your email?

John Albiston (20:50):
They can reach me@justjohnalbertin.com. My last name is A L B I S T O n.com. And there’s some free resources on there, but yeah, anybody can get in touch with me and I am more than happy to help.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:05):
Wonderful. Well, thank you so much and I love what you’re doing. I, I love coaching evangelists and people who are excited about reaching the lost, and I think so many churches need to have that heart for their community and, and, and for the lost, and, and not just talk about it, but take tangible steps to make it happen.

John Albiston (21:28):
Absolutely.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (21:28):
And so, just so much love what you do and so valuable.

John Albiston (21:32):
Well, thanks for having me on here. Thank you.

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Bill Hogg | Advance Evangelists Summit Canada

Bill Hogg is an evangelism catalyst. His goal is to raise up a new generation of evangelists across Canada fuelled with a passion to boldly declare the Gospel. This is done through Advance Groups of evangelists that meet together every month. To find out more on how to start your own evangelism Advance Group, keep listening.

Learn More About Message Canada: https://messagecanada.org/

Start an Advance Group of Evangelists: https://canada.advancegroups.org

 

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King. I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest with me, bill Hogg. Thank you for joining me on the Evangelism Podcast.

Bill Hogg (00:11):
Delight to, to join you. Thanks for the invitation today, Daniel.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:15):
So we are together at the Advance Evangelist Summit in Calgary, Alberta in Canada, and evangelists from all over the nation of Canada. And even a few other parts of the world have come together to talk about evangelism. And you have helped to organize all this. Kind of tell me the story of, of this summit and, and why God put this on your heart to bring evangelists together.

Bill Hogg (00:43):
So there’s a bit of a backstory if you want that, where God stirred my heart about the fact that in Canada, the evangelist is missing in action. There’s a scarcity of the evangelist. I mean, you might be able to quote this Rice Brooks for his doctoral dissertation scan the United States, what, 10, 15 years ago and thought maybe evangelical, charismatic Bible teaching churches, maybe one in a hundred would be graced with the gift and anointing of the evangelist. So that was part of my covid reading. You know, what do you do when you’re encapsulated in a lockdown? You read stuff and I thought Canada, it’s probably anecdotally it’s maybe one in 200. So I, I was involved in assessing coaching, training and supporting church planters and was disturbed that many church planters could not articulate the gospel with clarity, which I think is basic foundation for any kind of ministry.

(01:40):
And a lot of church planting is not evangelistic. So we used to quote Peter Wagner, who said, the most effective evangelistic methodology under heaven is the planting of new churches. But in response to that, I would quote the music composer, not the theologian called Porter, who would say, it ain’t necessarily so. So that used to disturb me. And I would meet with network leaders and church planting catalysts or denomin national officers and say, who are the evangelists in your tribe? And they would say, that’s a really good question. If I was feeling cheeky, I would say I only ask good questions. But generally, crickets would chirp in the background because they couldn’t identify the evangelists. So that used to disturb me a great deal. And, and a couple of things happened. One is I went to message trust in the UK and spoke at their first ever advanced summit where they had identified 250 evangelists in the uk, invited 170 or 170, came to the summit.

(02:48):
They probably invited all 250. It was 170 in the room. I was the closing speaker. And of course, evangelists never watched the clock, Daniel. So 170 had hemorrhage down to maybe a hundred when I was in the room. And we did a great time in ministry. And as I stepped away from that encounter, I was there with my wife, Morag. I thought, Lord, if you can identify and raise up evangelists in Jo Post-Christian England, why not here in Canada? At the same time, I’m involved in a, an entity called Church, plant Plant in Canada. We bring leaders and church planting catalyzers from across the country. And when the old church planting network, it was part of, I was the only member of our team there. So we had a facilitator. You’ve been in these rooms, they break out, they give you giant post-it notes, kind of what’s your contribution to our conversation?

(03:40):
So I’m a team member of one, a committee of one. So it’s command and control time. So I just drew the Edward Munch screen picture, ah, and then I put prison bars over it, and then I drew a gigantic foot. So I’m the only person that did any kind of cartoon, put it on the wall. People are talking about their aspirations of church planting. And I said, there’s a, I was asked to explain myself. I said, the food reminds us how beautiful on the mountains are the feet of them who bring good news. But in Canada and appointed to in Canada, we’ve imprisoned, incarcerated, sidelined the evangelist. And after we’d been there in the mountains for three days, I was driving back in the rental car, rental car filled with the presence of God. And I had one of those holy moments where it’s just almost like a stillness descends on you.

(04:34):
And I said, Jesus, I think part of the story, maybe the primary reason, the big reason you brought me to Canada is to be part of reclaiming the advance list for the advancement of the gospel. So there’s been that partial as part of the story. I could go into more of the backstory around that, but I was intrigued that what, under Andy Hawthorne’s catalytic leadership, he would be a leading gospel champion in the uk, an apostolic evangelist. And now under Ben Jack’s leadership evangelists were popping up in the uk. And I’m like, why not Canada? So our first play was when I joined message as their national director. The first event we hosted was an advance summit in November, 2019. And we gathered about 85 leaders from across the country, two ends of the spectrum, young adults who were part of a school of evangelism, seasoned statesmen, evangelists like tv, Thomas pastors with a heart for evangelism, street evangelists, proclamation, evangelists, evangelist.

(05:41):
And it was a powerful time of prophetic activation and worship and prayer in networking. We thought, Hey Lord, let’s do that again. And of course, we’ve had to navigate the dynamics of covid where we couldn’t gather. And so this is our first gathering, and part of the gathering is just to identify evangelists. We want to create an association of Canadian evangelists. We want to populate churches and ministries with advanced groups. We want to be a broker of getting the evangelist embedded in the life of the local church as a gospel agitator, as a servant, as an equipper. And see what God would do. So big ideas, Lord, give us grace to find the flames of evangelism in Canada.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (06:22):
Well, as an evangelist, I’m very thankful for your heart to raise up evangelists. I think it’s so important. And I, I was called as an evangelist at a very young age and always had the heart for evangelism. And you start to, to try to figure out what that means. And so I looked at other great evangelists, looked at the pictures of TL Osborne and Billy Graham and Reinhardt Bonky and, and just dream about doing that someday. And then I did my doctorate ministry at Oral Roberts University and, and read all of Rice Brooks materials Okay. For my, my dissertation, which was on mass evangelism. And you know, so you grow in your understanding of being an evangelist and, and it’s so valuable what you’re doing to help people to understand what it means to be an evangelist. And so let’s talk about the need for evangelism here in Canada. You were sharing some statistics last night. Tell me, tell me about the need for evangelism here in Canada.

Bill Hogg (07:24):
Well, we’re, we’re really a gospel parch country. Daniel those joining us on the Evangelism Podcast might not realize the spiritual demography or landscape in Canada. So there’s Quebec, which is the most unreached piece of real estate in all of the America’s, north America’s, central America, south America. And of course there are Christians beyond evangelicalism, but Quebec has about 0.5% of its population who would self-identify as an evangelical using the classic, albeit reductionist, bebbington quadrilateral. Now that’s less self-identified evangelicals than in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, which is 0.6%. There’s another trend, we talk a lot about the nuns and Dunns, and of course some other social issues have been front and center, and that’s kind of been on the back burner of conversation. But there’s a story of accelerated de Christianization. So in 1961, I think 1% of Canada would identify as having no religious affiliation whatsoever.

(08:35):
Now in 2023, it’s approaching 40%. The Evangelical fellowship of Canada created a composite category of aas sns. Now who are they? They’re atheists, agnostics, spiritual, but not religious and nuns. Those nuns have got no religious affiliation. And that composite category is 50% of Canada. And in the same piece of research, which is about two years old, they say zero as the new normal. Now what are they talking about? Church engagement? Church participation. So the normal Canadian is not remotely interested in engaging with the faith community, no matter how slick the programs are or how vibrant or spiritually hot the environment is. And then the other story which we’ve unearthed is that church planting’s dirty little secret is transfer growth. So generally speaking, church plants that grow are simply recycling Christians from other churches. So where are we seeing missional engagement? Where are we seeing fruitful evangelism?

(09:48):
And frankly, a church like say Auntie Greco’s Church or Dave Coop’s church, or First Alliances Church Calgary, where they’re seeing baptisms on profession of faith is rare, now takes catalytic leadership. So a friend of mine who I didn’t mention there, passes a church in Cologna. And during the pandemic when things were on hold, he said, we are about mission, we’re not about maintenance. So it requires that kind to leadership. So even during the pandemic one year, an Anthony at Calgary Life Church saw a hundred professions of faith and baptized. 62 people during the pandemic, two of them had baptized in secret because there were Muslim converts who showed up at the church and said, is this a church that interprets dreams? And an Anthony said to me, bill, I’ve never interpreted a dream in my life, but I said, sure, we are. What have you got?

