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Brad Sullivan | Developing a Vision for Your Church

Pastor Brad Sullivan leads Surge Church in Mobile, Alabama. He is a third-generation preacher and he has a heart for reaching his community and the world. In today’s episode you will learn about the power of having a vision.

Brad Sullivan’s Website: https://bradsullivan.org/

Surge Church: http://surgechurch.tv/


Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:00):
Brad Sullivan leads Surge church in Mobile, Alabama. He is a third generation preacher, and he has a heart for reaching his community and the world. In today’s episode, you will learn about the power of having a vision for your church.

Evangelism Podcast Host (00:28):
Welcome to the evangelism podcast with Dr. Daniel King, where Daniel interviews, full-time evangelists, pastors, missionaries, and normal everyday Christians to discover how they share their faith, their powerful testimonies, and amazing stories that will inspire you to reach people with the good news. And now here’s your host, missionary and evangelist Daniel King.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (00:53):
Welcome to the Evangelism Podcast. I’m Daniel King, and I’m excited about telling people about Jesus today. I have a very special guest pastor Brad Sullivan from Surge church in Mobile, Alabama. Thank you for being with me today,

Pastor Brad Sullivan (01:07):
Daniel, what a joy it is to be with you. God bless you, man.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:10):
And I so much appreciate you and Surge church. Your church has been supporting me for the last several years. Few years ago, you invited me to come down and, and speak. And ever since you’ve been very faithful in helping us go to different nations around the world and, and preach the gospel. So thank you for sewing seeds into evangelism. Oh,

Pastor Brad Sullivan (01:32):
It’s our pleasure. You’re doing a great job. You’re a great asset to the kingdom of God and your heart, your spirit you’re anointing, we just feel is worth sewing into, and we’re just excited to be a part of the harvest that God is using you to to reap in these last days.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (01:49):
Your church really believes in reaching out to the community around where you are in, in Mobile, Alabama. Tell me a little bit about the, the philosophy of your church towards soul winning and leading people to Jesus and, and reaching out to the community.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (02:07):
Well, you know our church, we are in an area of west mobile. It’s called the Daws community. It’s about, it’s a bedroom suburban area of mobile, and it’s like two miles outside the city limits. And so we have just over the years, labored a lot in the community. And so we’ve become like a community hub. We we’re blessed to have the acreage, so that helps we have a 20 acre campus. And so, man, my goodness, I don’t, I don’t know where to start. Daniel spent so many years we’ve been laboring in the community, but we started a business network from the local businesses years ago, as in 2011, as a community started really growing more people were moving out west businesses were popping up and one day I just had this, this idea came to me to start a business network.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (02:54):
And we started that. Then we started the dolls community’s Christmas parade and that’s been going now for, in 2012. So I mean, it’s almost 10 years now and it brings out thousands of people. We stage it on the grounds of the church. We’ve worked with the schools our churches of voting center. We have ball fields, baseball fields where local teams and little league teams will use it for practice. We’ve become almost you know, our main auditorium has become an event center for so many like different ceremonies and events. It’s just been, I don’t know because of that though, it’s giving us a lot of influence and it’s given me as a pastor way more influence than I would have just preaching every Sunday inside the walls of the church.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (03:43):
Now you’re actually a third generation preacher and the church was started by your father, a great man of God at Jerry pastor, Jerry Sullivan. And then a few years ago, he started to pass the church over to you. And now your father has gone on to heaven. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, but you are continuing the church. But in that process of taking over the church, you, you took the old name, which, what was the old name of the church. It was

Pastor Brad Sullivan (04:12):
Living word church,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (04:13):
Living word church. And, and you switched it over to surge church. Talk to me about that process of rebranding it, why you decided to call it surge church and what type of impact that’s had.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (04:26):
Yeah, well, I took over the church in 2015. I was born and raised raised in the church and traveled, you know, I’ve been traveling in ministry, doing a lot of missions, work myself over the years, but when I became the pastor of the church I, I about even though I grew up in the church and I was established ministry by the time my dad turned it over to me, I was already preaching more than he was anyway. But I just being the pastor, I, I, I waited a few years and a couple years I was just establishing myself as a lead pastor. And then about two years in the Lord began to deal with me about what is this church gonna be in the future? You know, this is what it has been, but what’s it going to be?