(10:40):
And they had a dream where someone in Dalin White appeared to them, and it’s like, duh, it’s Jesus. So he shared Jesus with them. Let me give you the interpretation. You need Jesus, that, that that’s exactly right. So, I mean, there’s beautiful anomalies. I would say they’re outliers, but generally what we’re seeing is a decline. So other stats would be 80 to 85% of Canadian churches have plateaued or declined. And that would include evangelical Bible, believing churches, spirit-filled churches, not simply the mainline churches who we might say, well, of course they’ve lost the gospel, but you can’t say that wholesale. So it’s about 85% of the churches now that’s using the unhelpful metrics of church attendance. Church participation, which is a lousy metric. It’s not a kingdom metric. But what it does tell us, for most churches, their best days are in yester year. And they need to experience profound gospel recalibration, deep spiritual renewal, and actually embrace a journey of change. And of course, Robert Quinn who wrote about deep Change said most organizations and most people would rather choose slow death than deep change. And he said, you’ve got a choice the hell of deep change or the hell of slow death. And so that requires courageous leadership, wise leadership, probably apostolic leadership, to catalyze around the centrality of the gospel and, and create a dream for a new day of missional fruitfulness.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:16):
And that’s why it’s so important to raise up evangelists and to elevate the gift of the evangelist in the church. We desperately need more people who have a heart to, to go out and to to reach the loss. And that’s one of the things you’re, you’re attempting to do is, is to raise up evangelists. And one of the tools that you’re using to do that is the advanced course. And, and so talk to me about how evangelists can get together and to, to commit to meet together on a regular basis and use this curriculum, which the messenger trust makes available free of charge to people all over the world. And how, how can they use this to, to help disciple and mentor evangelists?

Bill Hogg (13:01):
Great, great question. So I think if we’re, if we’re going to learn new skills or, or, or call out latent evangelistic capacity, the best way is to learn in a community and not simply learn cerebral head information. I mean, you’ve, you’ve studied at postgraduate level, and that’s awesome because James Denny said, all our evangelists should be theologians, and all our theologians should be evangelists, but I would include myself in this. Most of us, what we know is not matched by our obedience or the level of our Christ-likeness or the level of our missional engagement. And this creates a learning community where you could be a gifted leader and facilitate a group, but it doesn’t even actually require strong leadership because we’ve created a curriculum. So initially the advanced group was kinda Lucy goosey Andy Hawthorne mentoring 12 others. And for about 18 months, I don’t think it even had a name.

(14:02):
You know, maybe it would be Andy’s disciples or something. And then at one point he said, go down and do likewise. And the 12, we’ve heard this before, the 12 went out to multiply, but what they created, Ben Jack created the advanced group guide. And that is the content which you wrestle with do homework on pray into apply. And, and that’s the centerpiece of the group that meets around a, if you like, a three-legged stool around how clear and pure is your gospel. Because we can’t assume gospel centrality, the Apostle Paul says, we’re all gospel amnesia acts. Let me remind you of that, which is our first importance. So we’re kinda pressing in, how clear is my gospel? Has the gospel really taken root in my heart in life to have a gospel-centered operating system? I’m a Twitter painted with the beauty and truth and infused with the power of the gospel, but then does my life actually commend the gospel?

(15:05):
So there’s questions about our Christ-likeness, our holiness, our purity or transparency or honesty. And so there’s also a third stool, which is around stewardship of gospel opportunity. And this is with the company of a group, could be six, I think it, it’s not as good. If you drop below that small group dynamics or a group of 12, you get beyond that, then maybe the big bold extrovert dominates the conversation and the the quieter person really doesn’t get an opportunity to engage. And there’s whole life accountability questions, not simply the classic financial and sexual purity and integrity questions around the stewardship of energy and, and family life and, and work life and questions like, are you sharpening the saw, which sounds like a Stephen Covey kind of question. But around those three dynamics, the groups meet regularly, Daniel, with the goal of mutual evangelistic sharpening, basically elevated evangelism, intentionality, and intensity would be outcome or more evangelism Mojo. And Ben Jack has now created a three year mentoring guide. So there’s plenty of content. So if you’re a gifted leader, it’s just a grab bag of resources to facilitate a group that doesn’t even have to do evangelism together, but can support and reinforce each other on a journey of going deeper with Jesus and be more intentional about making him known. And Tom Phillips, who’s I think the longest serving member of the Billy Graham Teamy, served under Billy and serves under Franklin said it’s the most gospel centered evangelistic training resource he’s found. And it’s free.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:52):
Yeah. I’ve gone through all of the advanced material and it’s really tremendous. And, and so if there’s an evangelist who’s listening who want to start an advanced group, what’s the website where they can download the advanced guide?

Bill Hogg (17:07):
That’s a good question.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (17:08):
What’s, what’s the Canadian website? It’s a advanced or no, the messenger trust ca

Bill Hogg (17:14):
If, if you go to, this is the convoluted way cuz you put me on the spot and I’m sorry. Said. Yeah, no, it’s good. I was saying, Hey, I’m usually good at thinking on my feet. But if you go to message canada.org, you’ll see more, more of what we do. And then if you click on what we do, you’ll go down to the advance page, and there you can download PDF of the three year guide or the advanced group taster guide. Now it’s based on commitment. I think it’s the pair of a consecrated idea that you commit, you follow through, but you would meet regularly, which translates to an investment of two hours once a month. You would be committed to evangelistic sharpening. You would be committed to staying in contact maybe through a WhatsApp group and praying for each other.

(18:02):
But the, the resources free is a pdf. If if you go there, if you go to this event, we’ve got an event landing page, advance summit org g you can scroll down there and you’ll see the blue shiny three month taster guide where you can say, okay, we, we gotta be all in. We gotta prioritize this, but let’s journey for three months and see what the fruit is. And I think the fact that you meet a month apart creates a learning loop. Okay, we’ve heard this, do the homework, or we’ve heard this, put it into practice. I actually met with a discipleship pastor and, and at a large church, and they wanted to include it in their kind of Christian education curriculum for the winter. And it put about bill, if we did it six weeks in a row, I said, I’m really not persuaded by that because you, you need to have space and time to put it into practice, you know, and Steve, this fruit. So if you and I are in the group and you say, bill what, what’s the Holy Spirit asking you to do with your five that you’re focused on, your five pre questions? Well, I’m going to take so-and-so out for dinner and I’m praying for a gospel conversation. Then I meet a month later that’s giving me enough time to book the dinner. And you can say, bell, how did it go? I’d say, Daniel, pray for me. It was a complete disaster. Or I screwed up what happened?

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:23):
Gives you time to test it and Yeah. Apply it in

Bill Hogg (19:26):
Your life. Exactly. Yeah.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:27):
Yeah. Now I was talking to some of the, the guys that are here, and they were telling me that they’re part of an Eden group Yeah. Up in Edmonton, where they’re going into the community, living in the community, and evangelizing and discipling people. And so tell me about the Eden Group and, and, and what you’re trying to accomplish with that.

Bill Hogg (19:48):
Great question. So it started in the uk really inspired by a scripture in the book of Ezekiel that says the city that has been laid waste has become like the Garden of Eden. And so there’s a, a vision of community transformation through gospel transformation. And there could be remainers people who live in a broken postal code or a challenging community. There could be returners maybe who grew up there when this girl got a job moved out the city and they could return, or there could be relocate who hear the disruptive call of Jesus who says, as the Father has sent me, so I’m sending you. And they’re really teams of incarnation, missionaries, whooo, roots down deep. Sometimes we engage with the poor, maybe even in a paternalistic fashion where we come in, hand out some food, wander the streets and return to suburbia.

(20:45):
And I happen to live in suburbia. So I’m, I’m pointing at three fingers back at myself there. But you’ve gotta hear a disruptive call from Jesus because it’s, it’s costly. But where it started with predominantly young adults in the United Kingdom here in the call of Jesus to move into some of these challenging postal codes and communities. And there’s, there’s some unique socio-demographics in the uk. So places like Bench Hill or Charleston or, or within Shaw, within Shaw is a sprawl of a hundred thousand people in Greater Manchester. And lots and lots of these people are going backwards financially. And one of the metrics, you could look there, they’re getting free school meals. And you go, okay, is there a partner church? And is there a place of deprivation in poverty? So it’s really the story in Edmonton’s. Beautiful. She, Moses who grew up in Sri Lanka, was traumatized by things in his family.

(21:46):
And being in a war torn country was redeemed by Jesus and has a huge heart for the broken, the poor and the marginalized. So the idea as a team of people would live in gospel community, they would intentionally discern what’s the Holy Spirit doing? How can we join them? They would do community assessments. So we don’t make assumptions about what the needs are, find out what the needs are. Do some community ex Jesus in the agendas to share the love of God, to proclaim the gospel, to bless and elevate the prayer. Now the UK story is across 20 years, there’s been more than 77 0 teams deploying over 700 urban missionaries. So it feels like a movement to me. Wow. And, and they’ve seen measurable community transformation through asset-based community development as the lens. So things like isolation, crime recede, because why the people who are salt and light are living out in front of them loving the neighborhood and loving their neighbors.

(22:51):
And so th this is one of the things we’re, we’re pursuing here in Canada. We’ve got couple leading teams in Prince George, which is a city of about a hundred thousand 12 hour drive or a short hop and a puddle jumper type aircraft from Vancouver. And we’re partnering with a great church there as part of their micro church planting strategy that the Eden teams would be catalyst for micro church. But there are couples who are recruiting teams who’ve moved into low income apartments and finding out what Jesus wants them to do. Coastal Church, which has a great motto or mantra, helping make the city a better place. They’ve got a, an Eden team under the leadership of far and Angela Mcg far is grew up a Muslim in Iran, moved to Denmark, came to Canada, got hijacked by Jesus. And he’s about 15 years into a story of being an urban missionary, I think nine years as a pastor at Coastal Church. And they live in the downtown East side. And we wanna see a proliferation of that. We’re in conversations in other places. And the strange story is during Covid, the Lord’s expanded the Eden teams, you know, here in Canada where we’ve had some very challenging restrictions for what is a high-touch ministry. It’s a community engagement ministry. So, so that’s the heart of Eden. And if people hear the destructive call of Jesus to bring good news to the poor, you can reach out to us.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (24:28):
So you’ve been involved in evangelism for many years in, in church planning and you call yourself evangelism catalyst. So what advice would you give to a young person who might feel called to be an evangelist?

Bill Hogg (24:43):
That’s a great question. I mean, I think they could learn from you, Daniel, cuz you’ve studied the great evangelists and not all the great evangelists are platform evangelists. Like I’ve got a growing friendship with Gordon, who used to be a VP of marketing with Tommy Hilfiger, and he’s having gospel encounters and he texts me all the time photographs of people, he’s led to Christ. And there’s, there’s low hanging fruits. So I think you can learn, I mean, I’ll learn how to give an altar call from Luis Pau. And, and I would consider Luis a source of encouragement, a friend, a mentor. We can be mentored by evangelist that will never actually have a cup of coffee with if we study their life. But I’m thinking as you ask that question. When I was recruited and interviewed to come on board the church planting network as national methodologist, my friend hired me and he became my boss.

(25:42):
Were no longer in that story. That’s for a different podcast. But when I was in South Africa at Cape Town 2010, the Lord spoke to me by direct immediate revelation from the Holy Spirit. He also spoke to me from exposition of scripture and conversations and, and challenged me about the evangelist being missing in action. But the Lord spoke to me and he said, I’m redeploying you as an apostolic evangelist and I want you to work with Gord Fleming. So Gord, my friend, became my boss, but he was a maniac or a lunatic. A lunatic in terms of interviews. I had 10 interviews.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:23):
Wow.

Bill Hogg (26:23):
And some of them were sneaky like guys, says, I’m just one of a cup of coffee with you and find out what’s going on in your soul. I’m like, you stinker. You’re, you’re here to scan man and man and find out what’s going on. But God wanted to make sure we’re on the same page. So there’s great wisdom in that. But one of our meetings, he said, I don’t believe in job descriptions. I said, that’s awesome. My life mission statement is, don’t fence me in. I don’t like job descriptions. Now, I had to have a job description because Revenue Canada insisted on it. But he said, if you did have a job description, it would have three things.

(27:00):
Stay close to Jesus. Ask God to break your heart for the lost and do whatever it takes to fulfill the mission. Now I think if you and I live to be Caleb’s at 85, or you and I have birthday parties when we’re 110, I think that’s our job description. And I think that would be the job description for someone. Stick close to Jesus. Jesus says, abide, abide, abide remain in me. And the primary invitation in call is not to be an evangelist. That’s the secondary or tertiary call. The primary call is to follow Jesus and to enjoy loving union and communion with Jesus. So don’t skimp on that. You know, figure out. And it’s maybe like learning to dance. If you grew up in a legalistic Pentecostal church, how do you dance dancing’s wrong? And, and then you find it’s okay to dance and you stumble around to dance for it.

(27:55):
But stumble into spending time with Jesus, immerse in yourself in the scriptures, learning to hear his voice, and then ask God to do something na supernatural to break your heart for the lost. I mean, John Piper says, it takes a miracle to have a broken heart for the lost. And I think he’s exactly right. When I was a young, obnoxious evangelist like abrasive, I’d love to go on a time machine and sit back and evaluate young belt inaction. I would get up there somewhere, I’d still get my sermons. And there were nightmare sermons. But I would be praying and because I heard Luis Pau say that he used to prep his sermons on his knees. So I would sometimes do my sermons prep on my knees, on my bed with a notebook and a Bible. And sometimes tears would splash on my Bible as I would visualize who would be there because my local church is an act of generosity and stupidity.

(28:54):
Let me loose when I was 16 and then during a pastoral vacancy, had me preach when I was in my late teens and maybe 20. And I was a, an arrogant young punk of an evangelist. But I would be weeping and I would, I would work it as a little manipulator. I would invite the neighbors, Hey, you know, I’d really appreciate your support if you’d come because they’ve asked me to preach at church. And it would mean a lot to me if you came and I’m just getting them in my evangelist crosshairs. But I would find myself weeping in the private place, but on types just weeping. If I keep the altar call and it’s stand there being been overcome and people who were old enough to be my parents would come forward in response to an altar call. Now what does that tell us?

(29:39):
A couple of things. God can use an arrogant self-important guy who hasn’t even found out who he is cuz he’s an adolescent. You don’t know who you are. But there’s a principle. And the principle is this, those that sew with tears shall read with joy. So I don’t always weep buckets for the lost but we need to invite Jesus to, to give us soft hearts. And then the trifecta was, do whatever it takes. Well I think the root of that is just be opening, obedient, and available. Don’t be ambitious for platform. Be opening receptive to opportunity. Give Jesus your yes and get a mentor or figure out how can this gift be stewarded? Cuz there’s not a ton of developmental pathways for evangelism. And one of the things we want to do is we want to find the flames of evangelism broadly. We want to support pastors in create a culture of evangelism, embolden everyday Christians. But the evangelist is uniquely catalytic for the advancement of the gospel. So we want to figure out how can we draw them in and create a heart, create a warm fire where we can hear the stories, pray for them, encourage them, resource them. So those, those are some of the thoughts.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (31:00):
Well, thank you so much. Let’s finish by praying for those who are listening, that God would soften our hearts for the lost. Would you pray?

Bill Hogg (31:12):
Yeah.

(31:16):
Father, your heart is filled with tenderness and compassion for the lost. And we confess that we’re sometimes like Jonah the miserable prophet who has a theology of grace and mercy and salvation who can even make a, a bold declaration. Salvation is from the Lord. But like Jonah, we don’t carry your heart for the lost. When he protested that he didn’t want to come to Ninevah because he had that gut intuition that you wouldn’t judge the nites, you would extend mercy. And we thank you that you are the Lord, the Lord, gracious and compassionate, slow anger, and full of mercy. Jesus, we thank you that when you looped out on the crowds who were harassed and helpless like sheep without a shepherd, your move with compassion. So we pray that you would baptize us with compassion. We pray that you would give us your eyes to see the lost around us and give us your beating heart for the loss. So we invite you to soften our hearts, Lord, break our hearts, give us the gift of tears and disrupt us where we’re just doing same old, same old, with a fresh revelation of your grace in mercy towards us. That we might not be like the older brother, but we would have your heart. Jesus, the faithful and true brother who came on a mission to rescue the lost because we asked this in your name for your glory. Amen.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (32:52):
Amen. Well, brother Bill, thank you so much for being on the Evangelism Podcast.

Bill Hogg (32:57):
Hey, thanks Daniel. It’s been a delight. Thanks for your hospitality and the opportunity to talk about things of first importance. God bless. Thank you.

 

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Greg Fraser | Welcome to the Father’s House

Greg Fraser pastors The Father’s House in Sturgeon County, Alberta. Over the past 18 years the church has grown by leaps and bounds and they have recently completed a beautiful new church building. On today’s episode of The Evangelism Podcast, Pastor Greg talks about how the church has become an essential part of the community and about how to reach Canada for Jesus.