Pastor Brad Sullivan (05:07):
What is the vision gonna look like? And so it was about a two year journey, Daniel of just praying, seeking God, writing vision, mission, and values. Because we, we actually didn’t set out to change the name of the church, cuz a lot of times what happens and if there’s any pastors watching, this will be great information. What happens is they’ll fill the need to make a change. And what they’ll do is just change the name of the church, but it’s really the same church. Just put a and just put a new name on it, but what you have to do you want, if you’re gonna change the name of an organization or a business it needs to be born out of the vision, not just slapping a new name on it. It’s gotta be born out of where you’re going. And so we really sought God long time for vision and mission and what our values would be as a church.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (05:51):
And then we read acts 2 42 through 47 hundreds of times during that timeframe about the culture of that first church after Pentecost. And it was something about their life together that we were just like kept focusing on it was their life together. The Bible says, and one night in a dream, the Lord just woke me up and it was like, so clearly their life together created a life beyond limits. And I just sat up in bed. I was like live beyond limits. That’s it. So once we had the it was a arduous two years of just praying and seeking and writing and rewriting vision. Once we came to that live beyond limits, then the very last thing we did was actually choose a name and we kept coming to surge because surge means a rapid increase forward to try to find one word that would encapsulate the phrase live beyond limits.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (06:38):
And I, I would just say though, for any minister pastor or even a business person, I’d be watching, you know, you have to change, you have to adapt and culture, doesn’t ask permission to change. It just changes. And we sometimes are resistant to change, but look, we don’t change. The Bible tells us, Paul said to hold fast to the traditions of your faith. He didn’t say hold fast to the traditions of how you express it. And we have to stay relevant. And relevance is simply the, you know, the permission to speak to the culture. And so our goal was to like, let’s pick a name, let’s have a, let’s simplify the name. You know, we live through the air of Christian centers and outreach centers and all these different fads and all these, you know, really long names. Everything

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:23):
Has like 12 initials.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (07:25):
Exactly. You know,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (07:26):
And no one knows what it is.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (07:27):
If your church name will not fit on the side of your church van, you might want to consider <laugh>. But anyway, it’s a bad joke. But our, our goal was let’s come up with a name that when Christians ride by, they’re gonna know it’s a church, but when the unchurch drive by, they’re gonna be like, Sege, what is that? And so that was really the essence of it. And so once we did that, then that’s allowed us to now begin to start working on reshaping the culture of the church to fit the, the new era. Well, we still have the DNA of who we were from when my dad founded it. But you know, as the leader now, the next season had to be born outta my spirit. And so that’s what, you know, that’s where surge church was born.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (08:12):
And I love how you’re describing the process of building the vision. It wasn’t something quick that happened. It’s over a period of time. So talk to me about some of the elements of your vision and then how that drives the, the ministry that the church does.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (08:29):
Well, it’s all based upon that phrase, living beyond limits, it’s encouraging people that you can have a surge. It’s funny, Daniel it’s like once we I, I took me a while to, to, to land on surge because we were, we were researching words that would, you know, kind of encapsulate live beyond limits. Surge just kept popping up because it means a rapid increase forward. Well, my wife loved it immediately. It took me some months, but I just wanted to have a witness because, you know, when you’re changing the name of something and my dad at the time was still on staff with us and he was fully behind what we were doing, but you only got one shot to make it right. It can be a hu big, it can blow up in your face. So I wanted it to be a God thing, not just a, a theme we were doing.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (09:09):
And but we didn’t know that it was gonna be a surge of C <laugh> and a surge surge became a buzzword for all the wrong reasons, you know, but it really is just based upon that live beyond limits to tell people, you know, your life can change. It doesn’t have to stay the same. You can break through to another level. You can experience a surge of God’s power and grace in your life. And so, you know, when we re re just kind of established a vision statement, we try to repeat our vision in as much as we can. And I would’ve really encouraged leaders. Don’t, don’t apologize for repeating your vision over and over whether or not.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (09:44):
So what’s your vision?