Website: https://www.tfhchurch.ca/

Transcript: 

Evangelist Daniel King (00:00):
Greg Frazier pastors, the father’s house in sturgeon county, Alberta. Over the past 18 years, the church has grown by leaps and bounds, and they have recently completed a beautiful new church building on today’s episode of the evangelism podcast. Pastor Greg talks about how the church has become an essential part of the community and about how to reach Canada for Jesus.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:36):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelist Daniel King (01:01):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest pastor Greg Frazier. Thank you for being with me today.

Pastor Greg Fraser (01:11):
Great to be here, Daniel. And how are you doing?

Evangelist Daniel King (01:14):
I am doing well. Thank you.

Pastor Greg Fraser (01:16):
You’re visiting us in Canada here. So we wanna make sure you’re, you know, you’re having a good time and, and God’s using you.

Evangelist Daniel King (01:23):
Yeah, absolutely. Jessica and I have had a wonderful time. It was really great to preach here at the father’s house. Yeah. Just a few weeks ago. And then my wife has helped lead worship a couple of times. Yeah. And so this, this church is very special to us because my wife grew up in Warrenville Alberta, right outside Edmonton. Yeah. Small city, but she grew up here and this church has been her church for many, many years.

Pastor Greg Fraser (01:52):
Yeah. We love you guys. And so excited that you’re when you can make it back. It’s been three years since you’ve been able to come back with all that’s going on around the world. So it’s fantastic that you’re here right now.

Evangelist Daniel King (02:03):
Yeah. We really so much love and appreciate you guys so much. And this church has just loved us and supported us and just been a, a tremendous blessing helping us to, to preach the gospel. So let’s, let’s talk a little bit about this church. When my, my wife went to the school that the church has. Yeah. She’s a graduate of the school. And then she became a missionary and this church supported her and over time, the church dwindled down to it just had a few members. Yeah. And then you came. Yeah. And since you came, God has just done amazing things here. Kinda walk me through that process of what God has done here at the father’s house.

Pastor Greg Fraser (02:51):
Well, I mean, we’ve been here for 18 years now and it’s, you know, when we first came, there was, we were probably down to about nine kids, I think, in the Christian school and, you know, 25, 30 people in the church. And so they were kind of, Symbio staying the, the church was supporting the school, the school, the church, the only families that were left were the few families that were in the school. And we were pastoring in a church of about a thousand people in Northern Canada in a very economic hotspot of Canada and felt the call to come to this little tiny community. And it was quite a significant change for us because we were you know, kind of in a position to take over that church and to lead in, into its next season. But the Lord called us to this tiny community.

Pastor Greg Fraser (03:40):
And, and you know, when God’s on you and you, you just can’t push that away. And when we first came, I remember our first Sunday here, I just had this, you know, unction from the holy spirit. And I think we had that first Sunday, there was about 17 people in the service. And I said, this church will plant churches. And, you know, we just had this destiny, this thought, and really that’s where it all began. And, and quickly God began to, to bring growth and began to call people home to the father’s house. That’s kind of our, our tagline is help people find their way home to, to God and to a relationship with him and then to live as disciples who care. And so from there, the church just began to burgeon and grow. And we were meeting in a little strip mall and then we moved to the community center.

Pastor Greg Fraser (04:32):
And then we moved from there as we continued to grow into the local high school. And then we rented the local cultural center. And and then we just had this vision and dream of, of building a church and, and dis and desiring to see more and more people find their way home. I think our, our whole methodology of even evangelism is just authentically calling people back to the destiny and the purpose and the calling that God has for. And that you’re created in the image of God, you’re an image bearer, but that image has become marred by a thing called sin. And God has sent his son to restore us to restore that image, to bring us back into relationship with himself and ultimately to give us incredible purpose. I think that so many people are misguided in the purpose of their life.

Pastor Greg Fraser (05:22):
And so that’s kind of where our church leads people into is back into a relationship with God back into incredible purpose. And that purpose is really in learning to take dominion over ourselves so that we can better serve and love others rather than taking dominion over others. So they can better serve us, which I think is kind of the pattern of the world. And so in doing that, you know, we’ve become a real family. That’s our theology. That’s how we, we think in terms of relationship, this is the family of God, God you know, we’re members of that family. And really everyone outside of that family is being called into a relationship and an adoption into that family. So from that authentic kind of

Evangelist Daniel King (06:09):
Love

Pastor Greg Fraser (06:10):
For people and our community, we’ve seen many people come to know Christ and have planted a few churches and, and seen God just do great things.

Evangelist Daniel King (06:21):
Yeah. Let’s talk about reaching out to people here in the Canadian context, because Canada is different than the United States. It’s different than the ministry that we do in Africa. Talk to me a little bit about what you feel works here in the nation of Canada for, for reaching out to people. Often they know about God. They’ve had some exposure but there’s many people that are living far away from God. How can we reach them?

Pastor Greg Fraser (06:54):
Well again, number one is always to call people to the revelation that God is for them and not against them. I think that Canadians typically they’re not antagonistic toward God, but they really don’t understand the, the, what he wants to do in their life, how he wants to have that relationship and bring them back into really living with purpose for him and within his kingdom. And I think that’s probably the greatest way in which we in our context evangelize and see people come home to the father’s house is we’re. We have the distinct advantage because we’re in a, a community of about 10,000 people and we’re highly involved in the community. So we’re involved in the government side of it. We’re involved in social services, quite heavily. We’re involved in many of the things that happened within our community. So in terms of methodology, one of the things that we’ve just done is partnered with our community.

Pastor Greg Fraser (08:00):
And so when they are holding different festivals, we’ll say, where can we serve? You know whenever we have an election, one of the things we do is we bring all the candidates in and we say, you are God’s servants. We’re here to pray for you. And we’ve seen incredible fruit from that. Including, you know, mayors getting coming to know the Lord and, and different things. So just very much involved in the rhythm of the community and a vital member of the community. We’re not on the outside of the community, we’re in the community and really calling people to understand that God wants to be part of this. I remember speaking at a businessman’s luncheon and just saying, you know you know, businesses, God wants to bless you as businessmen. His, his desire is to prosper this community. You’re actually in the serving God, by being a businessman, you know, to give people a vision of God, wanting to work in their lives, in whatever they’re doing. So that’s been really how we’ve operated in a, in a big way.

Evangelist Daniel King (08:58):
One of the innovative ideas that the father’s house is using to be in the community is right in the middle of town. You have a coffee shop yeah. Called higher grounds. Right. And it’s run as a service to the community. Almost everyone in there is a volunteer serving. And, and why do you feel like that’s important to, to be there in the middle of the community?

Pastor Greg Fraser (09:24):
Well, I mean it’s just, again, because we’re, we’re in the community there we’re accepted that way very much. And all the proceeds from that coffee shop go back into the community. So one of the interesting things, and this is what I’m talking about when we’ve developed such a positive partnership with our, with our community, that during COVID the government paid us to feed families that were having trouble feeding you know, making ends meet. And so we got a large government grant through, for about two years that just helped us. They, we were the engine that was putting out food into various families throughout our community. So that kind of partnership is just incredible. You know, we’ve, we’ve through higher grounds. We, we have a large military base outside of Morville that we in Canada the month of November is remembrance day, which is a a solemn time of remembering those who gave their lives in the service of their country. And so we’d make a huge focus on our military families and our families that have men or women deployed and doing something special for them and that month. So those kind of things, teachers we celebrate our, our police force. We celebrate our firefighters. We do different things to just make sure that we’re serving within that community and taking care of physical needs of people as part of that. So it’s been a great, great ministry of our church.

Evangelist Daniel King (10:52):
Let’s talk a little bit about C because it has presented challenges for churches all over the world. Yeah. People on both sides of the issue come at the pastor and think the pastor should have all the answers and, and think the way that they think. And so how has the father’s house thrived through this season of, of great challenge?

Pastor Greg Fraser (11:16):
Well, I think number one and the largest narrative that because you have two camps, you know, you have the extreme, I’ll say you won’t even label it, but you know, this is a, this is everybody needs to comply and everybody needs to wear a masks and everybody needs to be vaccinated. And then you have the other camp. That’s like, this is all a smoke screen. It’s all terrible. And really, it’s been interesting as a pastor because I get pulled in both directions. Why aren’t you saying more about this? Why aren’t you saying more about that? What, the one thing that we have done throughout the entire season of COVID has been to say, we are focusing on one thing. We preach the kingdom of God. And, and so we have labored tirelessly to call both extreme camps to live within the kingdom of God, because the kingdom of God is not affected by things like COVID right.

Pastor Greg Fraser (12:15):
And what I mean by that is that we, you know, the desire of God is that we live within a community of faith. That loves one another, even though we are different, even though we may have totally different opinions the one, one constant that we can hold to is Christ and, and his call to, you know, they will know that you are my followers by your love for one another. That doesn’t mean that we agree on everything. And so calling the church to that place of you may totally disagree with your brother right now, but you still love him. And I think that’s been a huge success for us is that we’ve not gone in any one direction, but we’ve just stayed straighten in narrow down that road and said, we are gonna hold to the kingdom of God. There’s life there, there’s life abundant there. And this is what we hold to.