Pastor Brad Sullivan (09:46):
Well, our vision is the whole statement. I should be able to give that to you about heart, but I did notice you have surge church website up in your web browser. If we go to that and you’re putting me on the spot here but our, we envision a church that is changing lives through the message and power of Jesus Christ and making disciples to live beyond limits something along those lines, look at it. How close was I? We envisioned a church that’s changing lives to the message of power of Jesus Christ and mobilizing. I missed that one believers to empire our community and the world by living life beyond their limits. So I, I was really close. And so

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (10:23):
You have to repeat the vision over and over again until people even in the church say, ah, pastor, we’re tired of hearing it so much, but you just keep repeating it and, and drawing pictures of it and, and communicating.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (10:37):
Yeah, I think pictures are really huge after we a couple of a few months after we, we, and we made it a big deal. I mean, we went, we swung for the fence when we rebranded and, and did the launch, we kind of kept it a secret. We kept promoting something big’s coming. So we already had the legal, all the legal things done in the background. It wasn’t just like doing business as living word church. It was, it was changed legally. It was the, actually the, the, we, we trademarked the name and the logo and the icon. I mean, we did, we did all of our bases covered before we launched. Cuz what happens is a lot of times you see it in churches, they have nightmare scenarios where they I know one going around the mountain to your question, but this is just good information because what happens is in some cases, men will, pastors will change the name of their church and then there’ll be some type of trademark issue or whatever.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (11:28):
And then they have to go back and change it again. And so we made sure we had every T cross, every I dotted, I would really encourage people for you thinking about changing your business name or your church name to make sure you have all the legal things done before you announce it. So we went really big, but shortly thereafter though, Daniel, we came, we came up with a picture and we took our past and it showed our church back in the old days, our present where we are now, and then just a picture of this auditorium with huge screens and everything, our future. And just the, and it’s just for the point of showing people that, you know what, we’re, we’re gonna surge. We’re gonna keep moving forward and everything. We thank God for our past. We appreciate our present by, Hey, we’re, we’re not gonna say satisfied.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (12:10):
We’re gonna keep moving forward towards our future. And you know, when Abraham was struggling with his vision, what did God tell him to do? He said, look up and count the stars. And if you can number them, so will your descendants be? And so one of the things that we try to tell our people and I tell leaders this a lot when it comes to vision is that, Hey God, when God speaks, he doesn’t just use words, pictures come out of his mouth as well, because he understands the value of a picture because picture conveys a vision. You know, when Joseph dreamed of rulership, he saw a picture of it. And so if you don’t get a picture of your, of your future, your present might be permanent. And so we tell our church, look, that’s not, we’re not satisfied with that. We want, we want to do more, be more, make a more impact, reach more people. So we’re not gonna be just sit here and be satisfied with where we are.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (12:59):
I believe that every pastor should do at least one mission trip every year, just to see what God is doing in different countries around the world, just to get a feel for the, the amazing thing that God is doing overseas. And also that helps to, to season their preach and giving them some good stories to share and casting out demons. And, and, and I know that you have a heart permiss missions and you’ve done a lot of traveling to different parts of the world. Where are some of the places that you’ve done out outreaches

Pastor Brad Sullivan (13:29):
To? Well, I mean, I’ve traveled ex I’ve been to India nine times, Philippines, eight times. I’ve been in Africa four, five times. I’ve been to Europe Singapore, Hong Kong, central America, south America. So I’ve been on five of the seven continents. And I think too, for a pastor, one of the things that’s so valuable to get outside of your world is because what happens is we grow up in certain cultural, a Christian cultural context. And I, I, one day several years ago I was preaching Daniel in Singapore at a spirit filled Filipino Anglican church. It was like, go figure. And it’s