Evangelist Daniel King (13:02):
Let’s talk about the miracle of this church building that we’re sitting in, because I saw a picture of, of a huge church building, literally coming down the highway on a huge truck. And, and so it, it tell, tell me about that and the church on the move. Yeah,

Pastor Greg Fraser (13:23):
Well, a little bit of history is of course we’re, as we continued to grow, we, we were renting every space. I remember one time we rented eight spaces in a span of seven days to house the, the ministries of our church. And we said, Lord, we need a building. And you, a little bit of our history is we had a church building that we were renting that burnt to the ground. And we, we went through floods and fires and all kinds of things. And we were believing God for a new building. So we had purchased some land and we drew up some plans and felt the, the word of the Lord came to us to go into the land, to take our provisions and to go into the land. And what that meant for us at that time was we, we prepped the land.

Pastor Greg Fraser (14:09):
So we spent over a million dollars just doing dirt work and prepping the land and building up the land and getting our services in and all that stuff. And then we said, all, we, we were gonna build the foundation. We had a plan for a church and we were gonna, we had enough money to lay the foundation. We thought, no, let’s wait until we have enough. The, the total of the funds that we need little, did we know that the Lord had a, a totally different plan for us and long I’ll jump back for a moment ago. A friend of mine who’s very prophetic in nature came to us when we first moved here and he said, I just see, I see your church. I see the angel of the Lord picking up a church and moving it onto the highway, and that you’re gonna become a regional church.

Pastor Greg Fraser (14:52):
And this was his, every time he’d come, he’d say, I just keep seeing the angel of the Lord picking up a church, moving it to the highway. You’re gonna be a regional church. And we, we thought we, we didn’t understand, God bless those prophets. They always have interesting visions, you know, so we had no concept. We’re like, well, sure. Okay. And then all of a sudden, so we’re, we’re we prepped our land and we were nowhere near having the funds to be able to build the building we were gonna build. And there was a building in a neighboring city about 19 kilometers away. And, and the building was a church building and it had been the congregation sold that building to a developer. And it was just sitting there. My wife, we would drive by it and we go to this community probably twice a week.

Pastor Greg Fraser (15:37):
And my wife would say, you know, we gotta call them. Like, we should do something with that building like, well, I wonder what they’re gonna do with that building. And, you know, the man of faith that I am, I said, well, what are we gonna do? Move it like, you know, but my wife was unrelenting. She just had an unction from the Lord. Like we gotta call them something’s up. And then we were as a church family, we we’ve done multiple. I call them collective fasts where we’ll fast as the entire body for 40 days or 50 days, whatever. So we started a 52 day Nemiah fast. And so they rebuilt the walls in 52 days. So we said, collectively as a church, we’re gonna fast for 52 days as we were fasting. I finally relented to my wife, constantly pushing me as another woman in our church started to say, I really feel the Lord saying something about that building.

Pastor Greg Fraser (16:27):
So we phoned them and said, well, what are you doing with that building? The, and the, the owners at that time was a developer said, well, you can have it. You can have this building for a tax receipt. In Canada, we can do tax receipts on charitable donations. And so I took all of our contractors. So remember, we’re in a 52 day fast, nobody knows we’re doing this. I took the contractors from our church. I said, guys, what would it cost us to deconstruct this church and move it? And would it be worth doing? And so they started the math and they started doing all the processing and all the thing. And we figured we would save well over a million dollars by doing that process. And so that’s what we did at the end of the 52 day fast. We were able to announce to our congregation guys, we have a church.

Pastor Greg Fraser (17:17):
And so we began for the next year, that whole process, we deconstructed this church, cut it into four pieces. They weighed about a, oh, I don’t know it was 135,000 pounds a piece. We ended up moving them down the highway and across 18 farmers fields. We drove in the middle of the winter because the ground had to be frozen. And we drove these four pieces of this building. We put it on a foundation with a, a large basement as well, which then housed our Christian school and our church. And that was two years ago. And God has just done this incredible miracle of in the middle of the greatest downturn in the economy, in the middle of COVID. We built a multimillion dollar facility and God has just done an incredible work. And the church has been growing since

Evangelist Daniel King (18:08):
It’s a huge miracle. And, and we rejoice at what God has done. It. It’s a wonderful, beautiful church building now all over Canada in rural cities and villages, there are church buildings like this church building that used to be vibrant congregations, but now maybe they’re not being used. And God has actually given you a, a plan, an idea for reviving these churches. Tell me about that.

Pastor Greg Fraser (18:40):
Well, one of the things that we, we run a multi-site model and but we’re a little bit different of a multi-site model. I don’t, I don’t telecast to the multi sites. What I do is I train up younger leaders and they go, and they’ll, they’ll speak at those multi sites. And so our dream, my next now, you know, having during COVID nobody had 2020 vision in 2020 to see COVID coming. Really, if we were honest as pastors, but you know, now God is beginning to birth. Another dream, that dream back into getting ready to start planting more churches again. And so for us, it’s always been about discipleship. And so we raise up young leaders, they basically follow a week behind us in our messages, so I’ll preach, and then they’ll take that message and adapt it and go to the multisite and, and speak that.

Pastor Greg Fraser (19:29):
And then anyway, the whole process is quite powerful for us because we had three, two multisite going, and one of our multisite leaders got, had an aortic aneurysm. So we had to cover him for a year. Our other multisite leader was on maternity leave for a year. So we had to cover all three sites simultaneously, but because of our methodology of, I would speak on the main Sunday. And then the following week, the other multi sites would follow behind. We were able to manage it sending younger staff members and really training them to do that. So it’s been a great methodology. And our dream is to see more of these church buildings. We’ve been given completely given a church building already. And that’s, our dream is to go into these communities that have small churches or churches that are lying dormant or congregations that are saying we’re dying. We don’t know how to take the next step. Our desire is to go in and say, Hey, let us come in and partner with you. And let’s put little father’s houses all over Canada, Northern Canada. That’s kind of the dream.

Evangelist Daniel King (20:35):
Amen. Well, the dream shall shortly surely come to pass in Jesus name. Let’s finish by praying for Canada and praying for what God wants to do in this nation.

Pastor Greg Fraser (20:51):
Amen. You want me to pray? Go for it. Okay. So father, God, we just thank you that Lord, I just thank you for our national Anthem Lord that God, we stand on God for the, for Canada, Lord, I thank you that we pray in our national Anthem. God keep our land glorious and free. Holy spirit. I ask you to flood this nation, flood this nation with your presence, flood this nation with your power Lord, God, cause the revelation of Jesus Christ to flood this nation God, in our nation’s capital Lord, you you’ve en engraved that scripture on our parliament building God that the people perish for a lack of vision and Lord, we, we pray for the vision of God, the revelation of God, to flood Canada, that people would know that you are for them and not against them. Lord God that you love them. I pray that you would open the eyes of their heart tear. The veil that has kept it, them blinded to the revelation of Christ and made Jesus Christ have dominion from sea to sea and from the river to the ends of the earth in this nation in Jesus’ name. Amen.

Evangelist Daniel King (22:10):
Amen. Pastor Greg, thank you so much for being a guest on the evangelism podcast.

Pastor Greg Fraser (22:14):
Woohoo. It’s a blast. Thanks for having me, Daniel.

Evangelist Daniel King (22:17):
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Filipe Drumond | It’s Time for Revival in Canada

Filipe Drumond is from Brazil but he now lives in Canada. He is the founder of Last Harvest Evangelistic Association. He has a heart to lead people to Jesus in Canada and around the world. On today’s episode we talk about what it will take for revival to break out in Canada.

Website: http://www.lastharvest.ca/

Transcript: 

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (00:00):
Filipe Drumond is from Brazil, but he now lives in Canada. He is the founder of last harvest evangelistic association. He has a heart to lead people to Jesus in Canada and around the world. On today’s episode, we talk about what it will take for revival to break out in the nation of Canada.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:33):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (00:57):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I’m with a very special friend, Philip Drummond is a great Canadian evangelist. Welcome to the evangelism podcast.

Filipe Drumond (01:11):
Thank you so much, Daniel. It’s a real privilege and pleasure to be here.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (01:14):
And so right now you’re living in Canada, you’re from Calgary. But where are you from originally?

Filipe Drumond (01:21):
I was born in Brazil.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (01:23):
And tell me about what type of evangelism you’re doing

Filipe Drumond (01:27):
Well, <laugh> it, it really takes shape in, in so many forms. I’m invited to go as a, as a pro proclamation evangelist. I share the gospel with neighbors and friends, and so basically finding of any way possible to communicate the gospel. And there’s a lot of relationship in all of that.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (01:48):
And how did you first become interested in evangelism?