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (14:16):
The amazing thing is God works the same in every culture.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (14:19):
Exactly spirit filled Filipino Anglican church in Singapore. And you just sit back and think, you know, who would’ve, I would’ve never even thought it that exists, but it just goes to show you that the church is huge. It comes in all shapes and sizes and colors. Jesus is the head of the church and he has an amazing way of weaving this tapestry of diversity into the global unified body of Christ. And I think that’s so valuable for a pastor because you’re talking about vision and leading your church forward. You know, the church is so big. It’s bigger than what you, you may know, it’s bigger than what you’re used to. It’s bigger than what you, his maybe culturally have seen church as. And you know what, you can grow, you learn from it, you grow from it and it’s, it’s, it expands you. And if the leader isn’t expanded, then he’s not gonna be able to bring, you know, visionary thinking to his congregation.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (15:18):
Being a pastor right now is extremely difficult. The world has just gone through C, which had lots of challenges. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> there are lots of disagreements politically, and then you have economic challenges and there there’s so many demands and, and, and pools on a pastor. What advice would you give to other pastors to stay strong and to, and continue in their calling in the midst of what really is, is a very difficult task.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (15:52):
We have the saying in our church, Daniel, that we repeat so much, actually I repeat it more than the vision statement or, or our vision because it’s just a great reminder. It’s very simple, but it is very profound and it’s almost becoming ingrained in our congregation’s mentality. And we’ve actually just recently put it on the sticker form for people to take, but it’s wake up, be faithful and go to bed. And if you’ll just,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (16:17):
If you just do that for 40 or 50 years, you’ll make it. If you’ll

Pastor Brad Sullivan (16:21):
Just get up and be faithful, now you can get up and be faithful just to be stuck in your routines. But if you’ll be faithful to do what God’s told you to do, and every season, you know, you’re gonna look back and find out, you’ve come a long way. You know Noah had to build an arc for a long time, but he finished, you know, Charles Spurgeon once said by perseverance, the snails made it to the arc. You know, it’s kind of a funny Quip of, of conveying a powerful principle, but I would say, you know, just stay, stay fateful, stay the course, and, but be willing to adapt and to change. The fact is, again, things change, culture changes. You can sit here and say, well, what people ought to be doing, or you can find ways to go adapt so that you can reach people where they are.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (17:06):
You know, you can even fight it and lose, or you can, again, you’re not compromising your message or beliefs. You’re just showing an adaptability. COVID forced everybody to adapt. And so after we, after we changed our church over to surge and look here, we are about two and a half years in as surge. We’re still building what surge is going to be trying to reshape a culture around that, that whole thing. But a few months after that, I told some of our team members one day before a service and a team huddle, I said, look, guys, we made change our name again to CCC with constantly changing church. And I only said that as a, just as a joke, but serious joke to put in their minds that you know what, we’re not gonna be blessed. God, <laugh>, we shall not be moved from the you know, we we’re gonna change whatever needs to be changed.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (17:56):
And this is where I would encourage any leader, whether you’re a business leader or pastor or whatever, if you’re leading anything that is be married to your vision, do not be married to your strategies. You know, what, what happens to churches when they get stuck in this? Like going back into the eighties when it’s 20, 22 is because for so long, they’ve been married to their strategy. How we do it, bless God, this is how we’re gonna do it. But what that shows is you’re not married to your vision. You’re married to your strategy of how you do something. But when that strategy no longer works, you have to be willing to divorce it and get a new strategy. You never divorce your vision. You marry your vision, but you need to divorce strategies and be, get rid of things. If it doesn’t work, get rid of it.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (18:42):
You know? And, and be honest with people like that way. Sometimes I think pastors flight, they have egg on their face. They’re like, Hey, we’re gonna try this if, but don’t work, don’t work. You know, that way you’re up front. And it shows people, it gives people confidence in you that, Hey, you’re willing to blaze the new trails. You’re willing to push forward. You’re willing to try new things and they’ll, they’ll buy in with you and they’ll support it. And I think that’s powerful and just making tweaks and, and making improvements, solve, finding ways that you can improve even down to the way your building looks, find a little thing. That’s just, it might be something small, but every so often they come in, they see something different. I think it’s important. You know, Walmart, I don’t know if you know this, but Walmart changes the shade of blue in their buildings and stuff, you know, in their logo every so many years.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (19:26):
And it’s so subtle that you wouldn’t even be like, oh wait, it’s a different blue. It’s just a subconscious. It just shows you that they’re changing. They’re adapting. They’re, they’re willing to tweak anything right down to, we’re gonna tweak the color blue. You know what I’m saying? And I think as pastor, sometimes because we, we, we hold fast to our, our doctrine sound doctrine and, and, and the word of God, but we don’t have to express it the same way all the time. You know, we can find new ways to express it, new ways to get it out, just like you’re doing with technology.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (19:59):
And we’re looking to reach a new generation. So we use whatever tools and ideas that communicate the best with a new generation.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (20:08):
Absolutely. Absolutely. And pull your kids in on it. You know, I think that’s important. You know, my, when we were rebranding the surge, my kids were young. They’re 16 and 11 now, but they were a little younger then they kept it a secret, you know, <laugh>, I was shocked. They were able to keep it a secret until we had the big reveal one Sunday, but I, I had them pulled in on the logo designs, what colors, you know, us making them a part of it because you know, kids today are much more brand conscious because they’re on Instagram, they’re own TikTok. They, and so they’re really brand conscious down to how things look, how things are supposed to look what looks good, what doesn’t look good. And so I would get their opinions. Even at that younger, like 13 years old, I was getting my son’s opinion.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (20:54):
You know, what, what do you think of this? You know, because very brand conscious. And so, Hey, you know, there’s a business side to church, right? And so I think branding is important. And when you have a brand, you, you, you really promote that brand. But then we have to I think what we try to communicate, well, our team is that there’s a brand, then there’s a brand experience. That is what people, when, when they may come to your church because they see a brand, right. But when they come, they need to have, what, what is the brand experience you’re gonna have? And the brand experience will either create brand loyalty or they’ll, you know? So it’s kinda like when Amazon came out back in the day, no one knew what Amazon was. They thought it was like the, the Amazon river in south America. Right. But when people started liking Amazon later, they put that smile in their logo. What they, that was, they were, they were, they were conveying a brand experience that people were having. And and that created brand loyalty. And so I know that doesn’t sound spiritual and churchy, but it’s practical. And I think in a post COVID world, it’s important to think like that so that, yeah,