Filipe Drumond (01:51):
That’s a great question. It was really I think it was mostly through my parents’ example. You see the gospel was so practical. The church was so practical in the way I was raised. And my mother knew the power of prayer. My father loved scripture and he was a great storyteller and there were church planters. So we, we saw God saving, transforming lives. And Sunday school also played a huge part cuz even as I was very young, I wanted to see my neighbors, my cousins having an experience with Christ, a relationship with the Lord. And so I started inviting them to come in, to come to Sunday school. I think that was Sunday school was, was, was the foundation of it.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (02:31):
So how did you come from Brazil to Canada?

Filipe Drumond (02:34):
Great question. Well there’s two elements. I think we’ve lived in the us prior to that. And my parents also, my father received an invitation to pastor church in Toronto in Eastern Canada. And so that was those two motivations. I think they wanted to give us as well, another shot in north America, but there was this invitation. So early 2001, we moved from Brazil to Toronto.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (03:02):
And so you have your own ministry. You are a Canadian charity. Yes. And so people in Canada can give to you. And we actually have a Canadian ministry as well, king ministries, Canada, and I found that people in Canada are very generous towards evangelism. What, what’s the name of your ministry?

Filipe Drumond (03:24):
So it’s called last harvest evangelistic association. Our website is last harvest.ca.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (03:33):
And tell me about what you see God doing in the nation at Canada. I know living in Calgary, you have a, a heart for Canada. I always like to say all of Canada for Jesus. What, what do you see God doing in the, the American neighbor to the north

Filipe Drumond (03:52):
<Laugh>? Well, you know, I think there’s so much changing, happening, happening around us in so many levels, our notion of ministry. I think it’s changing the role of a minister. I think it’s changing the role of the church placed in a particular community. I think it’s also being challenged and changing. So to be honest, I think it’s, it’s, it’s hard for, to, to say, well, this is really where things are going, but for me as an event, just it’s really exciting because especially after the pandemic or as we’re still kind of going through this is that, that everything has been put to test. So church goers are asking fundamental questions. Like, what is the church really? What, what is this that I’ve been part of for the last 10, 15, 20 years? Or what does it really mean to follow Christ or what is the gospel message?

Filipe Drumond (04:40):
I, I, I, I went through loss. I saw family members dying through during the pandemic and, and I wasn’t ready to go through all of this. So what does it really mean to follow Christ? So these fundamental questions opens this huge door for discipleship, for inquiry and people to go desiring, to go deeper, to know more and also with, for non-believers. I think there’s a, there’s a greater, let’s say softness and desire to understand more about life purpose, meaning why am I am I in this earth, so to speak? So I am finding amazing opportunities for the gospel.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (05:18):
Now you’re you’re from Canada, but you also travel to other nations. What are some of the things you’ve been seeing God do in other nations?

Filipe Drumond (05:26):
Well, I just came back from the upper belt of Nigeria. And today I think Nigeria, there’s such a systematic massacre really, of, of Christians in Northern Nigeria, especially in the Northwest and Kauna state. And a lot of the students that I’m working with in evangelists that I’m working with there brings, they bring so many stories of what is going on the persecution. However, in the same place, you see a church that is so fervent in prayer. And so many followers of Christ who are really fervent and sold out to the gospel despite persecution. So that’s one thing. Another country that I was recently last March was Ethiopia. And what I sensed as, as I prayed and prepared to go into Ethiopia in my heart, but also confirmed with local leaders in Ethiopia is that leaders in Ethiopia are find they, they realize that they have a window of opportunity to reach the nation, to plant churches, to mobilize believers, to disciple, to equip, identify evangelists.

Filipe Drumond (06:30):
And there is this huge sense of urgency because they don’t know for how long. So these are the most recent places I’ve been. Now. I’m also leaving in a couple of days on July now to Brazil, which is a nation in Alaska. It’s almost like they, we in Brazil, we’ve, we’ve had a a hundred year revival almost considering the rate of, in which the church is growing, but there seems to be most recently this new fire and passion, especially in the hearts of young people, for missions. And and they realize now that they have a global voice to social media and content production and all of that. So there’s so much to say about Brazil, but those are the three recent nations that I’m in touch with

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (07:14):
Years ago, God spoke to me and said, Daniel, the mission field shall become a mission force. Yes. And I think we’re seeing that in many different nations around the world, like Brazil, where they are on fire for God, historically missionaries went to Brazil, they went to south America, they went to Africa. But now what we’re seeing is that the, the global south is where Christianity is on fire. People are excited about serving God. I mean, when you go to a Brazilian church, often they are singing songs, they’re dancing. They are, they, they don’t just do a 45 minute service. The service can go for several hours sometimes just because people are excited about God. And, and I love that passion and excitement in Brazil, but I, I really like what you said about how they’re starting to think about missions in Brazil. And so now God is sending people like you like your family other people from Africa and other parts of the world, back to these nations that have historically been mission sending countries.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (08:25):
And so when you think about Canada over the years, Canada has sent missionaries all over the world. They’ve been a great missionary sending nation, but there’s so many people in Canada right now that need Jesus. Yes, there is a need for revival. And so now and Canada is very welcoming to people coming from other nations people who, who want to come there’s there’s work for them to do. There’s a way for them to come in that in many ways, they’re way more welcoming even than the United States is. And, and, and people want to immigrate to Canada because there is a good life there. But what I think we’re going to see is that, and what I really hope God does is that people that are on fire for God come to Canada and, and will join hands with the churches that are there to now take Jesus yes. To Canada. Absolutely because God loves Canada.

Filipe Drumond (09:21):
Yeah, absolutely. I think, again, I, I think, you know, Canada is, is a very different country, government culture. The, the identity of the church in a certain way is very different from what we see here in, in the United States. And there is this subculture within the Christian world, I would say in Canada, where there are, there are miracles happening in so many people coming to Christ within the Persian community Iranians and African community and Asian community within the Chinese community the, the north north north Indian community people from Gujarat or Punjab. And this is really, really amazing. I think what I think for the, for the for the, the, the main church in Canada we need to catch up when it comes to working with these ethnic groups. And we have a large number of these people in those communities. So it’s very exciting. It’s a mission field. Canada is a mission field. So if you’re planning to plan a church, if you’re an evangelist, if you have a burden to reach the world, you can go to Canada and, and one day you can, you, you can meet you with so many cultures and lead so many people to Christ.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (10:36):
Yeah. God is bringing the mission field here to us. So tell me about Calgary. Are there people from lots of different countries in Calgary now?

Filipe Drumond (10:45):
There is there, there, there certainly is. I think some people say that Calgary is the most Americanized city in in, in Canada, but yet it’s a, it’s a, we have the largest mosque, one of the largest mosques in the in, in the Western hemisphere that certainly the largest in Canada in Calgary, you have over five or six gures, which are the Sikh temples anyways huge Ethiopian community and so on. So there’s people from all over the world in Calgary. And the cool thing about the culture in Calgary, it’s a very entrepreneurial mentality in that city. So what I’m trying to say is someone who wants to go and start something either in the, in, in the marketplace or to plant the church or house church movement evangelism personally, I think the harvest is ripe. The time is now, the Lord is ready. Not only in Calgary, but in Canada and throughout the United States.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (11:43):
Well, I am so thankful that for the heart that the Canadian people have for the world, I actually met my wife when she was working for a Canadian evangelist and, and my wife is Canadian. She grew up in Warrenville right outside Edmonton. It’s just a little tiny suburb there. And, and so she came from this little tiny Canadian town. And from there, she has now traveled around the world. She spent almost 10 years on the mission field. She was two years in India, a year in Nepal, and you’re in Papa, new Guinea a year in Kenya. And then she started working for this Canadian evangelist. And that’s when I met her. And so she we got married and we actually got married in Canada right near Niagara falls and, and St. Catherine’s. And now my wife is Canadian. Both of our kids are Canadian and I’m American, but my kids say it’s okay, dad. No, one’s perfect.

Filipe Drumond (12:48):
<Laugh> Daniel. I’m so excited about, about what you’re doing about your family and also the heart that you have for Canada, for the nation. Not only that, I mean, but you also understand culture. And for me, living in Canada as a Canadian resilient Canadian meeting you in, in these evangelistic events, or as to a, from one evangelist to another evangelist, it brings me so much comfort that I don’t have to explain you too much. You get it, you understand the culture. And I think this is one of the great assets that you give is because again, for those who are for, for perhaps in the us who want to do ministry in Canada, you would know how to navigate those waters. So I thank God for your experience in your life.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (13:30):
Let’s just take a moment right now to, to pray for the nation of Canada and pray that that God would do something new and, and that there would be revival in Canada. Would, would you lead us in prayer?

Filipe Drumond (13:41):
Absolutely. you know, just as we’re, we’re thinking we’re we’re, as you you’re mentioning prayer, it takes me to the book of Ezekiel, where the Lord said, you know, I’ve looked for a man who would stand in the gap before me on behalf of the people. So I pray that this podcast would reach the minds and hearts of people who are listening, that they would feel a call to Canada, your father. We thank you so much for the power of the gospel, for your presence in your, in our lives and father that even though we are made of clay, but yet there is so much power in the gospel and you are present, and the harvest is ripe Lord, that you would open our eyes, that you would give us more faith or father, and that we would come together with greater expectation to work together, but make the use of all opportunities.

Filipe Drumond (14:30):
We can to proclaim the gospel, to announce the good news of Jesus Christ father. I pray for the nation of Canada and for the churches and pastors and the churchgoers Christians in Canada, father, that you would bring revival. We historically, we have never had a nationwide nationwide revival. So father, I pray that you would bring revival father. I pray for this young generation who is longing for you, who is longing for purpose and father. I pray in the name of Jesus that you would give us such a breakthrough in the nation of Canada and father that we would have once again, a fire, a passion to reach our own and to reach the globe with the good news of Jesus Christ father. Our desire is that the name of Jesus would be lifted up that you would receive all the glory and honor, and father, for those who are listening right now, that you would stir up their hearts for the nation of Canada, that they would be moved to pray for Canada, to know more about Canada, to visit Canada, and to find ways to collaborate, cooperate, invest in the proclamation of the gospel in that nation father.

Filipe Drumond (15:42):
We pray, and we are thankful in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (15:47):
Amen. I say yes. And amen to that prayer. Powerful. Well, Philip Felipe Philip, the evangelist in the Bible was the only one in the whole Bible who specifically called an evangelist. So Felipe is a great name for an evangelist, Philip, the evangelist. If someone wants to invite you to come speak at their church in Canada, or they want to support your ministry, or, or maybe from another country, they wanna invite you to come and, and, and minister, how can they find out more information about you? Well,

Filipe Drumond (16:19):
Perhaps one of the ways is through social media. My name Felipe F I L I P E my last name Drummond, D R U M O N D. On Instagram, Felipe underscore Drummond. And you’ll find me on Facebook, but again, you can go to our website last harvest dot CA or contact evangelist, Daniel, and he will direct you.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (16:45):
Awesome. Well, Philly, thank you so much for being on the evangelism podcast. I love what you’re doing and I, I love your heart for, for Canada and for the rest of the world. God

Filipe Drumond (16:55):
Bless you. Thank you. God bless you and all your listeners. And I hope to be back again sometime soon.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (17:01):
We’ll hang out in Canada, one of these days, so,

Filipe Drumond (17:03):
Oh, let’s do that. You’ll be wonderful in Edmonton or in Calgary.

Daniel King – Evangelism Coach (17:07):
Bless you. Thanks so much for listening today. I am excited about telling people about Jesus. And I want to invite you to be a part of helping us to rescue people from hell and take them with us to heaven. There’s two things you can do to help. First of all, can you go find the evangelism podcast on apple iTunes and leave us a positive review by giving a review, you will help other people find these valuable resources about sharing our faith. And second, would you become a financial partner with king ministries? Every single dollar that people give us enables us to lead at least one person to Jesus. And so that means for only $1, you can help start a party in heaven. And so today I want to invite you to become a monthly partner. You can start out for just a dollar, but if God puts it on your heart to do more, of course you can do more, but please go to king ministries.com and become a monthly partner with us today to help us to lead more people to Jesus. Thank you so much. And God bless you

Evangelism Podcast Host (18:27):
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Travis Holownia | A Resurgence of God in Canada

Travis Holownia is the leader of Resurgence, a powerful ministry that is impacting Canada and nations around the world. On today’s podcast you are going to hear his heart for bringing revival to the nation of Canada.

Connect with Resurgence Today: https://liveresurgence.com/ 

Transcript: 

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Travis Holownia is the leader of Resurgence, a powerful ministry that is impacting Canada and nations around the world. On today’s podcast, you are going to hear about his heart for bringing revival to the nation of Canada. J

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:23):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their power, powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:52):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest, Travis Holownia, my good friend from the Edmonton Canada area. So thank you so much for being on the podcast.

Travis Holownia (01:07):
Yeah. Good to be here, Daniel, appreciate getting to know you the last few years and excited to just be with you all today.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:13):
So let’s talk about Canada. What is God doing in the nation of Canada right now?

Travis Holownia (01:19):
God is moving, you know I think like so many nations, this has not been an easy time. There’s been lockdowns and lots of this unity. I think, you know, we were seeing such unity and the enemy has used COVID to bring this unity, but I, I think God is at work. He is moving. There is redemption happening. People are finding G Jesus submits this, and I think it’s a reshuffling of priorities. And I believe that Canada will be saved that there is a great mission field. And it’s from the far north to the Arctic, from east to the west, to the south. And I’m excited what God is doing. It’s easy to look at what God, the tough stuff. I think we can all look at the tough stuff, but there’s also some really good stories that would go is doing.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (02:04):
So the name of your ministry is resurgence. Yeah. Tell me what is resurgence and how did you get started doing this?

Travis Holownia (02:13):
Yeah, so, you know, God just birthed this. The name means a rising again, renewal restoration revival that rising and, you know, in 2008 I was stirred. I was back up a little bit. I was an engineer working for an oil company and I, and I felt God’s voice. I didn’t know if it was God, if it was the pizza eight the night before, if it was the devil, you know, sometimes it’s hard to know what God’s voice sounds like. And I felt his voice saying to quit my job and go full-time in ministry. And so I did that handed in the company, truck, handed that all in, I, I went and served. They say, you know, when you don’t know what God’s doing, go serve someone else’s dream. And so I served a guy’s dream to do the largest youth conference in our nation.

Travis Holownia (02:53):
16,000 kids a year were gathering. I think a YC did that for eight years. We did them internationally. And during that season, God birthed this idea. I was reading books, a revival books of how Charles Price came to my city in 1923. And people were so hungry for God that they would break the window just to get in. And I thought, man, that’s not my city, young adults are leaving the church. The churches are, are dying. People are falling away from God. My friends aren’t having an encounter with holy spirit. They’re, they’re going to church, but they’re not really connecting with that personal encounter. And so I said, what, what could we do something? And I felt, God birthed this name, resurgence never heard of it before. It was just this. Like, what do we call it? And this worder I’m like, what does that mean?

Travis Holownia (03:36):
I had to look it up. And so we gathered, we had three nights of meetings and we said, expect miracles, experience revival expect freedom. And people came, this lady came, she got healed. Leukemia people came. And we, so we did three nights. Again, we weren’t starting a ministry. We were just, it was like a side thing. It was like, Hey, what can we do? Because I believe God wants to move. And we rented this theater. And we did that. And then we start moving it from church to church. And that’s where we saw such momentum and unity with so many denominations Baptist Alliance, Anglican, all these even non charismatic Pentecostal denominations saying, Hey, we’re hungry for more. We want to have an authentic counter. And from that, we started to raise up people to reach souls reach people for Jesus, to, to release leaders.

Travis Holownia (04:22):
And how do we revive the church? We’re not a church. So how do we raise the water level up of many churches to see more people win one for Jesus. And so that’s, that’s the heart of it. And you know, my story actually started years ago and, and I, and I speak to evangelists that are listening today. You never know the, the seeds plant and in 1930, my grandparents immigrated to Canada from Poland. They were new of God, but they didn’t have a personal relationship. They ended up in a small town in Alberta, in Canada, they were farming. They had to pick all the rocks off the land and clear the trees and then they would get the land for free and so hard working sick kids. My grandmother got really ill at age of 40 was sent on a train to Edmonton, was going to die.

Travis Holownia (05:07):
The priest was called for the last rights and said that, you know, it’s over. And my grandfather was outside one day and a neighbor said, you know, there’s an evangelist at the Pentecostal church and he’s praying for people. You should go. My grandfather goes, well, my, my wife can’t go too sick. Well, you go. So he went and the guy prayed for my grandmother. And when he got home, my grandmother was sitting up in her bed, brushing her daughter’s hair, completely healed. And that’s at 40 years old, she lived till she was 97 and died of old age, not of any sickness and because of that, the whole family came to Jesus. And so that’s why I’m here today. Cuz an evangelist came to a small town and that’s why I do what I do because you know, there’s people that have not heard the name of Jesus that need a miracle that need a touch like, like my grandmother that can impact generations.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (05:55):
Let’s talk about the future. What is your vision for revival in the nation of Canada? I, my wife, Jessica is from Canada. She lived in Morville small city, right outside of Edmonton. And so every summer we go up to Canada and I preach in different church is across Canada. And, and I know there’s so many believers in Canada that are crying out to God for revival that are, that have a hunger and a desire to, to see more of God. And, and when you watch the news, you, you say, yes God is needed in the nation of Canada. What, what do you think will happen in the future? What does God want to do? Bringing revival to Canada?