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (22:04):
I think every church should look at everything they’re doing in through the eyes of a new visitor, rather than someone who’s already been there forever. They already know where to park. They already know where to take their kids to nursery. They already know what sit their seat. They’re gonna sit in, but a new visitor may not know where the restroom is. So you need to put up a sign so that they can find the restroom and find the nursery. And, and if a church can think through that and create, like you’re saying the brand experience, that they feel comfortable all the way through

Pastor Brad Sullivan (22:37):
That’s right. And that’s kind of a business way of saying, saying it, but it’s just the truth. I mean, this is how businesses think. And I know Walmart takes a lot of hits from people, you know, there’s jokes about Walmart, but Walmart’s pretty, if you look at ’em, they’re very impressive. Our local Walmart right down the street from our church had me come a few years ago. I think it was like 2018 when they launched the new online story. And I, and I, I gave a talk in a debt prayer of dedication for the first day of the grand opening, but I was just kind of seeing the process, seeing their plans. I was blown away. And it showed me that, that you know, Walmart was not going to let Amazon get the best of them. They were staying ahead of the curve. They’re like, all right, if Amazon’s delivering, we’re gonna deliver. Now, you can’t even rent a minivan or a 15 passenger van anywhere because Walmart, Amazon have ’em all rent <laugh>, but it just showed me, Walmart was willing to be on the cutting edge and change and adapt where other businesses weren’t, you know, it was like, who would’ve thought that Kodak would’ve ever ceased to exist, but Instagram put ’em out of business, you know, or, you know

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (23:42):
Yeah, I think I read that Kodak had the opportunity to be, have one of the first digital cameras and decided not to, because they thought it will hurt our business. If we allow digital pictures. And now everybody takes digital pictures and Kodak is nowhere to be found. That’s