Travis Holownia (06:39):
I do think unity is key. I think when we have unity, God will give us survival. I think there’s a key of us working together. I think denominational borders and lines and all of that as we’re being in one church is coming together in an incredible way. I believe prayer is rising in our nation in this season of hard. It, that there is such a prayer movement. And I also believe that Canada has such a call. There’s been so many prophetic words that Canada will be healing leaves to the nations. There’s a call for the nations. And I feel like if, if I, as a leader, I, as an evangelist, just have the vision of Canada, I might miss the global impact. And the more I pray for the more I find stirred for the nations, it’s, it’s this interesting thing. And I, and I fight it going well. I need to, you know, Canada will be saved and, and I believe that, but I also believe there’s such a call for Canada to raise up evangelists and people to bring healing to nations. And so I believe that’s part of our future

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:35):
In Canada has a, a rich heritage of having an impact on the nations. As I travel around the world, I, I meet many Canadian missionaries that are, have given their lives for the sake of the gospel. Just last week, you and I both had the opportunity to participate in the launch of the global evangelist Alliance. And so I was in a studio in Orlando, Florida when Nathan Morris and you were in a stadium over in Amsterdam with the team over there. Yeah. And together we launched this worldwide vision for the, the global evangelist Alliance under the ministry of Empowered21. Yeah. Led by Billy Wilson, the, the president of, Oral Roberts University. And really the, the purpose of this organization is to call evangelists together and to raise up a new generation of evangelists. In the past you had great evangelists like, Oral Roberts, Billy Graham, TL, Osborn, Reinhard Bonnke and they saw God do tremendous things. But now we’re saying this is a new era of evangelism, a new time where, where God wants to, to raise up the, the evangelistic gift in the church. Do, do you see evangelists and people with a heart for evangelism being raised up in Canada? Yeah.

Travis Holownia (08:58):
I believe that I believe that’s our, you know, there’s so many different movements and things that are, that are stirring to go, how do we raise the harvesters up because there’s gonna be a harvest. And I see churches that are shifting their focus from themselves to their community in a, an incredible away where we’ve seen decline in churches. We’ve seen a revitalization of churches that are going, Hey, we’ve been 80 years here and we’re not reaching anyone. And and so I believe it’s, you know, God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and a friend of mine said it this way. You know, he’s not saying he’s the God of three people. He’s the God of legacy. He’s the God of generation,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:35):
The generational God from, from one generation to the next generation.

Travis Holownia (09:38):
And so how do we raise up? And, and, you know, it’s been an honor to serve on that together with you and what God’s doing. But my heart for is how do we release leaders? Like if our ministries, if Daniel Kingman for surgeons, if it’s just about us at the end of the day, our impact will be short. But if we can raise a generat, our ability to raise up sons and daughters that are gonna reach a generation and I’ll never reach, you’ll never reach in places. And, and that will never even thought were possible. Then I think that’s what God’s called us to do. And so that’s why I put my time in. I know that’s why you put your heart into it because Hey, there’s resources out there. There’s the school that we’ve put out on, on video and all that, because why, because we care about another generation because we can’t reach the harvest of ourselves.

Travis Holownia (10:24):
There’s too many people by 2033 is the vision that everyone had had authentic counter with Jesus. That’s pretty impossible for my ministry. I know that’s impossible for you, but if we have thousands of people that say yes to it, and, and so I think it’s bringing people and saying, Hey, God has a call for you finding those people, calling them forth. And so I want to invest my time. I flew to Amsterdam to be part of you flew to Orlando. Why? Because yeah, we can reach a few, but we need a lot more people to be reaching a few

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:52):
And together we can accomplish something much greater than if we work separate. Totally. I think this is a time where, where God is calling ministries to partner together to work together. Because often if you’re off alone all by yourself you, you get lonely. Yeah. And, and it’s very difficult to have really significant impact. Yeah. But by working together, I think we really can impact the entire world in our generation. Yeah. And, and often God gives ministers like a, a life message or, or a something that, that most burns on their heart that they keep returning to over and over again in your life. What is the message that God has put in your heart that you, you find yourself preaching over and over again?

Travis Holownia (11:40):
I think there’s two. I think there’s a rising again, that idea that God has called. There’s an anointing to rise in everything he’s called us to do to fulfill that purpose. Not by might not by power, but by the spirit of God, but also to do it with knowing our identity. When I know who’s, I am, I can understand who I am. And I think as an evangelist, those, those listening, watching I think it’s so important to have that heart posture, cuz it’s so easy to strive and try to perform. And our identity become what we do, not who we are and we’re human beings, not human doings. And it’s something so key. And sometimes we’re like, we gotta conquer the world. Well, he’s got the whole world in his hands. We believe that he’s gonna build the church, our job’s to go and be good pointers to him, but I can’t save someone.

Travis Holownia (12:25):
I can’t heal someone. I can’t deliver someone he can. And my job’s to point really well. And, but I also have to know that I’m a son that I’m loved. Doesn’t matter if I’ve reached one or I’ve reached the millions. I’m still, it’s still the same place I am with him. And I think that’s so key in what we do because like you said, it can be lonely. And I think that’s why GE that’s why empower 21. That’s why any group that we’re part of is so important to run together and, and be together and be vulnerable with people like can actually call you on things and say, Hey, who’s in your life. And so if you’re an evangelist, you’re watching find, find some people to run with, find some people that can speak in your life, find some people that can actually call you on the stuff that you’re doing. Right. And the stuff that you need to maybe not do right. To do

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:09):
That. If someone wants to invite you to come minister at their church or, or they wanna find out more about out resurgence. Yeah. What’s your website. How can they find you?

Travis Holownia (13:17):
Live resurgence, L I V E R E S U R G E M C e.com. And

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (13:23):
I’d encourage you to, to reach out to, to Travis and, and, and hear his heart for the nations. Let’s finish by praying for the nation of Canada. You know I’ve been praying for Canada. My, my wife is Canadian. Both of my kids have Canadian passports, I’m American. And so I feel a little bit left out, but still we are praying for Canada and, and we actually have a ministry in Canada, king ministries, Canada. And because of that, we, we are asking God to, to send revival the churches in, in Canada in that many places that, where the church has gotten weak or, or, or died down, that they would see flames of revival. Yeah. So let’s just pray for God to impact the nation of Canada and to, to raise up a new generation of young people to have an impact. Would, would you lead us in a prayer? Yeah.

Travis Holownia (14:15):
You know, we one of the verses that Canada has founded on is Psalm 72. Well, he shall have dominion from sea to sea, to the rivers, to the ends of the earth. And as you said that, I just think of that. That’s what I’m gonna pray that he shall have dominion. And so God, we thank you today for this opportunity. God, we thank you for the nation of Canada. And we declare today, we decree today, God, a move over your spirit in the nation, from the rivers to the ends of the earth, God, from east to the west, from the south to the north, that you would have dominion as our nation was founded on the word of God, God, we call it back to its vision, without vision, the people perish. And I call my nation back to its vision, that it should have dominion, that he shall have dominion.

Travis Holownia (14:56):
And I thank you for that verse without vision that people parish it’s written on our parliament buildings. I thank you for a shift today in our nation, whether it seems dark and bleak and impossible. I thank you. We serve a God that all things are possible, not by my, not by power, but by the spirit. And we declare a rising again of your spirit in the nation of Canada. I thank you for the ministries, the churches, and we just speak. Lord, would you increase the work? Would you increase the harvester harvesters? Would you, would you call forth more missionaries and more evangelists in our nation? I thank you for what you’re doing worldwide. I thank you for those. Listen and watching today, wherever they are. I pray that you would bless them, that you would equip them, that your holy spirit would come and fall on everyone listening to this podcast today, I pray healing in hearts, healing in bodies, and I pray such a fresh passion for evangelism to arise in every single person in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Thank you such an honor to be with you. Daniel Love what you’re doing. You’re doing keep doing what you’re doing. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
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Speaker 2 (16:58):
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Canada

Jessica King was born in Canada and she is a Canadian citizen. She is the president of King Ministries Canada. Every year we minister in multiple Canadian churches.

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PO Box 3401
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In the year before we took a team to La Loche, almost fifty people committed suicide over the course of one year (averaging almost one per week). In the video, you can see how we prayed against the spirit of suicide in La Loche. One year after our visit we received a miracle report that not one person had committed suicide that year! Jesus made a big difference in this community!

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