Pastor Brad Sullivan (24:00):
Right. And, you know, look at blockbuster, remember back in the day, you, you had to be kind and rewind. You had a 50 cent charge. If you didn’t rewind your VHS, but I mean, Netflix on streaming and you know what it, when, when, when society change, when culture change and the church refuses to change, church is shut down and there’s a lot of churches that are shutting down. And so you have to be like, Hey, this is God’s ministry. And we got to adapt. We gotta learn. We gotta grow. We gotta do better. And we’ve gotta be forward thinking. And, you know, a pastor has to think, you know, you know, a decade down the road, you know, all the, you asked me earlier about influence and things that we’re doing. We’re about to launch a food ministry outreach in our, in our, in, through our church that we actually are hoping to grow it, to become something that can be mobile. It can move around our community. We could set up and do few distributions and prayer tents and things like that for, to reach people and to help people. But you know, I have been laboring in the community outside of, you know, just,

Pastor Brad Sullivan (25:12):
Just, even in a civic way for so long that I, I, I really started heavy in 2011. And then when I started the Christmas and it sounds crazy a Christmas parade, but man, that parade has been so successful, brings out so many thousands of people it’s given me so much influence. And, but it’s been years of doing this and it wasn’t, I didn’t do it in a way that, you know, cuz sometimes preachers are famous for trying to wor get people into their church. I just did it for the love of community. I didn’t do it in any way to, to try to, to use it as a tool of gaining people in our church. We, we, but it was just sewing and sewing and sewing into the community. Now I’m reaping the influence of it. I mean, politicians line up to try to get into our church when it’s election season, you know, I mean, it’s just, it’s been really remarkable to see how the influence is just in the last year and a half, just really blossomed across the city really. But it’s just been those years of sewing and, and for, for a pastor, he has to think long term like that a 10 year strategy or a, you know, what’s he anyway.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (26:14):
Yeah. You don’t wanna do something that makes the whole community mad at you. You wanna reach out, even if people don’t agree with you, reach out and be serve the community, be a blessing

Pastor Brad Sullivan (26:24):
That’s right. And if you just love them and win ’em with win them with kindness and generosity and serve <affirmative> they’ll, it’ll prove for them that you’re legit and that you’re genuine and that you’re doing it for the good of everyone, not just, Hey, been a community, prosperous, a church prosperous. And I just think that there, you know, and I even had a word from a pastor a few years ago, said that the Lord’s saying that he’s gonna give you influence with politicians. And I’m like, okay. I mean, it’s happening, you know, and I don’t even know what the end game of that is. It’s just, you know, but there’s still value for a pastor. You know, back in the day, a church was the cornerstone of its community. It was the meeting place. It was the community center. The pastor was respected.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (27:10):
His voice meant something. And that’s been taken away in society today. And if we can find unique ways to get that back, there’s still something to have an influence with politicians, to have an influence in the community, to be a voice and a figure in your community as a pastor, that’s a big deal in today’s world. And you just have to find a unique way in our community. We are outside the city limits just outside. So we could build that in that suburban area. Other people, you meant to find a different way of doing it, but there’s ways of, of getting your influence in the, in the community that just preaching every Sunday to, to the same people is not gonna, is not going to acquire that kind of influence.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (27:53):
Well, I really appreciate your insight. Absolutely tremendous. And if you wanna find out more information about pastor Brad Sullivan or invite him to come speak at your church, go check out surge church.tv, and you can find out more information about him and, and I just so much appreciate you and your church. Again, thank you for supporting king ministries and helping us to go to different nations around the world. You guys are much appreciated and thank

Pastor Brad Sullivan (28:20):
You. Thank you, Daniel. And whenever we, we announce in church, you know, when we talk about the, the different ministries we do it regularly, the missions outreaches that we support. I mean, almost every time when we mention Daniel King ministries, applause breaks out because people see what you’re doing and we appreciate it and we love you. And I would, I’m also available for leadership talk. So if anybody would be interested in talking about these things and talking through these things for churches, and I would be glad to glad to do that.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:49):
Awesome. Thank you for being on the evangelism podcast.

Pastor Brad Sullivan (28:52):
You Daniel, God bless you.

Evangelism Coach Daniel King (28:53):
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